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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kf I
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  Speaker 1: Am six forty am six. Good morning, It is a
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  Speaker 1: Monday morning, March thirtieth. As we begin, well the non
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  Speaker 1: Handle on the News part of the show where it's
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  Speaker 1: after Handle on the news and I'll get the times correct.
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  Speaker 1: Just let me go ahead it well, thank you, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I do. You know this, this is
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  Speaker 1: a watch. This is why I get paid. And people
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  Speaker 1: are astounded that I get paid to do this. I
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  Speaker 1: mean stunned people actually pay you And I go, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they really do. And now shake my head too. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The No King's Rally, which happened on Saturday, and it
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  Speaker 1: was a you know, we'll rally against the president, drawing
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  Speaker 1: estimated eight million people. Now you don't get eight million
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  Speaker 1: people in one place. There were over thirty three hundred locations.
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  Speaker 1: And it was not just a anti Trump per se rally.
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  Speaker 1: It was also a pro democracy of their policy issues.
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  Speaker 1: Iran Epstein there was. It just went on and on,
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  Speaker 1: So you can't literally look at one issue. Remember the
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  Speaker 1: well you don't remember, but the anti Vietnam rallies that
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  Speaker 1: happened in the late sixties and early seventies. That was
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  Speaker 1: real simple. It was let's get out of the war.
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  Speaker 1: That was one message. These are basically we don't like Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they are, they are, but they're no king stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way they called it king. I get it.
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  Speaker 2: But he's no one's gonna he's not gonna be king.
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  Speaker 2: Well he's got a concern. Well, it depends. It depends
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  Speaker 2: on how you define king. It depends on how you
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  Speaker 2: define king.
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  Speaker 1: As I have said, oral sex is sex. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: that's not a king king depending on how good Monica
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  Speaker 1: Lewinski actually was as very king like. The point I'm
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  Speaker 1: making is Donald Trump has just literally is stretching the
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  Speaker 1: bounds of presidential power to where you say, this is
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  Speaker 1: the power of a king. For example, arbitrarily committing this
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  Speaker 1: country to war just on his own accord, even though
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  Speaker 1: the Constitution doesn't let him do that. That is very
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  Speaker 1: king like. And I think that's the argument.
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  Speaker 2: So he's the only one that has ever taken us
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  Speaker 2: into a situation that is warlike.
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  Speaker 1: That didn't go through Congress. Come well, certainly Congress agreed
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  Speaker 1: with it. When of this. Now after the fact, Congress
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  Speaker 1: came down and said it's okay. There were there was
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  Speaker 1: involvement of Congress. This one is pretty arbitrary. We haven't
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  Speaker 1: been to war since the forties. Officially, well that's official,
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  Speaker 1: but that is another thing. That's Congress. That's Congresses. That's
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  Speaker 1: Congress's fault allowing the president to do that. And they
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  Speaker 1: it's more and more and more and more now this
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  Speaker 1: time around with a majority. Uh, it's it's a given that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know why they why the president would
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  Speaker 1: even go to Congress because anything, any vote would give
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  Speaker 1: him the power to do it anyway. In any case,
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  Speaker 1: do you know that every single congressional district had a
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  Speaker 1: had a demonstration, My favorite one, West Palm Beach, a
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  Speaker 1: marchdown President Donald Trump Boulevard towards mar Alago and he
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  Speaker 1: was there too. Now, the White House and this is
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  Speaker 1: typical of what's going on. Uh, this is just the
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  Speaker 1: National Republican Congressional Committee. So it's not even the White House,
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  Speaker 1: it's just the National Republicans, the Spolkes and Mike Marinella
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  Speaker 1: uh said, this is all about Trump derangement therapy sessions.
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  Speaker 1: That's all this is and of interest only to reporters
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  Speaker 1: who are paid to cover them. The rest of the
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  Speaker 1: country didn't even pay attention to eight million people. It's
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  Speaker 1: just well, I don't know now the organizer's crowd count,
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  Speaker 1: and this is not verified, but they put the total
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  Speaker 1: of eight million people, topping the seven million estimated of
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  Speaker 1: the previous No King's Day. And that was in October,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the one I went to actually holding up
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  Speaker 1: a sign, and my thing was free press. I was
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  Speaker 1: the only one there that argued for a free press.
