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Conducting an Estes session telepathically?? · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Paranormal
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Lens. This is Angela, the main and one only host.
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Ignore the other two people on the screen because
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I'll be talking. Goodbye. Good job, Angela. I'm
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so proud. I didn't know where to go. Sorry. That
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was really bad. All right. Hi, welcome to the
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Paranormal Lens. My name is Ben. I'm joined by
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my only other co -host, Brianna. Hi. And today,
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I wanted to tell you, Bri, about this interesting
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thing that happened while we were talking to
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our haunted jester cabinet jocks, who's the star
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- No, wait. Hold up. What? Hold up. We need to
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make sure that the other - Audio listeners know
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that there is another person here. Who? Not just
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two. What's this strange voice in my ear? Mysterious
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person. Mysterious person. But. You already introduced
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yourself, Angela. We're keeping in that first
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clip. Oh, are we? Yeah. Oh, okay. You thought
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we would just like. You're like, you thought
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we were going to just clip that out? No, you
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committed. Because it was so bad. Nope. May I
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remind you that we did do a 10 minute intro where
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we played rock, paper, scissors three times over
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an audio podcast. That was so fun though. But
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having this, whatever this is, is still an improvement.
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Somehow. oh it reminds me it reminds me um recently
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so before we get to this crazy paranormal session
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we have to tell you about i have to tell you
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about this movie we saw called groundhog day
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and it's a movie can i mute you welcome to our
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podcast where we take deep dives looking at various
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topics through a paranormal lens All right, now
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that we're back from the intro, we can settle
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into what we're actually trying to talk about.
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And that is, we did a Estes session with our
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haunted Jester Cabinet Jocks, who's also the
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star of Seven and the Mystery of Jocks, which
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actually, by the time you're hearing this, we'll
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probably be at the Midwest Weird Fest next week.
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Screen the film in person. Jocks will be there
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too. Oh my god, that is next week. His head will
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be there for sure, at least. His head. I think
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we should just bring his head, honestly. I think
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we should bring the whole body. How cool would
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it be if we screened the film and then have him
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in the front under the screen just staring back
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at the audience before they even have any idea
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what's about to go on? What's this weird gesture
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cabinet looking at us? I think that would be
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fantastic. That would be really funny. But so
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anyways, that's in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. If
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you're local to the Wisconsin area, come out
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and see us. There's day passes available for
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the film festival. Probably not any full weekend
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passes. At the time we're recording this, only
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a few left, and they'll probably be sold out
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by the time we air this. It might already be
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sold out. Probably will be. uh no chances are
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any life but you can pay by the day uh or by
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the session so come out and see us uh in eau
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claire wisconsin march 5th through 8th um at
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the midwest weird fest um jocks will be there
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so anyways the film is about this haunted jester
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cabinet we have named jocks and we did an ss
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session the other night angela was just like
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let's do an ss session with jocks because i was
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bored and we haven't talked to him forever yeah
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so we did this estus session where i went under
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the estus method i did it the real way with the
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um blindfold and the headphones not um not the
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vr headset or the mirrors or the weird woo -woo
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ways that we tend to do we got like two responses
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off the bat it was weird jox was saying like
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he wants the experience of wires huh yeah no
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what does that even mean no but let's let's let's
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because right after that really quick yeah go
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ahead let's be clear really quick so ben is under
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doing it i'm the one talking and i get like two
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responses yeah that he wants to experience the
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wires and then it gets really weird and then
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It goes absolutely, completely quiet. There is
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nothing coming through. I'm not, Ben's not talking.
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I'm thinking we're getting bit. So I'm talking,
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trying to get like the attention of our other
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haunted objects. I'm like, okay, Josh just isn't
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going to talk to me. Let me talk to David. Nope.
