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191 | WCW Fall Brawl 1996 - War Games · The ExtraCooler Show

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  Welcome to the Western show. You continue to talk like you're
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  Episode now, Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
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  been here. Yeah, I mean, we just had our
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  we had prerecorded it. So I tried to jump back in and
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  hope we did all right in those seven quick minutes that I tried
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  for a complicated man, but man, it's been that long since we've
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  been in front of microphones. So I'm I'm just excited to be
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  back. That's my only housekeeping for
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  the week, if you will, and I'm sure there'll be plenty more
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  because we're covering WCW today.
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  It's always fitting the show's back in the, the, you know, in
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  the fall as school stars. So it's kind of a school themed
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  show to begin with, right? All our gimmickry of credit and
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  and homework. So it's fun.
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  Summer has ended. Summer Slam was a great season 5
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  finale, if you will. And here we are, back to school
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  Season 1, episode 1 of season 6. I love it.
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  It's it, it feels really good to be back.
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  You know, we took a little bit of a break and you're here,
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  you're listening, you're playing this episode of the Extra Cooler
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  show. So I'm going to dive us, have us
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  dive right into our our content. And we didn't really know what
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  we were going to come back with. We were, we were tossing around
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  ideas left and right and then one night I was like, why don't
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  we just do like a something around WCW Fall Fall Brawl,
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  right? And so I landed on throwing out
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  WCW Fall Brawl from 1996. It takes place in September on
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  September 15th, 1996 from Winston Salem, NC.
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  The Lawrence Joel Veterans Memorial Coliseum holds a little
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  over 11,000 people and you know, I feel like it doesn't get
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  talked about enough. Everybody always talks about the
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  Hogan Turn bash at the beach, but nobody ever really dives
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  into the the what happens right after, you know, and and
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  shortly. After.
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  Right, We all, we all know how like the NWO kind of like
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  crumbles. It gets too many members and it
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  just turns into a hot mess. But this is this is so close to
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  it. It's less than two months after
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  Bash at the Beach, right? And here we are.
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  I just, I just thought this would be an interesting thing to
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  cover. NWO is still pretty raw.
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  They're starting to gain some new members, which we're going
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  to get to a lot later. But yeah, let's let's talk about
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  the entire card, right? We get an intro package and then
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  throws right over to the desk with Heenan, Tony, Shivani and
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  Dusty on commentary and they dive right into the action,
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  right with with DDP versus Chavo Guerrero Junior, is he even DDP?
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  No, he's just Diamond Dallas at this point.
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  Diamond Dallas Page. Yeah, for sure I don't.
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  Think he has the page, they just keep calling him Diamond Dallas.
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  He's listed on Wikipedia as Diamond Tower's page.
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  So that's, that's my resource for this knowledge of this.
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  And I didn't take notice while I was watching, that's for sure.
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  But we can play everyone's favorite game because Chavo
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  Guerrero Junior looks super young, super young here based on
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  Jim's Jim's little smirk that he just had on What's the age of
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  Chavo Guerrero Junior in 1996? I don't like this.
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  You're turning the tables on me here.
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  I already know the answer so I'm not going to chime in.
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  What? Do you got Mikey?
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  I'm going to say 21. All right, I'm going to say 23
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  then. 26 All right, we undershot it there.
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  Big. Time.
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  I was going to say 25 but Mikey brought my guest down.
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  I'm blaming I should have gone first.
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  Yeah, 26 here, actually. He's Jim.
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  You were correct. He's actually 25.
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  He's one month away from turning 26.
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  He his birthday is in October. Very good.
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  I like you said I was correct even though I was.
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  Wrong. You're you're sort of correct,
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  but this, this match was fun to me.
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  It was a lot of little man watching Chavo kind of fight
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  from underneath against DDP here and there's a really nasty tilt,
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  A whirl powerbomb that's a 2 count and man, Chavo lands on
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  his side and the side of his head.
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  It doesn't even look like he cuts out.
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  He kicks out and then right afterwards his Diamond Cutter
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  123 and it's over. But this was kind of a fun way
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  to kick this card. Match match goes a little over
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  13 minutes and I I actually kind of think it's appropriate with
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  our return because I've got a million and one things going on
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  in my life. And it just so happens I got an
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  e-mail from one of the participants in this match, and
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  I'm doing work for Chavo Guerrero right now.
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  So I can't tell you anything else.
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  But yeah, it's pretty exciting. And to be watching this
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  pay-per-view at the time, like in and around when I'm shooting
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  the shit with Chavo Guerrero and he's, you know, and he's telling
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  me like, pump, don't worry, He's telling me, don't worry, don't
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  rush. My wife's a teacher too.
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  So I get it is what's cool responses when I?
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  Apologize for like. Yeah, yeah, he's been cool to
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  work with. So it's, I think that's that's
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  cool how the two things align right now it's.
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  Pretty awesome. So.
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  So we give the match 5 cans in a cooler.
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  Right. Oh easily, easily.
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  Before our next match, we get a really, really, really long
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  recap of the NWO and. As long as long as it was I
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  actually like that it was there intro package to the entire
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  event and then, you know, it was very WCW.
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  It was very cheesy at this at this stage, but it hit all the
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  big the big heavy hitters right. It it gave you the timeline of
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  not only from bash at the beach and Ford.
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  You can go back and listen in the archives.
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  Episode 161 is when we covered the bash at the beach and the
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  whole new turn. Look at that.
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  And then, yeah, we come into and they actually give you kind of
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  what's happened since the turn. And really the rise to power
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  here of the NWO is so interesting to me.
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  And you called it out earlier, Nick, But like, it's fascinating
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  to like try to recall what's all that stuff that's going on.
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  And the, the, the sting of it all on top of that is extremely
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  interesting to me 'cause it made me double gas, double, double
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  question myself of what was actually going on with Sting.
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  And like, I couldn't remember that timeline.
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  How much of this was on your radar at the time in 1996?
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  Like do you? I don't remember.
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  I remember it like later on, like like it did not.
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  It took a while for to to seep into wrestling like hardcore so.
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  I don't remember being super excited about like any of these
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  guys starting to join. And I think to me, that's where
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  what the NWO timeline is. It's not like who they feuded
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  with. It's just a matter of like the
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  order in which guys started to join the NWO and it started to
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  slowly fall apart. That's exactly how I feel too.
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  It's like you don't remember the NWO aside from like, oh, this is
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  when 6 shows up or this is when the giant joins or Oh yeah, I
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  remember Rick Rude. Like all of those things are the
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  ones that like stand out to me. But 9697, this was really when
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  you know, again, I've told this story a million times.
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  Not Mikey workrate, but a different mic of friend of mine.
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  We were calling each other like every Monday night and staying
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  on the phone for two hours being like, all right, you turn on
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  raw, I'll turn on on Nitro and I will switch back and forth.
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  Go, go, go Hokans on hokans on. So like that's the the mode that
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  I'm in at this point, but it's so fuzzy, like I can't remember
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  timelines in WCW. Like I can remember timelines in
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  an Austin McMahon or something. Like that, it's definitely very
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  fuzzy for me. So after that package, that
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  video again, I agree. That video package, I, I
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  definitely enjoyed watching that whole timeline of that like, you
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  know, three, I guess three months, 2 1/2 month period.
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  After that we get ice train and where this is where you're like,
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  OK, it's still WWE ice train. Teddy Long defeating Scott
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  Norton in a submission match. So this is when I was like, I'm
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  going to watch, you know what? I'm going to watch the whole
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  card even though we don't have to.
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  And then this match came on and I promptly fell asleep.
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  Like it's like finally a Scott Norton match.
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  I've been waiting to cover a. Scott Norton match.
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  There are two positive things that came out of this match.
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  One, it's Dusty. Well, actually both of them are
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  Dusty Rhodes, but Dusty on commentary, not only he's like
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  trying to drive home that the object of this match is to uncle
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  a guy. So like, not not have him
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  submit, but you got to uncle him.
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  You got to get him to say uncle. Like it was just, you know, you
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  got an uncle. And it was so bizarre.
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  It was like, maybe it's a, you know, a Southern thing.
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  Maybe I just don't understand it.
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  But it was never in our vernacular, or at least my
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  vernacular growing up. My cousins would do that to me.
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  To say uncle, say uncle, like it's like give mercy, mercy, you
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  know, or like. I've heard it before but I've
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  like never heard it as uncling a guy like you're.
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  Yeah, yeah, that was. New to me?
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  But more importantly, Dusty gives you the best, best sound
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  clip that you will hear all day and I'm going to lay it on you.
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  I hate WCW alright. I'm sorry I hit the wrong one.
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  This is. He has no advantage knocking him
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  out because you can't quit if he's unconscious.
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  Not unless you're a good big twin like this.
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  A what? A good ventriloquist.
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  Ventriloquist. Yeah, you can throw your boss
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  like it's he is. Remind you, Oh my God, we, we,
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  we play that one more time. Play it.
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  One more time he. Has no advantage in knocking him
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  out because you can't quit if he's unconscious.
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  Not unless you're good ventriloquist.
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  A what? A good ventriloquist.
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  Ventilicus. Yeah, you can throw your boss
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  like it's he is. Pony laughing.
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  It's scarce. Not what I mean at the end is is
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  incredible. It's we've, we've listened to a
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  bride 10 times tonight, at least together and it just doesn't get
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  Yeah, I, I said. It earlier before before we hit
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  record. Like I think my favorite part of
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  this clip is that everyone is just digging in on dusty and it
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  felt exactly like what you hear from us 4 knuckleheads as we're
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  ripping into each other when somebody usually mispronounces
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  something or gets tongue tied and stutters or whatever.
