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92. [North Carolina] Nancy Cooper · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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North Carolina. So Nancy Lynn Cooper Nay Rinse Rent spelled r e n t
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Z, not Rinse. I think the rints gone up was born on August
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nineteen seventy three to Gary and Donna Rince. Nancy grew up in Edmonton,
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Canada, which I heard the nickname is Deadminton because there's like a lot of
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murders up there. I think someone wrote in about the Robert Pickton guy,
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and I believes he was up there in that area, the one that fed
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the bodies to the pigs. Anyways, he was a serial killer. So
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she grew up in Edmonton, Canada with her three siblings, an older brother
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Jeff, a twin sister Christa, and a younger sister, Jill. How
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Nancy was described as sporty and fun loving. She was a great athlete growing
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up. As she reached adulthood, she broughtened her interest into fashion, art
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and jewelry, and eventually running her own clothing store as a side business to
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her job in IT. So she was she was a go getter. She
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had a regular job. She was into fitness, not like my fitness,
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fitness, whole pizza, like real fitness, running a clothing store like just
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a real go getter. Now, in nineteen ninety nine, Nancy working at
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IBM in Calgary when she met twenty six year old Bradley Cooper. And this
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is not the Bradley Cooper from the Hangover. It's a different Bradley Cooper.
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Isn't that his name? Yeah? Okay. So Bradley was very quiet and
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reserved, not like the typical men that Nancy usually Dated's usually would go out
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with these kind of more social guys, more powerful guys, things like that.
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Those are the type of guys she would dated. So she met this
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kind of nerdy it guy and he didn't look nerdy, but he acted,
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you know, was quiet and reserved and things like that. So she decides
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to give brad a chance. And because she's ready to settle down and start
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a family, and Brad and Hurd just hit it off. He fit right
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in with her life and her family. Now, brad was very intelligent and
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was offered an IT job at Cisco in North Carolina. So for Nancy to
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go with Bradley United States, they would need to be married because she wasn't.
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They were only dating at this point. She's not He's getting the work
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visa. There wasn't a jobs, but you know, you have to have
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like a specialized job. We offered something to get you know, yes,
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as visa work visa. So anyways, shut up storm God. So anty
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ways. They had already planned on getting married in a big ceremony, so
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he gets offered this job. They had already gotten engaged, they were planning
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on getting married all this stuff, but then he got this job offer,
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so they changed all their plans. They canceled this big wedding. In October
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of two thousand, at a restaurant with his family and friends, the couple
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wed and they were soon headed off to Carrie, North Carolina as newlyweds.
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That where the honeymoon was. Yeah, Carrie, I guess I don't know,
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sue they didn't have a honeymoon. I don't think. I think they
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just had to get married and go get married and go to work. Yeah,
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their road trip to North Carolina was their honeymoon. Now, within a
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few years of relocating to Carry, which is a suburb of Raleigh, North
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Carolina, Nancy was already making friends and settling into her new life. Now,
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in two thousand and four, Brad and Nancy welcomed their first child,
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a daughter named Bella, and now two years later, Katie was born.
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In two thousand and six, Brad was very successful at Cisco. He did
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all sorts of crazy patented things. Like he was really really smart, this
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Brad guy. So anyway, so while Brad's you know, making it at
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Cisco, Nancy was a stay at home mom and took care of the girls.
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She just loved spending time with her daughters. They would go play outside
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like they were like like said, Nancy was an athlete, so she was
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always up for going outside, go to the parks, do all those things
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through their kids. Me, I'd like to just sit at home and hope
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they don't hurt themselves. So now, during this time, Nancy did not
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let her passion for athletics fade. She began training for a half marathon.
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Now she would go run on the trails near her home. Brad was also
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an athlete and was training for a triathlon. So they were this young,
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good looking couple, very successful, these two beautiful daughters, and they're living
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this American dream. Sounds like us. This does not sound does not sound
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like a Stewart at all. I don't think, Uh yeah, I don't
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know if we're living the American dream. But he was. I mean,
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god knows how much money they're making. This was in the early two thousands
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with the IT. I mean, come on, that'll be just tons of
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money rolling in. I mean, because Rawleigh's an expensive area too, like
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this, I'm sure that suburb out there was probably real expensive. I have
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no idea. I have to zello that. Okay, Well, I know
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Rawleigh is very expensive because it is like a tech capital on the East Coast.
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But anyways, I'll take your word for it. Okay, Well you
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should, because I'm right. I'm always right. On July eleventh, two
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thousand and eight, Nancy attended a neighbor hard neigh neighbor hard is that neighborhood
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barbecue? That kind of neighborhoods do never now? It was a barbecue with
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plans to meet her friend Hannah the next morning. After her daily run on
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July twelfth, Hannah had not heard from Nancy by about ten am. And
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found this was odd. Hannah felt that Nancy should have stopped by and by
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then at that point. Now, she decides to call Nancy's home to see
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if something happened, and Brad picked up and said that she went for a
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run. The friend asked what time she left, and Brad said, I
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don't know, six thirty or seven. Hannah thought she should have been back
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by now, but Brad didn't seem too concern so she dropped it. Well,
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yeah, because she is training, but this is a long time to
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be gone. Because if she left at six thirty or seven, say even
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seven at the latest, we're ten am, three hours. If she's training
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for a half marathon, I'm sure she's athletic, she's faster. I mean
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it would take me three he mind take me till six thirty seven at night,
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Like she's been gone for twelve hours. She was only going on at
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three mile run. They're like, oh, well, that's about right.
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She probably stopped for coffee, anna croissant like Chris Lawn. But yeah.
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Nancy, however, was an actual athlete, so running a half marathon,
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if running for that long three hours is just not would not be expected.
