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The Late Debate | 1 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: General, Welcome to the Late Debate. Clat Debate Team. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the show. I'm Caleb Bond with Frey Leech and
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Rodgers. Is what's coming up tonight? A bottle shop
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  Speaker 1: has been knocked back in a popular Victorian town because,
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  Speaker 1: wait for it, kids might see it on the way
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  Speaker 1: to school.
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  Speaker 2: What's next?
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  Speaker 1: You might see Paul Murray smoking a cigar on the
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  Speaker 1: way to school. What are they going to do about that?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 1: These in the papers in Australian university where the majority
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  Speaker 1: of students are foreign. We'll tell you where and how
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  Speaker 1: many are hot on the heels. Exclusive details in tomorrow's
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  Speaker 1: OZ and later. A man who says he's the love
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  Speaker 1: child of King Charles and Queen Camilla has had his
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  Speaker 1: court case against the State of Queensland for denying his
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  Speaker 1: human rights when the police refuse to investigate Facebook posts
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  Speaker 1: about his family history dismissed. And yes, I promise you
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  Speaker 1: this is a real case and we'll tell you more
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  Speaker 1: about it later. First, though, tonight, you may have seen
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  Speaker 1: news that we broke earlier this evening in Shari, which
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  Speaker 1: of course this week is being hosted by Dnika de
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  Speaker 1: Georgio that on October twelfth, which will be just after
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  Speaker 1: a few days after the second anniversary of October the seventh,
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  Speaker 1: we will have protesters, pro Palatinian protesters descending on the
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  Speaker 1: steps of the Sydney Opera House to once again demonstrate. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, we remember the ugly scenes in the days
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  Speaker 1: after the aftermath of October seven, nearly two years ago,
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  Speaker 1: where we had people protesting at the Opera House, and
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  Speaker 1: we remember the chants from there that originally were you know,
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  Speaker 1: if the Jews, etc. That was later decided it was
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  Speaker 1: something else anyway, and they're going to come back and
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  Speaker 1: try it on again on October the twelfth. They've put
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  Speaker 1: out a statement. This evening, by the way, today is
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  Speaker 1: Yon Kapur, which is the holiest day on the Jewish calendar,
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  Speaker 1: So read into that what you will, whether or not
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  Speaker 1: this is a coincidence or not. But they said they're
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  Speaker 1: going to rock up on October the twelfth, and in
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  Speaker 1: their statement they say that the seventh of October twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five will mark two years since Israel launched its
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  Speaker 1: genocidal campaign against.
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  Speaker 2: The Palestinian people.
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  Speaker 1: There is no mention, by the way, in this statement
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  Speaker 1: at all about Hamas in any way shape or form,
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  Speaker 1: and that October seven was when Hamas went in and
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  Speaker 1: slaughtered the most Jews who'd ever been killed in a
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  Speaker 1: single day since the Holocaust. It also goes on to
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  Speaker 1: on more than one occasion. And I thought it must
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  Speaker 1: have been a mistake at first, because the second paragraph
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  Speaker 1: refers to six hundred and eighty thousand Palestinians have been
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  Speaker 1: killed in the war, and I thought that they've added
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  Speaker 1: an extra zero onto that rather surely this is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But then later in the peace the bloke who sent
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  Speaker 1: out this statement, Amaal Nassa, who's from the Palestine Action Group,
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  Speaker 1: again uses that number in quotes that are directly attributable
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  Speaker 1: to him, and he says, over sixty eight thousand Palestinians
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  Speaker 1: have been killed in two years sixty eight. I've not
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  Speaker 1: seen six hundred and eighty thousand, I should say, not six.
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  Speaker 1: I've not seen that number anywhere. So they're fabricating numbers.
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  Speaker 1: They refuse to say anything about a mass having anything
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  Speaker 1: to do with as October seven, where a genocide against
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  Speaker 1: Palestinians started. And also I want to know why are
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  Speaker 1: they doing it on October the twelfth? It's and I
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  Speaker 1: get that they normally demonstrate on a Sunday as they
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  Speaker 1: have over the last two years, right and October the
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  Speaker 1: twelfth is the Sunday. But you'd think if you were
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  Speaker 1: that dedicated to the cause that you could get a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people to come out and gather on a
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday or a Wednesday night on the seventh or the
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  Speaker 1: eighth of October, couldn't you. No, No, we must wait
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  Speaker 1: until Sunday because that's what our people are used to.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole thing's just.
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  Speaker 4: It's absolutely disgusting and I think Australians are sick and
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  Speaker 4: tired of seeing a national icons be hijacked by foreign wars.
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  Speaker 4: The Harbor Bridge, the Opera House, the Opera House again.
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  Speaker 4: Now under new South Wales law, apparently it's illegal to
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  Speaker 4: actually protest on the Opera House. So if Chris Means
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  Speaker 4: and the police actually going to stand by the laws
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  Speaker 4: that they've applied to Jewish groups by the way, when
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  Speaker 4: they've tried to protest or hold events of the Opera House,
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  Speaker 4: well then they need to stop this. But this is
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  Speaker 4: the mob mentality that's going to take over. They want
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  Speaker 4: to get thousands and thousands of people down there to
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  Speaker 4: try and overwhelm police. And ram their way onto the
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  Speaker 4: Opera House. This is un Australian. It's disgusting. And the
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  Speaker 4: figures they're pulling out of their butt six hundred and
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  Speaker 4: eighty thousand, where.
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  Speaker 3: Is that from? Provide a source provide even her.
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  Speaker 4: Mask sources aren't saying that this is ridiculous and embarrassing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really disappointing and I think this is just
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  Speaker 5: an absolute disgrace that they have put this out. You
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  Speaker 5: just read the Caleb the first paragraph here, and it
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  Speaker 5: almost makes it sound as if Israel just for no reason,
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  Speaker 5: just decided to go into Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: It's nothing to do.
