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The Late Debate | 13 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: General Man, Welcome to the late play.
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  Speaker 2: Well good evening, Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson, with Liz Storra and Caleb Bond coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The Dublin Zoo have a unique.
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  Speaker 3: Strategy to teach an orangutang how to care for its young.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later.
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  Speaker 3: Plus when we look at the papers, the latest nap
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  Speaker 3: plan results are out bad news for parents and even
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  Speaker 3: worse news for students. Plus the Victorian government, Renegg's on
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  Speaker 3: a plan to raise the age of criminal responsibility. We
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  Speaker 3: get to all of that when we look at tomorrow's papers.
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  Speaker 3: But first, the government unveiled a new digital ID today
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  Speaker 3: that no one is asking for and that promises to
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  Speaker 3: help us do what we're already doing without government interference.
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  Speaker 3: The government is calling it the Trust Exchange, which sounds
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  Speaker 3: a little or wellyan when the government asks you to
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  Speaker 3: trust them and wheels out bill shorten of all people
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  Speaker 3: to do the asking, well, that should be a big red.
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  Speaker 4: Text is something brand new and world leading. It is
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  Speaker 4: not a wallet, nor an app nor ID, but rather
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  Speaker 4: it is a secure means by which to exchange with
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  Speaker 4: a third party who you are, your identity and what
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  Speaker 4: you can do your Credentials Service. Australia is partnering with
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  Speaker 4: other government systems to develop texts to give Australians the
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  Speaker 4: ability to verify their identity and credentials based on official
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  Speaker 4: information already held by the Australian government.
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  Speaker 3: So the idea is you go to a club or
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  Speaker 3: a hotel and scan a QR code that connects your
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  Speaker 3: information on you GOV with the third party's computer system
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  Speaker 3: verifying your ID, or you could just you know, pull
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  Speaker 3: out your driver's license. The government's spending eleven point four
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  Speaker 3: million dollars and collaborating with that trusted partner Google because
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  Speaker 3: we know they're trustworthy to develop the Trust Exchange. Now
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  Speaker 3: this comes as lab prepares to officially launch its digital
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  Speaker 3: ID on Decet first, with Katie Gallagher today assuring Australians
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  Speaker 3: were still bloodied and bruised by what governments did to
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  Speaker 3: them during the pandemic, that we can trust the government.
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  Speaker 5: We have been very clear.
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  Speaker 6: It is a voluntary system, it is a safe system,
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  Speaker 6: it is a secure system, and it's simply a means
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  Speaker 6: of verifying yourself in a way that gives you control
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  Speaker 6: of your own documentation.
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  Speaker 3: Voluntary, safe and secure lizid trust the government with all
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  Speaker 3: of your information.
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  Speaker 5: Never.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, this is truly a backflip from the usual
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  Speaker 7: motors upperande of the government.
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  Speaker 5: Right. So normally with.
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  Speaker 7: Every policy, with every new law that they come up with,
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  Speaker 7: the strategy is first, we've got to make the people
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  Speaker 7: want it, right, so we talk about whatever the case
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  Speaker 7: may be, so that the people are crying out for
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  Speaker 7: a solution, and then we the government say, oh, that's
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  Speaker 7: so terrific. Is a solution that I prepared earlier and
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  Speaker 7: always wanted to roll out. But now that the government
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  Speaker 7: and the media has done a number on you, the public,
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  Speaker 7: and you're crying out for it, now we look like
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  Speaker 7: the saviors. Every single time you have a measure like
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  Speaker 7: this which increases people's reliance on the government while increasing
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  Speaker 7: the government's power over the people.
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  Speaker 5: That right there is the access of evil. That is
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  Speaker 5: where you go no bad policy.
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  Speaker 7: We do not want it. And as much as they
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  Speaker 7: keep saying, oh, it's totally opt in, if you don't
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  Speaker 7: want it, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, vote with your feet, I hope we do Australia.
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  Speaker 7: I hope this ends up being an absolute burning dumpster
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  Speaker 7: fire of an idea. I hope they waste every single
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  Speaker 7: million that they spend on it because the takeup is
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  Speaker 7: so low. But the plan seems to be here that
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  Speaker 7: the corporates will then take this on.
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  Speaker 5: So Bill Shorten.
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  Speaker 7: Talked about at the press conference today. Telstra and Google
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  Speaker 7: have welcomed the opportunity. Tell you know the one that
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  Speaker 7: got hacked just like five minutes ago, and hundreds, hundreds
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  Speaker 7: and hundreds it was thousands and thousands actually of their
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  Speaker 7: customers had their data. It was a massive breach and
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  Speaker 7: everyone was up and arms about it.
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  Speaker 5: So again to.
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  Speaker 7: Us the experts, I'm sure it'll go don't find this time.
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  Speaker 7: But they're trying to convince us now that oh it's
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  Speaker 7: so onerous producing your license, isn't it. Don't you hate
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  Speaker 7: traveling with a passport? What a peski passport?
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  Speaker 5: These things aren't onerous. Nobody has asked the government for this.
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  Speaker 7: So instead of convincing the people like they normally do,
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  Speaker 7: all there's a massive problem and we need to fix it,
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  Speaker 7: and the people cry out for it, and then.
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  Speaker 5: They say, oh, oh, here we go, they're.
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  Speaker 7: Instead just introducing this measure and everyone's sat there going,
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  Speaker 7: hang on a minute, we don't want this. We already
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  Speaker 7: know that if the government wanted to access a lot
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  Speaker 7: of information on us, they can at the click of
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  Speaker 7: a button. They've got your passport, they've got your driver's license,
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  Speaker 7: they've got you jaywalking three years ago.
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  Speaker 5: At the intersection of this and that. But what this
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  Speaker 5: is going to do is.
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  Speaker 7: Usher in an autocratic, technocratic type government. Where As we've
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  Speaker 7: heard Edward Snowden and so many other whistleblowers over the
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  Speaker 7: years talk about this is talking about getting all your
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  Speaker 7: information in one spot them, or you use that digital ID,
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  Speaker 7: They've got everything on you with just using whatever number
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  Speaker 7: you're given as a digital ID.