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  And yeah, then till the this is now.
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  Now we have to say that now. Headed to to your daily
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  vernacular? Oh God.
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  Permanent soundboard fixture, that right?
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  Next we we've got a a title match up next and it is Conan.
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  Wait a minute, who won? Ice.
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  Train. He was on the edge of his seat
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  over there. Oh, ice Train.
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  Damn it. I had $5 on Scott Norton.
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  Damn you, FanDuel. Next up we've got a championship
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  match and it is Hooven Tude Guerrera facing off against
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  Conan. Now you might be asking
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  yourself, what title was Conan holding?
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  It was a the. AAA tell me anyway I.
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  Got it. AAA heavyweight championship.
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  Conan has No title around his waist.
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  And they're calling it the Mexican heavyweight champion.
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  They don't even announce AAA in any way, shape or form.
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  And it's pretty timely now with the current events that are
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  happening in September of 2025 with, you know, AAA being bought
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  by WWE. So I, I thought it was cool
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  that, you know, AAA was on it. And then they completely
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  bastardized it by not putting the title on screen and not even
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  mentioning that he is the AAA heavyweight champion, that he's
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  the Mexican heavyweight champion.
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  I thought it was so bizarre and so strange.
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  And I wonder what was behind that.
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  Yeah, I don't. The whole thing was bizarre, and
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  to me, the most bizarre thing is not the fact that his match goes
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  almost 14 minutes, but the fact that Jimmy Hart is aligned with
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  Conan, and I don't recall that at all.
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  It's like classic Jimmy Hart with his airbrush jacket and
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  he's with Conan. What?
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  You want a Conan airbrush jacket?
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  I do. Imagine.
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  That it's just truly bizarre, Like Conan is the last guy that
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  I would associate Jimmy. Apparently he joined the Dungeon
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  of Doom Conan. Why yes.
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  They were, they were saying. In the beginning of the match,
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  they introduced him as now part of the Dungeon of Doom.
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  Oh OK, still makes no sense, but that's WCW for you.
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  He'll get. Some monster guys like not
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  Conan. Yeah, not bowdy, Bowdy rowdy
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  rowdy yet. Was that a few years away?
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  No, I don't think we're there yet.
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  That's that's really when we get to the NWO.
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  Red and black. Yeah, yeah.
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  Aviva La Raza. So our next match to me is
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  probably the most interesting match on this card and it is
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  Chris Ben. The bar is the bar is real high.
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  After, yes, yeah, yes, it's gone.
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  And I and what was his name? Ice Pack.
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  Ice pack. Sorry.
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  Choo Choo. Sorry.
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  Chris Benoit versus Chris Jericho in our next match goes
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  almost 15 minutes. This is Jericho's first WCW
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  pay-per-view, which to me that's that's the interesting part
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  right there because he obviously just the rocket is strapped on
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  his back from this day forward, I feel like, and, and he's the
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  man young Jericho is about to take off in WCW here.
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  Jericho, Peacock, WCW music here is indescribable.
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  I don't even know how to begin talking about it.
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  It is truly just straight up pathetic.
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  It's so. Loud too.
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  It really is. And Jericho always like, you
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  know, laughs at himself of like how wide eyed bushy tail, like
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  how he couldn't really figure out what he was doing.
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  And you see it during this entrance.
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  He comes out and he's just giving you the come on, let's
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  go. Like really like cheesy face.
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  Pure babyface, yeah. But it was like, even even he
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  makes fun of himself now, looking back at how, like, lost
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  he was in, you know, lack of character.
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  He just came out and put on a respectable, pretty good match
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  for 14 minutes and 36 seconds with, you know, the crippler.
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  Yeah. This is already a much more.
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  Exciting fall brawl than the one I went to go see in 2000 in live
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  in person because they gave they gave away free tickets at like
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  if you went to like our colleges giddy football game, they're
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  like we will give you free to and when like this is also WCW
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  like LN2000, right. So like giving away the tickets
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  for free and I got to see like Paul Orndoff deceased in the
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  ring, like I forgot what happened to him, but he's like a
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  Lang Oh yeah, seizure. Holy shit and I I just learned
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  this 25 years later now, but he was just like laying in the ring
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  as as like the worst guys like Disco Inferno and I think like
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  meet Sean Stasiak or wrestling around them.
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  It was so bad. The Harris brothers were also on
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  the card. Awful atrocious awful.
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  I wish I got to see this. Rey Mysterio?
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  Oh sorry, Benoit defeats Jericho in that match.
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  Rey Mysterio is the WCW Cruiserweight Champion and he
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  defeats Super Kalo in the next match.
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  Super Kalo Fragilisticexpialidocious.
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  He this guy? Nub from Star Wars.
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  Yes, the face, the hat. That's like the top bucket hat.
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  Oh, it's like backwards congle whatever it was called like.
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  It. Kind of reminded me of that.
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  It's like a leather cap. It's like a taxi driven cap.
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  It's like it has to be stitched to the front of the mask.
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  But every once in a while like the back of the hat comes up.
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  Even Heenan at one point is like, I don't know how he's
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  keeping that hat on. Yes, yes.
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  It was a really it it, it was a 15 minute, almost 16 minute
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  match. The crowd is absolutely dead.
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  The match itself was like fun to watch.
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  Like the in ring action was fun to watch, but 2/3 of the way
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  through it I was like all right, enough's enough.
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  Like, let's get out of here. Which is like the theme to a lot
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  of these matches and you know it.
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  Just the attention span and 15 minute long matches with some of
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  these guys is too long. If you cut them in half, maybe
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  the pay-per-view, the beginning half especially, would have been
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  more interesting, but it is what it is.
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  We got A tag team match on on deck Harlem Heat.
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  Booker T and Stevie Ray are the Champions, with sister Sherry
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  and Colonel Robert Parker defeating the Nasty Boys.
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  Knobs and sags. This is a weird one.
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  The Nasty Boys are wearing like deck down their typical ring
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  gear, but it's like extra purple from what I remember.
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  And that's about my biggest take away from this match.
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  Why does Harlem Heat have so many valets or managers?
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  Sister Sherry, Colonel Parker and like.
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  It's like a lot. I don't know.
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  It's completely chaotic. Sherry is Sherry on the outside,
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  not as loud as she typically is, but man sister Sherry running
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  around the ring. She eventually gets the, the,
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  the, the the match Here she takes Colonel Parker's cane and
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  smashes a Harlem Heat member and they get the 123 while the the
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  ref is trying to figure out what the Hell's going on.
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  This was pure chaos. It was a big man fight in WCW in
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  A tag team match, and it was that whirlwind of just what in
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  the world is trying to happen right now.
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  And think about this news like this is a war.
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  War games pay-per-view. There are two rings side by
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  side. We haven't spoken about that
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  just yet. There are two good calls.
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  In this arena and you have all of these matches, like there's
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  some spots that are a positive because you get the finish of
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  the Rey Mysterio match is a that was incredible Frankensteiner.
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  So he's in one ring, jumps off one set of ropes onto the other
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  set of ropes and hits a Frankensteiner for the 123.
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  Like that was awesome. But then.
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  Credit credit to him like, you know, seeing the seeing and what
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  it was and taking like I'm going to do something cool with yes.
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  And a lot of the luchadors, a lot of the, the, you know,
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  cruiserweights were doing stuff like that that made it really
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  fun and entertaining to lots of. Different took use of it.
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  Yeah, it's. Awesome, then the double ring
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  doing that. No, he barely the full ring.
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  Was just another obstacle for making this match make sense.
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  It was very tough. Yeah, not not good, not, not not
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  good at all. Our next match, which is our
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  like, I guess side dish to the main event, it's the Giant
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  facing off against Macho Man. The Giant has just relatively
• 21:05
  recently joined the NWO. Dibiase has also joined the NWO
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  at this point. So now you got a 5.
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  Minute European collar. Yes, it's God, I don't know,
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  Dibiase. So Dibiase used to be on
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  commentary for WCW, then he goes and joins, joins on with them.
• 21:27
  I think Matt's putting on a European collar right now, so
• 21:29
  I'm a little distracted. No way.
• 21:34
  I can't. I can't even believe this is
• 21:36
  happening right now. It is a billion dollar man in in
• 21:43
  the flesh. Or you know, any WCW guy.
• 21:46
  Name. Yeah, Lex.
• 21:48
  Luger. Luger wears it.
• 21:51
  You are like free. You went full WCW right now.
• 21:54
  Free European. Collar for WCW, all right.
• 21:58
  Yeah, free European collar. I can't believe the European
• 22:00
  collar is still like the. Uniform benefits, man.
• 22:03
  It's what happens when you work for a European company.
• 22:08
  Huh. Wow, they put the European and
• 22:09
  European collar. It's impressive.
• 22:13
  Oh God, Giant goes over in this match when they have Hogan comes
• 22:21
  out, he distracts the whole crew and it's just chaos, right?
• 22:29
  Savage loses, Savage gets beat down.
• 22:31
  Now let's just rewind a little bit and you got Halloween Havoc
• 22:39
  is right around the corner and slim Jim is sponsoring this
• 22:43
  event and you've got you've got the giant defeating Savage.
• 22:51
  Savage has earned a title shot right and he's getting the piss
• 22:56
  kicked out of him by the NWO for the first first time tonight.
• 23:01
  Mind you this this will come back to savage.
• 23:04
  So just like wrap your head around that.
