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TRACK STAR STABBED DEAD, SUSPECT WALKS FREE, VICTIM’S ATTACKED, HOME “SWATTED” · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: The Texas track star stabber walks free, walks free after
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Speaker 2: a brutal stabbing of a football star. This as the
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Speaker 2: victim's family is attacked. The victims mother's home swatted. This
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Speaker 2: as we learn the killer's family is set to buy
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Speaker 2: a new house with donations. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Accused team killer Anthony Carmelo pleads with a Texas judge
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Speaker 3: for a lower bond on the basis of his age
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Speaker 3: and lack of criminal record, despite allegedly stabbing the death
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Speaker 3: a fellow student at a track meet. The judge meets
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Speaker 3: his demands.
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Speaker 2: What okay, If we have the fact correct, the suspect
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Speaker 2: stabbed an unarmed teen boy. But yet I'm hearing that
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Speaker 2: the suspect has walked free. I am also learning that
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Speaker 2: it was urged in court that the suspect has no
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Speaker 2: criminal history.
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Speaker 1: He's a juvenile. I'm listen to this.
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Speaker 4: Anthony's father was questioned about an incident involving his son
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Speaker 4: that happened at Carmelo's high school in February. The Daily
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Speaker 4: Mail refers to the incident as an altercation assault. But
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Speaker 4: as the situation was handled internally by the Frisco Independent
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Speaker 4: School District, it is unclear if Anthony was the aggressor
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Speaker 4: or mereleia witness to the incident, or even what type
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Speaker 4: of incident occurred.
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Speaker 5: And his brother was holding him, trying to hold the
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Speaker 5: blood in and he passed. My son watched his brother
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Speaker 5: die in his arms.
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Speaker 2: That's from our friends at Fox for Dallas Fort Worth News. Okay,
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Speaker 2: let me understand this straight out to trial lawyer Lisa Herrick,
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Speaker 2: partner at Vargie Somerset and former juvenile prosecutor Lisa, thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us when I can't get a
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Speaker 2: straight answer. That makes me think that there is subterfuge.
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Speaker 2: So if the suspect, who is the admitted stabber of
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Speaker 2: an unarmed team at a high school track meet.
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Speaker 1: When the stabber's.
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Speaker 2: Camp is asked about an incident involving an assault at
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Speaker 2: the school and I can't get a straight answer, it
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Speaker 2: tells me that somebody is covering.
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Speaker 1: Because if the suspect was just a.
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Speaker 2: Witness to an assault, or a good samaritan or the
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Speaker 2: champion that's stopped the whole thing, we would have heard
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Speaker 2: that wouldn't we I mean, they're trying to get bond.
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Speaker 1: They did get bond, So what is this prior ansident?
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Speaker 2: And does it concern you that when the suspect's father
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Speaker 2: is questioned about this, as he's urging his son's a
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Speaker 2: good character, we don't get a straight answer.
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Speaker 6: Well, what I would want to know is where any
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Speaker 6: criminal charges brought because of it? And or was Carmelo
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Speaker 6: suspended or expelled or did he have any sort of
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Speaker 6: school disciplinary action as a result of it, Because if
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Speaker 6: neither of those things are true, it does make me
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Speaker 6: believe that he probably wasn't the aggressor. Criminal charges don't
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Speaker 6: necessarily have to be brought due to a fight at school,
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Speaker 6: but schools are very likely to have some sort of
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Speaker 6: disciplinary action because of a fight at school, especially if
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Speaker 6: it was one sided, especially for a person who was
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Speaker 6: an aggressor.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it disturbs me that someone is asking for
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Speaker 2: a reduced bond to walk free after stabbing an unarmed
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Speaker 2: teain dead and then not coming clean about what happened
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Speaker 2: at a prior school incident. I mean the father Carmelo
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Speaker 2: Anthony's father was questioned about the incident involving his son
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Speaker 2: at Anthony's high school. So why am I not getting
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Speaker 2: a straight answer, Dave Mack. That changes everything. If there
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Speaker 2: was a prior assault by Carmelo Anthony on another think
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Speaker 2: it through, Dave mac For Pete's sake, this would be
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Speaker 2: a similar transaction if it's true, because Anthony would be
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Speaker 2: attacking another high schooler. I'd like to find out if
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Speaker 2: that victim was armed or unarmed. I'd like to find
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Speaker 2: out if Anthony was armed or unarmed, the extent of
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Speaker 2: the attack. Did it rise to an aggravated assault with
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Speaker 2: fists or feet?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Do we know anything or was that completely glossed over
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Speaker 2: in the Bond hearing. We don't have an answer, right.
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Speaker 7: It was completely glossed o in the hearing, Nancy. The
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Speaker 7: question was what happened and the answer was nothing. It
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Speaker 7: was like a tap dance. We cannot find out any
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Speaker 7: information because it was handled by the school district, by
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Speaker 7: their own investigation, and that's the only thing we know
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Speaker 7: happened at school. They covered I didn't want to say
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Speaker 7: covered up. They said they dealt with it and that
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Speaker 7: was the end of it. Dad didn't volunteer any information
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Speaker 7: whatsoever about his son Ian to be honest as a dad.
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Speaker 7: If my son was accused of doing something, and in
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Speaker 7: this particular case, he hadn't, I would have been screaming, absolutely,
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Speaker 7: here's what happened, and I would tell you the whole
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Speaker 7: story right then. I wouldn't just walk away like I
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Speaker 7: needed an umbrella to get out of the sun.
