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'The Hedgehog Dilemma' w/ Shuggy Mungo · You Call That Radio?

• 0:00
  Speaker A: You call that radio
• 0:04
  Speaker B: regular eagle eyed or eagle eared. Listeners of the podcast will recognize you call that radio. That is the voice of Doogie from the Mickey Nines. Not many people know that. And not many people know that Diggie has started a new band called Shoggy Mongolia who are playing their very first gig on 28th March at the Art school. They're playing their first gig as the Gyro Babies play or last gag. It would be great to see you there if you can make it. There's a discount code for patrons at patreon.com forward slash. You call that radio. Thank you to the patrons for making this show possible and making it so. There'll be no more adverts, there'll be no more sponsorships. That's it. That is advert. Go to the gig in the 28th and join the Patreon if you can. But it's always great to have Doogie on the show. He actually diagnoses me with autism live on air. We also spoke about energy vampires, the art of naming bands, the myth of St. Mungo, the hedgehog dilemma, the pros and cons of being a middle aged rock star, how it feels to be sober at a festival campfire at 3am, how everybody is a Nazi and everybody is a narcissist these days, why the far right misunderstand Orwell. He also recommends a bunch of books that I should read. We talk about the Epstein class, the Epstein wars and much, much more. And we play a song called called Ammunition, which is Gyro Babies and Shuggy reworking the Mickey Nines classic. And we finished the show with an exclusive first play of a song called Wired to the Moon, which is a Gyro baby song that's brand new, no one's heard it before and features Moirad Negrastra, which is one of my favorite Irish singers of all time, formerly of Blackbird and Crow, who will be playing the Gyros after party aftercare session on Sunday the 29th at McCool's. That's free entry from 2 o' clock to 6 o'. Clock. She's incredible. You definitely want to come along for that. Hosted by feel better than Dr. Normal. They're going to be doing a kind of collaboration set, loads of amazing artists playing and yeah, I hope you can make it. So if you can't make the the art school on the 28th, then please come along to MCs in the 29th. And yeah, that's it, it's let's go and speak to Doogie of Shuggy Mongol.
• 2:54
  Speaker A: You call that radio?
• 2:59
  Speaker B: It's T shirt weather. So I think we can officially say it's last of the winter water week and we're going to speak to Doogie or AKA Shoggy Mongo about war music. But let's start with some small talk weather a bit. Small talk. Chat about the weather. What you go that.
• 3:29
  Speaker A: Hi. It's been lovely finally getting away from the winter blues and actually quite warm today in Glasgow, so I'm happy.
• 3:43
  Speaker B: It's a beautiful day anyway. It's not. Is it not a bit weird being a musician as the world burns?
• 4:00
  Speaker A: I guess it kind of feels like, you know, you're putting a lot of time and effort into making songs when you really should be prepping for the apocalypse, you know, I mean, I feel like I should spend more time learning how to do knots and like, you know, making a large supply of rice, but I'm just spending it playing playing cards.
• 4:27
  Speaker B: But it's weird doing anything. Why? Why? Why should. Why should we feel weird and guilty when it's weird to do anything? Because everybody else, no matter what your job is, is we are doing anything. While the world seems to be booming,
• 4:42
  Speaker A: it's just one specific part of the world that's burning. But. Well, actually. Well, there's lots of places.
• 4:47
  Speaker B: But there's lots of places.
• 4:49
  Speaker A: One that's in the news a lot right now. But unfortunately for.
• 4:52
  Speaker B: There's also ones that are not in the news that should be in the news. But that's another conversation.
• 4:57
  Speaker A: The reason this one's in the news is because our entire economy is built on fossil fuels and all the fossil fuels come from that area. So I think we're going to be in for a pretty big recession again.
• 5:13
  Speaker B: Is this our fifth recession coming up? Omni, how many recessions you had and what was your favorite recession?
• 5:21
  Speaker A: I'd say the 2008 one was the original and best.
• 5:27
  Speaker B: Agreed. I had a good name. It was a credit crunch.
• 5:30
  Speaker A: Oh yeah.
• 5:31
  Speaker B: Because it was crunchy.
• 5:33
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 5:33
  Speaker B: I remember from the credit was still tender.
• 5:37
  Speaker A: What was your line again? Had been credit crunched me or something like that. What's the line from Bank Charge?
• 5:43
  Speaker B: Bank had credit crunched me. That is from Bank Charge, an old song. You're going back. You're going back. But well, you know we're gonna bring that song back. I can exclusively review. I didn't know how to bring that song back with the. The new lineup, but we figured it's what is. We are going to play it the gig. We're talking about of course, in case you don't know, is the 28th of March the art school. My band Gyro Babies are playing our last ever gig and on the same night Diggy's band Shuggie Mungo are playing their first ever gig. So let's. Let's. We'll get back to the war. We'll get back to being a musician in war. I want to speak to you about a few things. I want to speak to you about the hedgehog dilemma. I want to speak to you about the time you diagnose with autism. I want to talk about the noise and frequency of the city. I want to talk about. Is a good idea to. Is this a good time to quit a band? There's a few questions I've got for you, but let's. Let's just talk about Shoggy Mongo because most people don't know what Shoggy Mongo is. So please.
• 6:47
  Speaker A: Okay, so Shoggy Mongo is the new band for any Mickey Nines fans out there. Mickey Nines is still going. I'm the singer of the band Mickey Nines to the non Mickey Nines fans who are listening, which is a kind of punk rap metal band basically. And so that's still going. We've got a few gigs this year but we're taking it a little bit quieter this year. Just trying to have a bit of a break from the constant touring schedule. Maybe working on a new album as well. But on the side I've got my own. My soul music which is a completely different genre. Mostly it's kind of more singer songwriter. Sometimes it's a bit more. A bit funky and dancy. Sometimes it's a bit kind of punk, sometimes it's a bit just pop, just some pop songs, some. Some kind of summery, chilled out nice poppy sing along songs, some folk stuff in there as well. So I just wanted to kind of have almost like a new band name, a new moniker for all the different projects I've got because I had. I had an album under named Killer Wheel which came out in Corvids but then I never did anything with it because it was covered time that was kind of like ambient indie and then I've made a kind of pop punky indie rock album with a band called the Doogies and now I've got this new album coming out. Just started doing a couple songs from under Shaggy Mongo but basically I'm going to try and get everything under that one banner of the Shaggy Mongo banner basically. So it'll be kind Of a bit killer. Robert Doogies, Mickey N's cover maybe, and then just all the other new songs I've got. So it's going to be Shaggy. Mongo, I think is going to be the one going forward and just trying to amalgamate it all into one thing. But it will be a bit of a. A smorgasbord. I always want to say that of. Of music. So eclectic mix of different genres. It's just about having fun with music and just trying lots of different styles out. So if you, if you're just. If you just like music that might surprise you in terms of like, if you listen to an album kind of genre hop quite a lot, hopefully not too much such that it's a bit like off putting or just be kind of the songs kind of. They kind of fit together in a certain way, but they're often quite, quite different in terms of genre. And just because I love lots of different genres of music. So when I'm writing songs, I'm just. I love experimenting trying to write like a kind of like a Scottish folk song or a Californian pop punk song or Right. Kind of Bob Deli still folk rock or I don't know, like kind of Beatles psychedelic thing or something like Santana. Just the kind of anything that just feels like fun. That's the idea.
• 9:50
  Speaker B: Is it okay to call my smoothie a smorgasbord? The fruit and vegetables.
• 9:56
  Speaker A: What is this? It's a smorgasbord. Like a cheese board with lots of different cheeses on it.
