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Belichick’s UNC Experiment Could Get WORSE, Russell Wilson Considering TV, Jaguars DEFEND Travis Hunter + NFL Offseason Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume What is going on everybody, John Middlecoff Three
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Speaker 1: and Out podcast? How are we doing my people? Hopefully
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Speaker 1: everyone's doing well out there in the real world. Today
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Speaker 1: we got to talk about Belichick because I saw a
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Speaker 1: quote from his former quarterback at North Carolina and I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I this thing could get worse. Russell Wilson's
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Speaker 1: gonna do TV, it feels like, and potentially not go
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Speaker 1: to the Jets. James Gladstone said that Travis Hunter is
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Speaker 1: still gonna be a two way player. We'll do some
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Speaker 1: mailbag questions at John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in
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Speaker 1: my dms. I also saw something with the NBA playoff games,
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Speaker 1: the way NBC has been kind of overlapping their games,
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Speaker 1: something the NFL has got to be careful with when
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Speaker 1: they're gonna try to get the most money possible in
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Speaker 1: these upcoming television contracts. So we got a lot going on,
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Speaker 1: in the world beside my family. And then you're right
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Speaker 1: behind him. But let's talk some football. Let's just start
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Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick, who, to put it bluntly, was a
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Speaker 1: disaster last year at North Carolina and his former quarterback, who,
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Speaker 1: in fairness, when I watched North Carolina play, did not
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Speaker 1: look like a good player. Did just transfer to Wake Forest? Who?
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Speaker 1: Jake Dicker, the former Washington State head coach, went to
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Speaker 1: Wake Forest last year, was on this podcast before the
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Speaker 1: season started. Went nine and four, which at Wake Forest
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Speaker 1: is pretty incredible. If you go nine and four, ever,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get extensions. But ge so transferred to the
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Speaker 1: Demon Deacons, and he had this to say about Bill
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Speaker 1: Belichick and the North Carolina football program. Back at the
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Speaker 1: other school, it felt like there was no air here.
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Speaker 1: It's fun again. They're moving us in the right direction, energized,
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Speaker 1: and guys are enjoying football. It's like fresh air. I'd
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Speaker 1: never had to respond to tough situations like that on
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Speaker 1: that loud of a scale discussing the differences between the
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Speaker 1: two programs, it was more like work. After that first game,
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Speaker 1: it felt like getting through the day. You don't want
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Speaker 1: to live like that, where you're up at night thinking
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Speaker 1: about the next day. Giving an example of what it
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Speaker 1: was like playing for Bill, you were ridiculed if you
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Speaker 1: didn't do exactly what he told you to do. You
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Speaker 1: could be at the line see the play that was
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Speaker 1: about to get blown up, but if you try to
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Speaker 1: call it off or make an audible you were ridiculed.
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Speaker 1: Now let me say this, I don't think good players
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Speaker 1: in college good. I don't think most humans worth their salt,
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Speaker 1: and I'm speaking for men. If you are an aspirational,
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Speaker 1: ambitious person at whatever you're doing, specifically football, mind getting
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Speaker 1: coached hard. There are viral videos every single year from
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Speaker 1: the University of Georgia with Kirby Smart on the loudspeaker.
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Speaker 1: There practice fields. I've never been there, but are clearly
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Speaker 1: on campus and there's black tarp on the fence so
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Speaker 1: you can't see in, but they're practicing right behind the student.
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Speaker 1: You know, students walk by and you could hear Kirby
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Speaker 1: just going nuts. MFN players MF and coaches. Signetti Saban
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Speaker 1: was legendary for these moments in practice. If you YouTube,
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Speaker 1: there's a great one is it Eddie Jackson. He is
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Speaker 1: just writing Eddie Jackson played in the league and made
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Speaker 1: a bunch of money. That's just that's the culture of football.
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Speaker 1: So no one is afraid or or no one is
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Speaker 1: unaccustomed to getting yelled at or even uncomfortable with that.
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Speaker 1: The problem is, let's use Kirby Smart for an example,
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Speaker 1: because Bill's big thing was and maybe he convinced me
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Speaker 1: a little bit. College football is a lot like the
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Speaker 1: NFL now. It's just full of transactions and paying players.
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Speaker 1: It's exactly what we did in the NFL. Well, there's
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Speaker 1: one major difference. You're coaching eighteen, nineteen, and twenty year olds,
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Speaker 1: and the wiring of a twenty eight, thirty, thirty five
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Speaker 1: year old is a lot different than an eighteen and
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old kid who just moved out of his
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Speaker 1: parents home, who's never cooked dinner for himself. You know what.
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Speaker 1: So the people that you are around and are coaching
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Speaker 1: from intellectual standpoint, from a brain development standpoint, from a
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Speaker 1: maturity standpoint, and definitely from a football IQ standpoint is
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Speaker 1: much different. Most guys aren't Caleb Downs that just show
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Speaker 1: up at eighteen years old and know everything is going on.
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Speaker 1: It's a bigger reason they like Ty Simpson coaches kid.
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Speaker 1: Most guys on your football team and one aren't coaches kids,
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Speaker 1: you know. So, I think Bill came into this thinking
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Speaker 1: I could just operate exactly like I've operated. Well, why
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Speaker 1: do you think that is? I don't know about you,
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Speaker 1: but most guys in their seventies i've met in my
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Speaker 1: life aren't big on change. And then if you factor in, oh,
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Speaker 1: they're a multi millionaire and they're extremely accomplished at their field,
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Speaker 1: do you think they're going to be open to making
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Speaker 1: drastic changes to their style? Warren Buffett didn't change Berkshire's
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Speaker 1: investment strategy in his seventies do all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: invest in startups. He stayed with exactly what he'd been
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Speaker 1: doing for the previous decades. That was their strategy to
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Speaker 1: be successful, and it always worked well. Bill Belichick goes,
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Speaker 1: I've been a part of six Super Bowl champions as
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Speaker 1: a head coach, I was part of two as an
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Speaker 1: assistant coach. I've been to countless other Super Bowls and lost.
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Speaker 1: I think my way works, and the reality of the
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Speaker 1: Patriot way is it was defined by one person. I've
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Speaker 1: never thought that Tom or Bill the credit chart, but
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Speaker 1: the reality is they were both interconnected because Tom allowed
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Speaker 1: Bill to ride him like he was an undrafted free
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Speaker 1: agent trying to make the practice squad, which is not normal.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Donald don't get coached, but they
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Speaker 1: don't get screamed at relentlessly, clearly like the way Tom
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Speaker 1: was treated. Because Tom was treated to set the tone
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Speaker 1: for the rest of the team, and he bought in.
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Speaker 1: He took it on the chin until he couldn't take
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Speaker 1: it anymore, and it worked. Well, that's not college. I
6:43
Speaker 1: remember at Fresno State during training camp, we would rent
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Speaker 1: out a water park, yeah, a water park that had
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Speaker 1: water slides. We would cancel practice like a week before
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Speaker 1: the season and grab a bunch of Tri tip sandwich
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Speaker 1: isn't Gatorade and spend hours there. And most of the
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Speaker 1: dudes on the team had the time of their life.
