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Friday the 13th with Jen Saunderson · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: tightened up the choo Choo train. And now we're free
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Speaker 1: to talk about what we wanted to talk about the
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Speaker 1: whole time, which is gender politics on the polar experience.
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Speaker 1: There's gotta be If that essay doesn't exist, I will
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Speaker 1: write it. Yeah, please, Yeah. What was the role of
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Speaker 1: women on the pullars? I don't remember. I remember there
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Speaker 1: was a scary looking little girl. I didn't see a
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Speaker 1: little scary looking little boy. I only I read the
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Speaker 1: book as a kid, but I've never seen the movie.
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Speaker 1: It's basically a horror movie. Means like, it's the scariest
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Speaker 1: movie ever. Take a great transition into we're not at all.
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Speaker 1: Good job on purpose. I haven't slept in like two days. Um,
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Speaker 1: I have brag. Okay, let's introduce our guests, choo Choo.
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Speaker 1: Let's do it. I guess she's The host of the
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Speaker 1: filling is mutual on I f C and she's a
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Speaker 1: comedian Jen Sanderson. Hello, Hi, welcome, thanks for being here,
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I was trying not to crack up, like,
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Speaker 1: don't ruin it. That is so much kinder than most
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Speaker 1: of our guests I've ever done. We've been We've been
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Speaker 1: yelled at mid intro before we've been around. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: being considerate. That's what ladies do. What a horrible stereotype.
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Speaker 1: Don't let's start a podcast about that. Not all men yell.
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Speaker 1: So we're talking about Friday the thirteen, the first one
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Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty. I wasn't sure if I could do it,
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Speaker 1: but it's actually very easy to do easier. Um, Jen,
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Speaker 1: when did you first see the movie? What's your history
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Speaker 1: and your relationship with the movie. I must have seen
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Speaker 1: this movie probably like junior year of high school. There
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Speaker 1: was a group of friends, um that I had that
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Speaker 1: That's all we did was watch horror movies for a
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Speaker 1: whole summer. Because you're a big horror fam I love
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Speaker 1: horror movies. That's that's why we're here today. She just
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Speaker 1: come on, I hate horror movies. I'm really glad I
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Speaker 1: get this platform. It's horrible. We should all watch The
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Speaker 1: Hour of Power with Dr Robert Schuler. Okay, what's that?
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Speaker 1: Don't church basically like around San Diego? Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: Like it's in California somewhere I used to watch as
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Speaker 1: a kid. Don't do that. Let's watch Yeah, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about horror movies instead. So you've been in a horror
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Speaker 1: movies your whole life, well, I would say, I would
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Speaker 1: say going into high school, I was a bit of
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Speaker 1: a whimp as a Like the first time I ever
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Speaker 1: saw a Radar movie was Predator, and I got so
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Speaker 1: scared and to leave the room. I want to get
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Speaker 1: away from my family, to go to the bathroom, to
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Speaker 1: take a shower for the night. I was so scared
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Speaker 1: that Predator was going to come and get me. And
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Speaker 1: then I was super scared of Bloody Mary, Like I
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Speaker 1: still don't watch candy Man. And I've said those names
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Speaker 1: once and that's it there. I am also afraid of her.
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Speaker 1: I'm afraid of my own I thought you're talking about
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Speaker 1: the movie her, and I was like, pants are scary there?
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Speaker 1: Good outfit, good outfit on the poster. I forget that's
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Speaker 1: the one where he kisses his phoney boring. That's the
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Speaker 1: one where he tongues his he gets a little shock
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Speaker 1: and his tongue because he sticks is anyways, So yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: I I was, and I had never seen a movie
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Speaker 1: with the b M character. I just heard about it
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Speaker 1: second hand from my cousins. And there was like a
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Speaker 1: night my my cousin, Tammy, lives in a three year
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Speaker 1: old house, and it was yeah, and like legitimately a
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Speaker 1: haunted house, like I keep believing that ship. But she
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Speaker 1: also like the in the closet in her room there
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Speaker 1: were these like claw mars because someone had been locked
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Speaker 1: in there once and it was this this in Brockton, Massachusetts.
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Speaker 1: It's like some New England spooky stuff, some like old
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Speaker 1: school eighteen hundreds New England's Spookfest. So it was it
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Speaker 1: was scary. We we would watch horror movies there and
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Speaker 1: that really made me not like horror movies until I
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Speaker 1: was in college, so I liked doing them. But then
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Speaker 1: when I saw the Ring at that house, that sucked
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Speaker 1: me up for like a full year. Did you see
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Speaker 1: the original ring or did you see the Ring first?
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Speaker 1: So I saw that I saw the ring with the
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Speaker 1: that I and I saw the well once the well
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Speaker 1: the like tomorrow well is like an hour outside of
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Speaker 1: here in the said state college. Yeah, and I always
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Speaker 1: like when I watch a horror movie to distance myself
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Speaker 1: from where they are. I'm like, yeah, dairy, I'm never
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Speaker 1: going to dairy where all the Stephen King moves books
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Speaker 1: and movies are, right. Yeah, And then um when the
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Speaker 1: Ring came out, was like son of a bitch because
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Speaker 1: they filmed a lot of aerials from the island I
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Speaker 1: grew up on and on would be island in Washington State.
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Speaker 1: It was like, don't go there. No, that's a safe place. See.
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Speaker 1: My my mom had a rule that we couldn't watch
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Speaker 1: Stephen King movies when I was young because my grandma
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Speaker 1: lived in the same town as Stephen King. And so
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Speaker 1: she was like, you will hate vacation. If you see
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Speaker 1: these movies, you may not see And so I still
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Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of them. Did you ever do
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Speaker 1: the b ms to the mirror? Did you ever? My
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Speaker 1: dad locked me in the or in the bathroom once
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Speaker 1: and he did that to me. Yeah, because over you,
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Speaker 1: I must have been eleven or ten. That is the
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Speaker 1: worst time to do that. Yeah, Well he's not much
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Speaker 1: older than me because he's my stepdad and my mom
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Speaker 1: was really young, so like a big rather. It was
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Speaker 1: just like you don't want to take a shower. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to show you doesn't exist. And I'm
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Speaker 1: here going why no no? Yeah, so that's a Horrif
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Speaker 1: did anything happen, I'll go into the bathroom right now,
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Speaker 1: Bloody Mary, Mary, with you tempting fake? This is how
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Speaker 1: horror movie started. You were dead for no, I'm dying.
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Speaker 1: I'm the final girl. You don't be I don't grow
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Speaker 1: when you just when does the narget to the woods?
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Speaker 1: That do? I do the curb cross the book. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: What I did was as bad as you guys saying
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Speaker 1: BM over. Okay, well you know what, that's just a
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Speaker 1: safety precaution. I feel like we should take a break
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Speaker 1: at Kate. Let's go downstairs and turn the lights off,
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Speaker 1: and then we'll see what. Really I'll fight her she
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Speaker 1: shows up, I'll punch her. She were natural. The thing
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Speaker 1: is like, I don't know anything about her. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what she's supposed to look like. I just know
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Speaker 1: that she was coming for me. And then I was
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Speaker 1: the youngest, so I was the one who had to
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Speaker 1: do it. I was volunteered his tribute. I didn't like it.