• 10:00
  Speaker B: It's a word that only music journalists use. I remember reading it from a young age and it'd be. I know. I kind of know what it means, but I've never looked up the definition. If somebody could look up the definition. Pull it up, Jamie. I'll ask the team. I'll ask my team the definition. But yeah, I know, I know. I know what it means. I feel like I know what it means, but it doesn't. It very rarely comes up in a conversation that's not about music.
• 10:28
  Speaker A: Always only applies to open sandwich.
• 10:31
  Speaker B: Open sandwich. So it's like a sandwich with no bread. Well, I don't know.
• 10:42
  Speaker A: Like all the ingredients of a sandwich on a board.
• 10:44
  Speaker B: Yes, but. Okay, so that would make sense. Stephen Holland, Gutted. I'm not going to. I'm going to miss the gig. Away too far to pop in. Looks like oops. Maybe not the best expression. Yeah, it's going to go to 80. Sold it. So this is an actual rewarning to buy a ticket for that school. The. The links will be somewhere on schedule. Just go to schedule. You'll find it. You don't need a link. Just Google Gyro Babies Art school and it will come up. Mary's in the house. Norman would. Equinox tomorrow. Is it Equinox tomorrow? Well, I feel good today because today was T shirt weather. I went and I've not really felt well all week and I went for a cycle and the. The wind and the Oaksters was perfect. Do you know that way where you just get the right amount of wind flapping through the Oaksters? I feel great. Beefy to make your own sandwich. A smorgasbord. So, yeah, they. So I'm quite interested in the fact that you've. So you're just combining all your other. Well, not side projects. You don't want to dismiss anything as a side project. But all your other projects isn't. Mickey Names is coming together. It's Shoggy Mongo and that's your final. That's your final offer. Everything's just going to be shocking. Mongo now?
• 12:05
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think so.
• 12:06
  Speaker B: No more bands.
• 12:08
  Speaker A: I think so. Because as a name, it kind of. It feels like it's got flexibility in terms of what kind of music it is. And also it's a name that wasn't taken which was useful.
• 12:19
  Speaker B: Well, I told you this. We talked about this when you color wheel. I was. Look, there is too many color whales that are of similar nature.
• 12:27
  Speaker A: Yeah, I know.
• 12:29
  Speaker B: It's great because it could be Shoggy Mongo and the. The Smus boards. You could be Shy Mongo and the whatevers and the Shy Mongo and the Diggies. So. And it's something I'm going to need to figure out because I think that I would like to have another band one day. Maybe not. I think this year's all about collaborating, writing. But I would like a new name because I don't want to use my real name for a musical project. I don't know why I don't like it.
• 12:59
  Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, it did cross my mind just to use my name, which is.
• 13:06
  Speaker B: Crossed your mind, which is Dougie. I might just call myself my name, but then why not?
• 13:12
  Speaker A: So, like, my name's Dougie or Dougie, depending on. Or Douglas or Douglas. Douglas.
• 13:19
  Speaker B: Douglas.
• 13:20
  Speaker A: Douglas.
• 13:22
  Speaker B: That's it.
• 13:22
  Speaker A: That's.
• 13:23
  Speaker B: That's Dicky's way for Coulson when he's in trouble.
• 13:26
  Speaker A: Exactly. But there's a writer called Douglas Stewart who won the Booker Prize. He's from Glasgow for the book Shuggie Bean and he basically wrote his own Childhood which was about him. But he changed his name from Dougie to Shuggy and I was like, haha, there's an idea. Change my name to Shuggy for the music. And then also Mungo kind of with the Glasgow connection. St. Mon.
• 13:54
  Speaker B: The Glasgow connection for people who don't know because not everybody is aware.
• 14:00
  Speaker A: So yeah, Saint Mungo is the patron saint of Glasgow, which is a pretty cool name. I mean it's like a cool name for a saint. It's not, you know, Paul or John. It's something a bit different. So I just kind of like that. Again, the only issue of course, Mongo's hi Fi. But I feel like it's such a different world from that, which is Mongol. Sci Fi is a kind of sound system for reggae and dubbed and all that basically. And they're pretty. They're pretty much world famous. But I feel like I'm not stepping in their toes.
• 14:35
  Speaker B: It seems to be different. I don't think so. I think if it was maybe if it started with Mongo's Shock Fi or something. But it's like Internet's made it really difficult to find a completely unique name. Yeah. Otherwise just gonna have to make up words because someone's used it somewhere. I've had a few brand names I've come up. I've got a big list of potential band names and the amount of times that you think, well, naming. Really thought of that. And they have. They may have only released one song in 2003, but it exists.
• 15:11
  Speaker A: Exactly. And so we'll be jamming some of the new stuff before the Doogies release with the band, with the lineup we've got now. And as we were doing that, I was constantly trying to come up with names and I came up with millions of amazing names. But like literally every single one was taken, no matter how random you felt it was. Unless you're basically using a made up word or a made up spelling or like a really random combination of things.
• 15:39
  Speaker B: Or change the S to a dollar sign.
• 15:42
  Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Or like, you know, the new bands, obviously they have like really weird spellings and stuff like that. But I'm too old to do that.
• 15:50
  Speaker B: Yeah, I think I'm too. I'm too old too. I'm not doing that.
• 15:53
  Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Like Aberdeen A, B, R D or whatever that is. But anyway, so yeah, like any. So if you want to do something that's kind of like a cool reference, sort of.
• 16:06
  Speaker B: Yeah. Dropping the vows. I know you're talking about dropping the Vows like transmit. Just drop.
• 16:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, dropping the Vs. Like.
• 16:12
  Speaker B: Yeah, we're too old to drop Vs.
• 16:15
  Speaker A: Yeah, I had one that was, I don't know, was Old Sport, which I'm not saying is a brilliant name, but I. Old Sport, that could be quite good. And yeah, there must be about 300 bands called Old Sport. And even, even if you think you've got. Got something so obscure like you say there's some guy, some, some guy from Bradford and in the early 2000s has, has a, has a demo out, you know what I mean?
• 16:46
  Speaker B: And I think, I think it's disrespectful to that guy from Bradford in the early 2000s. Even if it is one song and it's zero followers. It feels like you want something to be unique. And it must have been totally different back in the day where everybody would have been, had the same band name. I mean when the Fall came up. I wonder how many bands were called the Fall in different cities. It must be. And they've never really crossed paths because you know, in the underground scene people, they've seen them. People would have seen great bands but never been able to follow up in them unless they became famous.
• 17:24
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think, yeah, that's a good point. And also I think. I don't know actually, I'm not, not, not read the stats on this, but I just would imagine there was probably far fewer bands in total. Like in total. I think it was especially before punk music anyway. Yeah, definitely before punk music was invented. I think there was far fewer bands because it was like you actually were expected to be relatively high level instrumentals to actually do a band.
• 17:56
  Speaker B: And also it was, it was so expensive to, to record and stuff. You know, we can record now relatively easily at home.
• 18:05
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think the fact that anyone can basically put out a song and Obviously now with AI like you can do it in about 20 minutes, which
• 18:15
  Speaker B: is, which is a double edged sword because it's great. But also it means that anybody.
• 18:24
  Speaker A: One second, Mark, that's George, would just follow me. What's that, pal? Can we do some Minecraft later in the day maybe? Yeah, Yeah, he wants to play Minecraft but he's not allowed to at the moment.
• 18:44
  Speaker B: That's what they all. I don't know anything about Minecraft, but I do know that that's what everybody loves that. Is that the cool thing?
• 18:51
  Speaker A: Yeah, it's kind of like. It's almost, it's almost like Lego but on the Nintendo. That's the simplest way to explain it. It's kind of you build. You build like whatever you want.
• 19:06
  Speaker B: It sounds like a lot of work. Do you know B Drone did that as part of his Twitch live stream? He actually built a world that people could perform in during lockdown. And I just didn't quite understand it, but it was cool. But I still didn't really know what was going on. But what I'd like to ask you is about the. Yeah, yes, it was. On that note, would have been too many bands, streaming platforms, the touring course, music scene, drama due to a mental health epidemic, the glass ceiling of what is possible without true investment and development, tiredness, health reasons. Is it a good time to start a new band?
