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Ep. 1125: Biking from Alaska to Argentina with Leanna Carriere and Dr. Timm Dobert · Adventure Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_04]: episode 1,125 biking from Alaska to Argentina for wings of survival and sports for nature athletes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're listening to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We talk with adventurers from around the globe to bring you the inspiration and motivation you need to get started in the outdoors or to keep you moving if you're already there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now here's your host, Kurt Lindville.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hello friends and welcome to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Today I have a couple here, Dr. Tim Gilbert and he'll pronounce it correctly in a minute and Liana Carrier and she can pronounce that correctly in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The two of them have teamed up on a project they're calling the wings of survival and they are planning an epic bike touring trip from Northern Alaska down to Southern Argentina, I guess, Ushwaya.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, that's coming up, but in preparation for that, they've already biked all the way across Canada.
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[SPEAKER_04]: done a lot of amazing exploits, and they're doing this for a very special cause, so I'm excited to find out more about that today with you, so Tam and Liana, welcome to the program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Both of you are adventurers and athletes of your own right, prior to taking on this project, so we probably should find out the backstory, Liana, why don't we start with you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah, I'm born and raised in Edmonton, Alberta, was a track and field athlete for Canada.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I competed in the women's pull-ups, internationally, and then became Canada's first female decadent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shortly after that, I had my daughter, I have an eight-year-old daughter, and I kind of took to endurance sports, so I could balance my mom life, my training life, pushing this roller, or letting her sleep in being on the bike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I started exploring multi-vents but in the endurance side so swim bike run, triathlons, I was inspired to do Iron Man's because I loved the the mental push I really like pushing my body to different limits in my mind and kind of see where it takes me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so I've always kind of been outside
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[SPEAKER_01]: Since having her swimming in the rivers here, cycling in the mountains, being in the trails, I've been a bolder Colorado for training camps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just really fell in love with it and really enjoyed my time in nature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, for myself on this athletic side, I've been personal trainers as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's...
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been my whole life, athletics, and training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all in my work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for me, during COVID, I was very frustrated with events and everything being shut down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was getting frustrated training for Iron Man Canada and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was, it was about two weeks before the race and they shut down and they canceled the race.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're constantly breaking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like race, ready, and then I had another race.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the first time I actually experienced a race being canceled due to wildfire, and that had it happen that I noticed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The truck event was never canceled because of wildfire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so all of a sudden, I started noticing these environments changing and affecting what I love to do most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So during this castellations in this frustration, I saw this pan American highway and this record was just set.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was a record set by mail and so I looked up female record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No record was, was there and I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a record and me the first female.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I shortly after this I met Tim and Tim and I have very different backgrounds which I'll get into but I kind of showed him this this map and said I want to ride this he said yeah I'll ride 30,000 kilometers but in easy to eat something more purposeful so I
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he'll get into that, and so he's really challenged me to look at athletics is not just an event, but creating impact in everything that we do positive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, but Canada's first female to Catholic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's fun, and pole vaulting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I love pole vaulting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It looks so super human, so amazing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I would just kind of laughing here because we're going to be talking about wings of survival.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think pole vaulters have wings.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how you guys do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's wings tattooed on my back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What does it feel like?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have to ask.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What does it feel like to go really, really high pole vaulting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the best feeling, it's the closest you get to flying when you are off the pole and just flying through the air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really is the best feeling, and I'm sure, like, I've been bungee jumping in skydiving so that feeling of free falling, it's crazy enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something I really enjoyed in just being in the air.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I've pull vaulted over a few flooded creeks as a kid just trying to get through the water, but that's as far as I've made it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Tim, what about you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, by the way, Tim and Lena are in an apartment and there's a little hammering going on, some construction or something, and it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're not going to worry about that, but in case the listeners are wondering what that noise is, that's what it is, it's all fine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, Tim, what about your background?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's probably gonna be quite evident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm German born.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last name is Dobert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got really close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I left about 20 years ago, and I moved to New Zealand for one of my degrees along this academic journey I've been having and started to become a tropical scientist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I started working in Thailand and...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Montopix related to deforestation, fragmentations of splitting up forest into more agricultural land users, and then for my PhD, I had this beautiful opportunity to, my PhD was in Australia, but I spent three years living in a hammock in Borneo, so there was fantastic, again tropical science, really the human, our human impact on nature has always been the topic of my research focus,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then about six years ago, I came to Canada, so I did two postdoctoral fellowships, so that's kind of after my PhD research project.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been working on Prairie Grassland ecosystems, all in the space of biodiversity, carbon, so climate change related ecosystem function.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as Leanna said, so the project, Wings of Survival, started building this about four years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it's taken much longer than envisioned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long ride, but it's been a steady, kind of the trajectory it's been in a steady positive way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's essentially a trilogie of expeditions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first one is from Alaska to Patagonia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the special part is we're not just cycling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we're not just by pecking, but we're following the migration of whimperls and whimperls are a showbird, so they are one of one of the longest migrations in the animal kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So fascinating, athletes in their own right, much more accomplished than what we could ever do, so it's essentially wings of survivalism is a unique framing where extreme sports and nature
