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Speaker 1: It's the report.
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Speaker 2: So now opposition leader Angus Taylor promises to get tough
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Speaker 2: on immigrants who don't share our values, but what will
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Speaker 2: he actually do? Donald Trump's wore with the Pope, Why
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Speaker 2: the Pope is wrong? Prince Harry Mega Markel hit Melbourne
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Speaker 2: on their fake royal tour, and the Albanezy government promises
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Speaker 2: to spend billions more on drones, but it still hasn't
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Speaker 2: learned the real lesson from the war in Ukraine. But first,
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Speaker 2: I have been biting my tongue at a lot of
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Speaker 2: the commentary about the charging of war hero Ben Roberts
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Speaker 2: Smith with five alleged war crimes in Afghanistan. Now we're
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Speaker 2: talking about terrible allegations which, if true, would shame Australia,
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Speaker 2: shooting unarmed prisoners, and not in the of war, but
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Speaker 2: later in cold blood, like machine gunning a one legged man,
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Speaker 2: shooting him in the back, ordering others for the murder prisoners.
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Speaker 2: Now Robert Smith may well be as innocent as he says,
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Speaker 2: and I hope he is. But I said my piece
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Speaker 2: at the start of all this that serious charges like
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Speaker 2: this had to be treated seriously and we must slept
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Speaker 2: the courts. Now deside and I then shut up. But
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Speaker 2: since then, politicians, ex politicians, journalists, they've all lined up
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Speaker 2: to try this case publicly and declare Robert Smith innocent,
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Speaker 2: a victim, a fall guy. The Times just seemed like
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Speaker 2: a competition to be more patriotic than thou. So I
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Speaker 2: was very impressed today by Federal Labor MP Luke Gosling,
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Speaker 2: who sent his colleagues an extraordinary email saying, cool it,
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Speaker 2: and let me tell you about Gosling. He served as
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Speaker 2: a commando, his father served in Vietnam, his grandfather served.
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Speaker 1: In World War Two.
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Speaker 2: He is not naive or some armchair expert who knows
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Speaker 2: nothing of war. Gossling has now warned his colleagues don't
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Speaker 2: join in all this chatter. Leave these claims against Robert
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Speaker 2: Smith for a fair trial to resolve. But there's actually
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Speaker 2: more in his email that I want to read out.
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Speaker 1: He goes on.
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Speaker 2: A number of politicians, expolies, and veterans are coming out
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Speaker 2: in support of someone who's been awarded our highest medals
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Speaker 2: for individual bravery, and they are doing so for a
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Speaker 2: multitude of reasons and motivations. There are also many other
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Speaker 2: veterans who are quietly watching proceedings, including some who were
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Speaker 2: witnessed to events and have been significantly and very negatively impacted.
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Speaker 2: In particular, there are former SAS troopers that have extreme
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Speaker 2: moral injury in distress over what they believe to be
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Speaker 2: clear war crimes in Afghanistan that they believe were covered up.
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Speaker 2: Some of these veterans will testify in court. Now, those
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Speaker 2: former troopers that Gosling mentions would be under massive pressure
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Speaker 2: to shut up, to cover up. I know of one
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Speaker 2: who is being called a traitor and much worse for
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Speaker 2: giving evidence against Robert Smith. Now, yes, I do hear
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Speaker 2: the complaints about this legal process, and I must say
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Speaker 2: I share some of them. I thought it was appalling
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Speaker 2: for police to arrest Robert Smith so publicly in front
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Speaker 2: of his daughters, and even worse for Channel nine to
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Speaker 2: be tipped off so that they could film it too.
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Speaker 2: I was particularly horrified to read a claim in the
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Speaker 2: Citny Morning Herald or really a guess that Robert Smith
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Speaker 2: was arrested in New South Wales, not at home in Queensland,
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Speaker 2: to get a more diverse jury than you.
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Speaker 1: Get in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: I assume that means ethnically diverse, although in that case
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Speaker 2: I checked that out with the Federal police and was
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Speaker 2: assured that this, like many other claims, was rubbish. Robert
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Speaker 2: Smith was arrested in New South Wales because the Office
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Speaker 2: of the Special Investigator and of the Comonwealth Director of
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Speaker 2: Public Prosecutions wanted that for jurisdictional reasons, they had their
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Speaker 2: evidence in New South Wales. They had the Special Investigator's
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Speaker 2: office there too. So you're going to hear many other
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Speaker 2: claims about this case. I guess you know some series
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Speaker 2: many wild before this trial. Some will be made for
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Speaker 2: good reasons, others because the people making them have something gain,
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Speaker 2: like votes or clicks on social media.
