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"Death Panels, Subsidies and Surveillance" (Thursday October 16, 2025, Hour 4) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Quick for you from Joe Thomas. It's first thing today.
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  Speaker 2: George said, steal me stem you have a day at.
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  Speaker 1: Least for work when the sun comes up, drops.
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  Speaker 3: A cut to school on the way.
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  Speaker 4: Joe has everything, a Janda, all the treasure needs.
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  Speaker 5: No one that Joe's allis smiled.
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  Speaker 3: He only eggs.
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  Speaker 6: Let me be, you know, Joe, We're all human, aren't.
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  Speaker 7: I want to be Joe.
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  Speaker 6: And I say that not to make an excuse for something,
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  but I bless you for being on the receiving end
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  of the program this morning, and you interact with it.
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  You're part of it. You're the most local part of
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  your radio station, is you. Nobody ever tells you that
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  you don't hear those promotional announcements number one with you
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  most local listeners, whatever, But you are the most important
• 1:01
  local part of your radio station, whether they tell you
• 1:05
  they are that you are or not. That's why I
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  want to hear how the news is impacting youse? Where
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  you are at four three four eight eight two four
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  to two one seven question text in if an ordinary citizen,
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  a legal American citizen, sad world that we have to
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  add that don'tly lies before Congress and the Senate. It's
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  a crime, a federal crime. But when a senator, a
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  congressman lies to the American citizen, they get away with it,
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  no repercussions. Yep, yep. That's pretty much the way it rolls, Joel.
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  And the reason that is is sometimes you need to
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  be This is the gas lighting I talk about. You
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  need to be lied to. You can't handle the truth.
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  They tell you. What they mean when they say that is, uh, you,
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  you wouldn't be nice to us once you found out
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  the truth. That's what they mean when they say you
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  can't handle the truth, is that the truth is going
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  to make us look really, really bad, and we can't
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  take that because democracy, ah, democracy, that's just the bane
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  of all of our existences, like like some chemical, for example,
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  a cinnaminafin. I'm sure at some point the derivative of
• 2:29
  tree bark that it begins as is perfectly fine. You
• 2:34
  get the tree bark, you drind, grind it up, medicine
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  man grinds it up. Smoke in peace pipe, take some
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  of the ground up tree bark pain, go away back
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  to casino with you, pale face. But as time goes
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  on and the derivatives and everything else, and in its
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  isolated form, it's got you know, pain relieving important. Well,
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  were you even talking to a dentist the other day
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  about fentanyl. Fentanyl is actually a dental pain killer, not
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  just a team killer. But democracy, like so many of
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  these things, when abused, when misused, it becomes poisonous, it
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  becomes deadly. And that's what's happened in the world is
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  we we've become the victims of democracy because democracy is
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  mob rule. Democracy isn't the defense of the minority voice,
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  mob rule being you know, the the sum total of
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  what democracy gives is the opportunity for the guy who's
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  got the most guys to rule, which wasn't what this
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  country was based on. We were going to use democratic principles.
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  So they have to lie to you so that you
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  will line up and give them your vote, so that
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  then they can go about their business of making friends
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  of theirs wealthy and profitable, sometimes even through a money
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  laundering scheme like the subsidies that we see going through Obamacare.
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  Time for our first things so that we know what
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  we're talking about this morning. Shutdown is back in the
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  news now that all the dust is settled from peace
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  in the Middle East, but that was three days ago. Joe,
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  come on, we don't want to talk about peace in
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  the Middle East. We've got a shutdown to talk about.
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  John Thune is looking to bring the Democrats to the
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  playground over a year long peddagon funding bill, full year
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  funding bill for the pentic on the military, coming to
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  the floor of the US Senate today to try to
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  force Chuck Schumer at al to get to it. One
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  of those senators that Thune hopes to force onto the
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  dance floor and dance with the one that brings him
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  is Tim Kaine, who says that it's about the Obamacare
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  subsidies and guarantees.
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  Speaker 8: People's healthcare premiums don't spike dramatically, which they are set
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  to do by year end in Virginia and elsewhere. And second,
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  we just want an agreement from the President that a
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  deal is a deal, If we shake hands on a deal,
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  that this is going to be government funding, you won't
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  unilaterally cancel it next week.
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  Speaker 6: Meanwhile, the folks at you Gov, at the request of
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  the Economist magazine, did a poll to see who's to
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  blame in the eyes of the American citizen for the shutdown.
