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Ep. 742: Alpha-Gal, Timber Management, and Oozing Velvet Bucks | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome everybody to Meet Eater Radio Live. Welcome to Meet
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  Speaker 3: Eater Radio Live. I'm your host.
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  Speaker 2: Today, Clay Newcombe, straight out of Arkansas, and I'm pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure this will this will rank up there with the
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  Speaker 2: top Meet Eat Radio lives maybe of all time because
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  Speaker 2: of my co hosts, Brent Reeves and Tony Peterson.
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  Speaker 3: Great to see you boys.
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  Speaker 4: Brent, It's great to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Are you happy to be here? Why are you here?
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  Speaker 3: Why am I here?
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  Speaker 4: Because our boss told us to come here. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So we're in Bozeman this week, and Tony's and Bozeman.
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  Speaker 2: We're we're like that, we're a little bit of the
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  Speaker 2: of the what do you call it? When you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're like the extensions of media that live out in
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  Speaker 2: the real world out there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we live in Fort Arkansas.
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  Speaker 5: You live in We are definitely a touch point to
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  Speaker 5: real people where we live and what we do.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us, where do you live, Tony?
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  Speaker 5: I live in just central Minnesota, Central Minnesota, far cry
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  Speaker 5: from Bozeman.
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  Speaker 2: Did you know that bears in Minnesota have the largest
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  Speaker 2: in the expanding ranges between the eastern deciduous forests and
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  Speaker 2: the and the and the Great Plains. Minnesota black bears
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  Speaker 2: have the largest documented home ranges of any bears in
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  Speaker 2: North America.
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  Speaker 4: Black bears, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know that, but I believe that there's some there's
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  Speaker 2: some boers that have four hundred square mile home ranges.
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  Speaker 4: Holy cow.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell you what I live. I live in
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  Speaker 5: the suburbs just north of the cities. When everybody started
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  Speaker 5: getting ring cameras and all these next door Facebook things
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  Speaker 5: pages and stuff like that, the amount of awareness of
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  Speaker 5: black bear's just general population stuff went through the roof crazy.
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  Speaker 4: They're everywhere crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to give you a chance in just
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  Speaker 2: a second to introduce yourself with Brent. But on today's show,
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  Speaker 2: we are in Montana and we're gonna interview a Tennessee
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  Speaker 2: wildlife biologist who's been diagnosed with Alpha gal which is
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  Speaker 2: a major deal, really interesting tick boar and illness. And
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna take you way back to a throwback Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: one of the Meat Eater Live favorites. We've got some
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  Speaker 2: great photos from Tony, Brent and I that have never
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  Speaker 2: been shown before, never will be shown again. We'll be
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  Speaker 2: deleted off the Internet after this. These are these kind
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  Speaker 2: of photos, folks, We're gonna show those. Then we're going
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  Speaker 2: to go back to talk with the director of the
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  Speaker 2: Public Timber Project, Each Stewart, And finally we're going to
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  Speaker 2: wrap up with a multiary trail camera contest, velvet contest, and.
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  Speaker 4: Also we'll be talking to Ronnie Cohen, who is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah Tennessee Wildlife Biologists.
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  Speaker 4: Oh is that you? You did that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I said that like about ten seconds.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's an echo. I wasn't listening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, uh so that's gonna be great. And then
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna go back and get some listener questions. So
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  Speaker 2: we really appreciate everybody signing on and we're going to uh,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna talk to everybody online.
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  Speaker 2: It's really cool to have everybody there. So Brent Reeves,
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  Speaker 2: sir man, what have you been doing? What's what are
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  Speaker 2: you excited about?
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 6: I'm getting ready for a big hunt in Northern Canada
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  Speaker 6: and Manitoba in September. Just finished the project just about
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  Speaker 6: a month ago in Kansas on some decoy decoy dog
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  Speaker 6: stuff with coats. Now getting ready to go on this
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  Speaker 6: this moose hunt. Absolute dream hunt for me archery moose hunt,
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  Speaker 6: but I'm may I may take a have a rifle
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  Speaker 6: and backup. We get to the ninth ending and we
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  Speaker 6: ain't got any meat in the freezer because I am
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  Speaker 6: counting on.
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  Speaker 4: I had a piece of moose steak that you cooked
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  Speaker 4: from one of the ones that you killed, and it's fabulous.
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  Speaker 4: So the ultimate goal is to fill the freezer. Second
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  Speaker 4: goal would be to do it with.
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  Speaker 2: Archery, Tony, I'll tell you what I told Brent, and
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  Speaker 2: don't I really don't want to influence him in any
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  Speaker 2: unnatural way. But I've decided on the big, big hunts
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  Speaker 2: in wild country that I've never been in that are
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  Speaker 2: kind of like these once in a lifetime, once in
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  Speaker 2: three decade type trips to take a bow, which a
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  Speaker 2: bow is what I've gravitated towards since I was a kid.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I typically want to do is bow hunt,
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  Speaker 2: and I have taken a bow on some of those trips,
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  Speaker 2: and I find that rather enjoying this wild country that
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  Speaker 2: I'm in for ten days of my life, I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: about the limiting factor of that hunt, which is trying
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  Speaker 2: to get within forty yards of that animal and kill
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  Speaker 2: it with a boat rather than enjoined being there. So
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  Speaker 2: the I get, the more I'm kind of like less
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  Speaker 2: interested in the weapon on a hunt like that. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm hunting somewhere else, I might be like I'm
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  Speaker 2: taking a bow. Do you understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely understand what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think?
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  Speaker 5: It's just different strokes man, Like I wouldn't people ask
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  Speaker 5: me about moose hunting all the time. I wouldn't moose
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  Speaker 5: hunt with anything other than a bow, just like for
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  Speaker 5: me personally, that's what I'd want to do. But I
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  Speaker 5: get I absolutely get what you would do. Or you
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  Speaker 5: have that backup rifle with you. And to your point, Clay,
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  Speaker 5: I find myself even though like I just I just
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  Speaker 5: love bow hunting more than anything. But I find myself
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  Speaker 5: more and more where I'm like, I just want to
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  Speaker 5: be someplace really special, Like I don't care about going
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  Speaker 5: here because I can kill a big one here or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: It's like I want to be in those places before
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  Speaker 5: I get too old. And so you know, the weapon
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  Speaker 5: choice for me is like it's just kind of setting stone.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just that's just the way I am. But the
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  Speaker 5: important thing. It's the same thing as you're talking about, Like,
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  Speaker 5: I want that experience. I want to be in those places. Yeah, yep, it's.
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  Speaker 4: A big part of it. I'm just looking forward to.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going with some good folks, Craig McCarthy North Mountain
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  Speaker 6: Adventures and there. I mean those folks. I killed a
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  Speaker 6: bear with them last year, a big old chocolate bear.
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  Speaker 6: And they're just good folks. They actually came down went
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  Speaker 6: coon hunting with us, whole family. Just good folks, good folks.
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  Speaker 6: Where you went with me? What's up where you.
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  Speaker 4: Went with me? Down that? They came right right right
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  Speaker 4: doctor Camp. Yeah m hm.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the hunt you're excited about, Tony, what's the
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  Speaker 2: what's the hunt this fall.
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  Speaker 4: You're excited about.
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, this is going to be a little crazy, but
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  Speaker 5: I picked up permission to bear hunt in Minnesota in
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  Speaker 5: this on this property. It's only an hour from my house,
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  Speaker 5: so the lightest lift to get there that I've ever
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  Speaker 5: had for a bear hunt, you know, for a do
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  Speaker 5: it yourself deal. And I'm not going to hunt them,
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  Speaker 5: but my daughters. You know, one of my daughters shot
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  Speaker 5: one in Wisconsin last year. One of them hunted Wisconsin
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  Speaker 5: didn't get one, and so this is a no quota zone.
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  Speaker 5: We won't have big bears, but we should have some
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  Speaker 5: to work with. And I'm like, weirdly excited about that
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  Speaker 5: because both of my daughters are just geeked up to
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  Speaker 5: hunt bears, probably because they know I'm gonna pull them
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  Speaker 5: out of school the first week of school or first two.
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  Speaker 5: You know they're gonna get some vacation time early for this.
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  Speaker 5: But that one has kind of caught me off guard
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  Speaker 5: because bears haven't always been my thing, but when my
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  Speaker 5: daughters want to hunt them in it's fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool. You always say that.
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  Speaker 2: It always surprises me because you're known as the whitetail guy,
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  Speaker 2: so I always think you're gonna be like, oh this
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  Speaker 2: tag that I got here there, And like almost every
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  Speaker 2: year I talk to you, you tell me something about
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  Speaker 2: a bear and I'm like, I mean, I want to
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  Speaker 2: hear some comments. Do you think Tony's feeding me what
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear? Is he feeding Klay Nukem wan
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  Speaker 2: Clay Nukem wants to hear or is he being honest
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  Speaker 2: with the world. I want to hear the comments there.
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  Speaker 2: How authentic that was? I think he's telling the truth.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, when you do what we do for
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  Speaker 5: a job, and like, I love the whitetail hunts. I
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  Speaker 5: have a I'm going to go try to decoy one
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  Speaker 5: in late October in western North Dakota, which is a
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  Speaker 5: place I just love to hunt.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I'm excited about that.