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  Speaker 5: About seeking justice for those that were thoughted, and where
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  Speaker 5: are any mention about the hostages that are still being
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  Speaker 5: held in Gaza. It is just the most disgraceful. This
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  Speaker 5: is what we're used to now though. This is the
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  Speaker 5: real sad reality of this group, that they are out
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  Speaker 5: there most weekends protesting. They have taken up our streets.
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  Speaker 5: They know this is now the third time that they're
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  Speaker 5: going to be using one of our iconic landmarks, the
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  Speaker 5: second time with the Opera House, and I just think
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  Speaker 5: this is now enough. We're in the process of organizing
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  Speaker 5: a ceasefire. They're now saying they're calling for immediate sanctions
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  Speaker 5: on Israel. They want to have an end to the
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  Speaker 5: arms trade. Before it was all about calling for peace
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  Speaker 5: in Gaza, and then now that there is talks of
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  Speaker 5: a peace negotiation, all, no, we're not going to talk
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  Speaker 5: about that. Now it's about sanctioning Israel and removing the arms.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, what do you guys want? This is very clearly,
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  Speaker 5: in my opinion, very anti Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, they've achieved a great deal in all
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  Speaker 1: the protests they've had every Sunday since oct Over seven,
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  Speaker 1: haven't they?
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  Speaker 2: So why would this be any different? Honestly? Can we
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  Speaker 2: just get the water cannons out?
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm just sick of it at this point, Just
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  Speaker 1: bagger off. If the biggest thing you've got to worry
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  Speaker 1: about is a war on the other side of the
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  Speaker 1: world that most likely you have no connection to whatsoever,
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  Speaker 1: then don't get a job. Quite frankly, let's move on
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  Speaker 1: to Victoria now, where well.
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  Speaker 3: Want somebody please think of the children.
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  Speaker 1: Well, somebody is apparently thinking of the children down in Victoria,
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  Speaker 1: because God forbid, they might have to look at a
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  Speaker 1: bottle shop. Yes, Dan Murphy's. You might We talked about
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  Speaker 1: this story last year. I think it was Dan Murphy's
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  Speaker 1: was trying to set up a store in Dalesford and
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  Speaker 1: Dalsford you might, well, those are very popular part of Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big tourist town. It's a big retirement town.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people have moved out there because it's
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  Speaker 1: not that far from Melbourne and it's lovely. It's near
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  Speaker 1: Hipburn Springs. Really is a great place if you've ever
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  Speaker 1: been there. So Dan Murphy thought, right, this town's expanding,
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  Speaker 1: lots of people moving in, good client tell so it
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  Speaker 1: makes sense for it to be a place to set
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  Speaker 1: up at Dan Murphy's store. And the local council and
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  Speaker 1: the local residents all said, no way, we don't want
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  Speaker 1: Dan Murphy's here. That big ugly face in his green
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  Speaker 1: shop can not be at our town, thank you very much,
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  Speaker 1: and they were successful. So Dan Murphy's appealed it to VCAT,
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  Speaker 1: which is the Civil and Administrative Tribunal in Victoria, and
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  Speaker 1: VECATS come back and said no, Actually the council made
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  Speaker 1: the right decision because kids might see it on the
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  Speaker 1: way to school. It is just an extraordinary thing, they say,
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  Speaker 1: it is a risk of harm to minors.
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  Speaker 2: This is to quote Vcat.
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  Speaker 1: The premises is located in an educational and family friendly
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  Speaker 1: area with children of all ages present throughout the year.
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  Speaker 1: The location of the premises means that children going to
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  Speaker 1: and from school, in care, at school, or at leisure
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  Speaker 1: will be exposed to this packaged liquor premises.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe it. The poor kids, I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: are they going to do?
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  Speaker 1: Like every road that has a school on it now.
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  Speaker 2: No liquor shop at all.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to rip out all the Dan Murphy's and
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  Speaker 1: all the other bottle shops and whatever, less the poor kids.
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  Speaker 2: So you sign out the front of a shop.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you're right, Where does this now end? And Victoria
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  Speaker 5: is not the only state that's got this sort of
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  Speaker 5: thing happening. We had a similar story that we spoke
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  Speaker 5: about on the Sunday showdown at Avalon where the locals
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  Speaker 5: were petitioning to not have a childcare center built on
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  Speaker 5: top of a Dan Murphy's because.
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  Speaker 3: Of that exact reason.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want to have children that are walking past
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  Speaker 5: an alcohol shop to go up to their childcare center,
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  Speaker 5: even though there was a lift that would go directly
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  Speaker 5: to a car park and it could avoid it. I
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  Speaker 5: think it is absolutely ridiculous. As a mum, I've got
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  Speaker 5: two kids who also our childcare center was literally you
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  Speaker 5: had to walk past a bottle shop to get inside,
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  Speaker 5: and the kids have absolutely no idea unless you make
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  Speaker 5: a big deal about it.
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  Speaker 3: They've got no idea you need to check out of
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  Speaker 3: their beds.
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  Speaker 2: They're probably hiding the.
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  Speaker 5: Bottle past and they're happily on their day. They are
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  Speaker 5: not aware unless you, as a parent, are specifically stating
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  Speaker 5: there saying, ook, that's a bottle shop, you better not
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  Speaker 5: look inside, and then of course that's going to make
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  Speaker 5: them want to look inside.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, ridiculous. I sort of think, look if they're a Nimby's.
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  Speaker 4: Now, this was all launched by an ex local government counselor,
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  Speaker 4: so it kind of tells you everything you need to
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  Speaker 4: know about the profile. A person who's particularly concerned about this,
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  Speaker 4: Dan Murphy is if they are so passionate about stopping this,
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  Speaker 4: they underwent a three year legal battle to halt this process.