• 23:06
  The fact that this guy is supposed to be a part of a main
• 23:09
  event and here we are. I I don't know, it just it
• 23:13
  doesn't make sense, doesn't add up.
• 23:16
  One of the things. That I like him.
• 23:17
  Probably was like, yeah, we're going to bury this.
• 23:20
  Jump. One of the things that I did
• 23:22
  read was instead of the Giant, it was supposed to be the
• 23:26
  British Bulldog coming over from WWF, which when you think about
• 23:30
  it, based on the way that things unravelled with the Outsiders
• 23:36
  and then Hogan joining Bulldog would have made such a different
• 23:40
  impact. If you ask me.
• 23:42
  I get Giant like he's big, he's young, but Bulldog I.
• 23:50
  Hate it Giant. Like it's yeah, I hate giant.
• 23:54
  It's also it's like, all right, here comes the bloke.
• 23:57
  Already Dungeon of Doom like. Yeah, yeah, it's not.
• 24:00
  He's just. Feuding with.
• 24:02
  He takes up so much oxygen too, like he's constantly like in the
• 24:06
  front. Like I, I want to see Paul and
• 24:09
  Nash, I'm sorry, even and Hogan to a lesser extent, like
• 24:12
  Hogan's. I think like I don't know, I we
• 24:15
  can get into this, but it's Hall and Nash and then like adding
• 24:19
  $1,000,000 man old ass million Ted DBRC and then the Giant.
• 24:23
  It just takes away from the original idea.
• 24:25
  And to your point, Bulldog would have been so much better someone
• 24:28
  jumping. Another.
• 24:29
  Another WWF guy, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:33
  I see where you guys are coming from with the another WWF guy
• 24:37
  jumping ship. It certainly makes more sense
• 24:39
  than I guess the Giant joining. But I like that they give him
• 24:43
  this monster, literal monster that they give to the NWO.
• 24:47
  Because think about it, if the Giant is on Team WCW, you have
• 24:53
  somebody that feasibly could go up and go against Kevin Nash,
• 24:57
  can go against Hulk Hogan and can be a, you know, actual
• 25:02
  threat to the point where, all right, it makes sense to team
• 25:05
  him with the NWO guys to make them even more powerful.
• 25:08
  Because we all need the rocket ship.
• 25:11
  The rocket ship doesn't even do justice.
• 25:12
  What's bigger than a rocket ship they can strap to their backs?
• 25:15
  Because that's ultimately what's happening here.
• 25:16
  And for me, I don't, I don't mind the giant as far as Endo Bo
• 25:21
  goes, it gives him some personality and character that
• 25:25
  you know you didn't really get previously.
• 25:27
  Well, I have a clip from from later, then we'll get to see
• 25:30
  where that comes in into play. But you're right where Bulldog
• 25:34
  would have been a nice puzzle piece that would have fit in a
• 25:37
  little bit easier than trying to jam the giant into this
• 25:40
  scenario, but at the. End of the day, it makes sense
• 25:43
  because it's like for those guys who are bad guys, heels, right?
• 25:46
  Like it makes sense to have some giant guy that can do their
• 25:50
  dirty work for them too. And they don't really have to.
• 25:52
  They you know, it's muscle. The The thing is, is that
• 25:56
  Bulldog storyline wise would have made sense like these WWF
• 26:01
  guys coming over to take over WCW, but it just, I don't know
• 26:07
  the Giant it you can see how things are already off to a
• 26:12
  terrible start and it's already unraveling for them because
• 26:17
  there's no build to anything that they do with the storyline.
• 26:20
  And we're only two months in. It's terrible.
• 26:24
  It's, I don't know. I, I think I think it's, it's
• 26:27
  awful. I do think I I see Matt's point
• 26:31
  and I do like the idea of Giant because of the young talent, but
• 26:35
  it is what it is. There is, there is supposed to
• 26:38
  be fear, and they are projecting fear into the lives of every
• 26:42
  single WCW member, including the announced team, because they
• 26:46
  didn't. Show they're so they are so
• 26:48
  afraid. The announced Yeah.
• 26:50
  Offended, Afraid. Yeah.
• 26:53
  And mind you, throughout the entire night, and we're going to
• 26:56
  get to this after what's in the cooler throughout the entire
• 27:00
  night, they are harping on the sting situation.
• 27:03
  And I'm going to leave it at that because we're going to dive
• 27:06
  into that a little bit more before we do the extra cooler
• 27:10
  show. And what's in the cooler is
• 27:11
  brought to you by Sloop Brewing companies.
• 27:13
  Sloop Brewing is known for their hazy and golden Ipas like Juice
• 27:16
  Bomb and Supersoft. I'm a company man.
• 27:20
  Hey. I am.
• 27:22
  I am not drinking tequila. I know this is surprising to
• 27:26
  most. Man, we can't play freaking
• 27:28
  Tito's music in the background. I am I I decided to have this
• 27:33
  because I went to the store the other day and they had a
• 27:36
  different bomb box, the different variety pack of Sloop.
• 27:41
  And it's got the typical juice bomb.
• 27:43
  It's got the pilsner. It's got like a lemon peel beer
• 27:48
  that I haven't even tried yet. And then it's got the West Coast
• 27:52
  IPA. So I, I, I grabbed that.
• 27:54
  I'm drinking the West Coast IPA. I love, love, love that West
• 27:59
  Coast. But I went into my fridge and I,
• 28:02
  you know, we had some people over a while back.
• 28:04
  We went to like, I guess the first, you know, in the very
• 28:08
  beginning of discovering different beers other than
• 28:10
  light, you end up in Sam Adams land.
• 28:12
  So that's only thing that's in our fridge right now.
• 28:15
  It's the Oktoberfest pack with pumpkin bullshit in there.
• 28:19
  I'm all right. OK, OK.
• 28:21
  Go into this battle later, but in right behind it I found the
• 28:25
  very last juice bomb. So cheers.
• 28:27
  I'll be a company man too. You got me excited for the
• 28:30
  cheers to to Sloop. Of course you got me excited for
• 28:33
  Sam Adams though. The fall beer.
• 28:35
  I like those. The Oktoberfest I, I was
• 28:38
  reaching for, and then I saw this and I was like, all right,
• 28:40
  that's much better. Well, look at.
• 28:42
  That of course, because of that. Yeah.
• 28:45
  Mikey. Oktoberfest.
• 28:47
  That's right. You know me.
• 28:48
  I I love the fall beers. Oktoberfest.
• 28:51
  Sierra Nevada. It's delicious.
• 28:54
  Yeah. Can't go wrong with you 2025.
• 28:56
  Thank you. Yeah, the beer fest, right?
• 28:59
  Yeah, yeah. I was going to say takes me.
• 29:02
  Back Mike drinking Sierra Nevada.
• 29:04
  Takes me back to Jim's high school graduation party when he
• 29:08
  took a sip of 1 and he didn't finish it.
• 29:11
  And Jim's dad was like, what are you doing drinking this good
• 29:13
  beer and not gonna finish it? Wasn't that wasn't Sierra
• 29:16
  Nevada? That was a gross.
• 29:19
  I thought it was a Sierra. Nevada, Yeah.
• 29:21
  Regardless, you weren't ready for that kind of flavor.
• 29:23
  You know, not at all. And I don't blame you.
• 29:24
  I wouldn't have been either. We.
• 29:26
  Were too busy drinking, you know, grain alcohol mixed with.
• 29:29
  Right. Yeah.
• 29:30
  I can I can hear the slurp from here. 20/25/20, almost 30 years
• 29:36
  ago. One sipping.
• 29:37
  Down God. Jesus.
• 29:39
  I've got a Tecate and I can say this beer is pretty good.
• 29:43
  I love Tecate. I haven't had it in a long time.
• 29:45
  I'm like, this is a good like, yeah, I would take this over
• 29:47
  Budweiser or whatever the. Call hands down.
• 29:50
  Right. It's just like a straight up
• 29:53
  beer and it's, it's not offensive in any way.
• 29:55
  It's just no. And explaining something.
• 29:58
  Offensive. I love going to like a good like
• 30:01
  like like a good hole in the wall Mexican restaurant and
• 30:04
  ordering a latte out of a can. Yeah, hell, that sounds good.
• 30:07
  Ice cold. Yeah.
• 30:09
  Usually 5 bucks. Yeah right.
• 30:11
  Even better. I feel like I don't see it very
• 30:13
  often. I think this one came with like
• 30:15
  the packs. Sometimes they come with the
• 30:17
  pack with like Dos Aquis or I forget there's something another
• 30:20
  one. It's like 3 different beers and
• 30:22
  they're all under the same umbrella.
• 30:24
  Whatever, it's good, drink it. All right.
• 30:27
  OK, I will. Let's do it.
• 30:28
  OK, I will. Let's talk about our main event,
• 30:31
  the reason why we are here. We are.
• 30:34
  We are going to dive into the War Games match.
• 30:37
  The most dangerous match in our sport, It's our sport.
• 30:41
  Is the NWO which is Hollywood Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash
• 30:46
  and NWO Sting which they think? But we don't know that yet.
• 30:52
  They both have question marks on their side each side.
• 30:55
  Yeah, so, And they're facing off against Team WCW and we know the
• 30:59
  members are Lex Luger, Ric Flair and ARN Anderson.
• 31:03
  Now the story goes that these guys, Team WCW, was beaten down
• 31:08
  by the NWO in the parking lot when Sting decided to cop out of
• 31:13
  a limo and attack them and his buddies.
• 31:18
  So for like 6 days we're wondering as WCW fans, did Sting
• 31:24
  just join the NWO? Looks like it.
