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Ep.257: 'Reflecting On The STA & Hands On Hub Conference' with Anna Maria, Gary, Andy & Matt · The STA Clinician Podcast

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You're listening to the Sports Therapy Association podcast, putting evidence
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back into soft tissue therapy.
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Music.
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Hey people, how you doing? We're live. Welcome to episode 257 of the Sports
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Therapy Association podcast.
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My name is Matt Phillips, creative1chatlive.com. And as always,
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this episode is being recorded live on the Sports Therapy Association YouTube
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channel and Facebook on a Tuesday night at 8pm.
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So in this episode, very shortly, we'll be reflecting on the wonderful,
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if I say so myself, STA and Hands-On Hub conference that took place nearly two
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weeks ago now on the 20th and 21st of September in Exmouth in collaboration with the ST School.
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So to do so, I'll be very shortly joined by Gary Benson, founder of the Sports
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Therapy Association, Anna Maria Mazzieri, Director of the ST School,
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and Andy Hosgood, Coach, Mentor and Unlocker of Human Potential.
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We'll be discussing what factors are important for a successful educational
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conference for soft tissue therapists, how close we got to perfection with the
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STN Hands-On Hub Conference, and how we could maybe improve it in future events.
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We're looking for this episode. And if you've joined us live,
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then please, please, please leave comments, questions, if you made it, if you didn't make it.
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We just want to hear from you as much as possible.
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We really want to hear from you. So what we've done is we've actually set up
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a questionnaire, which you can access via on YouTube.
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There's a scan now up on the page, a QR code, or you can go to the ST School website.
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And if you go on the homepage there and scroll down, you'll also see a QR code
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and also just a button to click if you want to.
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And basically, it's a questionnaire that we're going to go through tonight,
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pretty much most of the questions to stimulate conversation and reflection,
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because we want to hear from you.
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Because if this conference was as successful as people are telling us,
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it's because we listened to what people wanted and that seemed to create a really
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great atmosphere with loads of collaboration rather than competition,
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with loads of reflection. And basically, as we had on the tagline,
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pausing, reflecting, connecting and growing.
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But to make it even better and to get a few things maybe we got wrong right
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this time, we've made this questionnaire with quite a lot of questions on there,
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which we think will help you give us what you want.
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So do please complete that questionnaire.
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And like I say, you can find it on the ST School website, or you can go to YouTube
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and you'll see it on the screen as we chat here.
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And very shortly, it'll be up at the sta.co.uk as well. I would love to hear from you.
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Right, before I bring up tonight's guests, then I just want to thank last week's
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guest, Ben Cormack, founder of Core Kinetic, who gave us episode 256,
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How to Read and Understand a Research Paper.
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I always say this, but it's true. It was an amazing episode.
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It's something I really wanted to do for a long, long time,
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just giving, hopefully empowering listeners in the
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sense of being able to approach a research paper and
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just understand what the hell is going on because they
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can be very intimidating they'd be confusing but ben
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was amazing as i knew would be at breaking it down explaining different
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types of studies like rcts observational systematic reviews
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and then going through things like sample size blinding
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p-values effect sizes between group versus
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within group changes so you could go through there
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and and and take as much as you want to away from
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it if you're familiar with research papers it's not intimidating the
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stuff Bing goes through will allow you to kind of work out hold
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on this doesn't look right or this could have been done better and and
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kind of tell the difference maybe between a high quality study and a lower quality
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study that's not as good so yeah really encourage you to have a look at that
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as always it's available on all popular podcast apps and on youtube if you want
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to watch the video and And you
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can also see all episodes and listen to all episodes at thesdschool.co.uk.
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Right then, tonight's episode. If you listen to the podcast,
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thank you very much. Please do remember to leave a rating and review.
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If you want to see on screen the questions, there is quite a lot of screen sharing tonight.
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So you could well stop the podcast now and go along to YouTube and watch it
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that way. Totally up to you.
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But it gives me great pleasure to start episode 257, reflecting on the STA and
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Hands-On-Head conference with special guests Gary Benson, Anna Maria Mazzieri
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and Andy Hosgood. Let's bring them up.
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Music.
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All welcome to fantastic right good
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to see you all i think it's the first time we've all
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been collectively on the same screen or room since the actual conference which
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seems well to me it seems like a lifetime ago so much
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going on every day busy days but yeah fantastic time
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gary you were a little bit poorly on the conference day
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we had to prop you up no one noticed it no one noticed that bit
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of wood behind you as you were leaning there but how are you feeling now
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you're still a bit under the weather as well haven't you yeah still a
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croaky voice but yeah i'd squirrel myself
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away in that background and listening listening intently and
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try not to cough too loudly to spoil the very passionate
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speakers who were delivering some really great content great
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i'm glad you made it tonight but we won't push you too hard for information
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if you're feeling a bit low andy little birdie
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tells me you've had a bit of a bamboozled day as well just busy as always changing
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lives yeah oh good
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oh god it's uh keeping busy
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but what unfortunately it's my own fault man in
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it i do like getting involved in these things so yeah yeah
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tell me about it we're glad we're very happy you like to get involved in things
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and can't say no we took full advantage of that didn't we anna maria matsieri
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indeed indeed and we were very privileged actually to have you down although
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we probably could do with a an interpreter with your accent but that's fine I know.
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Andy, I mean, I wanted to break that to you.
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I forgot, actually, that Anna Maria, it's easy to understand me,
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Matt Cieri, said that apparently for some people it's difficult to understand you.
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I don't know whether you want to comment on that or just speak to her afterwards. I love it.
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I appreciate the feedback. Thank you. That's so good.
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That's such...
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I appreciate the feedback right yeah i think that means move on okay we will do right so,
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what we're going to do then to try and stay on track because we could have a
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conversation and on so many levels what i thought we'd do is go through some
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of the questions which we've,
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created for listeners and also obviously we'll keep an eye on anybody who's
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joined us live let's just have a little look at who has joined us live stevie
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bar for example hey stevie how are you doing from the Scottish Therapist Facebook
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group. Stevie says, Evening, good people.
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I was there. It was grand. There you go. There's testimony from Stevie.
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Thank you, Stevie, for making the journey down. That's just,
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that showed such a commitment.
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That's why, you know, we say the right people were there because the people, they valued that.