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  Speaker 4: It's the first time in ten years that they've actually
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  Speaker 4: reviewed a decision to not grant to lick a license,
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  Speaker 4: So this is pretty unprecedented stuff. If they really hate
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  Speaker 4: the Dan Murphys that much, Well, let them have more
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  Speaker 4: expensive alcohol and a boring spa town. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 4: their fault. If they want to have no fun in
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  Speaker 4: their town, then good luck to them. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: just that's their right.
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, but that's the you know, a couple of
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  Speaker 1: hundred odd people who come out and say they don't
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  Speaker 1: want it. What about all the other people of Well
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  Speaker 1: then they need to speak hard. Who want to want
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  Speaker 1: to have you know, grow at a decent price, and.
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  Speaker 5: To say what the block's supposed to be filmed there?
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  Speaker 2: Well it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's going on at the moment. So how It's just
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  Speaker 1: what do they think that if a kid sees a
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  Speaker 1: bottle shop, the kid's going to turn into an alcoholic?
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  Speaker 1: Like okay, I guess now we must ban anyone from
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  Speaker 1: having a drink on television. It's a bit like you
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  Speaker 1: know in films. Now you can't smoke anymore. We've just
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  Speaker 1: sanitized life beyond all belief. I'm sorry, it's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be the thing if you're worried about with your
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  Speaker 1: kid is going to drink too much when they're a teenager.
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  Speaker 1: There are a hundred other things that will contribute to
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  Speaker 1: that before whether they saw a bottle shop on the
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  Speaker 1: way to school.
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  Speaker 4: Well, one of the things that you should be worried
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  Speaker 4: about your teenager doing. If it's not drinking as well,
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  Speaker 4: it's cannabis. New research by Australians health regulators estimate there
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  Speaker 4: are around one million Australians using medicinal cannabis. This is
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  Speaker 4: a fifty times increase. It was eighteen thousand people using
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  Speaker 4: it back in twenty nineteen and that has jumped to
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  Speaker 4: one million in twenty twenty five now, it says a
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  Speaker 4: study conducted by the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency found
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  Speaker 4: that eight medical practitioners issued more than ten thousand scripts
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  Speaker 4: each for the highest strength THHC products over just a
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  Speaker 4: six month period. One doctor issued more than seventeen thousand
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  Speaker 4: scripts in that same timeframe, equating.
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  Speaker 3: To a script every four minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Every four minutes a doctor is issuing high strength cannabis scripts.
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  Speaker 4: I mean this is of epidemic proportions. Now everyone thinks
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people think, oh, cannabis, it doesn't do
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  Speaker 4: much harm.
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  Speaker 3: There are risks.
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  Speaker 4: Associated with it when you have a million Australians on
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  Speaker 4: it without many guard rails in place. It's deeply concerning
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  Speaker 4: and part of this has been driven by the rise
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  Speaker 4: in online prescriptions. So people have worked out if you
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  Speaker 4: just go online, say the right things to a digital
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  Speaker 4: health appointment, you can get highest strength marijuana much better
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  Speaker 4: than buying it off the black market. But pretty disturbing
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  Speaker 4: for our country.
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  Speaker 5: It's disturbing how many are being the prescriptions. There's eight
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  Speaker 5: medical practitioners that issued themselves ten thousand scripts within six months.
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  Speaker 5: That needs to be investigated and says yeah, the Australian
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  Speaker 5: Health Practitioner Regulation Agency had did put in guidelines earlier
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  Speaker 5: this year to try and crack down on this. Clearly
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  Speaker 5: it's not working, but things like Teleyhealth is certainly making
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  Speaker 5: it easier to be able to access this medicinal cannabis.
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  Speaker 5: But my question is is why this sudden rise. You know,
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  Speaker 5: from twenty nineteen to now you go from eighteen thousand
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  Speaker 5: to a million. That seems so excessive in such a
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  Speaker 5: short period of time.
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  Speaker 1: Because that was sort of when it first came into being.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the early stages of being able to
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  Speaker 1: legally get your hands on the gear, right, So, I
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  Speaker 1: mean my theory is that it's just people who were
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  Speaker 1: dope smokers who have now gone well, I can get
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  Speaker 1: the dope without the risk of the coppers arresting me
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  Speaker 1: because I've got the script and the doctor sees that
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  Speaker 1: I can have it. So it's all hunky dory now.
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  Speaker 1: And I was fully on board when the discussion started
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  Speaker 1: and the idea was that we should legalize medicinal cannabis.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, go for it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are very clear benefits to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people who use medicinal cannabis, so I have no
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  Speaker 1: issue with that. But the problem to me seems to
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  Speaker 1: be that here we have a system that was set
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  Speaker 1: up to do good is now being thoroughly abused, and
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  Speaker 1: it's being used by people who just want to get
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  Speaker 1: their hands on dope for recreational purposes. And you've got
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  Speaker 1: doctors who are just willing to take the money to
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  Speaker 1: hand out the script. So you tune through them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one every of all minutes or whatever you want it
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  Speaker 1: to be, and just go, you get one.
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  Speaker 2: You get one.
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  Speaker 1: It's like an Oprah episode and they go down to
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  Speaker 1: the doctor, to the pharmacy, sorry, get there dope and
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  Speaker 1: go on their merry way. That's not what the system
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  Speaker 1: was meant to be, so you can have all these
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  Speaker 1: guardrails you like, it should be that you have to
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  Speaker 1: have three appointments in person with a doctor or something
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  Speaker 1: like that before you can get your hands on this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise you're basically just making a legal form of drug dispensing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why not do it for cocaine next?
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  Speaker 3: Correct?
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  Speaker 4: And apparently there are some medical practices that send you
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  Speaker 4: an automated SMS going, hey, it's like to get another
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  Speaker 4: cannabis prescription. So they are prompting the user to get
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  Speaker 4: more and more of this stuff because of course it's
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  Speaker 4: also in their financial interest to keep handing out these prescriptions.
