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The Force is Strong With This Episode · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stephone
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: never told you production if I hurtrid you, And welcome
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: to a very Star Wars rambling corner with me. You're
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: mostly talking Annie. I hope you'll interject Samantha. Oh no,
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: I love this. We missed you.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: For people who are listening chronologically, we missed you yesterday
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  Speaker 2: and I said you may be gone doing a Star
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: Wars thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to say this is your bit, You're not.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: I do feel bad. I am sorry. I am going
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: to detail the whole thing. Oh are you an upcoming
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: happy hour probably a couple of weeks from now. But
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: it has been a journey a Samantha knows to get
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: a new refrigerator in my apartment and it came to
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: end yesterday and it's still not done. It's still not finished.
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: To be fair, you have drunk this out for about
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  Speaker 2: six months now.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, but now I feel validated because everyone's like, oh,
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: I see why you waited so long.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, there is that level of you waited this long,
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  Speaker 2: but oh my god, that's funny.
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, and is to go buy a house. I'm
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: on the edge. Part of it is Star Wars related because,
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: as I said, I have so much Star Wars. It's
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: so much, So yes, I do, but I also want
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  Speaker 1: to apologize because the reason we're doing this, it is
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: a very haphazard episode that I threw together, is because
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: you were so stressed with this religious series that you've
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  Speaker 1: done such a great job on, You've done so much
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  Speaker 1: research on. But it's like really heavy stuff, right, and
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: you said to me, like, please just do something with
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars, talk about something you love.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, we need, we need a break in
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  Speaker 2: all of the sadness because not only did we do
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: all the trauma stuff, which the last two really heavily
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: weigh on rape culture and abuse culture, then I did
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  Speaker 2: the whole we did the whole Monday many on the
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  Speaker 2: awful sayings of awful men.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, man, we need a break. Can you
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  Speaker 1: see something cheerful? You love Star Wars, Let's do Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: It's around that time, anyway, come on, yes, it is
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: around that time.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel kind of bad though, because it's like
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  Speaker 1: you're doing all this heavy stuff and you're like, now
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  Speaker 1: you talk about the Star Wars, which is just something
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  Speaker 1: I love to do. So it doesn't feel quite.
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  Speaker 2: Even, but I hear no, no, it gives me a
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  Speaker 2: break and I love seeing you happy.
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  Speaker 1: That fills me with joy as well. Okay, good, because yes,
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  Speaker 1: May the fourth, we are actually recording this the day
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  Speaker 1: it's supposed to come out. We'll see if that happens.
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  Speaker 1: If it doesn't, I do not blame Christina. It is
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  Speaker 1: all of my faults, but and mine mostly mine this time.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's you time. Usually it's me. It's me. Let's
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  Speaker 1: just really real. Well either way, it's not Christine's. We'll
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  Speaker 1: say that. But yes, we were recording this on May
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  Speaker 1: the third. Its supposed to come out May the third,
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  Speaker 1: and that is the eve of May the fourth Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars Day, May the fourth be with You, which has
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: been around since the eighties. We talked about it the
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: history of it in I Believe our Princess Leah episode,
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: which we will be rerunning two parter soon. I was
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  Speaker 1: so very excited about that. Also there's Revenge of the Fifth,
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: and also there's an entire calendar called this is the May.