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The experience so thank you it's pretty as just
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yeah yeah we have people from scotland we have people from ireland who
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came over yeah really cool actually thank you stevie and
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you've reminded me actually i will be i won't be seeing you
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alive but i'll be coming up to scotland for the what's it
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called gate analysis course which is going to be starting end of
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october i'm really looking forward to going to calendar which
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apparently is a massive place in scotland easy to get to so that's gonna be
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fun tickets at the sd school.co.uk also cecily hislop is in the house hey cecily
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cecily says good evening conference people hopefully you've all recovered it
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was a fab weekend thank you cecily as well one of the great organizers and volunteers
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who made such a difference
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nicky mansfield says evening groovers i thought it was an awesome conference
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i'm very interested in how you all found it what a great therapist good person
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she just wants to hear how we found it what a natural what a natural right well
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nicky you're going to hear how we found it and we've got hopefully some very
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interesting conversation coming up but we want to hear from you guys as well,
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if you have joined us live and do feel free to put comments in there and we
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will address them as and when they come up.
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Okay, right. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to bring up the questions
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in the order that they appear on the questionnaire there.
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And don't forget, if you listen to this, then you can do this questionnaire
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by going to the QR code or going to ST School website up to the homepage and you'll see a link there.
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So let's bring them up in no particular order and we'll
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see what conversation it sparks so
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obviously the first time i asked was what is your profession because we're keen
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on knowing you know what type of people came along to the conference we wanted
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interdisciplinary and we kind of got it didn't we anybody can answer this i'm
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not going to pick on people who do you remember well what kind of selection
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did we have there when we asked people in the opening ceremony kind of who who was around,
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I was surprised, Matt, by the, as we spoke about earlier, there was a podiatrist
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there, there were several physiotherapists there, and the body artist.
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Body artist, Josie, it's true.
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Osteopaths. Osteopaths as well. Physiolists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and.
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As well as sports therapists, massage therapists. So, yeah, I mean,
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we ticked that box because often there is, we've talked about the show loads,
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haven't we, that this is kind of fear of between interdisciplinary kind of professions
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that are not going to get on or the content isn't going to be valid.
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But I think that was one of the things we achieved.
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Andy, you've kind of been to loads of conferences and events with lots of different
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disciplines, an awful lot of physios.
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What was it like for you going to what on paper might have looked like a massage
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therapist convention? But in reality, it was quite a lot of different people.
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Yeah and i guess matt for me i mean
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i see the world in the way of there was what 100
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humans in the room all looking to improve themselves wasn't there
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and that was that was fundamentally how i see people you know
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a profession is something that i'll oversee
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is it's something that you put on a name badge or it's
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on a certificate rather than you know who it
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is and i think what i saw was a load of people who were
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generally interested in working together i
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think generally interested in learning coming with
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open mind and for me that that was what
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was the strength of it that was from the start wasn't it you know
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from the minute everyone arrived to the minute everyone left you
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know people wanted to participate people wanted to get involved and
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people wanted to be open and i think that
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for me was you know the the ultimate strength
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of the whole weekend but you guys
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set the stage i mean i have no doubt that i
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kept saying no doubt that the right people were in the room people that they
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wanted to invest and in time and but you and matt you really gave the you brought
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it together at the beginning you just set the tone.
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For then what to do next.
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I think that was... So many things came together that they were right, you know?
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But I think one of the things that came together was really right is how you
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guys did the plenary, the welcoming talk.
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It just gave people the tone for the whole conference.
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They knew from then where to go next, how to kind of think or what to think,
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you know, and how to direct the thinking.
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That's good that was our intention we weren't quite sure how it's
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going to come out on paper so that's me buzzing but yeah it's the same as when
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you get a new client isn't it you need the engagement if you go straight into
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something else or start giving them advice or kind of saying or we didn't even
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do that but without that engagement and just showing that there's collaboration
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and and they matter then and and
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i think anyone could well no not anyone could do it we were amazing but,
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it's something that is missing from a lot of conferences wasn't it where they
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don't even do that it's straight on with the first speaker and everyone's kind
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of sitting there not talking to each other and so it was just permission wasn't
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it hey guys how are you doing where you're from,
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you know enjoy and to me also you
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know one of the reason that came from is because of what
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you wanted to create you know i think the vision that you
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guys had created was very much about you wanted
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a collaborative approach you know we know
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don't we for us to collaborate the space
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has got to be right the environment's got to be right to do
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that because we're asking people to you know
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be honest be vulnerable put the hands up you know
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get involved in things with people that you know
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they may be unfamiliar with so i think it's really important you know it it
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looked like it looked like we just come up with that on the spot it's probably
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that was the 14th presentation we did come up with it on the spot yeah we're
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talking about honesty and transparency and It was, you know.
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There was a lot of, you know, but we put a lot of time and effort to really
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work on what that, what that opening piece was like for,
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because the importance for me in any environment, when you, when you're asking people to,
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you know, again, with clients, you know, we're asking people to trust us.
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We're trying to build rapport in a very short amount of time.
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Group of people. I think it was important that we did deliver it that way.
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And I'm very glad and slightly relieved it did as it was intended. So that's good to hear.
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I've got to mention actually, Andy, if we're talking honesty and transparency,
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a couple of people in your life, including the wonderful Izzy,
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who always gets a mention everywhere you go, but they noticed that you were
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more stressed out than you'd been before any event, weren't you?
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You were kind of like, not massively stressed, but you were kind of,
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Well, maybe you're a little bit kind of, oh my God, how's this going to go? Why was that?
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Thank you. Honesty and transparency. Cool. Do you want me to set my timer for you?
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I'll give you two minutes. I'm very comfortable answering it.
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I'm glad you've created the environment for me to feel vulnerable.
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Oh, certainly. I mean, you know, I think one of the things,
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yeah, with me talked about this a lot was you know I feel very very comfortable
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speaking on stage very familiar with it it's something I've done and be very
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privileged to do and a lot of times,
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and I think one of the things for me is when we met originally and we we knew
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you know you and Anna Maria kind of picked this idea of what the conference
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to be I think both of you talk and Gary.
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I mean, Gary's presentation showed at the conference, even though he was under
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the weather, you know, I think one of the, the thing that came from the three
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of you is your passion for what you want to do. And I,
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the sense of responsibility for
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carrying up your three passion and then
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going or just to let you know you're setting the scene we want
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you to try and set the scene to deliver this it was I did feel an utmost sense
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of responsibility because it's not about self is it it's about the bigger thing
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and so for me so yes there was a there was certainly a level of I would really like to get.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I get that.
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I think we all felt that in a sense because this was ours.
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We were not, you know, part of other conferences.
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So, yeah, although, you know, the conferences were thousands of people sometimes
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coming through the doors.
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This one was ours. This is where, you know, literally people,
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you know, we had to uphold the stand.