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Speaker 1: You're the Cadnus Everden b m so gent so be there.
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Speaker 1: They're back to Friend of the Thirteen there. So there's
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Speaker 1: like a bunch of them. Have you seen them all?
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Speaker 1: I have not seen them all because I have better
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Speaker 1: uses of my time and I want to watch other
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Speaker 1: good horror movies. Because there's one where he goes to Manhattan.
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Speaker 1: There's one where he goes to space. Yeah, the space,
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Speaker 1: when I just can't, are you sure this isn't the Muppets?
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Speaker 1: Frand so he goes into space because I watched a
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Speaker 1: video of all of them because it's like, well, I'm
11:39
Speaker 1: I know we're going to talk about it. And he
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Speaker 1: apparently merges with a cyborg or something and ant and
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Speaker 1: just flickered. Oh it's bloody, Mary. Stop saying the b
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Speaker 1: to the m the flesh. I can't here. You guys
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Speaker 1: are talking about ships I'm talking about clearly is clearly code.
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Speaker 1: It is clearly code. We're not being cute about it.
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Speaker 1: It's a safety PC. It's it's based off of Mary,
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Speaker 1: Queen of Scott's who got her head chopped off. That's
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Speaker 1: what the that's what I figured it was maybe like
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Speaker 1: a virgin Mary thing, but I don't know. She's she's
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Speaker 1: horny and furious. Jamie, when did you first see Friday
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Speaker 1: the thirteen today? Yeahs as is the answer to every
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Speaker 1: every time? About three hours ago. I had never seen
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Speaker 1: it either. I saw it for the first time a
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Speaker 1: few days ago, and then I watched the first four
12:39
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Jason four. Yeah, whoa Because I
12:43
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Jason four, he's forgot to be in
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Speaker 1: his own movie. I better watch it until he shows up.
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Speaker 1: Four movies. No, but you don't see him in his
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Speaker 1: like iconic hockey mask until halfway through the third movie.
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Speaker 1: He's hockey. I wasn't sure I was mixing because I
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Speaker 1: was first. Are mixing him up with Freddie for a
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Speaker 1: little while? Yeah, No, that's Freddy Who's Nightmare on Elm Street, right,
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Speaker 1: And I have seen that one a couple of different times.
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Speaker 1: I like that one a lot. And there is Freddy
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Speaker 1: versus Jason right right right? Okay, so he's he's goalie
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Speaker 1: mask hockey goalie. Yeah, he's a hockey goalie. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to send you to a bathroom hockey hockey goalie. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to start I'm a couple of hockey goalies are
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Speaker 1: very I I have a great report with the hockey goalie.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Like not to brag, I had
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Speaker 1: a favorite goalie when I was little. His name was Poopa.
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Speaker 1: That was why he was my Boston Bruins. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I had a trading card of him, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: now you'd say poop when everyone you guys are saying
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Speaker 1: b M over and over again, so as we can
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Speaker 1: say poop whenever we want. That's gonna also say bloody Mary,
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Speaker 1: Bloody Mary, bloody Mary. Can you cannot do that? She's
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Speaker 1: a dementoid. Let me do the reecondo saying that three
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Speaker 1: times and then saying let's get back on track. I'm
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Speaker 1: just going to bring up your scary childhood stuff, Candy Man.
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Speaker 1: Will I said it twice. I'm not going to say
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Speaker 1: the third time, but I will go to town on
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Speaker 1: saying beetle Juice. Beetle Juice is literally out front from
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Speaker 1: beetle Juices, literally out front icon beetle Juices. She constructed him.
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Speaker 1: Check out our Beetle Juice episode coming out wild. OK,
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Speaker 1: it's about what he piques up everyone. Well, not to spoil.
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Speaker 1: He assaults every woman in the movie. You watched that
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Speaker 1: movie and you're like, why was I allowed to watch
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Speaker 1: this as a child. So Beetle Juice is like at
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Speaker 1: there's a Beetle Juice mannequin at the front. There's been
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Speaker 1: beetle Juices popping up right and left in my life. Recently,
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Speaker 1: there was a Beetle Juice pop up bar in Manhattan
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Speaker 1: that our guest on Beetle Juice went to because he
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Speaker 1: was in such a beetle Juice mode. Single juice so
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Speaker 1: many times you're sending already sending him away and he's like,
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Speaker 1: do you think he no beal juice there? I used
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Speaker 1: to watch that cartoon all the time, totally forgetting about
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Speaker 1: the movie, forgot about the curtain. I mean it sounds
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Speaker 1: like the cartoon Beetle Juice is a way more sympathetic. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's a lot more chill because it was a Saturday
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Speaker 1: morning cartoon. He was like, Hey, LOODI I'm gonna I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna marry you and knock you up. He wasn't like that.
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Speaker 1: It was just, um, your friend, I'm helping you at school.
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Speaker 1: All female reboot of Beetlejuice feminist icon. Hey, let me
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Speaker 1: do that recap, which which Beetle Just do you want
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Speaker 1: to watch real Beetle Juice or Girl Girl Beetle Juice.
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Speaker 1: Girl girlbly Juice is going to be a really landmark
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Speaker 1: role for someone. Do you think Girl Bele Juice would
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Speaker 1: wear like juicy couture, like juicy but pants? Oh god,
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Speaker 1: there'd have to be some sort of I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I I'm on board for that. Yeah, Girl Beetlejuice, Lady
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Speaker 1: Beetlejuice would wear. Woman Woman Beetle Juice w w B
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Speaker 1: would definitely wear a striped jumpsuit with suspenders. But don't
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Speaker 1: skimp on the scabs when we're making our all famom,
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Speaker 1: I want just as many scams back into the scab discussion. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the recap to Friday the thirteen next
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Speaker 1: week for scab. So Friday the thirteen is about this
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Speaker 1: group of mostly teens who are counselors at a camp.
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Speaker 1: Are they supposed to be teens? I think? Because teens?
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Speaker 1: And then the one guy who's always just topless trying
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Speaker 1: to fix up this camp. What's a very weird topless?
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Speaker 1: Like I wrote down Creative male toplessness in this movie.
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Speaker 1: So that's topless but suspenders. Yeah, that was uncomfortable. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: they all arrive at this camp camp what is it called,
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Speaker 1: Camp Crystal Lake? Camp? Crystal Lake Camp Crystal Light a
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Speaker 1: white strawberry lemonade camp sponsored camps like a NASCAR race totally.
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Speaker 1: So they show up to this camp that everyone in
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Speaker 1: town is like, oh, Camp Blood, what are you doing
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Speaker 1: that for? What do you open that backup? Which, let's
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Speaker 1: be honest, very uncreative name for camp where someone died once, right,
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Speaker 1: Which is crazy is that the original name was supposed
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Speaker 1: to be A Long Night at Camp Blood was the
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Speaker 1: original name of the title of the movie. Oh god,
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Speaker 1: that's way more b movie than Yeah. Interesting. So they
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Speaker 1: show up to this camp and everyone's like, oh, it's spooky.