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of sprawled out of control, which is
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  Speaker 1: interesting because I remember when I was growing up, it
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  Speaker 1: was like not a thing you said unless you want
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  Speaker 1: to be made fun of. And now and now it's sarty,
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  Speaker 1: it's I don't know if it's cool, but it's accepted.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the first time I celebrated was coming into
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  Speaker 2: iHeart or stuff. One never told you how stuff works,
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  Speaker 2: and y'all were actually doing a thing, and I was
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  Speaker 2: very abused.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening? What's happening? Yes, And hilariously enough, our good
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  Speaker 1: coworker and friend Ben Jester, who helps us with ads
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of other things. Busamantha likes to annoy
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  Speaker 1: and I enjoy watching annoy from side. He's big into
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  Speaker 1: throwing parties at our new office, and he asked me
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: about throwing a made the fourth one and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's fairly. And then like a month before I was like, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I made a huge mistake because we're all nerds and
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: we all already have plans, so we can't do it
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  Speaker 1: this time. I'm a part of those plans. Oh, we're
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: going to go see The Empire Strikes Back. I think
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in theater since nineteen ninety seven. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very excited. I'm already planning my like subtle cosplay
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  Speaker 1: that I'm going to wear. Yes. Yes, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I also just spent two and a half hours changing
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: out of all of my Luke Skywalker costumes for a
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: TikTok video that dear Joey asked for, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: did not realize what it would entail. I know the
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  Speaker 1: things that I would need to do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I have to figure that stuff out
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  Speaker 2: because I am not prepared.
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  Speaker 1: But I do love that. It was quite the thing,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm flustered for a lot of reasons. I bet
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: you can hear in the audio. It was fun. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't gotten to wear some of those costumes forever, but
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: I was making notes. I was like, what shall I
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  Speaker 1: wear tomorrow? I like it? Yes. And a friend of
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  Speaker 1: the show, Marissa, hung out with me all weekend in
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: a very glorious, hilarious failed attempt to get Taylor Swift tickets.
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: Oh no, y'all didn't make it. We did it, but
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: I wish I had made a podcast of her to
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  Speaker 1: be honest. Descent into madness. Oh no, it was hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: She was just like shouting randomly, what is the meaning
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  Speaker 1: of line? It was so good. I want you to know.
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  Speaker 2: My partner who actually worked those shows, was trying his
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: best to figure out how to sneak her in there.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it, and she was very grateful, and he
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: called us a couple of times. It was very delightful.
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  Speaker 2: She was like, I'm trying. Maybe I could switch days.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think because they had to do
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: a whole nda and all of that, so I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna let you do that.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, no, I don't think so,
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  Speaker 1: but I appreciate the efforts. But in between her hunt
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: for these tickets, we went to go see Return the
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: Jedi in theaters because this is the fortieth anniversary of
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: Returned the Jedi. That was the I think the first
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  Speaker 1: time I've seen that one in theater since nineteen ninety seven.
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: They did play the nineteen ninety seven version, which I'm
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: sure they'll do tomorrow as well, and I'll be very
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: annoying about it just for a second and then I'll
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  Speaker 1: leave you. But it was it was so fun. I mean,
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: I know, to you, this is no surprise, but I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was shocked at how excited I got. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh God, we're watching in theaters. I'm excited. It was cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was really cool, and there were a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: kids there, like people with their families and kids, and
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  Speaker 1: that made me happy that you know, was passing on
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  Speaker 1: through generations and we were all having a good We
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: were all having a good time. It was very very cool. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm excited. I am excited, but I'm just gonna
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: go through some random thoughts that I have because I
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: do have a lot of thoughts, and so this one's
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: a bit messier, but I think it'll still be fun.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: I wanted to start with some thoughts around Solo because
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: we were originally thinking about doing Solo the movie, a
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: Star Wars adventure, but I think we should still do it.
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  Speaker 1: I was hesitating because it would it's not like a
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  Speaker 1: very feminist, but it's one of the few we haven't done.
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: Before you get out into like the e Walk movies,
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: which we talked about. We have talked about those as well.
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  Speaker 1: We have because we did like the prequel trilogy as
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  Speaker 1: one episode. We did the original trilogy and we did
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: the sequel trilogy so we could break those out. We
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  Speaker 1: did Rogue one, which was hilarious, but we haven't done Solo.
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  Speaker 1: I remember seeing Solo in theaters and I went with
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  Speaker 1: my good friend Katie and we had a really good time.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: But at the it wasn't It's not that it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: well reviewed. It got like decent reviews, but everyone was
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: pretty mad about the actor who's playing Han solo, that
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: it wasn't Harrison Ford and it didn't do great box office.