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And we have to really show up because, you know, the standards we have and what
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we believe, we needed to really both through the school, the STA,
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you know, we really now needed to showcase it, you know, and pull it off.
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And I think there was a lot of pressure for everybody, you know.
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So, yeah, I'm glad that, you know, in a sense, I'm sorry that you felt that,
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but actually it's nice because it shows respect for the profession and for the,
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you know, and this is why a lot of attendees felt that they were respected,
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no matter what their professional title was, Andy. So thank you for saying that.
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Yeah, I mean, I put the pressure on myself, you know, so it's not your fault.
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No, yeah, but yeah, but it's, no, thank you for saying that,
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because I think it shows the respect you have for us.
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From an FTA perspective, we're always talking about raising standards.
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So it's difficult to always do something better than the last one that you did.
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And those of us who are in the room or the audience who've taught and taught
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a module or something that's done on repeated occasions, it becomes like theatre.
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It's something that you practice. it's something that you hone
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over a period of time you get to know what people's responses
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are you get to understand how they're going to
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react but what i mean for me
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personally andy was the right person to to set that scene to set that high bar
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you know he's on every podcast he's been on it's all about you know the passion
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for for challenging people for for you know for reflection and for them to grow as individuals.
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And I sat at the back and we said off air that one of the memories that came
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up on my Facebook to the day of the conference was some criticism that I personally received from.
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13, 14 years ago when I set up the STA, and I agree that I added to the political
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climate, but I was personally criticised, I wasn't respected by stakeholders and things.
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And I just sat there thinking, how far have we come as a team?
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How far has the STA come and grown to be able to create that safe environment,
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to be able to provide the resources that we do?
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And and the conference that as andy
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said the environment was superb you know the location was
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superb the facilities were superb i don't
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think people understand and i will come on to it later on
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but that comes at a financial cost to to us all doesn't it and we can expand
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on that later but for me the the the bar was high from the word go it it wasn't
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like you know you go to a conference and you're in rows of seats facing the speaker.
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You know, you're sat at a round table. You were encouraged to engage with people on your table.
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You had to say hello to people who you didn't know. And I think that set the
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tone for a really collaborative weekend.
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It's good. So nice to hear that. Because, yeah, it sums it all up.
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It's wonderful. And the round tables was just brilliant.
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That was just so nice for me. you know everything
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was sought for a particular outcome isn't it
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it's really cool and i mean it's going to cause some
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i don't know because i'm going to be talking on communication
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skills behavior change at therapy expo which is going to be i don't normally
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like 100 is the maximum in their theaters and they're all in a cinema seats
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kind of seats but i've still found out a way to get them to all be talking to
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each other i'm going to organize it in the beginning and i can't wait and i
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hope it's going to rock the boat a little bit because i'm just going to say
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without a little bit of spoilers,
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I'm just going to say this, you've probably talked to people today who you wouldn't
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have talked to at all over the next two days.
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Over the next 16 hours, you have made maybe about 10, 15, 20 connections,
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which you would never have talked to before, you know, and it's going to be
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quite, hopefully that will make people think, geez, I should be doing this.
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Why didn't I do this before? Why do I keep myself to myself? What am I scared of?
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So yeah, really cool. It set the scene.
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So yeah, on the questionnaire, what other conferences have you been to?
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Hopefully I'm looking forward to feedback on that, just to see whether we did
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give indeed a different type of conference.
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On the questionnaire is things about what's the most important fact.
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I think we've covered what we feel is important and what sort of things we maybe we don't like about.
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So we're going to move on to speakers, topics, and also a bit on business stands. So,
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I mean, the speakers were incredible and such a big thanks to all of the speakers who came along.
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I won't say any names because everybody was just amazing.
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But we kind of talked about it before. It's not just about the information that
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the speakers give, is it?
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Because if that was the case, you could go and download a PDF with the information
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that they give. You could look it all up yourself.
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But it was so much more than that. Yes, the speakers gave excellent information,
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but it wasn't like, oh, we'll give this to you on a slideshow afterwards.
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There was so much more to it than that wasn't there anybody i think
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one of the things that worked really well and you
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know we we said this from therapy expo a few years ago when
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all the girls were on stage and we had that panel discussion and
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it was unscripted it was just natural conversation responsive to you know points
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made from the audience and i just sat at the back listening in awe to the people
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who'd been through some you know some difficulties personally and they were
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able to share that on stage for the greater good.
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I think everybody exuded passion from the pores in the skin who were speaking.
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And that'll be hard to replicate again. But it's something that we've got to
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keep raising the bar. We've got to keep raising standards.
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I had the speakers contacting me, thanking us for inviting them.
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That's cool. It was honestly just such... The fact that also they've...
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The speakers, yes, they had to present on a stage in the main room.
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But then they were very open to
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you know to sit down and talk to
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anybody in the audience there was not that hierarchy that usually is the hierarchy
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was broken down and everybody felt at the same level and respect for everybody
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else's and there was a beautiful moment in In the room,
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in the breakout room where,
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I don't remember exactly how it went, but there was the discussion with Serena and Claire.
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Somebody raised, I think it was EMI or somebody else's that raised the fact
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that we as massage therapists or soft tissue therapists, we are nowhere expected
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in the musculoskeletal healthcare field.
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And Serena and Claire were very, very shocked about that. And you could hear
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from the voices and just say, I am so sorry that you are not respected.
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And she said, I didn't know that. In fact, the podiatrist that I know that came
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in, she said, this is something that she said to me.
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She said, I never realized that there was this lack of respect.
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It was lovely, actually, for them to know that.
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And for people to feel free to open up to people like Serena,
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people like Claire, and say, actually, do you know what?
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We're not very well respected by people like your profession.
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You know, and that was, those little moments were absolutely beautiful.
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Yeah it's so true and it is those moments and a couple of people no disrespect
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to people who we're in this habit aren't we as therapists and i've done it where
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you just the first thing you think is oh can i get the slides can you get is
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the powerpoint presentations can i get.
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And and i think everyone who went it's clear that yes
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the information was great but what you really paid for was moments
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like that of having a quick chat with michelle lions or siobhan o'donovan
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or women kind collective you know it's just or
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andy or you know it's just people who normally would be
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in the speaker's lounge or something and you wouldn't have time to or you'd rush
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afterwards where they were there you know having a cup of
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tea with everybody it was really took away that kind of like you say hierarchy so
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special moments indeed to jump
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in matt i think from my perspective it was lovely as.