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  Speaker 3: So the whole system is screwed.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg was here doing the the IFL Grand Final
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  Speaker 1: the other day. I wonder whether he got a prescription
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  Speaker 1: while he was he because he's well known for his
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  Speaker 1: dope smoking, so I wonder whether he got a prescription
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  Speaker 1: while he was Erior got his ends on the allegle stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Now here's an interesting story. Scientists have discovered a way
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  Speaker 5: to have a baby without a biological mother. Yes, that
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  Speaker 5: is correct. So using human skin cells are then injected
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  Speaker 5: into a donor egg before it is then fertilized by
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  Speaker 5: another man. So this theory then allows two men to
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  Speaker 5: have a baby without any DNA from a woman. Now,
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  Speaker 5: the research does say that it needs to have investigated
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more before they go and do clinical trials.
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  Speaker 5: But I just wonder, guys, first of all, why are
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  Speaker 5: scientists even looking into this as an option? But it
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  Speaker 5: just feels a little bit strange. I don't know how
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  Speaker 5: ethical something like this is, but it just feels a
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  Speaker 5: little bit strange that it's the DNA of two men
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  Speaker 5: to have a baby without a female.
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  Speaker 1: Look, it could be because I suppose the legitimate medical
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  Speaker 1: argument for it is that if you have a woman
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  Speaker 1: who is infertile, you could take her egg and then
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  Speaker 1: take a bit of her skin and modify the egg
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  Speaker 1: with the DNA to potentially make it a viable eggs
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  Speaker 1: that she could carry. Right, So you start out with that,
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  Speaker 1: and mean you potentially look at the idea of well
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  Speaker 1: do we then say that if someone wants to donate
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  Speaker 1: an egg, and then you can implant a bloke stein
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  Speaker 1: a replace the DNA in that egg with a blokes
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  Speaker 1: DNA from his skin, and then take another bloke sperm
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  Speaker 1: and fertilize it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, all of a.
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  Speaker 1: Sudden, you've got gay couples having kids, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of strange stuff. I get why they're doing it,
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  Speaker 1: a bit like I get why they do brain chips,
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  Speaker 1: But if you follow it to its conclusion, you end
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  Speaker 1: up in a dark place.
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  Speaker 3: A very very dark place.
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  Speaker 4: And the reality is, even if you can have an
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  Speaker 4: embryo that is the DNA of two men, you still
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  Speaker 4: need a woman to carry that baby. So you still
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  Speaker 4: even need a commercial sarrogate, which opens you up to
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  Speaker 4: a lot of human trafficking concerns and ethical issues, or
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  Speaker 4: you need a female who is willing to do it
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: for you, benevolently or voluntarily without payment.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: In any case, you need a woman.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: You can't erase women from child bearing.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: And it's just I mean, this is.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: The progressive side of politics, continually erasing and undermining women,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: whether it's women's spaces, women's rights, now women's role in
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: child bearing. It's disgusting, it's horrible, it's playing god and
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: it's not going to end well. And think about those
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: children that could potentially be born as a result of this.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: How do you explain that to them?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're actually biologically to men, but a woman then
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: had to carry you because we implanted the embryo, so
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: technically she is sort of your mother, but not really.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Like this is not natural. This is not normal, and
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: it shouldn't be normalized.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And I think the regulatory guard rails around this stuff
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: has to happen before any further research goes on, because
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: you know, just look at AI for instance, where they
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: went hell for leather with no regulatory guardrails whatsoever, and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: then you create something that just cannot be regulated. So
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: if you don't get on top of it now, then
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: there is no hope of doing anything about Because science
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: and medicine, of course, it's going to continue down the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: line of doing these things. They're going to investigate everything
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: they possibly can. But if you don't put any rules
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: in place, it'll all get out of hand before.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: You get And it's big money for them as well,
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: I mean fertility industry, big big money.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: But it does solve the problem though for women that
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: are too old to have babies because they no longer.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Have eggs, it could yeah, yeah, so that is that
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: is a solution, indeed, And these are the potential benefits, right,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: But you can't you.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: Had cancer and along eggs, but benefits at what cost?
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: And a lot of the time there are other factors
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: going on that mean women have delayed having children because
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: they were told by our culture it's not a good
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: thing to do. There are many other factors that we
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: can address before we start creating eggs with male DNA.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yes, I wouldn't be putting another blokes if
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: you were a woman who wanted a child, I wouldn't
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: be seeking two fellas to have viewed the DNA.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean you prefer your own, wouldn't you.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: While we're talking about Hinda and all of these sorts
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: of things, the kids in school, they're not boys and girls,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you know every I come on some nights and I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: just go like, am I on the same planet as
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: everyone else?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: And today is one of those ones.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: You might We talked about a story earlier in the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: year when you Ow's Teachers Federation put out this communica saying,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you know, you should call your kids not boys and girls,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: but intellectuals and epic humans and awesome humans and superstars
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: and all this sort of garbage. Well, it turns out
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: it's not just the New South Wales Teachers Federation. This
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: stuff is going around now, some form of it anyway,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: from state governments, including South Australia, where the Education Department
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: is telling teachers that they are responsible this is a
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: quote responsible for promoting the use of inclusive and non
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: gendered language within the education or early childhood server setting.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So they're explicitly being told to use non gendered language.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And a number of teachers have been discussing this online
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and the Daily Telegraph had this story today and good
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: on them exposing what a number of the different states
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: are doing. I mean, the same rules of play all
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: over the country. Victoria, queenslandts have similar readings, and so
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: teachers have been asking the question, well, if I can't
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: call my students boys girls and they are boys girls,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: what can I call them? And the suggestions that have
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: come back to these teachers include Cherum's friends, funsters, Oh yes, anyway,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: good morning funsters, good morning miss Racken back, I mean.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: What on earth?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: And the other one, which is perhaps site more appropriate
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in this case, is the suggestion is comrades, which is
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: probably what the teachers are calling each other in the breakroom.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: If this is the sort of stuff they do, I mean, honestly,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: am I on another planet?