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Speaker 1: You know why, because they're nineteen years old, And if
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Speaker 1: you do that in the NFL, they'd be like, can
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Speaker 1: I just go home to see my wife? Can I
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Speaker 1: just go home to see my four year old? College
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Speaker 1: football is a different beast. Also, when you factor in,
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Speaker 1: none of these guys are under long term contracts, so
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Speaker 1: when you sign a free agent or you draft a player,
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Speaker 1: he can't just pick up and leave at the end
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Speaker 1: of the season. Because I think it's safe to say
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Speaker 1: there are players for the Patriots who, if they weren't
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Speaker 1: under contract, would have left before their contract ended or
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Speaker 1: use that as leverage to get more money. I was
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Speaker 1: thinking about Kirby Smart though, back to him screaming at
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Speaker 1: people is I've always been a believer that in college football,
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Speaker 1: where you're from matters because the culture and the wiring
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Speaker 1: of the people that you need to fund your program,
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Speaker 1: and if you're in a big school, the area in
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Speaker 1: which you recruit from needs to resonate. It's why Pete
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Speaker 1: Carroll from the West Coast, who went to college on
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Speaker 1: the West Coast, I think he had a lot of
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Speaker 1: success at USC because I think culturally he fit right in.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Tedford, who coached at Oregon, played at Frosno State,
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Speaker 1: crushed at the University of Berkeley. Why West coast guy
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Speaker 1: understands the people urban Meyer's somewhat of an outlier, right,
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Speaker 1: He's not from Florida, he's not from the South went
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Speaker 1: to Florida and had success. But I would say typically
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Speaker 1: the Dabos, the Kirby's, the jim Bo's, and obviously the
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Speaker 1: Nick Saban. When you look at guys who have won
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Speaker 1: national championships are from the general area, give or take
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Speaker 1: a state, and understand the wiring of the people that
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Speaker 1: surround that program. Kirby Smart isn't part of the culture
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Speaker 1: in the South. He is the culture. Born in Alabama,
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Speaker 1: went to Georgia, coached Atbama. Now at Georgia. He's won
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Speaker 1: six national championships as an assistant and a head coach
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Speaker 1: since twenty ten. I didn't look it up, but I
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Speaker 1: would guess eight SEC championships. He's probably been to ten
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Speaker 1: just as an assistant or a head coach. So when
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Speaker 1: he looks at the guy and he's screaming at him
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Speaker 1: on the practice field, they know this. Not only does
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Speaker 1: he know how to win in the SEC, he knows
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Speaker 1: how to win the national championship. So when Bill is
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Speaker 1: screaming at these guys who are clearly not as talented,
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Speaker 1: because his roster is not Miami, it is not Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: it is not Oregon. He doesn't have that level of
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Speaker 1: talent in college football, unlike the pros, where the margin
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Speaker 1: of era isn't that big, the majority of the games
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Speaker 1: are one score going into the fourth quarter. A lot
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Speaker 1: of the time are defined by the coaches. The players
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Speaker 1: got to make plays, but it's the play calls. It's
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Speaker 1: the exes and the o's or in college we typically
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Speaker 1: break down the x's and the o's more in the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: When it's Miami versus Indiana, when's Indiana against Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: Right when it's Oregon against Texas Tech, then the play
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Speaker 1: calls matter. But when Oregon is playing Rutgers, or Ohio
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Speaker 1: State is playing Maryland, or Bama is playing Mississippi State,
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Speaker 1: it typically doesn't matter as much. Why because the Jimmies
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Speaker 1: and the Joe's are so much better. The play calls
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Speaker 1: don't mean shit. So Bill's great advantage is his mind,
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Speaker 1: is his schematics. But if he doesn't have the players,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And if he can't relate to younger people.
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Speaker 1: He's not from the South, he's not from the North
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Speaker 1: Carolina area. He's from the Northeast. He's a grumpier individual
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Speaker 1: who only knows one way to coach, and that's to
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Speaker 1: ride guys till the wheels fall off. And at New
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Speaker 1: England they usually figured it out. They led by Tom
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Speaker 1: Brady and other good players. It worked. It's not gonna
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Speaker 1: work in college because it doesn't work in college. And
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Speaker 1: if you are gonna ride guys like Bill does, because
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Speaker 1: Kirby rides guys, Saban Road guys, Signett's riding guys, you
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Speaker 1: could coach guys hard Urban clearly did. You better not
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Speaker 1: only have the best players, but they better know. I
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Speaker 1: know he knows what he's doing. Look at all the
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Speaker 1: guys he's had drafted. Because at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: Bill telling some guy. In two thousand and five, I
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Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl with Mike Vrabel as my starting linebacker.
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Speaker 1: What I was born in two thousand and five, Hell,
11:17
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, we made another I was ten years old.
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Speaker 1: So times do kind of matter. We love talking about
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. There's a large percentage of humans on this
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Speaker 1: earth that not only never saw Michael Jordan play, like,
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Speaker 1: don't know much about him at all. I don't mean
11:34
Speaker 1: like they've probably heard the name the shoe brand. It
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Speaker 1: was like John Madden. When I grew up, I didn't
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Speaker 1: know John Madden. Coach has knew him as a TV personality.
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Speaker 1: So Bill screaming at guys and doing what he does
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Speaker 1: on guys, making it really difficult, making them know a
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Speaker 1: million things. One that doesn't really work in college, especially
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Speaker 1: when you don't have the best players, and two like
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Speaker 1: you gotta lighten up a little bit. You know, this
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Speaker 1: is like I would imagine if you went to a
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Speaker 1: how Nick Saban did movie night before every game. I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty sure his whole career at Alabama. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if everyone they watched a movie as a team. Now,
12:12
Speaker 1: that's not exactly going to the water park, but it's
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Speaker 1: like you're dealing with kids. So this Belichick experiment, and
12:20
Speaker 1: it's not even about the messenger, it's just, yeah, did
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Speaker 1: you think he was gonna go there and be a
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Speaker 1: different human being? Especially if things weren't going right. Let's
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Speaker 1: face it. If Bill Belichick was a pitcher who once
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Speaker 1: threw ninety nine miles an hour, he's currently thrown about
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Speaker 1: eighty two and his stuff hasn't worked now for a while.
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Speaker 1: And one thing proved once his coaching staff kind of
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Speaker 1: fell apart and Josh left him. His offense was a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: I mean this year he hired Bobby Petrino, who knows
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Speaker 1: what he's doing, but is also not mister touchy feely,
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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure. In their program, they have a
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Speaker 1: lot of people smiling. One thing that jumps out to
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Speaker 1: me constantly about seeing Matt Patricia in interviews at Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: any clips that come out of Ohio State. Seems like
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Speaker 1: he's in a great frame of mind. Now I would
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Speaker 1: be too if I knew that every single year, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna have three or four first round picks and countless
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Speaker 1: second and third first round picks on my defense. But
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Speaker 1: he realizes like being a dick and being an a hole,
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Speaker 1: which he clearly was when he was in Detroit that
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Speaker 1: made everyone want a jump ship is not gonna work here.