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Well because you know one of the things when yeah
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i can only talk personally for me but you know when i
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quite enjoy the conversations after the
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presentations because you you know
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hopefully when you deliver something you you spark things
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in people and that in half an
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hour or 40 minutes there is
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conversations to be had after that if you've done your job right now
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normally like you're getting shooed off the stage aren't
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you you're getting shooed off someone else
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is coming on whereas there was
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there's never really an opportunity to then carry on that
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conversation with the person because you're you know
24:55
they'll go off somewhere in a massive thing but what was great with this
24:58
was afterwards you could we were you
25:01
know every evening we were carrying on conversations over
25:05
a beer and a glass of wine you know you were you
25:08
know when they were in the breaks or in the breakout rooms or
25:11
things we were having a conversation or you'd catch up before
25:14
the on Sunday you know and we were carrying those
25:17
on people would be thinking I've been thinking about this could just ask
25:20
you this question it'd be quite nice because you feel like and especially for
25:24
again i can only talk from my experience i generally like to help so one of
25:30
the things is you know if someone's got that and you've got the opportunity
25:33
to be there and help them with something i think it was a really powerful experience for mine.
25:39
Rather than kind of realizing you've only got 30 minutes to deliver some stuff and then.
25:44
Gone i think that was a really nice you know part of what you'd created for us as well so thank you.
25:50
Good to hear good to hear and cecily says
25:53
just bring up a few of the comments from the people and it's great to leave comments people
25:56
it's really nice especially if you're there and one of the things for me says
25:59
cecily hisslop that worked well was the diversity of talks and speakers there
26:01
were topics that i wanted to hear about and that could inspire me to learn more
26:05
and bloody good view bloody good view yeah the tables really worked well it
26:09
was it was very cool and And also Stevie Barr says, thanks for the comment.
26:14
Stevie says, my main point relates to the lack of feeling like a salesy conference.
26:18
It was people talking with other people with nothing more than the sharing of
26:21
views and opinions, which is nice as well, isn't it? Very healthy for people to discuss.
26:25
And the fantastic Sally Martin, who again was there running around on the day
26:28
and says, hi, gang. Sorry, late's the party. Not a problem, Lady Sally.
26:32
You can come whenever you like. Red carpet's out for you. And thank you for your help today.
26:36
Yeah, the content was strong. I have to say the content, the speakers turned
26:42
up in terms of content quite high.
26:47
They worked hard to make it contextualized, to make it relevant, some really diverse.
26:53
Yeah, very, very pleased with the content.
26:56
That's cool. I think we covered everything. There is a question there,
26:59
what sort of topics would draw you to a conference? That's important as well.
27:01
If there's anything you feel that we missed or something which you never find
27:03
at conferences, you let us know.
27:04
Because believe me with the experience and and
27:07
kind of i don't like the word networking anymore with the with the
27:10
friends we've got in this industry who trust us
27:13
and we trust them we can get people believe us but
27:16
it's how that information is delivered which is
27:19
where we'll specialize in it won't be somebody in all front of an
27:22
auditorium talking it will be hopefully touch wood
27:25
them sitting on the table next to you you know so that's how we roll that's
27:29
the idea speakers topics and stands there's a question here i'm gonna miss that
27:35
one i wanted to know let's go on a price because i can see time ticking away
27:39
that's a big question obviously it's very important very relevant how much of
27:42
a limiting factor is priced to you.
27:45
How do we price up a conference, Anna-Marie and Gary? What are some factors
27:50
we have to take into account?
27:51
And I mean, it's so tricky, isn't it, to make it, to include everybody and,
27:55
you know, let everybody at least have a job.
27:57
I think one of the deciding factors, Matt, after our conversations over the
28:01
last couple of years about the investment we put into Therapy Expo.
28:06
And then you look at that as a per member, and we were actually.
28:11
When we were there, we represent about 1% of our members.
28:14
We are you know hoping to meet prospective members so
28:17
our idea to go to go locally
28:21
to therapists and run these regional conferences was
28:24
was the idea little did we expect people
28:27
to come from different countries to attend you know
28:30
we thought it would be people from from devon and cornwall and
28:33
and the bristol area probably you know people from
28:36
cambridge here and scotland and ireland but what
28:39
what i found refreshing was i never saw
28:42
anybody sitting on their own and when a
28:45
speaker had finished talking they went and sat on the tables
28:48
as well so there wasn't a them and us it was
28:51
and the whole idea was to
28:54
to make the people in the room more important than the person delivering
28:57
the the subject matter i think we achieved that really well
29:00
so price point is is really difficult
29:03
it's how do you place a value on it a monetary value
29:06
on it money's tight for everybody so we we
29:10
have to decide you know we'll do these retail conferences
29:13
we'll keep them cost effective anna maria answered
29:16
remarkably well on a on a social media
29:19
post the other day that was on our on one of
29:22
our feeds and it was about how much do you how
29:26
much do you value cpd and how much money are
29:29
you willing to allocate and anna maria put you know she allocates
29:32
and i'll just go around figures a thousand pounds a year for her
29:34
cpd activities now if you.
29:37
Do that then and you put that in
29:40
your budget then you can then choose the things that you're passionate about
29:43
or help your your demographic but a
29:46
lot of people don't plan it into their budget and
29:49
it then becomes reactive and say oh there's a
29:52
course coming up but it's 300 pounds i can't afford 300 pounds
29:55
because there's associated travel so as long as we're
29:58
planning well in advance and as long as the the individual
30:01
members and therapists are budgeting for some cpd i
30:05
think you know 500 pounds a thousand pounds a
30:08
year is is is adequate i understand
30:11
that some people might not have that if they're working part-time in this industry
30:14
and we do what we can to support them with some free cpd and some opportunities
30:19
in the members area where they can do some a and p revision and and they can
30:23
they can put down some learning outcomes and reflect on that and how that's changed so,
30:29
So, price point's never going to suit everybody.
30:32
We've just got to, you know, go with what we want. And I think that the price
30:35
point for that conference was...
30:37
A-OK, given the venue, given the quality of the surroundings and the environment,
30:43
I think it was really well-priced.
30:48
This is, I'm glad that you picked up on the reply, because there's something
30:53
on the reply on the post, something that I think is some of the basics that
30:59
sometimes we miss about, as I say, when I say,
31:02
in fact, I think I said £1,000, and that could be, you know,
31:06
both the course, and the accommodation.
31:08
So let's say £1,000 allocated to CPDs. If people already put it into the spreadsheet,
31:13
into their budget, then that becomes their expense.
31:20
Then they charge their clients accordingly.
31:24
Otherwise, of course, it's always going to be, like you say,
31:27
I love the word you said, reactive.