• 31:27
  Let me tell you, watching this stuff back, this is some of the
• 31:32
  most anti climatic bullshit in wrestling.
• 31:36
  That I've ever. Seen you've got this guy who is,
• 31:39
  in my opinion and most others, the face of WCW.
• 31:44
  OK. And he just turned on WCW in a
• 31:49
  way that like there's there's it.
• 31:52
  It didn't feel out of nowhere. It didn't feel like monumental.
• 31:55
  It felt like they were just trying to recreate another
• 31:59
  version of Hogan turning and it just, I don't know.
• 32:03
  It paused. Like not even live like what I
• 32:06
  get out of here. Popping.
• 32:09
  Out people with a shit on it. Yes, so they do do a good job of
• 32:13
  really never showing us Sting's face.
• 32:16
  But this, this this man who is Sting looks like Sting for the
• 32:21
  most part. He's got the face paint.
• 32:23
  He's got the hair. Obviously we know it's not
• 32:26
  Sting, but yeah, here we are. And team WCW was fired up.
• 32:33
  Luger is his his bro Flair and Arne Anderson, They can't
• 32:38
  believe Sting did this to them. And throughout the entire card,
• 32:43
  they're they're harping on this like they can't believe Sting
• 32:46
  turned, they can't believe Sting is now a member of the NWO and
• 32:50
  they're Shivani and his boys are trying to sell it throughout the
• 32:54
  entire night. And here we are, War games.
• 32:58
  We're wondering who the 4th member of the NWO is going to
• 33:01
  be. We're also wondering who the 4th
• 33:03
  member of Team WCW is going to be.
• 33:06
  So Sting can clearly only be on one side, right?
• 33:10
  Yeah, that's what's, yeah. Sorry.
• 33:15
  Didn't they just grab another guy if they were worried about
• 33:18
  staying? I know that's how I'm thinking.
• 33:19
  The numbers don't number right? Like if you're concerned about.
• 33:22
  This ice train was free ice train.
• 33:26
  He did win. You got the whole dungeon, the
• 33:28
  doom, you got the Steiner brothers still there.
• 33:30
  Like there are plenty of capable, like talented guys on
• 33:34
  the roster that they could have used.
• 33:36
  These are 4 horsemen. They're sticking together and.
• 33:40
  Wasn't Benoit A4 horseman? Yeah, Benoit was a four horseman
• 33:43
  at the time. So yeah, I mean, he he had.
• 33:46
  His horseman is the grammatically correct way.
• 33:50
  Let's say that. But here we are and they're
• 33:54
  trying to build intrigue. I feel like you guys are tearing
• 33:56
  this apart. I'm I'm like a little, I'm a
• 33:59
  little surprised by this, but. That's OK.
• 34:01
  Wait, I have one question. I might get to the bottom of
• 34:03
  this. Do you think that Luger is so
• 34:05
  dumb that he can't tell the difference between any wrestler
• 34:07
  with that has face paint on? Or is it just like the Sting
• 34:09
  situation where like if he's answering the door on Halloween
• 34:13
  and a goblin with face paint comes on, he's like.
• 34:16
  Sting on. You were at my door last night.
• 34:21
  Yeah, I you just yelled too loud.
• 34:26
  I probably just woke up my family.
• 34:27
  I'm gonna go. So, all right, so we're starting
• 34:31
  off this war games. Match like Lex grunt when he
• 34:34
  opens the door. You can't get it open.
• 34:39
  We have to talk about promo that Oh yes.
• 34:42
  Yes. That's what I was going to next.
• 34:45
  Whole nother level flare is flaring if you really want to
• 34:49
  put it in there, and Blair is. Flaring so much that one of his
• 34:52
  eyes goes wonky and he gets a lazy eye.
• 34:55
  Like so shaking his head so much that one eye goes sideways.
• 35:02
  What happens to him every now and then?
• 35:04
  Let's just listen to Flare being flare and telling us what's
• 35:07
  going to happen. Very shortly, very shortly, the
• 35:11
  horseman kicked ass. That was the best part of the
• 35:20
  promo, that and if for anybody that's listening, they probably
• 35:23
  know if you were a WCW guy that this is the Sting that is this
• 35:29
  promo. It's when he's coming in and he
• 35:31
  is talking about whether they have Sting and Man.
• 35:37
  It's. It's a spectacle.
• 35:39
  It's a. He calls Tenay Jean.
• 35:41
  It's great. Yeah, because like today, mean
• 35:44
  Gene, he's in enough. Land.
• 35:46
  He's dialed in. I like he's got the green robe
• 35:48
  on too. He's got like this little Saint
• 35:50
  Patrick's Day vibe going into it and.
• 35:53
  So he also so then he trains are green.
• 35:57
  We turn over to to Luger, who is just actually holy crap, this
• 36:03
  guy is a bumbling idiot. He says something along the
• 36:06
  lines of, OK, so they're cutting this promo, and then Sting comes
• 36:10
  in and all we see is the back of Sting for God knows what reason.
• 36:14
  Talk about like another storyline thing that just makes
• 36:18
  no sense, right? Isn't the whole idea that we
• 36:20
  don't know where Sting is going to turn up?
• 36:23
  And here we have Sting, the actual Sting, who's trying to
• 36:26
  tell his buddies he's, you know, not with the NWO, and he's real
• 36:31
  corny. You never see his face and Lugar
• 36:35
  points at him with like a finger and he's like a sting.
• 36:39
  I don't believe I can trust you because I can't trust you.
• 36:43
  And then I don't know if I can trust you.
• 36:45
  And he just starts like blabber nonsense.
• 36:49
  Who wrote this shit? That's right, Lugar.
• 36:52
  I mean, you've seen his Fireside chat.
• 36:54
  It's Survivor Series, right? That's right.
• 36:57
  Go back in the archives and find that one.
• 37:01
  What's your first year? What was that?
• 37:03
  That's 90. Oh, God, 445.
• 37:06
  Yeah. 9093, right? Fireside chat with the Luger
• 37:09
  family was another spectacle. But if you were.
• 37:12
  Staying here, wouldn't you just not wear your face paint and be
• 37:15
  like, hey, listen, these this other guy's impersonating me,
• 37:19
  he's going to show up in my stuff as soon as you see it, you
• 37:21
  know, like I'm going to go no face paint and like try to prove
• 37:24
  a point here. Luger is really going after
• 37:27
  Sting too. And he's like, I looked you
• 37:30
  straight in the eye when you attacked me.
• 37:32
  And it's it's so dry and it's almost like he's trying to read
• 37:37
  off of a teleprompter. I know that's not happening
• 37:39
  here. That's just not what went on.
• 37:41
  But it was so like poor reading skills while he was trying to
• 37:46
  like, deliver this and and Sting was no better, which was really
• 37:50
  a crazy part too, because you think about, you know, Sting's
• 37:54
  promos of the early 90s and, you know, Crow Sting.
• 37:57
  No sting, Yeah. Sting a No sting.
• 38:01
  You you get that hyped up classic wrestler style promo and
• 38:05
  here he's just struggling to deliver lines again and it's
• 38:08
  it's a little strange. And we haven't really talked
• 38:10
  about it. Also backstage, along with with
• 38:14
  Flair and Luger and Mike Tanay is also Nancy, Nancy's Benoit
• 38:23
  Sullivan, whatever she is at the time, and a woman and and
• 38:28
  Elizabeth. And then you've got ARN
• 38:30
  Anderson, who looks like he's ready to pinch a loaf back
• 38:33
  there. He.
• 38:34
  He hasn't said barely anything. He's just like grimacing in the
• 38:38
  background. It, I don't know, this, this
• 38:41
  whole thing just it's like, oh Jesus, where are we going with
• 38:44
  this guys? So.
• 38:46
  It was a. It was a.
• 38:49
  They cut back to the ring and. Except for except for flare.
• 38:52
  Yeah, flare is flare, Flare. Is fully flaring, but yeah, he's
• 38:57
  he's off the rails. So we're starting off the War
• 39:02
  Games match. As the lights go out the cage
• 39:04
  starts to lower and it's it's just Michael Buffer.
• 39:10
  Man this guy kills me every time.
• 39:13
  No announcer makes my blood boil like Michael Buffer as he starts
• 39:17
  to explain the rules to war games.
• 39:20
  Jesus Christ give me David Penzer over this guy all day
• 39:24
  everyday. I like buffer over the electric
• 39:27
  guitar theme, Fall Brawl theme, though, I'm kind of into that.
• 39:30
  I'm not going to, yeah. I felt.
• 39:31
  Buffer's telling us the story of the NWO.
• 39:34
  It's like, haven't we been watching?
• 39:36
  Why do I need this recap from you and?
• 39:41
  He is and it's he has two sheets of paper that are look like
• 39:45
  they're handwritten, like he couldn't memorize it.
• 39:48
  So all of the rules of the war games and it's literally like
• 39:51
  blue ink on a sheet of loose leaf paper that he has out
• 39:56
  there. And then he those and he turns
• 39:58
  the page and he has a second page of notes that he is talking
• 40:02
  through and he's standing because the cage is down at this
• 40:04
  point. He's standing on the stairs in
• 40:06
  the corner. It's very, very strange.
• 40:09
  You want to play the game again? How old is Michael Buffer in
• 40:12
  1996? I'm going to go younger.
• 40:15
  He's 39. No, he's younger than us.
• 40:20
  That's crazy. I think he's, I think he's in
• 40:22
  his 40s. I'm going to say 45, Michael.