• 20:01
  Speaker A: Yeah, good question. For me personally, I don't really have a choice because it's kind of like the only thing that keeps me sane. I think if that's you, if you're like that, then again you don't have a choice. So you're just gonna have to do it anyway. But if you feel like you can take it or leave it, you should probably not bother.
• 20:23
  Speaker B: Well, I want to do. I want to do something again. But I feel like the glass ceiling thing, I feel like this band, it's been a bit. My band's been a bit for so long. It's time to start fresh and you don't want to do it half ass. And I feel like it takes up so much brain space to do it right. But maybe I could have just did. But you did. And just take it easy for a year with Mickey Names.
• 20:50
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think again, we were probably in a similar position to yourself and that. We've been in the scene for about the same amount of time, I reckon. And then like probably a similar number of gigs. I don't know, maybe. Maybe you'll pay more, but you know, we'll be a million miles away. But at the same time, you know, it's just. You get a wee bit of burnout. Especially when we've released quite a lot of new albums recently and other process of doing that, it's been kind of heavy going. So we just felt that for it to stay fun for us, we just want to kind of pick and choose a bit more. So not stop it, but just take a. You know, basically choose gigs that pay money, pay a lot of money, as simple as that. And then also we're maybe trying to like reinvent it with Mickey Lanes a wee bit and see if we can write a kind of heavier album just. Again, just for the sake of doing something different, something fun. And so, yeah, I think if you try to push it too much as well, then it will. If it's not fun anymore, then you're not actually going to be able to make new music that's actually good.
• 22:08
  Speaker B: You know.
• 22:09
  Speaker A: I think a lot of bands probably end up crashing and burning because they try to push it too fast or too hard or whatever. But again, at the end of the day it's not our. You know, we don't have. It's not a source of income really for us. So we all have day jobs. So it's not like we completely rely on the band. I think if you did, if you were. If it was your full time job then it would be different. It'd be so easy to completely burn out and almost like lose the love of it. You lose your love for it. Which again you think it would be like the dream job to be like a rock star or whatever. But I do. I know, I know people who have quit bands that were. Had made it, you know that they were touring Europe and stuff and like they quit because it was. It was just too, too stressful basically. It wasn't. It's not like the look, it's not like Led Zeppelin tour in the world in a private jet. You know what I mean?
• 23:02
  Speaker B: Well, that's it. It's on the floor. Well, the reason I'm why I killed the band is. Is with. Is euthanasia with love. You know, kill it because I love it and end on a high because I know how it goes you. That you go through in stages. So like you're the making of an album. You release the album, you get a buzz from the new album, you get a buzz playing the new songs, you play all these places and then basically it starts tailing off unless you make another new album. So right now I feel like, you know, it's exactly a year since dreams are mental Commit. We had a good year, you know. We had a good year all things considered. And it's just a nice way to go in a hike because we're gonna. It looks like we're selling at that school, which is nice because we played that school for nine years. I don't know if when the last time you played it was.
• 23:53
  Speaker A: I think it was the same gig probably with you guys.
• 23:59
  Speaker B: I think I. It was the moods.
• 24:01
  Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker B: And I think the moods are coming all the way over for Manchester to. To do a couple of tunes at the after party as well. It's. I've not announced it because I think they're actually in a stag party in Dublin and they've decided to fly over to Glasgow for the art school and so see what. But they're up for rapping, so we'll see. We might have a wee surprise guest for them. I can exclusively reveal. But, yeah, the other thing. So are you familiar with Hedgehog's Dilemma? The Hedgehog's Dilemma?
• 24:38
  Speaker A: Not sure.
• 24:39
  Speaker B: A philosophy. A philosophy. I can't remember who said it, but it's kind of like the problem that hedgehogs have in the winter is, is they want to get close to each other so they can feel the heat and they don't prick against each other, they don't hurt each other, but they. If they move too far away, they're cold. So what they end up doing is having a kind of sort of a detached middle ground where they get a little bit of heat but they don't hurt themselves, which isn't very friendly, it's not very nice. But it's the. The hedgehog's dilemma. That's what they've got to do. So that's how I feel about the music industry right now. Where I need. I want to have that, the. The closeness, the warmth, the connection, but also be far away enough so that I don't have to deal with pr.
• 25:34
  Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, you know what? I think I'm actually. I'm probably in a bit of a different place because I'm really, really looking forward to Chuggy Mungo. I can actually announce this just right now because we just found out we're going to play Eden Festival. So we'll be on on the Saturday night, 8pm on the melodrome stage. So, yes, so that'll be the first kind of festival we've played as Shoggy Mungo. But. And yes, I'm really buzzing about that. But I'm also. I have had festival burnout in the past, but that's for this year. I'm really, really looking forward to. I'm just looking forward to seeing everybody again, kind of just hanging out in the field. Like, I've. I've been off. I've been off the booze for about eight, eight or nine months, and I'm kind of. I've done my. I've done my time and I'm happy that I've got my kind of health benefits out of it and that. So I'm like, great, get back on it soon. So I'm just looking forward to, like,
• 26:35
  Speaker B: actually, so, you know, you're one of the. Everyone that comes on the show and goes, that's me. A Year sober, never been happier. Never going back, you're saying. So you deliberately took eight or nine months just so that he could enjoy getting back on it again.
• 26:50
  Speaker A: Exactly. Because I thought all these. Because it's same with me. All my pals are, you know, basically addicts.
• 27:00
  Speaker B: Or getting there.
• 27:01
  Speaker A: Or getting there. Exactly. So they're all quitting and I'm like, all right. Well, they're all smug as well, you know what I mean? And they're getting that smug glow now I want some of that smug glue for myself, Shaggy. Smug glue. And so I'm like, I want to bit that. So I thought, I'll put. I'll cut the booze and all for very well. But then it's been. It's been good.
• 27:25
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 27:25
  Speaker A: I mean, there's been benefits at the same time. Now I'm like, I'm. I've had enough of like. I'm actually just really looking forward to like having a big part.
• 27:33
  Speaker B: So when's your. When's your first. When's your. Your comeback?
• 27:37
  Speaker A: The gig? The 28th.
• 27:38
  Speaker B: No, to the. Your comeback to the. To the sesh.
• 27:41
  Speaker A: That's the same thing. Same thing. Go come on stage and just down a bottle of vodka.
• 27:50
  Speaker B: He's joking, by the way. Don't, don't. Don't follow this advice, kids. If you're watching Epic says I gave up booze years ago, but I love my weeds. Well, everybody eats of their own. Hopefully there will be some kudos in the future formally of the gyros mechanics. Etc. Well, a coup cares it has been kudos. Good to go in a high. Yes. Jigsaw tiger. I think so. And did you know that mongo means dear one or my beloved? I'm sure you did. Did you know that?
• 28:18
  Speaker A: Actually didn't. That's cool.
• 28:19
  Speaker B: Okay, so shocky Shoggy, My dear one. So that's where your green place comes from, I'm assuming.
• 28:25
  Speaker A: All right, maybe
• 28:28
  Speaker B: music management is in the house as well. We've actually got a song. We've got a song that we did together called Ammunition and I've just managed to download it and upload it because the fail was too big. But I've got it now.
• 28:43
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker B: So obviously this was a big hit for the Mickey Nines. And it's actually on the Gyro Babies forthcoming B Sides album, which you can pre order today, by the way. It's called Sunday Replacement Service. And if you pre order it, you get a couple of my favorite songs that haven't been heard before. So Ammunition's on it. Explain the thought process, recovering your own song. What's going on there and why am I in it?