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Speaker 1: There's a crazy guy in town named Ralph. And they're
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Speaker 1: like people die there, and everyone's like, oh, he was fun.
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Speaker 1: He was a fun guy. And then people art to die,
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Speaker 1: people start to get murdered. We're like, who's doing this?
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Speaker 1: We don't know, and one by one, first it's Bacon
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Speaker 1: bag Baby, Kevin Bacon. Oh, just for everyone keeping score
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Speaker 1: Bacon hot in this movie. Bacon hot, so hot that
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Speaker 1: I didn't bacon on the grill, because do you put
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Speaker 1: bacon on a grill? You don't tape a Sorry, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. It's like a skillet. You can do it. Everyone,
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Speaker 1: You're you're a You're a grown ass female beetle juice.
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Speaker 1: You can do what ever you want whatever. I'm a
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Speaker 1: grown beetle juice. W w B. So Annie, Marcy, Brenda
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Speaker 1: Alice are the ladies in the movie, and uh Annie
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Speaker 1: dies first, she's she doesn't need it to meet the
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Speaker 1: other kids. She I honestly did not miss her one bit,
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Speaker 1: like she was a bit obnoxious. I was excited that
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Speaker 1: she was killed off pretty early because there was this
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Speaker 1: was my dream you guys, cam kunselor. I was like,
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Speaker 1: grow up, how old are you? Then she like her
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Speaker 1: first scene she like is like, dude, dude, to do
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Speaker 1: let me ask a dog a question was like fuck
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Speaker 1: you English, Hey, do you know where it camp? Blood is? No? Okay?
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Speaker 1: And then I thought of the room, Bye bye, doggie, Doggie.
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Speaker 1: Can we just address the fact that there's a creepy
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Speaker 1: man saying, hey, are all the counselors? Is pretty easy
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Speaker 1: and he touches her, touches her like dude, warning stranger, danger,
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Speaker 1: get out of there. She Annie was not raised. Well,
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Speaker 1: she's a very naive. There's an old man hoisting her
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Speaker 1: via her ass into his pickup truck and she's like,
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Speaker 1: so what about camp. It's like, yikes, Annie, not to
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Speaker 1: victim blame, but you are ignoring a lot of red flags.
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Speaker 1: And she speaking of red flags. If you're gonna run
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Speaker 1: in the woods because you're scared of somebody, take off
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Speaker 1: the red hoodie. It's just a big beacon of hey here,
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Speaker 1: I am like, just running in the woods, maybe you'll
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Speaker 1: find me, giant red hoodie. Very elliott of her. And
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Speaker 1: she didn't even know that anyways. So yeah, they they
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Speaker 1: start dying. Uh. And there's also there's Jack Kevin Bacon's character.
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Speaker 1: There's a dude named Ned and Bill uh. And then
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Speaker 1: Steve Christie is the camp the main camp man, kind
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Speaker 1: of older guy. Yeahs, I was. I was struggling to
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Speaker 1: I was trying to put myself in the era. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: am I supposed to think he's hot? And I did
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Speaker 1: never really reached the conclusion because he was killed off
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Speaker 1: a little bit too easily for me. I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he so he wasn't that hot, But but there was
20:41
Speaker 1: you know, because like I was like, he's lived long
20:43
Speaker 1: enough that I feel like I should be attracted to him.
20:47
Speaker 1: But the whole time I was just like trying to
20:49
Speaker 1: view it as as like a scholar. He's also like
20:52
Speaker 1: actively hitting on a teen girl, but he's all weird
20:55
Speaker 1: with Alice. He's like, yeah, but the ages are so
20:58
Speaker 1: unclear to me, because it's like these these large bangs
21:02
Speaker 1: just obscure your age entirely. I'm I had no idea
21:04
Speaker 1: how old these people are. Everyone has the same hairstyle.
21:08
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone's name in this movie, male or female.
21:11
Speaker 1: I just struggled to remember people's names because I was like, oh,
21:15
Speaker 1: it's the one with bangs. They all have bangs. You
21:20
Speaker 1: can't kill me. I have bang, lots of bangs, lots
21:22
Speaker 1: of beat cups in this movie. And like, it's nice
21:25
Speaker 1: to see bea cups on screen. Good representation of beacups.
21:29
Speaker 1: You don't see that anymore. You don't see that anymore.
21:31
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of d's out there. Yeah, everyone, we
21:34
Speaker 1: need cool boobs. Bring back no boobs, No no boobs.
21:41
Speaker 1: Tuesdays all female juice but with small boobs. W W
21:49
Speaker 1: B B bees. Yeah, hear that Hollywood put it in
21:58
Speaker 1: the treatment. So everyone's dying until it's the only person
22:04
Speaker 1: left is Alice. She encounters Misses Vhees, who she seems
22:10
Speaker 1: to trust at first, but then you realize that Mrs
22:12
Speaker 1: Vhees is the person who's been killing everyone and she's
22:17
Speaker 1: the mother of Jason who drowned except just kidding, he didn't.
22:21
Speaker 1: And somehow he's magically an adult in the next one, right,
22:24
Speaker 1: because he's like a small boy when he pops out
22:27
Speaker 1: of the lake at the end and gives us, and
22:30
Speaker 1: then the next movie takes place a year later or
22:33
Speaker 1: less something like that, and then he's a fully grown man.
22:37
Speaker 1: Then I I will say like this movie. First of all,
22:41
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this movie. I like horror movie. I
22:44
Speaker 1: don't watch him a lot better, I like them. And
22:46
Speaker 1: I also fell for way more jump scares than I
22:49
Speaker 1: was anticipating falling for. Yeah, there are a few times
22:52
Speaker 1: where I like, actually like the the Kevin Bacon scene.
22:55
Speaker 1: I I got a little jump out of it because
22:59
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't notice underneath the bed Kevin Bacon.
23:03
Speaker 1: Everyone dies so stupid, and like it's it's very like
23:08
Speaker 1: all the acting is so bad, like we're Kevin Bacon,
23:11
Speaker 1: like goes from I don't even there was anyone directing him,
23:17
Speaker 1: like it's uncle. They show his ass, which was I
23:21
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, I didn't know we got to see
23:23
Speaker 1: guy ass in the eighties Bacon Bon's, Bacon Bon's. That
23:27
Speaker 1: actually sounds delicious. We only we don't see a full
23:31
Speaker 1: female ass in this movie. We see we see a
23:32
Speaker 1: pretty significant crack, a high crack on Marcia want to say,
23:37
Speaker 1: a highly placed crack. Cups and granny panties. I'm like,
23:42
Speaker 1: now we're in my comfort zone. Those are granny panties.
23:45
Speaker 1: Those are like bikini now what okay, never mind. I
23:50
Speaker 1: don't know what weird songs you're wearing all the time,
23:52
Speaker 1: but those I'm wearing weird songs all the time. Those
23:55
Speaker 1: are some like you could get those at Victoria's Secret
23:57
Speaker 1: and they would be like normal, Like I'm wearing spinks
24:00
Speaker 1: right now. Those are the granny panties. Those are like
24:03
Speaker 1: bike shorts for everyday use. Okay, I guess I wear
24:06
Speaker 1: a weird underwear. So we're very weird and I'm shaming
24:11
Speaker 1: my car. It's way more than I was on that one.
