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Sharri | 13 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight, how the Albanzy government pressured police to
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Speaker 2: publicly state the caravan was not a terror plot ahead
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Speaker 2: of the election campaign. Police are furious at what they
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Speaker 2: claim is interference in their investigation. My exclusive report in
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Speaker 2: a moment, also on the show, how Green's and the
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Speaker 2: Independence are ganging up to pressure Chris Mins to reverse
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Speaker 2: Haste speech laws that would see the vile hate preachers.
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Speaker 3: Held to account.
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Speaker 2: Let's hope the Coalition doesn't get in on this. Plus
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Speaker 2: tlnp Alegraspender's humiliation after her own sister tried to hold
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Speaker 2: an event with an offensive pro Palestinian activist.
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Speaker 3: It was only.
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Speaker 2: Canceled at the eleventh hour today when we submitted questions.
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Speaker 2: More on that in a moment, and a very special
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Speaker 2: guest tonight on the show. Iranian lawyer and pro Israel
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Speaker 2: advocate Eleka Lebon will be here live in studio, but
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Speaker 2: first tonight I can reveal the Albanese government pressured police
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Speaker 2: to publicly state that the caravan plot was not a
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Speaker 2: terror related incident. This was despite the risk of jeopardizing
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Speaker 2: the investigation, which was ongoing with suspects still under surveillance
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Speaker 2: and arrests yet to be made.
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Speaker 3: Multiple sources involved.
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Speaker 2: In the joint counter terror investigation told me there was
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Speaker 2: a push from the Albanese government to get the caravan
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Speaker 2: hoax narrative into the public domain before the federal election,
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Speaker 2: and that was meant to be called on Sunday, March
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Speaker 2: the ninth. It was postponed because of ex tropical cyclone Alfred.
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Speaker 2: One well placed senior policing source told me and I
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Speaker 2: quote they've had a desire to call it out as
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Speaker 2: not a terror incident for some time, based on the
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Speaker 2: fact they needed to de escalate it prior.
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Speaker 3: To any election in court.
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Speaker 2: Now I have confirmed that the AFP pressured New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Police to agree to release publicly that the caravan
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Speaker 2: was a criminal conjob for at least two weeks before
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Speaker 2: the press conference on Monday this week, but New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Police pushed back. They were furious at what they
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Speaker 2: saw as political interference in a delicate and difficult police investigation.
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Speaker 2: They had counter surveillance operations running, they were conducting coercive
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Speaker 2: examinations and were still in the midst of their own investigation,
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Speaker 2: which included building a watertight case against fourteen suspects who.
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Speaker 3: They arrested just on Monday morning.
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Speaker 2: Law enforcement officials feared that going public prematurely could have
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Speaker 2: risked compromising their investigation. Now when New South i was
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Speaker 2: police agreed with the decision to go public with the information,
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Speaker 2: it was understood to have required a change in strategy.
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Speaker 2: Now the AFP had determined that organized crime was behind
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Speaker 2: the explosive laden caravan and that it did not pose
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Speaker 2: an active terror threat. The AFP then briefed key figures
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Speaker 2: in the Albanzy government about this development, and the Albanezy government,
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Speaker 2: which was preparing for an election to be called just
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Speaker 2: on Sunday for the twelfth of April, were then keen
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Speaker 2: to get this information made public now the election was
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Speaker 2: meant to be.
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Speaker 3: Caught on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Then, on Monday morning, New South Wales Police arrested fourteen
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Speaker 2: people over the spate of anti Semitic attacks in Sydney's
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Speaker 2: East and AFP Deputy Commissioner for National Security Chrissy Barrett,
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Speaker 2: and both New South Wales and New Southees Police Deputy
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Speaker 2: Commissioner Dave Hudson. They both held a press conference announcing
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Speaker 2: that day that the caravan packed with the explosives was
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Speaker 2: a fabricated terror plot.
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Speaker 4: Almost immediately, experienced investigators within the Joint Counterterrorism Team believed
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Speaker 4: that the caravan was part of a fabricated terrorist plot,
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Speaker 4: essentially a criminal conjob. This was because of the information
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Speaker 4: they already had, how easily the caravan was found and
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Speaker 4: how visible the explosives were in the caravan. Also, there
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Speaker 4: was no detonator.
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Speaker 2: Right after the press conference that night and again the
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Speaker 2: next day, Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke was ready with
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Speaker 2: the attack lines.
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Speaker 5: Mister Dutton, without seeking a briefing, simply asserted a large
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Speaker 5: scale planned terrorist attack. That is not what we were
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Speaker 5: dealing with. We were dealing with a criminal con job
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Speaker 5: and Peter Dutton was one of the people who was conned.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Tony Burke's accusation there was nonsense because both
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi and the New Southeales Premier
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins had also spoken about the caravan being a
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Speaker 2: terrorism threat.
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Speaker 3: Do you classify this as a terrorism as well, Prime Minister,
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Speaker 3: I'd certainly do.
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Speaker 6: I agree with Chris Mints. It's clearly designed to harm people,
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Speaker 6: but it's also designed to correct fear in the community.
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Speaker 1: This is the discovery of a potential mass casualty event.
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Speaker 3: There's only one way of calling it out, and that
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Speaker 3: is terrorism.
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Speaker 7: That's what we're very worried about.
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Speaker 2: But the point is that Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Minister,
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Speaker 2: was ready to roll with his attack lines on what
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Speaker 2: was meant to be the first day of the election campaign. Now,
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Speaker 2: when Albanezy was asked repeatedly when he was first briefed
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Speaker 2: on the caravan of explosives, he claimed he couldn't comment
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Speaker 2: because he wouldn't dare undermine a police investigation.
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Speaker 6: I have no intention of undermining an ongoing investigation by
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Speaker 6: going into the details. This should not be the source
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Speaker 6: of political debate.
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Speaker 3: Yet he did exactly that.
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Speaker 2: According to multiple senior police figures, the Albanezy government did
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Speaker 2: undermine and interfere with the police investigation. Now, I asked
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Speaker 2: Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor about this.
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Speaker 3: I've got him on the show tonight.
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Speaker 2: I spoke to him just before and he said, these
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Speaker 2: are serious concerns that need to be investigated.
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Speaker 8: If the Prime Minister has been interfering in a police
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Speaker 8: investigation and pressuring them to do the spin for the
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Speaker 8: government that the government wants this is completely inappropriate.
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Speaker 3: Now here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: There's now a major push by the media like the
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Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald, the Greens, the Independence, the Libertarians and
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Speaker 2: some Labor and Peace to play anti Semitism as a
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Speaker 2: result of organized crime being behind the spate of violent
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Speaker 2: attacks targeting Jewish sites. But I've discovered, and I've spoken
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Speaker 2: to very well placed police that anti Semitism hasn't.
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Speaker 3: Been ruled out as a motive for these attacks.
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Speaker 2: Now I've drilled down deeply on this topic and I
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Speaker 2: found out that there are figures from two different outlaw
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Speaker 2: motorcycle gangs who are being investigated. One of the figures
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Speaker 2: at the center of this is the Australian.