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  Speaker 5: And this is truly.
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  Speaker 7: Nefarious at a time when we're seeing people in the
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  Speaker 7: UK or a three thousand of them just last year
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  Speaker 7: arrested for a post that they've made on Facebook. So
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  Speaker 7: keep in mind their capacity now to store your data,
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  Speaker 7: collect everything on you, how you're spending your money, what
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  Speaker 7: you're spending your money on, your life location, when you're
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  Speaker 7: spending that money. Therefore, you've got your values already spelled out.
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  Speaker 7: The power this gives them to control you as an
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  Speaker 7: individual is unprecedented.
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  Speaker 5: No government should have this much control.
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  Speaker 8: I want to say when Shorten was talking about we're
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  Speaker 8: going to develop techs. My first thought was, well, the
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  Speaker 8: Adelaide Crow's great Taylor Walker has already scored six hundred
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  Speaker 8: and thirty nine goals for the Crows. We don't need
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  Speaker 8: to develop him at all. You've woken up finally shortened.
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  Speaker 8: He's a Melbourne man. I'm sure he understands he's AFL.
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  Speaker 8: But it's interesting here because it does potentially fix one problem.
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  Speaker 8: And that one problem is that if you go to
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  Speaker 8: a club or something right and you have to give
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  Speaker 8: your license over in order to enter it, you've got
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  Speaker 8: private companies that you know, we don't know what sort
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  Speaker 8: of rules and regulations they have around collecting that personal information,
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  Speaker 8: so that there's a problem in the system where that
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  Speaker 8: could be hacked, stolen, et cetera. And so what they're
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  Speaker 8: saying is this is a if you are code that
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  Speaker 8: you'll be able to use that verifies your identity without
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  Speaker 8: necessarily giving your identity to that business, et cetera. Fine,
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  Speaker 8: I understand that, but what that means is then centralizing
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  Speaker 8: all of that data in one place with the government.
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  Speaker 8: So sure, you might be concerned that the club that
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  Speaker 8: you've given a copy of your license to could be
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  Speaker 8: hacked or someone at that club could go through that
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  Speaker 8: data and steal it and use it for a nefarious purpose.
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  Speaker 8: But you then set up a system that basically says
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  Speaker 8: to anyone, well, if you want shed loads of data
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  Speaker 8: and personal information, this is the one place to go
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  Speaker 8: and steal it from. And it opens up the possibility
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  Speaker 8: that the government is then tracking where you are going,
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  Speaker 8: because if you are using a government system to prove
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  Speaker 8: your identity at a club or a pub, or an airport.
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  Speaker 1: Or whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 8: If you're going for a rental and you need to
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  Speaker 8: prove your identity to a real estate agency, etc. The
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  Speaker 8: government could then potentially track every place where.
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  Speaker 1: You have used that.
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  Speaker 8: So we go back to COVID, where we had QR
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  Speaker 8: codes that we were cemant to use I use the
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  Speaker 8: word meant advisedly there to check into certain venues because
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  Speaker 8: they were doing contact tracing, et cetera. And we were told,
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  Speaker 8: don't worry, that's all water tight, that data is not
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  Speaker 8: going to be used by police or anything. But we
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  Speaker 8: saw in WA that that check in data was accessed
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  Speaker 8: by police in some cases for criminal cases that were
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  Speaker 8: as minor as you know, a scuffle on a party
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  Speaker 8: strip on a Saturday Night. Like, we're not talking about
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  Speaker 8: murder and rape. We're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty low level crimes.
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  Speaker 8: That the Western Australian Police were accessing that data to
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  Speaker 8: make their job easier. And so if you're handing it, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: so if you're using that government system, it opens up
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  Speaker 8: the possibility that those cookies are being kept and that
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  Speaker 8: a law enforcement agency or another government agency may want
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  Speaker 8: to use that for its owner at another time. So, yes,
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  Speaker 8: you plug the one hole of the danger of personal
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  Speaker 8: information being stolen by a third party. But you've then
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  Speaker 8: concentrated even more personal data with an even bigger.
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  Speaker 1: Entity, the entity that rules your entire life.
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  Speaker 8: And we're say, yes, that's going to solve the problems
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  Speaker 8: of personal privacy. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: And of course you've got the development of a digital
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  Speaker 3: idea at the same time that they're working on a
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  Speaker 3: central bank digital currency.
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  Speaker 2: A blind Freddie can see.
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  Speaker 3: You put those two things together and you get a
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  Speaker 3: situation where literally you are at the mercy of a
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  Speaker 3: bureaucratic whim who can cut you off immediately from all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of things, including your ability to spend or to
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  Speaker 3: use carbon. And we've already seen in justin Trudeau's Canada
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  Speaker 3: that they just shut down or froze people's bank accounts
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  Speaker 3: because they protested against government policies. So it's inch by inch,
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  Speaker 3: little by little, but there's enough people ringing alarm bells,
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  Speaker 3: and yet the government just keep pushing through.
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  Speaker 2: And the original.
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  Speaker 3: Legislation for the digital ID was rushed through the Senate
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  Speaker 3: with barely an opportunity for anyone to even speak to it,
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  Speaker 3: which should be another red flag that when the government
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  Speaker 3: won't allow any debate on an issue, they know that
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  Speaker 3: it's something that should raise objection.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the same as last week we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: a story.
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  Speaker 8: It was the International Airport at Abu Dhabi where they're
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  Speaker 8: going to introduce facial recognition that means you can move
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  Speaker 8: through the entire airport, through security, through your gate, etc.
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  Speaker 8: Without ever having to produce your passport or your visa documents, etc.