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[SPEAKER_00]: intertwined in a story to give people a very different perspective into the natural world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So name the bird again, Wambler?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's called a windmill.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I must not have heard it correctly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do you spell it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's spelled W-H-I-M-B-R-E-L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a plot, the size of a chicken.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a long beak, so they look for crustaceans in those mudfleds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they go to Alaska for breeding, because Alaska, what we don't enjoy is full of insects and summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's harassing us is benefiting the birds, so they go for breeding, and then,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe in August they start travelling southward and they have different stopovers so they go to Let's let's say they go to Mexico to Colombia and Potentially they go all the way down to Tierra del Fuego so the end of South America depends on the individual
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow, that's fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, my family has been watching Central Cranes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they're the greater in the lesser, and I don't have all the details, but some of them do a similar migratory path.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there are some that stop over where we live in Central Colorado in the springtime, and sometimes we see them in the fall as they're traveling through, and that's always very, very special.
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[SPEAKER_04]: just amazing birds and i always like to tell people this little tidbit they were here with the dinosaurs how cool would it be if we could hear their stories yeah so true they've basically outlived outlived the dinosaurs they've been in that amazing 150 million years yeah
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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess it helps when there's a lot of climate catastrophe to be able to fly places.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I might give you an advantage over something that's landbound.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how the Sandhill Crane survived.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just presuming that they had some flexibility there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the Wimbrels, now, just for a moment as an aside, what can you tell us about this species as far as their history and any claims to fame?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the distance is very special.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the entire stretch from Alaska to Patagonia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just maybe just to give a little bit of context.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's about there's close to 11,000 species of birds on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are changes right as we do find more species.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as a ballpark number, 11,000 species.
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[SPEAKER_00]: about 40% to 50% actually migrate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you mentioned the cranes and of course we know the Canada geese there coming back in the course so there's the obvious ones we see during the day but then there's all these species we never get to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and these days we have tools like radar, for example, which at the moment just works for the U.S.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's these hotspot maps during spring and fall migration where scientists can basically say look there's
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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point in time, there's 5 million birds up in the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like detecting forecasting weather patterns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can do this in real time was birds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, at the moment, which is great for you, but at the moment it just works in the U.S.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, just to give a bit of context, there's actually many, many species migrate, and there's a lot of variation as to where they go, how far do they travel, what's their physiological adaptation, so every species is very unique.
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[SPEAKER_04]: very cool so you decided to do this huge amazing bike tour based on the migratory path of the bird because that mean that you're going to try to stick to the coast as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah maybe just as the scientists here yeah so so what's nice what's nice about the windrillers this species actually follows the coastline quite
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they're breeding in Alaska, the more west they're breeding, science has shown the more likely they follow the Pacific coastline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're breeding, let's say, in the Arctic Refuge, which is further east in Alaska, it's more likely they're close over to the Atlantic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, it's very much depends on the individual, but if we are, so what we're going to do, I should say that too, we're going to work with scientists from Mano-Made, so Mano-Made is a research agency in the US.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've been doing for the last couple of years, they've been following those wind roads using GPS trackers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're basically placed carefully placed in their plumage and then they can track the migration of those birds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we are taking advantage of this research project so that we can basically allow virtual audiences to come on our journey, just using by computers or something, but then also follow the birds,
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[SPEAKER_04]: So how long do you expect it will take you to travel your distance?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, you said it's like 30,000 kilometers, that's a big one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So how long do you expect that to be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the goal is to do it in about nine months, or else the birds are going to fly back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to reconnect with the birds down in Patagonia, then the goal is to get there in about nine months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll already be there, hopefully they're waiting with signs for us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that'll be it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can see it now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, we know you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's no small feet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How many miles or kilometers a day do anticipate?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did it based on 150km a day with two terrestes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's, I'd say it's, so it's about nine months and just to add to the kind of story arc is do we reconnect with those same individual birds along our journey and do we reunite in Patagonia?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of hopefully to capture people's interest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we gonna make it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they gonna make it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we get to siege?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they again?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which would be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So but we have in a way planned this for seven months of cycling and two months of community engagement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're crossing 15 countries on the journey and we're going to work with different organizations in each of those countries in order to to help them support them get their conservation projects a bit more traction, a bit more momentum within their communities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't enkilometers 120 to 150 roughly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's see, that's somewhere around 90 miles if you do the one 50 kilometers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's not a short day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, some racers go a lot further, but when you're touring day after day after day, that's a pretty good distance to cover every day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, that's gonna be a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's fun.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I want to highlight something that's going on here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously, you're doing it for a reason you have a cause.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're combining an amazing epic adventure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A life experience with something that you value, and I just wanted to highlight that because I'm a strong believer in doing that, trying to lean into something that matters to the adventure room, not just the adventure itself, but to be able to do what you're doing
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[SPEAKER_04]: and i applaud you in that that's a lot of fun so that's very very cool last year you bite coast to coast across Canada yeah it was a nice little warm up nice little warm up that sounds huge we got to dive into that leanna why don't you take us through what that was what was that
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[SPEAKER_01]: We decided, again, we've been planning this project for a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be five years when we leave in June, 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when we postponed it last year, we thought we got to do something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to trial or bike set up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to put something together to just keep the momentum going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So...