• 29:12
  Speaker A: So I was basically. I've always done an acoustic cover of Ammunition anyway because, like, the lyrics part of the song is the bat I wrote, if you know what I mean. So. And I just thought it would be cool to do it with a kind of. It's not. If you listen to the version of it we've done with the Gyro Babies, it's not like acoustic as such, but it has a kind of an acoustic feel to it, I guess. It's got an acoustic guitar. Acoustic kind of snare and. And then it kind of goes off in another direction at a certain point where it kind of becomes like a more electric guitar. But. But yeah, so I'd always kind of been in my set if I'd ever been doing a kind of, you know, solo gig just with acoustic. And I just thought it would be cool to have a little bit of a, like, reference point to Mickey Nines, because, like, again, I'm looking for a shoggy Mongo to have to hopefully get some festival slots and stuff like that. And if there was a wee Mickey nine song in there, I think there would be Mickey. Nice fans who would kind of appreciate that, basically, and be up for it. So just a way of having a bit of a crossover between. Between the accent and. I've also done a cover of Planet, which is a. Also Mickey nine song. And again, this. But Mickey nine's version of. It's kind of very upbeat, kind of electro pop. And then. But this version's like a kind of really slow, ambient, kind of like sad version of it, let's say. So, yeah. Just. Just. So the idea is to do it. To do the same song, but to do it in a completely different way that's almost unrecognizable. I think that's what covers, you know, if you're doing a cover live, it can be whatever you want. I think if you're going to actually release it as a recording, then you've got to do something, like, really different with it. And, yeah, we've had Mark all yourself up on stage, Mickey and I, many times, especially with. For Ryan with me. So I just thought it'd be good to have a kind of. Yeah. To sort of do official, like, actual release together. So
• 31:17
  Speaker B: I jump on stage during Rang with me Clinging onto your coattails Coattails they call me, I hear so I've got the song here. It's called Ammunition.
• 31:49
  Speaker A: The mexicans. And the Mexicans are Brought to the foil Invading Texas for the land and the oil Symptomatic international turmoil and the weapons, Boys. Mister. Weapons, boys. Ammunition. Give me ammunition. Ammunition. Have no fear for we a man of the Lord we have no love and for the wheels of the song I dare to carry only the word we are the inner suits. We are the inner suits.
• 33:06
  Speaker B: Give me ammunition and give me a hand on the road to.
• 33:16
  Speaker A: Get down now I'm. Get down, Give me I'm. And all the west is on fire all of the east is on fire all the deserts of the Lord are on fire I've got the arsonist. Got the arsonist. Ammunition.
• 33:49
  Speaker B: Give me ammunition. Ammunition. Give me ammunition. Ammunition, Give me ammunition. Give me your hand on the right.
• 33:57
  Speaker A: Don't.
• 34:08
  Speaker B: Fire. Extinguisher Matching petrol. Marching order following Pedro Day of the Dead in the midnight melee Come on the news and you see me on T says he does it for the nar Then he sells it to the show and peepees heating up the planet to the umpteenth degrees Shimongo and the kari we are the innocents we are the innocents. In the midst of international incidents. That was ammunition. Shoggy Mongolia and Gyro Babies. And you can see the Gyro Baby's first, last ever gig at the art School on 28 March is selling it, though. So go and get your tickets. And the first ever gig of Shy Mongo. So that's quite nice. The end of something and the start of something. I like when that stuff happens.
• 35:35
  Speaker A: Yep.
• 35:37
  Speaker B: And tune sounds brilliant. Says Jigsaw Tiger. And I've given a couple of lessons already. Love the collaboration and rework Ammunition. It's good. How would you describe that? What? What is that? What's that sound?
• 35:54
  Speaker A: It's like country blues, rap.
• 35:57
  Speaker B: Country blues rap. It reminds me. It's quite theatrical as well. I can't remember. But do you remember Louis Barabas and the Bedlam 6?
• 36:11
  Speaker A: No.
• 36:11
  Speaker B: No. So he's actually a fireman in the A sky. I went up to the other sky for a meeting one time to talk about something. And when. Oh, the fireman and the fireman started talking to me. He knew me. But he'd shaven his. I think he'd shaven his tash off. Ten years had passed and he was in a. And he's an English guy who. And he was a context. He was just a random fireman talking to me. All right, Mark. Hey, dude. And obviously I'm just kind of all right. And then it's a Louis Barabbas in the bedlam 6. They were a great band and he was very theatrical. And it reminds me of that a wee bit slightly Balkan. Could it be slightly Balkan? Says Stephen.
• 36:53
  Speaker A: Slightly Balkan. Yeah. I think that kind of like. Yeah, that. Those kind of balls deep. The chord, the. The. What you call it, scale for the guitar solo is kind of like a Balin thing, for sure.
• 37:09
  Speaker B: The noise. Oh, sorry. Willie Copeland's commented, by the way, that's Alien Pig. He says you're never too old to do anything. Which I agree. I just want to clarify. I'm not saying I'm too old to do music anymore. I'm saying I'm too old to do that particular band anymore.
• 37:27
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 37:28
  Speaker B: W. Copeland released a song today, a new version. I just heard it for the first time today called Go well to Goat Phil. We did a version in December, but this has got all the bells and whistles. It's out on the Alien Pig band camp today. Check it out if you can. The Alien zpa. There's a couple of songs on it. And I think what I'm. I'm not saying I'm thrilled to do. I'm not saying I'm never going to start another band and do festival season again. It's not like that. I suppose it's the baggage that comes with having a band for so long. And our sounds changed a lot dramatically over that time. And I suppose our band came a bit of baggage because when we started, we were quite young, quite drunk, quite reckless, and I feel that the name doesn't even suit us anymore. It's just changed a lot. It's changed a lot. So that's why I'm not saying it's too. I'm too old to do music. Not at all. But I suppose I think if I wanted to start something new, I'd maybe approach in a different way, maybe. Maybe with sobriety. So we're curious, maybe. But do a few gigs sober and then, you know, obviously, festival season. If you're doing festival season, it's quite hard to avoid it. But you must have did the whole festival season sober, then. If you said eight months that. I'm doing the math here. Nearly.
• 38:47
  Speaker A: Nearly the. Although I actually was at some festivals at the start and I didn't. I drink at them anyway. But that was kind of before I did the official kind of quitting really well.
• 39:00
  Speaker B: And who was that? Was that. Is that. Is that. Was that new for you to go to a festival? Just.
• 39:05
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think. Well, in terms of actually staying overnight at the festival, I've Done kind of the Drive guys.
• 39:11
  Speaker B: You've done Drive Bys.
• 39:13
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like, it turned up, played and left. Basically done that quite. Quite a few times. But it was. What was. It was Kilburn. And we were actually. We were on quite early, around something o', clock, three o' clock or something. And then. So had the whole rest of the night bad. I stayed up until about three in the morning, but completely sober. It was. It was interesting. It was like. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't the same, obviously, but it was kind of interesting. Like, it was. Obviously, what you're seeing is everybody else getting more and more wrecked and. And the thing is, for me, I was still quite happy to have a conversation with somebody. And as long as they were, like, not. So as long as they were coherent enough that you could actually chat to them, it was fine. It's nice. And then obviously you listen to music and stuff, so that's good. But at the same time, your tolerance for, you know, maybe music you don't actually really like or something, it's like, quite low. So I went to the. The big stage, which was music for young people, kind of like.
• 40:17
  Speaker B: Yeah, the. The big electronic space.
• 40:21
  Speaker A: And it's kind of like. I don't know what it's called, but it's like. It's not quite grime, but it's. It's a bit like grime, but it's not grime kind of thing. I'm. I'm too. I'm sure you old to even know what it's called now. But I was. I guess it's like a hype, man. It's like music. And it's just like, yeah, everybody put your hand or whatever. But it's just. I don't know.