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  Speaker 8: Because all of that will already be collated and they'll
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  Speaker 8: be able to tell who you are by using a
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  Speaker 8: camera that scans your face and then suddenly has all
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  Speaker 8: of this information in front of you. And on the
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  Speaker 8: face of it, a lot of people will go that
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  Speaker 8: makes my life easier, and so they buy into that
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  Speaker 8: because it feels like it's a more convenient system. But
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  Speaker 8: every time you sell off a little bit of convenience,
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  Speaker 8: you're selling someone else your data. And as we always say,
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  Speaker 8: if the product is free, you are the product. You
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  Speaker 8: are the thing they are tracking because your data is
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  Speaker 8: so damn valuable. And while we're talking about craziness from government,
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  Speaker 8: let's go to local government.
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  Speaker 1: In Queensland. The Mayor Tom.
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  Speaker 8: Tate, the Mayor of the Gold Coast, that is Tom Tate,
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  Speaker 8: has been investigated by the Office of the Independent Assessor,
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  Speaker 8: which is sort of a governing body that looks over
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  Speaker 8: and assesses misbehavior within councils in Queensland, and has found
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  Speaker 8: that mister Tate committed misconduct. He was discriminatory by describing
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  Speaker 8: a new counselor as a ranger.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
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  Speaker 8: It's you can't call someone a ranger anymore. Now. All
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  Speaker 8: of this started from a post that was put online
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  Speaker 8: by John Paul Langbrook, who is an MP on the
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  Speaker 8: Sunshine Coast. He's a mate of this new councilor, Joe Wilkinson,
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  Speaker 8: and he was just pointing out that another ranger has
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  Speaker 8: been elected to the Gold Coast Council because he replaced
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  Speaker 8: another ranger who was the former councilor for that board,
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  Speaker 8: and then Tom Tait, the mayor, jumped on board and said,
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  Speaker 8: oh yeah, another ranger, so.
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  Speaker 1: And so so.
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  Speaker 8: He was then questioned about this at a press conference,
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  Speaker 8: where he again used the offending word ranger.
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  Speaker 9: Oh I don't know as a wranger, so what can
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  Speaker 9: I say? It doesn't matter diversity. Bob Lacastro ran. Bob
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  Speaker 9: Lacaster's opposition ran on diversity. In Bob's words, he was
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  Speaker 9: on stage, he goes diversity. I don't know if anyone
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  Speaker 9: noticed that he is black. So we've got diversity.
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  Speaker 10: Here, you know.
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  Speaker 9: I think Owen Jones, retired counselor, he was a ranger.
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  Speaker 9: You lose one rang again another ranger? What the hell?
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  Speaker 9: That's what the Gold Coast all about.
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  Speaker 8: Seriously, who could take issue with that? Lose one ranger,
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  Speaker 8: get another ranger.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was fine.
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  Speaker 8: And by the way, Tom Tator's evasion descends himself, so
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  Speaker 8: surely he has a free bass to say whatever the
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  Speaker 8: hell he likes about anyone. He certainly would have faced
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  Speaker 8: a lot more discrimination and racism in his life, particularly
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  Speaker 8: as a child growing up in Australia. You can imagine
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  Speaker 8: the slurs that would have been thrown at him. But
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  Speaker 8: he calls someone a ranger and the Office of the
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  Speaker 8: Independent Assessor has gone after him. They've now referred it
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  Speaker 8: to the Council and suggested that they discipline him. He
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  Speaker 8: has said that he will fight any action they try
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  Speaker 8: to take. And it's worth noting that the councilor Joe
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  Speaker 8: Wilkinson himself has said that he is a quote unquote
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  Speaker 8: proud ranger. He was never contacted by the Office of
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  Speaker 8: the Independent Assessor about this complaint. It was an anonymous
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  Speaker 8: complaint that someone else put in saying that the use
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  Speaker 8: of ranger is comparing redheaded people to a ranger. Tang's
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  Speaker 8: And we know the situation where a pub investigatory body
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  Speaker 8: in Queensland has spent public money looking into a mayor
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  Speaker 8: because he called someone a ranger and the ranger in
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  Speaker 8: question wasn't even offended.
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  Speaker 5: Do me a favor. This is the culture now.
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  Speaker 7: The person who's supposed to be offended doesn't even need
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  Speaker 7: to be offended. In fact, he wasn't even asked about it.
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  Speaker 7: But somebody else is up in arms about it, and
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  Speaker 7: once their day in court and we're now.
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, if I was a rate payer in the Gold Coast,
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  Speaker 5: I would be up in arms about this too.
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  Speaker 7: What kind of nonsense are you spending our dollars on?
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  Speaker 7: Thank you very much during acrost of living crisis. No less,
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  Speaker 7: we're supposed to be concerned about this.
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  Speaker 5: I'd love to.
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  Speaker 7: Hear from a coalition of rangers say, is this offensive?
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  Speaker 7: Do you find this offensive? I personally adore rangers. I
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  Speaker 7: literally cannot see a natural ranger in public without walking
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  Speaker 7: up to them and being like, you are a god
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  Speaker 7: among men. Sixteen year old finishing his slurpy at Machers
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  Speaker 7: with his mates being like thanks.
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  Speaker 5: Because I just think it's incredible.
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  Speaker 8: You're red headed mail and your fancy Liz storer.
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  Speaker 7: See this brilliant color of hair, and they're just like
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  Speaker 7: represent you can't miss them. I would be proud as
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  Speaker 7: heck to be a ranger. And that's exactly what the
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  Speaker 7: counselor in question has said.
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  Speaker 3: The big question for me on this story is are
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  Speaker 3: you still haing to call people like a copper top?
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  Speaker 2: Is that okay?
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  Speaker 8: Wellinger?
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  Speaker 3: The Office of Independent Assessor found that they found four things.
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  Speaker 3: Number One, ranger means a ranger team, so effectively, you're
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  Speaker 3: calling someone a monkey.
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  Speaker 7: I literally never put that together until tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Thank god we have the Office of Independent Assessor to
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  Speaker 3: make such decisions. Second, they found that the term ranger
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  Speaker 3: is associated with discriminatory feelings, so now they're ruling on
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  Speaker 3: the feelings of an anonymous person.
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  Speaker 2: Who we don't even know. If they were present when
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  Speaker 2: this was made, they certainly weren't offended.
