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- 0:00I'm Holly Wehmint, and this is Pediatrics Now, cases, updates,
- 0:05and discussions for the busy pediatric practitioner.
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- 0:18Today, I'm thrilled because joining me here on Pediatrics Now is Dr.
- 0:24Karen Bluth. Dr. Bluth, you're an associate professor emerita,
- 0:29University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and the author of Self-Compassion
- 0:34Workbook for Teens, The Self-Compassionate Teen, Mindfulness and Self-Compassion for Teen ADHD,
- 0:42Self-Compassion for Girls, A Guide for Parents, Teachers and Coaches,
- 0:46Mindful Self-Compassion for Teens in Schools.
- 0:50All of these topics I know our listeners have patience where it's just and a
- 0:57lot of us who have teenage kids myself included I'm just kind of blown away
- 1:01like oh I want my daughter to know all of this I want to read all of this you've
- 1:08been doing this for 50 years.
- 1:10What do you want pediatric practitioners to know, first of all?
- 1:15What's the most important thing in that exam room?
- 1:18Yeah, I think the most important thing, well, actually, first,
- 1:22I'd like to say that thank you for having me, Holly.
- 1:25I'm happy to be here and happy to talk about this subject that's so important
- 1:30to me and that I've spent so much of my life learning about and learning with teens.
- 1:35So what I really want clinicians to know is that their clients,
- 1:41these teens, do not have to struggle as much with things like anxiety,
- 1:47depression, and stress as they do.
- 1:49That there is a way out, that there are solutions for teens to become more resilient,
- 1:57to become less stressed,
- 1:59less anxious, to be a better support to themselves, and to be able to be there
- 2:06for themselves when things are hard, when they're encountering things in their
- 2:10lives that are difficult, which,
- 2:13as we know, this is not an easy world to live in right now.
- 2:16There's a lot of things out there that are very fearful and hard to deal with
- 2:22for adults, let alone for teens.
- 2:25So, you know, I think that's the main thing that I really want clinicians to
- 2:29know is that there are skills that teens can learn to be more resilient.
- 2:36And Karen, you've been in this compassion space for 50 years,
- 2:40and you have so much experience, obviously, in this.
- 2:44And how would you identify a teen who would be right, where you go right to the,
- 2:52let's look at self-compassion, where there's so much pediatric practitioners
- 2:56are seeing, as we all know, there's this epidemic of depression and anxiety.
- 3:02What would be some signs to look for where self-compassion could help?
- 3:08Yeah, well, I pretty much assume that most teens, if not all teens,
- 3:15are struggling at least somewhat with things like anxiety and depression.
- 3:20I think it's really rare to find teens who are just, you know,
- 3:25feeling great about themselves. It's part of what goes with the territory.
- 3:29So I just make that assumption. Of course, there are degrees and,
- 3:34you know, some teens obviously struggle a lot more than others.
- 3:40But some of the things to look for, I think, are teens who are isolating themselves,
- 3:45who are in their rooms, on their phones, not spending a lot of time hanging out with their friends.
- 3:52I think that's, you know, that's some of the main things really to look for.
- 3:57And what would you suggest? What would be some good things to say to try to
- 4:04help that teenager who's going through that?
- 4:08Yeah, I think one of the main messages that we try to get across,
- 4:13and this gets into the definition of self-compassion, but one of the main messages
- 4:18we try to get across is that they're not alone in their struggles.
- 4:23And most teens really feel like they're the only ones.
- 4:26They're the only ones who are struggling with anxiety. They're the only ones
- 4:30who feel lonely or feel sad or feel like they're an idiot.
- 4:34And when we teach teens about self-compassion, and we do have an eight-week
- 4:40class where we teach teens about self-compassion,
- 4:43that's one of the most eye-opening things for teens is when they realize that
- 4:49they're not alone in their struggles.
- 4:51So it might be helpful if I talk about the definition of self-compassion as
- 4:57it was defined by Krista Neff.
- 4:59She is the pioneer and self-compassion.
- 5:02At UT Austin, right?
- 5:04Right, at UT Austin. She's no longer at UT Austin, but you can find out all
- 5:10about her from her website, which is selfcompassion.org.
- 5:14You can also join as part of her self-compassion community. There's a small monthly fee.
- 5:21I think it's like $14 a month or something like that.
- 5:24But there are a lot of resources that you can access without joining.
- 5:28But anyway, that's all on the website.
- 5:30And I guess those emails, too, they're very helpful. And I didn't realize,
- 5:34though, she's not with the University of Texas at Austin anymore.
- 5:37But she was there for a number of years, right?
- 5:40Yes, she was there for a long time. I think at least 20 years, something like that.