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I yes, Like, I don't know how any parent can
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: look at this and think this is okay. I mean,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: the thought I had was I am scared to send
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: my future children to a public school or anywhere where
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: these teachers' unions have any influence whatsoever, because if this
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: is the kind of stuff that they are being told
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: to indoctrinate children with, that there's no such thing as
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: boys and girls, only epic humans and funsters.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: That is just plain weird.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: And even the term guys referring to students collectively as
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: guys is apparently provocative because it assumes they're guys and
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: its gendered language. What has the world come to.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Who was the former army chief that became Australian of
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the Year. His name escapes me anyway, He was in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the same year as Kate McGregor, who wrote him the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: speech about behavior in the military that basically won him
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the Australian the Year should have gone to Caate MacGregor.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: But he then became Australian of the Year.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And came out and did a campaign where he said
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you should not use the word guys in the workplace
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: because it's just ridiculous.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: David Morris. David Morrison's I.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: I have got two kids in a local public school,
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: and it was funny. I actually we were at an
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: assembly and the vice principal said, good morning, boys and girls.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: I said to my husband, oh my god, I've never
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: been so happy to hear those words before. But we
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: are demonizing those terms boys and girls, and that's making
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: this next generation think that there's something wrong with those
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: words when it's just human biology. What is wrong we're
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: saying boys and girls. We are jamming activism into the classroom.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: There's just no place for it. They should be out
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: there playing in the playground, doing maths and reading and
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: writing napland results are going down the drain because they're
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: focusing on stuff. Little kids' brains cannot cope with this
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: sort of rubbish, as well as things like climate change,
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: and they just need to be taught the basics of
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: how to be a good human really, and reading and writing.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: And it was interesting because a Daily Telegraph where this
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: article was online, had a poll asking whether gender inclusive
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: language should be used in the school ground. Now I
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: did do the poll a few hours ago, might be
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: slightly different, but at the time there were eleven thousand
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: people had voted. Ninety seven percent said no, there is
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: no place for this in schools.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: It's absurd and no wonder so many kids are confused
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: and anxious. Just look on what they're being taught in schools.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: But the gender nonsense is not unique to Australia. It's
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: also over in the United States, where a Senate hearing
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: erupted after a Republican senator questioned a former Biden official
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: on why, as part of their plan to reduce gun violence,
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: they were promoting safe spaces.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: For two spirited people. Check it out.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: You are the witness called by the Democrats on this committee,
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: so I assume you reflect their views. Well, you don't
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: want to fund the police, you want to fund safe
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: spaces for two spirit individuals. What is a two spirit person?
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: I feel like I'm looking at a two faced individual
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: because you talk about retard No, sir, you're looking at
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: somebody who's reading you your own words, and I'd like
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: to hear an answer. Program's the answer. The answer is,
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: you don't have any solutions. You want to invest in
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: gobble the gooog. And I take a fense that you
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: would think that I'm.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Focused on word a lot of question dodging.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Now, he was asked specifically, what does too spirited mean?
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: What does this mean? Because your gun.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Violent strategy is hinging on inclusivity for two spirited people.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Now too spirit is apparently it's it's very bizarre. It's
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: apparently in reference to indigenous groups where they have this
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: concept of like transgenderism that is apparently ancient and before
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: before Western interference. So there's this ancient too spirit concept
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: of that you can be somehow too genders.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: It's all very very strange.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Supposedly you have like male and masculine and feminine spirits or.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Some business and I don't know.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go home and I can look at
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: my drinks trolley and determine whether the bourbon is masculine
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and the dealer is feminine. That's the spirits I generally
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: deal with. I don't know about anyone else, but I mean, like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: what is going So we defund the police and we're
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: just going to replace the whole lot with them, you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: spaces led by Native Americans who believe that they are
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: male and female at the same time.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And these are the people who worked in the Biden administration.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Well, the issue there is that it's just so bizarre
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: that he couldn't answer the question, and he doesn't even
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: know what it is they're calling to defund the police
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: and put it towards something that he doesn't actually know
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: what he's calling for. And you just hate to think
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: how much other taxpayer funded money is going to things
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: like this. You know, I think about in our own country.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Remember just internamaginger Price was going to have a role
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: under Peter Duncan where she was going to look at
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: the excessive spending and four hundred and fifty thousand dollars
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: is going to Welcome to Country ceremonies. So you think
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: about where all this money is going. It's just crazy
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: that he just couldn't answer the question.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And if you thought two Spirit was pretty good, take
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a gander at this one that Clinton Maynard over at
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: two GB turned up.
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: In the gender section on this particular online application for
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: a job, there were thirty three options. It starts female male,
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: A gender A dronone by gender cis female sis, male
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: cisgender DEMI boy. I could go on, what's it good
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: to do with applying for a job?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, for goodness, sake again, I thought a cis male.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Was a bloke. You thought it was a bit female,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit sissy.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but apparently it means that you are
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a male who was born in a male body and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: still believes you for So you're just a male.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: You're a bloke. Yes, you just.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Want a label, but you're actually just a bloke.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: How many do you need on a job?
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: There?
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: Thirty three though? Thirty three different genders? And what the
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: hector to apply for a job? What's a demi boy?
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Why do they just keep inventing new gender?
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Why is it mmy boy the pope?
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: When you're applying for a job, shouldn't you be talking
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: more so about your skills and your experience? I don't
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: understand why it matters about having to list thirty three genders.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: Couldn't you just put don't want to say?