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  Speaker 3: Third, they found that the use of the word in
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  Speaker 3: this context was not funny. So now the Independent Assessor
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  Speaker 3: are ruling on what is funny and what is not
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  Speaker 3: without even asking the person who was the subject of
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  Speaker 3: the word. So the other funny thing about this is
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  Speaker 3: the Independent Assessor found that in twenty twenty one. So
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  Speaker 3: they went back three years and found Tom Tait has
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  Speaker 3: previous form because three years ago he made a joke
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  Speaker 3: about Chinese people, saying you wouldn't want a cat near
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  Speaker 3: them because Chinese people might cats. He apologized for that,
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  Speaker 3: said it was inappropriate, but the Office of Independent Assessor said, ah,
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  Speaker 3: you've got form. You've been saying naughty things previously got through.
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  Speaker 8: His Asian man who made an Asian joke.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact that you said something three years ago
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  Speaker 3: or not influenced the independent assessor's decision.
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  Speaker 7: He doesn't even have a digital ida yet, and they're
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  Speaker 7: able to be like, there's that thing that he posted
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  Speaker 7: three years ago.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is just utterly this is the laughing stock.
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  Speaker 7: This is absolutely everyone in government at every level, state, local,
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  Speaker 7: and federal, should just be like, can you not do
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  Speaker 7: these things? Because it just makes us look more of
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  Speaker 7: a joke than we already do.
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  Speaker 3: The person who made the complaint should be charged with
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  Speaker 3: being a public nuisance and you should not be allowed
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  Speaker 3: to make anonymous complaints, especially like that about public officials,
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  Speaker 3: because essentially you put them through I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: many well, this complaint was made in April the press conference,
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  Speaker 3: so presumably it's been months that Tom Tait, who's supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be running one of the largest cities in the country,
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  Speaker 3: our tourist capital, he's been dealing with this rubbish. God
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  Speaker 3: knows how much money's been spent on it. Find the
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  Speaker 3: anonymous complainte and send them the invoice.
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  Speaker 8: You can't even call a ranger a ranger anymore. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 8: this is you're if you're the complainant and you're watching
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  Speaker 8: something for your ranger Ranger, Ranger, Ranger, Ranger, Ranger, right
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  Speaker 8: the way.
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  Speaker 7: There's no way the complainant watches sky. Let's be honest,
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  Speaker 7: if they were a skywatcher, they'd have far better things
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: to do with their time.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: To the US now, where Elon Musk has.
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: Had an interview with Donald Trump on his platform X.
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: This was literally a live phone conversation that everybody in
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: the world got to listen into.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: But it was a bit late going to air on.
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: X because they had a massive cyber attack against their servers.
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: Someone didn't want this conversation going live. Here's Elon Musk
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: explaining at the very beginning of the call why it
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: was a bit late.
• 18:42
  Speaker 11: Sorry, guys, We unfortunately had a massive distributed nail service
• 18:48
  Speaker 11: attack against our servers and saturated all of our deadlines.
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: As this massive attack illustrates a lot of opposition to
• 19:02
  Speaker 11: people just hearing what President Trump has to say.
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: The combined views and subsequent conversations following that phone conversation
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: that everyone could listen into already has over one billion
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: impressions on X, far reaching reach that obviously someone didn't
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: want these guys to have. Here's a reporter prior to
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: this conversation asking out the White House Press secretary.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: This conversation's going to take place.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: We're worried about misinformation, disinformation by two of the most
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: powerful men on earth.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: What are you guys going to do about it? Are
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: you going to go? Are you going to do anything
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: about this?
• 19:47
  Speaker 12: Elon Musk is slated to interview Donald Trump tomorrow tonight
• 19:51
  Speaker 12: on X. I don't know if the President's going today.
• 19:54
  Speaker 12: Feel free to say if he is or not. But
• 19:58
  Speaker 12: I think that misinformation on Twitter is not just a
• 20:03
  Speaker 12: campaign issue, It's an America issue. What role does the
• 20:08
  Speaker 12: White House or the President have and sort of stopping that,
• 20:12
  Speaker 12: or stopping the spread of that, or sort of intervening
• 20:17
  Speaker 12: in that.
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: You've heard us talk about this many times from here
• 20:19
  Speaker 13: about the responsibilities that social media platforms have.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: How scared are these people of a simple conversation between
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: two men that we can all listen into. I mean,
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: do me a favor. European Commissioner Terry Bretton literally took
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: to X prior to the conversation to warn everyone. He said,
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: with great audience comes greater responsibility, as there is a
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: risk of amplification of potentially harmful content in connection with
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: events with a major audience around the world. I sent
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: this letter to Elon Musk and there was this letter
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: the size of a Gutenberg Bible, expressing his concerns over
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: what may or may not be discussed during this conversation.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: Elon Musk quickly treated this meme from Tropic Thunder. He said,
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: this is what I really wanted to say. Back to
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: Terry Breton. You can read that for yourself. So Elon
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: Musk obviously is not taking any of this nonsense, and
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: thank goodness, these conversations are taking place. The reason why
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: Elon Musk wanted to have this conversation is he said,
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: you know, in all these interviews that people see with Trump,
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: and they're normally quite hostile interviews, you're not seeing the
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: real person. And given to me, he's a real person
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: that I have conversations with, not every day, but by the bye,
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: I want them to see that kind of Trump. And
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: how just talking for a couple of hours, which they did,
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: you see a different side of someone. And they talked
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: about a plethora of different of issues plaguing not just
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: America but the world. It was incredibly entertaining. Who wouldn't
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: want to be across that? And yet somebody, a great
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: many somebodies really wanted to shut this down because dialogue
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: is the enemy.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: If you're a lefty, you don't want dialogue.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: That's why deplatforming and cancel culture is their motto, because
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: they just can't stand for people to actually come across
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: as all actually quite reasonable.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: The crazy thing about this is we've been repeatedly told
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: now for years that Donald Trump is the threat to democracy,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: and you've got White House reporters saying, is the Biden
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: administration going to shut down the Republican nominee so that
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: nobody can hear him? And yet Trump, of course is
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the danger to democracy? And what about election interference when
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: you've got the European Commissioner warning Elon Musk, We're going
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: to be listening to what the Republican nominee says and
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: will take action against you if you don't stop him
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: from spreading disinformation.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: But I agree with you. It was nice to sit.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: And just hear a long conversation. And it was a
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I guess, a soft ball interview. It was a bit
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: of a mutual admiration society a conversation.