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  Speaker 1: And so there were mixed messages, certainly, and the only
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  Speaker 1: larger and this one, this was kind of a stunter
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  Speaker 1: of a stat The only larger single day protest ever
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  Speaker 1: held the United States was in nineteen seventy and that
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  Speaker 1: was the first Earth Day. And the number of people
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  Speaker 1: who participated twenty million people. We're at locations and environmental
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  Speaker 1: rallies and teachings. I mean, when you talk about those numbers,
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  Speaker 1: they're absolutely astronomical. Is it going to do anything? No,
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  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what this is doing, and that
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  Speaker 1: is this is a harbanger of things to come if
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  Speaker 1: it goes this way. And I was talking to Lindsey
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  Speaker 1: about this yesterday. What is going to happen, I think
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  Speaker 1: is towards towards the midterms, and if it's going the
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  Speaker 1: way it's going because President Trump's his popularity is diving,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's going downhill pretty quickly. You are going
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  Speaker 1: to see Republicans who heretofore said, this is the greatest
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  Speaker 1: president who ever lived. I will back him up no
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  Speaker 1: matter what he is, the country, he is, the constitution,
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  Speaker 1: just ask him. And there has never been a president. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna see them pulling back. Well, I don't agree
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  Speaker 1: with everything he said. Even though I like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of what President Trump has done, there are certain things
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  Speaker 1: I don't agree with. You're gonna hear a lot of that.
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  Speaker 1: And you may see Republicans just turning right around. In
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  Speaker 1: these really close races, you may see them just go
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  Speaker 1: the other way. And so I think that this says
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  Speaker 1: more in terms of a specific rally. It means more
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  Speaker 1: big term. I mean, there were some crazy stuff. Impeach him,
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  Speaker 1: come on, give me a break, you know, put him
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  Speaker 1: in jail. Oh stop it now, you just look stupid
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  Speaker 1: when you do that, you really do. All right, We're
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  Speaker 1: done with that. I wonder how many minorities were out
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  Speaker 1: of these things. It seems like a lot of white people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think so, I'm I don't know how many minorities
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  Speaker 1: were out there. It's a very good point. We should
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  Speaker 1: look at that, all right. Okay, a story about Kaiser
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  Speaker 1: that I want to share with you. And this was
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  Speaker 1: kind of a shocker because I'm a big fan of Kaiser.
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  Speaker 1: I joke about Kaiser killing you half the time. They don't.
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  Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, there are few things
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  Speaker 1: about Kaiser that are extraordinary. One is their cardio, certainly
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  Speaker 1: the cardio operating system, cardiovascular department. It's one of the
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  Speaker 1: best in the country. Also, neurosurgery is one of the
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  Speaker 1: best in the country. Matter of fact, when I had
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  Speaker 1: to replace my valve fifteen years ago and man, I
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  Speaker 1: was looking around, this is my heart we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: So I was prepared to go to any place, and
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  Speaker 1: I looked and looked, and virtually all roads led back
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  Speaker 1: to Kaiser. It's pretty good. Is considered the best HMO
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  Speaker 1: in the country as a model for HMOs. Well, guess what.
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  Speaker 1: In February, Kaiser paid five hundred and fifty six million
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  Speaker 1: dollars to settle allegations that it was pushing physicians to
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  Speaker 1: a new false diagnosis to their medical record. Because Kaiser
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  Speaker 1: gets a lot of money from the government too. A
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  Speaker 1: month later, it paid thirty million dollars to settle another
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  Speaker 1: case brought by federal investigators, this one involving claims that
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  Speaker 1: it did not provide and for years patients with adequate
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  Speaker 1: access to mental health care. And Kaiser settled that case
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  Speaker 1: without admitted wrongdoing. Bottom line, when any organization, entity, person,
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  Speaker 1: company settles the case for big dollars without admitting liability,
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  Speaker 1: guess what, Yeah, there's a without admitting fault. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: a problem. Now do people settle when they are not
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  Speaker 1: at fault, Yeah, they do. There's companies will look at it,
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  Speaker 1: the cost of litigation and simply say, it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: cheaper just to write a check, then go into court
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  Speaker 1: and go to the front of a jury and take
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  Speaker 1: a chance and spend a zillion dollars on defense. But
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  Speaker 1: five hundred and fifty six million dollars pays for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of defense, I mean a lot. So you wonder
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  Speaker 1: what's going on with that? Now? The numbers and the
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  Speaker 1: numbers are absolutely stunning, to say the least. It's last year,
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  Speaker 1: Kaiser took in more than one hundred and twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: billion dollars in revenue, earning a quote profit of nine
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  Speaker 1: point three billion dollars. It doesn't earn a profit because
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  Speaker 1: it is a charity. It is a non profit. Most
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  Speaker 1: of the money was from investments. It has so much money.