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[SPEAKER_01]: We decided to buy from Halifax and Vancouver, and Tim said, can we do this in 30 days?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went, why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, well, this can fall into, we can highlight 30 protected, or three special areas along the way that are protected somewhere unprotected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and link up with organizations along the route as part of the communication around the 30 by 30 that we need to protect 30% of land and water by 2030.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're playing off this 30 number quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we Tim did a lot of mapping and
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[SPEAKER_01]: figured out these areas that we wanted to go visit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a support driver from a podcast funny enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this guy looks like he's a van to support us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a trailer, and he said, I drive across Canada every year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he decided to support us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: we partnered with the universities well because it was more because we were doing it in 30 days and it was more set schedule we were able to do some scientific studies with our so mind, body and nutrition so we had three different departments from the university the University of Alberta here do these studies on us so
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we also had to collect a lot of scientific data along the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had to pee in cups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had to put everything we ate because we're both plant-based athletes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the interesting study for the dietetics team is that they wanted to know what happened to our metabolism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was a lot of testing before and after.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did VO2 tests before and after, and then the mind was just kind of a series of questions that we've filmed in that at the beginning of the day and at the end of the day, as well as we stopped halfway through to do an interview with the psychology department as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really, it was really quite neat to be able to give back to science and an in a meaningful way that also helps us
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[SPEAKER_01]: being plant-based when we get asked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you get enough food?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the results from that came back really well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were able to hold on to our muscle mass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We never got sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We started in Halifax, went to Vancouver, which people tend to say is backwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a fascinating way to see the country and see the diversity from all the very coasts to coast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed it and we on average cycle just about 150 kilometers a day, some days were more, some days were less and we kind of got to work through all the challenges that might happen on this larger one so it really prepared us and it was a huge learning lesson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and everyone got along with each other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But she's also- That's a good test too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you had a, you had a sag wagon, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Someone to support you along on that trip.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What about your 30,000 kilometer trip next year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to take this one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, that's-
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[SPEAKER_00]: basically working progress so we're hoping to have a support vehicle there's there's quite a few people offering to drive but we have nothing to drive at the moment so so we've we've come to a point where we really focus quite a bit more on fundraising and and trying to take those boxes when it comes to yeah having having funding for the actual expedition having funding for the support
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[SPEAKER_00]: Plus we have a production team already, we have a professional film production collaboration, it's partly Canadian, it's partly UK-based, so there's been a lot of footage collected over the last four years already the filmmaker following us to Patagonia, we did an Iron Man race called Patagon Man a few years in Patagonia a few years ago and he followed us, this was kind of the starting
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[SPEAKER_00]: the start of the partnership and he got really hooked up and well there's there's more context but put it in a kind of brief description then we all went to Alaska so we met some of the scientists we're going to collaborate with we did a really cool pecrafting training in Alaska with someone called Luke Mail he's one of those pecrafting safety instructors very very well known and because we have some segments where we can't write where we have to
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of jumping to our rafts and pedal a bit and then we went to Columbia the most bird by the first country so so that's maybe we talk about it more but that's the film component.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when it comes to the vehicle yeah it's really work work in progress we're trying to to see if there's any any then companies out there would like to collaborate as I said we've got one or two front razors lined up
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the next couple of months, try to make this happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really meant to become our virtual storytelling hub.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as you say, it's sort of a, it's a human adventure, but it's also a very, we're just catalysts for a much bigger story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really a storytelling mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the vehicle is primarily meant to be the way we can engage and communicate on a daily basis, was followers,