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Speaker 1: We will fail if I act like this. And it
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Speaker 1: feels like he dramatically changed, you know. Josh McDaniels had
13:38
Speaker 1: Dan POMPEII write this long article after a couple of
13:44
Speaker 1: years after the Indianapolis thing, when it was clear he
13:46
Speaker 1: was gonna be willing to take another head coaching job,
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Speaker 1: and it was about how he journaled, you know, looking
13:51
Speaker 1: in the mirror, how he had to change. And then
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Speaker 1: he got another shot at the Raiders and he was
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Speaker 1: exactly the same. A lot of humans do not change, ah,
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Speaker 1: and I would imagine is much more difficult when you're
14:04
Speaker 1: wired to do things a specific way and you naturally
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Speaker 1: have some asshole dick in you to just be a
14:10
Speaker 1: more smiley guy. That's not how it works. And if
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Speaker 1: you have the right players, if you have if you're
14:16
Speaker 1: in the right situation, it's not gonna matter. Right. But
14:20
Speaker 1: if I put you with a team that is not
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Speaker 1: nearly as good, it's gonna blow up in your face.
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Speaker 1: So this Belichick North Carolina thing I think could be
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Speaker 1: even worse this year. One thing I've never understood is
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Speaker 1: TV executives when it comes to hiring people in sports,
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Speaker 1: they love hiring just the most famous player, which I get.
14:46
Speaker 1: TV's different than the medium I'm in, right, I by
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Speaker 1: no means I'm like some great looking guy that you
14:52
Speaker 1: would see on some like love series on one of
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Speaker 1: these streamings on Netflix. Right, I'm not some Hollywood actor here.
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Speaker 1: So I get part of TV is to have good
15:03
Speaker 1: looking people involved. But part of sports, especially you know,
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Speaker 1: when it comes to football, like I want to hear
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on what's going on. It's why, Like I
15:12
Speaker 1: respect JJ Watt a lot. But when he comes out
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Speaker 1: and says like, part I told these guys like I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna call games, I'm never gonna be the guy criticizing players,
15:20
Speaker 1: It's like, well, your job is kind of call the game.
15:22
Speaker 1: You don't just have to criticize guys to, you know,
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Speaker 1: be Skip Bayless. But if stuff is going wrong coach
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Speaker 1: or player, Like there's millions of people sitting on their couch.
15:32
Speaker 1: Football is the biggest sport in America by a mile.
15:34
Speaker 1: We all kind of know what's going on. Like I
15:36
Speaker 1: don't need the cover two broken down on a down
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Speaker 1: in down out basis. I kind of just want to
15:41
Speaker 1: hear like that was crazy and be willing to say
15:44
Speaker 1: it when it comes to something that we're all thinking.
15:47
Speaker 1: And that's why I think Troy Aikman is really kind
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Speaker 1: of re established himself because he can just be critical.
15:52
Speaker 1: Why because it's football. That's part of the that's part
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Speaker 1: of the job. And Russell Wilson was quoted recently the
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Speaker 1: Jets made him an offer to be one of their quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: I think, to be their backup quarterback, which is kind
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Speaker 1: of ironic because Geno Smith once backed up Russell Wilson
16:10
Speaker 1: and now, Russell Wilson's in a backup Geno Smith, which
16:14
Speaker 1: would just be a disaster waiting to happen, not because
16:17
Speaker 1: like something personal between the two, but just those two
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Speaker 1: guys in your quarterback room, which might be what they're
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Speaker 1: looking for. So it leads them to a top quarterback
16:25
Speaker 1: in this draft, as long as some of these quarterbacks
16:27
Speaker 1: in this draft go on to play really well, which
16:30
Speaker 1: you never know on a yearly basis. But Russell Wilson said,
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Speaker 1: the Jets made me an offer, but I'm weighing options
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Speaker 1: between television and the New York Jets, which I don't
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Speaker 1: blame him, Like, wait, I could make millions of dollars
16:43
Speaker 1: doing TV or play for the Jets. I've already accomplished everything.
16:46
Speaker 1: My career is going the wrong way. Wouldn't blame him
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Speaker 1: at all doing TV. But putting Russell Wilson in a suit,
16:52
Speaker 1: which I get it. He's a good looking dude, Like
16:54
Speaker 1: you just put him on TV. He's gonna look. He
16:55
Speaker 1: looks the part. But what about the stuff coming out
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Speaker 1: of his mouth? Because if you removed the comments that
17:01
Speaker 1: the back and forth he had with Sean Payton a
17:03
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, which I would venture to say
17:06
Speaker 1: any human being, whether you're confrontational or non confrontational, whether
17:11
Speaker 1: you're a big talker not a big talker, if someone
17:13
Speaker 1: is specifically talking shit about you, the easiest thing in
17:17
Speaker 1: life is to just defend yourself. So I don't even
17:21
Speaker 1: count that. Defending yourself is not like taking a hardcore stand.
17:25
Speaker 1: But other than that, Russell Wilson has said the most bland,
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Speaker 1: generic comments over the course of his career with a
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Speaker 1: microphone in front of him. Is anyone shocked that Charles
17:36
Speaker 1: Barkley became the biggest television personality in the history of basketball?
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Speaker 1: Of course, not he was like that as a player.
17:43
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp's a big great example. Is it crazy that
17:47
Speaker 1: Shannon's got big opinions and willing to say whatever? He
17:50
Speaker 1: was like that when he played for the Denver Broncos. Now,
17:53
Speaker 1: not everyone is a crazy personality like the Tom Brady move.
17:57
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say one he is so,
18:00
Speaker 1: and two there were business connections there that Fox made
18:03
Speaker 1: a bold move and he had to dramatically improve. And
18:06
Speaker 1: he's never gonna be a guy that says crazy stuff.
18:08
Speaker 1: He's gonna tend to lean on pretty corporate, which I
18:11
Speaker 1: don't love, Like I wish Tom would talk like he
18:13
Speaker 1: did in the locker room, but because I know Tom
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Speaker 1: talks like that. The one thing with Russell Wilson, everyone
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Speaker 1: that plays, that's just how he is. He's like that
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Speaker 1: all the time, never gives you anything. Even Marshawn Lynch
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Speaker 1: I saw it, said on his podcast like a year ago,
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Speaker 1: that like he wanted to come to his birthday party
18:27
Speaker 1: and Russell's like, hit my people. He said, Russell, I'm
18:29
Speaker 1: your teammate, I have your number. Can I just can
18:31
Speaker 1: I just text you? And I just I don't get it.
18:35
Speaker 1: You know, this is when I was a kid. Joe Montana,
18:38
Speaker 1: emmittt Smith. Uh, some of these guys, there's like these
18:42
Speaker 1: yeah they're really famous, but they're not good on television.
18:45
Speaker 1: That's not gonna be their skill set. It's like we
18:48
Speaker 1: got Russell Wilson on a desk to say nothing, Like
18:52
Speaker 1: I just I would much rather have a way lesser
18:56
Speaker 1: known player who doesn't give a shit and who's just
19:00
Speaker 1: gonna let it rip. You know, people get on the
19:03
Speaker 1: Kelsey's for being overexposed. At least they're willing to talk.