31:28
Of course, they never have the money because if you don't charge enough,
31:33
to actually include the CPD, that
31:37
and this is this is what puts them ahead of other therapists the people that
31:42
they've been into that conference they would have gone on the monday they would
31:47
have been different therapists than they were before and somebody used the word
31:53
identity shaping actually i think it was me.
31:57
It was me it was because
32:01
the feedback it was identity shaping so the people
32:04
went to the practice they knew that
32:07
they were the values matched who they
32:10
felt they were so that is so
32:13
important and that needs to be paid
32:16
for the price point if we
32:20
want to and this is really really important if
32:24
we want to learn from the best those people cannot come for no money you know
32:32
even those people needs to be needs to be the whole environment so everything
32:38
makes it from the people who are going to be there from the environment that you choose.
32:43
Everything makes the CPD it would not have been the same if it was run from
32:48
a back room it just would because like we know for massage that the color of
32:53
the room everything will make it so you have sponsors that pay for it all or you have to pay.
33:02
And I do think we need in healthcare, in private healthcare,
33:05
we need to start budgeting appropriately and put that value.
33:11
And sometimes people buy, I notice some therapists buy online courses,
33:19
they never even open them up.
33:21
So maybe, you know, maybe look where the money goes into those and then maybe
33:28
see what actually is realistic for people.
33:32
Good answer. So on November the 4th, we're going to have a panel of people who
33:38
went to the conference and it'll
33:39
be like six weeks or something after the conference, a bit more maybe.
33:42
And the episode is going to be on the podcast about how it's changed their clinical
33:46
life, how it's actually, because that's, I think what some people need to measure
33:50
the success of CPD by is, am I getting more clients?
33:53
Have I done something which has actually made my CV look better and made someone
33:57
go away and they're going to tell their friends?
33:59
Because I don't think we record that when we do CPD traditionally.
34:02
We just think, oh, wow, I've got, I went to 12 presentations today from top class speakers.
34:07
But how much of that is translating through to actually making you more money
34:12
or maybe not a case of money, making you more relaxed, shifting some of those
34:16
monkeys off, being less stressed, being a better therapist.
34:18
There's lots of ways you can measure it. But I think that's the kind of message
34:21
which hopefully people who went to the conference will be able to share with
34:24
their colleagues is I've got tangible proof now of where that money went because it's so important.
34:29
Like Gary says, things are tight. So the money you do spend on CPD,
34:32
you need to somehow measure it. And it might not be more clients.
34:36
It just might be a better, healthier way of life. So you can give your client,
34:40
ultimately it will be more money.
34:41
A lot of people, the feedback, a lot of people felt they belonged.
34:50
They already felt they belonged with the STA. And now all those people that
34:54
joined in the same room, that they believe in the same values.
34:58
We were no adjunct nothing
35:02
wrong with physiotherapy osteopath but we were
35:05
no adjuncts to osteopath physiotherapist chiropractic
35:08
or whatever we were mainly soft tissue therapists massage therapists and we
35:16
the speakers were valuing us instead of being just the adjuncts of somebody
35:22
else's conference and actually when people that oh actually we are all believing in the same thing,
35:29
the same value that we have in health care. And all of a sudden they say, I'm not by myself.
35:33
You know, it's tangible. This person is sitting next to me. And people got really excited.
35:40
And then they went and they felt, I can own my professional title.
35:48
You know, I can own my professional values more than title, sorry,
35:51
my professional values. And that to me is absolute priceless.
35:56
You're on mute, Gary, I think. I can't hear you. Your sound has gone,
36:00
Gary, for the moment. Voice, voice. Can you hear me now? Sorry,
36:03
yeah, yeah, back now, that's fine.
36:05
One of the things I tried to get across in my talk was that often therapists,
36:11
and we're talking about the majority of therapists out there in our sort of tribal zone,
36:17
they will pay £300 to go on a weekend training with a name, with somebody who's
36:22
a guru, or they'll pay £195 to do a one-day diploma from a national educator.
36:32
And they're usually to learn a sort of a passive intervention,
36:35
which we widely agree all do a very similar thing of modulating pain.
36:41
I think anybody who spent the entrance fee for that weekend will have gone away,
36:48
and Andy mentioned it on a couple of podcasts, he's done it,
36:51
he mentioned it earlier.
36:51
They would have gone away thinking they would
36:55
have gone away we as as the
36:57
people on the stage we were there to ask questions of
37:00
people and i never shy away from challenging people's
37:03
beliefs and i always you know i've had several conversations with
37:07
members today and say i'm going to speak to again in a couple of weeks and
37:09
i'm going to leave you with this challenge you know identify your ideal
37:12
client where they hang out etc and so i'll
37:15
always make people accountable and i think on reflection every
37:19
single person who was there will be
37:22
able to hold us accountable for what we delivered we delivered
37:26
what they wanted this survey will help us
37:29
to plan things more for the future but i tried to get the message across stop
37:33
booking on these one day passive intervention diplomas start booking on courses
37:38
and and conferences like this which will challenge you which will give you some
37:43
really high quality information and hopefully make you think differently about your practice.
37:49
Great points. Thank you, everybody, leaving comments in there.
37:51
Just putting them on the screen.
37:52
Again, if you listen to the podcast and you want to see how people who have
37:55
joined us live are commenting, then do feel free to go to YouTube and have a look.
37:58
Some great comments coming through. Really appreciate it, people. James Morgan.
38:01
Yes, you as a speaker next year, huh?
38:05
How about that, James?
38:07
It was lovely to see James there as well. Yeah, it's fine. It's good.
38:12
Fran was great as well. Some great questions. What a lovely pair.
38:14
Barefoot Physio in Exeter.
38:16
Great coffee as well. There you go. nice plug. Andy, you are an unlocker of human potential.
38:21
I love that title. So, I mean, you spend your life trying to help people become
38:26
more confident to find that intrinsic motivation and to help with their business,
38:30
to find the answers within.
38:32
So for you, I guess, I'm really keen to hear how, if you picked up on how important
38:37
that was and people getting that confidence to be able to make important decisions
38:41
with their lives and business later on.
38:42
Did you feel that when you in the rooms i think there's quite a few conversations
38:46
about that i think you know i.
38:50
You know and i don't and i say this
38:53
with an open heart i think this how people feel
38:56
about you know i heard a few of those comments i
38:59
was in the room anna maria that you were talking about with with serena
39:03
and people saying about this and actually when
39:07
you look at a lot of people that are working for
39:10
themselves i think all very
39:13
similar emotions happen in all industries and i
39:16
think because and i generally believe that
39:19
is part of our it's a part of our human nature isn't
39:23
it so i think what happens is when you spend time and we did spend time together
39:29
and we spent time listening to each other you know the opportunities that you
39:35
guys created in the way that you put it in the sense that you, you know,
39:40
you allow time to reflect and make actions at the end.