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[SPEAKER_04]: What a fun project.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's just let's go to a little bit of the how-to questions and we'll reference what you did last year because it's already done.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can tell us what you learned.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I saw pictures of your bikes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They were treks and I couldn't tell if they were gravel bikes or road bikes or some hybrid between the two.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But what bikes did you use on your last trip across Canada?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we used the trek checkpoints, the aluminum frame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and we didn't have aerobars and counterbikes me kind of here in Edmonton, like a day before we were leaving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I fell in the perfect tire for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he had these pearly tires that are very, very durable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That give you the feel for the road, but he said they can withstand a lot on gravel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we tested those tires up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he put an inner tube in them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then a whole bunch of sealant, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We never had to fill up our tires once.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What he did to these tires.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so one of the paths we were on because we were trying to get to these really unique places along route.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were very grovily almost like a mountain biking and it's so you, so it's quite, I was so surprised how these tires held up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I don't know what he did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We totally just leaned on cam for setting us up with those tires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're 32mm per rally tires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as Leanna said, we literally inflated them in Halifax after landing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We never had to touch them once until we, until we got to Vancouver, which is, that is, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is impressive, that's something else.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I would think as you travel south next year, it's going to be necessary to have a bike that can do well on gravel as well as on asphalt.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, are you doing the same bikes, the same setup?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not sure at the moment exploring options, definitely having probably different wheel sets, but having the right bike frame with the correct fit with the earlbirds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of places where this ride coming up that we're doing in the garage lines, we're playing around with kind of a gold pro's where to attach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the cameras and our computers kind of get a feel for how the bike set up should be on that longer adventure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But right now, yeah, we have the truck bikes at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, what are your recommendations for people?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Or did you learn anything about the equipment?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you want to share?
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[SPEAKER_01]: A bike fit?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No matter what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's my favorite.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: That was huge in Staddle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Staddle for me, I swapped my Staddle out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was all through the bike fit, so having Cody...
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the name of our bike guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did a really awesome job at a bike fit on those bikes.
23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: The first time we were on these bikes were in Morocco and neither of them were set up properly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a very painful, was that 250 kilometer ride.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was awful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was amazing that we could bike day after a day without any real pains.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The only spiking did you have to do before
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[SPEAKER_01]: bearable might be the word i don't know if it's every ever comfortable why don't know i i love my saddle but um as soon as we swapped out of saddles i couldn't believe that i could just ride day after day 150 corners and not being paying you yeah i like i like my one i still have the original and
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good for me, and I don't think you practice too much, right?
24:41
[SPEAKER_00]: With a new saddle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you got the new saddle, and you didn't spend hundreds of kilomits.
24:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Practicing, I think it worked, it worked really well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So a good fit, and the proper saddle, I can't any hacks that you learned along the way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You would say, oh, definitely, this is something that helps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, our big shorts, we both wear Gore wear bib shorts, and yeah, I'm very picky about my bib shorts, and so that was another between the saddle and the bib shorts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the perfect combo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On the bib shorts, on the women's gear, Gore wear has a little clip in the back to make it easy to go to the bathroom.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Or if you're taking your samples for your scientific setting, I don't know about bush, because...
25:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That's super frustrating is when it's rainy out, and if you have to declow it to go to the bathroom, then you get really cold and it's very frustrating.
25:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So being able to have a bib short that you don't have to undress completely is like, if anyone does those kind of long endurance stuff, and it was what it's like to be on the side of the road.
25:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, it's definitely my favorite piece of, uh,
25:56
[SPEAKER_00]: What about you, Tim?
25:57
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, maybe just to add, so because we had builders our support guy, we didn't have to load the bikes like some people do, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a frame back, and there was pretty much sufficient, so just a frame back and a little kind of pouch on top of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on top of the frame, but we didn't have a saddle bag or we didn't have pennies and all there's because we didn't have to because Bill was supporting us.
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's nothing too finicky, I'd have to say, we've now found something totally revolutionary.
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not so we now have we now going to use arobar so we're doing this 10-day ride across the grasslands in Canada We're using arobar, which we didn't cross in Canada So I've been kind of testing it for the last two weeks really enjoying it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll make a big difference
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much I'll use it on gravel, as compared to paved roads, not sure, we'll have to see about here.
26:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think there's nothing to, we didn't try anything too crazy, we were just over the moon about the tires because that's always a pain to fix a puncture or something.
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess maybe that's the biggest one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the bike fit, which makes a huge difference just the repetitive motion they end out.
27:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and maybe this combination of a tube and the liquid, the sealant, maybe that just works really well.
27:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, whatever the setup was that was used, it sounds remarkable to me.