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  The gap is narrowing it had been quite a large
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  number of the respondents blamed Republicans. Umber is closing as
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  thirty nine percent of the survey said it's the Republicans fault,
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  and thirty three percent blame Democrats in Congress. If you
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  do a math equation there, you find that there's still
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  twenty eight percent that's not in the poll. They haven't
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  Speaker 1: From the home of the First Amendment. First thing today.
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  Speaker 6: I remember when the reason they have to pit us
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  at four three four eight eight two four two one seven.
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  Morning Bruce. Thanks for hanging on the line. What's on
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  your mind, sir.
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  Speaker 7: Well, we've been talking a lot about Obamacare and the
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  it's not thank you. If I recall the night before
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  Obamacare went into effect, Obama was on the TV and
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  he said we all have Obamacare, and he gave the impression,
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  all go, all time, even the President, his family, vice President, Congress,
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  and everybody else was going to be Obamacare. Then he
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  went out there and said, I am going to exclude myself,
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  the vice president, Congress, and the Supreme Court from being Obamacare.
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  this is a bunch of.
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  Speaker 6: What's going on. Well, and now we see it. I
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  mean I tried to warn and I think you were
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  around at the time, and we were warning that it
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  seemed like this insurance scam was designed to crash this system,
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  not fix the system. Hang on the line, we'll get
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  right to you there. And so, Bruce, do you remember that.
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  I mean, we were warning people in twenty ten that
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  this whole thing was going to at some point crash
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  the private health system and leave us no choice but
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  to go with a public option. Government takes over the hospitals,
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  government takes over the clinics, and then they can guarantee
• 15:29
  healthcare for everybody.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll be lousely healthcare, but they guarantee it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but they don't. This is the thing that they
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  convince us that the words don't mean what we think
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  the words mean. And this is why it's dangerous. There's
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  so many lawyers out there, and bless them if you
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  need a defense lawyer. I have a few good names,
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  but a lot of these folks they write these rules.
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  They write these laws so that they can go, Wow,
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  we didn't say you were going to have healthcare. We
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  said we are going to have health care insurance. We
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  didn't say that your copey was going to be eight
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  thousand dollars out of pocket before we gave you, you know,
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  one red cent. We never said any of that. And
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  that's really the insurance company anyway. And I listened to
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  a guy, it might have been Dershoids bringing up the
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  fact that the government's rhetoric on healthcare and insurance could
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  lead to a conspiracy case against the guy who killed
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  the US Healthcare CEO, because you know, at some point
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  the politicians have to be held accountable for the you know,
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  they call it sloppy language, but I think it's intentionally
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  deceiving and intentionally yeah, because they tell you something that
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  thinks that you sound like, oh, well this is one
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  hundred percent organic. Well, so's my poop. My poop is
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  one hundred percent organic, but that doesn't mean I'm going
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  to feed it to you. But they say these words
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  we imagine means something that they don't, and we need
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  to really clamp down on these people for that. I
• 17:09
  don't know. I call it malpractice. I'm sure you have
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  a harsher phrase for.
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  Speaker 7: It, but I can't say it on the air.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we appreciate that, Bruce, Thank you, sir, God bless
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  bye bye. Let me get to line too here. Good morning,
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  you're on the air with Joe Thomas. First thing this morning.
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  Who's this?
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  Speaker 20: Hi?
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  Speaker 6: This is Ray? Good morning Ray. How are you doing, sir?
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  Speaker 20: I'm doing just fine. And it just it just occurred
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  to me, just off the off the off the cuff,
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  that remember that death panels are still healthcare. Yeah, of course.
• 17:43
  But what I was what I was calling about. Really,
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  I'm wondering if we've maybe been a little bit unfair
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  to mister Riggleman. We think of him as having very
• 17:55
  flexible opinions and principles and changes them more often than
• 18:02
  he changes his underwear. Probably, but that's probably not true.
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  What we made the mistake of thinking and I did,
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  I certainly I voted with a scum was that he
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  was a conservative Republican and he's not. He's a bureaucrat.
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  He is he believes in government. That's his party, that's
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  his principles, it's his church, it's his fundamentals. And once
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  you understand that, then he's been faithful to it all
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  the way through, extremely faithful to it. And it just
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  reminded me that the people who work in Washington, and
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  this includes members of the military like him, the ones
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  who fly desks tend to be members of this party.