39:44
All of those things start to make people, you know, pause and reflect, connect and grow.
39:50
You know, that was the whole point of it. So, you know, for me,
39:55
you know, I certainly experienced that from the conversations I had,
39:59
you know, the feedback I got after some of my sessions
40:02
it was just you know gary said the
40:04
challenge i use another analogy sometimes is that
40:08
sometimes we're so fixated in our own world
40:11
and this paraphrasing this from an nlp coach
40:14
i worked with and he says one of the things is
40:17
in our lives we use a torch beam and we're
40:20
just shining it and that's all we can see but sometimes
40:23
we need somebody to just help us move the torch beam
40:26
around the room so there's all the things that
40:29
we can see and be exposed to and then there's times where you can shine the
40:35
torch beam and find a light to it yeah and i think one of the things that i
40:40
one of the things that i saw around the room was we were moving the torch beam around for people.
40:48
You know, we were helping them see other people's point of view.
40:51
And sometimes it was the same point of view as them, which builds,
40:54
okay, actually, I'm the same as you. That's good.
40:57
You know, or actually, I didn't think of it that way. Oh, it's great.
41:00
I can adapt my practice that way.
41:02
And there was lots of those conversations. And I think that's where,
41:05
you know, that's where growth comes from.
41:07
That was the whole point of this, wasn't it? Is how do we take people on the journey to grow?
41:12
And if you were to turn around, you were to change your practice,
41:16
or you were to change yourself and you felt more confidence coming
41:20
back to value if we'd said at the start you would
41:22
leave here 20 more confident and
41:25
which would you pay for that it's probably a lot more
41:28
than the value of the ticket what they've spent because you then take that forward
41:32
and it's an exponential cost isn't it was that an appropriate answer yeah that
41:37
was great we're just all keeping quiet and just active listening so you can
41:41
continue because we just love what comes out oh by the way i'm using Isn't that
41:44
a torch analogy at Therapy Expo?
41:46
I love it. Yeah, that's lovely. I love that.
41:50
This is why I've invited Oliver. Not because he was my son.
41:55
In fact, I bloody was really worried how he would have ended up. He was brilliant.
42:00
Apart from the shirt he was wearing. So, Mama got too appalled the look of the anthropologist.
42:08
But because that showing that there are other ways of thinking.
42:14
Or ways to think that they've been there, you know, different for me was the vocabulary.
42:19
And some of the things I was talking about, liminal space, about transformative
42:24
earth or co-creating of a space, I thought, this is exactly what we try to do,
42:29
you know, in healthcare.
42:31
But anthropology used different words, but we don't know about it.
42:36
We are not exposed to it. or instead the more we open away from the silos.
42:42
Oh God, I'm picking up on this accent. More we open up from our own silos and
42:50
actually more vocabulary we get.
42:54
And for some of us, it might make more sense than maybe some of the vocabulary
42:59
we already use in our industry.
43:01
And that's why I thought it was really worthy for us. Let's explore,
43:06
let's open our eyes to something that's a little bit different.
43:11
It's very good great conversations about price and
43:14
it is it's a challenge but hopefully that's you know
43:17
going to give listeners and people in the room a little bit of course
43:20
to reflect yeah excellently put thank you everybody let's move
43:23
on we talked about that's fine we'll move away yeah location
43:27
is something which we've thought about isn't it the idea is
43:30
these things are going to we're bringing it to you
43:33
we didn't realize that people are going to like gary said leave their
43:36
countries to come to this conference but that's great yeah please continue
43:39
but it was still interesting wasn't it because it the
43:43
local presence wasn't as high as we would have liked it to have
43:45
been and we're interested for people to fill out these questionnaires
43:49
to let us know why if you were local if you
43:51
listen to this at the 2000 downloads or so and you were
43:54
in devon or you were in x or x but somewhere around there and you
43:57
didn't come to this let us know why what could we do to
44:00
make it more accessible to you maybe you already have but
44:02
we're really keen to hear how we could have helped you if
44:06
we haven't mentioned already so that's another point to this questionnaire
44:09
like i say if you want to answer this questionnaire then go along to the
44:12
st school.co.uk it's on the front page there just click on it
44:15
nice pleasurable google doc for you to fill out and
44:18
and and yeah share your views and opinions but i.
44:22
Guess taking it around the country like a bit of multicolor swap
44:25
shop is depends on people paying for
44:28
it isn't it that's the problem you know we'd love to do one frequently
44:33
but it does depend on people coming along
44:35
to them which is tricky yeah it is
44:38
so yeah anyway let's move on to i mean
44:42
i reckon if if money is a problem for you i would give a
44:44
shout out to the sta coffee shop chats and things which are
44:47
every wednesday is it gary they yeah we've
44:51
got three this month they start this wednesday and then fortnightly
44:54
thereafter uh 7 30 to 9
44:57
p.m always listed in the newsletter which
45:00
is coming out imminently with a link to this survey and they're
45:03
always on our featured posts on
45:07
the facebook page anybody can email me
45:10
or scott at the sta.co.uk and we
45:13
can send you links we have got an open one on the 29th of
45:16
this month which is open to to non-sta members as well and it said ask us anything
45:20
i was going to say because normally they're for sta members but in all honesty
45:25
this isn't a pitch people because it's like 75 pound a year so i'm not giving
45:28
you a hard sell here i'm just hopefully just giving you kind of like information
45:32
but it's normally for sda members.
45:35
But yeah, that's good to hear. There's one for non-STA members as well.
45:37
If they want to hear about the non-STA
45:40
member one, where do they get that information? Is it on our posts?
45:43
Yeah, we'll be putting it on our open social media pages so the link's going out.
45:48
Alex is going to be doing some marketing up to that and it will be CPD-based.
45:54
But yeah, they can contact the office, STA Gary on Facebook,
45:58
if they want a link. We can send it through to them.
46:01
And I guess if you're listening and there's a location where
46:04
you would like it to happen then then
46:07
again email in email into gary the sta.co.uk or matt at the sta.co.uk and we'll
46:12
just keep a tally you know because you know if by next week we've got 120 people
46:17
saying they'd like one in manchester hey we'll do it in manchester or wherever
46:19
it may be in the world not the world yeah the world if you're listening somewhere
46:22
abroad nice and hot with a beach then let us know as well we'll be happy to oblige
46:27
Anybody listening in Barbados?