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Speaker 1: At least they're willing to say some stuff that's all
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Speaker 1: I want just be willing to say. But now all
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Speaker 1: these guys who are borderlined as corporations are never willing
19:17
Speaker 1: to ruin anything, any business deal they have because they're
19:21
Speaker 1: just like one corporate entity. As a human being, I
19:24
Speaker 1: think Russell Wilson on television would be a nightmare. I
19:27
Speaker 1: remember when when Drew Brees first got hired. I'm like, true,
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Speaker 1: I get it, you're a really famous Player're gonna go
19:32
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame one day. You're putting me
19:35
Speaker 1: to sleep here. And I thought when he came back,
19:37
Speaker 1: he was much more aggressive and just willing to kind
19:40
Speaker 1: of let it fly a little bit. You're no longer
19:42
Speaker 1: as a player. You really have one goal, right to
19:45
Speaker 1: do everything humanly possible to win, whether that's with your coaches,
19:48
Speaker 1: your teammates. You're just singular focused. When you're on television,
19:51
Speaker 1: it's we're paying the bills. The consumer, you know, like
19:55
Speaker 1: entertain us, and you know the game's naturally gonna entertain us.
19:58
Speaker 1: But if I'm watching a studio show, I don't think
20:01
Speaker 1: he's that great on television. I think, you know, relative
20:04
Speaker 1: to hype. But I understand hiring Rex Ryan to put
20:07
Speaker 1: on television or Randy Moss because historically those guys didn't
20:12
Speaker 1: give a bleep. They would say whatever whenever. Then sometimes
20:16
Speaker 1: you watch him, I was like, God, I wish you'd
20:17
Speaker 1: let it rip a little more. But I totally understand
20:20
Speaker 1: the hiring of those human beings. If this guy's hired
20:24
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20:31
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Speaker 1: There's been conflicting reports because there was a report out
22:45
Speaker 1: before the draft. I think we talked about it on
22:47
Speaker 1: the show that Travis Hunter was just gonna focus on corner.
22:50
Speaker 1: Then I think Liam Cohen a couple weeks ago kind
22:54
Speaker 1: of pushed back against that, and Gladstone came out and
22:57
Speaker 1: said that is not true. He's gonna play both ways.
22:59
Speaker 1: He's just primarily gonna focus on corner, which I think
23:03
Speaker 1: they're setting themselves up because they don't want Travis to
23:06
Speaker 1: not be fully invested. And we're still gonna get some
23:08
Speaker 1: wide receiver packages because when you draft a guy two
23:12
Speaker 1: overall and you give up a first round pick, you're
23:15
Speaker 1: expecting them to be Otani. The problem is is if
23:18
Speaker 1: Otani was a football player, he would essentially be justin
23:22
Speaker 1: Jefferson mixed with Patrick Sirtan. If he was Travis Hunter,
23:27
Speaker 1: he would be the most talented guy at both positions.
23:31
Speaker 1: That's not the case with Travis. And as Harbaugh said
23:34
Speaker 1: last year, there are not enough this John Harball notough
23:38
Speaker 1: hours in the day to do this, because of course
23:40
Speaker 1: they're not. It's too difficult. And if you're gonna play
23:43
Speaker 1: full time corner in the NFL every single week, you're
23:47
Speaker 1: gonna be going up against swede dudes to just think
23:50
Speaker 1: about his own division. Think about Travis Hunter, if he's
23:54
Speaker 1: just their starting corner. Well, week one you're playing the Colts, Well,
23:57
Speaker 1: they just gave Alec Pearce, will a give them a
23:59
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Most people don't even view him as
24:02
Speaker 1: like some elite player. The Titans, they just drafted Carnel Tate,
24:08
Speaker 1: number four. Overall, we don't like, I would imagine it's
24:12
Speaker 1: gonna be decent. The Houston Texans, Oh, they got this
24:17
Speaker 1: guy named Nico Collins. He's built like an NBA player.
24:21
Speaker 1: Good luck. I'm not even counting the Jamar Chases and
24:24
Speaker 1: the Ze Flowers and the DK mechan Every single week
24:27
Speaker 1: you're going up against a dude all different shapes and
24:31
Speaker 1: sizes and they all can bowl. So you're also gonna
24:34
Speaker 1: try to like learn the offensive install because the best
24:38
Speaker 1: corners certain Sauce, Gardner, you name it. You go around
24:43
Speaker 1: the Christian Zalas. All they do all week is focus
24:46
Speaker 1: on the offense, the tendencies, the play calls, the individual
24:50
Speaker 1: opponent the multiple wide receivers that they might see, the
24:54
Speaker 1: quarterbacks tendencies, the play callers Tennessees. That's what they spend
24:57
Speaker 1: their fifty sixty seventy hours just prepared hering for the
25:00
Speaker 1: game on and off the field. And you're gonna try
25:02
Speaker 1: to do both. I don't think it's possible, and I
25:06
Speaker 1: think the best case scenario because no one wants to
25:10
Speaker 1: look like an idiot. No one wants to look like
25:12
Speaker 1: I regret making that move because the only reason you
25:15
Speaker 1: would trade up for a guy who wasn't an elite,
25:18
Speaker 1: elite prospect at either position is because he can do
25:21
Speaker 1: both things, which most of us I think agreed, like
25:24
Speaker 1: that's probably not gonna be possible in the NFL is
25:27
Speaker 1: to kind of keep playing this game. If you just
25:30
Speaker 1: make them like a Pro Bowl corner, that's a huge win.
25:34
Speaker 1: No one will talk about your pick. One thing I've
25:38
Speaker 1: noticed with the NBA is they signed this massive television
25:42
Speaker 1: deal right which has been by all accounts a disaster
25:46
Speaker 1: for NBC, who's losing money because they gave billions of
25:49
Speaker 1: dollars and the average NBA game, I mean, they knew
25:53
Speaker 1: what they were buying, but they just the price of
25:55
Speaker 1: Live Sports is really valuable. They wanted in on the product,
26:00
Speaker 1: and they obviously paid a lot to control the playoffs.
26:04
Speaker 1: Well for my recollection, and I lived doing this job
26:10
Speaker 1: and when I had in my other podcast, we did
26:12
Speaker 1: a lot of Warriors. Playoff games were always staggered, right,
26:17
Speaker 1: once you got in the first round, you got a
26:18
Speaker 1: lot of games. But once you get to the second
26:20
Speaker 1: and third round, especially the second round, you get two
26:23
Speaker 1: two two two. Right, you get two games a night,
26:26
Speaker 1: and one game on the East Coast would start at
26:29
Speaker 1: four four thirty and the other game would start, depending
26:33
Speaker 1: on the time zone, six thirty seven, seven thirty, So
26:37
Speaker 1: one game would end, the other game would start. Obviously,
26:41
Speaker 1: if the early game went to like triple overtime, maybe
26:44
Speaker 1: the other game would have to tip off. But for
26:46
Speaker 1: the most part, one game ends, the other game starts.