• 40:38
  Speaker B: I think you're talking about drum and bass, I think. I think, man. But it's. But it's electronic, so. Gets a bit more grimy. But it's. It's jungle.
• 40:51
  Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, jungle. Bas and jungle. I used to go to nights. It was, like, way more intense and mental. It felt like that was kind of a bit more ambient and kind of like. I don't know. I don't know.
• 41:01
  Speaker B: I just has. Jasper. Yes.
• 41:06
  Speaker A: Maybe I'm just kind of up to date with, like, the drum and bass. Massive. But. So, yeah, again, I was all right, but it was just kind of like. I guess it was different. And I think one thing I've really noticed is it's kind of funny when people are drunk and they talk, especially when they're, like, not at the start of a night. But like at the end they're not, people are not actually having conversations. Like one person is just says something and then the other person replies with something that's completely non secretary, like a completely different thing and. But they think that the other person is listening to them. So it's so funny sitting there sober and you're completely aware of what's going on here and how like one, like one, like the conversation does not actually follow a pattern of anybody actually listening.
• 41:47
  Speaker B: It'll be the best conversation ever. If they ask everyone, oh, I was talking to such with a really good deep conversation. We're kind of talking at each other
• 41:57
  Speaker A: and I've obviously done that myself millions of times. But you know, I mean it was just funny because I guess I've never really. I would have if I wasn't drinking. I wouldn't have hung about that long, you know, usually. Whereas this time I've kind of been in it, I've not really had a choice. So even if I'm out for a, for like a big party, I'm still not going to drink. So. So that's been kind of interesting. I think it's been more of like an interesting experience than like a fun experience. Like it's, it's given me the confidence to know that I don't need to drink to just go do something. Which has been kind of nice because it's like, it's still fine. It's like nothing bad happens. But obviously it's a, it's a social lubricant, especially at the start of a night takes the edge off. There's like, there's, there's reasons people drink, obviously. I mean there's good things about it but you know, obviously no hangovers. That's pretty nice. I'd say probably the big, the biggest benefit is obviously getting your weekend back about in terms of the hangover. So that's pretty good. But more so improvement of general sleep patterns throughout the week is definitely a massive, massive benefit to your life. Like that helps. That makes your life better.
• 43:10
  Speaker B: Well, that's when you, you're getting a wee bit older. It's when you're doing a festival every weekend, it's wild. So I'm looking forward to getting my summer back this year. I mean I might just, I might absolutely miss it though. I might miss all. But I feel like. I feel like 14 festivals are summer's too much for anyone unless you are going to do it completely sober or at least maybe 1 1amonth, not sober. Because it's just the amount of travel involved as well. I don't. Do you get this travel entire you. I mean, I'm a bit weird that way. I get exhausted by traveling. Take alcohol with the equation, take anything else at equation, but just whether it's in a car or train or plane. I get jet lagged on an hour flight to Dublin. Dublin, bad example. Belfast. I didn't get on the plane to Dublin. That's another story. If you're a Patreon, you can hear the full story@patreon.com forward slash radio. But that story is not for public consumption because I was refused. I was flung off an airplane, but was nothing. It wasn't my fault, by the way. I can confirm that. But yeah, the. Yeah, but the whole, the whole traveling thing exhausts me. Does this. Is this why you diagnosed me with autism? Is that. Does that make me autistic? Because traveling exhausts me.
• 44:31
  Speaker A: No, I don't think that's. I don't know if that's a reason.
• 44:36
  Speaker B: What about this one? The sound of the city. So I've always stayed next to traffic going by. And even though in the isle of Invercuske, where I stay. I don't know if that's how you spell it, it's a garlic word. But I stay in the ale of Inverce now. And when even where I am, it's beautiful, it's amazing. But I'm still next to traffic. It does my nothing a bit, but that didn't bother me when I was younger. But now it does. And apparently a sign of autism is sound being sensitive to sounds. So do you think it's possible that I got autism like a couple years ago?
• 45:17
  Speaker A: No,
• 45:20
  Speaker B: just a dodgy swedger or something.
• 45:24
  Speaker A: A vaccine.
• 45:26
  Speaker B: Oh, that's just demonetized now. It's demonetized.
• 45:32
  Speaker A: No, you're born with it and you don't get it from vaccines. So it can get express autism.
• 45:39
  Speaker B: Speak for yourself. Speak for yourself.
• 45:43
  Speaker A: It can get like expressed or amplified. Do you know what I mean? So like you kind of might have the underlying traits, but you never really kind of have any major issues with it. But then particular life changes or. Yeah,
• 46:00
  Speaker B: I was quite stressed or whatever.
• 46:03
  Speaker A: And like your upbringing has a big difference. So you know, like the way that if somebody's got a lot more. So it's hard to talk about because it's very complicated. But so there's a huge spectrum. So you can be anywhere on that spectrum and then when you're on wherever you are on that Spectrum. There's still going to be an impact of upbringing and environment and all that. But you know, you can cure somebody of it just by giving them a good childhood if they have like a. If they have it quite severe. So it sort of depends like. And most people that you kind of like meet in day to day life who have, who are on the spectrum, let's say they're, you know, functioning and they're basically fine. It just makes their life a little bit more difficult in certain situations. So I would say for the kind of average person. But they're a bit like a lot about autistic is what people say. Sometimes it's more. Yeah, it can kind of. That's when it can kind of have a bit of ups and downs, let's say. Whereas somebody that's a bit more kind of severely autistic, it's more of a. I guess, you know, it's kind of just more of a kind of global issue where like they might get a little bit better at speaking or you know, they might be kind of mute but then they might let. They might be able to start saying words a bit more when they're older if they have the right support.
• 47:24
  Speaker B: So.
• 47:25
  Speaker A: Yeah. Anyway, it's complicated. I used to work in a charity with kids with autism, so that's an all about it from that. But yeah, I've diagnosed plenty of my friends with either ADHD or autism over the years. I think most musicians obviously.
• 47:37
  Speaker B: Yeah, you're completely qualified to do that, aren't you?
• 47:40
  Speaker A: Well, I'm not qualified to do it because I'm not like a.
• 47:44
  Speaker B: I know you're not qualified.
• 47:45
  Speaker A: Just. I've got a lot of experience of working with.
• 47:47
  Speaker B: Okay, okay.
• 47:48
  Speaker A: Young people with autism and adhd. So I'm really used to it. And you just kind of can almost just sense.
• 47:55
  Speaker B: Well, I suppose the music. I suppose I've not had to work alongside normal, normal Normie Normingtons or whatever. So the music industry, everybody's a bit different I would say in general.
• 48:11
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 48:11
  Speaker B: It's actually weirder. It's a. It's weird to have a, A. A very normal person.
• 48:17
  Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I think that's something I've noticed as I've got older is how many in
• 48:21
  Speaker B: the underground scene anyway.
• 48:22
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like how many of my friends and, and the music scene and not in the music scene are basically kind of neurod. Divergent. I feel like. I'm not really feel sure ever sure what the terms of the best term to use anymore. But I said no, I think you're
• 48:37
  Speaker B: correct now, but next year you'll be cancelled for that.
• 48:43
  Speaker A: It does change, but. And myself included, obviously. And it's kind of like, yeah, I think I just don't like people that are normies. Like, I just like people that are. That are weird. Basically. That's my people. And musicians are almost all of them. If you kind of actually see it through from, like that first guitar lesson to actually being in a band in your 30s, then you're probably a bit mental. So.
• 49:07
  Speaker B: Yeah, like, why would you. Because you're not doing it for the money. And I think also, because obviously there's a. There's definitely an element of validation where. But I don't think I'm. I'm not seeking approval anymore. But that's one of the things, because I think it's nice when you release a song and people go, I really like that song. That's a nice feeling. Or if one person says, after a gig, that was a good gig, great to hear. But I don't want the conversation to continue any further into compliments or approval. I don't want that. I'm not seeking that. It's good to know that you weren't shite, but then we can move on with our night.