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  Speaker 5: But we sort of take whitetail hunts for granted because
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  Speaker 5: we do a lot of them, and that's just like
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  Speaker 5: such an omnipresent part of your life. So anything that
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  Speaker 5: I can deviate, that's just different, right if I can
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  Speaker 5: deviate outside of it. And I just I feel like
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  Speaker 5: I learn a lot when I bear hunt, because I'm
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  Speaker 5: not very good at the same thing with duck hunting.
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  Speaker 5: When I go duck hunting, I'm like, I'm not very
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  Speaker 5: good at this, and I just.
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  Speaker 4: Enjoy it, but because I'm figuring the novelty of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was with Brenton Tony all week.
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  Speaker 2: We're here at the at the the Meat Eater Go
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  Speaker 2: to market meeting for the For the year or so,
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  Speaker 2: we've been seeing all the new first light products that
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  Speaker 2: are coming out. FHF gear products, Dave Smith decoy stuff,
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  Speaker 2: FELP stuff, we've been seeing all that. And I heard
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  Speaker 2: Brent the other day casually talking to Tony, who he's
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  Speaker 2: known for like a very long time, and Brent was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: how's Wisconsin And Tony's like, I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: live in Wisconsin, but Minnesota is great.
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  Speaker 4: It's not even close. And not even close.
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty much what happened. No, well, you got the
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  Speaker 3: state mixed up. Okay. People do this with with us
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  Speaker 3: in the South.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, you're from Mississippi, right, And I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not from Mississippi, and I'm like Arkansas and they go,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I mean it's kind of the same. How
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: many of you online do that between the Great Lake
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  Speaker 2: States and the Southern States? Like if you just kind
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  Speaker 2: of get it right that Tony's from somewhere up there,
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  Speaker 2: it's okay. And you know how many like which one
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  Speaker 2: do you get more confused with?
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  Speaker 3: Because I probably would have done the same thing, Tony.
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  Speaker 3: They're kind of all the same.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm from Minnesota and we have Steve from Michigan,
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  Speaker 5: Mark from Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: We have a lot of lot of dudes here from Michigan.
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  Speaker 5: People Michigan and Minnesota but I don't take offense to that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care at all.
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  Speaker 5: But I wondered if somebody says, oh, you're from Mississippi,
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  Speaker 5: does that like make your blood boiler?
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  Speaker 2: Are you like, say, hey, listen, the states like Arkansas
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  Speaker 2: and Mississippi, they're at the bottom of the pile for
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  Speaker 2: every single thing built into our culture as an insecurity complex.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like a it's like a it's like
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  Speaker 2: a sociological thing.
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  Speaker 3: We're built with it.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we're so passionate about the razorbacks. It's like
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  Speaker 2: the only thing we've got. So if you try to
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  Speaker 2: staple me to another state, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Like, dude, the only thing I got is this state.
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  Speaker 3: That's all I got going for me.
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  Speaker 5: How how much do you too think that you've personally
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  Speaker 5: elevated Arkansas just being from there?
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  Speaker 6: The governor probably has a worn out for our wrist. Probably,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I think we've probably we brought some
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  Speaker 6: eyes on Arkansas. We had a matter of fact, we
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  Speaker 6: had some guy contact that sent us an email that
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  Speaker 6: because of the stuff he was listening to on Bear
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  Speaker 6: Greece in this country Life, they were moving to Arkansas.
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  Speaker 3: I don't say that's so terrible.
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  Speaker 4: I seen him an email said, don't do that. We
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: were lying. Don't come. Did you ask him if he's
• 10:53
  Speaker 4: heard of Bozeman?
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  Speaker 3: You should move. Bozman's a great town.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I can't wait to see you guys photos.
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  Speaker 4: It's great. Is that next?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: But we are going to interview Ronnie Cohen Calwenh Ronnie is.
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  Speaker 3: I'll let him introduce hisself.
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  Speaker 2: But Ronnie is in Tennessee and we're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: with him about what he does, but specifically about alpha
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  Speaker 2: gal which is a tick born illness, which for years
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  Speaker 2: I've always told my kids. I was like, I'm more
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  Speaker 2: afraid of ticks than I am snakes. You know, when
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: I was a kid, it was the snakes that our
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  Speaker 2: moms were scared of. Today it's the ticks because they're
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  Speaker 2: way more consequential.
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  Speaker 3: Really. But if we can get Ronnie up, Hey, Ronny, can.
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  Speaker 7: You hear us, yes, sir?
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  Speaker 8: Can you hear me?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 2: Look at where you're tell us where you're standing. What
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  Speaker 2: do you got out in front of you there, Ronnie?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, So I'm at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville. Who
• 12:01
  Speaker 9: we're here at our ut gardens. It's a demonstration garden.
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  Speaker 9: We have native plant species ornamentals. That's very popular, and
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  Speaker 9: we do a lot of andrology hung tree stands out here.
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  Speaker 9: I do a lot of hunter advocacy and hunting skills education.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm standing behind Smoky four here. He is our
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  Speaker 9: school mascot. And I have a freezer queen here to
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  Speaker 9: my right that we teach shot placement. And we do
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  Speaker 9: a little bit of waterfowl stuff too in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 8: So I bought some teaching aids oh Man.
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  Speaker 2: So the blue tick, though, is a permanent Is that
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  Speaker 2: a permanent statue there?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, sir, Okay, sir. We have statues of Smoky all
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  Speaker 9: around the campus. This happens to be Smoky for we're
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  Speaker 9: all the way up to the young teens. Here are
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  Speaker 9: our official real mascot, the Smoky Dog. I think we're
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  Speaker 9: on twelve or thirteen. We've had several, but he is
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  Speaker 9: our official mascot here at the university.
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  Speaker 8: I love it, man.
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  Speaker 2: Every time I see that blue tick come out, I
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  Speaker 2: get fire it up. If I if I had a
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  Speaker 2: team other than the Razorbacks, it would be the Tennessee Balls.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I appreciate that it's true. It's true.
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  Speaker 2: I was I tailgated there last year at one of
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  Speaker 2: the big games with Brent.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, there's a lot of In fact, we saw Ronnie there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, we met Ronnie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I actually coon hunting with Ronnie and he can't here,
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  Speaker 6: and some of his friends came down hunted with me
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  Speaker 6: and Michael at at the Duck Camp and that's that's
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  Speaker 6: when Ronnie told me about contracting Alpha Gal. And it's
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  Speaker 6: it's interesting too because of his job. He's a wildlife
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  Speaker 6: biologist and he's with the Extension Service and they do
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  Speaker 6: a lot of educational stuff with kids there in Tendnessee
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  Speaker 6: and Ronnie's always out in the field teaching stuff to
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  Speaker 6: kids and stuff, and he's having to deal with this
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  Speaker 6: Alpha Gal and I thought it'd be interesting to have
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  Speaker 6: Ronnie on here to talk about how it's changed his life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, how did you How long have you had it? Ronnie?
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  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, what was that?
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  Speaker 3: How long have you had Alpha Gal?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: I've had Alpha Gal for about two and a half
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  Speaker 9: close to three years now, and I've contracted it what
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  Speaker 9: I suspect to be. During early arter season, pulled a
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  Speaker 9: bunch of ticks off of me, and it's the lone
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  Speaker 9: star tick that messes you up there down here in
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  Speaker 9: South and I suspected it came from that area because
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  Speaker 9: I was getting a bunch of ticks on me. But
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  Speaker 9: Brin's right, I'm out in the field a lot. I'm
• 14:25
  Speaker 9: an outdoor recreation specialist, so I'm in the woods a lot.
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  Speaker 9: And you know, if you recreate the South, you come
• 14:31
  Speaker 9: in contact the picks all the time?
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  Speaker 3: Was the tick?
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  Speaker 2: I've always heard that it's got to be on you
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  Speaker 2: for like over eight hours before you can get any
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  Speaker 2: kind of infection from the tick.
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  Speaker 3: Is that true?
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  Speaker 9: I'm not sure that's what I've heard too. I don't
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  Speaker 9: specialize in ticks or anything. Unfortunately, I just contracted this allergys.
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  Speaker 8: But yeah, I have.
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  Speaker 9: Heard that too, And you know, I tried to take
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  Speaker 9: here of that and pull them off. But you know,
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  Speaker 9: it's real easy to get those picks that you can't see,
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  Speaker 9: and they're not always real detectable. So yeah, if that
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  Speaker 9: is true, that that makes you feel a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Better that what is what's the internet say? Oh look, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Brent's gonna look at that. Well, tell us, tell us
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  Speaker 2: what alpha gal is for somebody that might not know
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  Speaker 2: and how it's affected you, Ronnie.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so alpha gal is an allergen to a carbohydrate
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  Speaker 9: in a million meat. There's a lot of misinformation out
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  Speaker 9: there that I have found because it's such a new thing.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 8: Some people call it just a.
• 15:33
  Speaker 9: Red meat alergism, but actually alpha gala is an allergen
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  Speaker 9: to alma million meat.