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Speaker 3: He's actually a dual citizen.
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Speaker 2: He's based offshore and he was paying locally based criminals
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Speaker 2: to carry out the spate of violent attacks the targeted
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Speaker 2: Jewish businesses, cars and properties. But the Joint Counter Terror
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Speaker 2: Team still do not categorically know his motivations. Federal police
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Speaker 2: haven't ruled out that a foreign actor isn't paying this individual.
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Speaker 2: Anti Semitism has not been ruled out as a motivation either.
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Speaker 2: In fact, one police source told me, and I'm quoting. Now,
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism could be the motive, or it could be
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Speaker 2: a multiple range of things. So how this plot worked
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Speaker 2: is that this Australian dual citizen based overseas then paid
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Speaker 2: local street criminals to carry out the spate of anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic attacks, and these local criminals are understood to have
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Speaker 2: accepted the paid jobs through various encrypted apps. Police are
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Speaker 2: not certain about which country the Australian duel citizen is
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Speaker 2: currently in. They are not close to making an arrest.
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Speaker 2: In fact, an arrest could be a year or more away.
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Speaker 2: The figure is understood to be a successful global criminal
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Speaker 2: who's well connected with multiple motorcycle gangs and other criminal organizations.
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Speaker 3: The investigation is still active.
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Speaker 2: And ongoing, and to me, it seems that there's more
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Speaker 2: that the police don't know than what they do know.
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Speaker 3: Yet.
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Speaker 2: Despite this, new Southerwans Premier Chris Mens is tonight facing
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Speaker 2: a cross bench revolt over his hate speech laws. The
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Speaker 2: Cinny Morning Herald is reporting that he's facing a revolt
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Speaker 2: from the cross bench and also aggrieved labor MPs and
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Speaker 2: they want that his hate speech laws to either be
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Speaker 2: repealed or subject to a parliamentary inquiry. And this is
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Speaker 2: apparently all because there is no antisemitism threat, because the
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Speaker 2: caravan packed with explosives was organized by criminals rather than
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Speaker 2: a live terror threat. This is absolute nonsense. These are
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Speaker 2: all people who never cared about antisemitism in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Every single violent attack, including the fire bombing of a preschool,
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Speaker 2: the torching of cars in in front of Alex Ripchen's house,
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Speaker 2: is an anti Semitic attack.
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Speaker 3: Just because it might have.
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Speaker 2: Been carried out by organized crime doesn't mean it wasn't
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Speaker 2: an antisemitism an anti Semitic attack. As journalist Stephen Rice
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Speaker 2: says in The Australian Today, for the police to have
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Speaker 2: ruled out the motivations of a suspect they haven't yet questioned,
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Speaker 2: or even caught, or even approached is a highly unusual
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Speaker 2: approach and I'd say it's a shocking and dangerous approach.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Rice says in The Australian that these comments by
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Speaker 2: police have given free reign to anyone who wanted to
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Speaker 2: downplay the level of antisemitism experience by the Jewish community,
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Speaker 2: and he asks, well, what about the attempt to set
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Speaker 2: fire to the Newtown's synagogue in January? He questions how anyone,
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Speaker 2: and let alone a Green's politician could question that this
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Speaker 2: was anti semitism. This is what the accusations are, that
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Speaker 2: it's not anti semitism. How can you say an arson
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Speaker 2: attempt on a Newtown's synagogue is not antisemitism. Stephen Rice
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Speaker 2: says this is absurd. He says, this is the absurdity
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Speaker 2: of being asked to agree to a sentiment that this
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Speaker 2: was not an anti Semitic attack. And even Dave Hudson,
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Deputy Police Commissioner, admitted in questioning
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Speaker 2: in budget estimates yesterday that they did not know the
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Speaker 2: actual ideology or motivation of these people.
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Speaker 3: That it is still under investigation now.
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Speaker 2: Thankfully, despite the absolute disgrace of those in New South
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Speaker 2: Illes Parliament using this as an opportunity to attack a
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Speaker 2: popular premiere, Chris Mins is standing firm. Chris Mins has
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Speaker 2: released a statement saying he will not repeal the hate
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Speaker 2: speech laws.
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Speaker 3: And why should he.
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Speaker 2: The caravan filled with explosives has nothing to do with
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Speaker 2: hate speech. The hate speech laws are needed to finally
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Speaker 2: crack down on those hate speeches and pro Palestinian activists
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Speaker 2: who insist on saying the most derogatory comments about Jews,
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Speaker 2: yet they get away scot free because none of the
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Speaker 2: laws apply. Chris Means's strength is the leadership we need
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Speaker 2: in this country. And simply for standing up to anti Semitism,
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Speaker 2: his own colleagues are trying to tear him down. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's hope they're not successful. Now, I also want to
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Speaker 2: say here that I've approached Mark Speakman's office tonight for comment,
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Speaker 2: to get reassurance that he's not going to get in
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Speaker 2: on this and demand that there's a parliamentary inquirer and
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Speaker 2: these hate spech on these hate speech laws. I couldn't
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Speaker 2: contact Mark Speakman, he's in a regional area. But if
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Speaker 2: he if the Coalition sides with the Greens, with the Libertarians,
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Speaker 2: with some aggrieved labor and piece just to attack chrince Mins,
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Speaker 2: then this would be an indictment on the coalition in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales, an absolute indictment. It would be unforgivable
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Speaker 2: for the New South Wales Coalition if they don't stand
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Speaker 2: firm with Chris Mins on this. Now, in relation to
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Speaker 2: my story tonight that the Prime Minister has put pressure
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Speaker 2: on the police, I've contacted the Prime Minister's office for comment.
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Speaker 3: They haven't replied.
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Speaker 2: A spokeswoman for the AFP said the timing of Monday's
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Speaker 2: press conference was decided by the Joint counter Terror Team,
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Speaker 2: which included New South Wales Police, and she said the
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Speaker 2: AFP's priority has been to ensure community safety, investigate those
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Speaker 2: responsible for the alleged crime, provide the truth to the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community, and that the investigations were ongoing. All right,
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Speaker 2: Wentworth mp A Legrispender's sister has counseled an event at
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Speaker 2: the last minute that she was meant to host tonight
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Speaker 2: with a highly offensive pro Palestinian activist. Fashion designer Bianca
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Speaker 2: Spender had sold tickets to an event in conversation with
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Speaker 2: the artist Monica Rani Ruter. Now, this artist has posted
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Speaker 2: some pretty extreme views regarding Israel and the hostages online.
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Speaker 2: She re shared a video of the hostage o Meer
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Speaker 2: Shemtov kissing the Hamas captive on stage, and the caption
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Speaker 2: of that reshared post was they tell us these people
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Speaker 2: had been plucked from the depths of hell, delivered from
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Speaker 2: the clutches of monsters. Yet here the hostages are kissing
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Speaker 2: the very people we are taught to fear. Perhaps the
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Speaker 2: real horror was never in Gaza, but in the stories
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Speaker 2: we let ourselves believe. Another very offensive post, she shared
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Speaker 2: another photograph of that kiss of the hostage, which we
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Speaker 2: all know was forced. But in this post it said,
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Speaker 2: and I'm quoting an undoing of the script of the
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Speaker 2: roles assigned of the carefully and near delusion that some
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Speaker 2: lives are worth grieving while others deserve.