• 49:46
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's good. And it's for me that obviously you want some approval or whatever, but for me it's more just like, yeah, hopefully it's not shite because you don't waste everybody's time, including your own time. So, I mean, like, that's like the main thing. You're so. You just like, if you do it well.
• 50:04
  Speaker B: If you do it really well, then some people are gonna think it's really shape. That's fine. You can please everybody.
• 50:11
  Speaker A: Yeah. And so there's always. I think that's actually sometimes the harder thing to deal with when you're kind of like. You actually knew it was good because a lot of people were like, oh, it's really good. But then somebody says it was shite,
• 50:24
  Speaker B: and you're like, oh, must have been shaken.
• 50:28
  Speaker A: And. And not realizing that people just have different tastes also.
• 50:33
  Speaker B: But you've got to watch it for the. This is a good one. The energy vampires do. And they're real. I don't care. The real people, they're the energy vampires. What they'll do is they'll say, the sound was a bit off. I couldn't really hear your vocals. And what they like to do is just to. Was it put your gas at a peep? Is that the phrase? Just if they see you enjoying yourself too much after a show. But could you really hear your. It was really good. But you couldn't really hear your vocals. I'm like, what? You couldn't hear my vocals? Actually said that. A gig. I'm not going to say the gigs. I don't want to name anybody. I can't. But I was at a gig and then somebody said that to me and I said to the sound guy, I went, was my vocals all right? And he said, I think that's more of a issue, more of a name issue because nobody else said it then I was like that immediately. I was like, oh no. I know, I know what she did there. I know what she did. She tried to make me doubt myself. But I think, you know, after being a, you know, we're having like, we've lots of success. We've. We've did a lot better than we should have did. And also we've not. But we've not exactly set the charts up, please. And you know, even to this day I've got friends that I've known for 20 odd years who have stuck. Every time I see them, they're like, I want you to come along in one of your gigs. And they've never been a gig before. That's my message is to them. We can clip it. My message to you is that you've got one more chance. I bet you about embarrassing the next time you see me because you can't say I only come along to a gig because you've had 18 years now that's 18 years of not making a gig.
• 52:11
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 52:12
  Speaker B: Put your gas at a peep. Yes, Peter. Gas. People are raining. My parade says Mary. Thank you for confirming that. Prestige 420 who you can. You can check out his interview. We spoke for a couple hours in January. Scotland by prestige. Great. Facebook, Instagram, Tick Tock channel where he talks about Scottish history and harsh. I would recommend it. And if she says, I tell you weird telling folks in the mid-70s that you had a psychiatrist, child psychologist and a social worker preteen. Then as a teenager projecting and gaslighting wasn't the attitude. And you've got all these new words like gaslighting. I've heard a new one. Ghost lighting. You've got breadcrumbing. I know everybody's a narcissist. Everyone you don't like is a narcissist. Do you think it's healthy that bad people have access to this dictionary?
• 53:14
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think the kind of mental health language or psycho pseudo psychology stuff Is, is not helpful. I think for lots of, a lot of time it's just people being dicks to each other essentially. Like you're an arsonist or whatever but a dick.
• 53:34
  Speaker B: That guy was a dick.
• 53:36
  Speaker A: Yeah, that guy was just.
• 53:37
  Speaker B: He was a dick to me. No, he was a narcissist. He wasn't a gaslighter.
• 53:42
  Speaker A: He actually has like a severe psychological problem. Oh no, he was.
• 53:47
  Speaker B: It was a bit nasty. It was a bit nasty. He said that he couldn't hear my vocals.
• 53:52
  Speaker A: Yeah. So I think like things like the, I don't know. Autism for example in the seventies was just not. It was, it was sort of synonymous. Synonymous with sort of schizophrenia and stuff like that. So nowadays we know a lot more about it and the same with adhd it's kind of like people get kind of over diagnosed or whatever and there's all these problems with it. It doesn't mean that like these, it doesn't also exist. And same with narcissism. Like narcissism does exist. There are some people that have narcissistic personality disorder which is a very. It's not a nice thing if ever met somebody that has that. It's, it's. It's very difficult to, to be around them but obviously just someone being selfish is. Doesn't mean they're a narcissist. Most people are quite selfish quite a lot of the time. Do you.
• 54:42
  Speaker B: I mean so this is a, this is a, an example that nobody will remember but Lex Luger from the wrestling, he was called the narcissist. And I think there's people about my age group who's seen the narcissist because obviously he was just a guy, a big muscly guy who kind of showed off his muscles. So that, that's the definition of my age group because we, we had that word for the first time through Lex Lucas shout outs to anyone who watched the WWF in 1997. Yeah but I mean it was a very, a very niche group. This was pre attitude era
• 55:22
  Speaker A: border from when I started watching wrestling. So I think might had a couple of figure, a couple pals that might have the figure, the figurine or whatever you call it.
• 55:29
  Speaker B: Yeah everybody that's an idiot as Nazis as well. So you're either a narcissist or a Nazi as well if you disagree with somebody. But there's actually real, there's real Nazis a bit now. So can we stop calling people Nazis just because they disagree?
• 55:48
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's one of the key problems, isn't it using like the language wrongly, let's say or just like in kind of stupid norm, like normalizing it so that it just gets used all the time. It takes away the power of these words for when it is actually real. So if you for example, had a, a colleague at work that was an actual narcissist, that is like a problem. And so, so again if you were trying to deal with that and then everybody's like, oh yeah, everybody's a narcissist, like undermines it. And then the same with like as you say, like the word Nazi. There are, I mean like, I think better word to use is fascist. Fascist because like the Nazis was the National Socialist Party in Germany. It's quite a specific thing. So if you say, you know, Trump's a Nazi, it's not really, doesn't really make sense. But if you say that he's a fascist, I think that's, that's self evident that that is actually true. But again, because fascist and Nazi just gets thrown around, it's not, it comes almost quite difficult to just point out actual fascism like, like we're seeing it with the current American administration which has just got fascism written all over it. But then you're just, if you say that then everybody's like, oh, just some lefty saying that they're fascists, but they actually are. But they actually are actual fascists though. So it's like that's the problem.
• 57:12
  Speaker B: Yeah, there's no doubt that they're fascist. And in fact there's a good comment coming for Iona says, I remember you're my English teacher and you got us reading essays from Orwell. I know, I didn't know that you thought Iona, but Iona's brilliant. Iona's actually got a good sub stack. I'll put, put the link in the comments Iona, if you want because writing some really good essays and, and Orwell was one of the, the few writers that I really, I loved Orwell stuff. I still love Laurel stuff. Again, it's quite haunting and quite, you know, it's kind of predicted everything that's happened that you see with your own eyes. And I suppose what, what. Why is it that so many people on the right wing and fascists and stuff like that use Orwell quotes and they seem to misunderstand completely what the point was. Well, maybe I'm misreading it wrong but I mean if you came across this in the wild of the Internet that it's like right when people using Orwell quotes kind of thing.
• 58:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, I mean like Orwell Was an, you know, an. Actually a socialist, if you know what I mean. Like, and he fought for the socialists in the Spanish revolution and he got shot in the neck. So he doesn't really come a bit more blatantly. Obviously he's left wing than that. He literally took a bullet in the neck for it, which was probably the thing that killed him many years later. But I think the. The right kind of. Sorry, my son's making noise. Can you hear that? That noise?
• 58:45
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I can hear it. I've got autism. It's a narcissist. Joking. I'm joking.
• 58:55
  Speaker A: He's gaslighting us.