- 5:46And yeah, she has retired from the university. and so that she could really
- 5:51put more of her time and energy into developing other resources for people who
- 5:58want to learn how to be more self-compassionate.
- 6:00So, you know, and we know that self-compassion is tied to less anxiety,
- 6:07less depression, less stress, most recently less suicidal thinking,
- 6:12particularly among teens.
- 6:14And so just to offer you the definition of self-compassion.
- 6:18So the first, there's three different parts to self-compassion as Kristen Neff defined it.
- 6:23The first one is mindfulness, and mindfulness is just simply having the awareness
- 6:29of what we're experiencing, the feelings and the emotions that we're experiencing
- 6:35as we're experiencing them.
- 6:37So this might seem kind of obvious, but often when we are really struggling
- 6:42emotionally, we tend to not want to face those feelings.
- 6:47We tend to, you know, for some people, you know, bury them under the rug or
- 6:51push them away in some way.
- 6:53Or alternatively, we tend to overemphasize them or exaggerate them. So.
- 7:01Mindfulness is having a balanced perspective and looking at the emotions that
- 7:06we're experiencing in the moment that we're experiencing them.
- 7:10And then the second component is common humanity. And this is what I was just
- 7:13talking about, that this understanding that these difficult emotions that we're
- 7:19experiencing, like sadness,
- 7:22loneliness, frustration, anger,
- 7:25anxiety, depression, that these are part of the human experience.
- 7:30It doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with us. It doesn't mean that we've done something wrong.
- 7:36And this is not the message that we get, right? This isn't the message that
- 7:40we get from our culture and our society.
- 7:43The message that we get is that we're supposed to be happy.
- 7:46And if we're not happy, then we're doing something wrong. And we need to examine
- 7:50our lives or we need to improve or, you know, we need to look at self-improvement,
- 7:54you know, ways to self-improve.
- 7:57It's just not the way things are, you know. And I think we all really know that.
- 8:01Anybody who's older than age 20 has gone through things in their lives that
- 8:08are really hard, that are stressful, that are sad, that cause anxiety.
- 8:13And this is the human condition.
- 8:16But often, although we may know that on some level, often when we're the ones
- 8:21who are going through that, we don't recognize that.
- 8:24We don't acknowledge that to ourselves. And so we feel lonely. We experience shame.
- 8:30We experience isolation, particularly for, you know, teens.
- 8:34So it's part of that. Or sorry, go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt you. So go ahead. You can ask.
- 8:40Well, I was just going to ask, is part of the problem that on social media,
- 8:45so many of us look so happy in every single post that it kind of adds to that
- 8:51societal pressure for happiness? Yes, absolutely.
- 8:56So social media, we know, definitely exacerbates this, right?
- 9:00Because people post images that are curated, that have filters.
- 9:05Of course, they're not going to post their most painful moments or when they
- 9:11felt, you know, isolated or left out. They're going to post those images of
- 9:15when they're having fun and having a great time and everything's going well.
- 9:20And yeah, so social media definitely exacerbates this feeling of like, I'm not good enough.
- 9:27Or I'm not worthy.
- 9:29Or everybody else's lives are going great. I'm the only one who,
- 9:35you know, feels like an idiot.
- 9:38So yes, so social media definitely...
- 9:41Weighs heavily, particularly among teens in this regard.
- 9:46And so then the third component of self-compassion is self-kindness.
- 9:50And self-kindness is about taking an active step to do something supportive
- 9:55or kind to yourself when you're having a hard time.
- 10:00So we readily do this for other people. We readily support our good friends
- 10:06or say kind things to our good friends when our good friends come to us and they're struggling.
- 10:11But we don't do that for ourselves. So one of the things we teach people when
- 10:17we're teaching self-compassion in either workshops or courses or talks,
- 10:23we teach people specific tools on how to be kind to themselves and how to support themselves.
- 10:30And so we know that, first of all, that this is possible, that people can learn
- 10:35how to be more self-compassionate.
- 10:37And then second, that it's through many research studies at this point.
- 10:42We know that those people who
- 10:44are more self-compassionate have experienced less anxiety, less stress,
- 10:49less depression, have better outcomes as far as academic stress,
- 10:56as far as getting along with others.
- 10:59Their friends and partners see them as being very kind and giving and understanding,
- 11:05et cetera. So there are a lot of positive outcomes.
- 11:08What would you say to the teen?
- 11:11And this probably won't happen ever in the exam room, but it's kind of more
- 11:15for the parent in the exam room who may be saying this to the pediatrician.
- 11:21But my daughter says, let's say her name is Allison.
- 11:25Like, how could you be so stupid, Allison?
- 11:28That was so dumb. I hate myself.