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  Speaker 8: So anything with fur or gives milk, you can't eat
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  Speaker 8: meat from it.
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  Speaker 9: So one night I had a really bad reaction. I
• 15:45
  Speaker 9: don't know how to explain it other than having lizard skin.
• 15:48
  Speaker 9: Woked up in a cold sweat and couldn't hardly breathe
• 15:53
  Speaker 9: and didn't know what was going on through the cold shower.
• 15:55
  Speaker 9: I took some ben a drill and ben a drill
• 15:57
  Speaker 9: puts me to sleep, so I was able to get
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: through that. I knew I needed help. Went to the
• 16:02
  Speaker 9: doctor and they got me into an allergist, and by
• 16:05
  Speaker 9: the time I got to see a specialist, I had
• 16:07
  Speaker 9: my second reaction. It was very similar, but with some
• 16:10
  Speaker 9: bad stomach issues. And eventually got into the allergists and
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: they were asking questions and.
• 16:17
  Speaker 8: He would say, you know, have you heard of Africa?
• 16:20
  Speaker 9: And I said, yeah, I'm a wildlife biologist, and I
• 16:23
  Speaker 9: do a lot in the outdoors. I've heard of that,
• 16:25
  Speaker 9: but I eat red meat every day and I don't
• 16:27
  Speaker 9: think that's it. He said, well, we're going to test
• 16:29
  Speaker 9: you anyways, and they did an official blood panel and
• 16:33
  Speaker 9: at that particular clinic, they said that I had the
• 16:35
  Speaker 9: highest levels of that allergism that they've ever seen. I
• 16:39
  Speaker 9: was living in Florida at the time, but coming back
• 16:41
  Speaker 9: up here in Tennessee and recreating, and so that was
• 16:44
  Speaker 9: really kind of life changing for me being a biologist,
• 16:48
  Speaker 9: and every meal that I eate had some kind of
• 16:50
  Speaker 9: meat in it.
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: So it's really life changing and.
• 16:53
  Speaker 9: Really hard to kind of mold around that, and it
• 16:55
  Speaker 9: changed how I hunted and and everything after finding that
• 16:58
  Speaker 9: news out.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: How do you eat now, Ronnie? Like you can eat?
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: You can eat chicken, birds, fish. Is that the kind
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: of protein you can eat?
• 17:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 17:08
  Speaker 9: So poultry, seafood, and fish. You know, I eat a
• 17:11
  Speaker 9: lot of And I tell my life if they ever
• 17:13
  Speaker 9: get over this on the root fried chicken sandwiches again
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: because he's here on the road, that's about the only
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: fast food you have. But luckily, you know, poultry is
• 17:20
  Speaker 9: pretty good. I do like seafood, but I do miss
• 17:25
  Speaker 9: red and meat and pork, and I'm just about giving
• 17:27
  Speaker 9: up breakfast because it's hard to have a good breakfast
• 17:29
  Speaker 9: without sausage and bacon. So when I do a protein
• 17:32
  Speaker 9: bar now and out the door.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Will you ever shed the allergy?
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Because I've heard of it kind of going up and
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: going down inside of people.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Do you think you'll ever shed it?
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: I have heard of people getting over it and the
• 17:48
  Speaker 9: allergies that I see here in Tennessee. They claim that
• 17:53
  Speaker 9: you can build a torrance to it, just like any
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: allergyen that sometimes it leaves, but other individuals have it
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: for the rest of their life. That really depends on
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: the person, and I think they need to do some
• 18:02
  Speaker 9: more research on it. But yeah, it can it can
• 18:04
  Speaker 9: come and go, and uh, there's different avenues. There's no
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: medicine for it that I'm aware of. There's some holistic
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: approaches with acupuncturing things that I have not tried. Some
• 18:14
  Speaker 9: people squear by it, but I have not been told
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: how that affects the allergy to the sugar molecule. But uh,
• 18:20
  Speaker 9: you know, it's a big deal to me because I'm
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: in the deer woods. I target deer species a lot
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: in my hunting, and when I would harvest a deer,
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: just the raw blood would bother me.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: You know, a deer hunting at all? Are you deer
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: hunting at all now?
• 18:36
  Speaker 9: So yeah, i still deer hunt, and I deer hunt
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: with friends, and so if I do harvest one, and
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: I've got some really good friends. When I harvest one,
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: they help me with it. And it uh for some reason,
• 18:46
  Speaker 9: the are the raw blood breaks me out and Alpha
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: Gael what's strange about it affects people differently in their sensitivity.
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: So some folks can't even stand the smell of it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: I'm I don't have that bad.
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: Of a reaction to it, but the raw blood wants
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: us been feel dressed and hanged. I can cut the meat,
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: I can work it, I can fabricate it. I was
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: a butcher in college, so we grew up doing our
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: own meat, our own processing. I can still do that
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: part of it. But getting out of the woods. The
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: first season after I had Alpha Gal, I harvested a
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: nice buck and just you know, moving the horns, taking
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: pictures of Griffin Grim's, I'd get the blood on them.
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: It would cause a lot of gets in a lot
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: of rotation, and so my friends helped me out. But still,
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: you know, it's it's had to change the way I hunt,
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: and luckily my good friends turned me on to birds.
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: I went on my first duck hunt a couple of
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: years ago and Arkansas, fell in love with it, came back,
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: bought a dog, a shotgun, and a new habit, and
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: so I've kind of changed. I grew up on the
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: side of a mountain here in East Tennessee, so that
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: so the duck hunt was totally new. And making a
• 19:55
  Speaker 9: long story short, in my job, I get new people
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: into hunting, and I grew up hunting as long as
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: I was old enough to toe the firearm.
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: So me having to.
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: Transition to another discipline, if you call it, really opened
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: my eyes what it needs to take to learn a
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: new skills. So even that you know, someone's very experienced
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: big game hunting for whitetail deer in Tennessee, transitioning the waterfowl,
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: it was a whole new ball game, and my responsibility
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: is getting other folks into it. So it actually I
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: think gave me a good perspective of how to do.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, hey, Ronnie, I got a question and I
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: did a podcast on about TIX several episodes ago, and
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: we talked about alpha gal and Rocky Mountain spotted fever
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: and the ones that are predominantly in the US. But
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: I had some folks contact me and reach out about
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: acupuncture treatment for alpha gal being a successful treatment. What's
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: your experience with that and have you discussed that with
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: anybody there, with your physician or anything.
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah, are, Yeah, my wife has was the first person
• 21:02
  Speaker 9: brought that to my attention. I know people personally have
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: done it, and they swear by it and they really
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: believe it, and uh, you know, I'm not a doctor.
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: I don't judge them, but it seems like to help it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: I do know that they really think it helps them.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: I've looked into further research and there's not a lot
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: out there, but I do know that it goes in
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: and out of remission or can as far as an
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: allergyen goes through, just through what I have seen, So
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: I don't know if they're experiencing just you know, a
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: delayed response, or if it's actually working. But my friends
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: that have done it, they go and they get acupunctury,
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: they get a series of needles in their ear and
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: they have to walk around for a couple of days
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: with those needles in their ear, they come back and
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: take it out.
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: But I don't know how that affects.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: The sugar out to eat red meat. Rodnie, I don't know.
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: I don't know if that's the answer, but I do
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: know those folks to truly believe it, and so I'm
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: not going to say it don't work.
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: It's just I don't know how it works, and I
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: haven't done that.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: So last question here from Tony Ronnie.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: So, Ronnie, I've lived in tick territory my whole life.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: I'm just curious after you got diagnosed with this and
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: it sort of changed the arc of your life and
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: you know, just your time in the outdoors, did you
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: kind of not take texas seriously before? And are you
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: pretty pretty vigilant about treatments, paying attention like how has
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: how has your preventative you know kind of mindset, How
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: has that changed ever since your diagnosis?
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, So I always thought I took ticks seriously. You know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: we were concerned about Rocky Mountain spot fever and lime
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: disease and things like that, and I would use your
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: sprays and your deets, and really where I hunted at
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: particularly worried about tiggers more than we did tick. We've
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: got a bad batch of them down here too. But
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: or I was pretty serious, But since I've caught this,
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: I've been real serious because Aler just says a great
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: way to get over this is to keep the ticks
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: off of you, which is a tall shore if you
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: recreate in the outdoors. So, uh, you know, I have
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: a pretty intensive plan where I dipped my clothes and
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: that breath or bar ether and however you pronounce it,
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: and then I spray deep and even you know this
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: is not maybe not the best advice, but you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: even putting around your ankles on bare skin, I don't
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: know what they say about that, but it has helped
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: me tremendously and shut a lot of that down where
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: you put it on contact points around your ankles, around
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: your waist, use the products available out there, because.
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: I obvisually want to get over this.