27:30
[SPEAKER_04]: To have tires taken hold up to that distance and that time without having to refill them.
27:35
[SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing.
27:36
[SPEAKER_04]: We already talked a little bit about the why.
27:39
[SPEAKER_04]: the Y of the 3030, the Y of the Migratory Wimbrill and the Scientific Research, but what is your personal Y, Leanna?
27:49
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you decide that you wanted to do something big?
27:53
[SPEAKER_04]: The endurance sport?
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I like to the idea of the challenge for sure.
28:00
[SPEAKER_01]: As I mentioned earlier, pushing
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[SPEAKER_01]: difference.
28:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets so frustrating as an individual when we're faced with all these, yeah, whether it's crazy weather, it's castling events, fire, bad air quality, and it's just happening more and more, and I just feel like...
28:26
[SPEAKER_01]: as an athlete, you can have a platform to speak up, and you can be someone I'm highly motivated to speak up and showcase kind of what is going on and what we can do on an individual level to make positive changes in the environments that we love to play in.
28:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And then another side note on that is just, my daughter is Aiden.
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: She's being raised in a world now where she's, I see me in the morning, mom is recessed, gonna be canceled because of the error.
28:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I never said that as a kid or I take her to my favorite spots in Canada and you know, I took her to the ocean where we go and see the starfish and there was no starfish and I'm just like, I get so frustrated because things are changing so fast, but I think we're not doing things fast enough to create some sort of positive impacts.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So this really helps it challenges me in a lot of ways because it pushes me out of my comfort zone, learning.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had to learn so much from Tim and this whole kind of climate change in learning more about the environments and how is and queuing we affected and how we can both positive and negatively affect it.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the biggest why is, yeah, just out of frustration and I want to be that positive message to empower people.
29:45
[SPEAKER_01]: to start realizing what's happening for our future, because it just breaks my heart to think that Adeline might be dealing with.
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows what the world's gonna look like, you know, five, 10 years from now?
29:56
[SPEAKER_01]: 10 might know.
29:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't wanna know.
29:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't wanna know what the world is like.
30:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But I wanna feel like in Ann, I want her to feel empowered.
30:03
[SPEAKER_01]: She shares the little movie trailer with her school kids, and she talks about it, and she's out picking out garbage off the ground.
30:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So she, you know, I can see it from her now,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really quite empowering.
30:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we are so incredibly blessed to have this amazing, amazing world to live in and to play in and to enjoy.
30:27
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's easy to forget that we are caretakers, we're stewards, and there are future generations that will inherit what we leave behind.
30:35
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I've always been someone who cares deeply for that, and I'm glad that you're highlighting that.
30:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I think one of the things that's really particularly difficult is to quantify what's really happening, and I think what you are doing will help with that.
30:50
[SPEAKER_04]: You're highlighting the issues.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and working with your organizations that are trying to say this is what's going on.
30:57
[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's cool.
30:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Tim, what was your personal why?
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for me it's coming from a conservation science background.
31:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably the lesson learned over the last 20 years of doing science, but feeling I don't have an impact.
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So as I said earlier, I was living in the rainforest for a couple of years and
31:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds romantic, but it's really hard, it's super challenging to be immersed in those places of any modern day, civilised way of living, so I've invested so much effort into
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[SPEAKER_00]: into the research, but it's never, well, it's partly never encouraged through the academic setting to really take it a step further and make the research actionable, so it's usually, it usually ends with a scientific paper.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's just generally asking myself, is, is the effort I've invested and am I getting the return on it?
31:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and the clear answer is no, it's, there's just no impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be lucky if anybody ever read my paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think one of the main conclusions is, unless we reach people, it's a story telling, unless we reach people more than emotional level, it's going to be very, very hard because the numbers and the facts are they're so abstract.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very difficult, it's sort of what you eluded to as well earlier.
32:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very hard for people to grasp, you know, to grasp the
32:27
[SPEAKER_00]: the magnitude and the scope and the scale to give an example we often talk because we work on on birds or birds or sort of front and center.
32:37
[SPEAKER_00]: About 70% of bird populations have been lost in the last 50 years.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's nothing right, 50 years if we as you said we look back on how old birds are as a group, the 150 million years and in 50 years we lose 70%.
32:55
[SPEAKER_00]: That should really, well, it's outrageous.
32:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It should give us goose bumps.
32:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't really, right?
33:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I think that's just how humans are constructed.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We need stories.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to care.
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that has to come through engaging ways of communicating to people.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think arts and sports are just to really big platforms where we can reach people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at scale, which is important.
33:22
[SPEAKER_00]: We can knock on everyone's door.