24:14
Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's just plow us. Uh so yeah.
24:19
Speaker 1: Then Alice has a final confrontation with Mrs Vorhees, who
24:23
Speaker 1: tries to kill Alice because she's like, you didn't watch
24:27
Speaker 1: my son even though this happened I don't know, twelve
24:29
Speaker 1: years ago or something because then and she's like possessed
24:32
Speaker 1: by her son, yeah, something, because of that scene where
24:35
Speaker 1: he's like, mommy, do it and she's like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
24:39
Speaker 1: Because the original it's supposed to be kill kill kill, kill, die,
24:43
Speaker 1: die die, but it was a res kill kill kill
24:46
Speaker 1: kill mom, mom, mom, because it's supposed to be Jason.
24:49
Speaker 1: In her head, I like that way better. Okay, I
24:52
Speaker 1: like kill Cococo, mama better. I have said multiple times
24:56
Speaker 1: to my husband if if we were to have a kid,
24:58
Speaker 1: I would name them killing in so I could go
25:00
Speaker 1: in the grocery store and be like get like, yes, mommy, yeah,
25:06
Speaker 1: I'd like this kid, your kids a very tiny assassin. Yeah.
25:12
Speaker 1: It's like, no one's gonna mess with my Killian. That's great. Yeah.
25:17
Speaker 1: And then that's pretty much. Then she chops. Alice chops
25:21
Speaker 1: this is where he's head off at the end, and
25:23
Speaker 1: she goes and she's like, oh, it's all over, better
25:25
Speaker 1: get into a rowboat and go out into the lake
25:28
Speaker 1: at night for no reason. She was like she was
25:31
Speaker 1: committed to that robot to she was in the rowboat
25:33
Speaker 1: before Mrs where he's found her, and then she's like,
25:36
Speaker 1: I gotta get back to my boat, Like so weird.
25:40
Speaker 1: Think the last thing I would want to do is
25:42
Speaker 1: to for some reason, like I like, either way is scary,
25:46
Speaker 1: but I if I were Alice would have gone on
25:49
Speaker 1: foot because we at least know that they were weird.
25:53
Speaker 1: Police officers like that. I loved that police officer who
25:56
Speaker 1: came was like, are you guys on drugs? What's happening?
25:58
Speaker 1: Is this on any weird? We're old, We're not cool.
26:03
Speaker 1: It is sort of trow away, like, thank you, officer.
26:07
Speaker 1: Now let's let these people who are appropriating native culture
26:10
Speaker 1: get back to each other. Thank you. That was the
26:13
Speaker 1: only reason why I was like, yeah, Ned should die
26:17
Speaker 1: when he was like, oh I'm going to drown, but no,
26:19
Speaker 1: kiss me. Yeah, we we'll talk all them. That is
26:23
Speaker 1: also the one who his first appearance is almost shooting
26:27
Speaker 1: Marcy with an arrow, right, oh my god. And then
26:29
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, fun flirt. He's the killed her with
26:32
Speaker 1: an arrow. It was like flirt. She's like, stop it.
26:37
Speaker 1: You could have hurt like that. That was a real arrows,
26:42
Speaker 1: not a joke, I mean. And it paid off later
26:45
Speaker 1: with her with where she died, But like that was
26:48
Speaker 1: the first and then it was like, oh, we love
26:50
Speaker 1: this guy. He just shot and he just shot this
26:52
Speaker 1: character like with her class clown. He's the comedian of
26:55
Speaker 1: the bunch. He's a go fall, he is racist. He's
26:59
Speaker 1: trying to kill the ladies at the camp. It looks
27:02
Speaker 1: like it's in the age. I was really struggling with it.
27:08
Speaker 1: It's the Banks, it's the banks. Everyone in this movie
27:10
Speaker 1: was like actor wise, because I looked it up, it
27:14
Speaker 1: was in there like early to mid twenties, which makes sense,
27:17
Speaker 1: and they're playing they're supposed to be playing Mabe a
27:18
Speaker 1: little bit younger. Uh, but I could also I think
27:23
Speaker 1: that people back then just aged more rapidly, yes, than
27:27
Speaker 1: we do, because we're filling our bodies with all kinds
27:29
Speaker 1: of weird preservatives and people just aren't aging. We're hotter.
27:36
Speaker 1: Seventeen is the year of the hotties. Oh god, that's
27:41
Speaker 1: the eighties when people just be like I'm just gonna
27:43
Speaker 1: put like Chris Cooe on my skin and just hang
27:46
Speaker 1: out in the sunlight. What could go wrong? Like just
27:48
Speaker 1: people that true? Just baking, Yeah, nobody knew about baking
27:52
Speaker 1: ken he's baking up there, So that's this story Friday.
28:03
Speaker 1: Then oh yeah, so she shops her head off and
28:05
Speaker 1: then she goes out into a robot in the lake
28:07
Speaker 1: because the movie needs her to be on the lake
28:09
Speaker 1: so that Jason can jump out and like pull her under,
28:12
Speaker 1: but not because she survives. So that's pretty much how
28:16
Speaker 1: it ends. And then oh and she wakes up. She
28:19
Speaker 1: wakes up in a hospital and they're like, we didn't
28:22
Speaker 1: find a boy, but really, there were two cops standing
28:26
Speaker 1: right there watching that happen. You didn't see the boy
28:29
Speaker 1: drag her under the water. Nothing in this movie makes sense,
28:33
Speaker 1: Like we're old, where don't we don't understand camp. We
28:37
Speaker 1: haven't had fun in a long time. I gotta go
28:40
Speaker 1: make begrudging love to my wife very much. The police
28:45
Speaker 1: officers vibe. Can we talk about the door guy a
28:48
Speaker 1: little bit just for fun, not who's that crazy Ralph? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
28:52
Speaker 1: the funny old man on the bike because I feel
28:57
Speaker 1: that in and this is as a person with limited
28:59
Speaker 1: horror movie experience, there's usually a character who comes to
29:04
Speaker 1: warn someone about something. This is one of my one
29:08
Speaker 1: of the more fun cookie warning characters because sometimes with
29:11
Speaker 1: warning characters and I cannot pull an example at the
29:14
Speaker 1: top of my head, so hopefully what I was saying resonate.
29:16
Speaker 1: But like I feel like there's sometimes like some weird
29:19
Speaker 1: racist troops used for a warning character, and like there's
29:23
Speaker 1: just like just a random character. I don't go in there,
29:28
Speaker 1: and then they just disappear, which is what funny old
29:32
Speaker 1: Fedora guy it does. But he's got these wild eyebrows.
29:35
Speaker 1: To his credit, he does not hit on Annie, who
29:39
Speaker 1: is about to be lifted via her butt into a truck.