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Or well, if you're calling yourself a demi boy, I'm
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: curious as to what skills you do actually bring, because
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: logic is probably not one of them.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I do wonder, though, if you were a demi boy,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: do you reckon you'd be able to get a job
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: in the US military? Because I tell you what, Pete
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: haig seth over that the defense of the defense the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: secretary of war. So I was going for defense here,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it's not the Secretary of Defense anymore. Is the Secretary
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: of War?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Is who he is?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Gave a bit of a stump speech to He got
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: people from all over, you know, out posts of the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: US military. They all had to come back and listen
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to him, and he basically said, there will be no
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: demi boys.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: To remove the social justice, politically correct and toxic ideological
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: garbage that had infected our department. To rip our out
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: the politics. No more identity months, dei offices, dudes in dresses,
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: no more climate change worship, no more division distraction or
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: gender delusions, no more debris. As I've said before, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: we'll say again, we are done with that.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Shit here here I'm so I'm crying about the lack
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of dutes and dresses in the military now though, And
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: look to be fair, he does say I am more
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: than happy to.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Have women in the military. Put them on the front line.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: You just have to rise to the requisite standard.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: When it comes to any job that requires physical power
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: to perform in combat. Those physical standards must be high
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: and gender neutral. If women can make it excellent.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: If not, it is what it is.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: If that means no women qualify for some combat jobs.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: So this is the thing I've never understood about the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: argument about whether women should or should not be in
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the military. Personally, I don't think they should be on
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the front line. I know you might call me a
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: misogynist or a chauvinist or whatever for saying that, But
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you know, for me, I think it's just a chivalrous
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: point of view that we shouldn't be putting women in
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the line of fire. But if you accept that, yes,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: women should be allowed to serve on the front line,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I've never understood why you then go in order to
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: do that, we will lower the bar to get more
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: women in. Like, surely you don't want more women in
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the military just for the sake of having more women
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: who can get shot and dead. If you have a war,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: you have a standard. If women make it fine.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Your spot on.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: And remember during the campaign, Andrew Hasty had this exact
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: He was called out by reporters where he literally said
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: he had to carry his eighty five kilo comrade and
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: their packs to be able to get his wounded soldier
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: off the front line. And this is what is expected
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: of the soldiers, and if a female wants to do
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: that position, then you've got to go through the same
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: rigorous training, but more so for your own protection, to
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: ensure that you are up to standard. But wasn't so
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: refreshing to listen to Pete haig Seth. I really enjoyed
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: everything that he said.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: There's more.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: I know that we're going to be sharing, but I
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: just thought it's great that he's standing up there. That
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: wokeness is not going to be tolerated. There's not a
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: place for it within the army, the DEI and all
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: of that sort of stuff. It's time to move on.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: And I hope that we can follow suit here.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: And this is the only gender neutral I like gender
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: neutral recruitment standards.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: You guys always talk about how we need to treat
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: people the same gender neutral everything. Okay, well let's have
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: the same standards to apply to everyone. On a similar note,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Pete haig Seth also railed against fat troops and fat generals.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Check it out.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Ing to look out at combat formations or really any
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: formation and see fat troops. Likewise, it's completely unacceptable to
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: see fat generals and admirals in the halls of the Pentagon.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: So whether you're an airborne ranger or a chairborne ranger,
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: a brand new private, or a four star general, you
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: need to meet the height and weight standards and pass
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: the PT tests.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Now, the women at the VIEW were outraged that he
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: would target fat people and say that is not okay.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: They said, the optics of this were terrible.
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: I'm actually really defuddled by why he did that. The
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: optics were terrible. Return to the highest male standard for
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: combat positions because the troops were fat. I don't understand
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: how that was supposed to be an uplifting message for
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: our military.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think it was supposed to be an uplifting
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: message for the military.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I think it was supposed to be a wake.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Up call that they need to be They are the
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Department of War.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: They've rebranded.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: They're going on the attack, and they need to be
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: able to defend the United States of America when we're
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: at war with China. No one's going to be going,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, but we just need another fat person
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: on the front lines. That would really help us so much. No,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: you need to win wars. This wasn't supposed to be
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: a pep talk. This was supposed to be a reality.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Check, which got one thing right. The optics sometimes are
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: not pretty good on fat people. And Joy Bihar as well,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: she's one of the other bread bags on this program.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: And you know she thinks this is the end of America.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: Every day it's every day is a shark and owe
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: here and I for one skeptical that we will survive this.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: What I'm skip, but.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: We're not going to survive it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: So the blokes they say, we need a strong military
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: so we could win a.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: War if we were in one, but we're not going
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: to survive.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: I know, so dramatic watching that vision, but not surprising.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: And I think when you are in the army, think
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: about how fit everyone used to be, and it's part
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: of their ability. It is key to be able to
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: go out and defend your country. But I think anyone
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: that's out there, you know, the police force, probably the same.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: If you've got to be running around and using your
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: body on the line, you want to be as fit
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: as you possibly can. Donald Trump also spoke quite glowingly
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: off the back of what Hegseth had to say and
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: said the same thing, you need to.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Be fit and it starts from the top. And this
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: is why I liked hag Seth's message. The generals aren't
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: immune from this either, because it is a cultural issue.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: If you have excellence the whole way through the ranks
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: of the defense force, you will be strong.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: But if there's a.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Sense that you've got the fat cats off the top.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Who are you're not fat cats? No, we can't have
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: fat cats.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Anymore, the thin catcher.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: If you've got them at the top who are not
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: up to sand and not up to scratch, well, what's
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: the incentive for the younger people coming through to meet
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: those standards? It erodes excellence. So I love Hagxeth.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Indeed, speaking of young people meeting standards very quickly before
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: we get to a break. A groundbreaking study from THEECD
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: says that kids learn better when they read books instead
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of using technology.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Who would have thought to.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It said that their comprehension skills have deeper comprehension and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: more engagement when they read it versus when they're looking
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: at a screen. I want to know how much money
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: we spent on that, to be told the bleeding obvious.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Yes, I know, and it's very much bleeding obvious. And
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: I know with my own children when they have their
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: iPads and they go, I don't need to write that
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: word because of the.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Predictive text does it for them, so.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: They don't learn to read or write using a screen.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: So true, Why would you want to write these days?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Get a fountain pin. Get a fountain pin and learn
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to write by hand. And it is actually a completely
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: different experience than you may actually enjoy writing by your kids.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Are fountain penny your grandkids, they might actually enjoy it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: After the break, we'll get into the papers on the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: front of the Herald Sun tomorrow just how bad things
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: are getting with the tobacco wall and the threats being
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: put upon innocent shops.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: And on the front of the.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Os the university that now has a majority of its
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: students coming from overseas. That more soon, Let's get into
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: tomorrow's news tonight here on the Lake Debate. Of course,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: we've got tomorrow's papers, as we do every evening on
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the Herald Sun tomorrow, Jamie, where they smoke this fire?