46:29
Yeah, it was kind of somebody, you know. Please, let us know now.
46:33
Now, stop listening to the podcast and let us know now.
46:36
This is a good one as well. Conference amenities.
46:40
It's funny, isn't it? I mean, there was a moment, wasn't there,
46:43
Anna Maria, where there was people standing around kind of going,
46:45
like meerkats going, and the coffee? Where is the coffee? No.
46:49
But this is a good example of the cost of a conference.
46:52
You tell us, Anna Maria, because I think it's useful that people know. as Andy
46:55
said this is you know truth and honesty and openness yeah it's let's say that
47:01
those are the challenges decisions that you have to make so for me it was very
47:05
important I always wanted to bring it to Exmouth the view was very very important
47:10
so to have the venue for me it was important it,
47:14
But then when we come to the coffees, never would have thought that the coffees,
47:20
the cost of the coffee was more than the venue itself.
47:24
And the coffee was really, you know, really not, let's say, not to par.
47:30
So we made the decision that actually the coffee could have been,
47:36
you know, it was not provided.
47:39
Yeah, that the coffee was not. So we had to make a decision because there are
47:43
only so much money that can go into it and you have to make some decisions.
47:49
So we decided to actually invest on the headsets instead of the coffees and
47:57
on the tables and the particular rooms,
48:03
to have the two rooms and all these other things instead of the coffees.
48:08
But next time I invite you in my house and have a proper coffee,
48:11
probably with the cuckoo man.
48:13
I think it's great to know and it's cruel that you're honest with that because
48:16
if we're going to provide you with what you want, we will tell you honestly,
48:20
hand on heart, why that might push the cost up a little bit.
48:23
You know, we're laying out, we're giving you what you want, but if you want
48:25
coffee, then expect each of you
48:27
to pay an extra 10 or something because that's what it's going to cost.
48:31
The coffee was £2.95 per serving per person.
48:38
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's kind of, it just, yeah.
48:42
And we could not, we even said, oh, can we provide our own, I got big urns.
48:49
Can we provide our own urns and, you know, absolutely not.
48:54
But anyway, it's just a good example. It shows, and obviously the same thing goes for food.
48:58
The same thing goes, I know a lot of people bring their own lunch,
49:00
but if you're expecting to get anything, it's like a sandwich or stuff.
49:04
They were very good with us on that. don't matter they usually would never allow
49:07
people to bring up the lunch but they're good for
49:10
us so on that i thought they were very good
49:13
sally negotiated that with them sally was superb
49:16
on that well done sally mind mind you i know everyone couldn't go
49:19
along to the buffet and that was another thing we did we there was a there
49:21
was an extra ticket which people were invited to i
49:24
think it was 20 pound or something for an evening social which included buffet
49:27
and the buffet was was spot on wasn't it it was really good um so if you do
49:33
see things like that again that's what you're paying for it's not just oh they're
49:36
trying to make an extra 20 quid you know that went on the food yes yeah yeah we can assure you that.
49:43
So, yeah, we've got some questions in the questionnaire for you to comment on
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things like coffee and drinks and food and that sort of stuff.
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So hopefully that will give you some information to that.
49:53
So we're coming to where are we? Seven minutes to nine. We kind of touched on
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this, but the whole tag of the conference, which I think is something,
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again, the great Anna Maria came up in a post and Andy saw it and thought,
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that's it. I mean, that is exactly what we need.
50:06
And the tagline was to pause, reflect, connect and grow.
50:09
So from the moment people arrived and were sitting down ready to start listening to speakers,
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myself and the great Andy Hoswood came on and we just created
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a bit of a whoa whoa whoa whoa let's just pause a second have you
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said hello to each other okay let's do that first of all okay and then and then
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you know Andy took us through a fantastic let's just reflect on why we're here
50:27
how we're going to best pick up the information and then suddenly everyone's
50:30
connecting and then hopefully the idea was with all of that in place the information
50:34
you got on that foundation will help you grow as a therapist and realize wow,
50:39
You know, I'm empowered and this is going to help my business and everything.
50:42
So they're really four powerful words, which we're going to continue and take through, hopefully.
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And you'll see them everywhere because it's just a little tagline for you to lead your life by.
50:51
You know, everyone needs to pause sometimes and just reflect,
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you know, as a clinician, as a human, as a parent, as everything.
50:56
So we're really proud of those four words. And that was kind of everything to
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do the conference was that. So you will find on the questionnaire.
51:03
How much that means to you and also whether you kind
51:06
of saw it and then it didn't make sense but when you left the conference
51:09
did it suddenly make sense because that would be beautiful to hear if that
51:11
happened to some of you and there's
51:14
questions like how useful to you is speaking with other attendees at a conference
51:18
i'm hoping that we kind of broke some barriers normally there where you go to
51:21
a conference and maybe you talk to one or two other people or people you know
51:24
already hopefully there was oh i know there were some great relationships afterwards
51:27
just seeing people saying oh can i have your number oh wow you live just around
51:30
and doing this this is beautiful to I mean, it's just, that's what changes,
51:34
not just businesses, but lives and everything. So there's questions on that.
51:37
There's some questions on how important is the social element of a conference
51:40
to you and how important is business networking for you at a conference.
51:45
So yeah, we're looking forward to hearing all about that on the questionnaire.
51:48
And like I say, just in case you've started the podcast halfway through,
51:52
just go to the stschool.co.uk and you'll find a beautiful QR code on the front
51:57
and just a button link if that's easy for you, which will take you through to the questionnaire.
52:01
It's only seven sections and it's all about you telling us how we can help you.
52:06
Matt, can I just confirm that this time Anna Maria's QR code doesn't go through to us for these sales?
52:12
I checked it. No t-shirts were involved in the making this QR code.
52:16
Yeah, that was at the Gait Analysis Therapy Expo.
52:18
Click here for my course and it went through to it. Yeah, buy a hands-on hub.
52:22
No, no, no, I can confirm Anna Maria was not involved in the creating of this QR tag.
52:26
You really wonder why my husband leaves me Going alone through the world. Long time ago.
52:32
I mean, I just don't know why I'm that rich.
52:36
I always say you won the lawsuit with that one. Yeah, I know.
52:39
I mean, I shouldn't be left by myself.
52:41
And tomorrow I'm starting a PhD. I know. I mean. It's incredible. Yeah.
52:48
I just feel, yeah, I just feel, I want to reach out to the people who are going
52:52
to be helping you and educating you.
