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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 18) (5/18/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're going to continue along with the
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  Glen Maxwell deposition, and we're going to pick up where
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  we left off. McCauley, Miss Maxwell, during what time period
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  I know you said. I believe you said you met
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  Jeffrey in nineteen ninety one if I'm correct there, and
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  you've known him through the present. During what time period
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  within those years would you say your relationship was the
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  closest with Jeffrey Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell,
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  What do you mean by close? Sorry, McCauley, I think
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  earlier today you testified that at some point in time
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  you considered yourself to be his girlfriend. Is that the
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  closest you would say that your relationship was with him?
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  And if so, what time period was that? Mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell. I don't
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  think I said I was his girlfriend. I would like
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  to think of myself as maybe. I don't think I
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  sometime in the mid nineties. McCauley, how close was your
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  relationship Maxwell? We were friendly, McCauley, without going into detail,
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  was your relationship with him intimate? Maxwell. Yes, McCauley. When
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  was the last time you had contact with Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell?
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  What do you mean by contact, McCauley, either a phone call,
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  or email or anything of that nature, Maxwell, As best
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  as I can recollect, sometime last year, McCauley, So you
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  haven't talked to him, like, for example, last week, you
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  didn't talk to him. Maxwell, I did not, McCauley. How
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  many times have you had either direct or indirect, meaning
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  in the presence of him, or calling or emailing contact
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  with Jeffrey Epstein from December thirtieth, twenty fourteen until now? Maxwell,
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  I'm sorry. Can you just McCauley, either in person or
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  by phone or by email from December thirtieth, twenty fourteen
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  until present, Maxwell, I can't really characterize that, but not
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  very much. There was a period when in January when
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  you filed your whatever you filed, where we spoke, and
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  then since then not much at all. McCauley. Can you
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  estimate how many emails you would have sent Jeffrey from
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  the period of December thirtieth, twenty fourteen to the present, Maxwell,
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  Not very many at all, McCauley, more than twenty Maxwell,
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  I really wouldn't be able to characterize it because it
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  wouldn't be that many. I wouldn't know McCauley more than
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  fifty Maxwell. It would be on the lesser side, not
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  on the more side. McCauley, Can you give me a number, Maxwell,
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  I honestly couldn't. I would be guessing, McCauley, how many
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  emails has Jeffrey sent you from the time period of
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  December thirtieth, twenty fourteen to the present. Maxwell. I would
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  say less emails, even less emails than I sent him. McCauley,
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  more than twenty, Maxwell, I would say, on the lesser side, McCauley,
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  less meaning ten Maxwell, I can't really recall very little, McCauley.
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  When you spoke with Jeffrey in January of twenty fifteen,
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  what did he say to you? Maxwell? I really couldn't
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  remember exactly what he said to me. McCauley. Did you
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  talk about Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I'm sure we did, but
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  I couldn't recall the exact conversation. McCauley. Does Jeffrey Epstein
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  send you text messages? Maxwell? No, McCauley, do you send
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  him text messages? Maxwell? No, McCauley, how many phone calls
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  have you had with Jeffrey Epstein since December thirtieth, twenty fourteen. Maxwell, again,
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  very few, more than five, Maxwell, probably as many as
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  the few emails that I would characterize, So just very few,
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  I mean a small number. McCauley, are you aware of
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  any disagreement between your views about Virginia Roberts and Jeffrey's
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  views about Virginia Roberts. Mister Pagliuca object to the form
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  and the foundation. Maxwell. I cannot speculate on his views.
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  I can only testify on my own views, McCauley. Earlier,
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  you went through the series of lies. Have you talked
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  to Jeffrey about the lies and does he agree with you? Maxwell?
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  I have discussed some of the issues with him, and
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  I can't remember specifically which ones. I just don't recall.
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  I'm sorry, McCauley. Do you recall him telling you that
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  he didn't agree with you on any of those Maxwell?