26:49
Speaker 1: That's how it's always worked. Well, I've noticed in the
26:52
Speaker 1: last couple of nights is last night the Piston's Cavaliers
26:58
Speaker 1: started on Peacock and then the Lakers game, which is
27:03
Speaker 1: by far the biggest brand with the Knicks left in
27:05
Speaker 1: the playoffs and something that you would want in a
27:07
Speaker 1: primetime spot. One game started at four, the other one
27:10
Speaker 1: started at five point thirty like this didn't happen. I
27:15
Speaker 1: don't even blame NBC. I wouldn't won the Laker game
27:18
Speaker 1: starting at six thirty seven o'clock if I could play
27:21
Speaker 1: them in a primetime slot so I can get the
27:23
Speaker 1: East Coast and the West coast people to watch. I'm
27:26
Speaker 1: doing that as well. But when you sell out for
27:30
Speaker 1: tons of money, you don't have as much juice to
27:33
Speaker 1: dictate what they do. Now the NFL is a little
27:37
Speaker 1: bit more unique right the game times, you know, Thursday
27:40
Speaker 1: and Monday now that there's no doubleheaders or standalone games.
27:44
Speaker 1: But clearly they have been not shy about talking about
27:49
Speaker 1: a new television deal and shattering financial records to up
27:54
Speaker 1: the revenue for the league, which is a good thing
27:56
Speaker 1: for everybody. The players benefit, the coaches benefit. Scouts don't
28:00
Speaker 1: really somehow they don't make that much money relative to
28:02
Speaker 1: these to the other coaches, but financially, if you work
28:07
Speaker 1: your way up, you will benefit as well, and obviously
28:10
Speaker 1: the owner's benefit. But if I give you an ungodly
28:13
Speaker 1: amount of money, what if I want to do things
28:16
Speaker 1: a little different from a time slot standpoint to maximize
28:20
Speaker 1: the ratings, And that's where I think the NFL could,
28:23
Speaker 1: just if they're paying attention, have some hardcore stipulations because
28:27
Speaker 1: unlike Adam Silver, if he was gonna get that amount
28:30
Speaker 1: of money, which I'll give him credit, no one thought
28:32
Speaker 1: he would get. I definitely think you're gotta three x
28:34
Speaker 1: your media deal when your TV ratings were down, a
28:37
Speaker 1: lot of props made a lot of people a lot
28:39
Speaker 1: of money. Players are making historic cash, right, some of
28:42
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna be making seventy million dollars a
28:44
Speaker 1: year and a couple of years. Unless your name is Wemby,
28:49
Speaker 1: you know, one of the top three or four guys,
28:51
Speaker 1: I'd argue you're stealing because you're definitely not generating the
28:54
Speaker 1: eyeballs or generating the revenue for the league, and the
28:57
Speaker 1: television partners are losing money. But that's on them, the
29:00
Speaker 1: player fault. I think that the league's got to be
29:03
Speaker 1: very careful about signing historic amounts of money, because if
29:06
Speaker 1: I give you a historic amount of money, like what
29:07
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Yell at me, like take the
29:09
Speaker 1: check and shut up, like it's part of the business partnership.
29:12
Speaker 1: I buy it and then I do what I want
29:13
Speaker 1: with it. So I think It's gonna be very, very
29:16
Speaker 1: fascinating how the future of the league works, because what
29:21
Speaker 1: if TV or the streamers have some different ideas with
29:25
Speaker 1: where they want to play some of the games where
29:27
Speaker 1: we have always been accustomed to write ten am kickoff,
29:31
Speaker 1: a one pm kickoff, one night game on Thursday, Sunday
29:35
Speaker 1: and Monday. It's definitely something to keep an eye on
29:38
Speaker 1: because they just kind of hit me with the amount
29:40
Speaker 1: of money that's getting thrown around now in the billions
29:44
Speaker 1: upon billions upon billions of dollars that people are uncomfortable paying,
29:49
Speaker 1: but they know they have to pay it because they
29:50
Speaker 1: know these they need the life rights because that's really
29:52
Speaker 1: the only thing most humans watch. I'm gonna do what
29:57
Speaker 1: I need to do on my end to try who
30:00
Speaker 1: had minimum break even, let alone attempt to make some
30:02
Speaker 1: money from this, So, uh, something to keep an eye
30:05
Speaker 1: on there. I saw Golden Tempo, the horse that came
30:08
Speaker 1: from last place, and one the Kentucky Derby is not
30:12
Speaker 1: gonna be in the Preakness. So we got horses now
30:16
Speaker 1: load managing. Now I get it. I think the Preakedness
30:18
Speaker 1: is a shorter track. Not not a horse guy, but
30:21
Speaker 1: I know enough about the uh, you know, the Triple
30:24
Speaker 1: Crown kind of sucks. You win the Kentucky Derby and
30:27
Speaker 1: you're not even gonnattempt for the Triple Crown. It's like,
30:29
Speaker 1: is the horse hurt? No, Just just being safe like
30:33
Speaker 1: that sucks. Definitely gonna take away from the buzz for
30:36
Speaker 1: the Preakness if you were watching too. I turned it
30:39
Speaker 1: on right as they were loading the horses. It's always
30:41
Speaker 1: my favorite part, as like there's two horses. There's one
30:44
Speaker 1: that's gonna race and there's the other one kind of
30:46
Speaker 1: guiding them, and there's always a couple that are just
30:48
Speaker 1: kind of pissed off. One just did like a backflip.
30:53
Speaker 1: Luckily the jockey kind of jumped off, and then they
30:56
Speaker 1: had to yank all the horses out. I mean, I'm
30:58
Speaker 1: sure many of you were watching, but if you weren't,
31:00
Speaker 1: then the vet had to check the horse to make
31:02
Speaker 1: sure it was okay. Then they had to scratch the horse,
31:04
Speaker 1: and they had to reload all the horses. Tough sport,
31:08
Speaker 1: you know, tough sport, A lot of respect for those jockeys.
31:11
Speaker 1: Let's do a couple of mailback questions. You guys know,
31:13
Speaker 1: the drill needed to hop in the mail back at
31:15
Speaker 1: John Middcoff at John Middlecoff is the Instagram firing those
31:18
Speaker 1: DMS questions answered here on this little old podcast. We'll
31:22
Speaker 1: start with Matt Lions fan. We managed to get a
31:25
Speaker 1: new center in free agency, drafted a right tackle, and
31:29
Speaker 1: drafted an edge to compliment Hutch. We've revamped the old line,
31:33
Speaker 1: arguably the best left tackle in the league. Penay and
31:36
Speaker 1: a new oc are we officially back. I do think
31:39
Speaker 1: you could have like legit high hopes, you know, I
31:43
Speaker 1: think the mindset going into camp assuming health. You know,
31:46
Speaker 1: you got Branch coming off right a torn achilles. H
31:51
Speaker 1: Terry and Armstead had that thing where like his buddies
31:53
Speaker 1: were in town. Someone robbed him. It was an inside
31:56
Speaker 1: job and then they re robbed the guys back, but
31:59
Speaker 1: it was their own stuf. But they held him hostage.
32:02
Speaker 1: So well, have to see how that thing plays out.