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: And if you see a lot of conversation now about
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: this is why they don't recast the legacy actors, like
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: why Mark Hamill was still Duke Skywalker in the Mandalorian
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: or Book a Bubbafet, they'll say it's because of this,
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: because they tried it and it didn't work, and the
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: people like to argue about it. I have my own thoughts,
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: but that's just something that comes up a lot when
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  Speaker 1: you talk about Solo. So one thing I find really
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  Speaker 1: interesting about this movie though, and our friend Holly major
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: star Wars fan, is the one who kind of turned
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: me on to it, is that Kira, who is Han's
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: love interest in that is sort of the roadmap of
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: his whole issues around commitment and around trust and all
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: of this stuff. Because I was saying, like I kind
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: of don't get Han and Lay's relationship other than I
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: think she's attracted to danger and or they just like
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: put her with that guy. I've heard. I've heard takes
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  Speaker 1: on it that I from people who do think they're
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  Speaker 1: a good couple or think like, here's why it makes sense,
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  Speaker 1: and I've been like nodding my head on I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I see that. But generally for me, I was always
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: kind of like, huh interesting. But Holly made some great
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: points about you know, this being he had this what
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: he thought was the love of his life, and then
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: she shows back up and she's working with his criminal syndicate.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: She doesn't he doesn't know if he can trust her,
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: and then she leaves. At the end, I will say,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: I really really love Kiara as a character. Yeah, she
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: has a good character. I really do. I think she's
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: great in the comics. She fights Darth Vader and doesn't
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: die like she's bad. I really love her. I'm planning
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: on doing a fictional woman around the World on her.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: But she's just she's a very capable person, and I
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: liked how she kind of knew all these she had
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: all these connections and things. And she does meet Leah
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: in the comics and they're kind of funny where they
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: have these conversations complaining about Han and like there's some
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: tis but they connect over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: liked it a lot too. And then I totally forgot
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: about this. I know I've mentioned it before on here,
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: but there is that whole conversation with L three, who
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: is sort of the feminine George.
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, Lando, Okay, gotcha, yes, connecting you were you were?
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm there. Uh huh, and the kind of their
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: their whole relationship. I did like L three as well,
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: but then she becomes kind of the NAVI computer of
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: the Millennium Falcon, which is strange, strange and as you know,
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: me and my friends have had conversations, does that mean
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: Lando is Millennium Falcon? That's you know, something along those
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: lines got too far. These are the questions that we
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: must discuss. There's all the Thandy Newton is in it,
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: and she plays val who sort of feel like second
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: in command to witty Harrelson in this band of kind
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: of thieves, which she doesn't have like a super major role.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: You have Aery Kellyman who plays inphas Nest, who is
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: sort of the leader of the people who have lived
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: on that planet. At the end of red hair, the
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: really red hair and all that stuff. So those are
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: sort of the characters that stood out to me in
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: terms of women in that movie. I will say one
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: of my biggest pet peeves, and I know I would
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: do the same thing. So it's very hypocritical. I hate
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: how Jon Favreau is multiple big characters like a cameo
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: voice is fine, but he's like more than one. I
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: don't like that. I don't like it. You're not wrong.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you for backing me up. You're not wrong. Why
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: does he get to be like two major whatever? All right?