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  The ones who go out and get and actually shoulder
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  a rifle or fight to defend our border.
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  Speaker 6: Take incoming, you take.
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  Speaker 20: Incoming, they're different. They tend not to be parties members
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  of the government party so much. Yeah, in my experience.
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  Speaker 6: Well, because they see it, they see it that they
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  see the bureaucracy. I mean, what's the expression catch twenty
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  two output?
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  Speaker 20: They see the outputs, Yeah, fighting.
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  Speaker 6: Because they're calling it. They call the Pentagon looking for
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  supplies or backup or whatever, and they get a bureaucrat
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  like you mentioned, these these these Washington types on the
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  phone saying well, you know, fill out the form. You
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  like you didn't check that mark on the on the
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  form the requisition that you sent six months ago. That's
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  why you don't have the the the gasoline for your
• 19:51
  jeeps anymore.
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  Speaker 16: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: And and that's the catch twenty two. That's what you know,
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  what made Joseph Heller's book so specific is that the
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  military had already had expressions for this stuff. I mean,
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  it was a catch twenty two. You had to ask first.
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  But if you asked first, then you know, you had
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  to know first. And therefore, if you knew first, then
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  you weren't allowed to ask first. And all these things
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  that they built in so that you wouldn't be able
• 20:18
  to get what they didn't want to.
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  Speaker 20: Give you exactly. And the other thing to remember, of course,
• 20:24
  is that for a bureaucrat, regardless of what where he is,
• 20:29
  whether he's in the DA or whatever, scattered throughout Washington
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  and the government and the provinces and the like, we're
• 20:39
  not states anymore, we're provinces. But the primary concern is
• 20:48
  the main maintenance and enhancement of the organization of the
• 20:52
  bureaucracy and the government for which.
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  Speaker 6: It stands, right, and it's an entity, it's become a
• 20:59
  life forms. It's behavior on January sixth is just another
• 21:03
  example of a life formed fighting for its own survival.
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  Speaker 20: Absolutely, And when you consider the fact that of all
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  the riots that went through that wonderful period they're leading
• 21:18
  up to January sixth, the January sixth riot was probably
• 21:22
  the least destructive.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean, I mean it was tragedy. There
• 21:27
  were tragedies, but I mean you look at the burning
• 21:30
  in Milwaukee and Chicago and Richmond and places like that. Yeah,
• 21:34
  Portland exactly, property destruction, maybe not the deaths associated with
• 21:41
  January sixth, but certainly mostly.
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  Speaker 20: It's probably the first insurrection where people came unarmed.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: That's true, although completely armed except for the FBI agents
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  that were in the crowd they I think that's different.
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  am doctor Mitch. Since most chronic diseases have inflammation, our
• 24:18
  optimized curcumin seems to be a perfect addition to any
• 24:22
  nutritional program. It makes sense to me that preventing or
• 24:26
  reducing inflammation is a key component to our overall health.
• 24:31
  The Mayo Clinic found that kurcumin can decrease swelling and inflammation,
• 24:36
  has antioxidant properties, and research suggests that kurcumin can prevent
• 24:42
  cancer or at least slow the spread of cancer, and
• 24:46
  in many instances, make chemotherapy more effective. It protects our
• 24:51
  healthy cells even from radiation. Total wellness dot com where
• 24:56
  we help you to look good, feel good, and enjoy
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  Speaker 6: That's the sovereignation or just opposing state. You better look out.
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  Speaker 1: People worn gets too late.
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  Speaker 6: I was thinking about what Ray called in about UH,
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  the Obamacare, the admission of Tim Kaine about the Obamacare
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  subsidies that we've been playing for you, that this is
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  what the Democrats hang up is about. UH, the government shutdown.
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  Speaker 8: People's healthcare premium s don't spike dramatically, which they are
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  set to do by year end. And Virginia now.
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  Speaker 6: Because these and in these subsidies don't even go back
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  to the origination of the Affordable Care Act. These came
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  along during COVID, when all of a sudden, all those
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  insurance companies that thought it was all fun in games
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  when the government mandated that we go buy policies from
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  them and that they would launder some of our tax
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  money into subsidizing those purchases, said.
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  Speaker 18: Whoa, whoa, WOA.
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  Speaker 6: All these people showing up here with whatever this bug is.