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: So I'm trying to take the doctor's orders and try
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: to keep those ticks off of me. But we also,
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: you know now that I bird hunt a lot, I
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: take care of my dog too and make sure that
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: he's got a lot of the tick protection too, because
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: another great way is to them bringing into your house,
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: bringing into your kennels and things. So my hunting companions
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: like my lad my bird dog, I always take care
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: of that too, and try to keep it out of
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: the home and just real cautious of it because if
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: you're in shade, you know you're you're probably more likely
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: to get it. And the bad thing about that spotted tick,
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: the lone start tick, it's from my knowledge, if they
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: sense your carbon dioxide and they actually hunt you. It's
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: not like a deer tick that kind of hangs out
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: and grabs on to you when you.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Walk by it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: Those ticks actively crawl and hunt you. So right, and
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: keeping those things off.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Hey man, we're rooting for you, and uh, I think
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you're gonna kick it. Man, I mark my words, two
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: and a half years, you're gonna be good to go.
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: I appreciate that, but I'm still keeping out there recreating
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: and just making them positive and getting more people in
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: the outdoors. And if you don't care, I'd like to
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: tell a little bit about what we're doing with Hunter
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: Advocacy before we go, just real quickly that you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: we focused on the positives with Hunter Advocacy. We talk
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: about that tick protection, but we also try to bring
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: everybody into it for hunter advocacy. Part of my job
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: here at UT is, you know, teaching these new hunters
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: and kids how to get into outdoor recreation. So we
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: talk about those dangers of the ticks and the bugs,
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: but we also bring it back into the culture where
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: they have a lot of fun and the importance of conservation.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Awesome work, Ronnie.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Awesome work, Thank you, Ronnie.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Thanks buddy.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Man, all right, man' that's scary stuff. It
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: really is real. It can change your life, does dang ticks.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I had er lichyosis one time, and the best way
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I describe it to people is it's what it feels
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: like when you die. Yeah, I mean, like, that's the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: sickest I've ever been was with lichyosis, which is also
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a tick board illness that's more concentrated over in our
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: part of the world.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Our dogs get it. We get it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Now it's time for listener feedback. I see a lot
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: of listener feedback up here, Phil. What do you have
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: for us? What are some highlight comments? Questions directed to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the team.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: What do we got?
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: I get them in Now we'll do this again. At
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: the end of the show. But first we have a
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: question from Adam Clay and Brann What can you tell
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: us about this year's squirrel Cookoff? And will you guys
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: be there?
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Ah?
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, we'll be there and it will be bigger and
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: it's like the World's Fair. It gets bigger and better
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: every year.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: September thirteenth, Springdale, Arkansas. It's a free event.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: It's the World Championship Squirrel Cookoff. And yeah, Brent and
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I will be there.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: We'll be there. We wouldn't miss it. It's like Christmas,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: it's like red neck Christmas.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a It's a really neat event because the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: highlight of the event is that there'll be forty teams
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: cooking gourmet squirrel and they feed it to the public.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: So come hungry, leave fool.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Yep, it's really great. Yeah, I hope to see you there.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: What else we got, Phil.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: Freddy Rick, He asked this question every single week even
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: if we don't. But since we don't have a meat
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: Eater menu segment today, I will ask the crew. Well, first,
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: Freddy Rick says, I'm cooking a pronghorn neck right now
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: to make barbacoa. What if the guy's been cooking lately.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: With the game, I've been cooking fried fish, and a
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: lot of it fried fish.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I I've been so what I like to do is
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: take my backstraps out hole in the fall and then
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: in the summer grill a whole backstrap for the family.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: And since we had a bunch of redfish from Louisiana
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: last year, I've been doing surf turf. Even though I
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: can't eat the fish, my wife and kids love it,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: and so we've been We've been going pretty simple, but
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: it's so good.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I've been doing bear smash burgers.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I've developed quite a reputation around our house for making
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: some mean black bear smash burgers. And so I've got
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the patty like hanging out a half inch outside the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: bun and cook him on the grill. I don't cook
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: him on like a griddle, like on a fire grill,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: but press them down real thin.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: And so been hitting a lot of those this summer.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm on my annual water melon I try to
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: for sixty days straight from July and August, full month
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: often bleeds into September, eat watermelon every single day.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But I've actually I just realized in Montana. I haven't
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: done that, but thanks Freddy.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Thanks Freddy. What else we got, Phil.
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Tony, I think we might have gotten something like
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: this the last time you were a part of the show.
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: But Alan, it says Tony best advice for getting your
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: daughter into hunting. My daughter is four years old and
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: this will be her first season getting into the woods
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: with me, And I think this can extend to Brent
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: and Clay as well, who are also fathers of daughters.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: You know, I would say four years old. One thing
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: that we do with kids a lot that I think
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: we get wrong is we take them the first time,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: like on a hunt, where we're like, we're going to
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: try to be the most successful as possible, even if
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: your daughter's just observing because at force she's probably not
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: going to be shooting anything. But so for my daughters,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: it was a big deal to go out and set
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: a blind with me. Something simple, you know, eat some candy,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: talk about the deer tracks, just sort of get them
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: involved so they have that connection to it. When I'm
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: going to take them back there on some nice September
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: evening or something, when the conditions are going to be
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: right and they're actually going to sit with me, and
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: so it's just like, you know, it's kind of like
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: training a puppy, right, Like you have like a short
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: attention span to get this thing to stick, and you
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: want them, you want to leave them wanting more. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: you make it special. Right, you stop at dairy queen,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: you get blizzards on the way home, whatever. But it's
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: always like this just tight window thing. You get in
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: something cool, do something that's tied to the next thing, right,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Or you walk them into the woods and you're like,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: we're gonna go look for some berries or something, and oh,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: by the way, here's this little brook trout stream that
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: we're gonna come back to next week. And it's just
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: this connection to nature instead of just just going in
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: and being like this is how I'm gonna kill a
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: deer and you're gonna watch it, which, you know, whatever
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: might work for some kids, but for girls, I think,
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: especially like daughters, just that overall connection and like the
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: recurring like we did this, now this, we did this,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: now this, and just and plus that's just a good
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: excuse to get.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Out there more.
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: Bailey's introduction was with with my coon dog Whalen, when
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: we got Whalen. He was nine or ten months old.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: This was twenty twenty. So Bailey was like in this
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: second grade, first second grade, I think, and we just
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: we'd take an evening. We were all learning together and
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: we were just walking and talking only coon Hunt when
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: not coon Hu with when Bailey went with me, the
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: only time I ever remember talking about glitter, hair bows,
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: anything along that line. But we made it fun and
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: we just had fun out there, and the best part
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: about it was just being with her, just walking out
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: there and showing her the things that I was interested.
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: Speaking of Bailey, I think she might have hijacked your
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: wife's YouTube account. She says, it's your favorite daughter with
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: four hours. She says, comments, Yeah, hey Bailey, their their
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: old way to Hello Bay.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: And Alexis b Reeves.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: You know, I think I think getting kids in Tony's
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: advice was so good. But to me another point is
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: involve them in the in the family culture inside of it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Like if it's just this isolated incident like that, you
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: just their whole life is not connected to nature, then
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden one day it is. You know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I think the the and I had I had, I'd
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: say I had over all success with my kids and
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and the goal which was not to make them hunters,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: but to make them appreciate hunting and wildlife conservation and
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: wild places. And just I think with with my son
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: who really stuck with hunting, and it was that involvement
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: in the culture, like he saw that his granddad did
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: it and I did it, and we eat this meat
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: and this is this is part of just like what
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: makes our family kind of who we are in a way,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: you know, So bring them in, bring them into the culture.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: I want to touch on one more thing about that,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: even with four year olds, make them do just like
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: a little bit of work so they have a buy
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: in like this, like when you see a lot of
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: parenting these days, we're doing an awful lot of stuff
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: for our kids and like prioritizing their schedules and their lives.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: But even like when my daughters were little, like that,
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: if I made them carry a trail camera or something
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: like do something so I'm like, honey, you got to
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: lug this into the woods and then when we need it,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: we'll set it up together. And they there's just a
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: different level of buy in for them, Like they feel
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: different about it because they did a little bit of work,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: So like barbaiting with my daughters when they were young,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: which horrified my wife. But I'd be like, you're carrying
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: a little bucket a trail mix and gummies or whatever,
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: and you're going to be a part of this too,
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: you know, And I think there's just like a I
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: think there's a little bit different impact there.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Phil, do we have one more hot, hot question.
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: Or we have a ton of hot questions.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: We'll try to move a little faster.
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: Sure, Mitchell says, question for Tony, is it plausible to
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: train my lab GSP mix to both hunt grouse and
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: track deer? I realized the season can overlap it. Is
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: there a risk of confusing her?
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: That's a great question.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Dual purpose dogs used to be can my dog duck
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: hunt or you know, waterfall hunt? Can my dog upland hunt?
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: And then somewhere along the line, guys like Tom Doc
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: and a few other people started training for shad antlers,
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: and so then people would be like, well, if I
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: trained my dogs for shad antlers, is it going to
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: run off and forget about the roosters and look for antlers?
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: It's like, that's not how it works. When you when
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: you look at a long enough timeline. With training a dog,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: we we way underutilize them. Like a good sporting dog,
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: a good working dog can handle a lot of tasks.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: So if you if you take that dog and you
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: train it to blood trail, to which are you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: tracking dog?