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: This does bring me to something that I call Han
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: Solo syndrome, and I'm not sure I've ever been able
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: to articulate it really well, but basically, when a New
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: Hope came out, the reaction from a lot of people was, Oh,
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: we really like Han Solo, Like he's kind of this
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: smuggler character. He's the one we're really into. And so
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's why the whole who Shot First
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: debate rages on is because George Lucas cannot let go that, Oh,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: this is the character people connected to. Is he a
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: good guy? Is he more of a bad guy? Did
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: he shoot first did whatever whatever, always rehashing this, But
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: I do think one of the other things about Han
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Solo is in the first in A New Hope he
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: was not meant to be a great pilot. They definitely
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: changed that, but he was supposed to be more of
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: a com man, like he's trying to trick them into
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: thinking he's a really good pilot. And that's like when
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: he's like made the Kessel run in twelve Parsex and
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: everyone's like, that's not a measure of time. It was
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: supposed to be kind of on purpose, like he doesn't
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: know what he's doing, ye, And that's I know some
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: people will probably argue with me, but it is in
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: the novelization of A New Hope it's made clear he
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: is like bulting his way through this, and I think
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: that's a funny, like fun story, and it turns out
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: he is a pretty good pilot. And I always love
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: the joke of poor darth Vader loor dar Vader being
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: like what is this old van that shot me in
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: the ass, Like where did this come from? Essentially like
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: this old rickety van. But because we loved him so
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: much and then he became such a legend, I think
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: the whole solo movie is trying to prove like he
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: was a great pilot the whole time. Here is the
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Kessel run. Here is what he did. And I feel
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: like that can be a good I feel like that
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: can be a really fun thing when we have to
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: explain everything in fandom. But I also feel like it
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: can be a really detrimental thing. Well we feel like
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: we have to explain everything in fandom. I liked the movie,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I just kind of feel like
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: we didn't really need to rehash that. Can we not
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: just say maybe he was bing and that's a part
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: of his character? Yes, yes, thank you. There's also something
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I call Harrison Ford syndrome, which is the kind of
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: going back to you only this one actor can play this,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: which I have my thoughts on and I'm not going
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: to go into them, but I do think like a
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: lot of his hesitation to play this character has shaped
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of storylines, which is, you know, if he
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to play the character, it doesn't play the character.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: That's fine, but it is. It's just kind of interesting
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: because it's shaped so many of the major key points
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: of Star Wars movies. So that's something I think about too.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I also forgot to mention I think that this movie.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: When this came out, this one got accused a lot
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: of queer baiting because there was a moment in the
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: trailer that very much implied that, like Orlando and Han
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: might have a thing. Yeah, romantically, I remember that. I
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: remember that was a whole conversation. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: so okay. Those are sort of my condensed thoughts on solo.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I do think we should come back and do it
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: one day, but this week has just been madness, absolute methods.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I was gonna I kind of joked with you. I
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: was like, I really want to talk about religious trauma
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: in Star Wars that you did, in which I said,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: that's you, that's all. I well, I'm not really sure
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: that's what I was looking for, but yeah, if you want.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: But there is a lot of religious drama. No, no,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I support it. I support it.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I think in like modern media, absolutely there's a lot
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: of conversation we can talk about different movies and fiction
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: that definitely delves into it, especially when it comes to like, uh,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: hero worship as well as.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Bad and evil.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: All of that goes into play, and then we talk
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: about like actual supernatural stuff. I feel like sci fi
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: and fantasy really delves into a lot of that.
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  Speaker 1: But that again, that's on you. Bro Oh I'm ready.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I'm ready. Not today, but I am ready because now
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I'm moving into the holiday special. Oh yes, and dear listeners,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: this is how desperate Samantha was to not talk about
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: religious trauma for a minute. She was like, I watch.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I'll actually watch this with you, which I left halfway through.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not doing this and I still
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to watch the b Arthur part one day. Okay.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: It was like after the fantasy dancing scene and Grandpa
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: watching some type of weird porn, I was like, nope,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm done, and watching porn in front of
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: his grandson. I was like, I gotta go.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Not for me, I don't know why not just which.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: By the way, I know some people have asked where
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to find it. You can find it on YouTube. Find
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it while you can, because I have no doubt it
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: will get taken down one day. But it's called the
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: nice copy. I think the nice version Holiday special Star