• 58:58
  Speaker B: It may be gaslighting us. Yeah, I can hear it. It's fine, it's fine. I'll be able to smooth it out in the audio podcast version because obviously if you're watching us on YouTube, we are also an audio podcast and Apple Spotify and all that as well. But it's fine.
• 59:11
  Speaker A: He's playing his keyboard. He's got like the drum settings on.
• 59:13
  Speaker B: Yeah, no, get him on the tunes, get him on the tunes.
• 59:16
  Speaker A: Just get started on it. But okay, so Orwell. So why did the right way like Orwell. Well, I think Orwell is talking about totalitarianism in the context of 1984 of the Soviet Union. Obviously. It's a kind of future version where that kind of comes to Britain and then it can be interpreted as different versions of totalitarianism, but it's obviously specifically aimed at the Soviet Union at that. When he was writing it in the fourth. The late 40s. And obviously animal Farm is a takedown of this, the. The communist revolution in Russia. So there. So I think because of that, because he's going. He's going after the sort of Stalinism, which is, you know, on a par with how bad Hitler was. And it's like left wing gone mad, basically, and just killing its own. Killing their own people and putting them in like concentration camps in Siberia. I think the right wing kind of like that about him, that he kind of is anti communist. But, you know, you can be anti Stalin and still be left wing. And also I think they see this kind of. The right wing is kind of about, you know, individualism and, you know, and the anti government. So they see kind of some of Orwell's anti totalitarian quotes as being like, anti government in general. So they're like, you know, Orwell told us that the government would come and, you know, they would take over the world or whatever. I think that's kind of why they. They kind of like, like some of the Orwell stuff, which in a way they're kind of not wrong. Like, you know, they're seeing it from a different perspective. But I think to not realize that it's also like left wing. And he's not crying out for like unfettered capitalism and the billionaire Epstein class to create a new version of dystopia by controlling our minds with algorithms and AI. He didn't have any of that in his books because he didn't foresee that. But that's.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker B: I like the way that you call the Epstein class rather than the elites. I like that this is changing the. To the elites is the Epstein class. Will this be known as the Epstein wars, for example?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good point. And I've noticed a few people online using that and I'm like, yes, this is brilliant. Like finally getting the left kind of get his act together a little bit and starting to use some like more barbed kind of terminology. Epstein class and the Epstein War is. What are they calling it? The. The alliance of Epstein or something like that. I can't remember for the war. But yeah, I think it's the fact that the Epstein files has become so famous. Like it's always kind of a big deal, obviously, but the fact that it was. It's really just everyone knows about it now, which is new. That's relatively new. Like again, teaching. You'll get 12 year olds or say stuff about Epstein or whatever where, you know, they know about this political issue. So it feels like maybe actually they just. They can't hide it anymore. Like the genie is out the bottle on the Epstein stuff. So even though they can suppress it and redact it and do all the things, I feel like the long term they're not getting away from this one. And again, I think that's why we should start using the term the Epstein class. Because every single one of the billionaires that rule the world. Well, not every single one, but so many of them are on that list and visit all the time. And Elon Musk and who's completely got away with it somehow. But.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker B: Well, he got the. Let's just talk about that just a second. Because people don't. He kind of. He did get away with it, but the Epstein fail shows that this guy tried to go to the island, but he got the knockback for being too weird.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker A: I know, it's like the ultimate. The ultimate.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker B: He wanted to hang around with the most horrendous people in the world and they went, nah, he's a bit. He's a bit weird.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker A: You're too evil.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's a strange one, but yeah. So. So wait. Orwell. So you. So I remember speaking to you years ago and I was like, is there anything else? Obviously I don't read as much as I should and I'm really prioritizing it this year because I am writing my first novel. Obviously I wrote. I just wrote a wee lyric book that was. That was mostly just lyrics from back in the day, but I'm writing a real novel, so I'm trying to read more books because I realized that as a writer, I'm handicapped. Handicap myself if I don't read some of the best. You got me into Kafka, which I did appreciate, but it just wasn't my style. I do. I do love what Kafka was doing, but is there anything else you'd recommend? What is something that you think that I would. That would appeal to me?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker A: You might like the Outsider by Camus.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker B: No. Obviously had the camera, but never had the.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker A: So it's also called the Stranger, so it might be translated as Lestranger in French. So it gets translated as the Stranger or the Outsider. Yeah, it's good. It's also short, which helps.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker B: Yeah. The main reason I'm For a short book is it's not. It's not the. Obviously the. My concentration span's not the best, but it's mainly to do with the fact that I always finish a book when I read it. I start it, I don't just give up.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker A: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: So I. I want. It's a short one would be good for me. So the Outsider to tell me about it.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker A: The outsider is. It's hard to kind of sum up, but basically it's a. A guy. First line is he's. He gets a letter from. In the post that says his mom is dead. Right. So he kind of. And he just has no reaction to it. And he has to kind of go to the funeral and he's kind of annoyed because he has to take a day off work to go. Go to the funeral. And he's basically a guy. He's called Merceau, I think. And he basically. And he lives in French Algeria in the 30s or around then, maybe 40s or 50s anyway. And he basically doesn't care about anything. He just has. Just doesn't care about anything. And that's who he is. So I kind of. It's hard to maybe say too much without giving spoilers, but he gets involved in like a sort of criminal situation. Let's just say but he again just doesn't care about what's going on. And so it's kind of like the philosophy of what is life. If you go through it like genuinely not caring about literally anything, like he just doesn't care about anything like good or bad. And it's essentially, it's kind of a philosophical, existential, existentialism kind of novel. It's quite hard to summarize without spoiling it, but that's the basic premise. But it's, it's a classic. It's really, really good. But also you would, you would really like Kurt Vonnegut. Actually. I think he would be right up your street. Cat's Cradle and Slaughterhouse 5. Again, both short books and kind of dystopian. Not. It's not, it's not dystopian as such. It's more making fun of like a dystopian future, but in a really clever way, basically.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker B: That sounds good.