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Something completely different happened. Come
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keep going, Ben. Yeah. got two responses and
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then angela thought the session was dead that
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it was just five minutes of silence and you probably
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thought i was because it was longer than five
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minutes oh i see i have no sense of time when
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i'm under the essence but usually we get a sense
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of when a session is active and when it's dead
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and we don't really waste our time when it's
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dead did you think i was just like why is he
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still under like what's happening i don't know
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what was happening i knew something was happening
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um so i kept trying because when bennett is in
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the uh doing the estes method he gets in like
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this trance and you can tell because he starts
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swaying and nodding his head and being all weird
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you know i'm talking about brianna right yes
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yep maybe no no no what are you talking about
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to be clear i don't start being weird i embrace
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being weird yes ben is just weird all the time
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he just keeps it hidden until he's under estes
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yeah but yeah he was um he was i could tell something
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was happening he was connecting to something
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and there was also another point too where like
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i turned my head to look at him because i'm like
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what the fuck is happening and i saw his necklace
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get um tugged on too like it was hard like it
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moved like to like two inches backwards like
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on his neck it got tugged really hard it wasn't
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just like it settling into with the gravity or
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whatever it like full -on got tugged i felt it
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too because i felt like something like was like
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coming up and for like maybe angela's trying
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to like tap me out or whatever and then i felt
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my neck was good tug so i took the headphones
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and stuff off and i wouldn't have said anything
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necessarily but angela was like i because i saw
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it i i saw it i turned my head and it just happened
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like that the one time i was like looking at
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you doing it so yeah all that was happening um
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yeah and i wasn't saying anything but i i knew
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he was connecting to something so i didn't like
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tap and tap him out or anything i continued to
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try to talk but And happening, something was.
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And this has never happened on an SS session
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before, and we've done hundreds of them. After
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those two responses out of the gate saying, like,
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I want to experience the wires, it said something
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to the effect of, like, don't talk or don't speak.
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And then before... anyone could ask anything
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yeah i i did have the headphones in but it was
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like an immediate response so i knew angela had
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no time to even spit out a response or anything
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you know after that it said to her like it added
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on to her to her and i didn't repeat that out
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loud the to her part i just said don't speak
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and then by the time i got it out yeah i did
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hear uh don't uh don't speak and in my mind i
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just assumed um i don't know who maybe jogs maybe
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david was telling who else is in the apartment
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was us to hey don't talk to her or don't talk
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to them is what i was thinking that's why it
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was so quiet and i didn't i didn't say the to
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her out loud i just thought in my head i thought
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in my head oh because you know i you can't tell
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what's going on in an ss session really you're
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so out of it but like something like that is
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obvious don't speak to her I'm like just thinking
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to myself because I have nothing else to do.
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I'm just in this meditative state reciting these
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words. I'm just like, oh, Jax doesn't want me
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speaking to Angela. That kind of defeats the
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purpose of an essay session. When Ben first told
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me this, I was so like, rude. Jax hates me. But
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then after I thought that in my head, you know,
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I hear a response saying, yeah, don't. So then
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I was like. wait is this jocks did he hear my
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thought that what and then he said yeah so then
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i thought in my head jocks it was the same voice
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that said yeah don't yeah same choice so i thought
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in my head again jocks are you responding to
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me or angela and then i heard same voice say
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you so then i just started i started then just
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thinking questions and i would hear the same
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voice come through and answer not all of them
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but some of them it's typical of a spirit box
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session but you know what you're gonna say this
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kind of defeats one of the main parts of an essay
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session where it's supposed to be unbiased where
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you aren't supposed to know the question being
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asked but still I was thinking a question and
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having it directly told to me through the headphones,
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through the same voice. It wasn't an every question
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thing. I want to reiterate, but it was happening
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enough where, and I kept saying like, jocks,
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this is, you're speaking telepathically or something.
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And I said, yes. And I kept asking, I said, what
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do you want to talk about it? And then I kept
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saying wires. And I said, anyone that's unfamiliar,
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it's like, it's this old antique cabinet. That
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we've been repairing. And it's haunted as hell.
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And I was like. Do you want us to install wires?
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And then a clear voice said inside. We're still
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not quite sure. What that means. We're trying
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to figure it out. And every time I would ask.
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For more details. What do you mean by wires?
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It said can't say right now. And then it just
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kept reiterating. Want to experience. Or want
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to speak. It said want to speak. I was like,
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speak through the wires? Can't say right now.
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But he wanted us to install wires. Yes. Why?
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To speak. To experience. You know, it was just
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like a cycle of just that the whole time. Huh.
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And then I thought to myself, thought to jocks,
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telepathically communicated, I don't fucking
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know. I thought... I was like, I can tell you're
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not answering all of our questions now. Do you
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want us to come up with some like blueprints
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or ideas of ways we can incorporate wires into
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repairing you and kind of do a pitch meeting
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with you and pitch them to you and have you tell
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us if we're on the right track or not? And he
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said, yes. And then that was it. And then we
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got nothing more than my necklace got got tugged.