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Speaker 3: To dissolve into statistics.
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Speaker 2: Yet another bizarre reshared post claim that Israel has been
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Speaker 2: harvesting Palestinian's organs without consent. Now, we contacted Bianca Spender
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Speaker 2: for comment today and we got the reply that the
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Speaker 2: event for tonight was counseled. We also reached out to
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Speaker 2: a Legraspender and her office said that this event has
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with a Legraspender. We understand it is
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Speaker 2: not even happening now. I understand tickets were still being
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Speaker 2: sold yesterday and even this morning, so it was canceled
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Speaker 2: at the eleventh hour.
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Speaker 3: Now why is this relevant?
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Speaker 2: Well, of course, the leg Respender is the MP for Wentworth,
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Speaker 2: which has the largest Jewish population of.
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Speaker 3: Any electorate in the country.
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Speaker 2: This would be seriously tone deaf for her sister, of
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Speaker 2: all people, to consider giving someone a platform who holds
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Speaker 2: such outrageous views. All right, let's bring in now our
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Speaker 2: regular Thursday panel, Matt Canavan and Basil Zemplus. Great to
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Speaker 2: see you both. I want to start with this wombat story.
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Speaker 2: So this was something we hadn't covered earlier this week.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it started going viral yesterday that a wombat
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Speaker 2: was taken by a baby wombat was taken by a
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Speaker 2: TikTok viral influencer, separated from its mother. Now why I
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Speaker 2: want to talk about it tonight is that the level
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Speaker 2: of outrage it's attracted from the Prime Minister, from Tony Burke,
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Speaker 2: who's threatened to counsel this woman's visa or stop her
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Speaker 2: from coming to the country again, and also from Penny
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Speaker 2: Wang is completely at odds with their reaction to hate
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Speaker 2: preachers to any of the other people who they've happily
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Speaker 2: brought into the country. Let's have a look at some
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Speaker 2: of that reaction from the Prime Minister, from Penny Wan.
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Speaker 9: To take a baby wombat from its mother and clearly
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Speaker 9: causing distress from the mother is just an outrage. And
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Speaker 9: you know, I suggest to this so called influencer maybe
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Speaker 9: she might try some other Australian animals. Take a baby
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Speaker 9: crocodile from its mother, and see how you go there.
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Speaker 9: Take another animal that can actually fight back, rather than
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Speaker 9: stealing a baby wombat from its mother, See how you
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Speaker 9: go there.
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Speaker 10: I actually just saw that as I was sort of
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Speaker 10: prepping for your for the for this interview, and it
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Speaker 10: looked pretty dreadful, didn't it. I'll leave those sorts of
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Speaker 10: questions to Tidy Burke and then to the authorities, but
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Speaker 10: really it's leave the.
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Speaker 3: One but alone.
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Speaker 2: And Tony Burke has released a statement saying his department
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Speaker 2: is working through the conditions on a current visa determining
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Speaker 2: whether immigration law has been breached. He says, either way,
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Speaker 2: given the level of scrutiny that will happen if she
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Speaker 2: ever applies for a visa again, I'll be surprised if
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Speaker 2: she even bothers now.
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke wouldn't even give a comment.
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Speaker 2: When I reported last week that a pro hasbela hate
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Speaker 2: preacher was set to arrive in Australia, his department canceled
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Speaker 2: that visa basil. This hypocrisy from this government is astounding.
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Speaker 3: Sherry.
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Speaker 1: I think it's less about the hypocrisy, although I absolutely
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Speaker 1: appreciate why we can say there is quite a deal
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Speaker 1: of hypocrisy here. I think this is all about diversion
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Speaker 1: and distraction. This is an easy hit for the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister and his senior team. We all love cuddly animals,
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Speaker 1: we all love Australia. We put the two together and
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister thinks an easy hit here. People will
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Speaker 1: look at that and yes, they'll start commenting. This will
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Speaker 1: go off on some social media and it means people
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Speaker 1: won't be talking about tariffs, they won't be talking about caravans,
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Speaker 1: they won't be talking about the economic situation which is
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Speaker 1: hurting every day Australians. So to me, this just seems
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Speaker 1: straight out of the playbook Delay, distract and deny the
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Speaker 1: topics the airspace that they don't want people talking about.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 2: This seems to be me the perfect example of the
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Speaker 2: weakness of this government. The only thing they can be
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Speaker 2: tough on is an influencer who momentarily separated a baby
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Speaker 2: won bat from its mother and then returned it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Look, I think Basil makes good points there that especially
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Speaker 11: the Prime Minister there clearly had a pre can line
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Speaker 11: about the crocodiles.
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Speaker 3: He's obviously thought.
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Speaker 11: Of that about that long and hard in the bathroom
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Speaker 11: before coming out for the interview. Wouldn't it be better
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Speaker 11: for if he had spent more time thinking about how
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Speaker 11: to bring down the cost of living seeing electricity prices
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Speaker 11: going up again today, more time, as you've highlighted, focusing
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Speaker 11: on those people in our country are doing real harm
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Speaker 11: to our social cohesion and harmony. And look, so sure
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Speaker 11: I thought the only one that was sensible in that
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Speaker 11: package of Penny Wong. She's sort of said, oh, well,
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Speaker 11: I've only just seen it, and I'm in the same bit.
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Speaker 11: I only just looked at it because we're talking about
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Speaker 11: it tonight. Yeah, it's not appropriate, but surely there are
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Speaker 11: bigger things for the Prime Minister and our major ministers
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Speaker 11: to focus on our country.
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Speaker 3: No, exactly. It's absolutely bizarre.
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Speaker 2: Now we're seeing that the Trump administration is working to
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Speaker 2: deport speaking of actual tough action to deport a Columbia
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Speaker 2: University pro Palestinian student activist who's been arrested amid the
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Speaker 2: crackdown on anti American and anti Semitic activity on campuses.
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Speaker 3: Now they've been protests after the.
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Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security alleged that Mahmud Khalil led activities
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Speaker 2: aligned to her musk Basil.
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Speaker 3: Why aren't we seeing.
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Speaker 2: These sort of actions here at Australian universities.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's a very different approach, isn't it. And I
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Speaker 1: think you take the temperature from the leadership of the nation.
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Speaker 1: We know that the Prime Minister has really walked both
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Speaker 1: sides of this street. Contrast that with the American leadership
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Speaker 1: that's been very firm, very hard and very strong, and
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Speaker 1: therefore that's the tone that has been set in the
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Speaker 1: United States. It's such a such a difference in how
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Speaker 1: it is being approached and university's here continuing to happen
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Speaker 1: each way, bet and very be very soft on this
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Speaker 1: sort of stuff. And then many Australians look at what's
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Speaker 1: happening in the United States and say that's the sort
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Speaker 1: of leadership that we want on this topic and this issue.