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: It was an interview.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: They were chatting.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other thing it highlighted is that while
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris hides away from the media and won't do
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: any interviews, Donald Trump's willing to sit there in front
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: of the entire world for two hours and free lance
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: on whatever they want to talk about. My favorite part
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: was at the beginning Caleb, where Elon Musk is having
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: a major fanboy moment and he's talking about how he
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: decided to endorse Donald Trump after he saw his courage
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: at the assassination attempt where Trump, having been shot in
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the air, stood to his feet and raised his fist,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: and Elon Musk is saying, I.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Was so inspired. How was it for you? And Donald
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Trump goes, well, it wasn't pleasant.
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: And this is what they're really worried about, is humanizing
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And we've played some clips.
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: Recently of a pro golfer who went out and played
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: around with him, and they filmed some clips of him
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: on the golf course. And it's seeing Trump away from
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: the rallies and away from the political campaigning and being
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: himself that they are scared of because people might look
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: and go, oh, actually, Donald Trump's not that bad of
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: a guy after all, And.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Certainly here in Australia.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: I don't know whether it's the same case in the US,
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: but certainly here in Australia we have a tendency to
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: look up to leaders who we can find relatable in
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: some sort of way.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It's why Bob.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: Hawke was so successful, because you could see a bit
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: of yourself in him. And what they're worried is that
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: people will look at Trump and go, actually, he's not
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: the megalomaniac that we've been told that he is. He's relatable,
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: he's a human at he can have a good conversation
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: and a laugh on whatever, and that they'll go, well, actually,
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: maybe I am willing to give him a go. Find
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: it so absurd that we talk about misinformation or disinformation
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: being spreading. For heaven's sake, if they're going to start
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: going after politicians for spreading misinformation or disinformation, there won't
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: be a single politician.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Left in the world.
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: But they will stop at nothing to try and to
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: stop Trump from having these opportunities. And this is what
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: they have been doing for the better part of a year,
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: all those stupid law fare cases, the trumped up stuff
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: about the hash money trial, on and on it goes, right,
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: and I don't know why they keep doing this kind
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: of stuff in this case and alleged de dos attack
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: to try and stop the interview from going ahead. Why
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: they keep doing this stuff because every time someone tries
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: to stop Donald Trump from either running or having his say,
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: it works in his favor because people look at it
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: and go, well, if they don't want me to hear
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: from him, then why don't they want.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Me to hear from him.
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: They keep shooting themselves in the foot with this kind
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: of attack.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: My other favorite part of the interview where he's talking
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: about meeting with Vladimir Putin and Trump warns Putin he
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: must not invade a Ukraine and or else Trump will
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: you know Rick Havoc? And Putin says no way, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Trump says way way, which is a high level diplomacy
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: right there. Trump also spoke about a channel to the
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: bit of Ronald Reagan, actually promising that if he's reelected,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: he will create an iron dome for the USA.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: One of the things we're going to do is we're
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: going to build an iron dome over us.
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: You know, Israel has it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: We're going to have the best iron dome in the world.
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: We need it, and we're going to make it all
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: in the United States.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: What's interesting about that is that it was in nineteen
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: eighty three that Ronald Reagan promised that he would build
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: They called it star Wars. We will shoot incoming missiles
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: down from out of space. Everybody mocked it, interestingly, including
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden at the time, said it was a stupid idea.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Thank god, the Israelis didn't listen to Joe Biden. They
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: actually successfully built an iron dome. It's worked well for them,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: and so it's interesting that Trump brings that idea back
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: with everything that's happening in the world right now. Biden Israel,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: it's an interesting idea and one that I think people
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: should support.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: Why wouldn't you, Well, Israel has a land mass of
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: just over twenty two thousand square kilometers. The US has
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: a land mass of over nine point eight million square kilometers.
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: I would love to And also the operation costs. The
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: building costs are huge, but the operation costs of the
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: iron dome, which obviously in Israel's case, is worth every
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: cent and then some are extortionate. For a single battery
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: that powers the iron dome, you're talking about one hundred
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: million dollars just in manufacturing costs, and for every missile
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: that they fire, it's tens of thousands of dollars for
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: all those incoming barrages that they get that the iron
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: dome then fires up and kills them in mid air.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: It's the most sophisticated piece of this missile weaponry on
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: the face of the earth.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Tats off to the Israelis. Who else could pull that off?
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: But I'm just not sure that this is fully ecosted
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: or fully.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: What are those things that Trump comes out with and
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: you're just like, buddy, really, I'm not sure.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Well, Reagan came out with it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: You've got two TV stars who became presidents who both
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: championing this idea.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: I reckon it's interesting, it is fantastical.
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, good luck to him, is all I
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: can say.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You should call it a nation building project. If you
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: call something a nation.
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: Building project, then you can get away with basically anything right.
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: Sticking in the US, Time magazine went to Kamala Harrison
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: asked her for an interview for an upcoming profile, and
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris said no, which he said to basically anyone
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: who's asked her for an interview. And I've been a
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: journalist for most of my working life, and generally the
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: rule has been that if if you ask someone for
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: an interview and they say no, you blackball them because
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: they have something to hide. If you don't want to
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: play the game with me, then why would I do
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: anything to support you. But Time magazine nevertheless has come
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: out with a gushing front page.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Take a look at this.
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: This is what they are putting out about Kamala even
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: though she won't even cooperate with them as being described.