52:55
Professor David Newell. Very lucky. He doesn't know yet how I like he is. Amazing.
53:03
Right then. It's four minutes two. Let me just have a quick look.
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Oh my gosh. While we were chatting away, there's nine comments in here.
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Let's just send me a little check. Thank you so much for people.
53:11
I think it's all James Morgan. Yeah. James said it like, oh yeah,
53:14
there we go. Yeah. Talking about topics. We didn't have any men's pelvic health. Oh, James Morgan.
53:20
Laia, did I ask you if you wanted to come and talk about male's pelvic health?
53:26
Oh really? Is that just a... Oh yes, of course I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:30
I see that's a Morgan move okay we've got Nikki Mansfield who
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said the way that the reflective practice elements were incorporated at
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the conference's foundations bookending in with
53:39
the plenary and the wrap-up was game-changing for me that's really
53:42
nice to know Nikki what I really
53:45
liked I did get some feedback from a couple of people because we love it when
53:48
you do email us especially when it's about how we can help you and there is
53:52
a trend if you're one of the listeners and this and this kind of resonates with
53:55
you then obviously contact us but there's a there's a there is a little bit
53:59
of a trend now about people who have been trying to embrace biopsychosocial
54:02
kind of framework and evidence-informed.
54:05
And it's hard because you can burn out if maybe you're doing it in a less than
54:12
perfect way, shall we say.
54:13
And I heard a few times in the lead up to this conference, it was so much easier
54:18
with the old-fashioned way of just telling people to book in.
54:20
We do eight sessions for the price of seven.
54:23
Oh yeah, we need to fix you. Boom, boom, boom. In they come. Next week, next week,
54:25
next week same person you see 52 weeks a year because they
54:28
believe that without you clicking or poking or rubbing them they're they're
54:31
broken and it's so sad to hear that because it just shows that it's not quite
54:37
working the model which is being proposed of being evidence informed but the
54:41
nice thing was that after this conference a couple of people came up to me who
54:45
were feeling like that and just said.
54:46
That's it. I'm empowered. I'm back. I'm ready for kidding. Let's go.
54:50
I'm Duracell bunny. You know, this is what I needed to get that.
54:53
And that's cool because that's going to happen in life, especially in healthcare.
54:56
So if you're in that kind of rut and you're feeling like, this is just too much
55:00
for me, then there are ways to get rid of those monkeys.
55:03
You're doing something which could be tweaked a bit to make it wonderful again.
55:07
So it's just connecting, reaching out, collaborating, talking to other people.
55:11
So do make use of the STA coffee chat, Or if you're not an STM member,
55:15
you don't want to be for some very strange reason, if you haven't got 75 pound
55:18
a year, then just look at your own professional association because that's why
55:22
they're supposed to be there. They're supposed to be supporting you, giving you advice.
55:25
So if that's not happening, then ask them. They might not realize you want it.
55:29
You know, it works both ways.
55:30
So, but do reach out to somebody. Don't keep it all bought with ducks.
55:34
Yeah, reach your money right because you can make actually stand by where,
55:39
you know, you put your money in.
55:41
Very important. Right. look it's um it's nine o'clock that was so nice just
55:46
i don't know about you guys but,
55:48
i really enjoyed hearing you three talking about what worked in
55:51
that because it just when you're caught up in the design of it and and doing
55:54
it the execution of it sometimes you don't hear it all and but it's so nice
55:58
to to hear and just sit there nodding going yeah it's true we did well we did
56:02
well i i think it was it was really good for me matt to just actually sit at
56:07
the back and not get involved.
56:09
It was really interesting to just sit there and I could view it from a distance
56:14
and see what was working really well. And I could see the engagement from everybody.
56:20
So I really enjoyed that actually. So I might just sit at the back in puke.
56:25
And can I just say for the record, Nicky Mansfield, I have not passed on any virus. I've had man flu.
56:31
Oh yeah, you can't get it women. No, honestly.
56:34
Obviously you can't get that.
56:36
Lovely i'm just looking through the comments and thank you everybody if
56:39
you're listening to the podcast and you want to leave a comment to go to youtube or
56:42
go to the youtube feed and leave some comments in there i do go back regular
56:46
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56:48
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56:57
to you honestly we want the shelf that's why youtube's good it keeps the shelf life of these things,
57:02
i'm just no stevie bar here is trying to convince us that glasgow can be sunny,
57:07
There's some interesting conversations going on there. Anyway,
57:11
Andy, I think it would only be fitting for you to hit us with one of your fantastic
57:15
analogies to see us out. What are you thinking?
57:19
Let me just put the time on so we don't overrun.
57:23
Okay, go for it. You'll never leave that down again. All I'm going to say is
57:29
that for all the listeners, the good news is Matt will always now run to time.
57:35
So, you know, there's always room in our world for learning,
57:40
Matt had a really good tip He took note of it He reflected on his practice He
57:46
bought a 12-quid time on Amazon And now he's grown to become an even better,
57:51
more time-efficient human No, he said it was my fault Well, it was The Women's
57:57
Collective went on and on and on He said it was my fault that he was late,
58:02
Oh, well, we won't get into that And the fact that he said, don't worry,
58:08
Andy, I'm really, really sorry, I'll just be another moment in it,
58:11
and then proceeded with another 50-second slide,
58:15
kind of, I think, unfortunately, in the truth of transparency,
58:19
I think it may have run over, but I also think that, but it's okay.
58:26
It's okay because it was a very good presentation, of which I'm sure he will
58:30
deliver it awesomely at Therapy Expo for those that are going to watch him there too.
58:35
Thank you for your feedback, Andy. Thank you for your feedback.
58:38
From memory, you had to cut 57 of your slides out thereafter, didn't you?
58:44
Yes, Gary, I do. But that's okay. It's okay to be out of the screens.
58:50
Right, so yeah, we're still live, people. So we can carry this in after, I'm sure.
58:55
No, on a very serious note, thank you very much. It was a privilege to be asked to do it.
59:00
It was a privilege to be involved in it. thank you everybody for your participation
59:05
because without people's participation it wouldn't have been what it was so.
59:10
It's very true right everybody with that was a lovely episode thank you so much
59:15
um to gary benson founder of the sta and to anima sieri direct to the st school and to andy hosgood,
59:22
unlocker of human potential and thanks to all the listeners and all
59:24
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59:27
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59:33
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1:00:25
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1:00:50
and maria yes thank you to you matt because you always host with so much graciousness and,
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you're such a driver behind all those things and
1:01:01
often an assuming one so no thank you to you as well pleasure i just surround
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