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Speaker 1: But it's not happening here.
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Speaker 3: That's right, No, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Look, we hear today that power bills are probably going
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Speaker 2: to increase by as much as two hundred dollars a
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Speaker 2: year depending on where you live, coming starting from this
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Speaker 2: July Matt Canavan, you know, I talk about this a
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Speaker 2: bit later.
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Speaker 3: With Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 2: But this was a central campaign promise from Albert easierhead
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Speaker 2: of the last election to lower power bills by two
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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five dollars. Yet they just keep going up.
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Speaker 11: They keep going up, up and up under this government.
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Speaker 11: Despite all the promises that we're told that renewable energy
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Speaker 11: is cheaper. Why hasn't the installation of more renewable energy,
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Speaker 11: more win, more solid this government wants to do. Why
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Speaker 11: hasn't that lowered your power bill? They cannot answer that question.
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Speaker 11: As you say, they promised a turner and seventy five
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Speaker 11: dollars cut. After these figures, today you're seeing power bill
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Speaker 11: increases or the average power bill under these default offers
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Speaker 11: of up to eight hundred dollars extra up. So there
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Speaker 11: one thousand dollars more than one thousand dollars behind. So
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Speaker 11: we're going to go to a tour of seventy field
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Speaker 11: dollars be lower. They're actually ending up eight hundred dollars
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Speaker 11: higher just.
22:35
Speaker 3: Within three years.
22:35
Speaker 11: This is in three years.
22:37
Speaker 3: Of this government.
22:38
Speaker 11: Can we afford another eight hundred dollars increase if you
22:42
Speaker 11: vote for labor again. People are already struggling, And keep in
22:44
Speaker 11: mind all of these power bill increases then flow through
22:48
Speaker 11: to the cost of doing business, especially in your grocery aisle,
22:50
Speaker 11: because all the production of food requires a lot of energy.
22:54
Speaker 11: That's why your grocery bills are going up to.
22:58
Speaker 3: Basil.
22:58
Speaker 2: You've just obviously had an election campaign and I should
23:01
Speaker 2: say congratulations to you because you're not quite there yet,
23:04
Speaker 2: I don't think, but it does look like you will be.
23:06
Speaker 3: The new Liberal MP for the state seat of Church Lends.
23:09
Speaker 3: Is that right?
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Speaker 1: That's right, Sherry, Yes, thank you. Not officially declared, but
23:13
Speaker 1: expected to be done on the weekend.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's sure.
23:16
Speaker 2: Look probably a much closer fight than you were expecting.
23:21
Speaker 2: Was cost of living not a big issue in Wa?
23:24
Speaker 1: Interesting it didn't seem to play out that way, and
23:27
Speaker 1: although cost of living was made of focus, there were
23:32
Speaker 1: very substantial swings against the labor government and from a
23:36
Speaker 1: federal point of view, really interestingly in the areas and
23:39
Speaker 1: in the marginal seats federally, there was a big swing
23:43
Speaker 1: away from the state labor government. That does auger well
23:47
Speaker 1: for the coalition heading into this coming federal election. Cost
23:52
Speaker 1: of living was a factor, but it wasn't the overriding factor.
23:56
Speaker 1: And look, to be honest, a huge government with big
23:59
Speaker 1: resorts is against a very undemanned opposition. I think that
24:02
Speaker 1: was part of the story here as well.
24:05
Speaker 2: And there's been a lot of speculation while we're talking
24:07
Speaker 2: about your results, whether you you know, are interested in
24:11
Speaker 2: challenging for the leadership of the State Liberal Party.
24:15
Speaker 3: Is that something you are considering, Sherry.
24:17
Speaker 1: We don't know who's in our party room at this stage,
24:21
Speaker 1: and we'll have a clearer picture comes Saturday and pat
24:23
Speaker 1: potentially into next week before all of those positions are finals.
24:27
Speaker 1: By the way, church Lands is considered one of them.
24:30
Speaker 1: It's just that the counting has not been officially declared.
24:33
Speaker 1: But until such time as we know who's in the
24:35
Speaker 1: party room then it's very difficult to project beyond that.
24:39
Speaker 1: And we'll do that as a team once we know
24:41
Speaker 1: who's in our team.
24:43
Speaker 2: So this time next Thursday we could be having the
24:46
Speaker 2: State Liberal leader on our panel.
24:48
Speaker 3: That would be fun if he gets that.
24:51
Speaker 11: I hope you don't get a buffalo.
24:53
Speaker 3: Will He's not going to give us the please're going
24:55
Speaker 3: to stick with us nowhere.
24:57
Speaker 1: I'd rather be on a Thursday.
24:58
Speaker 2: Night than right he Yeah, exactly, And it's earlier in
25:02
Speaker 2: Perth anyway, It's only five pm where you are, so
25:05
Speaker 2: easy time.
25:05
Speaker 1: I'm in my pajamas, still got out of my pajamas
25:09
Speaker 1: yet here.
25:09
Speaker 3: In Perth, sticking in Perth.
25:11
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Leonardo DiCaprio, as in the Hollywood actor, has slammed
25:15
Speaker 2: a mine expansion in Wa over concerns that it'll impact
25:20
Speaker 2: and endangered species. Has said this in an Instagram post, Matt,
25:26
Speaker 2: It's really interesting when you have Hollywood actors worrying about
25:30
Speaker 2: mine expansions in Wa, when they're not even Australian and
25:34
Speaker 2: they don't even understand what's actually going on here.
25:39
Speaker 3: You reckond.
25:39
Speaker 11: Leonardo DiCaprio spent much time thinking about the gas fields
25:43
Speaker 11: of Western Australia. I think this might be pre canned.
25:46
Speaker 11: And sometimes, you know, sometimes I actually think maybe it's
25:49
Speaker 11: the oil and gas industry that pay these Hollywood starts
25:52
Speaker 11: to do this, because I actually think it undermines their
25:54
Speaker 11: case massively. I mean, people just see this stuff and
25:57
Speaker 11: shake their heads. I means, if they're going to listen
25:58
Speaker 11: listen to lectures from people living in Hollywood about what
26:02
Speaker 11: should happen in Western Australia, it's absurd. It doesn't work
26:06
Speaker 11: and we should let Australians make this decision, not people
26:09
Speaker 11: from California.
26:10
Speaker 3: Bazzer very quickly.
26:11
Speaker 1: What do you think we loved him in Wolf of
26:14
Speaker 1: Wall Street. We loved him, Titanny. We've got no interest
26:17
Speaker 1: whatsoever in what he thinks about our natural resources.
26:20
Speaker 6: Leo.
26:21
Speaker 1: Stick to what you're good at, and it's not commenting
26:24
Speaker 1: on West Australian affairs, that's for sure.
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Speaker 3: No, there you go, oh too true?