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Essentially they're not really blood trailing.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: That dog's not going to get distracted when it's time
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: to go point some grouse.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: It's just not.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: But it's also an amazing off season thing you can
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: train for because a lot of bird hunting, you can
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: train for parts of bird hunting, right, especially especially if
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: you have a retriever, you know, where you can do
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: a lot of long distance work and marks and all
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: that stuff, but you can't you can't do the hunt,
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: you know, like you just mostly can't. But with shed antlers,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: with blood tracking or game trailing dogs, you can set
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: that up all off season long, and people kind of
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: we look at that and go, well, that's a that's
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: a really good skill I want my dog to have,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: right my buddies, you know, gut shoot on elk or whatever.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: I want to be able to bring my dog go
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: out there and find it. But it's also as a
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: dog owner just gonna help you level up that relationship
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: because now you have another reason to work with them
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: and read them and for them to read you, and
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: now you have another way for them to solve problems
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: with you and just level up. Like I encourage people
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: to do whatever whatever they can train their dog like
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: in this kind of arena.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Add on that skill set, work on it. Good good stuff.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: When Brent thinks about a dual purpose dog, he thinks
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: about his dog that will tree coons and possums. That's
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: a deep inside coon hunter joke. The worst thing possible
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: that a dog could coon dog can do would be.
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: Let us know the check If you appreciated that joke
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: has a.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I can joke with the brand because he's got a
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: top notch walker dog.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Jealous.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Hey, I see two questions.
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I was gonna we have another round of
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: these at the end, and I was going to hit
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: you up with a bunch of these claim if you
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: want to tackle it, now's let's do it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Well, let's go, let's move on. I'll tell you what.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Let's move on. Let's come back to some of those.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I saw a question about my book, which I would
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: like to respond to. I saw a question about the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Bargreas Hall of Fame yep, which I would like to
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I would like to address. But now it's time for
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Throwback Thursday. Cannot wait back on.
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: A Thursday morn, Stephen Brodie, take me back to nineteen
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: seventy four.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Row back.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I can't believe this the top show.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: All right, throw back on Thursday.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: We're gonna We're gonna put up a photo that Brent
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Reeves has sent in.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: And Brent's gonna tell us about this picture.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: That right there.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: Wow, is my great grandfather love It Reeves. That is
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: on our old home place in Cleveland County. That would
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: be in the mid fifties, right there when deer a
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: photo when deer were scarce, and that could be the
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: cover of a book.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Few and far between. And if you look in the background.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Back there, there's that possum trend.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: There's a coon dog laying back there.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: Now, my grandfather was a if you'll see the the
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: overalls and the pocket watch there, And I would give
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: anything if I could have one thing out of that photograph.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: It wouldn't be the antlers and the watch would be
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: number two.
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: But my first item that I would love to have
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: is that hat that he's wearing, right, But he was
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: a farmer and a woodsman, and he is the guy
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: that introduced case knives into our family. That's the guy
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: that started it all. And that that would be.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Bailey's great great grandfather. And there's six generally.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Did you know him?
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: No, he died in nineteen sixty four, I think, or
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: maybe sixty three, but.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Just a few years.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: So that's your dad's dad.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: That's my dad's grandfather.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's your great grandfather. I got it, ye man,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: that that for real.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: When I saw that picture, it looks like one of
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: those photos that you know, you you you got off
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the internet because it's so cool, you know, But it's like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: that's really I love that photo.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's a great photo. It's an absolute treasure
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: in our family.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: So those those deer horns aren't a round.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: No no idea.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: I'm sure they went with the rest of that deer
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: that didn't get eating. Right then, it wasn't a it
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: wasn't a thing keeping antlers back then. Probably the biggest
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: uh trophy of the deal was absolutely encountering a deer.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: And I'm probably using those walkers to run them weren't they.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: That or I figure that they were probably squirrel hunting
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: and the deer came through because he wasn't leaving the
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: house to go deer hunting back then, because he's got
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: a squirrel vest on. Ye, And that's how I assume
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: that deer got got brought to the table.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know. That's cool. That's a cool photo.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, back when when, I mean the traditional way to
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: hunt deer, and a lot of places in the country,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: but specifically the South, was using dogs to run them.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Because there were so few, so few deer, you just
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: had to.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Get them up and moving, you know. Aund And so
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: a deer and a dog just went together. Today it's
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: not not as popular.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Good job, Brent, good photo. Good photo.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Let's throw Tony's photo up there for throwback Thursday. Let
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: us know what you think in the comments.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Look at that one. So this fish, you guys, do
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: you guys have small eat and this big right?
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: So clay, you guys know this right, somebody shoots a bear.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Everybody says they're three hundred pounds. You're like, they're one
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: hundred and seventy five pounds. You know, somebody shoots a
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: giant you're like maybe, right, you see a picture of it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: You kind of know in the in the beast world
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: where I live, like to truly break the six pound
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: mark is like, you're just not going to do it
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: very often, even if you fish a lot smallies or
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: large mouth, right, m hm. So that's my little girl
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: when she was I think she was six, and we
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: went out to this rock pile at sunrise, and we
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: like to throw top waters, right, and so I had
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: her she wasn't throwing a bait caster yet, but I
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: had her with a seven foot you know, medium heavy
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: rod braided line so you could we use a lot
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: of wopper ploppers, you know, streamline.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Pretty heavy top water that you can throw a mile.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: And so we pull up to this rock pile and
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: you know, she casts out there, casts it far, and
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: that that wopper popper hits the water and she reels
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: like half a turn and this fish hits and you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: I just I heard a blow up and she set
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: the hook. You know, she's tiny, and that fish came
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: straight up like they always do small mouth, and I
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: saw it come up and in my head, I just go,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: she will never get this fish.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Like I didn't go for the net.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm cheering her on, but I'm like, there's
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: no way this fish is isn't going to throw this
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: in the amount of time it's going to take her
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: to get it back in. And she leaned into that
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: fish and fought it and fought it and fought it,
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: and finally got it up by the boat, got it
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: to where she could kind of work it around. I
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: had a net with me. I netted that fish, and
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't mount fish, right, Like I'm that's
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: that stage is kind of gone for a lot of people.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: And it's the first time I'll never forget I had
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: the impulse. I looked into that net and I was like,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: I'm throwing this sucker in the freezer and we're going
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: to mount it. But so before I get judged on this,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: got it into the boat, measured it. It was just
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: broke twenty two inches, which is a crazy mark, right,
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Like when you actually start measuring big smallies twenties and
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: twenty ones, they're big fish, right, But that twenty two
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: inch mark up up where we live is just no joke, right.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: It's almost two foot long.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Right, And so we got really nice pictures of it
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: and then like, we gotta let this fish go, you know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: and she didn't. You know, she wasn't like we got
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: to keep it and stuff at whatever, like that's not
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: her thing. But it was like one of those things
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: when she let it go. I'm like, you, you have
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: no idea how many of you caught that big I
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: have caught two for sure in my life that broke.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: I caught one that was twenty two and I caught
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: one that was twenty three with ten billion hours of effort.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah right. I wasn't in first grade.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Right, And so that was just one of those things
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: where I was like, this is just such a beautiful fish.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: And you know, when you look at the studies of
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: how how old a fish that that could be where
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: we live a couple hours south of there, they did
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: a pretty good study on smallmuff a long time ago
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: and to get to fourteen inches, which on the river
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: where that fish or where they were studying those fish
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: was a keeper the slot whatever it was seven I
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: think it was seven years old, seven years and so
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: you think about a fish that's a couple hours north,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: short growing season, hitting twenty two inches, you know, I mean,
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: you're like that fish might have been out there for
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: fifteen years, I don't know, but a long time, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: I just think that's cool as hell. Yeah, that that
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: is really cool. Now, can't could you have gotten a replicam.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Out of that fish?
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: We could have, you know, I mean it's like it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: just not into that, right, you get when you get
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: really we catch a lot of big fish, and we
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: had really nice pictures of it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: It was just this cool moment.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: And so yeah, maybe I should have measured the girth
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: and done the whole thing I did.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I just didn't.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, in the South, we have or at
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: least in where I'm from, we have small mouth in
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: creeks and rivers, not as much in the lakes like
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: people's largemouth bass fish and the lakes. But you would
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: go to the creeks and rivers in the mountains to
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: catch small mouth and they, you know, a big one.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I don't really know length. Barry would know length pretty good,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: but you know, like a two or three pounder would
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: be a nice creek fish.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I mean that's I'm sure down where
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: you live that's connected to water town picture and rocks.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Don't have rocks, you know, the boulders. You just don't
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: have a lot of smallies.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, cool, great photo, great photo. All right, let's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: go to my This is the final photo in our
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Thursday throwback Thursday.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: In the in the front of the fore wheeler, there
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: is my youngest son, Shepherd Nukeomb crying wearing his cowboy boots.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: That's Bear John Newcomb in the middle there who I
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people know Bear.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: And uh, if you'll notice that is a live coyote tied.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: To the back of the of the four wheeler.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: And that day, it was in late summer, and we'd
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: gone to this place that we were going to deer
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: hunt from some private land and it took the boys
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and we'd hung a stand and it was it was
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a funny moment because I literally remember like wanting to
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: make the trip fun for the boys. And I told them,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I said, y'all stay here at this four wheeler.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I'll be back.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: And I really didn't know what I was looking for,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: but I knew I was going to find something and
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: bring it back to them.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not kidding.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: And I took off and they're little guys and they're
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: throwing rocks and wrestling there around the four wheeler on
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: a little road, and I go off in the woods
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and I don't walk fifty yards and I see a
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: litter of coyot pups get up in front of me
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: and flush like a covey of quail, and they take
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: off running and I take off running after them. And
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: basically it was like a cheetah chasing a herd of gazelle.