- 11:32Like, what do you do? You know, something like that. Is that something to be alarmed about?
- 11:37How do you address that?
- 11:40Yeah, so we know that this actually is pretty common and not just among teens,
- 11:46but adults do it also, right? Are they learning from us?
- 11:51Sorry? Are they learning from us? I hope I've never said anything like that
- 11:55to my kids, but I don't know if I try to think back.
- 11:59We're hiding ourselves. Yeah, so as adults, we have lots of opportunities to
- 12:06model self-compassionate behavior in front of our kids, right?
- 12:10So, because we make mistakes as adults.
- 12:13So one example I like to give is, you know, a parent who's cooking dinner and
- 12:18they burn whatever, they burn the food that they're cooking, right?
- 12:22So instead of saying to themselves, oh, I'm such an idiot that I shouldn't have
- 12:26done this, so stupid, or even just like that kind of tone as that happens,
- 12:33like, you know, whatever it is, you have the opportunity as an adult,
- 12:38as a parent to say, you know what, I just burned the rice.
- 12:43I've had a really hard day. I've had so much going on, you know,
- 12:47a lot of pressure at work, you know, lots of things happening.
- 12:53What I really need is just to take a moment for myself and take a couple of
- 12:57deep breaths, sit down, even for 30 seconds, and just relax for a minute,
- 13:03and then go back to cooking.
- 13:04So you can have this outward dialogue with yourself in front of your teens.
- 13:10Your teens may seem like they're not listening, but what we know about teens
- 13:16is that they might appear like they're not listening, but they really are listening.
- 13:20So we have ample opportunities to model self-compassionate behavior in front of our kids.
- 13:30And I've done it in the classroom with teens.
- 13:33So for example, I remember one time specifically where I forgot to turn off
- 13:38my phone and, you know, my phone buzzed or something during class.
- 13:43And I used it as a teaching example. And I said, look, I have the,
- 13:47you know, I have the choice right now.
- 13:49I can say to myself, oh, Karen, that was so, you know, you should know better.
- 13:55You've been teaching for a long time. You should have known better.
- 13:58You should have turned your phone off.
- 13:59Or I could say to myself, whoops, I'm human. I made a mistake.
- 14:05Next time, I will make a point to check my phone.
- 14:09Maybe I'll even write a little note to myself, a Post-it note,
- 14:13and put it on my desk or someplace that I can see it so I'll know to turn off my phone.
- 14:18So what we're demonstrating when we do that in front of teens is that,
- 14:24first of all, you're not off the hook, right?
- 14:26You've made a mistake. You have to take responsibility for it.
- 14:29You can learn from it. But you don't have to beat yourself up so much.
- 14:34Because we know that really is not actually helpful.
- 14:38Well, and I love how in the food example too,
- 14:42where it's not like this, I don't know if toxic positivity would be the right
- 14:47word, but like, hey, now it's a great opportunity to order out or something,
- 14:51but to really kind of talk about like, it feels bad when you burn the rice and you're trying to,
- 14:56you know, and it has been a long day and I have this pressure at work and then
- 15:01like doing that for yourself, it's okay to take a moment for yourself kind of thing.
- 15:06Right. And to acknowledge that it doesn't feel good, you know?
- 15:09Yeah. It doesn't feel good to make a mistake. And that's okay.
- 15:13It's okay, first of all, to make a mistake. And second of all, to not, not to feel good.
- 15:19You know, I mean, discomfort is also part of being human.
- 15:24And I think what we've seen a lot lately is this kind of disdain for discomfort.
- 15:32Oh, we're not supposed to feel discomfort.
- 15:33We have to kind of bypass that. And that's not healthy either.
- 15:38Discomfort's part of life. And what we need to know and learn and experience
- 15:44is how to deal with discomfort and not to push it away. Not to push it away.
- 15:51And I don't know if this applies, but it,
- 15:54It seems to be like for a lot of parents now, it's that they want to,
- 15:59like, if this will make my child happy, then he or she can do this.
- 16:03And like, I just remember an example, my daughter was having a sleepover and
- 16:09she was allowed to have a certain number of kids.
- 16:12And then when it came down to it, this one friend, I asked her mom,
- 16:16like, we just need to know by today, because if you can't make it,
- 16:19if your daughter can't make it or doesn't want to come, then we'll invite someone else.
- 16:22And then she said her daughter was not able to make it, couldn't go or whatever.
- 16:28And then last minute, right before the party started, the mom contacted me.
- 16:34She's decided now she wants to go and spend the night.
- 16:37And then I told her, well, now we invited someone else, so let's get together
- 16:42another time. Something like that.