26:28
Speaker 2: All right, Matt Canavan, Basil Zempler's great to have you
26:30
Speaker 2: both as always, Thanks Sherry. All right, Still to come
26:33
Speaker 2: on the show in a raining Attorney Elka Lebon will
26:37
Speaker 2: be live in studio to discuss her incredible advocacy and
26:41
Speaker 2: the plight of women at the United Nations. Plus my
26:44
Speaker 2: interview with Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor a bit later.
26:51
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
26:52
Speaker 2: Well, there's been global outrage after the United Nations Commission
26:56
Speaker 2: on the Status of Women got underway this week, shared
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Speaker 2: by none other than Saudi Arabia, the country with the
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Speaker 2: shocking record of women's rights has been tasked with a
27:07
Speaker 2: commission that's supposed to empower women and promote gender equality.
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Speaker 2: This is just further proof that the United Nations is
27:14
Speaker 2: now an entirely discredited organization. Now Hillel Noya, our friend
27:20
Speaker 2: from United Nations Watch. He says that electing Saudi Arabia
27:24
Speaker 2: as global chair of protecting women's rights is like putting
27:27
Speaker 2: Dracula in charge of the blood bank. Now for more
27:31
Speaker 2: on this, I'm delighted to be joined live in studio
27:34
Speaker 2: by Iranian attorney Elka Levon. Elica, thank you very much
27:38
Speaker 2: for your time, and welcome to Australia.
27:40
Speaker 3: Thank you. Look, what's your reaction to this news?
27:42
Speaker 2: And not just Saudi Arabia but a man his name
27:45
Speaker 2: is Ambassador ol Wassel. He's actually chairing the UN Commission
27:50
Speaker 2: on the Status of Women.
27:51
Speaker 3: How inappropriate is this?
27:53
Speaker 7: I mean, it's really shocking because you know, we've had
27:55
Speaker 7: just this similar incident where we had the Islamic regime
27:58
Speaker 7: in Iran that was chairing the Status of Women, and
28:01
Speaker 7: you know, the Iranian community engaged in all of these
28:04
Speaker 7: efforts to have them removed because it was obviously so inappropriate,
28:08
Speaker 7: and then for them to remove them and then have
28:10
Speaker 7: Saudi Arabia instead, it's a little bit confusing, but also
28:14
Speaker 7: just you know, confirms again the fact that you know
28:16
Speaker 7: the UN is just like you said, a discredited organization,
28:19
Speaker 7: such an illegitimate organization, you know, where it's obvious that's
28:23
Speaker 7: what's more important to them. What's more important to the
28:26
Speaker 7: UN is presenting this sort of farce of multiculturalism, you know,
28:31
Speaker 7: and you know, inclusivity at the cost of actual women's
28:35
Speaker 7: rights and human human rights.
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Speaker 3: You know, no, one hundred percent.
28:39
Speaker 2: Now you wouldn't know her, but we've had an Australian
28:42
Speaker 2: politician here, convadamer Payment in recent weeks come out with
28:47
Speaker 2: Iranian propaganda and say how incredible Iran has been when
28:52
Speaker 2: it comes to human rights and the treatment of women.
28:55
Speaker 3: You don't know who she is, Yeah, I can't remember.
28:57
Speaker 7: Vaguely, Yeah, you set her strike, Yeah, I mean, look,
29:01
Speaker 7: she said something about how you know women are allowed
29:04
Speaker 7: to participate in democratic processes. Well, first of all, there
29:08
Speaker 7: are no democratic processes, right. You have something that fronts
29:12
Speaker 7: as a democracy, where you might have three branches of government,
29:15
Speaker 7: as you have everywhere else, but over that the overwatching
29:18
Speaker 7: thing is velayeta faggi, which is the system of the
29:21
Speaker 7: supreme leader, and the supreme leader is the one that
29:23
Speaker 7: makes all the decisions. So you kind of have this
29:25
Speaker 7: fast government and there's no real participation in democracy. And
29:29
Speaker 7: then I also just gave the example of you know,
29:31
Speaker 7: it's kind of like saying, you know, women were allowed
29:34
Speaker 7: to participate in Nazi Germany. That's not anything to be
29:38
Speaker 7: proud of to say that, you know, women were able
29:41
Speaker 7: admitted into the Nazi regime. It's just women being a
29:45
Speaker 7: part of it doesn't make it legitimate. It's not like
29:47
Speaker 7: you're looking for feminism in Nazism, right And so if
29:52
Speaker 7: she thinks that it's such a wonderful place to be,
29:54
Speaker 7: I don't know why she isn't there, right, So, I
29:56
Speaker 7: think the actions speak louder than words.
29:58
Speaker 3: No.
29:58
Speaker 2: Indeed, now, you as an incredible advocate for the Jewish
30:02
Speaker 2: community here around the world and in Israel right after
30:07
Speaker 2: October seven, what made you speak at so strongly?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
30:11
Speaker 7: So, I had been advocating for the Runnian people for
30:15
Speaker 7: about a year before that, after the murder of a
30:18
Speaker 7: young woman, Massagena Amini for showing a little bit of
30:21
Speaker 7: her hair. And I found that at that time, you know,
30:24
Speaker 7: people were really on ward with what I was explaining
30:27
Speaker 7: about terrorism and all of these things. And then post
30:30
Speaker 7: October seventh, I noticed that there was a completely different
30:33
Speaker 7: narrative that was emerging, which was that you know, these
30:35
Speaker 7: are not the terrorists that you are talking about. These
30:38
Speaker 7: are a separate group of freedom fighters who are nothing
30:41
Speaker 7: like those terrorists. And I'm just like, well, explain to
30:44
Speaker 7: me how they're different, you know. And then so when
30:47
Speaker 7: I saw this sort of developing narrative that was very
30:50
Speaker 7: progy Had, it made me realize that, you know, this
30:54
Speaker 7: ideological war, this ideological battle, is not going to be
30:58
Speaker 7: one piece meal where we sort of get people to
31:01
Speaker 7: understand this, but not that it's one thing. And unless
31:05
Speaker 7: people understand g Had from a global perspective, they're not
31:09
Speaker 7: going to understand any of it. So that made me
31:11
Speaker 7: kind of commit to correcting the record on that, specifically
31:15
Speaker 7: when it comes to October seventh and everything that happened there.
31:18
Speaker 2: I mean, the reframing Jihades in Gaza as freedom Fritus
31:24
Speaker 2: has also been by the so called women's groups, feminist groups, yes,
31:29
Speaker 2: official bodies and just the women's groups on social media
31:31
Speaker 2: as well. Yes, you know, do you feel like it's
31:34
Speaker 2: a losing battle. You know, you have a big following
31:37
Speaker 2: on social media, but it just seems overwhelming.
31:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that word reframing is actually the perfect word
31:43
Speaker 7: that you used because it was a word used by
31:45
Speaker 7: a KGB defector, Micha Pucheppa when he was talking about
31:49
Speaker 7: Soviet disinformation.
31:51
Speaker 3: That's responsible for that.