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to be quick because the negative trends, it's sort of all accelerating, be it by diversity, loss, be it pollution, be it climate change.
33:34
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have much time, right?
33:35
[SPEAKER_00]: So we need to reach people very quickly.
33:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'd say that's my main motivation.
33:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really trying to, for me, it's been trying to
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can I use my skills, my talents, my background, my experience in the most impactful way?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel that's what it is.
33:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's blending those different elements that I'm very passionate about and have always cared about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the wings of survival, basically.
34:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Well said.
34:05
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to touch on your plant-based endurance athletics.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess the question is, first of all, I'm having a hard time personally saying, how would I feel okay if I were to have a vegetarian diet and I was doing these sorts of exertions.
34:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And I know that I've interviewed vegan or vegetarian athletes in the past and I know that it takes some intentionality maybe, would be a word.
34:33
[SPEAKER_04]: But what types of things did you learn on your trip across Canada?
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[SPEAKER_01]: about that how did you stay fueled and feel good yeah so wasn't like some sort of groundbreaking thing we try to maintain what we eat what we eat every day again we did have bill which was nice that helps we were able to cook you know our crew we are a portion the morning and add a bunch of nuts and use protein powders but yeah it's not
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're really lucky in North America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's lots of options.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's lots of vegan options.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it does make it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, your reaction may be reading a label a little more carefully than you would, but often, you know, Bill sometimes would run and grab from a farmer's market, some fresh veggies, but we basically went to a super store and just loaded up two curtains of food, and it was
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So, a big thing was making sure we worked with a sports citation before we left.
35:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So, one eye opener before we left was that we weren't quite getting enough protein and I thought there was more protein in some of the vegan products we were using.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also really big on clean labeled products.
35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want a whole bunch of added fillers, because that's also going to be true.
35:45
[SPEAKER_01]: That off and cause GI distress, which we don't want on a bike either.
35:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we've all been there.
35:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, we worked with her, so it was good to track our meals kind of prior to this, so then I knew how to tweak them.
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just the matter of kind of, I had the tofu with the rice, but then I throw an extra kind of beans in.
36:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Or we'd have kind of this protein based protein yogurt, and then I kind of add an extra scoop of peanut butter or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're just adding a little bit extra.
36:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're burning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were born close to 10,000 calories a day and I was burning 7,000 calories a day.
36:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So making sure Yeah, making sure the caloric inputs like we were putting enough in our bodies and enough of the good fuel was important But I mean it really comes down to your pastas the oats
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[SPEAKER_01]: the beans, the nuts, the wheat that we like, the vegan jerky, and the vegan protein powder, and the vegan bars were nice.
36:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's always this hesitancy to go budget.
36:53
[SPEAKER_01]: People think it's going to be really hard, but definitely North America is not, it's really not hard, and subway was a great on the goal option.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, every time we saw this subway, it was cheap.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: We could get a veggie patty and a wrap, load it with veggies.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It was under $10 and everyone felt pretty good above that.
37:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was mostly quantity.
37:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, quantity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a change quantity.
37:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the type of food was very similar to what we eat here at home.
37:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just the quantity was, was next level.
37:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think as Leanna said earlier, we had the scientists studying us and we don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they've submitted one paper for publication, science takes a long time so we're still waiting for those those results to be officially published but it was across the board it was just really really good results so that helps us in the future for whatever we're doing we can really fall back on those on the scientific knowledge that is generated on ourselves which is obviously not easier than just
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[SPEAKER_00]: sourcing any paper so we can talk with a lot of confidence basically because we ourselves have been studied and it's fun to be front and centre of a scientific paper you don't get this too often yeah and I think one of you can be the specimen yeah yeah yeah and yeah I was just one of those things going because that had been personal trainer for so long and I get asked being vegan and it's healthy for me it's healthy for the environment so
38:22
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it does take some knowledge and some intentionality.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm just going to say that for the listener's sake.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think just not eating meat is not the way to go about it.
38:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think you have to know that you need all the nutrients, all the nutrition, you just have to find the right sources.
38:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And we worked with, like I said, we did work with sports
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, definitely.
38:51
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if our listeners know, but meets our amazing source of all the things that your body needs, of course, because you're an animal too in that regard, so when you give up meet, then that means I think it does take quite a bit of intentionality to do it well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm fascinated by the push that you have to do everything for the sake of a better environment or a better ecosystem, better knowledge about diet, and it seems like all of this is bound together, caring for the birds, caring for the environment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Learning about climate change.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's so much wrapped up in here.
39:29
[SPEAKER_04]: That said, when I interview people that do the big trips through multiple countries, they frequently relate that in the beginning, they thought it was about the adventure and by the end it was really about the people.