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Wars a holiday special. It'll come up. It's got millions
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and millions of views. But be prepared, be prepared. There
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: is a documentary coming out about how it was made
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and how so many how did this happen? And I
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: really really want to see it. It was just at
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: south By Southwest and they're looking for a distributor last
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I heard, but I so desperately want to see it,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: even though I know the answer. And also, as I've
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: said before, I'm pretty sure The Holiday Special is why
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: we got the Empire Strikes Back, because George Lucas was like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: never again. Yes, I mean, there is a lot we
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: can talk about with The Holiday Special when it comes
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to feminism, surprisingly because I do think like and this
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: is so fun to describe for someone who's never seen it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: But it's largely set around Chibaka's family, Mala Itchy and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: lumpe very preparing for a life day and Chebacca and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Han are trying to get home time so they can
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: sell break together. But Mala is the matriarch of the family,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and she's the one and she's making the cookies, she's
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: watching the Julia Child like special to make a bomba Sobrze.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: She's the one who's like getting the gifts. She's doing
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: all of these things, all these things that in our
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: own because this is definitely like their Christmas that we
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: do expect. I have expected up four women to do
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: for so long, that kind of like emotional labor. We've
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: talked about before with the holidays. She's doing it, and
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: she's doing it while presumably Chibacca's dad is watching porn
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in the living room.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: And we should have prepared me for that one.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: That's my bad. Sorry, And Shebak is like never around.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I love Chewbacca, but he's like her tea father. He
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: is very much an absentee father. And in fact, when
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I was I had this plot point in our Dungeons
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and Dragons game. Yes, this is like such an nerdy episode.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: All of the players. We're telling Mala like leave him,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: leave his.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: And she did.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: She did? We know, more power to her, I guess.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: And then yes, there is be Arthur who's in this,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and it's one of my favorite parts. She sings a
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: song you think your entire life will flash before your eyes.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: It's six minutes long. She has a really like it's
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: kind of gross because it's this guy who comes in
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and is flirting with her. It's very handsy with her,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: but she's like firing back, not having it and he
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: keeps saying like, I'll never forget the words you said
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to me. And the words she said to him were
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: essentially like come back again next time, and he's just
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: interpreted it as this romantic thing, which she says it
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to everyone when they leave, but it is it's kind
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of rewarding to see her be like nope, or do
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you want to drink? Then we're not talking okay, goodbye? Yes,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: but there there's also like one part that always makeing
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: her cuttergroll my eyes is when the cartoon bit where
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you first introduced a boba fit, there's a poster in
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: one of the windows and it has a woman in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a bikini hanging upside down and I'm like, why does
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: she have to be okay whatever? And then all right,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I know I've mentioned recently I finally listened to the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: radio drama. It's like, I think it's thirty hours. Well,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I also bought it. I bought the disk set because
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I loved it so much. NPR did it, and it
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: really expands on a new hope, especially so I know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: like a lot of those scenes Samantha oriy said, Wow,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: we moved on really Quickick, they don't move on as
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: quickly now. In the radio special, I really really really
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: like It's it's kind of a bummer how much I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: like it because it's such a bigger endeavor to listen
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to that long of a thing. But it has some
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: really interesting stuff around Leah, especially in a New Hope,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: because you one of the things that I literally never
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: thought twice about. But a lot of fans were like, no,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: is that she says, you know, all around is peaceful,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: we have no weapons. That she has a blaster. Yes,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and she was to be better than everybody else. Yes.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So the radio drama expounds upon how she got it
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: because she had this fear of getting married, like being
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: married off as part of a political union, and especially
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: to somebody in the Empire. But there was this guy
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: who was really interested in her and from the Empire,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and they invited him over her and bail Organa, her
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: dad too. They were trying to get information out of him,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and he was talking about how he's going to go
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: hunt all these endangered animals and some kind of sanctuary
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: on all aroun and and then he kind of got
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: threatening and was Leah basically escalated where he was implying
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: like he's gonna turn them in and they were going
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to be imprisoned or whatever, and Leiah grabbed his blaster
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and killed him. And she did not mean to kill him,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think, but she did kill him, and they
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: kind of hid the body where he was going hunting,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and like f did a whole story around it. But
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that's how she got the blaster, and you did hear