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  Speaker 1: It invests its money and they make most of their
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  Speaker 1: income from those in vestments. A smaller share is made
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  Speaker 1: from its operations as well as the insurance premiums. And
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  Speaker 1: of course premiums have absolutely exploded. So to give you
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  Speaker 1: an idea, and this is I love this. This goes
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  Speaker 1: right into political speak and pr speak. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: back to numbers. Kaiser insures almost one out of every
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  Speaker 1: four Californians. It's both an insurer and a provider of
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  Speaker 1: care in a closed system. So I'm a member of Kaiser,
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  Speaker 1: I have to go to a Kaiser doctor. I have
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  Speaker 1: to go to a Kaiser hospital otherwise I don't have
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  Speaker 1: insurance if I'm out of network. I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a question of the insurance company paying less. It's the
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  Speaker 1: insurance company, which is Kaiser, paying none, So you're stuck
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  Speaker 1: with Kaiser. Now, the bottom line is Kaiser has superb doctors.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the way medicine is practice, doctors line up
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  Speaker 1: to go to Kaiser. I mean tremendous number of doctors
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  Speaker 1: like the way Kaiser works. But that doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 1: you can go anyplace else. But Kaisner has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of centers. I mean around where I live in South
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  Speaker 1: or in South Orange County, I've got Kaiser. I've got
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  Speaker 1: four Kaiser clinics around me, one hospital at trauma Center,
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  Speaker 1: as well as a bunch of clinics. So here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Kaiser is accused of all of this wrongdoing and does
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  Speaker 1: not do what it's supposed to do. And it's a
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  Speaker 1: charitable enterprise which is there to help the public and
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  Speaker 1: certainly its members. So Kaiser woun't wasn't available to comment
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  Speaker 1: for this story, but issued a statement, I love this
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  Speaker 1: and tell me a pr hack didn't write this. Our
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  Speaker 1: charitable purpose guides every decision we make. Driven by our mission.
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  Speaker 1: We offer better care and coverage to our members, invest
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  Speaker 1: billions of dollars in our communities every year, work to
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  Speaker 1: advance high quality, affordable, equitable, evidence based care in communities
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  Speaker 1: across the country, and our hospitals are among the best
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  Speaker 1: staffed in California, and staffing levels always meet or exceed
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  Speaker 1: state requirements. In the meantime, last month, the thirty thousand
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  Speaker 1: nurses and other Kaiser professionals who walked out in a
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  Speaker 1: four weeks strike because there weren't enough nurses at the
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  Speaker 1: Kaiser hospitals and there was too much work put on
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  Speaker 1: too few people, which is across the board. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the things about Kaiser is there really isn't much
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  Speaker 1: of a copay. You don't get billions of dollars in bills,
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  Speaker 1: you really don't. I remember when I went in for surgery,
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  Speaker 1: just before I went in for my first surgery. I
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  Speaker 1: enjoy I go to Kaiser for surgeries just for fun,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because I love the food at the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: It's absolutely delicious. They have gourmet chefs there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just tremendous food. And frankly, you're better off eating
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  Speaker 1: in a prison than you are eating at a Kaiser facility.
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  Speaker 1: And this is experienced talking. But the point is I've
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  Speaker 1: done a lot of surgeries at Kaiser and it's they
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  Speaker 1: did a hell of a job. They really did. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I've been there's since iven five
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  Speaker 1: years old. And the KOPEI well, let me put it
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  Speaker 1: this way. Today going into the hospital is three hundred
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  Speaker 1: bucks a day. It used to be free years ago
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  Speaker 1: when I started, and then it went to one hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 1: And my plan is I pay five bucks or ten dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Now I pay ten dollars per visit and I pay
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  Speaker 1: ten dollars per test. Now, obviously I have one of
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  Speaker 1: the best Kaiser plans out there if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: do that low. But bottom line is it is a
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  Speaker 1: big organization and it's a partnership too. You know doctors
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  Speaker 1: are partners in Kaiser, but you didn't know that. Now
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  Speaker 1: Here is the story I want to share with you,
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  Speaker 1: and this is a tough one, and that is describing
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  Speaker 1: the United States as a country as wealthy it is,
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  Speaker 1: it is still has people who are hungry. Now, we
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  Speaker 1: don't have starvation, but food insecurity. That's common. Forty seven
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  Speaker 1: million Americans give or take. Including this story in the
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  Speaker 1: Orange County Register and about Orange County, but it's national
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  Speaker 1: in scope and also La County, et cetera. Forty four
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand people in Orange County don't always know where
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  Speaker 1: their next meal is coming from, or they don't have
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  Speaker 1: the money to pay for three meals a day. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that is crazy. Now, malnutrition does happen, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: not often. The big year was twenty twenty two, and
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  Speaker 1: that was, of course the pandemic. Over twenty thousand Americans
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  Speaker 1: died of malnutrition straight out starvation, but most were over
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  Speaker 1: eighty five or older had to underlying health program problems.