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Later that day, around one PM, Hannah received a phone call from the
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Cooper house and when she picked up, she assumed it would be Nancy finally
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calling. However, she heard Brad on the other end of the line and
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Nancy had still not shown up, and he was growing concerned. Yeah,
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because now we're I mean, this is a really long time. This is
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five six hours till one concerned. I don't know, Stu, I have
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to find out. Okay, Well I was just asking, yeah, because
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I know you wrote this case, so I did. I was deeply involved.
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I'm sure their friends were asking the same thing. So Hannah, she
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began contact, began getting in contact with other friends and found out that no
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one had seen her. And they're saying, well, maybe she went to
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such and such house. Like I said, she's friends with all these people
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in the neighborhood. She's running on these trails right by the house, like
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she she didn't even have to go back home. She could have went straight
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to one of her friend's house and met up with one of them. But
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nobody's seen her. So they start to call hospitals with no luck, thinking
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maybe something happened to her while she was out on these trails. So they
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reach out to her family in Canada and they haven't heard from her either.
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So now everybody's really concerned. So they contact the Carry police so they can
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start investigating where Nancy could possibly be. So they reach out to the media
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to get Nancy's picture out there, and Brad was at the forefront pleading for
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her help finding his wife. He goes on the news stations at the whole
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nine yards to think what you would expect. They searched the trails where Nancy
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ran with no luck and everyone was beginning to fear the worst. Her family
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traveled down from Canada to assist with the search and pass out flyers. Now
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Nancy had gone missing on a Saturday. They searched all day, Sunday and
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Monday with absolutely no sign of her. Then Monday night a call came in
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from nine one one. Now just outside of Carrie, several miles from the
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Cooper home, a man was walking his dog in an undeveloped subdivision. Now
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he noticed some vultures were swarming an area near a storm drain. He approached
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the area and saw a woman floating in some water. The nine one one
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operator asked if she was beyond help, and the man said, I think
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she's dead. Police arrived at the scene to find thirty four year old Nancy
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Cooper wearing only a sport bra and one diamond ring. Sports bras do I
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know, I forgot the Z, but that's how you pronounced it. Sports
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her Well, I don't own any so I'm not quite sure. Not a
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sport brawl. Maybe it's just for one sport. I have no idea.
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It's for multiple sports, yes, all the sports, because we all need
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the support. There were no signs of bruising or blood or sexual assault,
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and she still had one diamond ear ring, so robbery didn't appear to be
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the motive either, and autopsy would later reveal that Nancy had been strangled so
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hard that killer had broken one of her neckbones. Yeah, so even though
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she was missing some of her like I said, her closure only had that
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sport braun At said, remember this is July. If people aren't familiar with
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well, most people are, but July in the South. I mean,
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this is North Carolina. There's humidity, there's heat. It's probably ninety one
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hundred degrees out. You got animals. She was in the water like things
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are deteriorating quickly. With her clothing as well as her body. Now that
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they knew the fate of Nancy, they began asking around the area to see
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if anyone had seen her that morning running. A few people are called seeing
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a woman matching her description jogging, but nothing concrete or pointing to who might
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have done this. They speak to Brad to see where he had been the
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day of Nancy's disappearance, and he tells police that him and Nancy were up
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around four a him calming their two year old daughter, who had woken up
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crying. Which, we've been there. Our sleep's pretty well though, you
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know, and usually I'm the only one that goes in there. But because
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Stuke could sleep through a freaking train coming through our home. But whatever,
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that's another it's just a subject for it's a choice. Whenever I murdered you,
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it'll be because you've you've fallen asleep and you're it literally takes me hours
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to fall asleep, and you're just over there within two seconds and you're man,
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It's like it's like something I don't understand you. There's something wrong with
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you, Like what do you do? You don't have thoughts in your head,
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Like what do you do when you you're head hits the pillow. What
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do you do with your brain? What about all the things you have to
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think of for the day and the next day and all the things. Don't
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worry really stupid, You're like, no, no, because I know exactly
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what's going through head. You're like, I guess I could worry about that,
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but Kara's probably worried about it for us. So I'm just gonna go
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to sleep. Anyways, around six so they're both up, he says,
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they're both up at four am. Now, around six am, Brad said
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he went to the store twice to pick up some items. Now, when
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he returned home, Nancy left for her run, and that was the last
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time he had seen his wife. They also discussed with Brad the state of
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his marriage, and he finally admits a police that him and Nancy they had
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been struggling in their marriage, but he said that they were improving now.
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The reason for the struggle was that Brad had cheated on Nancy, but they
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were working on it. Please speak to family and friends about their relationship,
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and they were told a different story. They said that Brad and Nancy had
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been having problems for a very long time, almost from the start of their
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marriage. This is oh take off. Yeah, well, I mean,
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when you think about it, if they weren't so, they kind of had
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got rushed getting married because we were getting married, an I know that,
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but there was still extra time to think about it. You know, they
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kind of got rush getting married. They're having to move to a different country
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just them and started a whole new life together and all they have is each
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other. And if they're not strong at the beginning, I mean, that's
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a lot of pressure. And apparently she was married to a cheating asshole,
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so you know there's that too. Well, maybe Brad just tripped and fell
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on it. You just never known his penis just fell into it. Yes,
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Okay, Now Brad was a driven Now you sound like Vanderpup rules.
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You would you like me to start talking about that? Okay, I didn't
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bring it up. So, now, Brad was a driven smart man.
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He had near genius IQ level and he was very dead dude with the way
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he read that I do not choppy and whatnot. I know. Now,
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he was very dedicated to his job. He focused much more on his career
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than his marriage, and Nancy did not like this, but they continued on
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building their family trying to work through it until the spring of two thousand and
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seven. Nancy was out with one of her good friends, Heather, who
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told Nancy that she had slept with Brad Never Never this is Vanderpup rules.
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I'm telling thanks, Heather, were it's all happening. Nancy is Arianna,
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Brad is Tom Sandoval, and Heather Roquell. This is not true. This
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is true. Nancy wasn't shocked, and she immediately confronted Brad about this affair
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and he denied it. So things were very strained, as one might imagine
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in their relationship. I mean, at least Heather had the decency to tell
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Nancy to her face. Freaking Raquel just wasn't going to tell her at all.
