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The Maxwell Trial Transcripts: Kate Describes Her Relationship With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 7) (11/11/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off with Kate's testimony during the Ghislaine
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell trial. And we're picking up with the cross-examination of Kate. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you meet a man named Kevin? To that, the
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  Speaker 1: prosecution objects. Judge Nathan, grounds Ms. Pomerantz. Ms. Pomerantz, relevance
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  Speaker 1: your honor. Judge Nathan, we'll see, I'll allow it. But
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  Speaker 1: if we need to have the discussion, let me know.
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  Speaker 1: I'll allow it. Question. Did there come a time that
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  Speaker 1: you were flying back to London from the U.S. when
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  Speaker 1: you missed your flight? Answer. Yes. Question. And did there
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  Speaker 1: come a time that you were assisted by a man
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  Speaker 1: that you had met after you missed your flight? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And did you have an occasion to go to the
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  Speaker 1: man's home? Answer. Yes. Question. And did you have an
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  Speaker 1: occasion to that? Pomerantz objects once again. Judge Nathan, I
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  Speaker 1: think we need to have a sidebar. So now, at
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  Speaker 1: the sidebar. Judge Nathan, where are we going, Ms. Sternum?
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Sternum, we're going to the fact that this woman
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  Speaker 1: was married at the time she left her husband to
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  Speaker 1: travel to spend time with Glenn and Jeffrey, and then,
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  Speaker 1: at some point, something happened to her on her way home.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Nathan, what's the relevance? Bobby Sternum, it all goes
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  Speaker 1: to what her state of mind was when she is
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  Speaker 1: testifying about what happened during this time period. Judge Nathan,
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  Speaker 1: state of mind? Bobby Sternum, yes. Ms. Pomerantz, Your Honor,
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  Speaker 1: the defense is asking questions that are very suggestive of something.
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Sternum, I'm sorry I didn't hear you. Pomerantz, the
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  Speaker 1: defense is asking questions that are very suggestive of something,
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  Speaker 1: but I have not yet heard a proffer about that,
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  Speaker 1: and it seems like where they're going with this is
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  Speaker 1: an issue that should have been raised as a 412 issue.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Nathan, are you suggesting that she had an affair?
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Sternum, no. She said she was associative as if
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  Speaker 1: she was using drugs. I'll move on. The court, okay,
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  Speaker 1: move on. Question, Kate, did there come a time that
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  Speaker 1: you divorced your husband, the restaurateur? Answer, he divorced me. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and how long were you married at that point? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was just under a year. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: prior to marrying him, had you been engaged to other people? Answer, yes. Pomerantz, objection.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Nathan, I'll allow it. Question, did you ever marry again? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: but you dated other people throughout the years, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you also have a child, correct? Answer, I do. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was someone with whom? Pomerantz, objection, Your Honor. The court overruled. Pomerantz,
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  Speaker 1: Your Honor, may we be heard at sidebar, please? They
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  Speaker 1: get to sidebar. Pomerantz, the government is concerned about this
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  Speaker 1: line of questioning. She's asking a series of questions about
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  Speaker 1: her romantic history. It seems unduly invasive. Judge Nathan, just
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  Speaker 1: a moment. We had an earlier sidebar. I permitted her
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  Speaker 1: to ask questions based on the declaration regarding someone who
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  Speaker 1: said she planted drugs on the person that she's now
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  Speaker 1: asking a question about. So how is this objection consistent
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  Speaker 1: with the ruling? Pomerantz, I understand that ruling, Your Honor.
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  Speaker 1: My understanding is I frankly didn't know that's where it
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  Speaker 1: was going. But it's also my concern... Is that it's
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  Speaker 1: been a series of questions that have just been basically
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  Speaker 1: a litany of questions. Judge Nathan. Counsel. When you have
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  Speaker 1: an objection, I rule on it. A series of questions.
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  Speaker 1: Objections doesn't fly. Please bear in mind my rulings. That's
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  Speaker 1: why we do it at sidebar. That's why the jury
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  Speaker 1: had a 45 minute break. I don't need a sidebar
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  Speaker 1: every time a question that I've approved is asked. Bobby Sternum.