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  Speaker A: Slaughterhouse 5 is more like a sci fi retelling of the Dresden bombing which, which Vonnegut actually experienced as a soldier in World War II when the Allies firebombed the German city of Dresden and killed tens of thousand people and just destroyed the entire city just as revenge for the, the Blitz. So it's again, really hard to sort of sum up because it's a really weird book. He kind of gets abducted by aliens at some point. But again, just brilliant and just anything by Kurt Vonnegut you would love. And also Ursula Le Guin, the dispossessed. Brilliant novel about. You've got. It's like a sci fi book. So you've got like a planet which is kind of half, half communism and half capitalism. So kind of like earth in the 70s and then there's a moon and people also live on the moon, but the people live on the moon are anarchists. And so they have like a kind of anarchist society, let's say. And yeah, basically the people who live on the moon, there's a scientist there and he comes up with this amazing theory of relativity kind of thing. But nobody in the anarchist world can understand it. So he has to go to the planet to kind of become famous. His amazing idea can finally become realized. So it's this. It's like a political kind of allegory of the. Of different, you know, political systems and stuff. I just realized it sounds kind of boring describe it like that. But it's really, really good
• 1:08:02
  Speaker B: to say that the, the backing music is. Makes it. I'm glad. I love that there's a backing instrument Happening. Great chat guys. Says Lindsay
• 1:08:13
  Speaker A: played the Mario themed. So many times I don't even hear it anymore.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker B: We've got. I'm gonna actually I've decided I'm going to play an exclusive that no one's ever heard before because we have got the new pre order Sunday placement service, the Gyro Babies. It's basically the nearly songs, the B sides, the demos and early songs that never quite made it. I've managed to get 18 that I'm happy with. It'll probably go up to about 25. I think I might have to mix a couple but there's some. There's some good ones on there. And if you pre order it today, you get a couple of my favorites, which is Wired to the Moon, which is Moired from Blackbird and Crow and Orchestral Kestrels, which is one I did with Gordy about eight years ago. But it's annoying because it was a good song. But I re recorded the vocals last week somewhere between the cup semi final between Celtic and Rangers, the penalty shootout and the Central Fire. I managed to sneak in a recording. So try to be up. I'm going to play one of them before we just to end the show if that's all right with you. So definitely no one's ever heard it before. So let's just go to the comments quickly before we do that. I was going to say Slaughterhouse Five two. It's weird but great, says Jigsaw Tiger. We've got EP says Albert Camus. The Plague. Basically an infestation into society. Willie Copeland said. Enjoyed this immensely interesting chat. Funny to hear you talk. Two young men talking about getting old. Like, I'm not saying we're getting old. That's not what I'm saying. It's just time to change it. Change my band. Just start a new hang. Here's a cracking book. Very funny. And sponsored political satire Master and Margarita. All right.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker A: Yeah, you know what? I thought I'm gonna recommend that one as well. That's a really good show.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker B: Cool. And back to the Epstein class. See Stephen says use widely on independent news, legal, politics, comedy, US YouTube by this touch. Adam Beasley. Yep. The Epstein classes. The Epstein Wars. Just keep it going. Operation PDF fails distraction. Yep. And. And Prestige always coming in with the history. Orwell wrote some of 1984 in East Cobrade. He was in here Mayor's hospital for a bit which is interesting. I've been hearing hospital a few times and C.S. lewis the Nice. Not your Narnia tails, the nice that is. And obviously we're gonna. I'll see you Diggy at the art School on the 20th of March. So Gyro Baby's farewell show. We're having a dress rehearsal this weekend. I'm excited for it. Last week went really well. So this is the one more practice and then we're done. Art school it'll be Shoggy Mongo with, with his band, a full band. Sugar Mongo and the. The Doogies. And we've got My mail who's got a seven piece band as well. So I've unfortunately picked two bands that need two guitar amps so I'll be getting an extra guitar amp especially for you guys. And we'll be going to back to that school which is Nostalgia. It's an amazing PA system. It's going to be good. And at the end of the gig we then go to Late Night Sketchy which is in the Vic Bar. So we're in the main hall for the gig and then we're going to the Vic Bar. It's three quid for the after party for my famous Wab Lab Main Ingredient and Tom and Lou featuring Shidra the Gun. And as I exclusively revealed, I think the moods are going to do a thing as well. And I can also confirm it's 3 o' clock in the morning but remember last year we get caught out with this. The clocks going forward, springing forward. So we have a confirmation that we'll be finishing at 4am springtime. Sorry 4am winter time, 3am springtime. So we're all right. It's a full. It's a full night. We've got a full night and. And finally I'd like to shout out we're having a. An aftercare program called Bloody mary sunglasses at McCool's from on the Sunday from 2 o' clock in the afternoon to hold on 2 o' clock in the afternoon to about 6 o'. Clock. But McCool's is always good on a. On a Sunday anyway So there'll be DJs after that. But we've got. I'm just going to bring up the lineup here. Sorry, two seconds. Yes, here we go. Dr. Normal is bringing back feel better. It's the after party aftercare so if you can handle the scandal or you need a cure or you behave yourself and you don't drink and you just want something to do in the afternoon We've got Moira and the Gastra from Blackbird and Blackbird and Crow singing the songs of Blackbird and Crow singing the songs of Sinead the Connor and new stuff, including the song I'm about to play you right now, which is a collaboration we've managed to make happen just in time for this gig and in time for the Sunday Replacement Service album. Gordy Duncan, Texture, Jackal Trades, Apocalypse Theories, Kia Lou Palgrave, Henry Bell, Joey Simmons, and a rigged open mic. So that's the Sunday afternoon. It's free entry. Just make a donation if you can, on the door. And I think that's it. That's the adverts over. Saturday night, art school, main hall after party, and the Vic Bar down the stairs. And then Sunday afternoon, aftercare for Bloody Mary sunglasses. We feel better. And Dr. Normal's hosting that one, so it's gonna be a good one. It's a good. It's a good day to. To quit your sobriety deliberately.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker A: Yeah. It kind of sounds like it's like almost like a full festival. You know, you've got your gig, then you've got your after show, then you've got your the day.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker B: This is the thing. This is like. I feel like that's what people expect for Gyro. So I think with the new. The new band, I'm not gonna do the after party thing because everybody's getting older and. Sorry, Willie, I know that we're not old, but just. I think there's a kind of lockdown hangover where people didn't go out as much, or maybe people got older, they started having kids. And like, our after parties used to be absolutely packed to the rafters. And I've noticed that it's thinning it. So that's why I didn't want to have it in the main hall all night. But the fake bar is perfect, so it's about half the capacity. And it's gonna be a good night. So I'm gonna be. I'm going for it. I'm going for it one more time. I'm. I'm living an almost sober life now, a healthier lifestyle now. But I'm gonna. I'm gonna have fun at this one. And then. Then maybe just take the summer off. Yes. If I'm going to a festival, what would you recommend? So I'm trying to choose one. Eden. Kelburn. Dune or Kelbourne. Sorry. Or Knocky. Or maybe Nokie. So I think a few of them have. A couple of them have offered me a gig to do, like my book thing. I was going to do Linda's Farm, but Lindisfarne is clashing with Spiritualized and the Super Furry Animals at Queen's Park. So I just want to go to that as a punter instead. And what would you recommend? You're saying Eden because you're playing.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker A: So I would say that I think my favorite I like them all is probably Kilburn, but at the same time Eden is very, very, very close second. And obviously they're doing in knock as well. Obviously amazing as well. But I just if I had to choose one of the Kelbourne. I like the view of a Aaron. I like the mixture of Bams and. And Crusties. It's good, good mixture.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker A: So I think. And Kilburn. Yeah, I just maybe it's just to see see Air. But yeah, I had to choose one. But I think I'll probably myself only be going to Eden. I think Mickey Nines have not confirmed anything yet. I don't think so. The only one I'm definitely playing is is Eden. I think.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker B: Well, there might be. There might be a new thing that will be announcing soon, but we're getting this gig out the way before we. Before I even think about festival season. But there may be a new thing for any you call that radio, patrons will be the first to know. So if I call that radio Patreon, expect an email at the beginning of April about that. Just confirming a couple of things. And I'm just trying not to get anything else in my head apart from get the gig done, take a week off and then think about the summer. I'm gonna. I'm gonna play a song from Sunday placement Service. Moirad is one of my favorite singers ever from Ireland, an incredible band called Blackbird and Crow that broke up during lockdown. We've made this song. It's probably going to surprise a few people, but I'm going to stay, I'm going to let it play and I'd love to hear your comments. And if you pre order the the Gyros B Sides album on Bandcamp, you'll get this song immediately. So thank you very much, Dougie. I will see. I look forward to seeing Shuggy Mongo at the art school. And this is Wired to the Moon. Wild T by Snow Pure as a creature from donkeys ago that cat that always lands on his foot broke their toe. Put the glasgow. Take your 10 plan near wellies and together we'll go There's a cave in Roscommon There's a Morgan in Ro
• 1:18:25
  Speaker A: and
• 1:18:25
  Speaker B: she won't have the answers but just when you are home and in the end is that not what we want for our souls? Slithers of hope the sparks Alliance Dance don't roam Lands here no more Sudden day bus replacement has been due since noon. Feet Cables to the sky Bread Snow white. Now I'm standing at a Hawthorne tree I'm bargaining with the fairies. Well, I'm looking at them, they're looking at me. Trading their consets for te. Please don't come for me. Just a wild one Wave to the moon. Just a wild one Away to the moon. One. Sam.