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I mean, can we stop now. Nancy knew Brad was lying to
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her, and she wanted him to confess so they could start to rebuild their
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relationship, but he kept making her feel bad for even accusing him. Finally,
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on New Year's Eve, Brad admitted the affair, admitted but told her
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it was only a one night stand. I mean, on New Year's Eve,
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do this another day. You probably finally had had some drinking, and
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She's like, I know you did this. I know. I mean,
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if you have a friend that comes and tells you that, the fact that
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the husband just keeps denying, it's like, why would she say that,
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you know, why would it makes no sense for her to say that,
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Why would you keep denying this? I'm sure she every day. It just
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Aggie night. He's like, Oh, I'm gonna start this new year off
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right, and we're just gonna let me tell you on your birthday. Yeah,
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what an idiot, Brad, You're a dummy. Nancy agreed to remain
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with Brad, but only if they went to counseling. Now. During the
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counseling sessions, Nancy learned the real story. Brad admitted the one night stand
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was actually a long term affair and that he was in love with Heather.
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I'm telling you this is vander Roles. With this information, Nancy was done.
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So they start discussing how because that's ten times worse. Why I told
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you this. We went over this with the whole vander pup Roles thing.
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It's ten times worse. It's one thing if he just slept with her,
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a one off thing, but he like, they're starting relationships with people and
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they're falling in love. That means that they want to leave you for this
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person, not be It's only worse if you want to stay with that person
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and work things out. No, it's not okay. But if they just
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if he just cheated Whenever she thought he just cheated one time, she was
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willing to work through it. She's like, Okay, he just messed up
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one time. It was one time. Thing. He still loves me,
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he's wants to be with me. However, whenever it's all of a sudden,
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it's a no, actually we've been we've been together for a while.
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It's actually like, I'm in love with this person and I want to leave
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you. Because then all of a sudden, it's not your choice, which
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makes it worse because he's leaving her. He cheated on her, and he's
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leaving her. I at least want the higher ground, be like, well
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I'm leaving you, asshole. Yeah, yeah, because he's gonna leave him.
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Would be in a new relationship right off the bat, right away with
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the neighbor girl, supposedly happy and in love, and you're over here having
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to pick up the pieces from from this. No, it's not good riding
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bicycles with the new wife a tandem bicycle. Yes, he's terrible, so
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so is Heather. They start discussing ways to split up their assets and custody
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of their two daughters, which is going to be tricky because all of Nancy's
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families back in Canada. Job she don't want to stay there? Why?
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I mean I wouldn't want to stay there either, you know, what's the
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point. I mean, your visa has done expired. Whyn't you get divorced
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anyway? It's like, why are you here? I'm sure with her children
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being citizens, I'm sure there's something. There would be something. I'm sure.
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However, she didn't want to stay us. I'm saying she doesn't she
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could stay here, which she probably could well, Shet, So what's she
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gonna do? I don't know. Stuart cal take Brad's money, he owes
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her and he does. But I'm saying is that she's not gonna stay here
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anyways. If she she's want to want to go back to her family in
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Canada and go back to her life before she married this asshole take off a
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yeah. Yeah. So with that in mind, Nancy put her from down.
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She's like, I want to go back to Canada. I don't want
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to be here anymore. So they decide what's best is if they just sell
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their home split the money from the home, because like I said, they
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moved there together and got married right away, so or married before old dumbass
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started this job. So all the money and everything he's earned and everything is
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should be split equally between them. So they this way, you know,
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like she can move, she's going back to her family. She'll have support
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with raising her girls and everything, because someone's going to have to be the
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custodial parent in this. You can't do a fifty fifty if one of them
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living in Canada and one of them living in the United States. They're probably
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gonna do a every other weekend or something like that. So Brad he initially
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seemed on board with this plan, but then something in him changed. He
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canceled all of Nancy's credit cards and put her on a cash allowance. He
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used the money to control her, barely giving her enough to care for their
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two children now. She even said at one point she would have to call
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people and borrow money for like diapers and things like that because she'd run out
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of money. Christ yeah, he wouldn't even give her the money. No,
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she had like a cash allowance each week, and once she ran out
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of money, that was it. So don't be buying that starterbuck. You
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got to buy diapers basically. So Nancy was unable to work, like Stu
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said, because she didn't have a work visa or a green card or anything.
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So she starts picking up odd jobs on the side that paid cash,
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trying to supplement what Brad was giving her. Now this included she was painting.
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She offered to paint her neighbor's house and paint some in her neighbor's house
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and stuff with that, and she was going to pay cash because she didn't
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want to ask her family for money. She was real embarrassed about that.
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She wanted to make sure it was to her children. She wanted to pay,
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you know, work to pay to take care of them. So the
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friend was like, okay, well, if you don't want to take cash
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from me, when we'll work this side and you can come paint. Well.
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Whenever Brad found out that he was that she was going to get cash
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from working, he reduced her weekly because he said, well, you're supplementing
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what you what you were going to get, so I shouldn't have to give
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you as much. So anyways, he's just intentionally trying to make her life
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very difficult. Now, Nancy growing paranoid about Brad and what he was capable
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of, She began keeping all important papers, including the girls passports, with
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her locked in her car because she was afraid he was going to go and
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take him. And then if he took the passports of the girls, how
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she ever going to be able to snap them out of the country. Yeah,
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she needed to get out. How There's no way she could get them
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out of the country. I mean, that's that would be scary. And
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that's why you get the passport cards. Passport cards, Yeah, the little
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cards because you can cross into the United States or Canada. Oh, which
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is the passport cards okay old overland. Yeah, you can't do it in
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an airport, but if you drive across, Okay, Well, it doesn't
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change the fact that they didn't have those back then. And also, I
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don't know, so you're just giving tips to people that might be in this
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situation, this exact situation. Just make sure you get the passport cards and
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keep them on your person. Yes, I'd probably keep the passports on me
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at all times. I wouldn't even leave them in a car, you know.