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: One would split.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Off to the right and I'd stick with the two,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and then one split off to the left, and I
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: just picked the one.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: And I could run as.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Fast as that cayo pup, but I couldn't catch it,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: and it he took a turn and started going down
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: this real rocky drainage, and I remember it just like
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: it was yesterday. I'm running so fast, is as fast
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: as I can run downhill, running on this boulder patch,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and I start to feel my chest and head lean
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: out in front of my face, and I know I'm toast,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: and I just say, I just just go straight down,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: just fly through the air land on the rocks. Figure
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I'm all busted up. And also Tony figured that the
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: coyote has gotten away because he was like eight feet
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: in front of me, both of us running full speed.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I bite the dust and when I stand up, I
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: see him.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I saw him duck into a little hole like he
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: gave up the chase.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Immediately when I bit the dust. And so I jump
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: up and he's under this rock. And I flip over
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the rock, thinking Mama cayote might be in there. I
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: didn't know, and there's that pup curled up on the ground.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I reached and just grabbed him by the nape of
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the neck, grab him up like.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: This and he just goes limp.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And I walked back to Baron Shepherd and boys, I'm
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: telling you, I was a hero of the year when
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I walked back up and I had that kayo pup
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: by the nape of the neck and said, boys, look
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: what I caught. And I had a little rope and
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: tied him to the to the to the to the
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: back of the vehicle there and took him home and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: we kept him for about a week. And I also
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: at that time it was legal in Arkansas to have deer,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: and we we were raising the deer at that time too,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: And I kept the deer and the coyote in the
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: same little kennel. And then the coyote. Is everybody interested?
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I hope the story's not going too long. The kyote started,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I thought, well, I'm going to raise this kyote. We're
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: gonving pat kyote. And it started getting mean and biting me,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: and so I knew I had to get rid of it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: But it and this, this is true.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I was worried about the legal ramifications of killing a
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: coyote out of season. I mean it was on a
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: deer hunting property, like we're trying to get rid of coyotes.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: So you thought I might have just exterminated the coyote,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: but I actually took it out into another place and
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: turned it loose.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Why did you take it back where you caught it?
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Because it's where a deer hunt Tony he put on
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: the story of the coyote. Why we called him Wiley?
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Very original, very original?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: All right? All right?
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: What is success Throwback Thursday? Great photos, guys. We're now
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: going to go on to interview number two. We're going
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: to be interviewing a guy that Brent knows. His name
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: is Each Stewart from Arkansas. Brent, I'm gonna let you
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: take it over.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: My buddy. Each.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: He is the director of the Public Timber Project there
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: in Arkansas. He's a dedicated lifelong duck hunter water fowler,
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: good friend of mine, and I want to get him
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: on here and talk about the stuff that he's doing.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Each. Can you hear us, buddy, gotcha?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Can y'all hear me?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I got you? Man?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Each tell us about Thanks for having me.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: You're very welcome.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: We're pleased that you hear tell us about the project
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: you got going, what the name of it is, what's
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: your role in it is, and what the plan is
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: for Arkansas.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: All right, well, thanks for thanks again. My name's Eah Stewart.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm I'm the president of the Public Timber Project,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: and in reality, I'm just one of the fellaws that's
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: started it, but one of us had to fall on
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the grenade and call ourselves the president. We formed ourselves
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: as a form profit here in Arkansas, so we had
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to get organized on paper at least at the very beginning.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: But in reality, the Public Timber Project is a grassroots
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: movement for public land duck hunters all across the country.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Of course, our focus was on issues that we were
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: seeing in Arkansas and our public lands, so we're more
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: of a social experiment and a movement than we are
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: on profit. And at the end of this I'll ask
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: folks to if you want to support us, support us
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: by following us reaping out. We don't really need your
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: money right now. The only expenses we have is on
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: ball caps and trash bags. But I'll step back a
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: little bit and talk a little bit about why we
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: started in the first place. And for folks that don't
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: duck commers that aren't from the South, that aren't aware,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: you know, in the duck hunting world, hunting ducks and
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: flat under sort of the holy grail of duck hunting.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen ducks finish through the canopy of
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: the trees and land at your feet in the woods, man,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: you ain't lived. And there's only so many places we
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: can do that. Arkansas happens to be one of the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: states that has more public land available for folks to
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: carry on this tradition than any other state in the US,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: But most of the states in the South have public lands,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: state and federal where folks can go and hunt this way,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: and it's an old way of hunting. It's an old tradition.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: This is duck hunting. Flooded timber in the South. It's
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: part of our culture, it's part of our identity. It's
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: who we are. A lot of us included. I'd rather
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: rather skunked in the woods than shoot a limit on
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: a rice field, because it's something about being.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: In the woods.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: It's the way we hunt. It's our history, our tradition.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Like I said, this is culture for us down here.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: And things are changing and not all further better. On
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: our public lands there in Arkansas. We've got a lot
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: of management issues. Don't necessarily get into but we've got
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of challenges. I'll leave it at that. And
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: one of the things that's come about in the last
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: few years, the way the state and the Feds are
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: modified and changing how they're managing these places is that
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: fewer and fewer places are holding water. So all these
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: flooded timber areas in the South that we duck hunt,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: these are forests. That's forest management. These are forests that
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: floods seasonally. As the Mississippi comes up in the winter
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: and all the rivers in Arkansas and all the southern
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: states flood up with water. These forests get water on them,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: and the water comes up and it lets the ducks
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: come in there. It gives them safety, shelter, food. They
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: feed on acorns and all the other food in these areas.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And so if you have less and less water on
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: our public lands, then the places that we do have water,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: what we're seeing is a huge concentration of hunters in
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: these few areas. And probably nowhere is this more the
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Black River here in Arkansas. And I hate to mention
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the Black Rivers so much because folks that locals up there,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: that live and hunt up there, they don't really want
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: everyone knowing about the Black River. But the word is
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: out on the Black River. I think they ain't no
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: secret man. It's all over the internet and YouTube. So
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: just to kind of paint a little bit of a
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: picture on why the public timber project exists. Last season
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: on duck Opener at Ashball Boat Ramp, which is one
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: of the three probably busiest boat ramps on the Black River,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: we had a thousand trucks and boat trailers lined up
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: at the boat ramp. That line it stretched out a
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: mile and a half from the boat ramp and fellas
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: were in line for up to a week before opening morning.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: That's a thousand trucks and trailers at one boat ramp,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: there's no trash services, there's no porta potties, and the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: impact this has happened on this area, it's an consequence
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: of our current management, if that makes sense. We're really
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: impacting this these areas in a way that we're causing
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: damage to some of these areas. So we're seeing changes
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: like that happening in duck hunting in Arkansas and the South.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of areas that we used to
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: hunt that aren't holding water and aren't holding ducks, and
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: we're seeing this huge concentration of hunters on fewer and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: fewer public land areas that have water and have birds. Okay,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: we're seeing some other big changes on public lands down
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: here with duck hunting that it's sort of all this
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: stuff fits in together. Probably one of the biggest ones
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: concerned about is the changing demographic of the public land
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: duck hunter in the South, in particular in Arkansas. Now,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: when we all grew up, if you duck hunted in
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Arkansas at all, on you hunted public if you weren't
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you weren't a rich man, if you were a poor
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: kid like I was, and you hunted the ramp because
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: you couldn't afford membership at a private club. You were
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: going to run into a whole litany of fellas at
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: the boat ramp, and there was going to be plenty
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: of old timers there that had been doing it their
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: whole lives, that had a thing or two to teach
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the rest of us. Well, because of this increase of
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: pressure that we're seeing, we've run off all our old timers.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: You just don't sing no more out of the boat ram.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: So what we have is basically a angry mob of
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: twenty three year olds that are being mentored by YouTube.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And if you want to I love it, I watch y'all. Well,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: if you were to talk to my dad, who's still
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: duck hunts with me seventy eight years old, he tell
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you that there ain't a show on YouTube that ain't
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: tree popping dirks. So the point being that these young
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: fellas are getting into duck hunting. They're not being taken
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: out by their dads and their uncles and their granddads.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: They're learning everything they can from YouTube and our opinion
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: that we're making the wrong folks famous in duck hunting,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and we've got some just bad examples out there, and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: we're seeing our culture shift. We're seeing traditions and the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: ways we used to hunt things that got passed down
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: from generation the generation is we're seeing it and road
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: and change and all but disappeared from the landscape when
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: we go duck hunting. And so as a response to that,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: like every other duck camp in Arkansas in the South,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: you know, we sit around and we complain about all
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: the problems.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Of duck hunting.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, at our camp, we decided we wanted to do
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: something about it. And uh, you said, preach, ain't preaching
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: really talk cheat everybody in duck hunts preaching about duck hunt.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: So we thought from the beginning, hey, if we're going
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: to change things for the better, it needs to be
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: through action and not just So last fall we started
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: doing cleanups here in Arkansas, and we started off down
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: on the White River Clarendon at a boat ramp that's
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: probably one of the most trash places that you could
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: launch a boat to go hunt ducks or get a
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: real busy boat ramp. We did a clean up, not really,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: we didn't everybody show up, but we thought this is
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: a good place to start. We just need to start
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: showing up organized duck hunters and get folks to come
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: out of the woodwork, show up to our cleanups, get
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: involved in a positive way, making a difference in our woods.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: And the next cleanup we did, we had a cople
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: people show up, and the next one we had a
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: couple more folks show up, and it slowly started building
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: and we realized early on that these cleanup projects, that
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: these boat ramps were working. The other thing that happened
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: is we had a lot of duck hunters reaching out
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: to us across the South and all of Minnesota, Cannon,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: all over the place that started finding out about us
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: on social media do and they wanted to get involved,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: but they couldn't make it to any of our organized cleanups,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and so we started our hat campaign, which is basically,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: duck hunters, clean up your local area. There's publicans that
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you love that that's where you hunt, make ownership, clean them, up,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: them up, be a good role model, Send us the picture,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: and we want to fill social media with positive images
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: coming from the duck hunting community as opposed to the
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: fist fights and duck holes and the horse races to
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: get to your spot. There's far too much negative press.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: We're our own worst enemies. Out there. We're painting a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: picture to the ag FC and to all the land
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: management ag.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Got to interrupt you just for a second, man, this
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: this is incredible. I'm enthralled for just for sake of time, man,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: how can we help you?