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a scary story. Caleb thug Law Country
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Store staff have lifted the lid on how an underworld
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: cartel is terrorizing small businesses. Their shop was hit by
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: a ramrey days after the owners ignored a chilling order
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: from crime kingping Chasm hamad, you have twenty four hours
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: to contact the commission on WhatsApp. Is what this handwritten
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: note left on the grocery's door read. This is frightening.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: So this is Hammad Chasm.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Hammad is one of the big players in the list
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of tobacco game and basically his boys go around Victoria
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: going to you know, convenience stores and tobacconists and whatever,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and they say you've got twenty four hours or forty
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: eight hours to pay up a large summer money. Normally
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: it's three to five grand, which is protection money. Otherwise
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: will come and five on your ram raid. And then
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: they basically force you, with the threat of being targeted,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to sell their illicit tobacco for them.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, what a great business model.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: It's so brazen though, Like that's what shocks me, the
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: fact that they feel like they can get away with
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: threatening small business owners and servo operators with being targeted
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: and attacked if they don't start selling illicit tobacco. I
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: mean that just shows you the state of the justice
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: system and policing in Victoria, where organized crime feels like
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: they have free rein to go and terrorize honest, hardworking
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: small businesses.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: It's just disgusting.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: It is extraordinary.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: I guess it goes back to the story we spoke
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: about yesterday. Three hundred thousand crimes were unsolved in Victoria,
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: so I can imagine these will all be part of that.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I've been banging on about this story for years, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I'm glad it's getting good traction now. But every day
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: there's just another story about how bad this has become,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: and I fear that it is now so bad that
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to get the genie back in the bottle.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Let's look at the front of the Australian tomorrow. Speaking
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of trying to get the genie back into the bottle,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: how about this University of Sydney's new equation International students
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: equal fifty one percent. Foreigners outnumbered Australian students at the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: nation's oldest university last year, with new figures revealing for
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the first time the magnitude of institutions reliance on revenue
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: from international enrollments. As universities Australia prepares to take its
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: biggest post pandemic delegation of university leaders to China this month.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Beyond campus, concentration of international students at almost every university
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: has been revealed in calculations produced for The Australian by
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the Federal Education Department. And if you have a look
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: on the front page there there is a graphic.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: It's probably a.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Bit small to see on your screen. But if you
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: pick up the odds tomorrow, the first one there is,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you said, which is fifty one percent. Then you've got
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: University of New South Wales forty six percent, Murdoch University
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: forty five.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Then you go all the way down an.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: US forty percent, University Queensland thirty nine percent, on and
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: on it goes.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: And the reliance now on.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Overseas students we know is huge, even though we're told
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: we're trying to cut down on them. When you have
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a UNI allegedly one of the most prestigious in the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: country and fifty one percent majority of their students are foreign,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: there is something wrong.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Who do you universities actually serve anymore? What is the
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: point of Australian universities. I think that's a serious question.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Where's a country have to answer, because clearly they've just
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: become multi billion dollar business that are going to use
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: international students for their own revenue, to hire more bureaucrats,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: to build more buildings, to create a bigger and bigger behemoth.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: But what value is that actually providing to Australians anymore?
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: The student experience is shot, the value of degrees is
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: going down. Our reputation at internationally is at stake because
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: people know this is a farce. And in some degrees
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: like it, it says two thirds of students are international.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is just nuts.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: You can see why they continue to take international students
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: when some of them are paying up to two hundred
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars for their degree. So it's certainly almost like
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: a cash cow for the universe.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's just the money printing machine. But hey, maybe
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: some universities should go bus, maybe their budgets should be
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: cut because there's a lot of waste and bloating there.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: But in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, our Island Dream brave
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: new bid to save working port and build thousands of
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: new homes. Business leaders to save Sydney Harbour's last working
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: port have unveiled stunning new plans to prove Gleebe Island
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: can continue maritime operations and still deliver thousands of homes
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: for the New South Wales government. Now Gleeb Island is
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: just on the west side of the Anzac Bridge as
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: you were leaving the city and this all started to
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: unfold after the rose Hill Racecourse housing plan fell over
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: and now Chris Minds is going, oh my gosh, where
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: else are we going to build thousands of houses in Sydney.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Well, this is one of them.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: But the problem is, as the article states, it's the
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: last working port in Sydney Harbor, so it is a
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: critical piece of infrastructure. Now they're looking at ways that
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: you could potentially have the port operating alongside housing. Good idea.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: I think it's a pretty bad I saw at the moment.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: So it'll be nicer for the area. But you have
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: to have that port. You can't get rid of it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they can get it to work.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Good on them.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's greater.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I'll fight the death to keep working fort in Sydney
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: and anyone who believes in climate change, by the way,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: or to be faring for a working port in Sydney,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: because if they don't have a working port here because
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: of course we're broadcasting in a Sydney then the ships
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: either have to go to Newcastle or Port Kimbler, where
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: you then put the gear on a truck and send
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: it into Sydney.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: So it's bad for the environment.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you if you don't have a working port
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: in Sydney, the only thing.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Is you know, it's all apartments.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And I know that people need places to live, but
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know people really want to live in dog boxes.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I get if they've got no choice, that's what they're
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: going to do, but is it really what people want.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Well, let's have a look at the front page of
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: the Courier mail, where trust in the cops falls. Only
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: one in two Queenslanders believe police treat people fairly. As
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: public trust in the service drops to its lowest in
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: a decade, just sixty eight point three percent have agreed
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: that police act professionally. I don't know about this.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It's it's pretty extort one in two queens Ander's bluepit.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: It I'm not surprised to some do. I reckon COVID
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: went a long way to destroying people's faith in police,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: which is unfit to some degree because they did a
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff at the behest of state premiers, etc.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: But it also speaks to probably why police forces are
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: struggling so much to get people to sign up, and
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: this has been a problem across the country because if
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the population doesn't trust the police, why would you want
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: to become a police officer?