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  Speaker 1: Back in court asking questions of Kate once again. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Were you involved in a custody dispute with the father
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  Speaker 1: of your child? Answer, yes. Question, and Kate, did you
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  Speaker 1: ask a friend to plant drugs on the father of
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  Speaker 1: your child to advance your custody case? Answer, absolutely not. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and are you familiar with a man named Tim Powers? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and as you sit here, you did not ask Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Powers to help you with your custody dispute? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you had never been involved in a situation in the
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  Speaker 1: late 90s involving a man... Who's connected to the royal family?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know who I'm talking about? Answer, yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And that was someone who you had a friendship with? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: an acquaintanceship. Question, but a friendly acquaintanceship. It was someone
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  Speaker 1: that you had spoken to at times, correct? Answer, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times. Question. And the two of you had
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  Speaker 1: an interaction while you were at the Cannes Film Festival
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  Speaker 1: in France, correct? Answer, yes. Question. and you had been
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  Speaker 1: approached by a tabloid to engage that gentleman in a situation, correct? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: not exactly. Question, you were not asked to encourage that
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  Speaker 1: man to get you cocaine? Answer, no. Question, you were
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  Speaker 1: never approached by a tabloid to have that man recorded? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I was never approached by a tabloid to have him recorded. Question,
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  Speaker 1: but in fact, he was recorded, wasn't he? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and he was recorded in a conversation with you when
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  Speaker 1: you tried to get him to get you drugs, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and that became a big tabloid spectacular, wasn't it? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and that was because of his standing in connection to
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  Speaker 1: the royal family, correct? Answer, yes. Question, and it was
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  Speaker 1: quite embarrassing for him and his family, correct? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: can't speak to his experience of it. Question, you can't
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  Speaker 1: even imagine that he would have been an embarrassing for him?
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  Speaker 1: Pomerantz objection, the court sustained. Question, well, you were embroiled
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  Speaker 1: in that as well. Your name got in the paper
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  Speaker 1: about it, didn't it? Pomerantz objection. The court sustained. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was that an embarrassing experience for you? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and were you paid approximately 40,000 pounds for your involvement
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  Speaker 1: in that, weren't you? Answer, I wasn't paid anything. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you just did it for free? Answer, did what? Question
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  Speaker 1: embroiled that acquaintance in a drug scandal. Pomerantz objection to form.
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  Speaker 1: The court sustained. Question, did you have any conversation with him,
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  Speaker 1: asking him to get you any drugs? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was the conversation recorded? Answer, I believe so. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: was that conversation and the circumstance surrounding that publicized in
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  Speaker 1: a British tabloid? Answer, yes. Question, and as you said,
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  Speaker 1: it was embarrassing for you, correct? Answer, yes. Question, now
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  Speaker 1: I want to speak to you for a few minutes
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  Speaker 1: about your interactions with Epstein, okay? Answer, yes, okay. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you were aware that sometimes toward the late 2000, Epstein
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  Speaker 1: was incarcerated, correct? Answer, yes. Question, and you sent him
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  Speaker 1: pictures while he was in jail, didn't you? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't recall that. Question, do you recall having emailed correspondence
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  Speaker 1: with him? Answer, yes. Question, do you recall that he
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  Speaker 1: asked for pictures and you agreed to send him pictures? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall that. Question, during the course of your
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  Speaker 1: preparation with the government, were you shown any of the
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  Speaker 1: emails that you had with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, sorry. Is
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  Speaker 1: the question, was I shown by the government my emails? Question, yes. Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you talk to the government about the emails? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and did you talk about having sent pictures to Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein while he was in jail? Answer, no. Question, well,
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  Speaker 1: let me show you. I'm going to ask you to
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  Speaker 1: look at your tab. The court tell the government and
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  Speaker 1: the tab first. Bobby Sternum, I'm getting to it, Judge.
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  Speaker 1: Just a moment. I'm going to refer the government, the court,
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  Speaker 1: and Kate to tab 3513-019. And it may be at 019.