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: Where?
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Where can people get involved?
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Thanks for really being because I could talk for an
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: hour you did. The first thing is, uh, find us
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: out on social media on Instagram at the Public Timber Project. Okay,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the Public Timber Project there, okay, the Public Temper Project.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: You can find us on Facebook and YouTube and TikTok
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: under the same name. We've got some short films coming out.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: We've got a full length film coming out later this
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: duck season. We post our and all of our contacting
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: on there. Anybody's in the ball involved, message me on Instagram,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: and me or Blakely somebody else will reach back to you.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, awesome, take there.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Hey, thank you each, Really appreciate you coming on today,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. Love it excellent, all right, man, take care,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: take care.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: I had no idea there'd be a thousand thousand boats
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: lined up at.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: All, And that's just one access, you know. That's incredible.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: That's one access.
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: I remember twenty five years ago, my brother and I
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: would go to a public access on a Tuesday hunting
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: public ground and be the only folks in the parking lot.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Times have changed, the good old days.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Ye wow wow, All right, each Stewart.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: All right, we're moving right along to our Multari trail
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: camera contest. And it's on this our friends at Moultrie
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: our sponsoring a contest where we're gonna be giving away
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: a camera and we're gonna look at.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Some some photos.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: What do you think do you think we should look
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: up the photos first, just to get some some some
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: good vibes going and then talk about the Edge three.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: What do you want to do, Tony?
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: We kind of need to move it.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Along here, love it.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's put up the trail camera images. The
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: winner will receive two Edge two First Light Specter Camo
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Edition Moultrie cameras with a tin watt solar pack bundle
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: with it and a two hundred and fifty dollars gift
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: card from the Meat to the Medat store, a two
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars gift card.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: To first Light.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: This is a huge price and a case in a
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: case knife. Brent Reeves signature mini trapper. Hey, that may
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: be the biggest thing there. Yeah, this is a huge
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: prize that's going now, Phil, it's going to one of these.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: He's going to one of these. And here sound is
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: gonna work. We have four entries. You guys are more
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: than welcome to uh you know, add as much commentary
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: and your opinions as you'd like. But the winner will
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: be selected by the live chat. I will put up
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: a poll. Okay, so if you look at all after
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: you look at all the pictures, the live chat will
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: vote for a couple of minutes, and whoever has the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: most votes will win.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: That crazy Okay, So we're gonna need everybody's help. Phil,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: show us the first picture, first trail camera photo in
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: our contest, Lamb, we've got a big woods timber velvet
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: buck and the the the the What we were trying
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: to do here is get people to show us velvet bucks.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I mentioned that every Trail Comera,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: every trail camera contest has a theme. This month's theme
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: for the Multie Trail Cram contest is velvet buck. So
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: that is a beautiful image right there, A big old buck.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: I see white oak trees, mm hmmm. I see some
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: are trees.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I like that, kicker.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: I was wondering if we were working with a river
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: bottom situation.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Here looks that looks like a southern river bottom buck
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: to me. All right, so we got the we're gonna
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: call that the big buck from Andrew.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: And this is from Andrew. Number one, okay, that's number one.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: Number two air bar is that that's.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: A mule deer jumping a a little a little little
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: drawl there, got a little buddy behind him.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I see a little buck back there.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I see it back there.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a classic.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: That's action photo. I like that.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: I like that all right.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: Number that that's from I like hunting.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: Number three is from Sea Nutson or C. K Nutson.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Wow, the albino buck. That's impressive, right, even the velvet's white.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Check that out.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: That's impressive. I'd like to know the history of that.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: That story looks like last looks like a twenty twenty
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: four photo. It appears to be a northern photo by
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: the spruce.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: Or I was gonna guess Wisconsin.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: They have a lot of white deer up there. Yeah,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: that's that's impressive. I mean you, I'll probably never get
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: a trail career picture of a white deer.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: So that one's in Missouri, not far from where we Turkeynda.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Oh is that right? Interesting?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, last photo in the trail camera contest this month,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: we've got have shed velvet buck.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Those are always really cool because that happens really quick.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: There's just this very short window of time, like hours, yes,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: in their years buck shedding his velvet.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: I watched a bachelor group when I was hunting in
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: North Dakota one time, going and bedding a little drainage,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: and the buck that I wanted to shoot in the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: group was velvet when he went to bed and when
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: I watched him get out and come start walking toward
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: my stand, he had shed it completely.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Really, did you kill it?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't kill him, but I killed his buddy.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: He ran right on through. He had a destination to
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: go to. I couldn't stop him, but I took a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: consolation prize. I was pretty happy, and he was in
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: full velvet.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we're.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: Gonna need everybody a recap here and then we'll start
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: the pull here. Ever one the.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: First one is the big buck.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like for pure aesthetics of lighting, imagery, beauty.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: That's hard to beat. Go to the next one.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: Also a recent photo?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: Was it recent?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Here we got the action photo. This is our action photo. Okay,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: so there's something cool about okay.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: And then we got the.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Once a once in a lifetime kind of kind of photo,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: you know, pretty impressive big buck too. Usually, you know,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: if it's some little scrapper, I'd be like, that's cool.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: That's a big old buck too, right, That's that's impressive.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: And then we got the uh, we got the nighttime
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: shedding velvet buck.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: All right, starting the poll right now?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: Should we discuss what we think?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: Phil, just keep talking.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: I'm well, go ahead, what do y'all think? Which one
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: you least impressed with? Which one you're voting for? Let's
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: make it quick.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: They're all impressive. I have at least experience with Muley's,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: so that didn't really. I mean, I like the photo
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: because of the action. But the big one, the big
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: one is standing in that wide oak bottom that.
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  Speaker 4: That grab right there. Yeah, that and.
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  Speaker 6: It's like a three day old photograph.
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  Speaker 4: That's cool. That's that's right where I'm at too.
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  Speaker 5: When I look at that picture, I mean, obviously it's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: a beautiful deer, beautiful deer, but where it's at, I mean,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: that's the kind of stuff I just love to hunt.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: I look at that picture, and that picture brings me
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: into a place where I would see a deer like that.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with the team here.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: I would be voting for Andrew's big Buck number one,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: but I think you can make a case for the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: albino buck.
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  Speaker 8: It is.
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  Speaker 7: The pull is very tight right now. So if you
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: haven't voted yet, get in there and let your voice
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  Speaker 7: be heard.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew, if you're out there, what are the chances that Brent,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Brent can come hunt that buck with you?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: I'll film you with my shotgun.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Now you can film Brent. All right? Four photos big
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Buck Muley, believe.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: You, guys, I mean yet, ten more seconds on the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: clock here, and those ten seconds can make it different.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: That's how close?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: This close?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: And the winner of this gets a huge prize package,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: two Moultary Cameras, Meet Eater gift card, two to fifty
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: dollars gift card, two hundred and fifty dollars First Light
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: gift card, and Britt Reeves case knife signature Mini trapper, huge,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: prize package huge.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: I think I actually I might have a drum roll here.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: I don't have a drummer, but I do have a winner.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: Sound whoever wins, I'm sorry.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: I think the big Buck's gonna win. I think the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: fact that all three of us would have picked that one.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: I have ended the poll.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Poll has ended.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: So in last place, with only three percent of the vote,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: was the number four from Marrik Kessler shedding uzing.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, thanks for the submission, Eric.