• 40:27
  50. 51 November 1944, Mr. Buffer was entering the the world.
• 40:37
  So I thought he looked super young and then I looked up his
• 40:41
  age and it was 51. I was really kind of turned off.
• 40:44
  I was more with with Nick on this.
• 40:46
  Do you think that Buffer does? Like, you know, he speaks like
• 40:50
  that all, you know, throughout his life, like.
• 40:54
  You're coming out to dinner if. Like, yeah, you know, if you're
• 40:57
  his kid, he's like telling me about the birds and the bees
• 40:59
  like that. Imagine that.
• 41:03
  Well. He's definitely reading it out
• 41:05
  of a book because he's never had sex before.
• 41:08
  No buffer. Definitely buffer anyway.
• 41:12
  Buffer. Buffer Barely Nowhere.
• 41:14
  Buffer is 80 years old. In 2025, he's going to turn 81
• 41:19
  in November. Still kicking, huh?
• 41:21
  So I think by now you've been listening to this episode for
• 41:26
  over 40 minutes and you know our feelings on this or some of
• 41:30
  ours. I'm not going to get into it
• 41:32
  now, but this is the beginnings W all right?
• 41:37
  This is the beginning of the end for me for this match and it's
• 41:41
  the entrances. It.
• 41:43
  Hasn't started the entrances. OK, I have no, I don't have any
• 41:47
  problems with the match itself, but the production value right
• 41:52
  And the the story writing of like for the presentation end of
• 41:56
  it is so bad right In war games, we're used to like the cages and
• 42:01
  I get it right. They don't need cages.
• 42:04
  They can't have cages because we we don't know who the 4th member
• 42:07
  is for either team. So I I completely get that, but
• 42:11
  all of the cart. Features at the top of the ramp
• 42:13
  like WWE is doing now I understand.
• 42:15
  Right, right. We need, we need something.
• 42:18
  All the participants are backstage and again they're
• 42:22
  trying to harp on the not knowing the 4th member and it
• 42:25
  just the way each member comes out.
• 42:30
  Like there's there's no build to it they just like announce the
• 42:33
  guy starts running down as the they come out early.
• 42:37
  Like they're not allowed to enter the ring until the clock
• 42:40
  hits 0. It's the arena is so cheap that
• 42:45
  they can't have a countdown clock anywhere in the arena that
• 42:49
  Penzer has to get on and say one minute remaining, 30 seconds
• 42:54
  remaining, 15 seconds remaining. Like it's just it's so bad I.
• 43:00
  Have so bad like recall, I mean we're spoiled because we go to
• 43:03
  you know, Madison Square Garden as a kid, right?
• 43:06
  That's where we go see wrestling or we see it in, you know, the
• 43:09
  Westchester County Center, all those times that we've talked
• 43:11
  about previously in White Plains, NY, but like, this is
• 43:14
  North Carolina and I don't know if they have like a Jumbotron or
• 43:18
  anything. That's something.
• 43:19
  It's got to be something but. Shot clock or something?
• 43:22
  Yeah, right. It's just the basketball hoop in
• 43:24
  the corner. But I it was a weird
• 43:28
  presentation for sure with the countdown and the one minute
• 43:31
  remaining. I don't mind that, but it was
• 43:34
  them trying to forcefully get the crowd to countdown and they
• 43:38
  start counting from 10 all the way down and the crowd never
• 43:41
  picks up on it. There's like 0.
• 43:43
  It's not the Royal Rumble the crowd is in.
• 43:46
  Any of this whole evening. Pretty.
• 43:47
  I don't know. I think they get hot.
• 43:49
  It's coming up. At the right times, I feel like
• 43:52
  when a big thing happens, the. Ogre they get hot for actually.
• 43:55
  When Macho slams the giant in their in their match, like crowd
• 44:00
  erupts. There are times that the crowd
• 44:02
  comes up, but in most times they're sitting on their hands,
• 44:04
  which it's strange for, you know, flair country and horsemen
• 44:08
  country. They get hot for Flair.
• 44:09
  They do get hot for Flair. They're loud for him when he's
• 44:12
  going nuts punching. We use, you know, House of Fire.
• 44:14
  Yep, Yep. But yeah, and and and I think we
• 44:18
  can get there. But so Arne Anderson and Scott
• 44:20
  Hall start off in the cage, which to me I thought this is a
• 44:23
  pretty cool battle like. I agree, I like these.
• 44:25
  Two guys like they're they, they pair up well.
• 44:28
  I think I I enjoyed the two of them starting off this match.
• 44:32
  It's also very WWF versus WCW, which is like the idea kind of
• 44:35
  right and it. Really works and I don't and and
• 44:39
  I don't recall, but they keep also harping on the fact that we
• 44:43
  still don't know who has the advantage.
• 44:46
  Right, they they're saying that they're doing a coin toss in
• 44:50
  the. Back.
• 44:52
  And they are announcing it. Why do you say that?
• 44:55
  There's a minute left. In NWO has the advantage.
• 44:58
  In the five minute session that starts out this match like a
• 45:01
  minute to go and then they the announcers announced that oh
• 45:05
  we're doing a coin toss and NWO has won the advantage via coin
• 45:09
  toss and then I. Want to see that coin toss Who's
• 45:11
  not even call it Hogan? It sounds like like a like, you
• 45:17
  know how you always hear how like Vince is in the headpiece,
• 45:19
  the earpiece of like the announcers?
• 45:21
  It sounds like like a non OCD version of Vince McMahon is
• 45:28
  planning all of this. And like on the fly.
• 45:30
  We, we, we forgot to do the coin toss to figure out who has the
• 45:34
  advantage, who's going to come out next.
• 45:36
  We forgot to tell the crowd that NWO has the advantage like.
• 45:41
  Does the, does the premise, the whole thing work for you?
• 45:44
  I mean like, why does one team have to have the advantage?
• 45:46
  Can you go like go back and forth to like 1, you know what I
• 45:50
  mean? Like you have advantage 21 and
• 45:52
  it's 32 the other way or like 2 guys come out at once.
• 45:55
  We're approaching 200 episodes and I, I feel like we've talked
• 45:59
  a little bit about like Survivor Series matches versus war games
• 46:02
  matches and like the idea of war games is really cool, I think,
• 46:09
  but there's definitely a lot of flaws to it that that don't add
• 46:12
  up in my could be. Better like the one fall thing
• 46:16
  too, you know, I don't know, something, something's off.
• 46:18
  They didn't think it all the way through.
• 46:20
  Yes. It's survival, right, it's
• 46:23
  submission, right or or knockout right.
• 46:25
  It's it's not even a pin. But anyway, like the the I have
• 46:29
  complained till no end of how I think the war games is extremely
• 46:32
  flawed and it doesn't make me want to watch because you know
• 46:36
  that there's in this instance, there's you know, a 5 minute
• 46:40
  match that happens between ARN and Scott Hall and then there's
• 46:43
  subsequent 2 minute intervals at that point and then the actual
• 46:47
  match begins when all participants are in the ring
• 46:50
  right? Like that's the rules of war
• 46:52
  games. And for me it makes me not care
• 46:55
  about anything that's, you know, there's no finish.
• 46:58
  That could surprisingly happen for the first however many
• 47:02
  minutes, 1st 1015 minutes of whatever it is.
• 47:05
  I haven't done the math, obviously.
• 47:06
  That's a good way to put it. Throws me off of like why do I
• 47:09
  why do I give a shit until the very end when right the match is
• 47:12
  officially begun. I plus it's war games.
• 47:15
  That's what it's called. I want someone to obliterate it,
• 47:17
  you know? And not, no, I'm not going to
• 47:18
  spoil what happens here, but come on.
• 47:21
  Poof. It's like a fucking dusty fart
• 47:25
  at the end of the day. So NWO wins the coin toss and
• 47:29
  Nash is out. Next.
• 47:31
  We've got Dibiase at ringside. You just fart who just farted.
• 47:35
  I heard that so about dusty fart.
• 47:37
  That was work. That was work rate.
• 47:39
  I could tell. I could tell.
• 47:42
  That made me a fart 191 episodes in.
• 47:46
  Oh God, I'm sorry. 15 seconds remaining after the advantage
• 47:52
  and Luger enters the match. Of course it's Luger and he's
• 47:56
  coming down and he's entering the ring like 30 seconds way too
• 48:00
  early. They have the countdown on the
• 48:03
  corner of our of our television screen and here we go.
• 48:06
  And they luckily they did not acknowledge it like Luke's.
• 48:10
  Luger doesn't care. He's going to enter the match
• 48:12
  early. Think they're like in the back,
• 48:15
  like oh man, Luger, he can't read, can't count.
• 48:17
  Just set him out there. Just get him out there.
• 48:19
  Oh God, get some water in that hair too.
• 48:22
  His hair's like all puffy and like it's holding on to the less
• 48:25
  strings of his hair. You know what, though, I got to
• 48:27
  say like we dump on this guy on the show all the time, but he
• 48:29
  looks kind of like, I'm not making a joke or anything.
• 48:32
  He looks like rehabilitated here after his WF time.
• 48:35
  And he was, he was kind of a joke.
• 48:37
  I'm, I'm serious here. I'm giving Lugar credit like
• 48:40
  it's not just. Set up for he's back home he's.
• 48:42
  Comfortable. Yes, he is back home and
• 48:44
  comfortable and he's treated like a star.
• 48:46
  Right, He's very much treated like a star.
• 48:49
  He fits in the Horseman, he fits next to Slayer, next to ARN.