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And if your car out broken into and somebody stole you down pass yeah,
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or if somebody broke into it, somebody with a key, yeah,
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and names on the title as well. Yeah. Now, Nancy's family told
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police that as time approach for Nancy and the girls to move to Canada,
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that began drafting up divorce papers outlining visitation, child sport alimony. And as
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soon as Brad saw the divorce papers, he immediately called off the deal and
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said the girls could not go. He managed to get hold of their passporch,
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which stopped nan passporch. I said, passport, You said, passport.
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Now, last week you kept saying, Stacy, No, that's not
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a true But okay, now this stopped Nancy from being able to leave the
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country with the girls. It looked like this was going only she'd had those
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passport cards. Yep. Now, it looked like this was going to be
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a very nasty divorce and child custody battle. But Nancy wanted out and she
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was miserable with Brad, her family said. But she was willing to fight
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for the girls too. So yeah, I mean, I don't even know
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what you do in that situation, you're kind of stuck. Like we said,
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she can't work, she can't do anything. She's dependent on Brad.
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And unless the courts step in and say you need to immediately give her access
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to half of everything finance, then she's screwed. I mean, she's in
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a real bad situation, all right. So that was kind of the state
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of their marriage leading up to Nancy's disappearance. So back to the investigation,
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please look into Brad's actions that morning, and they were able to find video
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footage of him going to the store around six am, like he said,
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but during the time that Nancy disappeared, he was just at home alone,
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like there weren't nobody there to vouch for him. So the family, they're
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growing concerned that Brad was involved with Nancy's murder, so they filed for an
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emergency custody hearing to have the girls place with Krista, which was Nancy's twin
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sister, temporarily. Now into the documents they filed, they talked about the
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emotional abuse Nancy had undergone with Brad and that ever since the murder, Brad
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had been isolating himself with the girls, which is very worrying. They worried
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about the safety of the girls, and they were afraid that Brad might do
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something crazy. Be back in a corner. He's keeping them with him,
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and then he hurts the girls, hurt himself. Suicide. Yeah, I
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mean that's happened before. We've seen that happened before. When when the person
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who has the children or is the spouse's being that everyone thinks did it,
24:12
they become paranoid and they're like, well, you're not taking my children,
24:17
so world is going to go together. So the judge agrees and the girls
24:19
went to live with Krista and her husband in Canada. Now, just one
24:25
might imagine, Brad was very upset about the custody decision and he started working
24:29
to get his daughter's back. In the process of trying to get the children,
24:33
Brad brack back, Brad had to go under oath for a deposition to
24:38
answer questions about his marriage. During this deposition, he had to explain why
24:44
he had taken Nancy's credit cards away and put her on a cash stipend.
24:48
It's so funny this this happens a lot. People will get be in trouble
24:52
for something and then there's some other other battle going on, so they have
24:56
to go under oath, but this is opportunity unity for them to actually ask
25:00
questions under oath, answering some of these things that they want to know about
25:04
this whatever the that's probably how you're going to get caught in mind. Probably
25:10
now. Nancy's family said it was to control and punish Nancy. Brad said
25:15
it was to rain then an excess of spending that Nancy did. Supposedly they
25:19
were in massive amounts of debt or else they were in massive amounts of debt,
25:25
but supposedly both of them were just racking up tens of thousands of dollars
25:27
in credit card debt, which sounds bad, But I don't know how much
25:33
money he was making. Like, if you're making forty five thousand dollars a
25:40
year, then sure tens of thousand dollars worth of debt is going to be
25:44
you know, suffocating, like you're not built. But if you're making if
25:47
he's making I mean back when I don't know how much he was making an
25:51
it and he I mean, like I said, he was real smart.
25:53
He was pioneering all sorts of things and specialized. There was only a few
25:56
people that could do what he did. He's probably made two hundred thousand,
26:02
Yeah, two fifty or something. So while it sounds bad, I don't
26:06
know how bad comparison. I mean, they weren't hundreds of thousand dollars a
26:11
death, they were tens of thousand. So if he's making two hundred and
26:12
fifty thousand, I mean they could probably pay that off in a couple months
26:17
of just tighten, tighten the budget, get on the budget. Yeah,
26:19
like put her on a cash dipe and take away a card. Yeah,
26:22
but it looks bad when you're getting a divorce and you do that, though,
26:26
that's tend to look a little tend like a little controlling. Yeah.
26:30
Now, he said he would give Nancy three hundred dollars per week to manage
26:33
what she was spending. When asked about the bear, he said it only
26:37
happened one time, back in two thousand and five. He said him and
26:41
Heather had had sex in the master bedroom closet of his house, and then
26:48
he had lied to Nancy for about it for about a year before he finally
26:53
confessed. But that's not what Nancy said. Nancy was telling friends and family
26:59
that in the therapist, which I'm sure they can't get the information from the
27:02
therapist, because that's like a hippa. Yeah, but that's not what she
27:06
was telling friends and family that he was in love with Heather and has been
27:08
going on for a while. Why were they in the master bedroom closet.
27:11
I'm wondering if Nancy might have been in the house. You know, that
27:15
seems weird. I think he was just fun, just fun, let's do
27:22
to the respectful to his wife. And he was going to have sex another
27:25
woman in their bed. You're discussing here, just gonna have the affair in
27:29
the closet. Three hundred dollars a week, though, let's go back to
27:33
the I'm always so interested in the finances of it all. Three hundred dollars
27:37
a week if you're just if you're don't have any expenses, but I don't.