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So it seems like. And I got a sense, too, it
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was, like, it wasn't, like, a rudeness to Angela.
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It was more so, like, I want these three points,
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like, hammered in. Like, you need to understand
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these three things. I want experienced warriors
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to do this. Can't say any more. So I'm going
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to tell you directly and bypass the whole Estus
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method whatever. Mm -hmm. Huh. But isn't that
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weird? That's really weird, and I don't know
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that I like it. It's weird how that works. I
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don't know how that works. Didn't know Jax could
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do that. I don't like it at all. I didn't know
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anyone could do that. Have you heard of telepathic
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estus session? No. But it's only, like, half
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telepathic. Is it even telepathic? I don't know
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how to describe it other than that. How? How?
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Like, I'm curious, Ben. What was it? like like
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is it a clear voice that was like in your mind
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or was it like a feeling like no it was it was
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the exact same everything about the session was
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the same it was coming through the spirit box
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exactly how any other session would because i
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was thinking it was like the white noise was
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helping you maybe connect with jocks and it was
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still going coming through like your head but
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it was like coming through the actual um headphones
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still you were yeah and i want to be clear this
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this was nothing like you know like in the film
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or whatever like there was no channeling there
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was no like weirdness you know nothing about
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it it wasn't like any i wasn't meditating there
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was nothing about it that was strange other than
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the fact i was thinking the questions and then
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voices were coming through like i wasn't really
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getting into like character like sometimes you
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know sometimes like when i get really deep into
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it i'll like put on a tone or whatever there
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was none of that i don't think i mean we have
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this all recorded but there's not much to hear
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because yeah there's just me talking to who knows
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what what's what about nothing basically i mean
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this is kind of a setup i guess uh We were planning
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on talking about telepathy. We tried recording
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this a couple times, so we really had nothing
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to say on the matter other than we wanted to
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talk about telepathy a little bit. This seemed
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like a good segue, though, kind of a personal
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anecdote. Yeah. Now, telepathy is a strange thing
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because, like, to some extent, telepathy is kind
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of somewhat... real in a way not like telepathy
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like you're probably thinking of of like what
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number am i thinking of right now type of thing
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but like there's a real phenomenon called like
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neural coupling which is like when people are
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on the same wavelength you know when you can
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finish other sentences all the weird um shunning
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sisters shit that you guys do it's like But heightened,
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I mean, when people are like twins, you know,
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like they can feel what each other is thinking,
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the shared pain, you know, mother's instinct
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type of thing. When people are in a jam session
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or improv session, they can just look at their
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bandmates or fellow improv mates and just know
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exactly, you know, there's that synergy there.
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That's kind of, I mean, is it so much of a stretch
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to jump from that real phenomena to think that...
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maybe people who are really in tune with themselves
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and others potentially could pick up on more
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of that shared wavelength? I don't know. What
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are your thoughts? I don't know about the whole
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telepathy thing. What's the leap? What about
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telepathy veers on unbelievability? I think it's
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true. I think it's real. Wait, you just, hang
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on. You said, I don't think it's true. No, no,
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no, no. I said, I think it's true. I think it's
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real. I said it weirdly. Yeah, you did. I'm like,
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those are two different things, Angela. Towards
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the side that I don't think telepathy is real.
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Blake, why not? So if you're talking about the
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neurocoupling like Ben was explaining, yeah,
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that's something that happens. But if you're
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like in your other example of like, oh, what
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number am I thinking of? Or like, I can read
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your mind. No, I don't think so. I don't think
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that's a thing. Let me tell you, I had someone
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when I was... who came into the clinic um it
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was a very weird conversation i could not get
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like we i got trapped in the room with this guy
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because you're just more vibing with him type
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of thing no but anyways after the encounter and
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like he was checking out and i came out to give
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him like the medications for his pet and like
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go over discharge he was like yeah you know I'm,
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like, psychic and can read minds. And, you know,
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I know there's aliens out there because I can
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read their minds from here. And in my brain,
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I'm thinking, sure, dude, that's super cool.