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  We don't want to pay all these premiums out. So
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  they had to come up with ways. And there is
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  a huge division of every insurance company that goes through
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  the laws of their insurance company to make sure there
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  are as many ways possible for them to say no
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  some of it. And just like Hopfer has said, fraud
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  protection because people do defraud insurance companies. So the idea
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  of protecting an insurance company from fraud start arts is
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  a good idea, becomes a business and then devolves into
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  a racket. So now I would argue that I know
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  some insurance companies where the departments that are in charge
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  of big call them the saying no departments are larger
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  than the other departments of the insurance company, all dedicated
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  to find ways to say no. So the insurance companies
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  before we can figure out a way to say no
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  to this stuff, can you help us out? So we
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  had subsidies for our healthcare insurance because they were like,
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  people are claiming six seven visits to the doctor in
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  one year, we're going to drive up their premiums over this.
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  And then along with that, today is this revelation, this
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  expose of a lot of stuff we knew, we just
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  it's attached to it. Adam Kinsinger and Denver Wrigglemann and
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  the folks and the stuff that Wriggleman gleefully bragged about
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  in his twenty twenty two book. But then couple what
• 31:12
  he bragged about with what Kinsinger admits, and this is
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  where John Solomon should be the head of the FBI.
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  I'm sorry, because Adam Kinsinger goes on a braggadocious rant
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  yet earlier in the week about all the stuff he
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  turned over to the FBI from January sixth, and then
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  you couple that with what Wriggleman bragged about in his book,
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  and you're like, hold it. That means he had the
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  subpoenas for them, because Wriggleman brags in the book that
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  he told Kinsinger what to write subpoenas for and where,
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  and then then Kinsinger is bragging about You ask any
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  law enforcement professional, the stupidity of any criminal is unfortunately
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  the largest percentage of ways law enforcement closes cases. I mean,
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  sometimes great law enforcement, like when they caught Jesse Matthew Junior,
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  because you know, a great brave woman defended herself and
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  was able to get away from him. But his DNA
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  was on record for having sexually assaulted her, and then
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  they were able to match it on the DNA found
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  on Morgan Harrington and Hannah Graham and Bota Bing. We
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  got a mass murderer working as an orderly at the hospital.
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  I mean, never mind the controversy. We just find out
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  about the hospital and their reco case that's being filed
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  against the University of Virginia Health System. That's much more
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  of a local thing, though it hits you guys in Houston.
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  Are we on in Beaumont yet? I know we are
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  supposed to be going on in Beaumont, Texas. You know,
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  the shelf, you're like, hold on a second, here, you're
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  getting conservatives to hate the government. The government that we
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  the poppy, and now we've fallen asleep in the field.
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  And the existence of the government is there to protect
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  the existence of the government more than it is there
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  to protect the existence of our rights. So we need
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  to be very pedantic about how we approach fixing this,
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  because just crumpling up the government and tossing it out
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  isn't the right answer. As a matter of fact. James Hankins,
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  the Harvard professor, I played a clip of my interview
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  for the slavery that was going on in it and
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  some of the bad warts on it. Do you think
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  it's intentional, Professor.
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  Speaker 21: Well, it comes out of the Vietnam generation, which developed
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  a hatred of the US government, and then they also
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  decided that the Western tradition was as an invention of
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  I think that it's a longstanding opposition to the US
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  At first, it was just denigrating American history and the
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  and then if we don't teach it, then no one's
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  there to say, well, this is wrong. The West is
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  not the only civilization that had slavery. They all had slavery.
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  Muslim slavery is much worse than Western slavery. It's not
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  the case that you know, we are a colonialist founders
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  Speaker 17: You met?
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  Speaker 6: Look at people born gets too, you know, And I
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. This is the clip we played.
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  Speaker 21: It's it's it's a longstanding opposition.
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  Speaker 6: To Yeah, we we played this clip already. I wanted
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  the clip where we talked about uh specifically, you know
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  uh the important uh you know an important part of
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  this that to secure uh these rights.
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  Speaker 21: Yeah, well the US has always been more future oriented
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  than other societies, and I think that's good. Innovation is good, Uh,
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  but innovation always has to be balanced with with tradition.