- 16:43But then she still brought her daughter over and dropped her off and said,
- 16:48this will make her too sad.
- 16:50So she needs to come and
- 16:52spend the night here and just let you know she
- 16:55can just mingle in with everyone and she dropped her off so like
- 17:01you know I hear things like this a
- 17:04lot I heard a story actually just yesterday similar kind of
- 17:07thing you know it's of course we
- 17:10want our kids to be happy it's the hardest thing
- 17:13in the world to see our kids struggle you know of course but But I just don't
- 17:20think it's teaching them how to deal with difficulty and challenges if we smooth
- 17:26everything over for them and we make it easy for them.
- 17:31Because guess what? These difficult things are going to arise again at some
- 17:35point in their lives, and we
- 17:37may not be around to help smooth them over and to make it work for them.
- 17:42So the best thing that we can do as parents really is to teach them how to deal
- 17:49with when things are hard and when you've made the decision not to go to a party,
- 17:57well, that was your decision.
- 18:01And now, unfortunately, you're going to have to deal with the consequences of that decision.
- 18:08Right. I think that that's really good advice.
- 18:11Is it important that we intervene as parents and say something if we hear our
- 18:16kids being hard on themselves or say something not necessarily saying that's not true?
- 18:25Or what do we say? Or do we say, that sounds so hard. It sounds like you're
- 18:29in such pain. I'm so sorry. Or what do you advise there?
- 18:33I think the first thing that I would do is validate their feelings.
- 18:38Like, wow. You know, just like what you were saying.
- 18:41Wow it sounds like you're you know that that's that's really
- 18:44hard that you know what you're experiencing right now is really tough
- 18:47that's really hard yeah i can i
- 18:50can see that you know and and and
- 18:53asking them and and this is you know we teach this
- 18:56we teach self-compassion in a
- 18:59pretty extensive class so there's a lot of steps to
- 19:02this and there's a lot of tools so what i'm doing right now
- 19:05is kind of jumping to the tools without having
- 19:08the intervening steps because obviously the
- 19:11you know the teen or you
- 19:15you know haven't taken the class but but you know is there something that you
- 19:20can say to yourself right now that can be supportive or if your friend if you
- 19:26have a good if you had a good friend who is going through what you're going
- 19:29through right now what would you say to them?
- 19:32You know, what would you say to your friend who was struggling with this same
- 19:36kind of thing, whether it was, you know, getting a bad grade and on test or whatever?
- 19:42What would you say to them? And then whatever they said, you know,
- 19:46can you say those words to yourself?
- 19:48Can you support yourself in the same kind of way that you supported your good friend?
- 19:56Yeah, because we would, we would never say that to a friend that's going through
- 20:00something. They then they wouldn't want to be friends with us.
- 20:03Right, right. I was going to say in the first class that we teach in our program,
- 20:11we do an activity around how would I treat a friend.
- 20:15And this comes actually from the adult. There's also an adult course,
- 20:20and we've adapted it for teens.
- 20:22But it basically teaches just that. It's like, you know what?
- 20:25We don't talk to our friends the way we talk to ourselves. We're much harder
- 20:29on ourselves than we are on our friends.
- 20:33And we don't have to be, you know? We don't have to be.
- 20:36We can speak to ourselves in the same kind of supportive way that we speak to our good friends.
- 20:43Dr. Bluth, is the workbook, the self-compassion for teens, is that the class
- 20:49or does that go along with the class? Or can you tell me more about this?
- 20:53Yeah, so the workbook, there's a lot that's in the class that's in the workbook.
- 20:58And then there are things in the workbook that aren't in the class.
- 21:01There are things in the class that aren't in the workbook. So they're overlapping,
- 21:04I guess, is the best way to see it. Yeah.
- 21:06But there's a lot in that in the workbook and also in the other books that come from the class.
- 21:13But then there's also new things in the class too. So where can we find your class?
- 21:17Where can our teenagers find your class or patient teenagers find the class?
- 21:22Yeah, so my website is OneWay, and that's just my name, dot com, KarenBooth.com.
- 21:29We are in the process of developing a website specifically for teens,
- 21:35which I'm hoping will be launched in the next few weeks.
- 21:40I'm being very optimistic about it. We've been working on it for quite some
- 21:43time, and it will be selfcompassionforteens.com.
- 21:49And yeah, so that one will have lots of, you know, kind of easily accessible
- 21:54things for teens so that they can learn more about self-compassion.
- 22:00So they can go to the, but your website, parents or pediatric practitioners
- 22:05who want to know more can go to karenbluth.com and, and you can take the course.
- 22:12And is that where we could, and can we find the workbook, the self-compassion workbook for teens?