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Speaker 2: Take a look at the suspect, actually not really a suspect,
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Speaker 2: because he has admitted that he stabbed Austin Metcalf unarmed
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Speaker 2: at a truck meet.
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Speaker 1: Here is Carmelo Anthony as he is leaving the courthouse.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen, Carmela, why weren't you on that store?
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Speaker 2: How the day? That's one of our friends at Fox
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Speaker 2: for Dallas Fort Worth News to Kady Barbara joining me
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Speaker 2: my san Antonio dot com what happened at the bond hearing?
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Speaker 8: But his attorney was asked about the knife and he
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Speaker 8: refused to answer a question about it. He said, he
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Speaker 8: just said, for unknown reasons, Carmelo brought the knife to
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Speaker 8: the school. But uh and the district attorney also acknowledged
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Speaker 8: that it was for unknown reasons. So they're not prepared
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Speaker 8: to go into that conversation. But it seems to be
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Speaker 8: the most pressing comment or most pressing detail about the
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Speaker 8: case right now?
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Speaker 1: Okay?
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Speaker 2: Who asked who about why the knife was brought to
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Speaker 2: the track mate?
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Speaker 8: Howard's attorney was asked by the media after the hearing
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Speaker 8: about this, and he just said it would be irresponsible
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Speaker 8: for me or them to say, uh there why he
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Speaker 8: brought the knife, and they're asking the public to with.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So hold on, Katie Barber. Let me understand.
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Speaker 2: I asked you what happened to the bond hearing, and
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Speaker 2: you told me something that happened outside the bond hearing.
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Speaker 1: But I want to follow up on that.
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Speaker 2: You're telling me that Carmelo, Anthony's lawyer was asked why
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Speaker 2: Anthony brought a knife to the track meet?
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Speaker 1: Do I have it right so far? Katie Barber?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, he was asked why he brought the knife?
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Speaker 9: Right?
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Speaker 2: I got it, Yes, I got it. I got it
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Speaker 2: the first time. So hold on right there. Lisa Herrick
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Speaker 2: veteran trial lawyer who has handle cases in JUVI juvenile justice.
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Speaker 2: So the lawyer wouldn't answer why Anthony brought a knife
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Speaker 2: to a track meet. Here's my question. I'm sure you're
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Speaker 2: familiar with implicit.
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Speaker 1: Intent to commit a crime. Are you not yes.
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Speaker 2: For instance, if I say, okay, Lisa Herrick, I've got
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Speaker 2: a gun, it's loaded, and now I'm going to kill
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Speaker 2: you bam. That's explicit. It's stated, and the law recognizes that.
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Speaker 2: But there is also implicit intent. For instance, if I
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Speaker 2: reach into my gym bag and take out a knife
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Speaker 2: and shove it into your heart, I don't have to say, Lisa,
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Speaker 2: now I'm going to stab you dead. It's implicitly proven
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Speaker 2: by my actions. I don't have to announce them. This
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Speaker 2: is the problem Carmelo Anthony's lawyers are going to have.
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Speaker 2: Implicit and explicit intent are equal in the eyes of
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Speaker 2: Lady Justice. Under the law, they carry equal weight. Him
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Speaker 2: bringing a knife and in using it to stab someone
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Speaker 2: dead is implicit intent to commit a crime. That's why
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Speaker 2: the lawyer wouldn't answer that question, Lisa Herrick.
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Speaker 6: I think that's possibly why you wouldn't answer. I also
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Speaker 6: like to know what kind of knife it was. If
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Speaker 6: we're talking about a largely hunting knife, there's probably no
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Speaker 6: reason why he should be carrying that. Maybe there is,
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Speaker 6: and his attorneys just don't feel like disclosing that at
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Speaker 6: this point. But if fits a small pocket knife or
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Speaker 6: like a Swiss army knife. Maybe he carries that for
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Speaker 6: other reasons. Maybe he just happened to have it in
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Speaker 6: his backpack and used it for self defense. We don't
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Speaker 6: know what kind of knife it was at this point,
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Speaker 6: or at least I don't know, and I think that
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Speaker 6: that makes a difference.
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Speaker 1: I think that matters, you know what.
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Speaker 2: I think you're right, Lisa Herrick. I think you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: If it's a pen knife or a folding knife, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: a lot of guys might carry those around. You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: So the type of knife is going to be very important.
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Speaker 2: It's my understanding. It's a fixed blade. I don't know that.
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Speaker 2: In other words, not a knife that you fold out.
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Speaker 2: It's a knife with the blade attached and it's not foldable.
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Speaker 2: But we'll find out. That's a really good point, you know,
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Speaker 2: isn't it interesting at Leasta Herik, how one small fact
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Speaker 2: can change the terrain topography of the case. Because if
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Speaker 2: he shows up like a knife, for instance, out of
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Speaker 2: the Brian Coburger case, a fixed blade army knife, right,
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Speaker 2: a military style knife with a sheath, that's much more
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Speaker 2: menacing and much more of an implicit threat to commit
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Speaker 2: a crime, as opposed to a foldable penknife. You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: I want to get back to the bond hearing. I
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Speaker 2: want to find out why the known, the admitted stabber
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Speaker 2: of an unarmed boy at a track meet for Pete Sega,
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Speaker 2: a high school track meet, has walked free.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 7: Just before his bond hearing, Carmelo Anthony's family retains Mike Howard,
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Speaker 7: a Dallas criminal defense attorney. The change of attorney is
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Speaker 7: announced by the Next Generation Action Network, a nonprofit that
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Speaker 7: is supporting Carmelo Anthony. Howard represents Anthony in court as
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Speaker 7: the defense seeks to have bond for Anthony lowered from
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Speaker 7: one million dollars to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 4: Prosecutors question Andrew Anthony, the father of the accused, why
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Speaker 4: Carmelo Anthony should have his bond reduced when the family
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Speaker 4: has already raised over four hundred thousand dollars from a
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Speaker 4: crowdfunding site.