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: like her and her her father like arguing about, you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the weapon and how to deal with the empire and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the best way to deal with it. So I thought
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that was really interesting. And then the scene where she
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: gets tortured by Darth Vader, it's really interesting because essentially
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: what happens is like they give her the drug and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: then it's it's like a suggestive drug. So Vader starts
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: saying like I'm your best friend. You can trust me
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: with anything, Like you can tell me anything, Please tell
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: me about the rebels, and then she doesn't. She was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: like resist, and so then he switches it to like
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you were in the worst pain you've ever felt in
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: your life, Like you've never felt anything like this, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: then she feels it even though nothing's happening. It's just
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: how the drug works. So it was a pretty it
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: was a good scene. It was upsetting. Yeah yeah, but
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I do recommend it. I do recommend it. Okay, yeah,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, but it was I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: thought it was pretty well done. I thought it was
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: pretty well. Mark Hamill's in it. He does the voices
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: except for a return to Jedi, He's not in that one.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: But and then Anthony Daniels, who does the three pos
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: in it. But then this brings me to the section
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I call when your life becomes Star Wars because such
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a big fan of Star Wars and everyone knows it
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: that I get like a lot of news alerts about it,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Like Google all the time is giving me these alerts,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and that's how it got spoiled on some major things actually,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: but one that came up recently is there once again
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: people are having this argument about Luke Skywalker's gay can't
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: be and like the quote that Mark Hamill had about
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: is recirculating, which is that basically that character is meant
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to resonate with you and be interpreted by you. So
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: quote if you think he's gay, of course he's gay,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: which is interesting. People are definitely, at least in my
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Star Wars circle, that Google is telling me about are
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: having conversations about it, and then you probably saw the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: they are making a new movie with Daisy Ridley Johuaega
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I think Ray and Finn called Dawn of the Jedi,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and it rebooted the whole Mary Sue conversation around Ray,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: which you can listen to our Mary Sue episode. I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: have a lot of thoughts about that she is not
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a Mary Sue. Okay, that may or may not be
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: a whole section in our upcoming book. So just no
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: know about it, don't worry about it. And then just
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: it's funny because I did have Marissa staying with me
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: as a guest, and I was telling her how I've
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: had to start replacing some of my items because I'm
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: running out of space and so like if I have
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: a normal wine glass that's getting replaced by a Star
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Wars wine glass, and so because people send me these
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: all the Star Wars stuff, which I love, don't stop.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I love it. But it is funny because I was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: telling her, it's like my whole life. Like if you
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: didn't know me well and you came it, I don't
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: know what you would think.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's between this and the Last of Us, though,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: it is slowly coming like Last of Us is catching up.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: It is it is, Oh, that'll be interesting, that will
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: be interesting. And then also a part of the whole
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: life becoming Star Wars thing is I've started to yes
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: published fan fiction, and because I am me and I
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: had such an intense schedule, it's really intense. I love
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: doing it, but it's become work as well too, like
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: my time is sort of shrinking and I have to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: edit that. It's all good stuff, like I like doing it,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: but it's I guess I'm not someone who can just
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: not turn something into kind of work. I'm not good
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: at it. And this is my issue with a lot
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of like TV shows, watching TV shows, or playing games,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: is that I turn it into kind of work. But
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: one thing I've noticed with that is what I call
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the romance conundrum, and that's that even though I don't
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: necessarily like romance that much and I'm an asexual person,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it still turns into romance a lot. And I'm not
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: opposed to that at all, But I do think I
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: saw an interesting conversation about that the other day. Where
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: as much as we've had conversations about the power of
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: friendship and stuff, there still seems to be this idea
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that the romantic relationship is deeper or more important, which
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think is true at all, but it's I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of that's been internalized that way.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So it's been interesting kind of seeing that layout in
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm writing and how people comment on it. Uh
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: So I will have more more to come on that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I was very tempted to just read one of my
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: fair fiction on here, but then I didn't. I couldn't
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: come on. I know you're trying to figure out my name.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I can't have it come on now. No, it's really
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: good though, That's why I was tipped it. I actually
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: am really proud of it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Maybe one day, maybe one day, And then.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of close this out. We do
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: have a short listener mail for you then, but I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: did want to close this out with kind of a
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: note about the importance of taking breaks from heavy work