29:42
Speaker 1: He just scares her. So, um, I don't know if
29:46
Speaker 1: I would rather be just viscerally scared by or aggressively
29:51
Speaker 1: hit on by a man. I'd prefer neither, but I
29:53
Speaker 1: think I'd rather be scared just be told not to
29:57
Speaker 1: go to a camp because he was right. And then
30:00
Speaker 1: he does. He show up later in the movie. He's
30:02
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, the camp, you dumb idiots. I told
30:05
Speaker 1: you not to come here, I think, gets back on
30:08
Speaker 1: his bike and it's like, honestly, thank you for making
30:11
Speaker 1: the trip. He's probably had so many d uise that
30:15
Speaker 1: he has to have a bike. Yes, he was right
30:18
Speaker 1: though he but do we find out We don't find
30:21
Speaker 1: out why he knows that, other than he's just been
30:24
Speaker 1: alive for a while. But because so the movie opens
30:27
Speaker 1: with two camp counselors from like was at the late
30:30
Speaker 1: sixties some yeah, and they get murdered. They like go
30:35
Speaker 1: up to an attic and because sex right, which is
30:38
Speaker 1: a huge trope in horror movies, they started or they're
30:41
Speaker 1: like fooling around and then someone comes up and then
30:44
Speaker 1: we see them get murdered, but we don't know by whom.
30:47
Speaker 1: There are different allusions throughout the movie that there are
30:49
Speaker 1: those two murders, and then the year before that, a
30:51
Speaker 1: boy drowned and you don't find out that it was
30:53
Speaker 1: Jason who quote unquote drowned even though he didn't because
30:56
Speaker 1: he's still alive and he goes on to kill a
30:58
Speaker 1: bunch of people and all the other sequels, but he's
31:01
Speaker 1: drowned or he like was in the one, I don't
31:04
Speaker 1: know who knows. Again, this movie doesn't make it's not
31:06
Speaker 1: super important. Continuity is not super important to these movies.
31:10
Speaker 1: But because he drowned and then those two other people
31:13
Speaker 1: were killed like a decade or so before that, Everyone's like, oh,
31:17
Speaker 1: can't blood blah blah. So he was warning them crazy
31:20
Speaker 1: Ralph guys all, I was sort of hoping that if
31:23
Speaker 1: I did have one criticism of the Door Guy, I
31:26
Speaker 1: was hoping that it turned out that like he was
31:28
Speaker 1: somehow more integrally involved in the original what happened, because
31:33
Speaker 1: it would have been very easy to be like and
31:34
Speaker 1: he was a little camp boy like like that you
31:39
Speaker 1: see a little boy with like wow, that really haunted him. Well,
31:46
Speaker 1: he's only thirty five years. One of the big problems
31:49
Speaker 1: I think. I think so I generally liked the movie
31:52
Speaker 1: for what it was. You know, it's just like kind
31:54
Speaker 1: of a mindless slasher. I'm also not very well versed
31:57
Speaker 1: on like horrors, probably the genre that I like least
32:01
Speaker 1: fluent in, if you will, But I you know, it's
32:05
Speaker 1: a fun slasher movie. It's full of tropes, and those
32:09
Speaker 1: tropes keep recurring in all the sequels. But one of
32:13
Speaker 1: the things I want to talk about is, like the
32:15
Speaker 1: horror genre has its own set of like gender tropes.
32:19
Speaker 1: There's like often the final Girl. There's the thing where
32:23
Speaker 1: if you're a woman and you have sex, you've got
32:25
Speaker 1: to die. But also like man, like, if you're a man,
32:28
Speaker 1: you have to Like anyone who has sex, they have
32:29
Speaker 1: to die. I feel like there's a trope where like
32:32
Speaker 1: if you're a woman and you scream and you don't
32:34
Speaker 1: know how to put up a fight and you just
32:36
Speaker 1: like let yourself be killed, which is something I noticed
32:39
Speaker 1: about this movie. Sometimes it's like they turn around and
32:42
Speaker 1: then they're dead all of a sudden, But like when
32:44
Speaker 1: they have a chance to put up a fight, it
32:46
Speaker 1: really happens, except with Alice and then she's like, yeah,
32:49
Speaker 1: I'll throw a spool of twine at you. Can we
32:54
Speaker 1: address that. Mrs Vorries has a knife and she goes
32:58
Speaker 1: after Alice and they have a slat fight. It's like
33:00
Speaker 1: everybody else gets viciously murdered and she's like, oh Alice,
33:04
Speaker 1: slap slap, slapty slab, like really, what's what's happening here?
33:08
Speaker 1: And then she goes I noticed that to the point
33:10
Speaker 1: where I was like questioning. I was like, is it
33:12
Speaker 1: a knife? It looks like a knife, but she's not
33:14
Speaker 1: treating it like a knife at all. She was interested.
33:18
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, there's a lot in this movie
33:20
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. There's but but I think that that, well,
33:23
Speaker 1: what is you're thinking about that? Does it seem like
33:26
Speaker 1: something that's just like, oh, they made it into a
33:28
Speaker 1: girl fight unnecessarily or I just think it was just
33:32
Speaker 1: some way to be like, well, of course she's going
33:34
Speaker 1: to try to fight or something, but we can't, you know,
33:38
Speaker 1: have her died in the first five minutes of the fight.
33:41
Speaker 1: So really likes over boy likes chick boats and and
33:48
Speaker 1: MS four he has has a great sweader. Yeah, okay,
33:55
Speaker 1: sweater sweater, sweater rules, good sweater, good haircut, Yes, strong
34:01
Speaker 1: female protution, feminist icon. This is well. I did like,
34:08
Speaker 1: I did like. I did like that the movie like
34:11
Speaker 1: subverted the although so again I don't know much about
34:15
Speaker 1: horror movies. I haven't seen a ton. Like the slash
34:18
Speaker 1: sub genre was basically invented by was it Halloween or
34:23
Speaker 1: around that time in like seventy nine? Was that kind
34:25
Speaker 1: of the first slasher movie? Do you know? This was
34:29
Speaker 1: around seventy Nights, So I mean like this was sort
34:32
Speaker 1: of the beginning of the genre. So at this point
34:35
Speaker 1: I was assuming and then I did a little bit
34:37
Speaker 1: of research, But it seems like this is around the
34:39
Speaker 1: time where these tropes are sort of becoming solidified, right, yeah, okay,
34:44
Speaker 1: so the troupe and a lot of them, especially over
34:48
Speaker 1: the years, has developed that it's like a man. There's
34:51
Speaker 1: a man. So not that there was a whole lot
34:53
Speaker 1: to subvert prior to this, because this is like, right,
34:56
Speaker 1: like you said, it sort of at the beginning of
34:59
Speaker 1: these troops being developed. But I thought it was cool
35:01
Speaker 1: that it's a lady killing everybody. Sure, well this okay,
35:05
Speaker 1: and this is I think sometimes just a repercussion or
35:11
Speaker 1: a side effect of the cast is that I think
35:14
Speaker 1: that I'm giving them a little more credit for they
35:17
Speaker 1: probably weren't thinking about it this hard. But I didn't know,
35:21
Speaker 1: like I didn't know the twist that it's Mrs Vorhees.
35:23
Speaker 1: So I was watching it thinking it's hockey mask guy
35:27
Speaker 1: or sweater guy. I'm not sure who watching them, with
35:30
Speaker 1: the sweater guy being Freddie Freddie where e sweater girl.