• 48:52
  Like it. It makes sense for Luger here
• 48:55
  and Luger WWF is a whole nother candy arms that we dumped on in
• 49:00
  the past and me most of all with.
• 49:02
  I think they did him dirty in WWFI.
• 49:04
  Don't think that's, you know, news to anybody.
• 49:06
  And we we're not fans on this show.
• 49:08
  But like they did not use him well, especially in the post
• 49:12
  Hogan era. That doesn't make sense, but we
• 49:15
  could save that for another day. So Hogan enters the match and
• 49:19
  once again, in my opinion, this is a nightmare.
• 49:23
  You'd think this is WCWS first war games or something.
• 49:26
  The way it's shot, you don't even see Hogan coming down the
• 49:29
  aisle. Like again, so anti climatic.
• 49:33
  You don't see anybody coming out from the curtain.
• 49:35
  They're already like halfway down the aisle when the camera
• 49:38
  fraught finally shoots to all these guys.
• 49:41
  Now do you think? Dash is running down like the
• 49:43
  head of steam. Yeah.
• 49:45
  Do you think that there's any upgrade if they put music for
• 49:50
  these entrances? I think so.
• 49:51
  Or maybe we're just trained from the excitement of like not
• 49:55
  knowing who's going to come out next and like the build and
• 49:59
  there's no build to who's going to come out next.
• 50:01
  Will all their music be the same though too?
• 50:04
  Exactly. That's what it's exactly going
• 50:05
  to say. Law there that this is horseman
• 50:08
  all horsemen music versus all NWO music.
• 50:11
  You'd hear the same thing over and over again, but you just
• 50:13
  hear that generic rock music behind buffer.
• 50:15
  It's the only music that you hear throughout the entire
• 50:17
  event. But this is this is not WWF
• 50:21
  right. This is not the pageantry and
• 50:23
  the wildness of, you know, the new Gen. era that's happening at
• 50:27
  this point in time. And this is wrestling, right
• 50:30
  with an R, not AWR. Like that's what this is.
• 50:33
  And there's a whole nother vibe to it that I feel like we are
• 50:37
  trying to really analyze this and look at this through Aww.
• 50:41
  Yeah, right. You're right, so maybe it's not
• 50:43
  fair. I don't believe it's fair.
• 50:45
  I think that there are some redeeming qualities here.
• 50:48
  I think that there are some fun pieces of this match and you
• 50:51
  guys are dumping all over it. But we'll save my opinion for
• 50:54
  cancer in the court. Sorry, so the match I I enjoyed
• 50:57
  the match trial as a match. Itself, I have no problem.
• 50:59
  I just, I really did not enjoy the delivery of everything.
• 51:03
  I think. I think there's a way that they
• 51:05
  could have built stuff. And again, like those are early
• 51:08
  War games matches I loved. I think the presentation is
• 51:12
  really cool. I just think this is super
• 51:14
  sloppy. There's a lot of very sloppy
• 51:16
  things in it. But after Hogan comes down,
• 51:20
  Flair is the 6th man out, right? We now have six men in the ring.
• 51:24
  He wants Hogan. He calls Hogan into the ring by
• 51:27
  himself. They start to work alone but
• 51:29
  Hogan Flair with his dirty tricks uses brass knuckles on
• 51:32
  Hogan hits a low blow on Nash he you know classic it.
• 51:36
  It is a cool sequence. He knocks out Hogan with the
• 51:39
  brass knuckles crowds very tuned.
• 51:42
  He drops to his knees low blows. Nash stands up.
• 51:45
  Then he lifts his leg and and with like his calf gives the you
• 51:50
  know that low blow shot to Hall so like it.
• 51:53
  It's fun WCWS gaining steam as we're about to get the 4th.
• 51:57
  Man that. Was probably my favorite
• 51:59
  sequence of the. Yeah, I.
• 52:02
  Agree doing all this. And again, like, like, like you
• 52:05
  guys said, it's flair country. So of course they're going to be
• 52:09
  hot for him. And this is what we finally
• 52:11
  needed in this match, I think. Yep, Yep, there was definitely a
• 52:15
  ramp up once Flair comes out there and grabs his crotch and
• 52:18
  thrusts that Hulk Hogan. Yeah, that's where he's thrust.
• 52:22
  I think this day and this day and age and and I think forever
• 52:26
  really crowd crowd plays a huge part in things, right.
• 52:30
  We're about to get our first mystery partner and it's the NW
• 52:35
  OS 4th member and it's quote UN quote sting, right.
• 52:40
  The crowd doesn't buy it. There's there's no booze.
• 52:44
  It's it's bizarre. They're like, wouldn't the crowd
• 52:47
  be booing the piss out of this guy right now?
• 52:50
  If. They think he joined the NWO.
• 52:52
  Or is it? Not right.
• 52:54
  So they don't. There's nothing.
• 52:55
  They don't buy it at all. That's true.
• 52:59
  So we know that they didn't buy it, was it?
• 53:01
  Well, yeah, because that you can hear them.
• 53:04
  Can't we want sting? We want Sting, Yeah.
• 53:07
  There it is. OK.
• 53:07
  Thank you. So I will say this guy, whoever
• 53:11
  the hell this guy is, Jim Armor, finally they do a the the
• 53:17
  production team finally, in my opinion, does a solid job of
• 53:20
  never giving us a clean shot of this guy's face, right.
• 53:24
  It's always his back and. What's They don't give you a
• 53:27
  clean shot. They don't give you a clean shot
• 53:29
  of anybody's face. That's no.
• 53:30
  That's a job. Shots think he's like wide.
• 53:33
  Yeah, and they but he looks like Sting, right?
• 53:36
  His physique looks like Sting. His size, his the face paint,
• 53:40
  the the gear. It's you know, I'm like, OK,
• 53:43
  this this works except for the fact that the crowd doesn't buy
• 53:47
  it. So then if the crowd doesn't buy
• 53:50
  it like we're watching this event, The Crown doesn't buy it,
• 53:54
  but Shivani, Dusty and Heenan are trying to sell it like it's
• 53:57
  sting. That's where it just doesn't
• 54:00
  work, yes. How could you like, you know
• 54:04
  that's that's. Where the whole thing?
• 54:07
  Just really is a hot mess for me.
• 54:10
  He looks more like staying than you know, bogus razor.
• 54:14
  Bogus, right? I mean the face paint helps but.
• 54:18
  In 96 is pre HDTV as well, so you're watching on pay-per-view
• 54:23
  at home. You don't even really know that
• 54:26
  it is or is not. Or at least I would assume that
• 54:29
  in 19. 66 What's his name again? Jeff was Jeff.
• 54:32
  Farmer Jeff Farmer, He was in WCW from 93 to 94 and then in
• 54:38
  the Indies a little bit. He was on a he was a part of A
• 54:41
  tag team called Thunder and Lightning.
• 54:43
  I don't remember his other, his other partner there.
• 54:46
  It's the name is escaping me but.
• 54:48
  He's he's also in the 1st and 64 wrestling game, which is WCW
• 54:52
  versus NWO World Tour, right alongside luminaries like who,
• 54:57
  Michael powder keg and was the claw that lobster thing in there
• 55:01
  right. Yeah, I think so.
• 55:03
  They. Had ladder.
• 55:03
  Yeah, it was the first one before revenge, and he's in
• 55:07
  there. Jeff Farmer's in a video game.
• 55:09
  Are you? Are you?
• 55:11
  No. None of us are.
• 55:12
  So we can't talk too much yet. What's a good point?
• 55:17
  I know. I've I've moved myself in in in
• 55:20
  in the WWF games. Does that count?
• 55:23
  Yes, well now you just ruined my point.
• 55:25
  Thank. You So here we go here comes out
• 55:28
  Sting. He goes face to face with the
• 55:30
  fake Sting as he he tries to clean house but sting end up
• 55:37
  leaving WCW. It gives them a big FU like
• 55:40
  screw you guys you didn't leave. Very emo.
• 55:43
  Very emo. Is that enough proof for you?
• 55:45
  Yeah. Is that enough proof for you and
• 55:48
  he just leaves? Is this very Every Time I die?
• 55:51
  Is that an emo band? I I don't necessarily call them
• 55:54
  emo, but that is one of my favorite bands hands down of of
• 55:58
  ever. The Big Dirty is maybe one of my
• 56:01
  top five albums of all time. So yes, you, you can make fun of
• 56:06
  me all you want and call it Pat Curley Music.
• 56:08
  All right, fine, fine. How?
• 56:09
  All right, All right. Well, I'm gonna stop your
• 56:11
  tangent. Is he like screaming
• 56:12
  infidelities? Yeah, a little bit more
• 56:14
  Dashboard Confessional. Yes, that's more that's more of
• 56:17
  what you're talking about. So every time I die is not not
• 56:20
  that in any way, shape or form he's.
• 56:22
  He's really crying about it though.
• 56:24
  You don't believe it. Trust.
• 56:27
  Yeah, like your little brother, like did something and.
• 56:30
  You watch the Crow. The Butcher from the Butcher
• 56:36
  from AW. That's the lead guitar player
• 56:39
  for every time I die. Meanwhile, meanwhile, hold on.
• 56:44
  Hold on, guys, got you're getting off track.
• 56:46
  Hold on. Meanwhile, this supposed Sting
• 56:50
  turned on his best buddies, right?
• 56:53
  I know there's no cell phones but you're telling me these
• 56:57
  Dicks couldn't contact Sting for six days and.
• 57:01
  Fine, dying to get in touch with down.
• 57:03
  It wasn't. Me, it wasn't me.