- 22:17You can find that wherever you would get a book, Amazon or somewhere.
- 22:21Right so right so yeah
- 22:24so all the books are available at barnes and noble or amazon or wherever you
- 22:28buy your books your local bookstore on my website on the on the landing page
- 22:33there is a link directly to the courses a page in the website where there are
- 22:40some of our teachers have,
- 22:43little have their bios and information about the courses that they're taught
- 22:47that they're teaching So we've trained teachers, I don't know how many at this
- 22:51point, probably close to, you know, four or 500 internationally in this, to teach this program.
- 22:57I just came back from teaching, training teachers in China.
- 23:01And I, earlier in the year, in February, I was in Korea training teachers there. Wow, how did that go?
- 23:07Great, great. It was the third time I was in Korea, second time I was in China.
- 23:12I was in China last year also, training teachers.
- 23:15And so, yeah, we've been lots of places, Australia, Germany,
- 23:18Spain, the Netherlands, Ireland, lots of different places to try to get,
- 23:24you know, because teens are struggling everywhere, right?
- 23:27Are you teaching teachers of self-compassion or teachers in general how to teach
- 23:35self-compassion, like school teachers?
- 23:38Some are school teachers, some are clinicians, some are therapists,
- 23:43school counselors, parents, really anybody who wants to learn and is willing to take the course.
- 23:50We do have some prerequisites.
- 23:54One is to have some experience teaching teens.
- 23:59So if you're a clinician or an educator, you have that experience or a Girl
- 24:04Scout leader or some experience teaching teens.
- 24:06The reason for that is that sometimes people feel like they want to teach teens,
- 24:12but they really don't have a sense of what all of that is about and what it involves.
- 24:18And so we'd like people to have some experience with teens in groups.
- 24:24And the other prerequisite is taking the mindful self-compassion class for adults,
- 24:30which is a fabulous class, which I think anybody and everybody should take.
- 24:35And that's available now online it's available in person lots of different places
- 24:41one place to find out about that is the center for mindful self-compassion and the website for that is.
- 24:53Centerformsc.org and they have a listing of people taking that class for adults
- 24:59all over the world And also,
- 25:01I'm sure Kristen Neff has it on her website, which is the selfcompassion.org website.
- 25:08I admire Kristen Neff's work. And I remember one of her exercises,
- 25:12it says to say to ourselves, if you've been lucky enough to have had a kind mother,
- 25:19have or have had to say to yourself, it's okay, darling.
- 25:24And if you haven't had or don't have a kind mother, to imagine having that.
- 25:30And kind of talk to yourself so sweetly like that.
- 25:34Yeah, and you can, you know, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a mother.
- 25:38You know, it could be, you know, some imagined figure.
- 25:42When we teach this to teens, we, you know, we offer, you know,
- 25:45it could be a grandparent. It could be a teacher.
- 25:48It could be a coach. It could be somebody who you just imagine, you know.
- 25:53You know, you can create this person in your own mind. Or you could be a character
- 25:57from a book you've read or comic book or a movie or whatever.
- 26:01But some imagined being that is, you know, that cares about you and wants the best for you.
- 26:10And yeah, you know, and they can be your compassionate friend.
- 26:17And is it good to say things out loud or is it more of an internal voice or
- 26:22does it not matter? It's whatever feels comfortable?
- 26:24I would say it's whatever feels comfortable for you. You know,
- 26:28I think for some people, you know, some people like to do it silently.
- 26:32Some people like to say something out loud.
- 26:35You know, I've taught adults for a long time as well as teens.
- 26:40And what I hear, you know, I wouldn't say consistently, but,
- 26:45you know, not inconsistently, is that it can feel awkward.
- 26:50So if it feels awkward to you to say these kind words and kind messages to yourself,
- 26:57have no fear it's simply because we're not used to doing it and what we know
- 27:04is that when we're not used to doing anything it's going to feel uncomfortable
- 27:09or awkward at first right so you know even think about the first time you know
- 27:13if you play a musical instrument the first time we sat down at that musical instrument,
- 27:17it felt really uncomfortable and awkward.
- 27:20Or the first time, you know, you played a sport, it's uncomfortable or awkward.
- 27:24You know, things are always awkward the first time you do them.
- 27:28So it's only because we're not in the habit.
- 27:32What if, say, in the exam room, a teenager or a teenager at home,
- 27:37you know, the parent or the pediatric practitioner asks, like,
- 27:40have you been taking your medication?
- 27:42And she says, like, I'm so stupid. I forget to take it sometimes.
- 27:49Is that an opportunity? What do you say there?
- 27:52I would say something like, you know, we all forget at times,
- 27:59right? You know, we're all human, and part of being human is,
- 28:03you know, we can be forgetful.