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  Speaker 1: The court, I don't have any tabs by 3500. Sternum,
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  Speaker 1: may we put it on the screen for the witness
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  Speaker 1: in the court? Judge Nathan, sure. But you have to
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  Speaker 1: direct the government. Do you have it, Ms. Pomerantz? Bobby Sternum,
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  Speaker 1: I will show them. Pomerantz, yes, your honor. I have it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Judge Nathan, thank you. Question by Bobby Sternum
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  Speaker 1: back to Kate. Question, Kate, do you see the one
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  Speaker 1: that's marked 3513-019? Answer, yes. Question, do you recognize that? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you recognize that to be an email correspondence that
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  Speaker 1: you had with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, yes. Question, and does
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  Speaker 1: that have to do with correspondence that you had with
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  Speaker 1: him while he was in jail? Answer, yes. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: that correspondence has to do with sending pictures to him, correct? Answer, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Sternum, Your Honor, I would move this into evidence
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  Speaker 1: as 3513-019. Judge Nathan, can you give it an identification
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  Speaker 1: trial exhibit, please? Bobby Sternum, Defendant K-8. Pomerantz, Your Honor,
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  Speaker 1: the government objects hearsay. The court sustained. Question, did you
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  Speaker 1: send pictures to Jeffrey Epstein while he was in jail? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you tell him you would send him pictures? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and did you sign your correspondence to Jeffrey Epstein? Best love, always, Kate. Answer, yes. Question, now,
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  Speaker 1: you maintained email correspondence with Epstein even after he was
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  Speaker 1: in jail, didn't you? Answer, I don't recall. Question, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to ask you to look at what's been marked
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  Speaker 1: as 3513-014. Question. Just going back for a moment, the
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  Speaker 1: correspondence that you had with Epstein concerning pictures, which you
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  Speaker 1: claim you didn't send them, was in 2008, correct? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: If that's what it said, then that would be accurate. Question. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't deny that you had email correspondence with him. Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I do not deny that. Question. Okay. Now, looking at
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  Speaker 1: this next exhibit, 3513-014, do you see that? Answer. Yes. Question. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: do you recognize that to be the email correspondence that
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  Speaker 1: you had with Epstein? Answer yes. Question, correspondence that you
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  Speaker 1: had with him in 2011? Answer yes. Question, and do
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  Speaker 1: you recall telling Jeffrey that you, Pomerantz Objection, Your Honor,
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  Speaker 1: the court sustained? Question, Did you at any point attempt
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  Speaker 1: to visit Epstein in New York? Answer. Yes. Question. Did
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  Speaker 1: you contact him for the purpose of arranging a visit
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  Speaker 1: for him in New York? Answer. I felt compelled to
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  Speaker 1: contact him. Question. I did not ask you that. I
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  Speaker 1: asked you, did you contact him? Answer. Yes, I did. Question.
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  Speaker 1: You initiated email contact with him, correct? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: You initiated contact because you wanted to meet with him
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  Speaker 1: in New York. Answer. Yes. Question. And you also asked
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  Speaker 1: if you could stay at his place in New York, correct? Answer, yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And then you learned that he was not in New York, correct? Pomerantz,
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  Speaker 1: Your Honor. Objection. The court, to the question, you learned
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  Speaker 1: he was not in New York? Pomerantz, Your Honor, to
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  Speaker 1: the series of questions, about this goes to hearsay. Bobby Sternum, Judge,
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  Speaker 1: may we approach? The court overruled. Question. You initiated contact
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  Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein in 2011, correct? Answer, yes. Question. You
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  Speaker 1: asked to visit with him in New York, correct? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: You asked if you could stay with him in New York, correct? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: He was not in New York, correct? Answer. Apparently. Question.
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  Speaker 1: You learned that he was in Paris, correct? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Throughout the years, you maintained contact with Jeffrey Epstein, correct? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: You had emails that support the contact you had with him, correct? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: You You don't have any email correspondence with Ghislaine, do you? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when was the last time you had communication with Epstein? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: probably in my early 30s. Question, give me a date, please. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a date. Question, when you were in
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  Speaker 1: your early 30s. Answer, I'm not sure I understand. Question, well,
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  Speaker 1: you just said that you were in your early 30s.
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  Speaker 1: I asked you for a date, and you said you
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  Speaker 1: don't have one. Please tell me the years in your
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  Speaker 1: early 30s. Answer, okay, well, I'm 44 now, so it's 2021.
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  Speaker 1: probably within 10 years ago and before that. Question, so
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  Speaker 1: fair to say, through 2012, you were in contact with them? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: quite possibly so. Question, or maybe even later, answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you just stopped at some point? Answer, yes. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: you stopped at the point that you became a mother, correct? Answer, yes.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off. All the information that goes with
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