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Correct?
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: And I think people also might be looking overseas at
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: places like the UK where you have police arresting people
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: because of social media posts. Is this really the best
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: use of resources? And then ultimately it just undermines trust,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: which is bad for everyone.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Indeed, on the front of the Northern Territory newsed tomorrow,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: VAD push progresses Voluntary sister dying laws will soon be
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: introduced to the Northern Territory Parliament, making a significant step
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: towards territories regaining the right to access end of life
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: choices almost three decades after they were stripped away. And
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: of course the territories do have the ability to do
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: that do it now. I think the Act has got
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: it and that was the trouble last time, of course,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: because the territories are a completely different legal setup and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: when they tried to do it. As the article says,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: thirty years ago the Faedial government stepped in and stopped
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: them from doing it. And you know, rather ironically, they're
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: one of the last jurisdictions left in the country where
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: they don't have it, having been the first that tried
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is something I think a voluntary
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: assist of dying is something that we should all have
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: access to.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: If you want.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: To go down that path, it's something that we should.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Have access to. Well, I think it's pretty sad.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: But in the Townsville Bullets and Tomorrow the headline is
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: I'm going to die. Speaking of dying, a Townsville man
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: with terminal prostate cancer had his diagnosis missed for two
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: years after Townsville University Hospital failed to follow up on
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: his referral. Now he's spending his final days fighting to
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: make sure it doesn't happen again. Now, this Townsville hospital
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: bungle has been unfolding for days now.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: But it's just heartbreaking, it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Is, indeed, And when you have human consequences like that,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: a man whose case should have been picked up, it
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: is just awful. After the break, the man who reckons
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: he's the love child of Queen Charles, Queen Charles quing
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Charles and Queen Camilla and his case against the Queen
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Saint government, and how do you feel about aluminium wine
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: bombs that's coming up? Well, well, well do we have
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: a doozy for you today, John Day to Day's entry
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: is Simon Duranti Day. He says that he is the
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: love child of King Charles and Queen Camilla. And he
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: went off to the police in Queensland because he was
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: most upset that people were posting on Facebook about his
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: lineage and his adoption and all this sort of business
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and putting documents online that disproved that he is actually
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: the love child of the King and Queen. And so
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: we went to the cops and said you must do
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: something about this, and the cops said no. So he
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: tried to soothe them and said that his human rights
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: had been denied and he needed a restoration of natural justice.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Funnily enough, the court said there was no case to answer.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: But if we get that photo back there of old Nix,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: what's his name, Simon de Andy Day next to the king,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: do we really think is he the love child of
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Charles and famili.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: A bit of resemblance.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: The eyes and the eyebrows. That's about it. But I
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: think he's a bit de lulu.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: But someone el lulu with zero salulu. Now, someone else
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: who is also rather delusional is someone who's called the
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: QAnon Shaman. He was an is pardoned by Trump after
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: he participated in the January sixth riots, but now he
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: has turned against Trump and is suing him for forty
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: trillion dollars, claiming he is the true commander in chief.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: The other people he've met his named in.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: His lawsuit the Federal Reserve, the National Security Agency, the IMF,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: the World Bank, the State of Israel, x T Mobile,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: and Warner Brothers Studios. So this is a far reaching
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: complaint that allegedly reads more like a manifesto than a
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: serious legal document. But with horns like that, I mean,
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: something's going on up there.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Forty trillion dollars.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: No one has forty trillion dollars. Where's where's he going
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: to get the forty trillion dollars from?
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: It's clearly a son and he says that the.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: US should only have two laws, the Bill of Rights
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: and the original US Constitution. Apart from that, go for
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: your life. I'll tell you what it sounds like a
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: fun experiment.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I'd love to see it.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: Well for wine drinkers, would you be having your drop
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: out of an aluminium wine bottle?
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: In Victoria, Brown Brothers have created the first ever aluminium
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: bottle now. They said they've done this as a way
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: to reduce carbon emissions from mass glass production and transport.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: And these aluminium bottles are forty percent lighter than the
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: glass equivalent and you can exchange it for ten cents
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: at a recycling center. I don't know. Is it going
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: to take a little bit of time to get wine
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: drinkers to move away from a glass bottle and instead
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: drink out of aluminium.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Something about it just doesn't seem right.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, but there's something to the glass with
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: like keeping it air tight sealed. The way you store
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: wine makes a difference indeed, So how will this impact
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: the flavor?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: There's an argument though that it could actually be better
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: because there's no light getting in, So if you're storing
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: long term, maybe it would be I haven't looked into
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the specifics of what I mean he does to wine
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: over the long term, but I don't know. You can
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: get wine in a can now just doesn't seem quite right.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: To me, I'm going home to have wine out of
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a glass firal. Thank you very much, thanks for watching
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: NIXT to me, depending on the show.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: With that