- 28:05So, again, that's that common humanity message.
- 28:09You know, this is part of being human. It doesn't mean that you're,
- 28:13you know, that there's anything wrong with you.
- 28:16So, you know, so you're human. You forget. What are some steps that you can
- 28:21take right now so that you can remember, so that you can remember to take your medication?
- 28:28So again that's you know the self-kindness
- 28:32piece so medication you know you need to
- 28:35take the medication medication is good for you so
- 28:38what can you do that will help you remember what are
- 28:42some actions some steps so it could be you know whatever it could be tying it
- 28:47to you know you know anything from you know putting a string around your wrist
- 28:53you know it's an old kind of a old-fashioned kind a way to remember or tying
- 28:58it to something that you do every night,
- 29:01you know, if it's a medication that you have to take in the evening.
- 29:04When you go to brush your teeth, you know, put a note on your toothbrush to take your medication.
- 29:09You know, tying, what are some steps that you could take that will help you remember?
- 29:13Your class that's on your website, is that a recording or do you do live sessions too?
- 29:19And is there a cost or can you tell us more about that?
- 29:23Yeah, so different teachers who we have trained offer the class,
- 29:27and there is generally a cost associated with it.
- 29:31The cost is, you know, up to the teachers who offer it. You know,
- 29:36there's a kind of a range that we suggest.
- 29:39And some teachers teach in person, some teachers teach online,
- 29:44some do both. So it varies, you know.
- 29:48Prior to the pandemic, it was always offered in person. Since the pandemic,
- 29:53things have changed, and it's now offered online as well as in person.
- 29:58Okay, great. Karen, tell me about Self-Compassion for Girls,
- 30:03a guide for parents, teachers, and coaches.
- 30:06Yeah, so this is an Audible original that I wrote. I was approached by Audible
- 30:14to write a book specifically for girls.
- 30:18This was maybe 2018, 2019, and I believe it came out in 2021.
- 30:27And it's one of the few books that I wrote that's specifically for adults.
- 30:35So I'm saying book and quote because it's not in print. It's only on Audible
- 30:40if you have a subscription to Audible.
- 30:43And it's free offering through Audible.
- 30:47So it's all different ways that parents, teachers, and really anybody who works
- 30:54with teens, specifically teen girls, although there's a lot in there that's
- 30:58also applicable to teen boys,
- 31:02to help support them.
- 31:05You know, and to help teach them some self-compassion tools.
- 31:08It sounds great. And what about your mindfulness and self-compassion for teen ADHD?
- 31:14Can you tell me about that? Yeah, so I worked with Mark Burton,
- 31:19who is an ADHD expert, as I am not the ADHD expert.
- 31:23And so we wrote this book specifically for teens who are struggling with ADHD,
- 31:29Because what we know is that teens who experience ADHD tend to be really hard on themselves.
- 31:36They've experienced a lot of negative feedback in their lives from teachers,
- 31:44from their school experience, from, you know, sometimes from parents.
- 31:48And so how they can be kind to themselves and how they can support themselves
- 31:53in spite or maybe even because of their ADHD so that they can manage their ADHD
- 32:01experience with, you know,
- 32:04greater kindness and greater compassion and, you know, manage their lives in
- 32:10a way that they can be successful and not so hard on themselves.
- 32:15That sounds wonderful. For our parent listeners and our pediatric practitioner
- 32:21listeners, can you go through some things?
- 32:25Because as parents, we know, you know, it's, I like to say, I like what Oprah
- 32:31says, it's the hardest, best job in the world.
- 32:34And we know that being a general practitioner, that's also really hard.
- 32:40They have so much coming at them.
- 32:41What are some things we should be saying to ourselves for self-compassion.
- 32:46Can you give us some more examples?
- 32:48Yeah, I'm so glad you're asking this question because, as I said earlier,
- 32:53I think the best thing that we can do for kids, and I'm saying kids generally
- 32:57of all ages, is practice self-compassion ourselves and to learn self-compassion ourselves.
- 33:03And as I mentioned, there's a lot available out there for that specifically,
- 33:09the two websites that I mentioned, selfcompassion.org and centerformsc.org.
- 33:17And, you know, to learn how to be, how to support ourselves,
- 33:21because it is really, really hard to be a parent.
- 33:25I'm a parent of two adults.
- 33:28I can't even say young adults anymore. They're 30 and 33. And so.
- 33:34It's still You know it still has its challenges Certainly
- 33:38it's not as hard as it Was when they were teens but it's
- 33:41It still has its challenges so Parenting is
- 33:44The hardest I always say it's the hardest job ever So we too To Be kind to ourselves
- 33:54and supportive To ourselves and there are people Working with In pediatric clinics also,
- 34:02working with pediatricians to teach pediatricians how to be kinder to themselves.