27:42
I wonder what he was making her buy with the three hundred dollars a
27:45
week, because I don't spend three hundred dollars a week. STU gives me
27:51
an allowance every week, and I'm kidding, I do. That's the last
27:56
thing we would do. That's the last thing STU would do. Give me
27:59
an allowance. That would not go well anyways. But if he told me,
28:03
I'm going to give you an allowance each week for this, but three
28:06
hundred dollars if she's not having to buy groceries or things, I don't know.
28:10
Whenever they talk about this, all we have is what go off what
28:12
he's saying. But I don't know. Maybe Nancy did have a spending problem,
28:15
which that's that's fine. It doesn't mean she deserved to die or like
28:22
that. I mean, but I'm just saying that we don't know if she
28:26
did have a spending issue, because three hundred dollars a week to me,
28:29
seems doable. It doesn't seem like crazy, you know, to me,
28:33
especially back then, Like if all you're doing is buy diapers and things like
28:37
that, then I don't know what you need the extra three hundred, Like
28:40
what do you need? Unless he was making or buy groceries and everything,
28:42
well, that's a different story. Quite possible. I could they she had
28:47
to buy all the food defeated kid. Yeah, I mean if that's the
28:49
case, then if she's having to buy diapers and spend on the groceries and
28:53
that's the whole budget. Even so though that's like I feel like it's not
28:57
that bad. That's just my opinion. Yeah, I mean you can get
29:02
a box of diapers right now for forty bucks in a last year a month,
29:06
yeah, three weeks to a month. Yeah. I'm a frugal person
29:08
though. So Nancy's over here in Raleigh, a suburb of Raleigh. There's
29:12
probably wearing like Lululemon all that fancy, yeah, and Louis Vaton little printed
29:18
like diapers and all these things. Anyway, I think you're making rally out
29:23
to be more. I think it's quite possible. Ye. I think anybody
29:29
in Raleigh let us know. I think it's expensive. Yeah, I mean
29:30
it might be expensive. I don't live there. I've never been there,
29:33
so I don't know. Okay, anyway, so, yes, he was
29:38
respectful, didn't have sex in the bed, did in the closet. We're
29:42
gonna get ripped over this because I'm like, oh, bitch, should have
29:45
had it together with three hundred dollars a week, You're over like, oh,
29:48
he's being respectful not doing it. But we're joking people. I mean,
29:52
I'm not about the three hundred dollars, but I still think that's enough
29:55
money probably to survive. But it's still not good of him, especially if
29:59
she's she should be allotted half of what he's making anyway, So and however
30:04
she wants to spend it, that's her prerogative. Or they put a budget
30:08
in a debt consolidation, planing down or something. Yeah, the stone and
30:12
they're both living by that lifestyle anyway. One asked about what happened to the
30:19
agreement for them to sell the house and for Nancy to move to Canada.
30:25
He said when he added up all the items she wanted each month, the
30:29
insurance, the private school, extracurricular activities, plus all the other add ons,
30:34
it would be about five thousand and six thousand dollars per month and he
30:38
didn't feel this was fair. Along with his daughters moving to Canada, so
30:41
he would hardly see them during the deposition, he said he spoke to Nancy
30:45
at about six forty am. She called him when he was coming home from
30:51
the store. When he arrived home, he worked on his computer while holding
30:55
his two year old daughter, and around seven am Nancy for her run and
31:00
that was the last time he saw her alive. Yeah, so they were
31:03
able to get some more answers sworn answers. This is what happened, and
31:10
it did allow the lawyers on her side to be able to ask some of
31:14
these questions and find out five to six thousand dollars per month. Well,
31:18
you also got a figure that if he's going to go under if he's going
31:22
to go on trial for her murder, he didn't have to go under oath.
31:26
He's got to spit the minute rights. So this deposition, So going
31:32
under oath for this deposition about what's going on with the finances, it's a
31:36
totally different thing. So he has to go under oath and answer questions which
31:40
they can then again use later. Well, yeah, he might have not
31:42
testified on his but he I mean, he's being interviewed by police. But
31:45
yeah, he might have not testified at his own trial, and so he
31:48
would never have to answer these questions. But for the custody of his children,
31:52
has to go under oath and start answering questions that he probably wouldn't rather
31:56
not rather not answer and wouldn't have to answer otherwise. But the five to
32:01
six thousand dollars a month, So let's go back, say he's making,
32:06
say he's making twelve thousand dollars a month, which would be what one hundred
32:10
and forty four thousand dollars a year. Yeah, Uncle Sam's going to get
32:15
their cut, that's for sure. Okay, So say he's making that's about
32:19
half of what he's making though, I mean, it's not crazy for two
32:22
daughters and everything. And he's, like I said, he she's been a
32:25
stay at home mom. That's the that's she's He went and got the job,
32:30
he was working. She was supporting him, raising their children, keeping
32:32
the home while he was able to go and excel at his career. That's
32:36
surprise. You gotta pay motherfucker here on Nancy side in this divorce for summer.
32:39
I am on Nancy's side. I don't feel like that's crazy. The
32:44
five or six thousand dollars a month based on I think the dog parted.
32:49
Sure, blame it on the dog. Now, police they didn't then spoke
32:53
to the people who attended the neighborhood party that night before Nancy was murdered.
32:58
They believe that Nancy was not murdered the morning of July twelfth when she went
33:01
for that run. They believed that she was murdered sometime in the early morning
33:05
hours before Brad went to the store. So this is like changes everything that
33:10
they don't think he did this while she left and attacked her on the trail.
33:15
Like whenever I heard this story, initially I was like, oh,
33:17
he went out and while she was on this trail he attacked her or something
33:21
like that. But that's not because nobody's heart. Nobody heard from her from
33:24
when she left the party. That was it. That was the last time
33:27
anybody spoke to her, besides Brad saying he saw her. So anyway,
33:31
so they believe she was murdered sometime before those early morning hours before he had
33:37
gone to the store. So they discussed with friends about what happened at the
33:39
party. Well, friends said that they openly argued at the party and it
33:45
was tense between the two of them. They said that Brad left around eight
33:47
pm and Nancy stayed complaining about Brad the whole time, which must have been
33:52
real fun for her friends. Yes, it's always good to get a little
33:54
gossip, but whenever that your friends keep complaining about their significant you're like,
33:58
Okay, we'll just fucking divorce him. I don't want to move on.