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: And you can say, look at that image. They're oh,
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: she looks like Barack Obama. She's about to sweep in
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: and take over the US. I think the headline on
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: the front of the magazines is it's her time. I mean,
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: for Heaven's sake, you could not be more gushing, could you.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: And it's worth noting as well the comparison between Trump
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: and Harris when they have put both of them on
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: the front page. Take a look at this side by
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: side in you can see there what they are getting at.
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: And this has been round criticized. As you can imagine,
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: David Hogg, who's a gun control activist in the US,
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: is no elections come down to vibes, and Carmala has
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: got the vibes right now. And this is the point,
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: this is what they are driving towards. We talked before
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: about humanizing Donald Trump. What they are trying to do
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: here is humanize Kamala Harris in a certain way and
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: lord her because anyone who's actually watched her recognizes that
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: she's a bit loco.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, if we build her up enough, if we.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: Build her up, surely she'll be able to get over
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: the line.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Others have carried on.
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: Joey Mannarino on Twitter said, here's the new cover of
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: Time magazine. They worship a woman, as I said before,
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: who refuses to even talk to them. Absolutely ridiculous and absurd.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: And this is the thing.
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: I cannot think of any other politician, candidate, etc. Who
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: could so roundly ignore the media and yet still get
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: the complete support of the media. Generally, if you go
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: for an interview with someone and they refuse, like it's
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: full court press against them, You've given them the opportunity
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: to have their say. They've refused to have their say, Well,
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: we're coming for you now, but instead for Kamala it's
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: a protection racket.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I remember many years ago, someone gave me a twelve
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: month subscription to Time magazine, and I was so excited.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: These days you could not pay me to read Time Magazine,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: although because we were talking about it tonight, I.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Guess I was paid to read it, and I did.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: So you don't have to a three thousand word essay
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: which could basically be summarized as vibe, TikTok, and vibe.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: They described Kamala Harris's a cross between Beyonce and Obama,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: and they said, and I quote, she's pulled off the
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: swiftest vibe shift in modern political history, because politics is
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: all about vibe shifts. They said, she's dominated TikTok and
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: she's campaigning in a fight for the future, without describing
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: what that meant. But they did say also, she was
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: a quote Jedi master who's been underestimated. But when people
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: underestimated her, they didn't count.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: On get this Liz.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Her ability to create viral memes and to eye roll
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: at Republican weirdows.
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: Wow.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: They said.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: She's been endorsed by celebrities such as Charlie XCX Who's that?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And Megan the Stallion.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I had to ask my nineteen year old boys who
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: are these people? They also said a union leader has
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: called her, quote a bad ass woman, which raging endorsement.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: I didn't know. John Secret endorsed to Kamala has Let me.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Give you a few more highlights.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: They said, elections come down to vibes, and Kamala has
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: got the vibes right now.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: And the Time magazine three thousand words.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: It finished with a thirty nine year old woman interviewed
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: to make the final comic. This is where they land
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: right and they interview this woman, which is they found her.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: She was wearing a childless cat Ladies for Harris t
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: shirt which qualifies her to speak, and she said, quote,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the whole vibe has just shifted political I read it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: I think political analyst Rob Smith put it well when
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: he said, in three weeks, the US regime propaganda media
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: transformed Kamala Harris from a national embarrassment to an iconic
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: and transformational politician while not even pretending to know or
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: care what she believes.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Absolutely incredible.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: The White House Press Secretary asked by a reporter to
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: just name some of Kamala Harris's achievements.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Do you think the Press secretary could do it?
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: What does the President see as the vice president's biggest.
• 33:35
  Speaker 15: Achievement during their time in pat office together.
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: So look, because they've been partners, those achievements have been done. Certainly,
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: those historic unpresident achievement have been done together. I'll say this,
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: the President believes in the vice president leadership, her temperament,
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: her experience, and he is and he has said this himself.
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: One of the proudest decisions that he made in twenty
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: twenty was selecting her as vice because he believed that
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: she can go on day one and you've seen that.
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: You've seen them do that together on day one of
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: this administration. That doesn't change. I'm not going to parse
• 34:12
  Speaker 13: out anything from here.
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: Of course, she couldn't name any good yea because there
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: are none. Kamala Harris has been touted as the most
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: useless VP in the world in the history of American politics.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: She's wildly unpopular. But it just goes to show.
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: Once the media machine kicks in, everyone just gets on board.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: That's what they do best.
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: And haven't they done a number on a lot of
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: people in America. But to a very unusual staous We've
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: now got our former Prime Minister Paul Keating in a
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: stoush with Speaker of the House Nancy.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Polosi over what you ask. Well, he had this to.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Say regarding Taiwan the other day, the A B. C.
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: You can probably pick up on where he put a
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: foot wrong.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: What this is.
• 35:06
  Speaker 15: All about is the Chinese laying claim to Taiwan, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 15: the Americans are going to say, no, no, we're going
• 35:14
  Speaker 15: to keep these taib when these people are protected even
• 35:17
  Speaker 15: though they've got they're sitting on Chinese real estate. The
• 35:20
  Speaker 15: Chinese real estate is part.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Of China, is part of Chinese.
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: Say so, Taiwan is not a democracy standing alone. No, No, Well,
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: Nancy Pelosi wasn't taking a.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Bit of it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 14: That's ridiculous. It is not Chinese real estate, and he
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: should know that Taiwan is Taiwan and it's of the
• 35:43
  Speaker 14: people of Taiwan who have a democracy there. I think
• 35:47
  Speaker 14: that was a stupid statement with or I have no
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: idea about Keating, but I think it was a stupid
• 35:53
  Speaker 14: statement to make. And I don't know what his connection
• 35:57
  Speaker 14: is to China that he would say such a thing,
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: but it is really not in the security interest of
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: the Asian Pacific region. For people to talk that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: Way must be a very cold day in Hell.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: We're agreeing with Nancy Pelosi.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: Somebody helped me out, but Paul Keating wasn't taking her
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: rebuke sitting down. He then puts out a statement saying.