31:52
Speaker 7: And I have my necklace that says there's in formatsia.
31:56
Speaker 3: But he basically explains, so what does your necklace mean?
31:59
Speaker 7: Disinformation? Oh wow, yeah, and someone made it for me.
32:03
Speaker 7: It's just I say it all the time. So it's
32:05
Speaker 7: a little bit silly and funny. But he actually has
32:08
Speaker 7: a chapter in his book, or more than a chapter,
32:11
Speaker 7: I guess, he talks about in his book disinformation where
32:14
Speaker 7: you know, Soviet agents were disseminated out into the world,
32:17
Speaker 7: a million agents that were spreading this disinformation and working
32:22
Speaker 7: with you know, different Islamist and she had or our
32:25
Speaker 7: nationalist groups and talking about how to exactly do that,
32:28
Speaker 7: how to reframe this as a liberation movement where originally
32:32
Speaker 7: Zionism was the liberation movement. So they taught them how
32:36
Speaker 7: to reverse that and makes Zionism a colonialist movement even
32:39
Speaker 7: though it was a return to their ancestral homeland. She
32:44
Speaker 7: had this movement as a liberation movement.
32:46
Speaker 3: We've got to fight back against that narrative.
32:48
Speaker 2: Had el absolute pleasure to have you here and in Australia. Welcome,
32:53
Speaker 2: Thank you just arrived today, sure very much, jetlagged. Still
32:57
Speaker 2: to come the latest revelation on the caravan, Plus I'm
33:00
Speaker 2: going to have a former AFP detective here to discuss,
33:02
Speaker 2: plus my interview with Angus Taylor up next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
33:10
Speaker 2: We Angus Taylor is coming up. But now let's return
33:13
Speaker 2: to our exclusive report tonight that alban Easy pressured police
33:18
Speaker 2: to ultimately downplay the caravan plot and the lead up
33:21
Speaker 2: to the election, and for more. I'm joined now by
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Speaker 2: former AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig.
33:27
Speaker 3: David, thank you very much for your time.
33:28
Speaker 12: Thank you.
33:29
Speaker 3: Look, what's your.
33:30
Speaker 2: Reaction to these allegations by police who are furious at interference.
33:35
Speaker 12: Look, it is absolutely abhorrent if there has been political
33:39
Speaker 12: interference at a federal level into a characterrorism investigation, then
33:44
Speaker 12: that jeopardizes the very integrity of the premier law enforcement
33:48
Speaker 12: agency of this country and it is completely unacceptable. Every
33:53
Speaker 12: officer in the AFP swhears an oath of office or
33:56
Speaker 12: an affirmation of office, the investigational Doctrine, the Code of Conduct,
34:01
Speaker 12: the AFP Regulations, the AFP Act, which establishes the AFP.
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Speaker 12: It's all about being impartial, it's all about being a
34:07
Speaker 12: political and to coin an American term, no fear or
34:11
Speaker 12: favor with the investigation.
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Speaker 2: So the AFP and New Southwes Police had determined that
34:18
Speaker 2: the caravan packed with explosives wasn't a live terrorist, that
34:22
Speaker 2: it was organized crime behind it.
34:25
Speaker 3: The alban Ezy government was briefed.
34:27
Speaker 2: The alban Ezy government then put pressure on the AFP
34:30
Speaker 2: to get that information into the public domain. Now New
34:33
Speaker 2: Southwes police were still doing counter surveillance, they were doing
34:37
Speaker 2: coercive interrogations. Their investigation was live and they were pushing
34:41
Speaker 2: back saying we're not ready to put this in the
34:42
Speaker 2: public domain yet.
34:44
Speaker 3: You know, can you understand how they would have felt
34:47
Speaker 3: that their investigations could have been jeopardized.
34:49
Speaker 12: It would have jeopardized their investigation. I've got no doubt
34:52
Speaker 12: that investigative strategies would need to be modified if they
34:54
Speaker 12: were investigating on the premise that this was not publicly
34:57
Speaker 12: available information. And then suddenly they are pressured by the
35:01
Speaker 12: AFP or the federal government who wouldn't even reveal when
35:05
Speaker 12: the Prime Minister or Tony Burke was actually briefed on
35:08
Speaker 12: when this was actually revealed, when he was actually told
35:11
Speaker 12: about the caravan in the first place. It's very incongruous
35:14
Speaker 12: and I have to say it smells there's something a
35:17
Speaker 12: little bit rotten with this.
35:19
Speaker 2: I spoke to a couple of nights ago when I
35:21
Speaker 2: first found out that AFP had withheld the identity of
35:26
Speaker 2: this Australian mastermind criminal based offshore. They'd withheld the identity
35:31
Speaker 2: of that person from New Southell's Police. Well, I found
35:33
Speaker 2: out today that the reason they did that is that
35:36
Speaker 2: they say they were concerned about New Southellans Police leaking
35:40
Speaker 2: it now. To have this level of distrust between two
35:44
Speaker 2: agencies that are part of a joint counterterrority, to me,
35:48
Speaker 2: that's highly alarming when it comes to something as serious
35:51
Speaker 2: as national security.
35:52
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, there cannot be any daylight between any agencies working
35:56
Speaker 12: together in a cohesive way on counterterrorism investigations. And that
35:59
Speaker 12: has been my experience. I haven't seen any political interference
36:02
Speaker 12: coming down from you know, the head offices of the
36:05
Speaker 12: AFP or from the federal government before. I've always been
36:08
Speaker 12: able to investigate things impartially and apolitically. I'm very shocked
36:13
Speaker 12: by these investigations and the cohesive nature of the joint
36:16
Speaker 12: counacteris and teams in every state and territory that we
36:20
Speaker 12: are joined at the hip and we work together in
36:23
Speaker 12: all aspects of the investigations.
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Speaker 2: Well, this has been a major breakdown in the relationship
36:27
Speaker 2: between the Federal Police and the New South Wales Police.
36:30
Speaker 3: I mean, how can there be.
36:32
Speaker 2: Ongoing trust or ongoing confidence in that cooperation.
36:37
Speaker 12: Look, this is very, very damaging and extremely messy and
36:40
Speaker 12: I have to say that this it really does not
36:43
Speaker 12: seem right to me. The way the AFP has been
36:47
Speaker 12: avoiding a lot of questions about this investigation and then
36:51
Speaker 12: suddenly apparently pushes for these particular things to be revealed.
36:55
Speaker 12: It's not the sign of an impartial investigation. It seems
37:00
Speaker 12: like the AFP may be getting pulled and pushed in
37:03
Speaker 12: the direction of the federal government. That's what it seems
37:05
Speaker 12: like to.
37:05
Speaker 2: Make the motivations of the criminal mastermind or the person
37:09
Speaker 2: at least paying the petty criminals is still unclear. Open
37:14
Speaker 2: lines of inquiry include, you know, a more lenient terms
37:20
Speaker 2: of their status of some sort, or maybe they're being
37:24
Speaker 2: paid by foreign actor or anti Semitism, all those motivations
37:27
Speaker 2: are still on the table.