35:40
Speaker 1: But but like with these very predatory shots of you know,
35:44
Speaker 1: basically a Vorhees tracking prey, originally I was like, oh,
35:48
Speaker 1: this is this will be an interesting thing to be like, oh,
35:50
Speaker 1: it's like a male gaze. He kind of like literally
35:53
Speaker 1: a male gaze shot, but then it turns out it
35:55
Speaker 1: is not a male gaze, but also is it. It
35:58
Speaker 1: was confusing because well because being possessed, possessed by or
36:05
Speaker 1: acting out the instructions of a man and of her
36:09
Speaker 1: son too, which is us like, okay, like it's good
36:12
Speaker 1: that we have like a prominent female character, but of
36:15
Speaker 1: course her instinct and her motivation it goes back to
36:18
Speaker 1: something very maternal, which is like kind of a easy choice,
36:22
Speaker 1: not necessarily a bad one, but neither one like reverse
36:25
Speaker 1: I go, I wrote that down. Yeah, yeah, whoa great minds,
36:30
Speaker 1: great minds gang? They think the same? Is that that phrase?
36:33
Speaker 1: Is that the famous saying? That's what they say. I
36:36
Speaker 1: didn't want to say. You have brought up sweater guy,
36:38
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you guys have been going
36:40
Speaker 1: around those Halloween shops. I cannot stand to see when
36:44
Speaker 1: they do sexy Freddy Krueger costumes and like those you
36:50
Speaker 1: just returned my costume that I bought this year. Calen
36:53
Speaker 1: is like was about to take her top off and
36:56
Speaker 1: be like, guys, Freddy Krueger is a pedophile. It's like,
37:01
Speaker 1: why are you like, oh, sexy protophile that has the
37:04
Speaker 1: origin story view rape. But that was a miniax like
37:09
Speaker 1: we're going to make that sexy. I mean, that's true
37:12
Speaker 1: about a lot of costumes. So many questions were very problematic.
37:16
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a minion sexy million from the spoil
37:20
Speaker 1: of a thousands I went in high school. My proudest
37:24
Speaker 1: Halloween costume moment was sexy Resputin? What how did people?
37:30
Speaker 1: Did you have the beard? You have had the beer
37:32
Speaker 1: had had the beard? Is it just resciput and with reciputes?
37:36
Speaker 1: And basically wearing that was like, basically just like wearing
37:39
Speaker 1: I borrowed my cousin's revealing clothing. She was a very
37:44
Speaker 1: popular girl, and I by borrowed her clothes and then
37:46
Speaker 1: put on a beard and said I am sexy Resputin
37:50
Speaker 1: because I took Russian history in high school. Because I
37:53
Speaker 1: sucking and big hit in my Russian history class. Everyone
37:59
Speaker 1: else was like, what go home? One of those scenes
38:03
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about, which we already alluded to
38:06
Speaker 1: the scene where Ned fakes drowning so that he can
38:10
Speaker 1: be given mouth to mouth by a hot lady, which
38:14
Speaker 1: this ain't the sand Lot. Let me see the same
38:17
Speaker 1: thing happened in that movie do I need to repeat
38:20
Speaker 1: that's an example of sexual assault. You don't get to
38:24
Speaker 1: just surprised kiss a woman or like lure them to
38:28
Speaker 1: giving you mouth to mouth under false pretenses. That is assault.
38:32
Speaker 1: Why do we keep seeing this and then like she reacts,
38:35
Speaker 1: she's like ned no, the same way, but the reaction
38:39
Speaker 1: of like, hey, don't shoot me with an arrow. Stop
38:44
Speaker 1: little tricks? Do you don't do that? I don't have value.
38:51
Speaker 1: If you hit me, I deal with it. Liked there, Yeah,
38:57
Speaker 1: that was not good. I mean every I feel like
38:59
Speaker 1: every male character has their moment. The guy that is
39:03
Speaker 1: older and we don't know is he had We don't know.
39:07
Speaker 1: We were saying, not hot mustachioed Steve, mustachioed Steve. He's
39:12
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, he's like looking to settle down
39:15
Speaker 1: with a child. Look a little camp right, He's like,
39:21
Speaker 1: well maybe I should. Well he creeps in one of
39:24
Speaker 1: my campers on Alice, He like he looks at her
39:27
Speaker 1: drawings and she you know, but I couldn't tell. And
39:29
Speaker 1: I want you to draw me like one of your
39:31
Speaker 1: friend cars. Also, who keeps their sketch pad next to
39:35
Speaker 1: their like home improvement project where they're trying to put
39:38
Speaker 1: the gutters up, like that's gonna be nasty and dirty,
39:41
Speaker 1: and if you have a sketch pad, you care about it,
39:43
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna be like who's gonna put her
39:45
Speaker 1: next to this home? Or this is another confusing moment
39:48
Speaker 1: for me of like what is their relationship? Because she
39:50
Speaker 1: said something He's like, do I really look like that?
39:52
Speaker 1: And she's like, that's what you look like last night?
39:54
Speaker 1: And I was just like, what are you together? Or
39:58
Speaker 1: was he just like buy a camp fire saying prayers,
40:03
Speaker 1: sleep and you're way through slump okay, But he's like,
40:06
Speaker 1: you're very talented and you're very pretty, and then he
40:09
Speaker 1: like touches her face in a creepy way and it's like,
40:11
Speaker 1: you're thirty, she's question mark. But let's say something though.
40:16
Speaker 1: But so it was confusing, but also it's like she's
40:19
Speaker 1: not supposed to be twic six, She's supposed to be
40:21
Speaker 1: Like I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be teens, right,
40:24
Speaker 1: But either way, it was gross. I do like that
40:27
Speaker 1: you see different women fixing sinks and putting up a
40:30
Speaker 1: gutter and like reallying over a stump like often you
40:35
Speaker 1: don't see women doing. And it's weird because There are
40:38
Speaker 1: a few examples of like reductive comments, like there Steve,
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Speaker 1: the the old hot guy you like in the first
40:46
Speaker 1: in his first scene he's whacking a loger whatever, stump,
40:51
Speaker 1: topping wood, He's whacking a tree with a piece of metal,
40:54
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, this is impressive. But then they're
40:58
Speaker 1: they're like delegating stuff and Brenda says she'll do something.
41:02
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I want Brenda to paint, and it's
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Speaker 1: like okay. But but it still seemed like, in spite
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Speaker 1: of random reductive comments, that the work was pretty evenly split.
41:12
Speaker 1: It seemed like between men and women and just I
41:15
Speaker 1: don't know, I was like pleasantly surprised with I was
41:18
Speaker 1: expecting it to be like egregious, like the female characters
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Speaker 1: in this movie of like way over sexualized, and but
41:25
Speaker 1: really everyone in this movie is sexualized, and with the
41:29
Speaker 1: women it is a little bit more, especially as the
41:33
Speaker 1: sequels go on, Like there's I think in the second
41:35
Speaker 1: or third one, like a woman completely disrobes you like
41:39
Speaker 1: see her puberty region, her like her pubic hair. Never
41:43
Speaker 1: say puberty region again, like there, I feel very sick
41:53
Speaker 1: region every everything. Do you see pub do you see her?