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Speaker 2: Dave Matt let me understand what was happening in the
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Speaker 2: bond hearing. There is there was a huge bond set
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Speaker 2: because this is a murder case.
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Speaker 1: That's how it's being prosecuted.
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Speaker 2: The defense wants a bond hearing, at which a lot
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Speaker 2: of questions are not answered, but it's their motion. They're
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Speaker 2: the ones that file for a lowered bond. Now we
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Speaker 2: find out at this hour the family Carmelo Anthony, the
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Speaker 2: established family, has raised nearly four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: So why do they need the bond reduced? I don't
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Speaker 2: get it, because if the bond is a million dollars,
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Speaker 2: what a definant puts up is ten percent. That's one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. They've gotten nearly half a million dollars
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Speaker 2: raised by the public for the defense, not for the funeral,
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Speaker 2: not for the victims family, but for the defense. So
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Speaker 2: why Dave did they need a bond lowered if they've
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Speaker 2: raised more than enough money to pay their own bond.
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Speaker 7: Actually, that was a question that came up during the
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Speaker 7: bond hearing and was asked if Carmelo Anthony's father Andrew.
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Speaker 7: And Andrew Anthony said he does not have access to
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Speaker 7: those funds. Is a very fine line here, Nancy, between
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Speaker 7: what is truth and what is exact words, And technically
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Speaker 7: he does not have access to those funds himself. But
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Speaker 7: according to what we've.
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Speaker 1: Seen, Wait, what are you saying the family is.
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Speaker 2: Give Send Goo right GSGU so it's in their name,
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Speaker 2: why don't they have access to it?
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Speaker 7: His mother, Carmelo Anthony's mother is on that account and
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Speaker 7: she would have direct access to that money. But what
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Speaker 7: are you, Anthony is not?
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Speaker 1: Are you saying that with a straight faith? You're saying
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Speaker 1: I am.
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Speaker 2: The dad and the son are in court saying we
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Speaker 2: can't access the nearly half a million dollars, but my.
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Speaker 1: Mom can, but she's not doing it, So lower my bond?
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Speaker 1: Are you serious?
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Speaker 7: In the bond hearing, Barmelo Anthony's father is on the
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Speaker 7: stand and is asked about the over four hundred thousand
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Speaker 7: dollars that in this gifts End Go account and he
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Speaker 7: said with a straight face, he does not have direct
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Speaker 7: access to those funds. That's why the defense could put
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Speaker 7: him up on the stand for the bond hearing and
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Speaker 7: he could actually say that. It's like the Brady Bunch
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Speaker 7: exact words episode. Now Tarmelo Anthony's mother, she is on
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Speaker 7: the gifts End Go account and does have access.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 7: As law enforcement and paramedics arrive on scene, the rain
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Speaker 7: is falling harder. One officer moves the memorial tent over
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Speaker 7: the victim of medics trying to save his life and
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Speaker 7: finding the bloody knife in the stands, quickly takes photos
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Speaker 7: of it before the rain could wash away all the blood.
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Speaker 7: A blue tarp is used to cover the knife in
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Speaker 7: an effort to preserve the evidence, and because it was
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Speaker 7: so windy, the officer uses a nearby backpack to weigh
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Speaker 7: down the tarp. He doesn't realize at the time the
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Speaker 7: backpack belongs to suspect Carmelo Anthony.
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Speaker 3: Centennial High School's Carmelo Anthony reaches inside his bag, grabs
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Speaker 3: a knife, and stabs Austin Metcalf in the chest underneath
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Speaker 3: the memorial's high school pop up tent, and then he
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Speaker 3: runs away as Metcalf's twin brother, Hunter comes to his
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Speaker 3: brother's aid. Witnesses point out Anthony to a nearby middle
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Speaker 3: school resource officer, who chases the suspect down.
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Speaker 10: First off, Roze for I didn't know what to do
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Speaker 10: and then saw my.
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Speaker 2: Fall go over there, you were just saying, Austin's twin
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Speaker 2: brother and his mother with our friend at the Will
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Speaker 2: Caine show over on Fox, joining me in All Star
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Speaker 2: panel making sense of the fact that a stabber killed
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Speaker 2: an unarmed high school track star and has walked free.
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Speaker 2: I've heard from the bond hearing about how the stabber's
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Speaker 2: family needs to quote survive, how they need more money
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Speaker 2: in addition to the nearly half a million dollars they
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Speaker 2: have raised online. But Dave mac, I've heard very little
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Speaker 2: about what the victim's family has endured. On top of
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Speaker 2: their son being murdered with his twin brother trying to
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Speaker 2: stop the flow of blood.
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Speaker 1: In addition to that, we now.
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Speaker 2: Know there have been attacks on the victims family and
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Speaker 2: the victim, Austin Metcalf's mother's home was swatted.
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Speaker 7: What happened, Nancy, It's almost like a media blackout. When
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Speaker 7: it got to the victim's family at eight o'clock at night,
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Speaker 7: SWAT they did a nine to one to one phone
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Speaker 7: call giving the address of Austin Metcalf's mother and saying
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Speaker 7: somebody has been shot in the mouth. And this person
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Speaker 7: stays on the phone for an extended period of time
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Speaker 7: until SWAT can't get out to the residence. They surround it.