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Speaker 3: This is very difficult area to investigate.
37:33
Speaker 12: It's extremely difficult to investigate. And there's also the outstanding
37:37
Speaker 12: issue of the incredible or the less than credible source.
37:40
Speaker 12: I hope they're not one of the same persons and they.
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Speaker 3: Are indeed, David Craig, really appreciate your time.
37:46
Speaker 2: All right, coming up after the break Angus Taylor on
37:49
Speaker 2: Labour's broken promise on power bills.
37:51
Speaker 3: That's next well, in just a couple of months time, Angus.
37:57
Speaker 2: Taylor could be Australia's a federal treasurer. I spoke to
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Speaker 2: him just a little while ago. Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor,
38:05
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 8: Good to be with you.
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Speaker 2: Sharing At the last election, the Albanese government campaigned on
38:11
Speaker 2: bringing down power bills by two hundred and seventy five
38:14
Speaker 2: dollars a year. We've learnt today that power bills are
38:17
Speaker 2: set to soar in July by up to two hundred
38:21
Speaker 2: dollars a year. If you are treasurer at the next election,
38:24
Speaker 2: what would you do to bring them down?
38:26
Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 8: Can I say that it's even worse than what you say.
38:30
Speaker 8: Everything you say is right, but what we've seen since
38:32
Speaker 8: Labor came to power is power bills are thirteen hundred
38:36
Speaker 8: dollars up to thirteen hundred dollars higher than was promised
38:40
Speaker 8: by Labor with their two hundred and seventy five dollar reduction.
38:43
Speaker 8: Nine percent increase in the later's numbers coming through. The
38:46
Speaker 8: biggest increases in Western Sydney. And Lord knows in western
38:51
Speaker 8: and southwestern Sydney that I know well because my electrid
38:53
Speaker 8: extends into that area. They cannot afford it, and so
38:57
Speaker 8: this is absolutely diabolical. The answer, which is your question,
39:00
Speaker 8: the answer to this is more supply in as quickly
39:03
Speaker 8: as possible. We'll continue to see people put household solar
39:07
Speaker 8: on the roofs. Good stuff, go for it, but we
39:11
Speaker 8: need gas getting into the system fast. That's what I
39:14
Speaker 8: did when I was an energy minister. I focused on
39:16
Speaker 8: working with the gas supplies to get more gas into
39:19
Speaker 8: the domestic network. We saw prices come down both for
39:22
Speaker 8: gas and for electricity. That is the key in the
39:25
Speaker 8: short to medium term and then longer term, we've got
39:27
Speaker 8: to have that zero missions baseload nuclear power that is
39:31
Speaker 8: absolutely essential to have a grid that's going to sustain manufacturing,
39:35
Speaker 8: data centers and everything else we do in this country
39:37
Speaker 8: into the longer term, and that's why nuclear is so important.
39:41
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton said today that Chris Bowen should be sacked,
39:44
Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister should sack him over this.
39:47
Speaker 3: Do you agree this is his fault.
39:50
Speaker 8: He's not up to the job. The blud just cannot
39:53
Speaker 8: get the real job done, which just to deliver affordable,
39:56
Speaker 8: reliable power to Australians. He's completely failed. You know, the
40:00
Speaker 8: worst pricing outcomes are in his own electorate of mcmahton.
40:05
Speaker 8: This bloke has let the side down. He is absolutely
40:09
Speaker 8: hopeless and he should go.
40:11
Speaker 2: We've seen concerns of a US recession this week, partly
40:14
Speaker 2: off the back of the Trump trade tariffs and the
40:18
Speaker 2: reaction to that. Are you concerned there would be a
40:20
Speaker 2: flow on effect to that in Australia.
40:23
Speaker 8: Oh, we're deeply concerned about what's happening in the global economy.
40:25
Speaker 8: But the real problem is back at home where we've
40:28
Speaker 8: seen a collapse in Australians standard of living, so eight
40:30
Speaker 8: percent in two and a half years, completely unprecedented, Chary,
40:35
Speaker 8: We've never seen this before. That are going back to
40:37
Speaker 8: nineteen fifty. Never seen this before, not in the seventies,
40:40
Speaker 8: not in the eighties, not in the early nineties, not
40:43
Speaker 8: in the GFC. We've never seen a collapse like this before.
40:46
Speaker 8: It's also the worst of any of our peer countries
40:49
Speaker 8: in the world. What we're seeing in terms of living standards,
40:52
Speaker 8: in living standards, which is the per capita recession, well
40:55
Speaker 8: it's absolutely linked to the seven quarters of per capita
40:59
Speaker 8: recession that we've seen. But what it essentially means is
41:02
Speaker 8: people are able to buy eight percent less with their
41:07
Speaker 8: incomes in terms of goods and services, eight percent less
41:10
Speaker 8: than just two and a half years ago. Never said
41:13
Speaker 8: it before. Now what it means is global shocks are
41:16
Speaker 8: really dangerous in that environment. You don't have any shock
41:19
Speaker 8: absorbers left, and so Australians are already really struggling. They're
41:24
Speaker 8: working extra hours, they're cutting back on spending. I was
41:27
Speaker 8: out with small businesses today and we're just hearing how
41:31
Speaker 8: consumers are changing their behavior because they have to, they've
41:33
Speaker 8: got no choice, and another global shock on the horizon.
41:37
Speaker 8: This is a massive problem. No doubt. Label will say
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Speaker 8: it's all someone else's fault. We've seen Jim Charmers go
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Speaker 8: over to Washington, DC recently. He got all the photo
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Speaker 8: ops and he came back with absolutely diddly squad. He
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Speaker 8: got nothing done over there with avoiding these tariffs, so
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Speaker 8: we're deeply concerned about where it might go from here.
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Speaker 2: The ABEZ celebrated the quarter of a percent rate cut.
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Speaker 2: As you say, people are still hurting. It does seem
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Speaker 2: to have given the Prime Minister a bounce though. Do
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Speaker 2: you think the perception in the community is that the
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Speaker 2: cost of living crisis, that the end is in sight
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Speaker 2: because of the one rate cut, Well.
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Speaker 8: It's not insight. The facts are that on the government's
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Speaker 8: own plans, their own plans, we're not going to see
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Speaker 8: our standard of living restored to where it was when
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Speaker 8: Labor came to power until twenty thirty. The RBA says
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Speaker 8: it's going to be twenty thirty one. So whichever way
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Speaker 8: you look, it's a long long way back. It's a
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Speaker 8: long journey. The truth is that that rate cut was
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Speaker 8: too little, too late for Australian families. If you've got
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Speaker 8: a typical mortgage in Sydney, yeah, seven hundred and fifty
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Speaker 8: thousand dollars, you've paid an extra fifty thousand dollars in
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Speaker 8: interest costs in the last two and a half years
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Speaker 8: compared to what you were paying before that, and that's
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Speaker 8: after tax income Shari, I mean this is deep pain
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Speaker 8: being felt by hard working Australians who are trying to
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Speaker 8: get ahead aspirational Australians. If we lose the Australian dream
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Speaker 8: of owning your home, of having the opportunity or option
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Speaker 8: to start and build a business over time, if that
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Speaker 8: hope fades, we're in deep trouble as a country and
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Speaker 8: that's why we can't afford another three years of labor.