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  Speaker 1: That's according by the National Institute of Health. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: that's the real figure. Now we have to understand food
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  Speaker 1: insecurity and malnutrition are not the same as starvation. And
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  Speaker 1: we have operated lawmakers, all of us under the belief
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  Speaker 1: and it's some accuracy, not much, that American hunger is
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  Speaker 1: more an issue of nutrition and access and dignity as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to life and death. But that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: tested come April one, and we're talking what two more days.
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  Speaker 1: There's some big issues. There's two primary sources of free
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  Speaker 1: food in the US. One SNAP, the Federal Supplemental Nutrition
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  Speaker 1: Assistant Program the SNAP program, and the other one is
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  Speaker 1: the network of charitable food banks and pantries, which we
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  Speaker 1: do more than any place in the world, and both
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  Speaker 1: are going to be changing big time. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, there are millions
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  Speaker 1: of people who are going to be out of SNAP California,
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  Speaker 1: and we have our own called cal fresh, and a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of people get fed and eat with the
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  Speaker 1: help of the federal government and on the charity side,
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  Speaker 1: and Neil, you'll appreciate this. What is affecting people from
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  Speaker 1: eating having food people who are insecure is a I. Now,
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  Speaker 1: how is a I hurting people that need the food?
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  Speaker 1: And O'Neil is nodding.
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  Speaker 2: It's efficiency, Yes, it's going to make things more efficient.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. Restaurants, groceries, farmers, people that process lots
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  Speaker 1: of food that give it to charity. All extra food
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  Speaker 1: that go to food banks, well, AI helps them trim
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  Speaker 1: food waste, and so efficiency threatens and does choke down
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  Speaker 1: this pipeline. And that's the charities that well, they rely
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  Speaker 1: on big foods edible waste because we have so much
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  Speaker 1: of it now. Nobody is predicting instant doom. Government is
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  Speaker 1: not abandon any free food, but what it is is
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  Speaker 1: restricting free food. And there are new dynamics at play
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  Speaker 1: here and experts don't really see a solution yet because
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  Speaker 1: the world of free food is according to the chief
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  Speaker 1: executive of Bound Food Care, and they link industrial food
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  Speaker 1: suppliers to food banks pantries. Says the world of free
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  Speaker 1: food has been a victim of its own success. Hunger
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  Speaker 1: works in cycles that rises and falls with the economy,
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  Speaker 1: and when it becomes particularly acute, charities pretty much always
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  Speaker 1: step in. The problem is cheer readers are getting far
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  Speaker 1: less food, more people need the food. We have more
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  Speaker 1: people that are moving towards unemployment. It is very, very tough,
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  Speaker 1: and under the federal government, snap recipients are going to
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  Speaker 1: be much more restricted. We're going to see some big
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  Speaker 1: changes and it's not in the right way, and certainly
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  Speaker 1: not in terms of people eating. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: end it with the same statement I made when I
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  Speaker 1: started this segment, and that is, in a country as
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  Speaker 1: wealthy as ours, to have people who are hungry, it's
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  Speaker 1: a shanda. It's a shame on many, many different levels.
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  Speaker 1: And if you go around the world, you go to
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  Speaker 1: the Scandinavian countries, people who are hungry just get food
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  Speaker 1: from the government. That's it. It's a simple If you
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  Speaker 1: can't eat, the government jumps in, oh my god, well
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  Speaker 1: they're not working. Well, you know what, too bad, that
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  Speaker 1: aren't working. I mean they're going to get food. They
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  Speaker 1: should get fed, and then they worry about living accommodations,
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  Speaker 1: which is another topic, and medical care which is another topic.
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  Speaker 1: But at least food and we just don't do it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Do I have a story for you? First of all,
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  Speaker 1: Apple is fifty years old and it started as a
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  Speaker 1: garage startup Steve Wosneyak, and of course you have Steve
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  Speaker 1: Jobs and it's celebrating it's fiftieth starting in nineteen seventy six.