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Speaker 7: They build up the whole blue shield around the home.
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Speaker 7: They're trying to get enticed with Austin's mother, Megan, and
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Speaker 7: they can't get her on the phone. Well, her phone
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Speaker 7: isn't working right now, and so she didn't have it
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Speaker 7: with her. She wasn't even home at the time this
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Speaker 7: was going on, Nancy. But they didn't know that. Swatt,
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Speaker 7: didn't know if she had been killed. They didn't know
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Speaker 7: if there were people inside the house. They couldn't figure out.
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Speaker 7: So they're standing outside this house for over an hour
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Speaker 7: trying to figure out what's going on inside. Finally, you know,
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Speaker 7: they get to this point where Megan has made contact
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Speaker 7: with them and they're able to move forward. They sent
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Speaker 7: a drone inside this house that has been swatted Nancy
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Speaker 7: to go through every little thing, and of course they
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Speaker 7: didn't find anybody in there, and they were able to
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Speaker 7: clear the home. This is how this family is mourning,
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Speaker 7: going through police coming and thinking they're being held against
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Speaker 7: their will and being trashed.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand, Dave mac you're talking about Austin Metcalf,
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Speaker 2: the dead boy. His family, his mother's home was swatted.
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Speaker 2: Someone calls police, an anonymous tipster and says a victim
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Speaker 2: has been shot in the mouth inside the home.
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Speaker 7: You have that one hundred percent correct.
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Speaker 2: You know, maybe I'm projecting, but I recall when my
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Speaker 2: fiance was murdered. I couldn't even think straight. I could
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Speaker 2: barely form words. I felt like just howling like an animal.
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Speaker 2: And this is a mother, a mother whose son, a twin,
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Speaker 2: has been stabbed, dad who bled out in the rain
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Speaker 2: at a truck mate, and someone swats her home.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand.
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Speaker 2: Douglas Griffin joining me, senior police officer, President of the
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Speaker 2: Houston Police Officers Union.
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Speaker 1: That's saying a lot.
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Speaker 2: Twenty nine years on the gang Task Force, you've seen
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Speaker 2: it all, Douglas Griffin, How is it that the victims
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Speaker 2: family has somehow become the bad guys in this scenario?
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Speaker 10: I really don't understand it. There's so many questions to
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Speaker 10: this case that you sit there and look at it
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Speaker 10: and go, how did this happen? You have an individual
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Speaker 10: that goes to the wrong tent, not even his school,
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Speaker 10: with the To me, it's almost like he intended to
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Speaker 10: start something somewhere in there. Then on top of that,
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Speaker 10: where are all the coaches and the teachers and the staff,
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Speaker 10: these trackmen events they are There's people everywhere, and for
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Speaker 10: this to end up the way it did, is just
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Speaker 10: a tragedy and it should never have happened. And I'm
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Speaker 10: still unfounded by the fact that he was able to
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Speaker 10: get a knife into a school facility like that, and
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Speaker 10: why would you have it in the first place. So
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Speaker 10: there's a lot of questions here that we have to answer.
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Speaker 10: We have to look at the way the school is
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Speaker 10: set up, the hiss were set up, and why it
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Speaker 10: was so easy for him to pull a knife from
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Speaker 10: a bag and stab a student like that.
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Speaker 2: You know, you brought up a really good point, and
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Speaker 2: I haven't thought this aspect through, and that is why
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Speaker 2: Douglas Griffin I would spend so much time with my investigator,
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Speaker 2: Ernest and go over and over all the facts. I
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Speaker 2: guess I knew it, But staring me straight in the face,
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Speaker 2: he Carmelo Anthony, the stabber, the confesstabber. If he hadn't
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Speaker 2: confessed to it. And by the way, I believe it's
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Speaker 2: been caught on video, which I'm getting to, he's not
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Speaker 2: a let. He confessed to it, all right. He walks
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Speaker 2: into the tent during a track mate carrying his bag
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Speaker 2: with a knife in it. He is very clear. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we've all been to high school football games and track events.
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Speaker 2: It was lightly raining, so they have a tent. It's
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Speaker 2: very clear whose tent is who's there's the colors of
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Speaker 2: the school on the tent. There's all the teammates from
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Speaker 2: that school under the tent. They're all wearing their uniforms
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Speaker 2: from that school. It may even have the school's name
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Speaker 2: on the tent. So Carmelo Anthony, the stabber walks into
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Speaker 2: the tent with a concealed knife. Why, just as you said,
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Speaker 2: why would you go into the other side's tent with
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Speaker 2: a knife if you were not looking for trouble to
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Speaker 2: Katy Barbara joining me, content producer at my San Antonio
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Speaker 2: dot com. Was the track event still ongoing? I take
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Speaker 2: it that it was, since so many guys were still
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Speaker 2: under the tent at.
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Speaker 8: The time of the stabbing. It was a rain delay,
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Speaker 8: so everybody had taken a beat and they were waiting
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Speaker 8: for the rain delay to be over when the fight
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Speaker 8: first began.
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Speaker 2: So simply that's a yes, the event was still ongoing.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean to me? That means to me
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Speaker 2: that there are going to be a lot of witnesses
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Speaker 2: and everybody waiting for the rain delay to end.
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Speaker 1: We're all huddled under that tent.
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Speaker 2: There was no way that Anthony did not know he
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Speaker 2: was going in.
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Speaker 1: The wrong tent, no way with a knife.