34:02
Yeah, well then that's what they tell me when I'm complained about you.
34:07
Same way. So she headed home around midnight. Well, Brad said in
34:10
his deposition that he had gone to bed at nine pm, so he never
34:14
saw Nancy after she came home that night. He saw her the next morning
34:17
when she left for her run, and around four him when they were with
34:21
their daughter. Well. Her friends said that they had a bad feeling about
34:23
the Cooper marriage and they could tell tensions were running high and Nancy felt trapped
34:28
based on how she was acting that night. Now, with nothing to go
34:31
on but rumors of a bad marriage and a husband acting a little odd,
34:36
police needed to confirm Brad's accounts of events that night, so they turned to
34:40
his computer, which had been submitted to the FBI, to their forensic lab.
34:45
What they found out was that Brad was active on his computer after nine
34:50
pm, when he had said that he had gone to sleep. He was
34:55
active actually all the way up until about eleven forty nine pm, which was
35:00
around the time that Nancy returned home. They also found that the day before
35:04
Nancy's murder, Brad had searched the Carry, North Carolina area and had zoomed
35:08
in on Google Maps exact location of where Nancy's body had been found. Yes,
35:14
and this is a very this isn't whenever, so whenever you see the
35:16
Google Maps. Like I said, she was found in a undeveloped subdivision,
35:21
so it's it was a what is it a cold de sac? Is that
35:25
the round thing at the end, Yes, so it was a coul de
35:29
sac where her body was found in this storm drain. So he's it's this
35:32
piece of land that's outside a carry, you know, a couple of miles
35:36
away there's and then literally nothing else built around it. It's not like he
35:39
would be looking for a store or anything that that. Are you looking for
35:43
a new house like many? I want to buy some land out there?
35:46
Stewart, what did you? What are you doing? Anyways? Stewart's being
35:51
facetious and annoying. I get it, guys. He's annoying me too.
35:55
Anyway. So he zooms into this cold de sac that's out there with there's
35:59
nothing out there but the trees, and all they built is the actual cold
36:01
to sec like this, this street and the curb, and he zooms right
36:06
into it for just to split second and then zooms back out. He searches
36:12
that area, zooms in, looks at it, and then zoom's back out,
36:15
and they have this all time stamped on Google Maps. On his computer.
36:20
Yeah, and also this is the only location that he actually searched that
36:23
day on Google Map. Yeah, he wasn't looking for a store, He
36:27
wasn't looking for directions somewhere. This was a very calculated search. Or it
36:32
was an accident. I just accidentally zoomed in on that location in the exact
36:37
place my wife's dead body is going to be found hours later or a couple
36:42
days later. Yeah, now before she went missing store, this was the
36:46
day before. What is wrong with you? Where are you being? Where
36:50
are you trying to explain this man's actions? The only thing I'm going to
36:53
side on with I'm back on this money situation. I looked it up in
36:58
today's money. That's four hundred thirty dollars a week. Some people that's there.
37:01
Some people that's their entire paycheck. Yes, for a week, and
37:06
Jo she only had to survive what like four hundred and thirty dollars a week
37:09
for a four and a two year old. I mean, even if you
37:13
bought Starbucks every day back then probably three, you can still survive. For
37:19
even if you had to buy food. I could definitely survive at four hundred
37:22
and thirty dollars a week. If like all the bills were paid and all
37:24
I had to do was buy food and gas and things like that. They
37:30
had a four and a two year old. I mean, I'm not explaining,
37:31
like I don't know if he should have been given her allowance or not.
37:34
I'm just saying it wasn't that dramatic of a He's not. He was
37:37
like, here's fifty dollars a week. Good luck, bitch. Yeah,
37:42
I mean it was. It was four hundred and thirty dollars a week.
37:44
You could eat out every day of the week with the four and the two
37:47
year old and still be okay. Yeah. Not these days, you can't
37:51
noll no oh, I mean yeah, you go to McDonald's these days,
37:55
it's ridiculous. I went to freaking Water Burger and I was I was out
38:00
for work, So if it had been my money, I definitely would have
38:04
just left. But I ordered like a regular meal and it was almost seventeen
38:07
dollars, like a regular meal. Stud This wasn't something crazy. It was
38:12
like a burger with the double meat and like fries in a drink, and
38:15
it was almost seventeen dollars. If if that had been my money, I
38:19
would have been like, sorry, no, thank you. And I would
38:20
have just drove off. No way in hell I would have paid that much
38:22
money. That's a lot of goddamn money for a guy, Yes, for
38:27
a water Burger value meal and it wasn't even that good. Well they're based
38:31
out of Chicago now, so I know it's really gone down. Well.
38:35
Yeah, anyways, back to just the thing. We're gonna get emails about
38:39
the four hundred and thirty dollars, but I'm just saying I don't feel like
38:42
it's that dramatic, but especially still a controlling technique. I'm sure it's what
38:46
but it was meant to Yeah, you put her on cash cash Yeah,
38:51
and you haven't agreed to follow a budget to pay on your debt, just
38:54
like here you go, I'm doing this arbitrarily. Yeah. Anyway, when
39:00
police are trying to determine how he made the call at six forty am from
39:06
the house to a cell phone, and they turned to people in Brad's own
39:08
field of work in the IT industry, and Brad specialized in internet connections and
39:15
phone lines, so this was specialized. It was a specialized subtype of it.