42:00
Speaker 1: Just that's that I'm gonna try to talk to my
42:06
Speaker 1: husband about my puberty. I've got to shave my puberty sometimes,
42:13
Speaker 1: and I the patriarchy. I must shave off between ages
42:18
Speaker 1: twelve and fifteen. You know what, I regret nothing that
42:22
Speaker 1: I've said here tonight. So if I have hot flashes
42:25
Speaker 1: and I go through menopause, do I lose my puberty region?
42:29
Speaker 1: As a real pube's head got I gotta stand up
42:32
Speaker 1: for the pubs. All right, let's get back on. If
42:37
Speaker 1: you identify as a pub sid, please do not email us.
42:40
Speaker 1: Thank you, Okay, you began this. You started this. Choo
42:46
Speaker 1: choo choot you as much as possible. Mama, very untractive
43:00
Speaker 1: of it. Um. A point that I think is worth
43:07
Speaker 1: making is that horror movies, especially ones with a bunch
43:10
Speaker 1: of sequels that are like franchises like this one, they
43:14
Speaker 1: are remembered pretty much only for their antagonists and not
43:18
Speaker 1: their protagonists, because, at least, like I said, I watched
43:20
Speaker 1: the first four, there's always you don't know who the
43:23
Speaker 1: protagonist is going to be until like the halfway through
43:25
Speaker 1: the movie, but it ends up being a woman each time.
43:29
Speaker 1: Again the final girl trope, but no one like is
43:33
Speaker 1: like oh, Friday thirteenth, you know, starring Alice our hero,
43:37
Speaker 1: Like it's always remembered for the villain, which makes sense
43:40
Speaker 1: because they're the through line of the franchise. But that
43:44
Speaker 1: character is almost always a man, which I don't know
43:47
Speaker 1: if I'm upset that, like there's the trope that like
43:50
Speaker 1: the bad killer is a man because but I don't know,
43:56
Speaker 1: true to life, but um, I don't know, there can
43:58
Speaker 1: be women killers too. I don't know what point I'm
44:02
Speaker 1: trying to make enjoy this movie Monster. Yeah, yeah, it was.
44:09
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And I know that part of this
44:11
Speaker 1: is just like a structural like for run time, Alice
44:14
Speaker 1: has to be able to defend herself to an extent,
44:17
Speaker 1: but she does take a lot of active role in
44:20
Speaker 1: defending herself and trying to and and you know, it
44:24
Speaker 1: would have been unrealistic if we saw her really like
44:27
Speaker 1: defending herself admirably because she's a teenager, Like you know,
44:33
Speaker 1: the stuff she was doing. I was like, you know,
44:35
Speaker 1: if you're freaking out, I could see doing a weird
44:37
Speaker 1: rope thing, sure, why not go? At first, I was like,
44:41
Speaker 1: is she going to kill herself? That would be wild,
44:44
Speaker 1: But she's just like tethering a rope to the door
44:46
Speaker 1: knob and then like putting a bunch of chairs against
44:49
Speaker 1: the door. Maybe it's a cand of thing, we don't know,
44:51
Speaker 1: not checking the back to see if there's an additional door,
44:54
Speaker 1: not trying to see if like, oh, maybe I have
44:57
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm trapping myself in the same you know.
45:00
Speaker 1: But she does her best. She lasts a while to
45:04
Speaker 1: the end, and she kills the end. Yeah, Mrs Warries
45:08
Speaker 1: by chopping her head off with a machete. Does it
45:10
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test? If a woman chops another woman?
45:14
Speaker 1: And oh, here we go. What if she's possessed by
45:17
Speaker 1: her son? Now does she climb the loftest test prevails
45:23
Speaker 1: the and this woman with the shortest hair is in charge.
45:27
Speaker 1: That's right, Mrs Morris has pretty short hair the loftist test,
45:30
Speaker 1: and she isn't charge and so and of the other
45:36
Speaker 1: Alice has the same length of hair. I think she's
45:38
Speaker 1: she's got pretty short hair too. So both in charge
45:41
Speaker 1: your test, but the other two as true acts in
45:43
Speaker 1: the face and arrow through face way down something. Yeah,
45:48
Speaker 1: we don't know. Well, I kind of wish it's bad
45:50
Speaker 1: that I was like, okn't I wish we saw what happened.
45:54
Speaker 1: I didn't close you on my arrows. They didn't have
45:57
Speaker 1: the budget for that special for a big arrow faith
46:00
Speaker 1: I would have I would have been on board for
46:01
Speaker 1: arrow face, and I would have complained about it, and
46:04
Speaker 1: I've been like, why we have to see a woman
46:05
Speaker 1: get shooting? But I would have been like, you know,
46:06
Speaker 1: but I'm glad I saw it. Well. They die because
46:09
Speaker 1: they either have sex or are sexualized in some way,
46:13
Speaker 1: and there's that weird like slut shamy tropar. It's like,
46:16
Speaker 1: if you have sex in a horror movie, you gotta
46:17
Speaker 1: die so as you have to be punished for your
46:20
Speaker 1: six But one of them had sex and it was
46:22
Speaker 1: the term monopoly scene. Brenda is like I'm gonna take
46:27
Speaker 1: off all my clothes, so like she becomes sexual and
46:30
Speaker 1: someone because she's like Brenda's arrow girl, right Yeah. But
46:34
Speaker 1: then it's weird because in the next scene she's made
46:36
Speaker 1: to be very virginal like where that was like an
46:39
Speaker 1: interesting where she you know, like she it's her. I
46:41
Speaker 1: did like, let's do strip monopoly, which still sounds boring.
46:47
Speaker 1: I don't even understand how that would work. It was
46:49
Speaker 1: like I was like, choose any other game. But yeah,
46:53
Speaker 1: but then she goes back to her cabin and she's
46:55
Speaker 1: like in a white gown and she's reading a book
46:58
Speaker 1: and she thinks she's helping a child. Like this is
47:00
Speaker 1: a weird flip from So there's a little bit of duality.
47:03
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what the point behind it was,
47:05
Speaker 1: but like she did go from like hor trope to
47:08
Speaker 1: virgin trope kind of abruptly, and I mean she dies regardless.
47:11
Speaker 1: But they were both present in that one character, which
47:14
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting. I don't think about women can
47:16
Speaker 1: have multiple dimensions. I think that they really helped to
47:21
Speaker 1: sexually active women contrary to popular belief, ken read what
47:25
Speaker 1: and are capable of empathy? I know, crazy, that's not
47:29
Speaker 1: choo choo. Does this movie pass the backdel test? It does?
47:34
Speaker 1: Why I really have two ladies have a conversation. But
47:38
Speaker 1: the two ladies that have conversations, we're talking about Jason. Well,
47:41
Speaker 1: there's a bunch that if you blink you'll miss him.
47:44
Speaker 1: It only has to be a two line exchange. And
47:50
Speaker 1: Marci had a had a quick They talk about vitamin C.
47:53
Speaker 1: What does vitamin C do? It neutralizes the nitrates or something.