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to clarify that it's not like the
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Speaker 2: track meet was over and everybody was gone and the
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Speaker 2: only one sitting under there was Austin Metcalf and that
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Speaker 2: somehow he Carmelo.
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Speaker 1: Anthony didn't know where he was going.
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Speaker 2: No, he went into the other side's tent with a knife. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Dave mac you mentioned that Austin's mother's home was swatted
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Speaker 2: with someone saying someone had been shot in the mouth
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Speaker 2: in the home, so police swarm the place. What about
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Speaker 2: threats on Austin's father.
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Speaker 7: He has been getting threads since this first began, by
22:44
Speaker 7: text messages, by phone calls, Nancy, This grieving father had
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Speaker 7: a person show up at his house banging on the
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Speaker 7: door and he had to call police. He is under
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Speaker 7: attack online on everywhere you can imagine. And again, the
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Speaker 7: scariest thing I can think of is somebody you don't
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Speaker 7: know showing up at your address knowing who you are,
23:13
Speaker 7: and that happened to him. I don't even know how
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Speaker 7: you go to sleep at night knowing that people can
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Speaker 7: find you and they're going to they're verbally violent towards you,
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Speaker 7: and you're the victim.
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Speaker 2: I just don't understand how this has gotten so best Awkwards.
23:30
Speaker 2: Neither family is the bad guy. Carmelo Anthony's family not
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Speaker 2: the bad guy. The victim's family certainly not the bad guy.
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Speaker 2: So how has the victim's family turned into the scapegoat here?
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Speaker 2: Why is the mom's house getting swatted? Why is the
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Speaker 2: dad getting threats? People showing up bamming on his door.
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Speaker 2: This in the last seventy two hours, they have put
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Speaker 2: their son in the ground.
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Speaker 1: They have been to his funeral.
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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine anything worse than that. I want
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Speaker 2: you to listen to the dad, Jeff Metcalf with Fox.
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Speaker 5: Four, and his brother was holding him, trying to hold
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Speaker 5: the blood in, and he passed. My son watched his
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Speaker 5: brother die in his arms.
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Speaker 2: The father, Jeff Metcalf, describing the moment his son Austin
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Speaker 2: was stabbed dead at a high school track. Meete that
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Speaker 2: from our friends at Fox for Dallas Fort Worth News.
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Speaker 3: Friends and family morn as they gather for seventeen year
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Speaker 3: old Austin Metcalf's funeral after the Texan teen is stabbed
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Speaker 3: to death in the bleachers at a high school track.
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Speaker 2: Meet, described as a quote true warrior. An entire community
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Speaker 2: mourning the death of a Texas high school football star,
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Speaker 2: track star as well, Austin Medcalf, just seventeen years old.
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Speaker 2: These are shots that we've obtained from the memorial. A
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Speaker 2: heartbroken community gathering to mourn the death of a teen boy,
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Speaker 2: an outspoken Christian whose life cuts short doing a stabbing
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Speaker 2: at the high school track meet. We understand that the
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Speaker 2: facility was brimming with people. The mom, Megan Metcalf, described
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Speaker 2: the day she found out she was having twins. She
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Speaker 2: was scared to death or life was going to change,
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Speaker 2: she said. She says it changed into such a blessing
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Speaker 2: to have her boys by her side end quote. For now,
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Speaker 2: instead of you walking beside me, I will accept you
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Speaker 2: being above me. I love you, my big baby, Dave, Matt.
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Speaker 2: What happened at the.
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Speaker 1: Funeral, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: They did the public funeral for the community, for family
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Speaker 7: and friends, and it was an outpouring of affection, of love,
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Speaker 7: of peace. It was the most amazing things that were
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Speaker 7: said about Austin that the family was talking about how
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Speaker 7: he had impacted the lives of so many people. His
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Speaker 7: family said that during the funeral, people that he didn't know,
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Speaker 7: adults who had children that knew Austin from school. They
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Speaker 7: came up and said, I know you don't know me,
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Speaker 7: but I need you to know your son impacted my son.
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Speaker 7: He changed my son's life for the better. That's the
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Speaker 7: type of outpouring that was there for the family, things
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Speaker 7: that were not even aware of of how Austin had
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Speaker 7: impacted so many people through his leadership, through his passion,
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Speaker 7: not just sports, Nancy, We're talking about a young man
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Speaker 7: who was active in all aspects of life. He wasn't
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Speaker 7: just the jock, you know, he wasn't just the hunter.
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Speaker 7: He was so many things, and he seemed to just
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Speaker 7: always put other people first. And that's what came out
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Speaker 7: at the funeral.
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Speaker 2: Joining me psychologist mediator specializing in forensic psychology, doctor John Delatory.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us. I have
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Speaker 2: learned during the night that the father of Austin Metcalf
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Speaker 2: stated that he feels forgiveness toward the killer and that
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Speaker 2: he has actually been attacked because he felt forgiveness.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to forgive. But I've learned through another source.
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Speaker 1: He says he.
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Speaker 2: Forgives Anthony Carmelo Anthony the stabber, as much for Anthony
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Speaker 2: but for himself, because he doesn't want to be consumed
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Speaker 2: with hate. But what I don't understand is why people
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Speaker 2: are attacking him for speaking about forgiveness and attacking the
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Speaker 2: victim's family. What is happening, doctor Delatory?