32:05
Speaker 1: You guys got a lot of good players. If Laporta's
32:08
Speaker 1: back is good, you still got Gibbs, you got Pine Schul,
32:10
Speaker 1: you got Golf, you got am and Rah, you got Hutch,
32:13
Speaker 1: you got Jack Campbell, who they didn't pick up his
32:15
Speaker 1: fifth year option, but it was more because like the number,
32:19
Speaker 1: it didn't make financial sense. They'll probably extend him. You're
32:22
Speaker 1: just gonna need the DBS to play better and to
32:24
Speaker 1: stay healthy. So I think the Lions. I'm picking the Bears,
32:29
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't shock me at off the Lions won
32:32
Speaker 1: the division slow times. Get to this winever, where do
32:37
Speaker 1: you rank Lebron all time? It's a good question. I'm
32:42
Speaker 1: not a huge like try to act definitive about guys
32:47
Speaker 1: I didn't watch. So you can watch YouTube. You can
32:52
Speaker 1: see the stats clearly, the Wilt chamberlains, the Bill Russells,
32:56
Speaker 1: even Magic and Larry. Like I didn't watch Magic and Larry.
33:00
Speaker 1: They were basically retired by the time I was eight,
33:03
Speaker 1: So I don't feel that confident, like is this guy four?
33:06
Speaker 1: Is this guy six? Clearly they're four or five of
33:09
Speaker 1: the best players ever. Doctor j So in my lifetime
33:13
Speaker 1: nineties to now, I think he would have to be two.
33:16
Speaker 1: Michael would be one, A clear one for me, without hesitation,
33:20
Speaker 1: I would take Mike. I do think you could make
33:23
Speaker 1: an argument if I'm getting like from twenty one to
33:26
Speaker 1: thirty years old that I've seen in my lifetime, you
33:31
Speaker 1: could make the argument to take Shack. Because if I
33:34
Speaker 1: get Shack on my team from twenty one to thirty
33:36
Speaker 1: and do a good job building the thing around him.
33:38
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking dominate. Now. The game's changed a little
33:42
Speaker 1: bit with the three pointers, but even with the three pointers,
33:47
Speaker 1: he's a good passer bad to me. You could make
33:49
Speaker 1: the argument now if you just look at body of work,
33:51
Speaker 1: no one's ever gonna have the longevity of Lebron, So, like,
33:54
Speaker 1: how much credit do you give in the longevity at
33:57
Speaker 1: his peak? He's clearly one of the greatest players of
34:00
Speaker 1: all time. I would say the group of like Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Curry,
34:07
Speaker 1: you know, a cheam when I was really you know,
34:09
Speaker 1: when I was kind of coming into my own as
34:11
Speaker 1: a sports fan, was older, but was still dominating when
34:15
Speaker 1: they won a couple championships. I do think the special
34:19
Speaker 1: thing for Curry and Duncan you get them in your
34:23
Speaker 1: franchise and like Brady, you just build the franchise around
34:27
Speaker 1: them and coach them hard and everyone falls in line.
34:30
Speaker 1: Like the Patriot way. Curry and duncan bring that to
34:33
Speaker 1: the table. Like the one thing with Lebron, it's like
34:36
Speaker 1: every five years, if you're not, he's gonna you know,
34:41
Speaker 1: just it's gonna be a lot now when he's unreal
34:45
Speaker 1: it totally. I guess worth it, but it's still a pain,
34:48
Speaker 1: Like would I rather just be in business with Duncan
34:51
Speaker 1: or Steph. They're just a little easier to be in
34:53
Speaker 1: business with. You know where Lebron's demanding I trade every
34:56
Speaker 1: first round pick every single year. Just from a player standpoint,
35:02
Speaker 1: I think you would be crazy not say it was
35:04
Speaker 1: too the Eagles, they drafted you are Bernard and the
35:12
Speaker 1: seventh he's six four, three hundred thirty six Ince ran
35:15
Speaker 1: a four to six and six percent body fat for
35:17
Speaker 1: the mail Bag Eagles draft pick. What are your thoughts?
35:20
Speaker 1: Maybe explain the video of this freak on the podcast.
35:24
Speaker 1: I think they're just going back to the well. They
35:26
Speaker 1: had a bunch of success with Jordan Mylotta, who didn't
35:29
Speaker 1: know a first down from a touchdown and turned him
35:33
Speaker 1: into a Pro Bowl left tackle. I do think these
35:36
Speaker 1: picks because my wife actually brought it up. She must
35:39
Speaker 1: saw it on Instagram. It's not like easy, you know,
35:43
Speaker 1: you got We've talked about this before. You gotta have
35:46
Speaker 1: someone on staff working extra with him. He has to.
35:51
Speaker 1: You never know till the pads come on, which you
35:52
Speaker 1: don't learn un till training camp. You kind of gotta
35:56
Speaker 1: feel out, like you think you know the position and
35:58
Speaker 1: then you kind of maybe a different position. So the
36:02
Speaker 1: seventh round pick bad draft. I got no issue with it.
36:06
Speaker 1: But for every Jordan my Lot and there are gonna
36:09
Speaker 1: be a lot of guys that is just impossible to play.
36:12
Speaker 1: I do think when you have that physical profile, the
36:17
Speaker 1: only thing that no one knows Jordan my Lotta you
36:19
Speaker 1: kind of knew because he played rugby, is put him
36:23
Speaker 1: in the trenches. What's he looked like in the goal line? Drill? One?
36:26
Speaker 1: Just from can you keep your pads low enough and
36:28
Speaker 1: not stand up? It's just difficult. So I think it's
36:31
Speaker 1: a you can't have a bigger flyer never played football,
36:37
Speaker 1: went into this international program. I think I read in
36:40
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four he's from is it Nigeria? Small village?
36:46
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly just a freak. But I wouldn't bet
36:52
Speaker 1: on it working out. And I don't think the Eagles
36:54
Speaker 1: just spend some time. I think they'll kind of know
36:56
Speaker 1: early by the end of OTA's like, how much does
37:00
Speaker 1: this guy even can comprehend? Like, have we made any
37:05
Speaker 1: progress over the next month and a half or is
37:08
Speaker 1: this like a three year project? But I got no
37:12
Speaker 1: issue with a seventh round pick Nier's question, Let's be honest.
37:20
Speaker 1: The draft raise some eyebrows yearly fan meltdown. With all
37:25
Speaker 1: the stats talk that have been circling post draft, is
37:27
Speaker 1: there added pressure on or a slightly warmer seat this
37:31
Speaker 1: year for Kyle and John. I'm not always sure has
37:33
Speaker 1: more power when it comes to strategy in the draft.
37:36
Speaker 1: Lynches the GM, but they're always a clear choice. Is
37:39
Speaker 1: their running back? You never know in the draft, but
37:42
Speaker 1: they're clearly gone a different way and suffered from it.
37:45
Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll be eating my words next February. Just want
37:49
Speaker 1: to know your thoughts. I don't think either or obviously
37:53
Speaker 1: we're on the hot seat. I do think if this
37:56
Speaker 1: season these young guys from this class and definitely last
37:59
Speaker 1: year class do not make major impacts and look like
38:04
Speaker 1: core guys moving forward. Part of the way the Rams
38:06
Speaker 1: flipped it around is they had like two drafts that
38:09
Speaker 1: changed their franchise, and that was the forty nine ers
38:11
Speaker 1: mindset last year and clearly this year. Like they love
38:14
Speaker 1: stribbling that they love Keon Black. He was the second
38:18
Speaker 1: running back on their board, which everyone I talked to
38:20
Speaker 1: in the NFL thinks that's like are they on drugs?