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You have no idea that I'm thinking that you're
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absolutely insane right now. This guy sounds
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fun. It was not a fun encounter. I don't recommend
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it. So, I don't know. Like, my... I don't think
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telepathy is a thing. I think neural coupling
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is a thing. Like people can pick up on each other's
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cues subconsciously and not even realize it,
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but that's still not telepathy. Like that is
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a subconscious recognition of patterns or like
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behaviors in other people or circumstances that
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you just psychologically recognize. so in that
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stance i don't i don't think telepathy is real
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well what about like the i'd say like what about
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the more like okay beyond just like picking up
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on cues like what about like you know beyond
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just so telepathy the way i kind of look at it
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is like intuition applied to a person type of
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thing because like you have like gut feelings
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Then when it's like a mother's instinct, you
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know, or a twin reading a twin's mind type of
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thing, you're sharing pain. Yeah, I still don't
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think those kinds of situations I would distinguish
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as telepathy. Because it's two -way. Yeah? I
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still feel like it's more physiological than
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psychological. you know yeah i get that i get
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that but here's here's my reason why i think
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it's real and i have like i literally have no
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reason to believe it is real it's just there's
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so many different things in this world that are
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unexplained and there's people who claim that
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they can do it and we don't have like i feel
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like we just don't have the right to claim like
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they're lying about it i mean these people can't
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just come out and say this stuff without um without
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people thinking they're crazy you know so they
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keep it to themselves and i believe that there's
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people out there who can do that stuff you know
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like unfortunately unfortunately i don't think
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i think the age of being able to prove telepathy
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is over with how easy it is to access information
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about people these days i don't think it's as
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believable now in 2026 for someone to come up
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to me randomly in a grocery store and be like
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hey I just got this feeling about you or I can
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tell this is weighing heavily on your mind and
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then I totally forgot I posted about that on
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Facebook this morning and it's set to public
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and if someone really wanted to they can find
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it you know we can say that stuff yeah that's
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that's the issue I saw, there is something that,
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speaking of that, like, I saw a lady on TikTok
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who was, like, getting paid to mess with people's
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exes or something. Oh, this sounds fun. And,
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like, literally one of the things was, like,
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this person's ex was, like, they had been, like,
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divorced for a month or something. The guy was
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already engaged to get married to a girl who
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was half her age and was his assistant or something.
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So the ex -wife wanted revenge on him. Not that
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she wanted him back, but she didn't want her
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to have him marry this lady. So she paid this
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lady to pretend to be a psychic and run into
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this guy. in a restaurant and gave him all of
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this background information on him this is great
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and it worked like but there's i don't know like
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that that just made me think of that it was it
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was an interesting um so it's like a psychic
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hitman yeah except it was neither psychic or
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real but um I mean, some people do say, going
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off that, people do say that psychics, instead
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of communicating with the dead, they're communicating
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with us telepathically. And that explains psychic
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phenomena, that psychic phenomena itself isn't
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necessarily, I'm talking to the ghost of your
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mother. It's, I am tapping into you telepathically,
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and I can tell that you're so grieving the death
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of your mother. yeah yeah and see that's where
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i'm still on the side of like i don't think telepathy
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is real like i still think it's more of those
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psychological cues and i feel like people who
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are more in the realm of being psychics mediums
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and empaths what have it they have a more heightened
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senses to be able to pick up those things. We
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talk a lot about vibes on this podcast and I
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feel like those are the sorts of people that
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have the heightened sense to be able to recognize
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those and have been able to train them to recognize
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them. What was that? Sorry. That scared me. That
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scared me because right before that, I felt something
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crawling on my leg, but there's nothing there.
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What are you talking about, Ben? I don't know.
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This is one of those meetings where my pants
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are now off because I'm trying to see if there's
23:55
a bug in my pants. It's okay. It's okay. And
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then Daisy's dog barked. Yep. Now I'm spooked.
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The barn let go of a giant sheet of ice and it
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freaked out the dogs. Oh, poor baby. Yeah. I
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know. It's okay. I know. I know. That's why we
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weren't going outside. Because that was gonna
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fall. Okay. What's happening? Anyways, so I was
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talking about psychic heightened senses. Yeah,
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yeah. And... Yeah, I think it's not like some
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sort of innate ability. It's like just something
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that someone's been able to train to use. Like
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any sort of athlete, you have to use the muscles
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to be able to get better at it. But in that circumstance,
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I still don't think. telepathy is real because
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psychics aren't reading your mind they're reading
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the environment into you do you think it could
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be both because i think the people who are doing
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it like do this stuff mainly for money yeah 100
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are just like reading body language type of shit
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yes with anything there's a bunch of frauds they're
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exploiting people's vulnerability and grief for
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profit and then yep You know, one out of a hundred
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are going to be picking up on something that
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we are calling psychic. Yeah. We're not, when
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we say psychic, I guess the real implications
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of this question, are they picking up on whatever
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telepathically or communicating with the dead?