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Speaker 11: I think when it comes to these individuals that are
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Speaker 11: willing to co opt the hate that mister Metcalf is
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Speaker 11: trying to move past. Now, that's a strong man. His
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Speaker 11: son just died. That's a strong man to say, you
28:39
Speaker 11: know what, I see that Carmelo Anthony is not a
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Speaker 11: villain in this story. I don't want to hold hate
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Speaker 11: in my heart. That's going to keep me down. My
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Speaker 11: son Austin wouldn't want that. But there are other individuals
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Speaker 11: who would say, no, you have to be angry, you
28:55
Speaker 11: have to be mad, and I'm going to show you
28:57
Speaker 11: what it means when you act mad. So they're trying
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Speaker 11: to co opt this tragedy, right, and make people understand
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Speaker 11: that the only thing to feel is hate, and mister
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Speaker 11: Metcalf doesn't want any of that. But because he doesn't
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Speaker 11: want any of that, and these people expect him to
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Speaker 11: feel it. They're now willing to target him for not
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Speaker 11: feeling the way that they expect him to feel the
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Speaker 11: way that they want to feel.
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Speaker 1: With the family in mourning.
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Speaker 2: And trying to fight off personal attacks on the mom,
29:32
Speaker 2: the dad, the home, the job. We are learning and
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Speaker 2: a probative development tonight that there is video of the stabbing.
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Speaker 1: Listen, they have collective video.
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Speaker 11: So it is a video of Anthony.
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Speaker 9: Yes, they have collective video.
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Speaker 11: Oh, there is a video of the actual stabbing.
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Speaker 1: There's video.
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Speaker 9: There are several different video that they verified that is.
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Speaker 2: From our friends that Next Generation Action Network. Okay, straight
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Speaker 2: out to Katie Barbara joining US digital content producer my
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Speaker 2: san Antonio dot com. Katie, what can you tell me
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Speaker 2: about potential video of the stabbing.
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Speaker 8: It's the first time that we've heard about video so
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Speaker 8: far in this case. There has been nothing in any
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Speaker 8: of the police reports, interviews from police in the initial
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Speaker 8: incident about any of this videos. This is a very
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Speaker 8: new development and it'll be a really big development in
30:32
Speaker 8: the case if it can actually shed some light on
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Speaker 8: the altercation itself and corroborate the details.
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Speaker 2: Of you were just hearing Dominique Alexander, spokesperson for the
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Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony family stating upon questioning the question, is there
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Speaker 2: is video of the actual stabbing, and Alexander.
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Speaker 1: Responds, there is video.
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Speaker 2: There are several different videos that they verified. Sounds like
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Speaker 2: to me we'll find that not in the initial police report,
31:06
Speaker 2: but in a supplemental report, which details the investigation once
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Speaker 2: the original police report is taken.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. Think about it, Lisa Herrick.
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Speaker 2: In this day and age, with everybody watching Law and
31:20
Speaker 2: Order and every other crime story, crime TV or TV series.
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Speaker 1: Or movie they want DNA, they.
31:29
Speaker 2: Want a video, there may very well be video of
31:33
Speaker 2: this stabbing event, and that is very very rare and
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Speaker 2: a homicide prosecution that may very well be state's exhibit
31:43
Speaker 2: number one. On the other hand, as you pointed out
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Speaker 2: earlier with your observation regarding the knife, it could be
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Speaker 2: the defense exhibit number one.
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Speaker 1: What will the video show?
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Speaker 2: And I imagine, Lisa, that there's tons of video of
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Speaker 2: moms and dads take videos of what was happening. Some
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Speaker 2: of my favorite videos I get of my twins is
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Speaker 2: when they're on the sideline standing there and I get
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Speaker 2: a great shot of them. Also, a lot of my
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Speaker 2: son's friends are involved in sports broadcasting and they cover
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Speaker 2: the entire event. There's a possibility that, for instance, like
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Speaker 2: play on Sports or something that covers high school events,
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Speaker 2: there's a very strong possibility that there is actual broadcast
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Speaker 2: quality for a high school anyway, video of this, This
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Speaker 2: video could be coming from any number of sources, Lisa,
32:42
Speaker 2: You're exactly right.
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Speaker 6: It could be you know, potentially cell phone videos from
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Speaker 6: parents or other kids, which you know, I would be
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Speaker 6: a little more concerned about those because they could just
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Speaker 6: be clipped. They may not show the entire incident from
32:54
Speaker 6: beginning to end. But I would think if there is
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Speaker 6: the kind of broadcast video that you're talking about, if
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Speaker 6: that's just constantly rolling, that's going to be huge. It's
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Speaker 6: going to be so valuable because it's one thing to
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Speaker 6: hear from, you know, maybe from Carmelo if he does
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Speaker 6: testify or if his story is made in testimony at
33:15
Speaker 6: some point. It's one thing to hear his perspective, but
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Speaker 6: it's a completely different thing to see it and to
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Speaker 6: see the body language and to see who puts hands
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Speaker 6: on whom first and where other way.
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Speaker 2: Lisa Herrick, Lisa Herrick, putting hands on the stabber does
33:34
Speaker 2: not justify a mortal wound. For instance, you don't bring
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Speaker 2: a gun to a fistfight. That's not self defense under
33:44
Speaker 2: the law. So when Carmelo Anthony was being escorted out
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Speaker 2: after he ran following the incident, after he threw away
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Speaker 2: the murder weapon, he said, this is self defense, right?
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Speaker 1: Is self defense? No, just because I touch you or
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Speaker 1: touch you.
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Speaker 2: By your shoulders or put my hand on your shoulder,
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Speaker 2: you are not authorized under the law to stab me dead.