38:24
Speaker 1: They think it's insane. Well, their running back coach is
38:29
Speaker 1: like seventy years old, he's been with the Shanahan family
38:31
Speaker 1: for decades. Who do you think made that pick? I
38:35
Speaker 1: have a hard time. I even saw the quote from
38:37
Speaker 1: their assistant GM about scribbling, and one of his first
38:42
Speaker 1: comments about the player was our coach loved him. And again,
38:46
Speaker 1: I'm pro stribbling, and I think most I've seen a
38:48
Speaker 1: lot of draft analysts that are two like, it's not
38:51
Speaker 1: a crazy pick, but it was the coach loved them.
38:54
Speaker 1: So it's like, Kyle, one thing I could see happening
38:57
Speaker 1: if these drafts are weird, Hey, Kyle, you don't get
39:00
Speaker 1: to make the draft picks anymore. We don't want your
39:02
Speaker 1: assistance running the draft board. That's not how a healthy
39:05
Speaker 1: organization works. So I I think it'll be a major
39:10
Speaker 1: major point of conversation. Like if training camp goes by
39:14
Speaker 1: and Black just gets cut, it's like everyone thought this
39:16
Speaker 1: guy was a fifth or six running back. Full this closure.
39:19
Speaker 1: I liked him. I mean, we all watched a lot
39:20
Speaker 1: of Indiana football this year. Solid player, third round. I
39:26
Speaker 1: understand a little bold to me though, if I was
39:31
Speaker 1: a fan and you're getting mad at drafts or whatever,
39:34
Speaker 1: like no one would care that this. Let's use the
39:38
Speaker 1: Steelers for an example, like they you know, should we
39:40
Speaker 1: have given so and so this much money? How much
39:42
Speaker 1: we invested in the defense. Those wouldn't be conversations if
39:45
Speaker 1: the Steelers will winning twelve thirteen games a year. Look
39:48
Speaker 1: at the Ravens they have one eight to nine year
39:50
Speaker 1: and the coach gets fired. So it's the NFL, man,
39:55
Speaker 1: you just you don't get many just free passes. I
40:00
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be an intense intense here, especially if
40:02
Speaker 1: Seattle in La are kicking ass. I'm a Bears fan.
40:07
Speaker 1: What do you think about the Bears draft? Thought we
40:09
Speaker 1: needed more D line help, but I like the the
40:11
Speaker 1: men pick, but didn't think we needed all the offensive
40:14
Speaker 1: players on Day two. This is the thing with picking
40:17
Speaker 1: for needs. You know, we need multiple defensive linemen. Colt
40:22
Speaker 1: Ballard heard this forever. We need a quarterback. What if
40:25
Speaker 1: I don't like any of the quarterbacks every round I pick,
40:29
Speaker 1: It's like the Bears. I would imagine he by far
40:33
Speaker 1: was the highest graded guy on their draft board. So
40:36
Speaker 1: if he's the highest graded draft guy on your draft board.
40:39
Speaker 1: Do ideally want to take a safety in the first round.
40:41
Speaker 1: Probably not, But if you do and the guy's good,
40:46
Speaker 1: he's your favorite player on the board, that's best player available.
40:50
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna have the best player available strategy,
40:53
Speaker 1: you can't be like, yeah, our best player available on
40:56
Speaker 1: the board is a tight end, but we need defensive linemen.
41:02
Speaker 1: They do need defensive linemen. To me, their key to
41:04
Speaker 1: success is gonna be the Oregon safety, the dude from Seattle,
41:09
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. They need Jalen Johnson to kind of get
41:12
Speaker 1: healthy and look like a pro bowler again. Then all
41:14
Speaker 1: of a sudden, their secondary looks dramatically better now in
41:18
Speaker 1: a weird way. Their defense wasn't good last year, but
41:21
Speaker 1: they had like a million interceptions that can be hit
41:23
Speaker 1: or miss year to year. But if you can cover people,
41:27
Speaker 1: your defensive line can look a little bit better. But
41:29
Speaker 1: who were they gonna take because Lawrence went you know,
41:33
Speaker 1: the Cowboys took him at twenty four. It's kind of
41:38
Speaker 1: a tough spot. I don't think you can just force
41:40
Speaker 1: defensive lineman to force defensive lineman if you don't like them,
41:42
Speaker 1: now you could argue, should they have been aggressive and
41:45
Speaker 1: moved way up in the in the second round because
41:50
Speaker 1: there was the run on defensive linemen. I think let
41:56
Speaker 1: me pull up the draft second round there was a
42:01
Speaker 1: run after like the first. Yeah, So the Bills took TJ.
42:06
Speaker 1: Parker thirty five, and then the defensive lineman started flying.
42:10
Speaker 1: Cad McDonald went thirty six. The Chiefs at forty took
42:15
Speaker 1: our Mason Thomas from Oklahoma. Cassius Howell from A and
42:19
Speaker 1: M went at forty one. Christian Miller, who a lot
42:22
Speaker 1: of people liked the DT from Georgia went at forty two.
42:26
Speaker 1: Jacob Rodriguez, the stud linebacker from Tech so a ton
42:30
Speaker 1: of front seven guys went really. Derek Moore the edge
42:33
Speaker 1: went to the Lions. Zion Young, who's a stud, went
42:36
Speaker 1: to I mean the Ravens drafts so well that they
42:39
Speaker 1: get two of like, I mean, they just get two
42:41
Speaker 1: plug and play starters. So by the time the Bear's
42:45
Speaker 1: pick at where's their pick? And they take the center
42:48
Speaker 1: from Iowa Illinois. D Linman, a lot of people liked
42:53
Speaker 1: jackets from Gabe Jackis went to New England. CJ. Allen,
42:58
Speaker 1: the middle linebacker went to I mean they just a
43:00
Speaker 1: lot of good defensive players came off the board that
43:03
Speaker 1: you know from linebackers. And the Cincinnati backer went, if anything,
43:07
Speaker 1: he wanted to be critical, should they have moved up?
43:10
Speaker 1: Should they have moved up once the run started? But
43:15
Speaker 1: if the Iowa center, like, one thing I would push
43:18
Speaker 1: back is what are the chances the Iowa center that
43:21
Speaker 1: the Bears drafted isn't a solid player. Most of the
43:25
Speaker 1: offensive linemen for Iowa just kind of plug and play
43:27
Speaker 1: and they're good. Long time listener Min, a Steeler fan, says,
43:44
Speaker 1: I was a kid I love the Black and Gold,
43:45
Speaker 1: so I got to defend my boys on this draft
43:48
Speaker 1: quote debacle. Well, I agree on the optics aren't great,
43:51
Speaker 1: and we clearly wanted Lemon, But why are re acting
43:54
Speaker 1: like the fallest sky is falling around the Steelers. Building
43:58
Speaker 1: in the trenches is preached as a necessity in the Steelers,
44:02
Speaker 1: and the Steelers did that by drafting a legit prospect. Also,
44:05
Speaker 1: the Steelers fixed their big mistake immediately the next day
44:08
Speaker 1: by trading up and getting Bernard in the second Alabama
44:11
Speaker 1: white out. I think he's a steel The rest of
44:14
Speaker 1: the picks field needs beside the reach for Aler I'm
44:17
Speaker 1: with you on the pick and the fourth that shit
44:20
Speaker 1: was crazy. I think the Alur pick was a little
44:22
Speaker 1: crazy too. I listen, I do not think Makai Lemon.