39:41
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm curious, what kind of interactions that you've already had with people on your adventures, but what you might anticipate about that for your big one next year.
39:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say, okay, I branch off a little bit, but I very much
39:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I very much agree, so as I said, I've worked a lot in the tropics, and my motivation has always been, by diversity, I want to see all these beautiful animals, or anutans, and elephants, and living amongst them, that's all that's all unique, but it's always been the personal relationships to local people, to my say indigenous or local support people, you know, growing this initially having quite a divide.
40:20
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, but over time fostering this, this a deep relationship.
40:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've always left those places after after years really cherishing those, those human connections.
40:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we'll find this especially once we get into Latin America.
40:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm envisioning a lot of kids are going to be super excited to see us on the bikes, going to join us and
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[SPEAKER_00]: be very much invite people to be part of this journey.
40:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not about being anonymous.
40:49
[SPEAKER_00]: We would really like to have people come and join us and we're partly working with individuals at the moment and organizations in trying to develop a system where communities can be part of this journey.
41:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever we come to a place, we
41:05
[SPEAKER_00]: interact with people and then maybe the next community takes over so really to bring people on this on this physical journey as much as as virtually as well so I can absolutely see this it's about the relationships and I think this is going to be a big component for our journey too.
41:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm, Vienna what are your expectations and aspirations?
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I try not to say anything, expectations.
41:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I just go away with an open heart, an open mind.
41:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for me it's been interesting, yeah, since ultimately I've done quite a bit of traveling over the last little bit, but just how amazing people are.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I think maybe in the past, I've gone in hesitant or scared or nervous in certain situations, but just that we all, we all are human.
41:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And we all kind of want to, we get a lot of helping each other out on an individual basis.
42:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just really interesting when we go, we stay with an amazing family in Columbia.
42:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just how open-hearted they were, you know, we're learning Spanish, it's not very good.
42:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, taking us around town, people really genuinely wanting to help and realizing that there is a large part of this world that it's just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: very like just their hearts in the right place and they want to help and same I feel we're like that isn't individuals as well so it's it's really neat to see that globally.
42:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to see it all the way down the flyway from Alaska all the way down the Patagonia interacting with people and and just building yeah those connections and realizing how amazing people are and they all have their own unique story and
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[SPEAKER_01]: little motivation for us.
42:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't give us motivation, maybe we give them a bit of motivation, but yeah, I look forward to those connections.
43:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Tim, you touched on this a little bit before, but you mentioned how the white papers don't have a very big audience, so you have to reach people on a more emotional level.
43:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess that resonates with me because that's where human connection is, right?
43:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Not everybody wants to read a scientific white paper, but still there are ways to connect with people and a way that is relatable.
43:24
[SPEAKER_04]: What are some of the tools that you employ to do that?
43:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the first one is, as I said in the beginning, it's the parallel journey.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what we are creating here so unique in that we are going on an adventure as humans,
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[SPEAKER_00]: inseparably tied to the migration of birds.
43:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So we cannot tell our story with our talking about birds and it's
43:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this kind of concept of planting seeds, right?
43:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're not.
43:54
[SPEAKER_00]: We're nudging people.
43:55
[SPEAKER_00]: We're giving people a different lens into the natural world.
43:58
[SPEAKER_00]: We're making people feel all about what birds can achieve.
44:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But, say if we said a bird flies from Alaska to across the Pacific, and one continuous stretch without landing, it's just so hard to grasp, right?
44:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But if we say we cycle,
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[SPEAKER_00]: from Alaska to Patagonia, it's going to trigger some kind of response, it's fascinating or cool or crazy, something because we can relate, just like any species, we relate most easily to us humans, so I feel it's having that human element.
44:31
[SPEAKER_00]: front and center but tied into this beautiful evolutionary miracle so animal migrations is a very powerful way to bring people closer to the natural world and birds are obviously just a hook right it's not purely about birds but it's about ecosystems it's about the natural world that sustains us and how we are connected across the globe yes we might live in independent
44:59
[SPEAKER_00]: The hells of us, the hells of the planet is interconnected.
45:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'd say the story in itself is a big element, the science, so because we study our physiology, we can link this back to bird physiology and we know that
45:14
[SPEAKER_00]: there's some species which are breeding in Alaska.
45:17
[SPEAKER_00]: They can change their respiratory system, their cardiovascular system, their digestive system based on the stage, the stage of their seasonal migrations.
45:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So once they're in Alaska, they're eating a lot, they focus on
45:31
[SPEAKER_00]: digestion, building up pet reserves.
45:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But then they start traveling.
45:34
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have to worry so much anymore about taking in food so they can kind of shut down and reduce the size of their digestive system.
45:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But instead they can grow their respiratory system because they need all this stamina and endurance to get to the next stop over which might be a few thousand kilometers away.
45:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're
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[SPEAKER_00]: shrink a grow or respiratory system.
46:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But these are ways that people can just so much more easily understand because we are embarking on this journey so are the birds.
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the story in itself and then it's the science, something else that comes from it, but it's essentially building bridges between us and the birds.
46:22
[SPEAKER_04]: We ended something resonate there, you want to add.
46:25
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I think part of it is how many people we can bring kind of on this journey has to go back to that support vehicle.
46:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, having people join us on Strava and following kind of the birds and us at the same time, I think it's going to be really cool for people to watch, so there's been kind of just that technology bit as well to make sure that we can be engaging with people as we go.
46:50
[SPEAKER_01]: to get people's kind of interest.
46:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Why did these guys fall in birth?
46:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is this important?
46:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And we want people to ask these questions and curious about joining us following our journey as we go because it can be pretty.
47:04
[SPEAKER_04]: People want to do that.
47:05
[SPEAKER_04]: What's the best way?
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so through Instagram at Wings of Survival, and then our website is www.wingsofsurvival.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably the best way to reach us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So as you're going, I mean, you're going to be very busy biking long distances, but are you planning on doing posts, perhaps YouTube videos or blog posts to your website or something, so people can see the play by play?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were definitely hoping on creating that, as we noticed even just on the ride across Canada, there was a lot of dead zones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes, so that again has to go with how much, how great of a vehicle we can get and kind of the, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whether it's satellite or what we can, but the idea is that we can be posting as we go and bring people on a day to day journey across 30,000 plummeters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it'll be fun to see all that turns out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you have the right kind of support vehicle, then get starlake and you'll be golden.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But without that, you're just kind of at the mercy of the terrestrial system.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's see here, we've covered pretty much everything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you mean by sports for nature athletes?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we really describe what that is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's going back to the idea that athletes have a great platform to speak and advocate on and really empowering those athletes doesn't matter which level you are, but to kind of take a sand for nature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: whether it's at, you know, your local organization or just on your own social media channels, but really feeling empowered to do something so that races don't get canceled or, you know, sport doesn't exist anymore because the climate's just in this terrible crisis, but you can elaborate a bit more, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's maybe over the last five years there's been this growing interest by organizations like the United Nations to really advocate for for utilizing the sports platform so much more so the international union for conservation of nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is the the organization responsible for red list of endangered species for example They have an IUCN sports for nature an angle now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's different organizations like global sustainable sport equal S leads Evolving which are really understanding this joint interface of sports in nature, but it so far it's been mostly around
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[SPEAKER_00]: organizations, how do we make organizations like a football club or the UCI or the for example how do we make those organizations more set them on a greener path so speaking making them more sustainable for us it's more really focusing on the athletes themselves we just strongly believe that athletes athletes jointly have probably one of the largest
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[SPEAKER_00]: in what athletes do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they have a lot of followers and and I think we should really utilize this this opportunity to not just show the beautiful places we experience but but kind of tell them more yeah I'm a holistic story of those places perhaps disappearing or facing challenges so really providing more context to to audiences I think that's really important so we are framing it largely around athletes for nature.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have really enjoyed our conversations today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've learned a lot about, I'm going to say I've learned a lot about the environmental impact that athletes can have, the platform, how it can be used to make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Building awareness for how things are changing and what species are threatened, I had no idea that we'd lost 70% of our birds.
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[SPEAKER_04]: you know that species of birds and I find that number to be just shocking and I imagine most of that is because of habitat encrouchment but I don't know that for sure I guess I'm ramling a little bit saying there's so much more that we can learn
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[SPEAKER_04]: and I want to just say thank you for building awareness through what you do through your sports, through your athletic events that you're doing so that people can be aware of things like this that are going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for your time today and for sharing not only what you've done but what you're planning on doing and one more time so if anyone wants to follow you next
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[SPEAKER_04]: June 2026, okay, wings of survival is the website.
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[SPEAKER_04]: At wings of survival is the Instagram, what else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have to go find me like, we'll see, there we go, we'll share it by all means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all on the website.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so go to the website for the GoFundMe.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you would like to help these people make a difference, then that would be a pathway to do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Tim, and Leanna, very much for your time today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You've had, and for all the listeners out there, I say it every show, get out there and have some fun, but always do it for a reason.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Find something that you value a way that you can make a difference and lean into that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: because it just adds so much more meaning to all of it and I do like the idea of sports for nature athletes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can all do that through the Adventure Sports podcast and everywhere else.