34:08
Speaker 2: It's like you take out a fly swatter and I
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Speaker 2: shoot you dead with an oozy. That is not self
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Speaker 2: defense under the black and white letter of the law.
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Speaker 2: So these videos may support the defense, they may support
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Speaker 2: the state. Now what Carmelo Anthony said at the time,
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Speaker 2: and the defense is stuck with this. You can't get
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Speaker 2: away from statements made by the defendant at the time.
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Speaker 2: He said he put his hands on me. I would
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Speaker 2: like to find out what, if anything, that entailed, If
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Speaker 2: it was more than just putting the hand on him,
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Speaker 2: will that rise to self defense?
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Speaker 1: Probably not.
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Speaker 2: Because a weapon was used versus a fistfight or a touch,
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Speaker 2: that is never self.
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Speaker 1: Defense under the law.
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Speaker 2: One other thing, you mentioned that there would be a
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Speaker 2: problem with clips of what happened because it won't show
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Speaker 2: the whole thing. Dis agree. Even clips leading up to, during,
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Speaker 2: or after are probative.
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Speaker 1: Are probative A mom.
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Speaker 2: Or a dad doesn't have to take the video of
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Speaker 2: the whole incident for there to be a video that
35:22
Speaker 2: is contemporaneous with the stabbing. So I think all video
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Speaker 2: clips or photos will come in and it will be
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Speaker 2: up to the lawyers to argue completion.
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Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, I agree with you that any video or
35:37
Speaker 6: like even you mentioned photos will be valuable. I think
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Speaker 6: they'll be probative, and I do agree that they will
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Speaker 6: most likely be admitted if this does go to trial.
35:44
Speaker 6: I think the most valuable videos that exist would show
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Speaker 6: everything from beginning to end, just so there's nothing that's
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Speaker 6: left out, There's nothing that would be misinterpreted, so nobody
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Speaker 6: can say there's something that happened prior to the video rolling.
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Speaker 6: We would know, we'd be able to see well.
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Speaker 3: Talking to the community about spreading false and information online,
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Speaker 3: Dominique Alexander, president and founder of the NGA N tells
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Speaker 3: those assembled that the police have videos of the stabbing
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Speaker 3: death of Austin Metcalf and that they have verified the videos.
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Speaker 3: There has been no description of what the videos may show,
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Speaker 3: or how many different videos they have, or if they
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Speaker 3: will be released to the public. Seventeen year old football
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Speaker 3: star is brutally stabbed to death at a high school
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Speaker 3: track meet, and his accused killer has now been granted
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Speaker 3: a lower bond.
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Speaker 9: The disinformation that is going online is hurting this case
36:45
Speaker 9: and it has to stop. Austin Metcalf and Carmela Anthony
36:50
Speaker 9: did not know each other.
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Speaker 2: That from our friends at Next Generation Action Network. You
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Speaker 2: are hearing the Anthony family spokesperson speaking Dominique Alexander. But
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Speaker 2: it's my understanding that it was from the Anthony camp
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Speaker 2: originally that the stabbing was the result of bullying or
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Speaker 2: some prior incident.
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Speaker 1: Is that right, Dave Mack?
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Speaker 7: That is exactly what has been leaked out in the
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Speaker 7: media on social media in particular, Nancy, this was a
37:21
Speaker 7: spinning story from the very beginning because people were trying
37:25
Speaker 7: to justify why would anyone get stabbed at a track
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Speaker 7: field and field event, and that's what they came up with.
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Speaker 7: They had no basis. In fact, it was just out
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Speaker 7: there in the internet, you know, and people ran with it.
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Speaker 1: So let's be clear.
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Speaker 2: Katie Barber joining me from my San Antonio dot com.
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Speaker 2: There was no bullying by the victim to the defendant.
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Speaker 1: In fact, they never even met each other.
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Speaker 2: There's a photo online allegedly purporting to depict them together.
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Speaker 2: That's a lie, that is missing information, that's not true.
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Speaker 2: Where did all of that come from? Who said that
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Speaker 2: the victim was bullying the defendant.
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Speaker 8: I haven't seen an exact source for it, but it
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Speaker 8: has stuff. It's proliferated on social media.
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Speaker 2: We don't know the origin of bullying claims, but we
38:16
Speaker 2: hear the spokesperson for the Anthony family walking that back.
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Speaker 2: There was no bullying leading up to the victim being
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Speaker 2: stabbed dead. Joining you right now. Doctor Kendall Crown's chief
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Speaker 2: medical Examiner Terran County launching a brand new podcast, Mayhem
38:31
Speaker 2: and the More Key is an esteemed lecturer at the
38:34
Speaker 2: Brenette School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall crowns, while
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Speaker 2: the autopsy, the formal autopsy has not been released, we
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Speaker 2: are getting reports of the cood cause of death.
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Speaker 1: What have you learned from my understanding?
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Speaker 12: It's a cause of death is a stab wound of
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Speaker 12: the chest that involves the heart that of course will
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Speaker 12: cause massive bleeding out after the heart is hit by
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Speaker 12: a knife.
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Speaker 2: Is there any way his brother could have saved him,
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Speaker 2: because we know the twin brother raced over to Austin,
39:08
Speaker 2: held him in his arms as he was dying, and
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Speaker 2: tried to stem the flow of blood.
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Speaker 12: No, there is nothing that he could have done. With
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Speaker 12: the heart being involved by a stab wound, it's going
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Speaker 12: to bleed out quite quickly, within a matter of minutes.