• 57:05
  You'd be calling them the next day.
• 57:07
  It's just the story doesn't add up.
• 57:10
  If I said I couldn't do the podcast, yeah, If I said I
• 57:14
  couldn't do the podcast like tonight, and then like I
• 57:16
  listened and someone else was on there, be like, yo, I'd be like
• 57:20
  blowing you guys up. That was not me.
• 57:23
  And they called themselves Gigolo Jimmy Del Bay.
• 57:26
  Yeah, he. Did a terrible Stu Hart
• 57:28
  impression or something? Well, that's that's, yeah.
• 57:35
  So Fake Sting puts Lex in the Scorpion deathlock and he's got
• 57:40
  it locked in as Hogan holds him down.
• 57:42
  Lex passes out and WCW wins the match.
• 57:47
  So bogus sting gets the pin, the submission here, right?
• 57:50
  Yeah. They raised.
• 57:52
  That cage so. They got to give credit to Hogan
• 57:54
  doing a headlock, too. Hogan.
• 57:58
  Yeah, Sting. Sting has the scorpion or or
• 58:02
  bogus. Sting has the scorpion.
• 58:03
  Death lock in and Hogan comes in and locks in a front face lock
• 58:07
  and that's what it was. Too much for Lex?
• 58:09
  Yeah, yeah. Like he's sad, though.
• 58:12
  He was sad. Yeah, Oh yeah.
• 58:14
  Lugar, Lugar. Chronoid Sting.
• 58:17
  No Stinger. Stinger, Stinger his hands like
• 58:22
  reaching for him and then he gets attacked, thankfully by
• 58:24
  National in the aisle. And again, they raised that cage
• 58:28
  so fast. But then out of nowhere, where
• 58:32
  does where does Savage come from?
• 58:34
  He doesn't come from the back. He comes from like the opposite
• 58:37
  end of the arena, out of nowhere down the aisle to attack.
• 58:41
  Really. You're you're no selling the the
• 58:43
  the Luger piece of this too. Luger gets out of the rearing
• 58:47
  and is crawling on his hands and knees.
• 58:49
  Yeah, that's. What I'm?
• 58:50
  Saying yeah, it it's it's unbelievable to watch like
• 58:55
  literally crawling like a like a kid trying to be a dog like
• 59:00
  child. It was so bizarre.
• 59:02
  And then that's when I realized that the cage was already up
• 59:04
  because you're looking in the background and there's nothing
• 59:07
  there. And and then yes, Randy Savage
• 59:11
  just appears even though he just got the shit kicked out of him
• 59:14
  in the previous match. And here he is coming out again,
• 59:17
  trying to be the savior for WCWI Just.
• 59:21
  It's I like how Flair and Oren have like one last gasp of juice
• 59:25
  here. Do you know what's crazy?
• 59:27
  They. Essentially have to say F it
• 59:28
  and. Bounce.
• 59:28
  Yeah, they're out of there. I have.
• 59:30
  One simple fix to this match. How about we ditch the whole
• 59:34
  fake Sting bullshit and put the Giant on NWO team and Macho Man
• 59:40
  on team WCW. Boom.
• 59:42
  Then we've got a real War games match.
• 59:44
  None of the BS I wonder like. I wonder if the giant would fit
• 59:49
  in the cage like when you. Watch a good point when.
• 59:51
  You watch Nash, that's how it's very close to the top of the
• 59:55
  cage and they're they shoot it at one point where they're like
• 59:57
  looking up at him and it looks like his head is able to scrape
• 1:00:00
  the top of it. But yeah, that's a side note.
• 1:00:03
  Again, my opinion that would have or.
• 1:00:05
  Or a bigger cage. Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Macho Man, but again, Macho Man pay-per-view is going to
• 1:00:11
  challenge Hulk Hogan for the title right in like a month and
• 1:00:15
  a half. Why is Macho Man not leading the
• 1:00:19
  charge for Team WCW? It it I don't know it it doesn't
• 1:00:24
  add up. Was this like, I wonder how far
• 1:00:27
  in advance they've wanted the crow sting to be a thing?
• 1:00:31
  It's like they're working very hard to get there.
• 1:00:34
  That's if that's what this is all about.
• 1:00:37
  So also in my opinion, if you're doing what you're about to do
• 1:00:41
  right, they beat down Macho Man to the point where Miss
• 1:00:45
  Elizabeth comes out and she tries to save him even though
• 1:00:48
  they're not aligned on WCW television right now, which is
• 1:00:51
  kind of like breaking kayfabe right now.
• 1:00:53
  And you know, they get degraded in the middle of the ring.
• 1:00:57
  I. Think even Bobby goes like she
• 1:00:59
  loves them like. Yeah, still loves them, man.
• 1:01:02
  Yep, she didn't even says like isn't she part of the NWO?
• 1:01:07
  It's it's a bizarre. But they both get spray painted
• 1:01:10
  on down. Their back with the NWO.
• 1:01:13
  What does he write on? What does he write on?
• 1:01:16
  NWO for life. For life.
• 1:01:17
  OK, usually it's just NWO. What do you like Run a sentence?
• 1:01:22
  Right on our buttocks. Yeah, he wrote the He spray
• 1:01:25
  painted the four on one cheek and the L.
• 1:01:27
  Yeah, it was like, yeah, man. It's the whole again.
• 1:01:31
  It just doesn't add up. It gets heavy heat though,
• 1:01:35
  because Hogan's in the middle of the ring and right as he is
• 1:01:38
  spray painting Liz, the entire crowd is chanting Hogan sucks.
• 1:01:42
  And that's when Hogan goes and grabs the mic and calls them two
• 1:01:45
  pieces of trash he's doing. Hogan does a lot of spitting in
• 1:01:49
  this era. Giant giant barking.
• 1:01:53
  Times. Literally barking in the ring.
• 1:01:56
  He he spits on Liz, directly on Liz.
• 1:01:59
  And Macho catches some shrapnel as well I'm sure.
• 1:02:01
  But now, just like 2 months ago or two plus months ago, trash is
• 1:02:05
  being thrown into the ring and we got the awesome cover art
• 1:02:09
  that Nick used for this episode. You have the NWO posing hanging
• 1:02:13
  over the ring. And then this feels like I, I
• 1:02:17
  brought the clip, but it feels like giant just finds a camera
• 1:02:21
  and starts talking into it. And this is the that doesn't
• 1:02:24
  work for me brother moment of the month because here comes
• 1:02:27
  Hogan the guy. Oh no, this guy can't be on the
• 1:02:30
  camera. It's got to be me.
• 1:02:31
  Let's let's take a listen. I think I'm Michelangelo.
• 1:02:35
  Maybe Davinci, probably the greatest artist in the.
• 1:02:39
  World, I can tell you. Right now, one time big man,
• 1:02:43
  whether you like it or you don't, it's the best thing going
• 1:02:48
  today. Hey, look, thank you for that
• 1:02:51
  movie contract too. Thank you for that movie
• 1:02:54
  contract. But this is like a microcosm for
• 1:02:57
  everything that Nick has said to this point of like how chaotic
• 1:03:01
  it is, how the presentation is shitty because listen to that
• 1:03:04
  clip. You have the Giant literally
• 1:03:06
  just talking into a camera face and face, and then the
• 1:03:10
  announcers start talking over him.
• 1:03:12
  And then the announcers aren't making any sense.
• 1:03:14
  And then Hogan butts in and Hogan is taking over the screen
• 1:03:17
  because nobody else can be on it.
• 1:03:19
  And then at the end of it you have a Hogan Hawk and a huge
• 1:03:22
  loogie onto the camera itself. I'm usually not a queasy stomach
• 1:03:27
  kind of guy that. Nasty.
• 1:03:29
  It was a nasty spat. That got me.
• 1:03:31
  It was. It was like 10 Owen Hart corner
• 1:03:34
  spittles, like all in one. The bookies.
• 1:03:37
  Spittle is gross enough. This was like, yeah, no, too
• 1:03:40
  much. All.
• 1:03:44
  Right so let's let's give cans in the cooler to this war games
• 1:03:48
  match. I feel like I could do a massive
• 1:03:51
  math equation right now like let's start off with five cans
• 1:03:55
  in the cooler deduct the can for this deduct the can for that I
• 1:03:59
  land at 3 cans in the cooler. The match was like it was well
• 1:04:04
  again, I said it a few times, the the match itself wasn't what
• 1:04:09
  I had a problem with. It was the the Sting storyline
• 1:04:13
  was one thing that I didn't think worked out great, but it
• 1:04:17
  was the the presentation of it all was just not good at all and
• 1:04:21
  it dropped it significantly in my eyes.
• 1:04:27
  I'm with the other three. That's that's what I gave it.
• 1:04:29
  I it was I was close to like a three 3.5 because I enjoyed the
• 1:04:33
  wrestling, enjoyed the match. I thought the crowd was pretty
• 1:04:36
  hot for things, but. Yeah, it's fun to see like, in
• 1:04:41
  this day and age, start to interrupt in this day and age
• 1:04:43
  where like, people will be dumping on how quickly WWE
• 1:04:49
  recently abandoned the John Cena heel turn, right?
• 1:04:52
  We're going to look back at that.
• 1:04:53
  It's fun to look at this 2 1/2 months after Bash at the Beach
• 1:04:58
  and the iconic Hogan turn and creation of NWO and see how
• 1:05:03
  quickly the wheels are coming off.
• 1:05:05
  I was going to ask you I I'll let you guys, I have one
• 1:05:08
  question and then you guys after you guys give your grades, your
• 1:05:12
  cans. Go ahead, Mike.