47:56
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, I thought I saw something over there.
47:59
Speaker 1: That scene. There's a scene where Brenda and Marcy talk
48:02
Speaker 1: about making salads. Oh and also hand bat was that
48:06
Speaker 1: was a funny one. I was like, I want to
48:07
Speaker 1: make an Apple domestic combo. But it does pass. Strip
48:11
Speaker 1: Monopoly scene Alice and Brenda are why talking at first
48:17
Speaker 1: about like, let's play monopoly, but you'll like my version
48:20
Speaker 1: because it's strip Monopoly. But still is also there so
48:24
Speaker 1: like and they mostly talked to him, so I don't
48:26
Speaker 1: know if that scene passes really And then I would
48:29
Speaker 1: argue that the like pretty extended sequence between Mrs Vorhees
48:32
Speaker 1: and it always a few different times on like a
48:35
Speaker 1: line to line basis, especially right at first because they
48:38
Speaker 1: end up talking a lot about Jason or like wait
48:41
Speaker 1: till Mr Christie comes back, but they've already killed you. Yeah, yeah,
48:47
Speaker 1: so it passes a few different times. The surprising I
48:50
Speaker 1: was very surprised because I was thinking this was going
48:52
Speaker 1: to be the sort of one where it's like, well,
48:54
Speaker 1: if it does pass, it will pass by this kind
48:56
Speaker 1: of it's but this pass is pretty handily. So well,
48:59
Speaker 1: here's my theory about it. Oh yes, But the theory
49:02
Speaker 1: is that movies like this slasher movies where a bunch
49:04
Speaker 1: of people have to die, have to be populated by
49:07
Speaker 1: a bunch of characters, and probably at least half those
49:11
Speaker 1: characters have to be women because they have to have
49:14
Speaker 1: sex with the men so that they can be justified
49:16
Speaker 1: in dying via this weird trope that we've that's been
49:19
Speaker 1: established very white, very head or yes, but so there
49:23
Speaker 1: have to be a bunch of women so that they
49:25
Speaker 1: can have sex with all the men. Those women are
49:28
Speaker 1: going to hang out and talk to each other because
49:29
Speaker 1: it's usually like they're a group of friends, they're all vacationing,
49:33
Speaker 1: or they're at a camp or whatever setting. It is
49:40
Speaker 1: so because of that, because there just have to be
49:43
Speaker 1: so many characters who die, and a bunch of them
49:47
Speaker 1: have to be women so that we can see a
49:48
Speaker 1: bunch of them naked, because that's again another trope. And
49:52
Speaker 1: what I thought was large underwear. But we did get
49:56
Speaker 1: to see bacon, But we did get we saw more
49:58
Speaker 1: male butt than we saw female But and there was
50:00
Speaker 1: some close up of bacon packages, if that makes any sense,
50:05
Speaker 1: because he was wearing like a speed oh you mean
50:06
Speaker 1: his puberty region, his his pe reach per reach. I'm
50:13
Speaker 1: here for peer read for reach. It's a redis filled reach. Okay,
50:24
Speaker 1: So because of that, I would bet that a lot
50:26
Speaker 1: of horror movie like slasher movies like this pass the
50:28
Speaker 1: Bechdel test because there's just a bunch of ladies talking
50:31
Speaker 1: to each other before they die. But I would I
50:33
Speaker 1: would wager that a lot of slasher flicks passed the
50:38
Speaker 1: Becktel test. That's just my prediction as someone who hasn't
50:40
Speaker 1: seen a bunch of them. I bet some crummy ones
50:43
Speaker 1: probably don't. I would be interested in if any of
50:46
Speaker 1: the Final Destination movies like stuff. But all that to say,
50:50
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised at how handily this movie passed
50:55
Speaker 1: the Backtel test. Yeah, anything else anyone wants to say
50:59
Speaker 1: before we read? I did want to say something very
51:02
Speaker 1: weird that Jason was originally supposed to be named Josh. Oh.
51:07
Speaker 1: I love Oh, Josh Stoop Josh, You just Josh and
51:13
Speaker 1: you if you need you need a too syllable killer name,
51:18
Speaker 1: Jason is Mike. It's too jig So yeah, I don't
51:26
Speaker 1: know that's the killer. A too syllable name I like, Yeah,
51:33
Speaker 1: Josh sounds too much like a cousin. Josh stop, Josh stop. Stamping.
51:39
Speaker 1: Jolish just sucks man, stop by the wrecking Josh. You guys,
51:45
Speaker 1: yeah you don't want Josh to come back. Come on,
51:49
Speaker 1: Josh is a bad boyfriend you had in middle school. Like,
51:51
Speaker 1: stop it, Josh, you cut it out. Pay for my milk.
51:57
Speaker 1: With that, let's rate the movie on our nipple Scared
52:00
Speaker 1: will at least rate the movie based on its portrayal
52:02
Speaker 1: of women. I'm gonna give this is a tricky one.
52:06
Speaker 1: This is kind of the first like straight up horror
52:08
Speaker 1: movie we've done so I and I'm gonna give it
52:12
Speaker 1: to Nipples. I do like that the movie passes the
52:17
Speaker 1: Pacto test against whole odds. I mean, it's hard to
52:21
Speaker 1: tell who even the protagonist is until like maybe the
52:25
Speaker 1: second act, but then you're like, oh, it's Alice, and yeah,
52:28
Speaker 1: cool that they gave her a skill. She's good at drawing,
52:31
Speaker 1: and she's sort of resourceful. She's also kind of the
52:33
Speaker 1: voice of reason towards the end when like her and
52:35
Speaker 1: Bill are the only ones left alive and she's like,
52:37
Speaker 1: let's call someone. She breaks into the office for help
52:40
Speaker 1: to call someone. Like she does stuff. She's proactive throughout
52:44
Speaker 1: the movie generally, but just based on all the built
52:47
Speaker 1: in tropes of horror slasher movies where if you show
52:52
Speaker 1: any sign of sexuality you're a horrible slot and you
52:55
Speaker 1: deserve to die and stuff like that. I think it's
52:59
Speaker 1: not good. I don't like it. Gosh, so to nipples
53:09
Speaker 1: and they belong to the dog. At the very beginning,
53:13
Speaker 1: she's like, hey girls, sorry by boy, because I guess
53:17
Speaker 1: she looked at what are you doing? Annie? Fully, I
53:25
Speaker 1: don't care if this removes me from being an ally
53:29
Speaker 1: to my own Jenny. She had to die, she had
53:32
Speaker 1: to go. She had to because she was too dumb
53:34
Speaker 1: to live. Okay, Jen, would you care to write the
53:38
Speaker 1: movie how many nipples are? Five is the max and
53:43
Speaker 1: zero is the minimum. I would say three nipples, but
53:48
Speaker 1: they're perky nipples. Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm going to say
53:52
Speaker 1: three too for all the same reasons. And these nipples
53:54
Speaker 1: are knives. They're just they're soaking that they're sharp. Wonderful, Jen,
54:05
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54:07
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54:11
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54:18
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54:20
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54:23
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54:25
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54:31
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54:34
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