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  Speaker 7: And then in third place with twenty seven percent of
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: the vote was your guy's favorite, Angrey Molino's.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: And so in second place with thirty two percent of
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: the vote, we had the flying Buck from I Like Hunting,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: which means the albino buck from Chad Nutson. You're the winner.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Congratulations, Chad, congratulations. I'd like to know if that's a
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: deer that you had access to, what happened to it?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Did somebody get that deer?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Did he?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Is he still out there? That's pretty cool?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Well man, congratulations, And man, you got a lot of
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: decisions to make about what to do with those gift cards,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: and you know where Brent's gonna hunt up there with,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: so congratulations, Tony tell us about the Moultrie Edge.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: So I got a Moultrie Edge three right here in
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: this fancy box. We learned all about these dudes yesterday.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: So I mean, this is this isn't my world. But
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: some some of the listeners here Southern guys running feeders.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: They have Moultrie Connect.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: You can basically manage and monitor your feeders and it's
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: a whole system. It's a totally way more efficient way
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: to live in that world, which isn't my world. What
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: is my world is trying to find big Bucks on
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: a natural pattern. And you know, I know AI is
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: sort of a buzzword out there right now. Anybody who
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: plays in the stock market or messes around Wall Street
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: bets you're seeing Nvidia and you're seeing Palenteer in these
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: companies that are they're doing a lot with AI or
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: you hear hear about a lot. Well, Moultrie has Moultrie
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: AI coming out on this Edge three. And one of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: the things this can do is help you filter through
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: to only get videos of Bucks sent to your sent
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: right to your apps, set right to your phone, instead
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: of getting notifications for all the other critters, doze whatever.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: If you want to select it down pretty far. You
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: can you can kind of customize it too. If you
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: want to get just photos of non target animals or
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: photos of all animals, but also get videos sent to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: you of bucks. You can do that too. And I
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: keep thinking about this. I'm heading back down to Nebraska
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: where I'm hunting with Steve this fall. I have a
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: whole bunch of cameras down on this ranch that we're hunting.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: It's a brand new property to us, working cattle ranch,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: and so I put up cameras and in some spots
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: I'm getting cattle, I'm getting beavers, I'm getting geese, I'm
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: getting lots of raccoons, non target animals. And so when
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: I go back down there, I'm going to swap out
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: some of those cameras with these edge threes because I'm filtering.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Through don't want to get notifications about cows. Right that
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: when it sends out a picture to you, it's using
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: battery life, So the moultra AI when you program it,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: and some of these guys that are putting cameras over
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: feeders are potentially getting hundreds of pictures of a.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: Day, right well, right, And when you put up a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: camera in a pasture, that doesn't have cows in, and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: they put it in cows. You get hundreds of pictures
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: a day too, So it's and this is you know,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: I like pictures of deer, I like pictures of all animals,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: but this is like our rut hunt. So I'm kind
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: of just trying to key in on the bucks. The
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: other thing I'll say about this quick. This isn't new
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: to the Edge three, but it is a feature of it.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: A lot of cameras for for a while had like
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: a live aim feature they had. They had some kind
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: of you know, viewing window, LCD screen, whatever, so you
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: could set it up and point in the right direction.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: Because I do a lot of public land hunting, I'll
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: put them up high, uh in this situation, because we
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: knew cows were going to get rotated through there, and
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: I didn't want them to mess with the cameras.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: You're mounting them higher and pointing them down.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: And so there's a live aim feature on here that
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: you can go to your phone and see exactly what
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: you're seeing. So I can I can customize that and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: set it up exactly the way I want to, so
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: I know when I walk away, I'm not waiting for
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: that test picture or anything like that. I'm like, Okay,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: I know this is going to be aimed exactly how
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: I want it to be.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Man, the multies.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you one of the things I was most
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: impressed about was the price point on those things. I
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: don't know exactly what that's going to be, but I
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: mean this is not this is like under one hundred
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: and forty cameras one hundred and fifty dollars camera. Yeah,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: so I mean that's pretty inexpensive.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: And they and they the.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Some of the other cameras are less cheaper than.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: That, right and it.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: And the last thing I'll say about this too is
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: you know, it wasn't that long ago in cellular cameras
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: where we had to select a Verizon, select a carrier
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: right and at and T whatever. Now you can connect
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: to all major carriers with this sover whatever company has
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: the best reception wherever you're gonna go.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: So in the white tail world, maybe not that big.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: Of a deal in a lot of places, but if
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: you're trying to monitor a water hole or a wallow
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: for ELK or you know, some of the western applications
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: and just someplace, you know how it is like some
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: places you go where for whatever reason, your buddy's got Verizon,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: he's got awesome coverage, and you have AT and T
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: and it sucks. It's kind of nice to not have
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: to worry about that anymore. It'll pick the best one
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: and use it.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeahep excellent, excellent, excellent. We're moving on to the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: end of our show here, guys. We appreciate everybody being
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: here commenting. We're gonna take a last round here of
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: listener feedback.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: Phil, Yeah, I got it here. Let's go ahead and
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: talk about your book, Clay. Where's where's the question? It
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: was somewhere If you just want to start talking.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: About Yeah, I had somebody ask about the book.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: We go let's promote or Hey, Clay, how's your book
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: coming along? I'm really looking forward to.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Hey man, that.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: Guy right there is the most He may be the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: most lower listener ever.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: I see him every he lives in Hungary. Clay, how
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: you watch the show? He's here every single week. He's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: got great questions, he's got a bear grease out. It's
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: a big fan.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Ah man. The book is going incredible. It's it's changing
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: my life. It really is just the discipline involved in
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: the level of research. We do a lot of research
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: on bear grease, but I've never had to research stuff
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: like like we are for this book. And we're still
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: a long long ways from from Clay's book coming out
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: in Tony. But uh, I'm I'd say I've got We've
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: got a third of the book in a format right
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: now that I would feel comfortable, you know, sending to share.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: Can you share the target date with it?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: Or is that still though it's it's not really got you. Yeah,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: But the book is about the American black bear. It's
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: the it's the it is the the bio of the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: American black bear, told like it's never been told before. Guaranteed,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: book has never been written like this before. It's going
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: to blow your mind.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: From Freddy Rick, another food centric question, he says he
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: doesn't have much access to squirrels here in Nevada. Do
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 7: you guy, do you think I could replace them with
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: jack rabbit for recipes that call for squirrels.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I ain't never had a jack rabbit. But if they,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: if they taste anything, I mean here, what you're going
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: to do with a squirrel is what I'm gonna do
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: with a cottontail. And that's frame powder is behind with
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: buttermilk and flour. And though we meant some hot grease.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: M I don't have a lot of experience with Jack Rabbits.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I heard bad things about him though.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Steve, Steve was talking crap about him the other day.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: I think I think frying them would be the best bet. Yeah,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if you're going to pull it
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: off or not.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I ain't never had one, but
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: good idea.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 7: It's good. And talk about the Hall of Fame question
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: Tigers Tiger's Fan sixty eight eighty four.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: If you're not familiar with the Bear Grease podcast, we
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: have an official Bear Grease Hall of Fame which typically
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: goes to There are I believe there are nine or
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: ten members that people that have been inducted into the
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. There's currently three living people in the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Bear Grease Hall of Fame. Some of the more famous
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: candidates would be Daniel Boone, to Cumpsa Osceola, Davy Crockett.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Some of the less well known people would be the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: living plot Bear Hunter in East Tennessee, Roy Clark, Warner
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Glenn's in the Hall of Fame, Lawrence James Lawrence, my
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: buddy mentor backwoodsman from Arkansas. So a lot of variety
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: in the Burgers Hall of Fame. There's one woman in
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: the Burgers Hall of Fame, Granny Henderson Eva Henderson.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: Bart Martyr of the Buffalo River.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: And man, you can't make this happen, Tiger, It's got
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: to happen on its own, brother. I mean, we may
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: go for a decade without a Hall of Famer. This
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: is not staged, so we're just waiting for We're just
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: waiting for the next legend to pop up.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: So good question. Though.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you paying attention. Brother, you're talking like huk Holgan.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate what you're doing out there.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: Let's do one more for Tony Jacob says, how old
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: is too old to train a dog to blood trail?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: I'm color blind and having a dog has helped me
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 7: find too deer. My lab is eight years old and
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: I'd love to have her help me.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: Well, old dogs can learn new tricks, and I think
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: I don't think there is an age where you can't
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: teach them stuff. It changes how you train them a
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: little bit, you know. But teach that dog to blood trail.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're not going to take anything away from
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: that dog, and it will.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: Learn what to do.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, the first dog that I trained to shed
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: hunt was a Golden Retriever. I had several dogs ago,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: and I think she was five or six, probably five
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: when I started teaching her. And it wasn't any different
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: than taking an eight week old pup and being like,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: you know, here's what we're starting with. We're stringing together
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: these behaviors the daisy chain them together until you finally
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: have that skill set. Then you work on that. So
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: train that eight year old lab. That lab will love it,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: and we'll help you find some dear.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Excellent, great, excellent, let's call it.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: Let's call it there, guys.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Well, hey, thanks everybody for joining Meat Eater Radio Live.
• 1:16:12
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• 1:16:14
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• 1:16:18
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• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: we got accounts producer here. Hey, everybody, thank you so much.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to tune in next week. And uh,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: you know what, keep.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: The wild places wild because that's where the bears live.
• 1:16:41
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