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Speaker 1: But how often has the mob been wrong?
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Speaker 2: In the Craig McLaughlin case, in the George pell case,
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Speaker 2: the Lindy Chamberlain case. So merging people to just stop
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Speaker 2: a man has been charged. Let's see the evidence in
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Speaker 2: the one place we're likely to get it in court,
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Speaker 2: because ben Robert Smith is not the only soldier in
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Speaker 2: this case who wants justice done. Now, talking about our army,
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Speaker 2: the Albany is the government told us today it is
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Speaker 2: learned lessons from the war in Ukraine. The greatest modern
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Speaker 2: lesson really on how weak countries can fight the strong
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Speaker 2: and win, and it strones. Plus, on Thursday, the government's
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Speaker 2: going to show us how much it now loves them.
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Speaker 3: We'll be announcing a five billion dollar increase in our
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Speaker 3: ten year plans to acquire drones and encounter drones. At
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Speaker 3: the moment we're spending ten billion dollars, will be spending
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Speaker 3: fifth after fifteen billion dollars over the decade.
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Speaker 1: We've learned a.
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Speaker 3: Lesson from the uk Crane conflict on what we're seeing
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Speaker 3: in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: Sounds great?
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Speaker 2: You think the three things still worrying me because I
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Speaker 2: don't think the government has fully learned the lessons of Ukraine. One,
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Speaker 2: this is funding over ten years. Ukraine became a world
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Speaker 2: leader in drone warfare in just four years, four after
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Speaker 2: Russia invaded.
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Speaker 1: Have we got a decade to arm ourselves? Two?
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Speaker 2: This funding is still skewed to the big kit that
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Speaker 2: generals and politicians love.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: The ghost Bat drone in particular was mentioned, an unmanned
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Speaker 2: aerial combat vehicle worth up to twenty million dollars each,
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Speaker 2: and the Ghost Shark, the world's largest unmanned submarine godners
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Speaker 2: with that cost. But Ukraine and Iran have shown us
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Speaker 2: that the real trick is to build lots of cheap
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Speaker 2: stuff that will cost more than the other side can
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Speaker 2: afford to shoot down, and so many that some will
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Speaker 2: sneak through defenses. I mean, you look at Looke.
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Speaker 1: Ukraine, that's using cheap marine drones.
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Speaker 2: That can blow up navy vessels worth half a billion dollars,
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Speaker 2: drones that last month blew up a Russian gas tanker
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Speaker 2: route even in the Mediterranean, and sake a Russian military
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Speaker 2: icebreaker in a port in the Baltic Or there's Iran
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Speaker 2: with this huge stock of shah attack drones costing twenty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars each that America was having to use Patriot
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Speaker 2: missiles worth four million dollars to shoot down. Or Ukraine
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Speaker 2: now selling the Gulf States drone interceptors instead of those
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Speaker 2: Patriots interceptors that cost just two thousand dollars three thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars and can destroy an Iranian shahad worth maybe ten
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Speaker 2: times that. And Ukraine it's now so advanced that it
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Speaker 2: makes around five million drones a year, five million a year.
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Speaker 1: More than it needs even for its own against Russia.
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Speaker 2: And that is why, of course its president was in
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Speaker 2: the Gulf States a couple of weeks ago selling his
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Speaker 2: drone interceptors in exchange for loans. Ukraine badly needs cash
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Speaker 2: and guess what enough oil for Ukraine's military to last
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Speaker 2: a year.
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Speaker 1: Even in this crisis.
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Speaker 2: And the third lesson from Ukraine decentralize and democratize your army.
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Speaker 2: Unlike our highly centralized military, Ukraine has pushed a lot
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Speaker 2: of decision making two frontline units, so much so that
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian Army even has a kind of Amazon site where
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Speaker 2: those units can order exactly the right kind of many
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Speaker 2: kinds of drones for the particular targets that they're facing,
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Speaker 2: and each unit can use a budget from the government
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Speaker 2: they can then top up by showing evidence of the
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Speaker 2: targets they've destroyed. The more successful, the more money they get,
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Speaker 2: and the supporters can also donate to each unit to
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Speaker 2: buy more equipment or from army approved suppliers. Can you
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Speaker 2: imagine such decentralized procurement here? And more than that, Ukraine
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Speaker 2: maps all the attacks, all the targets destroyed, all the
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Speaker 2: missiles flying in and out in real time on a
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Speaker 2: site that's available on iPads used by the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: down as Flodi min Selenski explained in London last month.