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Speaker 2: There's been confusion over the insurance policy from the coalition,
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Speaker 2: conflicting messages between you and Peter Dutton. Is there still
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Speaker 2: an active area to be discussed of coalition policy? You
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Speaker 2: have you decided whether the divesture policy will extend to
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Speaker 2: ensure us?
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Speaker 8: Well, I don't think there have been conflicting views. What
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Speaker 8: we've said very clearly is that we'll take action in
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Speaker 8: industries or sectors where there's clearly been anti competitive behavior
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Speaker 8: or abuse of market power, and we have I've led that,
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Speaker 8: I led it in energy label, were brought kicking and
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Speaker 8: screaming way back when we were in government on that
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Speaker 8: and that was that helped and contributed to bringing down
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Speaker 8: energy prices when we were in government. Of course, we've
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Speaker 8: lost all of those gains of the last two and
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Speaker 8: a half years. And more recently, I've worked with my
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Speaker 8: colleagues across the Coalition to put in place, well thought through,
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Speaker 8: with careful safeguards, measures to penalize anti competitive behavior, abusive
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Speaker 8: market power in the supermarkets and hardware sectors. So we're
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Speaker 8: prepared to do that where there's clear evidence.
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Speaker 3: And that's the same with insurance.
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Speaker 8: Well, we're prepared to do that where there's clear evidence
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Speaker 8: of abusive market power, anti competitive behavior, or clear suspicion
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Speaker 8: that that's going on. Now. The truth is that's not
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Speaker 8: part of our policy for insurance right now. But the
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Speaker 8: point that Peter's made and I've made is that any sector,
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Speaker 8: if we see that anti competitive behavior, if we see
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Speaker 8: that bad behavior, we're prepared to take it on.
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Speaker 3: Okay, just a couple of other areas.
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Speaker 2: Reports in the papers today that Coalition MPs have they
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Speaker 2: been airing their grievances complaining that you haven't released enough
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Speaker 2: policies yet.
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Speaker 3: What's your response to the MP who leaked this.
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, you get a lot of free advice
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Speaker 8: in this game that I'm in yours too, I'm sure,
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Speaker 8: and that's the nature of it. But the truth is
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Speaker 8: we've released i think the most substantial policy platform already
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Speaker 8: and there's more to come of any opposition. In recent times.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we've announced major changes to our energy sector
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Speaker 8: that we've talked about, removing the moratorium on nuclear, getting
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Speaker 8: rid of the Environmental Defenders Office that's stopping gas projects,
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Speaker 8: getting the Bea to lou base and opened up getting
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Speaker 8: more gas supply into our networks, taking on the CFMU
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Speaker 8: in the construction sector, which has got deep links to
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Speaker 8: the criminal underwall, making sure that we're not over regulating
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Speaker 8: the construction sector with the National Construction Code. I mean,
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Speaker 8: these are all incredibly important policies in key industries like energy, construction,
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Speaker 8: financial services, where it's getting harder and harder to get alone.
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Speaker 3: But your policy is still to be an out, and.
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Speaker 8: Of course there is because we've got an election campaign
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Speaker 8: coming up. But these are substantial policies that we've differentiated
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Speaker 8: out of sales versus labor. We've opposed over one hundred
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Speaker 8: billion dollars of spinning that labour's pursued that we think
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Speaker 8: is wrong. For this time. We opposed a divisive voice.
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Speaker 8: We've said that we should be standing in front of
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Speaker 8: one flag, not three. I mean, these are really important
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Speaker 8: policies for a great note.
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Speaker 3: Are you concerned about the disunity?
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Speaker 8: Look, we have been a remarkably united coalition through the
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Speaker 8: course of the last two and a half years and
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Speaker 8: that's been a source of much of our strength. United
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Speaker 8: behind the strong leadership of Peter and the contrast of
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Speaker 8: that is the week leadership of Anthony Albanezi, which has
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Speaker 8: been there for all to see.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, there's a record tax revenue at the moment,
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Speaker 2: the federal government collecting more tax from Australians than ever before.
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Speaker 2: Our income tax thresholds are also among the highest in
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Speaker 2: the world. Is this something you'd consider examining if you
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Speaker 2: won the election.
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Speaker 8: Well, we absolutely considered when we were lasting government with
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Speaker 8: the stages one, two and three.
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Speaker 3: Tax cards that was round back.
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Speaker 8: Of course, Labor decided to throw that out. They're not
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Speaker 8: lovers of aspiration, they're not lovers of Australians wanting to
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Speaker 8: be able to get ahead and know that there's a.
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Speaker 3: Very broad but again, would you adjust that to show.
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Speaker 8: About that the best way of course to beat what
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Speaker 8: we've seen which is a twenty four percent increase in
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Speaker 8: personal income taxes being paid. So you're absolutely right, is
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Speaker 8: to beat inflation. That's the most important thing we can
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Speaker 8: do to prevent bracket creep and prevent what we've seen.
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Speaker 8: But we've also announced tax cuts in other areas, accelerated
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Speaker 8: appreciation for small businesses. We are not going to hold
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Speaker 8: on to or accept unrealized capital gains taxes which Labor
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Speaker 8: is pursuing, of course, And okay.
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Speaker 3: We're almost out of time.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, i'd love to get your reaction to the
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Speaker 2: story I broke on air just earlier today that the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government has put pressure on police to publicly release
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Speaker 2: information related to the caravan Terra plot before news Well's police.
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Speaker 3: Were ready to do that. What's your reaction.
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Speaker 2: Are you concerned about this alleged interference in a police investigation?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, I mean if Labor, if the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 8: been interfering in a police investigation and pressuring them to
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Speaker 8: do the spin for the government that the government wants,
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Speaker 8: this is completely inappropriate. I was a law enforcement cybersecurity minister.
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Speaker 8: That is not how you should behave when you're in
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Speaker 8: that role or in the Prime Minister. Well, for that matter,
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Speaker 8: it's completely unacceptable. There's some serious questions here for the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister to answer.
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Speaker 3: All right, Angus Taylor, really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 8: Good to be with you show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: All right And in some final breaking years before we
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Speaker 2: go thirty seconds, the tailor Telly has just reported that
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Speaker 2: police believe the alleged masked mind behind the caravan terror
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Speaker 2: plot to be this man, Sydney businessman sayet rhan Akka,
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Speaker 2: and according to the Telegraph, he's been darting back and
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Speaker 2: forth between Asia and Turkey, and that he fled Australia
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Speaker 2: by boat while on bail for an alleged six hundred
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Speaker 2: kilogram drug importation. Thank you for joining me this week,
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your company. Have a lovely and safe long weekend.
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Speaker 2: Here's Paul Mari