• 1:05:15
  Oh I actually gave it like 2.75. I can pump it up to a three
• 1:05:21
  though. But I agree with everything you
• 1:05:24
  guys are saying. Just the production is is
• 1:05:27
  garbage. The ending sucked.
• 1:05:30
  Yeah, the production is garbage. The ending sucked.
• 1:05:33
  The the match itself besides that was pretty good.
• 1:05:37
  You know it's watchable. Yeah, it's what you'd expect
• 1:05:40
  from all these heavy hitters like.
• 1:05:42
  Yes. Yeah, it was.
• 1:05:44
  I was entertained, but was will I go back and watch it again and
• 1:05:51
  again? Not really.
• 1:05:53
  I man, oh man, oh man, you guys, you.
• 1:05:57
  Guys, here's a, here's a, here's a four queued up.
• 1:06:00
  Yeah, 4's in the chamber, man. It's come extra 4/4 cans in the
• 1:06:04
  cooler. Holy crap all.
• 1:06:06
  Right what I wrote down, I wrote down 4 cans in the cooler.
• 1:06:09
  I was absolutely entertained. I like everything.
• 1:06:13
  And I'm not talking about the the full card.
• 1:06:15
  The full card was fun to go back.
• 1:06:17
  And just the main. But the main event to me is WCW
• 1:06:22
  bizarro land for the these WWF guys that are coming in and re
• 1:06:26
  watching it right it I loved revisiting the early stages of
• 1:06:31
  NWO and them coming to power really.
• 1:06:34
  And this was a major stepping stone in planting the flag into
• 1:06:38
  hey, we're taking over brother. Like this is no longer WCW and
• 1:06:42
  it's going to start to be NWO slash WCW, right?
• 1:06:46
  Like it was a fun period that I didn't remember most of the
• 1:06:52
  small pieces of the storytelling.
• 1:06:55
  And even in the beginning when you watch that opening promo, I
• 1:06:58
  found myself questioning sting joint NWO in the very beginning.
• 1:07:03
  Like, I don't, I don't remember that.
• 1:07:04
  And then you're like, oh, it's bizarro sting.
• 1:07:06
  It's yeah, bogus sting, NWO sting, whatever you want to say,
• 1:07:09
  Jeff, Jeff Farmer to me, I like sure.
• 1:07:15
  I I guess I didn't harp on the presentation as much because to
• 1:07:19
  me WCW especially pre 97 is still wrestling To me it's not
• 1:07:24
  sports entertainment. It's going to turn into that
• 1:07:26
  with NWO and really the the height of the of the Monday
• 1:07:30
  Night wars. But like this was fun to go back
• 1:07:33
  and see bizarroland WWF guys fighting within the origin story
• 1:07:39
  of NWO. Like to me it was entertaining
• 1:07:42
  enough to give it 4 cans in the cooler.
• 1:07:44
  The double sting, like we, we love double doing.
• 1:07:48
  What's the difference between double sting?
• 1:07:50
  You know, like that's to me it was, it was a fun watch that
• 1:07:54
  Mike said he wouldn't go back and watch it over and over
• 1:07:56
  again. I had fun going back.
• 1:07:58
  I probably. Wouldn't have fun this time, but
• 1:08:01
  yeah, probably over and over again.
• 1:08:02
  I don't. Know no.
• 1:08:04
  The second over is probably too much for me, but it was fun to
• 1:08:06
  go back and watch and I encourage somebody else to go
• 1:08:09
  back and watch it as well. And for any WCW guy like Tear,
• 1:08:14
  tear us Apart. Man, yeah.
• 1:08:15
  Oh, by all means. Tell us why that this was, you
• 1:08:19
  know, the height of of coming to power.
• 1:08:21
  For yeah, we have a discord. You don't need to text us, by
• 1:08:24
  the way. No, but in all seriousness, I
• 1:08:27
  think my issue with it is that I I think it could have been more
• 1:08:31
  impactful, right? NWO was all about these guys
• 1:08:35
  joining and turning and this, I think like the whole sting thing
• 1:08:40
  just is goofy and it could have been that much better if it was.
• 1:08:45
  There's just a lot of flaws with.
• 1:08:47
  It it like the IT the surprise factor could have been so much
• 1:08:51
  better if the 4th member was different.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah, I think it's I think it comes down to the fact and
• 1:08:57
  here's my question for you guys is like the peak of NW OS the
• 1:09:01
  bash of the beach, right. Like it's downhill from there.
• 1:09:03
  Yeah, right. It's downhill 100%.
• 1:09:05
  I mean, I mean, that's not maybe.
• 1:09:06
  Actually, when? When Vincent.
• 1:09:09
  OK Virgil, it's then is when they like gave it the paddles
• 1:09:12
  and it's back alive. Again.
• 1:09:13
  But right, like Macho Man, Macho Man loses to Hogan at at
• 1:09:19
  Halloween Havoc and then eventually he joins the NWO and
• 1:09:23
  then it's like everybody's it just, I don't know, it doesn't.
• 1:09:28
  Imagine. I think Hogan is the problem to
• 1:09:30
  be honest. Like not the dump on that guy
• 1:09:31
  recently deceased like. He's the one right in all this
• 1:09:34
  bullshit. It's so it's amazing the like
• 1:09:37
  the turn, that pop of the turn that him going heel is great,
• 1:09:42
  right? But that's the only good thing
• 1:09:43
  about it because then it's Hogan.
• 1:09:45
  Like imagine if they had one other guy come over with him,
• 1:09:48
  Shawn Michaels or something like that.
• 1:09:49
  Like like that's a totally different thing, right?
• 1:09:52
  And it maybe doesn't lead to like 800 people joining and just
• 1:09:57
  this bloated mess that the NWO becomes.
• 1:10:00
  I don't know. But I think I like the original
• 1:10:02
  idea of it, the outsiders. Like, that's the cool part of
• 1:10:05
  it. Agreed.
• 1:10:06
  So I and then this this kind of stuff that it's just the
• 1:10:09
  beginning of of. Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  You know, like. So we didn't even talk about the
• 1:10:16
  stipulations that NWO wanted the demands as a result of winning
• 1:10:22
  the demands. They had demands if they won and
• 1:10:25
  what? Was it again?
• 1:10:26
  They wanted their own show. Yes, that's what it was.
• 1:10:29
  And they wanted Pepe the dog. I'm serious.
• 1:10:35
  I think that, yeah. It's Pepe the dog.
• 1:10:38
  It's so crazy again. So then the, the, the idea of
• 1:10:41
  the surprise thing, maybe it's in my head because the next
• 1:10:43
  night on Nitro Xpoc, I'm sorry, 6 is ringside and debuts like
• 1:10:51
  it's just like, wait, you had this in your back pocket and.
• 1:10:54
  See that? Yeah, that's what you want.
• 1:10:56
  Like, come on. That's it's interesting that
• 1:10:59
  they give you that reveal at the pay-per-view.
• 1:11:02
  But isn't 6 like a last minute addition type of thing?
• 1:11:06
  Like isn't there a story behind Sixes?
• 1:11:08
  Maybe WCW that it was like on a whim in last minute?
• 1:11:12
  I guess I just gave myself homework for our house for our
• 1:11:16
  next episode. I have nothing written down, but
• 1:11:18
  the pens gotta come out. I like that the very last second
• 1:11:21
  you're like, I need your homework myself.
• 1:11:23
  What a what? A nerd.
• 1:11:24
  You're a nerd. Nerd Teacher's Teacher's pet.
• 1:11:28
  It's appropriate because class is over.
• 1:11:31
  You just gave yourself homework and All in all it was a fun way
• 1:11:35
  to return and get back behind the microphone and and talk to
• 1:11:38
  you guys and. Hang out.
• 1:11:39
  Nothing. Nothing gets us warmed up like
• 1:11:41
  crapping on WCW. Yeah, you can hit it.
• 1:11:45
  Let. Me tell you another thing about
• 1:11:47
  WCW that I hate. I hate WCW all right, all right,
• 1:11:53
  so thanks guys for making time. Tell all your friends that we're
• 1:12:00
  back, baby and we've had a lot of dumping on WCW to do and fall
• 1:12:06
  is fun. We are going to reaching our
• 1:12:10
  back pocket and dig out some random crap to to go over before
• 1:12:15
  we get into the thick of. You know random crap is our
• 1:12:18
  real. Hominia Season.
• 1:12:19
  I hope you, I hope you like DOA versus Blos Pariquis, because
• 1:12:23
  that's sweet. That's what Mike is trying to
• 1:12:25
  sell us, yeah. Get your shaving cream ready
• 1:12:29
  for, you know, your razor. You shave some backs, right?
• 1:12:33
  Seriously, I want I really would love to talk to people more that
• 1:12:37
  that are better educated on the WCW timeline.
• 1:12:41
  So you're more than welcome to hop in our Discord and.
• 1:12:44
  You think they're going to talk to us now?
• 1:12:46
  They're No, they're never talking to us again.
• 1:12:51
  Oh. God, don't forget to tell all of
• 1:12:54
  your friends about the Extra Cooler show available wherever
• 1:12:57
  you get your podcasts. Thank you guys for listening and
• 1:13:00
  we'll see you in two weeks. Thank you for that movie
• 1:13:03
  contract. Later telling you now what does
• 1:13:07
  this mean? Now I.
• 1:13:08
  Cannot believe the NWO has won This war games Tony, This war
• 1:13:12
  games has. Ended with the NWO.