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  But you don't know what you're doing.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 21: There are all these tech people now who are talking
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  So this is kind of a it's fat even among
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  tech the founders, but the actually don't know very much
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  about the West. For them, it's all about capitalism to speech,
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  which is fine, but there's older traditions of virtue and
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  civilized conduct which we need to preserve. Also the purpose
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  of a civilization is to civilize. When civilizing people is necessary,
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  you can teach anything from morals to etiquette, but we
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  need to have common moral criteria too, common moral stories
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  and narratives that find us together. Otherwise, you know, there's
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  just nothing at all that people have in common. They
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  Speaker 6: Is fight, Professor. There's some famous and apocryphal to a degree,
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  but I think it speaks volumes. This is the part
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  I wanted. This is the part that is the question
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  you jumped ahead too far. Atoms responded, this is a
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  wonderful document for a moral nation. And and the reminder
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  being that you know, you can't be self governing unless
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  you can be well self governing. And and that is
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  one of the trappings of Western civilization as well, whether
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  it's what you call the jude or Christian ethic, the
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  one of those threads that runs through what we call
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  Western civilization. Perhaps just all civilizations have it, just we
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  we have this particular type. Am I wrong?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 21: We all civilizations need to have a certain humility and
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  gratitude towards the past, or they don't have any grounds
• 47:54
  for preserving it. You have to understand that there are
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  people in tradition of great, great achievements that need to
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  be uh copied. They need to be examples for us
• 48:06
  in modern times. But if you think that nothing could
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  ever happened in the past, you won't have any models
• 48:13
  for behavior. The future has no models of behavior that
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  we can we can we can, we can imitate and value.
• 48:23
  I do think that stability requires knowledge of the tradition
• 48:30
  and uh respect for tradition. There has to be some people,
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  some stories, events, common experience that people accept as good
• 48:42
  as things that can structure our structure. Are are our
• 48:47
  common life together. They have to understand, you know, what
• 48:50
  is a republic? Everyone talks about democracy today. Democracy is
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  a great aspiration for civilizations, equality under law and freedom
• 49:02
  of religion and of speech. But we are actually formally
• 49:11
  speaking in republic and there are reasons why the why
• 49:15
  our constitution is set up the way it is. But
• 49:18
  whether you're going to understand that without any study of
• 49:21
  history is to me doubtful. I'm not sure I'm answering
• 49:26
  your question because there was an earlier part of your
• 49:31
  question started with something I thought was interesting. I'd like
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  to respond to another famous quote that they use, which
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  was the most corrupt republic has the most laws.
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  Speaker 6: The moment did not.
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  Speaker 21: Have that many laws because they they could rely on
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  the virtue of their magistrates and all sorts of constraining traditions.
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  I think we had something like one hundred and fifty
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  thousand laws in the United States, the Romans at about thirty.
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  And that that shows you in a way that they
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  rely relies much more on the on the magistrates and
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  traditions and uh and uh, and the willingness of people
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  to abide by the laws, and of course the heavy
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  punishments that also came if you broke the laws. Anyway.
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  But we seem to think that when we have a
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  social problem, you have to do is pass a law
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  and it will resolved. But I don't think that's the case. Yeah,
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  well that I'm reading a book right now, Josiah Osgood.
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  It's about it's called Lawless Republic, and one of the
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  themes of the book is that the lawless the Romans
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  was what one thing, a major cause of the fall
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  of the republic. So and what happens is that people
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  at a certain point don't have any respect for the law.
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  The law is constantly being used for purposes. You end
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  up with people just having this, you know, and we've
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  seen the judiciary is losing its reputation with all of
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  these district court judges keep popping up and trying to
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  control the country, and they keep getting you know, the
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  Supreme Court has to play whack them all with.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely right. James Hankins Golden threat.
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  Speaker 21: Another famous quote quote that they use, which was the
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  most corrupt republic has the most laws.
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  Speaker 6: I love that line and and hold on to that
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  one because that's that's what we see, is that that
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  lawlessness that has come from an overabundance of laws. I
• 51:45
  could just write a law that helps me get around
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  the other laws. We were talking about that earlier with
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  the Congress not being held accountable for their actions.
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  Speaker 21: These systems don't work on their own. They're not like
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  a machine to turn on and will automatically give you
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  good government. You need to have good governors as well
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  as good government. You need people in charge who have
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  a respect for tradition and respect for religion, respect for
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  the past and the achievements of our civilizations. They have
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  to have that. They have to be good people who
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  are in our tradition a good person to someone who
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  combines the nationality of the Greeks and the devotion to
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  law of the Romans with Christian values. That's what the
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  Western tradition is, a combination of Greece, Rome and Christianity
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