• 36:20
  Speaker 16: This from the former leader of the US House of Representatives,
• 36:24
  Speaker 16: who went in a regulously indulgent visit to Taiwan in
• 36:27
  Speaker 16: twenty two, very nearly brought the United States and China
• 36:31
  Speaker 16: to a military confrontation for the first time since the
• 36:34
  Speaker 16: Second World War.
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: Both our countries believe it is in no one's interest
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  Speaker 7: for Taiwan to be subject of some sort of violent takeover.
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  Speaker 5: That said, I make this clear in public comment.
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  Speaker 7: I represent the national interests of Australia, not the national
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  Speaker 7: interests of the US, nor indeed the interests of Taiwan.
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  Speaker 5: Are you sure you're not talking.
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  Speaker 7: About representing the national interests of China?
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  Speaker 8: Wells statements, Sir Pelosi says the you know, I don't
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  Speaker 8: know what connection that Keating might have to China that
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  Speaker 8: would lead him to make these comments. He's he's spent
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  Speaker 8: thirteen years on the China Development Bank, which is wholly
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  Speaker 8: owned by the CCP, so you know, maybe he did
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  Speaker 8: have a connection to China that would lead him to
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  Speaker 8: make these comments, and the fact that he continues to
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: make these comments even he's not on the payroll anymore,
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: but he continues to shill for China. He says, it's
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: in the interests of Australia. Mate, have you not realized
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  Speaker 8: that we're in the Pacific region and that if China
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  Speaker 8: advances on Taiwan, we are going to be dragged into
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  Speaker 8: war and it emboldens China to come for other Pacific
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  Speaker 8: nations that surround us. The bloke's gone mad.
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  Speaker 3: I just thought in a fight between Paul Keating and
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi, it's a shame that there has to be
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: a winner.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to go to a break.
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  Speaker 3: When we come back, we look at what's making news
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  Speaker 3: in tomorrow's papers, including bad news for parents the nap
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  Speaker 3: Plan results.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about that in the moment. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
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  Speaker 3: Will start with the latest nap Plan results that are
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  Speaker 3: being reported across most of tomorrow's papers. The Adelaide Advertiser
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  Speaker 3: has a great headline nap Plan fail upper case commas
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  Speaker 3: bamboos or kids can't use grammar reads The headline students
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  Speaker 3: reading skills have gone backwards, with Napplan testing showing they
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: are also struggling with basic grammar such as the proper
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: use of commas and capital letters. The results don't make
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: for good reading. Four hundred thousand children, according to the
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: latest results in grades three, five, seven, and nine need
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  Speaker 3: catch up tutoring, with a third of them classified as developing,
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  Speaker 3: which is a nice way of saying they haven't yet
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  Speaker 3: reached minimum standards, So a third of children in grades three, five, seven,
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  Speaker 3: and nine. The results find that boys are twice as
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: likely as girls to start high school with being functionally illiterate,
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  Speaker 3: and ninety percent of Indigenous kids. Here's the key living
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  Speaker 3: in remote communities. So it's not ninety percent of indigenous kids,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: but those in remote communities failed to reach minimum standards.
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  Speaker 3: So Jason Clair, the Education Minister, is going to use
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: this as a stick to demand that schools, in return
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  Speaker 3: for funding, get back to teaching phonics, get back to
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: having regular tests for maths, which might be a good idea,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: and what they're calling results based education making idea is revelatory.
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  Speaker 7: This reminded me of part of the conversation that Donald
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  Speaker 7: Trump had with Elon Musk was regarding education, and he
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: was laying into the fact that they're ranked.
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  Speaker 5: Thirty ninth in the world.
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  Speaker 7: This is the United States of America, ranked thirty ninth
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  Speaker 7: in the world, and they spend more per student than
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  Speaker 7: any country in the world. And I think we have
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: a similar situation and here in Australia, because we've never
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  Speaker 7: spent more on education than we do today. We have
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: thrown more and more money on it year in year
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: out because the results just.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: Keep getting worse and worse.
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  Speaker 7: We've talked about the fact that kids leaving year twelve
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: have not got proper sweat, spelling or grammar. They're still
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: all thumbs when it comes to the basics. We keep
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: throwing more money at it. Nothing seems to be changing.
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: And Trump was talking about the fact that he wants
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: to give education back to the States, so then it
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: would create more of a competition between the states who's
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: educating their children better.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: When we talk about this stuff, we are.
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: Literally talking about the future of our country. These kids
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: are our future leaders and they're not being educated properly.
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: And I think it's not just simple things like going
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: back to phonetics.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, thank you very much.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: That is very necessary, but education across the board has
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: gone downhill year in and year out. Aren't being educated properly.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: Parents are putting their trust in the state, and the
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: state just keeps failing.
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  Speaker 8: There's no funding issue. There is a curriculum and mechanics issue,
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: a teaching issue, at content issue, and for years and years,
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  Speaker 8: at the behest of the AEU, the Teachers' Union, we've
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: thrown more and more money at it, and all you
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: end up with is a more expensive, failing system.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's the same system we had before.
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: It just costs a lot more than it used to cost.
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  Speaker 8: And I mean, you've got kids now at school, young
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: kids who can't read and write, but they can tell
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: you what a welcome to country is and that they
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: live on stolen land, like they're learning this stuff before
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  Speaker 8: they learn the basics of reading and write and adding
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: up and multiplication, etc. And all of this business about
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: them not knowing how to use correct grammar and they
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: don't get capital letters and apostrophes, etc. It's because of.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: This online trend.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't know some of you may have seen
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: it online. I don't know why it started or where
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: it came from, but it's a real thing. Online now
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  Speaker 8: to not use capital letters at the beginning of a sentence.
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: There are no proper nouns. You don't use apostrophes, commas, etc.
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  Speaker 8: It's all just sort of some blomonge of language. Which
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: is the greatest argument. Get your kids off the internet,
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: take the devices away, put a book in front of them,
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: send them out to play with their friends and their
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: brothers and sisters and learn things in real life instead
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: of relying on online all the time. It is poisoning
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: the minds of these children. And by the way, if
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: you try to teach your kid to read and write
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: before they go to school and they rock up to
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: school with some ability, the teachers get shirty about it
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: because they've got kids that can't that they then need
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: to teach, and they also have to deal with these
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: kids that also have ability already. The whole thing is obsud.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: That was the issue that we had.