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There's a lot. If we can prove psychic phenomena,
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what we're calling as psychic phenomena. Okay.
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If we can prove that that's real. What are the
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implications there? If psychics are real, does
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that inherently prove that ghosts are real? If
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they're not talking to ghosts, then it doesn't.
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If psychics are real and psychics are communicating
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with ghosts, that must mean that ghosts are real.
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Right? I mean, correlation isn't causation or
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whatever scientists say. I don't know if that
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applies here, but still, it's like there's implications
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on... Yes, one out of 100 psychics are picking,
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I think we can agree, they're picking up on something
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that is not bullshit. They're bullshit psychics,
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they're non -bullshit psychics, and when they're
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not bullshit, you have to wonder what it is that's
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happening, because I don't think any of us know.
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When we say, oh yeah, that's a credible psychic,
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we're not saying that's someone that's talking
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to a dead person right now. We're saying they...
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They know something about the environment or
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the situation that we don't know. And I think
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that's a fair assessment on psychics. I think
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we can agree on that as a baseline on psychics
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stuff. Yeah. I don't know if that makes sense
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to you or is that how you view it, Bree, Angela?
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Yeah, I'm kind of confused by what you're saying.
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Well, because I personally think that psychics
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just have a very heightened and fine -tuned ability
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that we all kind of do have. Yeah, and that's
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kind of what I was saying. Yeah, I don't personally
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think that psychics are talking. to dead people
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just because I don't even believe in intelligent
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hauntings or that anyone can talk to dead people.
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So then my question is, what are they picking
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up on? Is it residual energy? Is it that they
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are just so... I don't know. Or we can read the
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room. Maybe they just read the room a whole lot
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better than an average person. Or is it telepathy?
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So I was like, I'm thinking about the brain.
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So I was listening to this podcast and there
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were, it was basically talking about trying to
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improve psychic abilities or whatever is true.
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So they did like, you know, the brain readings
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where they like put the caps on and like understand
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like what's going on in your brain. You know
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what I'm talking about? I don't know. I don't
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know what that's called. But they basically found
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this person who claims that she's a psychic and
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can connect with the dead and people's loved
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ones and all that jazz. That she was using multiple
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different parts of her brain. Like, they did
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this while she was doing a reading, by the way.
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So she was like, they... She was using like different
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parts of her brain that most people can't use
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at the same time together. And so the doctor
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or the researcher was saying like, I've never
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seen this before. I didn't even know this is
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possible. How are you even doing this type of
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thing? So then that makes me think, are these
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people who are psychics and claim to be, are
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they just like using a lot of their brain that
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most people can't use somehow? You know what
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I mean? I think that aligns with what I was saying,
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where it's just, like, doing normal things way
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better. Yeah. I think it's kind of like what
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we were both saying. Yeah, exactly. That makes
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me wonder, though, because, you know, when you're
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a kid, and people say, like, when you're a kid,
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that you're more in tune with, like, the other
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side and all that type of stuff, you know? Do
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you think that's... maybe like what our brains
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are like when we're a kid and then we'll just
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develop develop out of it you understand what
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i'm saying yeah hold on let me call a scientist
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i have on speed dial because none of us are scientists
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i actually don't have any scientists on speed
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dial what like i generally want to like understand
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this stuff because i feel like if you can understand
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the brain more and uh what these people's brains
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are like maybe this could explain scientifically
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how they're able to do this type of stuff maybe
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so i say we end this episode kind of early but
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on a plea to anyone listening because we really
30:41
need to hammer this home i don't know any scientists
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on speed dial but i know that there's a few people
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including a particularly enthusiastic Singapore
30:51
listener out there that might know some scientists
30:54
on speed dial. We have 30 years of shared experience
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in the paranormal. It's going to take a lot longer
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to get a degree in, I don't even know what this
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would be, neuroscience or whatever. Who knows?
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Anyone that knows anything about neuroscience,
31:13
about the brain. About telepathy or psychic abilities.
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Please reach out at crossroadsofcuriosities at
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gmail .com. Or any of the socials. Or any of
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the socials. We want to end on a... I don't even
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know what we would call this. A call to action.
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A call to action. Reach out. Alright, say goodbye
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real quick. Let's not dilute this message. Bye!
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