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  I don't recall him saying that. McCauley. Do you have
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  a joint defense agreement with Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell? I believe
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  I do. McCauley. Do you have a joint defense agreement
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  with redacted? Maxwell? I don't believe I do, McCauley. Earlier
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  today in your testimony, when I was asking you some questions,
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  you said that you couldn't answer, but that Jeffrey Epstein
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  could answer that question. Would Jeffrey Epstein be in a
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  position to confirm or deny some of the obvious lies
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  that we've discussed today, Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form
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  and the foundation. Maxwell, I can't possibly test defy to
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  what Jeffrey could or would say. I can't speak for him, McCauley.
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  Would Jeffrey be able to confirm or deny whether he
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  had sex with Virginia Roberts Mister Pagliuca, objection to the
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  form and the foundation, Maxwell, I can't say what Jeffrey
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  would say, McCauley. Has he discussed that with you? Maxwell?
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  He is not McCauley. Would Jeffrey be able to confirm
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  or deny whether he had a sexual massage from Virginia
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  that first time she came to his mansion in Palm Beach,
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  Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I cannot speak for what he would say. I can
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  only speak for what I would say, So as I
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  testified everything that she said about the first meeting didn't happen.
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  So McCauley, has he told you that everything about the
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  first meeting didn't happen? Maxwell, I know it didn't happen
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  because she put me in that room. McCauley, I understand,
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  you know, but as Jeffrey said, when you are talking
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  about the obvious lies, oh yeah, that never happened. Mister
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  Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell. I
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  can't specifically recall that. I don't know, but he has
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  to agree with me because it didn't happen. McCauley. Ken
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  Jeffrey Epstein, would he be able to confirm or deny
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  whether he had sex with underage girls? Mister Pagliuca Objection
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  to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I can't testify
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  to what Jeffrey would say, McCauley. Can Jeffrey confirm or
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  deny whether redacted was on Jeffrey's island? Mister Pagliuca, objection
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  to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I can't say
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  what Jeffrey would say. I can only say what I
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  know to be true. Maxwell. Has Jeffrey talked to you
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  about the fact whether redacted was on his island, Maxwell,
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  as best as I can recollect, he said he was
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  not on the island. As best as I can recollect,
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  can Jeffrey Epstein confirm whether he and Virginia Roberts were
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  together in the presence of redacted mister Pakliuka objection to
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  the Form and Foundation? Maxwell, I can't speak to what
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  Jeffrey would say. McCauley. Has he talked to you about
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  Virginia Robert's statement that she was in the presence of
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  redacted mister Pagliuka objection to the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell,
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  I have not discussed individual presences with Virginia. That's not
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  I'm only concerned with what I know to be the
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  stuff about me. So my focus has always been the lies,
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  and the obvious lies is something I can personally attest to.
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  I cannot possibly talk for anything else. McCauley, has Jeffrey
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  Epstein said to you anything along the lines of Virginia
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  is lying when she says she met redacted mister Pacluka
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  objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, Again, I'm
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  not talking about what she says as regards to other people.
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  I can talk to the things as regards to me. McCauley,
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  I'm asking if Jeffrey ever said that to you. Maxwell,
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  I don't recollect specific conversations along those lines. McCauley. You
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  don't recollect him saying that to you, Maxwell, I don't
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  recollect him saying to me that Virginia didn't meet redacted.
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  I'm sure that wouldn't be a conversation that we would have.
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  It doesn't affect me whether so. I'm really only concerned
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  about the lies that were told as regards to me, McCauley.
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  Can Jeffrey Epstein confirm or deny whether you sent Virginia
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  to give a massage? Mister Pakliuka objection to the form
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  and the Foundation, Maxwell, I can't say what Jeffrey would say.
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  I can tell you I didn't. I can't tell you
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  what anybody else did. McCauley, have you discussed him with
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  Virginia's allegations that she gave redacted a massage, Mister Pagliuka
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  objection to the form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I didn't
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  know she did say that, McCauley. Did you know whether
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  Jeffrey Epstein has ever sent anybody to redacted to perform
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  a massage for him? Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the foundation. Maxwell, I couldn't possibly recollect whether he did
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  anything like that. McCauley. Did you ever send anybody, not Virginia,
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  anybody else over to Redacted's home for a massage? Maxwell? Not,
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  to the best of my knowledge, McCauley, do you know
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  one of Redacted's friends by the name of redacted? Maxwell?