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: We were homeschooled for three years because we were living
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: in country Victoria, a little town called Kayabram shout Out.
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: And when my mum decided we moved to Perth and
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: mom decided I'll send them back to school. The school
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: didn't know what to do with us because we were
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: leagues ahead of the kids in our age group, especially
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: when it came to English, not so much algebra.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: That was on suit. But yeah, that's that's a real issue.
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: So you do the right things by your kids, say,
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: you do have them reading books and so they learn
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: where apostrophes go because books are well written, so they
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: understand apostrophes here, commas there, this is what starts with
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: a capital. And then they go to school and the
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: teachers are like, well, don't have any time for you, guys,
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: because I've got to spend it all on the ones.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: That are way behind.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: It's an unfair system. To the front page of.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: The CANS Post.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: Now team CANS thirty thousand dollars retreat councilors bond at
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: luxury beaches resort. Get this, rape payers, rate payers have
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: forked out thirty thousand dollars for CANS counselors to attend
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: a two a team building event at a five star
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: resort on the Northern Beaches where they developed a quote
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  Speaker 7: refreshed vision end quote.
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  Speaker 5: For the region. Are you kidding me? I was a
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: city counselor.
• 44:14
  Speaker 16: We never went on retreats, much less at five star resorts.
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: But maybe they would argue that they need to be
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: refreshed in order to come up with a refreshed vision.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I thought the.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Election campaign, you give your vision, what do you need
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: to then go.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Away at a taxpayer or rate payer expense.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: There's nine councilors in can so at thirty grand. If
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: my naplan tests served me well, it's about three three
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars per counselor for a two day.
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: Retreat to be jolly refreshed, drifreshed. We're expecting an incredible
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: vision for cans.
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: I dare say at that cost they were well refreshed
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: because they consumed quite a few refreshments during that retreat.
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: We must be up to reason seven, four hundred and
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: eighty nine now to abolish councils. They keep mounting. Let's
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: go to the Canberra Times. Where can you believe they're
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: looking for Canberra's next top model. A modeling agency is
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: searching for Andrew Barr lookalikes. He's the Chief Minister of
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: the Act for what are assumed to be Liberal Party
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: attack ads before the Act election. The Chief Minister called
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: the search weird and creepy. The modeling agency says we're
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: doing an open casting for Andrew bar lookalike for a
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: political ad campaign. If you know someone who looks similar,
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: please have them email. Clear images, no sunglasses or hats
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: to be worn now, James, I reckon, if you go
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: to macas every day for the next five weeks, you
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: may actually be able to size up for this job.
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: If you just sort of beef up in the face
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: a bit. You've got the stubble, you've got the sort
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: of thin hair on top. I reckon you could be
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: perfect for this. I'm just trying to talk you up, Jane.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Next you be calling me a ranger and I'll be
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: making an anonymous complaint to HR about you. What made
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: me laugh about this is they've described the search as
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: weird and creepy, channeling a little bit of the Kamala
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Harris campaign there into the actam have.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: These guys not heard of? AI? You can get it
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: for free. You can make Andrew ba say whatever you like.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: Just get a nap. It's on your phone.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Come on, all right, we're going to go to a break.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: When we come back.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: The Dublin Zoo teaching its orangutang to look after its young,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: employing thirty women to help in the process.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in a month. Welcome back, all right.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: The Dublin Zoo lives they had a problem with their
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: orangutang and came up with a unique way to solve
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: the point.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: They did so.
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: This particular orangutang had given birth to a baby in
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: twenty nineteen and twenty twenty two, but both those infant
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: orangutangs had died because she seemed to have a problem
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: with her maternal instincts. So Dublin Zoo came up with
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: a roster of thirty women thirty mothers to take turns
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: coming into the zoo and showing this rangutang how to breastfeed.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: Check it out.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Wep, No, we.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Don't have any footage of that.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: Maybe it was a bit too you know, to late
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: night TV to show you.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: That steman from the zoo, said Madure, who is.
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: The orangutang was extremely interested in watching the women feed
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: their babies through the glass, even mirroring some of their actions.
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: Lizzie Reeves, who was a lactation specialist who got involved
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: with this, was quoted as saying, a lot of women said, look,
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: and orangutang doesn't wear a T shirt, So they whipped
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: off their t shirts and their bras, so Madure could.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: Literally see everything.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: Norah Murphy, who was a first time mother taking part
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: in this training exercise with Madure, said, you are going
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: from being a mother yourself to trying to help a
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: mother to be. You would be talking to her saying, look,
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: this is what you are meant to do.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: What our heartwarming.
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: Trying to show madere look when your baby rides, this
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: is how it's done.
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: The bit of the story you left out, though, Liz,
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: was that this orangutang was refusing to breastfeed because someone
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: had called it a ranger and so it had made
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: it to the public contempt. But before we leave you tonight,
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: you might have heard that the Federal government's religious discrimination
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: bill is dead, and that I say good. But the
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: reason for it, apparently is social cohesion.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: We provided.
• 48:34
  Speaker 10: Legislation to the coalition a long time ago, now months ago.
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: One of the things I've spoken about is the need
• 48:46
  Speaker 10: for greater social cohesion. And the last thing that Australia
• 48:50
  Speaker 10: needs is any devisive debate relating to religion and people's faith.
• 49:00
  Speaker 10: Agreement hasn't been able to be reached because there's been
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: no suggestions from the Coalition of amendments.
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: And we know the Prime Minister does not like divisive
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: debate because of course the Voice succeeded.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Didn't it.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Well, the last thing we need is a fight to
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: protect the rights of Christians.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Gee, that would be a terrible debate.
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: By definition is divisive because you need to have two
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: opinions like in order to That's the whole idea of
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: the public square.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's it from us, stick around. Coming right up
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  Speaker 2: is the Reade pendenty Show.