- 34:08Up until I retired early January this year,
- 34:12and before that I was working with residents and some pediatric residents in
- 34:18hospitals teaching self-compassion to residents because,
- 34:24as you know very well that it's, it's, it's hard.
- 34:28It's very, you know, being a clinician is very hard and people look to you often
- 34:33with answers and it's, and sometimes the answers are hard or they're hard to
- 34:38come by or sometimes they're, and we worked very,
- 34:41very hard, you know, it's a hard job.
- 34:44So, so learning how to be kind to ourselves, learning how to be compassionate
- 34:48to ourselves and how to support ourselves when things are hard,
- 34:52knowing that they will be hard.
- 34:54I find that when I go through a self-compassion exercise, if I'm having trouble
- 34:59sleeping, I fall right to sleep.
- 35:01Does that help? I do the same.
- 35:04Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, I do the same.
- 35:07So one of the things, and this is just one tool, one quick tool that we teach
- 35:12and we teach it in the first class, are self-compassion gestures,
- 35:16or we call them supportive gestures.
- 35:18And we readily do these gestures for other people.
- 35:22When other people are, you know, our friends are struggling,
- 35:25we would think nothing about giving them a hug or patting them on the back or
- 35:29putting our arm around them.
- 35:30But we don't do those kinds of things for ourselves.
- 35:33Although we know that they elicit a release of oxytocin, which of course is the feel-good hormone.
- 35:41So I do this for myself in the middle of the night. I wake up and I can't sleep.
- 35:45I will just cross my arms and maybe stroke my upper arms, or give myself a hug,
- 35:51or just rest my hand over my heart.
- 35:55There's a whole number of supportive gestures that we teach that people can
- 36:01do to just elicit a little bit of this physiological response,
- 36:06this release of oxytocin in our systems when we can't fall asleep or when we're struggling.
- 36:15Easy. When we teach teens, they tell us that they use them frequently because it's easy.
- 36:21We can do it at any time. Very portable. Yeah, it's very helpful.
- 36:27Well, Dr. Bluth, this has been so wonderful, and it's such an honor to talk
- 36:32to you about this important topic of self-compassion.
- 36:35Is there anything else you want to mention regarding self-compassion for teens,
- 36:40kids, adults before we wrap?
- 36:44Yeah, I think the only thing that I want to mention is that to remember that
- 36:49this is a really hard world that we're living in right now.
- 36:54And I think it's really easy to forget that. It's a lot easier.
- 36:58Harder than it was a couple decades ago, certainly when I was a teen,
- 37:03but even in generations since then, it's particularly tough.
- 37:09And what teens and young adults report to us is that they really struggle with
- 37:15undue pressure around academics.
- 37:20Around the divisive political discourse around, you know, the issues around
- 37:26climate change and violence and school shootings.
- 37:30I mean, there's a lot going on there that causes a lot of fear in young people
- 37:36that hasn't, that wasn't there in previous decades.
- 37:41So in social media, of course, we talked about that.
- 37:44And so just to remember that and to keep that in mind is that this generation
- 37:48is growing up with a lot of pressure that we didn't have previously.
- 37:55And also, of course, that there are tools, that there are tools and there's
- 38:01things that can really help alleviate some of these stresses.
- 38:07One clinician, when I was talking to her in the clinic where she works the other
- 38:11day, she was just saying, the biggest thing is just it's screens.
- 38:14What do we do about all the screens? they're constantly on
- 38:18screens even when
- 38:21they're like i saw i was on a
- 38:23a walk the other day and out in nature but the i mean i and i can also understand
- 38:29the situation when kids are little it's it's hard to even be able to go on a
- 38:33walk but the child was holding a cell phone watching a video while they were
- 38:37walking through the forest you know and the child the it was a big like one
- 38:40or two year old in a stroller Sure.
- 38:44Like glued to the phone.
- 38:48Yeah, it's, you know, it's, it's really hard.
- 38:52It's hard. And it's something I think that we'll be dealing with for a long time.
- 38:58When we teach teens, I'll tell you what we do around social media is we don't
- 39:02tell them don't use social media, because of course, that would just be,
- 39:05we just get a lot of backlash from that. And we know that that wouldn't work anyway.
- 39:09So what we teach them is to be aware of how they're feeling when they're on
- 39:14social media, you know, and to notice their feelings.
- 39:18And, you know, if they're feeling, you know, joy, or they're feeling connected,
- 39:24or they're feeling something good, then great.
- 39:26But notice how they're feeling and know that they have a choice.