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Speaker 12: Even with his brother putting pressure on the chest trying
39:26
Speaker 12: to stop the bleeding, he's still bleeding internally. The sacks
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Speaker 12: surrounding the heart, called the pair of cardiums filling up
39:32
Speaker 12: with blood, blood spilling into the chest cavity. His brother
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Speaker 12: is not going to be able to be saved. Even
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Speaker 12: if he had been stabbed in the hospital, it would
39:42
Speaker 12: have been difficult for them to have saved him.
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Speaker 5: And his brother was holding him, trying to hold the
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Speaker 5: blood in, and he passed. My son watched his brother.
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Speaker 2: Die in his arms from our friends at Vox four, Dallas,
39:57
Speaker 2: Fort Worth, Neeves as Austin Metcalf's family endure a public
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Speaker 2: memorial service and burying their teen boy. Law enforcement warning
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Speaker 2: the public about disseminating false information. Doctor Kendall Crowns joining
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Speaker 2: me Chief Medical Examiner Terran County and esteemed lecturer doctor
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Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns. How would Austin's body have been preserved in
40:28
Speaker 2: a sense so there could be a viewing or an
40:32
Speaker 2: open casket funeral.
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Speaker 12: Well, the incisions made at autopsy, the boy shaped decision
40:37
Speaker 12: on the chest is covered up by the clothing, and
40:40
Speaker 12: that would also be wound to his chest from the
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Speaker 12: stabbing would be futured closed by the embalmers or the
40:46
Speaker 12: funeral home and that would be covered up as well,
40:48
Speaker 12: so that's covered up with the clothing. The brain is
40:51
Speaker 12: removed during autopsies, so there's an incision made right behind
40:55
Speaker 12: the ear in the hairline, and it goes across the
40:57
Speaker 12: top of your head to your other ear that way.
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Speaker 12: Since it's in the hairline, it's covered up when the
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Speaker 12: funeral home puts it back together, and also when the
41:07
Speaker 12: head's laid in the pillow, the incision line is covered
41:11
Speaker 12: up as well, so they can have an open casket
41:13
Speaker 12: without much problems.
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Speaker 2: As the victim's family is enduring unimaginable pain with the
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Speaker 2: brutal stab death of their son. Ellie warning the public
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Speaker 2: about misinformation for instance, a fake account online alleging the
41:31
Speaker 2: stabbing was because of mutual combat and that Austin quotes
41:36
Speaker 2: Sucker punched Carmelo Anthony. We also understand claims that Metcal
41:43
Speaker 2: smashed Anthony's phone into a bleacher.
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Speaker 1: None of that has been proven.
41:48
Speaker 2: None of that also claims that the victim was high
41:53
Speaker 2: on drugs. That's absolutely not true. To Katie Barber my
41:58
Speaker 2: San Antonio dot com. What is the misinformation, the intentional
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Speaker 2: propaganda being spread, it's twofold.
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Speaker 8: Most prominently is we have a fake post from the
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Speaker 8: police chief of the Frisco Police Department, like you said,
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Speaker 8: saying it was mutual combat, that Austin sucker punched him.
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Speaker 8: But we're also this fake autopsy report about Austin circulating
42:24
Speaker 8: that says that his primary cause of death was actually
42:26
Speaker 8: a drug overdose and secondary cause of death being the
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Speaker 8: stab wound to the chest.
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Speaker 1: And it's not just drugs. It's not just one drug.
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Speaker 8: They're saying it's molly laced with fentanyl, which is unfortunately,
42:39
Speaker 8: a really big problem. We've seen in Texas a number
42:41
Speaker 8: of students die unintentional ventanel overdose.
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Speaker 10: So to have.
42:45
Speaker 8: Something like this circulated when we know that the autopsy
42:48
Speaker 8: report hasn't been released, is not just harmful to the
42:53
Speaker 8: case itself, but also for the family.
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Speaker 1: M d M.
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Speaker 2: A false reports that I was in Austin's system.
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Speaker 1: What more do you know, Dave.
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Speaker 7: Mac well Nanson. What we were able to infer from
43:06
Speaker 7: the press conference with Dominique Alexander is that there were stories,
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Speaker 7: and these continue to circulate, that the two were new
43:15
Speaker 7: one another and were at a party together and there
43:18
Speaker 7: was an altercation at said party. Didn't happen. There was
43:22
Speaker 7: another thing that they decided to meet up at the
43:26
Speaker 7: track meet to settle some score, but they were both
43:29
Speaker 7: actually on the roster of the track and field team
43:33
Speaker 7: for their respective schools. These are the types of things
43:36
Speaker 7: that are being floated out there irresponsibly by a number
43:40
Speaker 7: of people. There was actually another accusation that Austin Metcalf
43:44
Speaker 7: was a white supremacist who was attacking, you know, at
43:48
Speaker 7: willfully attacking Carmelo Anthony with no basis in fact, just
43:54
Speaker 7: put out there for all the world to see via
43:56
Speaker 7: social media. And until we start holding people responsible for
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Speaker 7: this type of post, they're going to keep doing it.
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Speaker 2: Nancy, if you know or think you know anything about
44:06
Speaker 2: the stabbing death of this young man, Austin Metcalf. Be
44:12
Speaker 2: it for the state or the defense, it doesn't matter.
44:17
Speaker 2: This is a procedure to seek the truth, regardless of
44:21
Speaker 2: what that truth is. If you know or think you know,
44:24
Speaker 2: if you know a video, or if you have video
44:27
Speaker 2: or photos, please call the tip line nine seven to
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Speaker 2: two two nine two six thousand, repeat nine seven two
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Speaker 2: two nine two six thousand. We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,