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Speaker 4: This is an iPad with software that lets us control
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Speaker 4: our security in real time. It is true we have
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Speaker 4: these iPads. I have one, my Prime minister has won,
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Speaker 4: our Minister of Defense, and our top military commandos they
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Speaker 4: have it. It lets us see the front line in
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Speaker 4: Ukraine and even every enemy killed with video proof. iPad
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Speaker 4: also shows every strike in our skyes, our see area,
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Speaker 4: and our longer striking against Russia. It gives us real
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Speaker 4: time control over people's safety and our infrastructure and energy sector.
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Speaker 2: I should have said it's an iPad information that everyone
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Speaker 2: from the president down has got.
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Speaker 1: Now. Ukraine also has a system they can instantly.
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Speaker 2: Judge what weapons they need against particular drones and missiles
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Speaker 2: flying in so it doesn't waste expensive patriot missiles for
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Speaker 2: a start, on tags that could be blown up by
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Speaker 2: something cheaper. It is even on the brink of developing
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Speaker 2: a system that let's a commander say to a drone
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Speaker 2: operator or actually they just command the drones themselves, drones
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Speaker 2: with AI. Look in this particular sector of the front.
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Speaker 2: We know there are only enemy troops, no civilians, none
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Speaker 2: of ours. Nothing, Search and kill whatever moves, whatever you
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Speaker 2: can find leave it to AI. Obviously there are ethical
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Speaker 2: issue who is there that they're having to sort out?
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Speaker 2: That could be next. So have we really learned from Ukraine?
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Speaker 2: Are we ahead of the technology curve or still way behind?
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Speaker 2: Our survival may depend on this. Okay, to local politics.
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Speaker 2: The big speech today by Opposition leader Angus Taylor promising
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Speaker 2: to get a lot tougher and want to be immigrants
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Speaker 2: who don't share our values is the kind of suftware
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Speaker 2: not used to hearing from liberal leaders lately. But the
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Speaker 2: rise of Pauline Hansen that's changed everything.
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Speaker 5: For too long we've turned a blind eye to the
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Speaker 5: reality of immigration and integration. Those who migrate from liberal
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Speaker 5: democracies have a greater likelihood of subscribing to Australian values
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Speaker 5: compared to those coming from other places. Australia has a
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Speaker 5: non discriminatory immigration program, but for an immigration program to
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Speaker 5: work in the national interest, it must discriminate based on values.
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Speaker 2: Now, how Taylor is going to achieve all that is
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Speaker 2: you won't fully explain yet. I mean there's some hints already,
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Speaker 2: and more tests of people from countries that aren't liberal
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Speaker 2: democracies like ours go through the social media accounts retest
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Speaker 2: the three thousand people from Gaza to the Albanize. He
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Speaker 2: gave tourists visas to tough values tests. But some of
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Speaker 2: this does sound a bit like what has been done already,
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Speaker 2: if not quite enough. That said, the soundbites I think
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Speaker 2: would please many on the right.
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Speaker 6: Past governments blindly repeated mantras about Australia being the world's
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Speaker 6: most successful multicultural society and diversity of being our strength.
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Speaker 6: Such doctrines saw us open our borders to people who,
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Speaker 6: far from wanting to join and contribute to Australia, have
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Speaker 6: wanted to take from Australia and even change Australia to
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Speaker 6: suit them.
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Speaker 2: Fairly obvious, but already Taylor has been denounced by the
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Speaker 2: Greens for a Start Big Surprise as a racist, apparently
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Speaker 2: like one nation in Trump. Even though it is claimed
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Speaker 2: that people have similar liberal democracies to ours are more
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Speaker 2: likely to fit in is backed by research overseas. You
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Speaker 2: take the Netherlands were A recent paper published by the
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Speaker 2: Institute of Labor Economics found that where people migrated from
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Speaker 2: and why it mattered. Migrants of working age moving to
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Speaker 2: the Netherlands for work made a positive net contribution to
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Speaker 2: the country of more than two hundred thousand each, but
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Speaker 2: asylum seekers costs on average eight hundred thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: And this more here's the lead author.
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Speaker 7: For example, people from former guest worker countries like Turkey
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Speaker 7: and Morocco and more in general, large parts of the
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Speaker 7: Middle East and Africa and the Caribbean for example. That
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Speaker 7: is from a fiscal point of few very costly immigration,
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Speaker 7: while people from in general, or Scandinavia or East Asia
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Speaker 7: or let's say Anglo Saxon countries are contribute.