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  I do recollect a person of that name. McCauley, how
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  do you know her? Maxwell, I don't recollect. McCauley. Did
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  you meet her through Jeffrey Maxwell? I don't recollect. McCauley.
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  Did you recall when you met her? Maxwell, I do
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  not recollect. McCauley. How many times have you seen redacted
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  in your life? Maxwell? The only reason I remember is
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  because it's an unusual name. But I couldn't tell you
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  anything else. McCauley, you didn't see her on a regular basis.
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  She wasn't one of your friends. Maxwell. No, McCauley was
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  Redacted a massuse Maxwell, not, to my note, McCauley, do
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  you have knowledge of whether she had a sexual relationship
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  with Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, I have no knowledge of that. McCauley.
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  When was the last time you spoke with her? Maxwell, no,
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  very long. I don't know. I have no idea. McCauley,
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  would it be yours? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. What do you
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  remember about redacted? Maxwell? Nothing really, McCauley. Do you remember
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  what she looks like? Maxwell? I would just be speculating
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  on how I remember. I couldn't describe her. McCauley. Do
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  you recall traveling with her? Maxwell? I don't, McCauley. Did
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  you ever go to her home? Maxwell? I don't believe
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  I did, McCauley. Do you know where she lives? Maxwell?
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  I don't, McCauley. Would you have met her through Jeffrey Epstein?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell,
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  I already testified. I don't recollect how I met her,
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  and I remember her because her name is very unusual. McCauley,
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  So what's your What recollection do you have of her?
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  Do you have a specific recollection of meeting her somewhere?
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  You just don't know when that was? Or how do
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  you know the name redacted? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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  form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I don't know why the
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  name is. I'm sorry, I can't I have no idea.
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  I recognize the name, but that's it. McCauley, was Redacted
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  a massuse? Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form and Foundation. Maxwell,
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  what are you asking me, sorry, McCauley, When redacted worked
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  for Jeffrey Epstein? Did she perform massages? Maxwell? I've testified
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  that when redacted came, originally she came to answer telephones.
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  I believe at some point she became a massuse. I
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  don't recollect when I personally had massages from redacted. McCauley.
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  What did redacted do for Jeffrey Epstein? Did she perform
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  massages anything else? Mister Pagliuka, objection to the form and Foundation. Maxwell.
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  When she came she answered phones, And that's point I believe.
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  I don't have any firm recollection, but I believe she
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  went to school to become a messuse and I had
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  massages from her. McCauley, did you ever have any sexual
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  interaction with her? Mister Pakluka, object to the form and
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  the Foundation, And I'm going to instruct you if we're
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  talking about any consensual adult contact, you are not allowed
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  to answer the question. McCauley, did you have any sexual
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  contact with her in the presence of Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Pakliuka,
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  same instruction, McCauley, did you have any sexual contact with
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  her in the presence of anybody other than Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Mister Pagliuca, sam instruction, McCauley, did you have any sexual
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  contact with her in the presence of anybody other than
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  Jeffrey Epstein? Pacluka, same instruction, McCauley. How many massages did
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  you receive from her? Adacted Maxwell. I really don't recall,
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  but a fair amount. McCauley. Did the massages involve sex?
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  Mister Pakliuka, I'm going to instruct you not to answer. McCauley,
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  have you ever engaged in sex with any female? Mister Pagliuca,
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  I'm going to instruct you not to answer. Miss McCauley.
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  I want the record to reflect that Miss Maxwell's attorney
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  is directing her not to answer this series of questions.
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  To that, mister Pagliuca responds, it definitely does. All right, folks,
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  We're gonna wrap up this part right there, and in
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  the next episode discussing the topic, we'll pick up where
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