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  Speaker 1: Now the second most powerful and biggest company in the world,
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  Speaker 1: two point five billion devices out there, and it is well,
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  Speaker 1: it's become a cult company and we know it it now,
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  Speaker 1: how did this get started? What was the idea for Apple?
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  Speaker 1: When I interviewed Steve Wansneyak many many years, I asked him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how did it start before you and Steve
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  Speaker 1: Jobs get together to decide how to build to build
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  Speaker 1: an Apple? He goes well, Steve Jobs didn't have much
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  Speaker 1: to do with it in terms of initially it was me.
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  Speaker 1: I go explain why? Goes well, I was an engineer,
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  Speaker 1: a junior engineer engineer at HP Hewlett Packard and in
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  Speaker 1: those days you'd have to stand in line to use
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  Speaker 1: the computer, the mainframe, you know, those big, huge mainframes.
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  Speaker 1: And they started to use those to you know, figure
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  Speaker 1: out problems, how to figure out how to just you know,
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  Speaker 1: create answers for whatever problem you had. Well, as a
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  Speaker 1: junior engineer, he was always at the back of the
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  Speaker 1: line and senior engineers could always cut in front of him.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, there has to be a better way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just sick and tired of this, and so he
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  Speaker 1: basically came up with the personal computer. And he went
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  Speaker 1: to HP eight times and said, hey, I've got an
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  Speaker 1: idea a personal computer. And in those days, the idea
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  Speaker 1: of a personal computer owned by people didn't even exist.
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  Speaker 1: It was only big mainframes, the big IBM's the three sixties,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was the first one out there, took
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  Speaker 1: up a whole room. So it was so foreign to
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  Speaker 1: HP and other folks to have a personal computer. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't even in the thinking. Well, Losneak and Steve Jobs
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  Speaker 1: went in the other direction, and so Losniak was this
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  Speaker 1: sort of computer early computer genius who sat down and
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  Speaker 1: created the first Apple computer. He and his best friend
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  Speaker 1: Steve Jobs, out of Steve Job's garage, sat down and
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  Speaker 1: created first of all a motherboard prototype, and then started
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  Speaker 1: manufacturing out of the garage the first Apple Computer and
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  Speaker 1: then of course history tells us that the company was
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  Speaker 1: one of the fastest growing companies of the world. Steve
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  Speaker 1: Jobs was all about the design and the fanaticism to excellence,
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  Speaker 1: and you put those two together, and my god, what
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  Speaker 1: a company you have. And of course you know all
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  Speaker 1: about how it started. Today, Apple one hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 1: six thousand employees. And there's a journalist who's written about
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  Speaker 1: this and he says, every company claims to strive for excellence.
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  Speaker 1: That's a trope. You go inside Apple and talk to
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  Speaker 1: these people and it's a mania. It's intense to work
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  Speaker 1: at Apple and you are asked for complete excellence. So
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  Speaker 1: how did I get to interview Steve Loosniak. That's a
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  Speaker 1: fun story. I don't know if you've heard of the
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  Speaker 1: Yes Festival. It was one of the early massive festivals
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  Speaker 1: that was backed up one hundred percent by Loosniak. He
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  Speaker 1: wrote the check. It cost him ten million dollars to
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  Speaker 1: put this on. That was the Yes or the US.
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  Speaker 1: It was a yes yes as in yes. It cost
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  Speaker 1: him ten million dollars and he lost ten million dollars
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  Speaker 1: because tickets basically stopped being sold. And what people did
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  Speaker 1: outside of the venue. There was a big gate and
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  Speaker 1: those big fence outside of the venue. They crashed through
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  Speaker 1: the gate, flattened it and people came in by the
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  Speaker 1: tens hundreds of thousands of dollars, so no one bought
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  Speaker 1: any tickets. He lost ten million bucks on it. And
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  Speaker 1: I was interviewing him and I said, don't you know
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  Speaker 1: he lost ten million dollars? You know, doesn't that bother you?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, no, I had fun, That was it. That
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  Speaker 1: was his answer. I had fun. You know when you
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  Speaker 1: have ten million dollars and you lose it and you
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  Speaker 1: simply write it off as fun, you know, you've got
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  Speaker 1: more money than you could ever imagine. But it was.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fun story. Steve Wasniak telling me specifically how
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing started. That was one of the best
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  Speaker 1: interviews I've ever done, just in terms of interesting people. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: coming up, Las Vegas. Las Vegas is either in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of trouble or it's not. It's either doing horribly
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  Speaker 1: or it's not. Okay, I'll explain that coming up. This
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