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: stuff that you've been doing that often comes up on
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: this show, like it is important to take those breaks
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: for us and listeners, but even even from fandom sometimes
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: or at least certain parts of fandom, which has been
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: hard for me, but I haven't. I had to kind
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of stop myself and be like, you know what, you
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: don't really want to watch this right now, so don't
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: make yourself watch it just because it's Star Wars and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: you have Star Wars, so I haven't. Like, I'm not
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: up to date on all the stuff, and that's a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: strange feeling for me. It can feel kind of disloyal
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: or almost like it'll it'll go away. If you don't
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: support it, then it will go away and I will
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: get to that stuff. I'm sure. I just wasn't in
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the mood for it. I just wasn't in the mood
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: for it right then. But that's been interesting for me. Yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I think that kind of headcanon and fan and is
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: getting much more difficult to maintain, which is part of it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And a lot of projects that are coming out recently,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I've heard quotes about them from the creators and I'm like, well,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that sounds like not a thing I would actually like,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But okay, I'm sure one day I'll watch it. I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: do want to say, if I had time, I had
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: this really fun idea for a fan fiction with Yoda
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and Luke living together, because they lived together in that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: hut day time for six months. Yeah, in that tiny
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: hut and you know Yoda is a troll like he
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: will mess with pranks. It would be like a buddy comedy.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I already wrote some of it and it's very, very funny.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: But I'm hoping that I can. I really want to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: do that one day. And I do think, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I know some people can get really annoyed. And I
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: understand actually with things like Me the Fourth and now
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: just Made the Fifth, like Revenge of the Fifth and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: just Star Wars nerds nerding out. But I do think
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: like things like this are silly, but they matter because
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: it is so many people important in terms of the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: storytelling and connecting to characters. Like I said, I used
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of these characters to work through trauma, Like
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: that's part of it. That's part of why it's so
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: important to me in finding that that connection of people
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: who will cheer in the movie theater even though we've
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: seen this movie like five hundred times each and all
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: those like oh there's the ice cream maker in the background,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: like you know, the kind of importance of fandom and
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that connection and you know, and fan fiction where you
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: get to comment and share your love of something I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: do think is really important and can be pretty sustaining,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: not for everybody, but for some people of having that
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: thing that makes you happy that you can like during
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: dark times you're like, you know what, here's my thing.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And of course we've talked about a million times. There
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: is a dark side of fandom, absolutely, and that's part
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of what I'm talking about, is like recognizing that and
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: not ignoring it, because it's important not to ignore it,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: but to like step away from it, like don't engage
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: in it if it's just gonna make the fanboys angry
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and happy that they made you angry too. But yeah,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: this has been my kind of grab bag all over
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the place. Eve of May the fourth, I did want
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to read this message from Dina that we got because
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I do think it kind of showcases what I'm trying
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to say here. So Dina went to Star Wars Celebration,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: which is their big convention. It was in London this year.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Dina wrote, how are you doing? How are you feeling
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: about all of the Star Wars news? Wanted to send
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you a quick high from London and send some photos.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I truly had the time of my life at my
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: first ever convention. Seriously, what comes after you go to celebration,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: met so many awesome, friendly, kind people and all they
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: wanted to do was talk about Star Wars. Said a
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: quick hello to Holly as well after her awesome hails
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: from the Galaxy's Edge panel. Did not expect to cry
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: about a gazillion times. It was just so wonderful being
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: with all these lovely nerds and talking about the things
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: we all love. Shane, you couldn't make it, but Japan
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: sounds pretty incredible. So happy for fans in that region.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that's it. That's kind of the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: beauty of it, what it can be. And the pictures
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: were great. I was very jealous, very great. So thank you,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you Dina for sending that update and
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: also regularly sending Star Wars updates. I so much enjoy it.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I will be talking about future Star Wars projects in
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: our upcoming happy hour, but for now, may the forced
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you with you. Thank you, thank you, thank you for
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: going on this random journey with me. Yes, if you
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: have any Star Wars thoughts, we would love to hear
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: them about any and everything, clearly, yes, all the things,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: all the things be on the lookout for or what
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: could be a pretty wild TikTok my Star Wars cosplays
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: but yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: So.
• 36:06
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• 36:23
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• 36:27
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