39:21
Yeah, I want to say. They only said about fifty people in
39:23
the world were experts at this interface between phone lines, and I mean,
39:30
I don't know anything about it, but apparently it was very special that they
39:34
started doing like voiceover IP in all kinds of weird thing. That's whenever you
39:39
started getting your cable modems that you could you could win. They could the
39:45
cable companies could be your phone company too, so you could get a modem
39:49
with a a modem that you could plug your phone into and you could talk
39:53
over the cable lines instead of having copper lines with AT and T. You're
39:58
boring me, you're boring the people. But this is whenever that all that
40:00
stuff started, well, he was specialized in this, so he was probably
40:05
on the leading nage of this voice over IP stuff. Now, experts testified
40:08
that a call could be programmed to make a call on a delay if you
40:15
had a certain type of router, and it just so happened that Brad had
40:17
borrowed that exact router from work a few months before Nancy was murdered, because,
40:22
like we said, we needed He said that Nancy called him from the
40:27
house from the house on his phone while he was out at the store,
40:30
So they believed Nancy was already dead at that point in time. So he
40:36
needed some sort of way to plan to make a phone call from Nancy.
40:39
And this is where this specialized router comes in, is what they're saying.
40:44
So he just left us two and a four year old at the house,
40:45
you think, I think so. No, Well he went to the store.
40:51
So yeah, I guess that they were probably asleep if it was that
40:53
early. And the two year old they said had gotten up at four am.
40:58
She was probably I mean it was six o'clock in the morning, did
41:00
she or did she? Well, yeah, because he said Nancy was there,
41:04
so probably not. She probably wasn't. Now that well, okay,
41:08
so talking about the router again, please start looking for the rider. And
41:13
the router's missing. Now Bradley has no explanation on why it's not at work,
41:17
it's not at the house. Now, with all of this evidence,
41:22
police believe that they have the person that they're looking for in the old murder
41:27
of Nancy. Yeah, they can. They can. They believe this is
41:30
how he planned to help cover his trucks. In October of two thousand and
41:35
eight, brad was arrested and charged with Nancy's murder. Now, the prosecution
41:38
argued that brad did not want to deal with Nancy anymore, and that divorcing
41:42
her would be expensive. It'd be drawn out, cheaper to keep her,
41:46
Yeah, well cheaper to killers what he was thinking, it's what they're arguing.
41:52
So he just didn't want to deal with that anymore, and so they
41:53
argued that when Nancy came home that evening, after they had already been arguing
41:58
all night. If you're arguing in front of friends at this point, it's
42:02
bad. Yeah, because normal couples that just fight maybe at home, and
42:08
it's not that bad. You can hold it together out in public. Okay,
42:13
we're going to talk about this. You just give a look and you're
42:16
like, listen, motherfucker. The ship's coming up later. We might you
42:23
know, you might not. You might argue on your podcast things like that,
42:27
but you're keeping it together in front of the friends. You're not embarrassing
42:30
yourselves and putting your marriage on display like that or your friends an awkward yes.
42:35
So they're at that level where they're arguing in front of friends, so
42:37
it's it's not good. So they had already gotten into this fight, been
42:43
arguing everything, and so when she returned home, the fight escalated, and
42:46
they believe Brad began choking her. Now once she was dead, he loaded
42:50
her in the trunk of his car and drove her to the location he had
42:52
searched the day before, that subdivision he had zoomed in on. And when
42:58
it came time for the defense, they argued that the prosecution had no real
43:00
evidence. They brought forward witnesses stating that they saw Nancy. Some you know
43:05
people said they saw Nancy jogging that morning, which would contradict the prosecution's argument
43:10
that Brad killed her and she never went jogging. They also brought forward other
43:15
friends who said they had never witnessed Brad get angry or be abusive in their
43:19
marriage. What I'd like to ask those friends was, well, did you
43:22
see Brad fucking Heather in their master closet? Or just because you haven't seen
43:30
it doesn't mean like I never understand that. You bring like we can find
43:35
you can find anybody to say, oh, well I haven't I've never seen
43:37
them them do that. I've never seen No one knows we do this podcast.
43:42
If you brought them on a witnessing, all of our friends and family
43:45
be like, I've never seen them doing podcasts. They've never told him told
43:51
him, so that that's so that's just to me, that doesn't make sense.
43:54
I can see saying yes, people have seen them argue, but bringing
43:59
on witnesses saying that they've never seen him argue, it's like, well,
44:00
you didn't see him screw and Heather in the closet, EI there, So
44:05
where's your argument on that one? Now, they argued that the three hundred
44:07
weekly allowance was only because the couple was in severe debt, like we talked
44:12
about now. The final bombshell was that when they brought forward a witness saying
44:15
he had sex with Nancy back in two thousand and five. Oh lord,
44:19
yes, so they're saying Nancy cheated on Brad. First, he said it
44:22
was at a Halloween party, they were both drunk, they had sex,
44:25
and then they never spoke of it again. He said he didn't want to
44:29
come forward as it would hurt his family, but he finally did because I
44:31
don't know if he was still with his wife for what his relationship status was,
44:35
but he wanted to cover this up. So they argued that others might
44:38
have wanted to hurt Nancy, including the man she had slept with back in
44:42
two thousand and five, which that was the whole point of bringing him up.
44:45
There was not to say, I don't know how they found this fellow.
44:50
Well, he finally came forward. I guess the pressure built and he
44:53
finally came forward and said, yes, I slept with Nancy back in two
44:55
thousand and five. But he's dumb because he should just kept his mouth shut,
44:59
because the prosecution was like or the defense was like, well he wanted
45:02
to kill Nancy. It's like, what the fuck would he want to shut
45:06
up? And as he but they completely dismissed their whole entire argument because he
45:13
willingly came forward and told about this affair. So anyways, the man,
45:19
though had an airtight alibi, he had actually been with Heather. This this
45:24
ancestor with this is vanderbump Rolls. The man had an air tied alb he'd
45:29
been with Heather, the woman Brad had been cheating with. So this is
45:31
all an incestuous bunch now. They also argued that police were gunning for Brad
45:37
from the very start, even accidentally erasing all the content on Nancy's phone,
45:40
which apparently did happen. Someone was messing around the phone the police station and
45:45
they erased all of the data. Now, the defense argued that his computer
45:51
was hacked and that it was where that's where the Google search came from.