44:28
Speaker 1: I'm a little iffy on that player in general, like
44:31
Speaker 1: those type guys, you know, kind of the pookah mold,
44:35
Speaker 1: can be kind of risky when they come in the NFL.
44:38
Speaker 1: Like I thought that was honestly a little surprised the
44:42
Speaker 1: Eagles took him like he definitely wasn't. There were wide
44:45
Speaker 1: receivers in the second round I like more than him,
44:47
Speaker 1: especially when you factor in the value. So I by
44:50
Speaker 1: no means is some am some big Lemon guy. But
44:53
Speaker 1: they were like they wanted him. The Cowboys knew it,
44:58
Speaker 1: and you know, I think the offense lineman is viewed
45:01
Speaker 1: a little bit as a project, the Arizona State kid.
45:04
Speaker 1: But I'm with you. I'm never gonna crush you for
45:08
Speaker 1: taking an offensive lineman in the first round, right, even
45:11
Speaker 1: if the guy's a little bit of a project. I
45:12
Speaker 1: have no The Cowboys did it a couple of years
45:14
Speaker 1: ago with Guiden. Had no issue with it, none, But
45:20
Speaker 1: they didn't want him. That's my thing. They didn't want him.
45:23
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Bernard. A lot of people believe that
45:27
Speaker 1: he he's got a chance to be the stealer of
45:29
Speaker 1: the draft, especially in the second round. Like people like
45:32
Speaker 1: him a lot. So they need a quarterback who's gonna
45:37
Speaker 1: throw these guys at the ball. Big Wisconsin fan, here
45:39
Speaker 1: question for you, what happened to the Badgers. We did
45:42
Speaker 1: not have a single player selected in this year's draft.
45:45
Speaker 1: That hasn't happened since nineteen seventy eight. I can remember
45:50
Speaker 1: the days when we had first round offensive lineman, second
45:53
Speaker 1: round running backs, and solid defensive players drafted every single year.
45:57
Speaker 1: With the recent departure of Rad Fickle to be on
46:00
Speaker 1: the hot seat, I think that's a fair statement. It's
46:03
Speaker 1: why I thought it was so crazy that dan Orlowski
46:07
Speaker 1: when he used Ty Simpson's best drive of the year,
46:10
Speaker 1: it was against Wisconsin, Like this has got to be
46:14
Speaker 1: one of the least talented Wisconsin's teams I've ever seen,
46:16
Speaker 1: and clearly it was. I mean, show what's a drive
46:20
Speaker 1: that he did against Georgia. Showed me a drive that
46:23
Speaker 1: he had. LSU's defense was good, not Wisconsin. He's not
46:26
Speaker 1: playing any NFL players, might as well be no offense
46:28
Speaker 1: to Montana. Montana probably had more guys drafted. So I
46:33
Speaker 1: don't know much about your financial situation, but I've seen
46:36
Speaker 1: big Cat rain about this clearly the NIL I saw
46:40
Speaker 1: Bubba Cunningham. The unc AD was asked today, is a
46:45
Speaker 1: two million dollar wide receiver more important to the athletic
46:49
Speaker 1: program than the tennis program when it comes to men's
46:53
Speaker 1: and women's tennis? And he said, the uncomfortable answer is yes.
46:58
Speaker 1: If you want to win in football, you have to
47:00
Speaker 1: spend a lot of money. And they're in a conference
47:04
Speaker 1: with Ohio State, with Penn State, with Michigan, with Oregon, USC,
47:09
Speaker 1: these Pro Washington, these programs are spending a ton of
47:13
Speaker 1: cash Ton Nebraska, Indiana. I mean, you're just going up
47:19
Speaker 1: against in your own conference teams you're gonna play every
47:21
Speaker 1: single week that are spending way more money than you.
47:25
Speaker 1: I just don't believe. Clearly Fickle. I've heard some stories.
47:30
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think people love them in like
47:32
Speaker 1: the NFL community. You know, he's like Vrabel's best buddy,
47:36
Speaker 1: which is weird. Do you think he'd be like pro
47:38
Speaker 1: the NFL community. But I don't think he's great with
47:39
Speaker 1: the scouting community. He's kind of just a weird cat.
47:42
Speaker 1: He was really good at Cincinnati. There's no dispute in
47:44
Speaker 1: that crued a lot of good players and then it's
47:48
Speaker 1: just been a nightmare ever since. So I don't know.
47:50
Speaker 1: Am I crazy for saying the ram should have just
47:52
Speaker 1: drafted Aller in the third if they wanted a quarterback
47:55
Speaker 1: to sit behind Stafford. Aller is all the physical traits
47:58
Speaker 1: to be an elite quarterback, and if you went to
47:59
Speaker 1: a team like the Rams, I feel he could be
48:01
Speaker 1: better than Simpson. Lend on this quarterback guys and offensive
48:05
Speaker 1: coaches do not like quarterbacks that don't have a feel
48:09
Speaker 1: for the position. And when you watch Aler you kind
48:13
Speaker 1: of see a robotic guy play. It was kind of
48:16
Speaker 1: the knock on Carson Beck one thing I heard. Carson's
48:20
Speaker 1: really good. If like the pocket's clean, he can look
48:23
Speaker 1: like an NFL starter, But when he starts getting blitzed,
48:26
Speaker 1: when he starts getting pressure, when things start going poorly,
48:29
Speaker 1: kind of collapses. Aler to me is just hit or
48:32
Speaker 1: missed no matter what. And part of the reason they
48:35
Speaker 1: love Ty Simpson less than obviously sewn got on board.
48:39
Speaker 1: It's like his understanding of football, like you do watch
48:42
Speaker 1: I mean go through his progressions, his feel for the pocket,
48:45
Speaker 1: Like he's a very instinctive football player. Now is he
48:48
Speaker 1: physically gifted enough? Like if you put Ty Simpson's brain
48:52
Speaker 1: on and Drew Aller's body, you probably have the number
48:55
Speaker 1: one overall pick. But that's not the way it works.
48:58
Speaker 1: So to me, I think you gotta be careful about
49:02
Speaker 1: the Drew Holler types. I think I would have a
49:05
Speaker 1: philosophical belief in a draft room, we just don't ever
49:07
Speaker 1: mess with him. Well, if I think you have no instincts,
49:12
Speaker 1: that's kind of a deal breaker for me. I like
49:14
Speaker 1: instinctive players because you've been in college, especially at the
49:18
Speaker 1: highest level by then high school college, like you basic
49:22
Speaker 1: football instincts have kind of been determined, you know, like
49:25
Speaker 1: Shady McCoy, like his feel for being a running back
49:29
Speaker 1: had that from probably when he was like twelve. And
49:31
Speaker 1: if you don't have instincts, it's very hard, if not impossible,
49:35
Speaker 1: to be a good player in the NFL. So I
49:38
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, uh, But to me, Drew Aller
49:40
Speaker 1: probably would have been a no draft guy from my team.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone. Talk to you tomorrow. The volume