- 39:29So we empower them with making
- 39:33the decision that we let them know that they're capable
- 39:36of making the decision to limit their social media
- 39:39use if that's what they so choose or not
- 39:42you know but to notice how they're feeling when they're
- 39:45on so ask that question how is this making you feel how does it make you feel
- 39:50afterward yeah notice notice how you're feeling when you're on social media
- 39:55we actually have them take out their phones and scroll on their favorite social
- 39:59media platform and notice how you're feeling.
- 40:03And and then also after and if you were not feeling good how can you support
- 40:10yourself we don't give them the answers right because they're capable of answering
- 40:15it for themselves how can you support yourself how can you be a better friend
- 40:20to yourself if you're not feeling good when you're on social media.
- 40:24And could your workbook, could that help a child on his or her own,
- 40:29or is it important to take the class too?
- 40:32What I've heard is that the book helps on its own. Absolutely.
- 40:37So, you know, depends on the kid. You know, sometimes they just want to work alone.
- 40:42I think the one really huge benefit of working in a group is the common humanity piece.
- 40:48So teens see, oh, wow, I am not alone. I'm not the only one.
- 40:54Who feels really badly about myself, you know, all these other teens do also.
- 41:00And it's really hard to convince teens of that if they don't see it for themselves.
- 41:06And it sounds like this self-compassion could really help the child who doesn't
- 41:13just say harsh things about his or herself,
- 41:16but then in addition to that might hit
- 41:20something or break something or hurt someone else
- 41:23like is saying that first the precursor to that sometimes and
- 41:26the self-compassion could help be
- 41:29the anecdote to all of this the anecdote to to kind of like teenager wanting
- 41:36to hurt themselves or others or just slamming something down you know after
- 41:42when they're mad or they or something like that or hitting a wall or slamming a door,
- 41:48Well, what we know is that teens who are more self-compassionate are less likely
- 41:54to self-injure when they're depressed.
- 41:58So, you know, we just know that from a research study.
- 42:01So that we know depression, of course, is tied to self-injury.
- 42:05But teens who are more self-compassionate are less likely to make that jump
- 42:10from depression to self-injury.
- 42:13And that's true. So, you know, self-compassion we know is a protective factor,
- 42:18is a buffer against a lot of those negative outcomes.
- 42:22And we know that from various different research studies. Well,
- 42:26this has, it's all been so great.
- 42:28Any parting thoughts or do you want to mention how it helps you in your life
- 42:36being an expert? Every day. Every day.
- 42:40It helps me every day, you know. And, of course, with all my work over the years,
- 42:46being with not just self-compassion but with mindfulness,
- 42:48that I'm constantly—I'm much more self-compassionate than I was 10 or 20 years ago.
- 42:59But it's always a work.
- 43:03I, like everybody else, it's a work in progress. And you're never done.
- 43:07It's a lifelong journey, actually, to be kind to yourself.
- 43:13But you develop the awareness. You develop more awareness of when you're not
- 43:18feeling good about yourself. And so you can bring in those tools more readily.
- 43:22And I would imagine this can help the teen. It can help all of us to be more
- 43:26compassionate to others if we have that self-compassion, if we're practicing that regularly.
- 43:32Right, because we're more resilient and we have more to give.
- 43:34You know, when our own cup is full, we're more able to give to others.
- 43:39Mm-hmm well thank you so much dr karen bluth professor and expert in self-compassion
- 43:48and author thank you for being here on pediatrics now and pediatrics now for
- 43:54parents well it's my pleasure to be here thanks so much holly.
- 44:00Music.
- 44:03Um is it important to say things to yourself like i'm doing the best i can or
- 44:08stuff like that or or like is there another like running line to say like in times of,
- 44:15instead of i think the main running line would be when i say this to a friend
- 44:20no what would i say to a friend and can i say that to myself okay that's good because,
- 44:27sometimes we're not necessarily doing the best we can we can't can we always
- 44:31do the best we can maybe always i don't know but right right but you know when
- 44:36i say that you know and it's okay hate sometimes to not do the best you can.
- 44:40You're human, you know, it's going to happen.
- 44:41But yeah, same.
- 44:44Yeah. I mean, how would I, when I say something, it's just somebody else.
- 44:48No, then don't say it to myself.
- 44:49And then do you, is there anything like in internally in your mind that you
- 44:54like a go-to line, like whatever, say like, it's okay, darling,
- 44:57you know, it's going to be okay.
- 44:59Or something like that. My go-to line is everything's going to be okay.
- 45:04Everything's going to be okay. Even if it doesn't turn out the way that you
- 45:07expect it to, it will turn out. Something will happen.
- 45:11That's nice. And it often does.