45:53
There, saying that someone hacked into his computer zoomed into that that day plan
45:59
of the Yeah, it's planted that, But there was an expert from the
46:02
FBI that said that they saw no signs of tampering with the computer. So,
46:06
I that seems like a their argument seem a little flimsy, but that's
46:14
what they were going with. These were there, I mean, basically,
46:19
I mean, the only thing I see is that they didn't have much evidence
46:21
besides the marriage and the zooming in on the Yeah, that's all circumstantial,
46:27
definitely circumstantial. They don't have a murder location. There's no blood in the
46:32
house or if she was killed in the house, they don't have any videos.
46:36
Well, she was choked, so there wouldn't meany blood. They don't
46:38
have any video of him taken leaving the house. Whether, I guess they
46:43
didn't have any evidence that if they're saying that they she stuffed her in the
46:46
trunk, I don't know if she'd be dead long enough for them to be
46:49
able to put pick up a scent on a dead body. I don't know
46:52
if she'd be circumstantial unless they could actually get her the dog to get up
46:59
on the standard. Talk about it, talk about it. But anyways,
47:06
those were the arguments from the defense. All right. So two, I
47:10
was just going to throw it in here because I was able to find this
47:13
out. He was making about seventeen thousand dollars a month. That was his
47:16
income at the time. Just fy, everybody, not a bad little gig.
47:21
Yeah, so he was making play. So five to six thousand dollars
47:23
a month in child support alimony was I feel like reasonable in two thousand and
47:29
definitely doable. Yeah. So anyways, after almost a two month trial,
47:35
they find him guilty ste yes on the circumstantial evidence. He is sentenced to
47:42
prison. However, as he's awaiting trial, they do all these appeals,
47:45
and there was a whole thing with the judge allowing these experts on this Google
47:51
maps thing, because they were saying that they shouldn't have allowed the expert,
47:55
that they weren't qualified enough to say that this Google Map thing on the computer
48:00
was Brad's and all this stuff, and so the North Carolina Supreme Court actually
48:05
overruled his conviction. I think it was in twenty fourteen, and then he
48:10
ended up pleading instead of going to a second trial, he went ahead and
48:15
pleaded guilty to second degree murder too, and then he also agreed to relinquish
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any rights to his children so that the twin sister could officially adopt them,
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and so he with time served and everything like that. He actually got out
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in twenty twenty and was extradited back to Canada. So it's Canada's problem now,
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bitches, ohez. Yeah. So anyways, the whole trial was apparently
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very salacious because of these it's all these rich people hanging out in this ritzy
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neighborhood and stuff like that, having these parties and then like sleeping with each
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other basically nice. So anyway, so yeah, so Brad is out and
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about right now, but he can't get to us. He can't, yes,
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unless he yeah, I'll just we'll just have to stay out at Canada.
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So but um, all right, well that's our episode for this week.
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Um, at least the daughter's gone away. I mean, that's the
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only thing that's good. Have they they're in the same country as dad now,
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well I know, but they got away. They're grown now at this
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point because they would have been two and four in two thousand and eight,
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fifteen years. Yeah, they're seventeen, nineteen years old, so it'd be
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well, I mean, it'd be up to them if they had a relationship.
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I mean, but I'm saying that they didn't. He didn't get to
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keep the girls and do something harm them or something in like a panic because
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he sold the walls closing in. Yeah. So anyways, so do you
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have a y'all need Jesus? Of course I got y'all need Jesus. I
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always have a y'all need us. Okay, are you ready right now?
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I had one two episodes ago. But when you went rogue with the with
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the Crescent Hotel, no with the van or pump Oh okay, yeah,
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that was whatever, Stu, I don't care. All right, this has
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been confirmed. I thought it was like an onion or one of the satire
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sites, but it was not. There was a hiker lost on mountain for
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twenty four hours who ignored calls from rescuers because he didn't recognize the number.
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I thought it might be spanned. I would say Florida or I Florida,
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but there are mountains of Florida now This is from October twenty fifth, two
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twenty one. A hiker who was lost on a mountain for about twenty four
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hours ignored calls from rescue crews because he didn't recognize the phone number, officials
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said. The hiker was reported mission should have left them dead last week after
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they never returned from a trek on Mount Albert in Colorado, the highest summit
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of the Rocky Mountains, according to Lake County Search and Rescue. After an
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unsuccessful search of an area where the hikers typically get lost, crews learned that
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the lost individual had returned to their place of lodging. One notable takeaway is
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that the subject ignored repeat phone calls from us because they didn't recognize the number.
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Officials said. If you're overdue according to your itinerary, and you start
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getting repeated calls from an unknown number, please answer the phone. Official said.
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The hiker claimed they got lost when it got dark and that they reached
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their car the next morning. We have no name, so they found their
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way back on their own without the rescuers. Yes, but the rescuers were
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trying to call them to help them. Yes. Instead, he just wandered
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around loss for twenty four hours, yes, until you just meandered back in
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somehowp Car then went to his hotel. All right, well, if you're
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this is the PSA for today. You know. They just want to make
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everybody aware. Answer the phone calls if I'm lost, I'm why didn't he
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call one of his friends or something? I don't know why you don't call
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if you're lost? Ense getting dark and spend a night on a mountain.
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All right, Well, thank you for that, Stewart, you're quiet welcome.
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All right, Well it wasn't vander Pump role related, but no I
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had. I can probably circle circle it back to vander Pump rolls something.
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I'm sure you probably could. It's not about the hiking or something. Yeah,
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it's not about the pole stuff anyways. All right, well I guess
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that is it. I guess we will see you next time. By everyone
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say by stuy, don't you know it's by to be supersticious bottomping else it is working