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Speaker 1: You're seeing a lot.
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Speaker 2: So what would Angus Taylor actually do? Were you letting
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Speaker 2: more immigrants from Europe and East Asia and fewer from
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Speaker 2: the Middle Eastern Africa, would you slash the refugee intake?
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Speaker 2: Now that may come later, of course. When Taylor announced,
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Speaker 2: its just how many migrants are let in. But so
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Speaker 2: far one nation's maying to be Josphers isn't impressed.
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Speaker 1: You have to put some meat on the bone.
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Speaker 8: What exactly do you mean if someone doesn't believe in
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Speaker 8: democracy that they shouldn't be here? Well, how did you
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Speaker 8: do ascertain that they didn't believe in democracy? Now, how
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Speaker 8: did you go about that? If they don't have our values.
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Speaker 8: What part of the world we said to be dancing
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Speaker 8: around an issue that you don't want to say. I
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Speaker 8: imagine you're talking about places where the fundamentalist in Islam.
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Speaker 1: Why do you just say it.
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Speaker 8: We're going to identify these countries and we won't be
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Speaker 8: taking immigrants from those countries.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is our regular Tuesday commentator Matt Canavan, Leader
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Speaker 2: of the Nationals.
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Speaker 1: Matt, great to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor step one announces the principles of the new
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Speaker 2: immigration the hard part. We'll be putting that into action.
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Speaker 2: What would you like to see happen.
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Speaker 1: Well, Andrew.
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Speaker 9: I think one of the more significant things that Andrew,
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Speaker 9: sorry Angus has announced today is better vetting. I mean,
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Speaker 9: it has shocked me for some time that it seems
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Speaker 9: easier to get into this country than it does to
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Speaker 9: get a gym membership. There's very little vetting done, and
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Speaker 9: with technology, with AI even surely there's ways which we
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Speaker 9: can soort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak,
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Speaker 9: and make sure and make sure as much as possible
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Speaker 9: that the people come to this country, including on temporary visas,
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Speaker 9: people are not going to do damage to our nation,
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Speaker 9: to our values, our beliefs ultimately our social cohesion. And
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Speaker 9: so today the really significant thing I think is saying
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Speaker 9: getting serious on that vetting. We do that with candidates
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Speaker 9: that come and seek to run for our political parties.
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Speaker 10: We're used to it.
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Speaker 9: It should be an exclusive club to come to this country,
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Speaker 9: especially to get citizenship, and with so many people now
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Speaker 9: posting their real views online, I think it's a very
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Speaker 9: significant step to say, look, we're going to use people's
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Speaker 9: social media accounts. We're going to demand that they provide
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Speaker 9: those If they don't provide them properly, inaccurately, that's a
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Speaker 9: breach in and of itself. But then when they do
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Speaker 9: provide them, we can go through them. And if they've
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Speaker 9: been supporting terrorism, if they've been posting people with parachutes
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Speaker 9: on October seventh, well those people don't have to come
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Speaker 9: to this.
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Speaker 10: Country in my view.
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Speaker 9: Likewise, there are other very important measures here in ounce
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Speaker 9: today there are tens of thousands of people that are
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Speaker 9: extending their visa claims on spurious asylum claims. Angus announced
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Speaker 9: that we'd establish a safe country list. That is a
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Speaker 9: list of countries which we deem do not have human
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Speaker 9: rights abuses and can by default be countries that people
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Speaker 9: are just simply deported to, and we stop the charade
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Speaker 9: where the legal system is abused in a frivolous manner
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Speaker 9: simply to keep people in this country. This builds on
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Speaker 9: something that the UK are doing, and it also of
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Speaker 9: course builds on the strong record border protection that the
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Speaker 9: Liberal National Parties have always governed by. We do we
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Speaker 9: should take credit for Tony Abbott's actions to close the borders,
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Speaker 9: to Labour's reopening of the boat the boat trade. In
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Speaker 9: the twenty tens, John Howard of course introduced the value statements.
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Speaker 9: We're going to make a condition, not a not just
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Speaker 9: a signed statement. He reaffirmed the importance of subscribing to
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Speaker 9: our country, and of course the principle that John Howard
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Speaker 9: established that we get to decide who comes this country
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Speaker 9: and the circumstances in which they come. That is all
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Speaker 9: the tradition of the Liberal and National parties, and Agaspeech
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Speaker 9: today builds on that, strengthens that and once again we'll
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Speaker 9: restore strong borders to our nation now.
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Speaker 1: Matt Matt totally on board.
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Speaker 2: Totally on board, except I wanted to know how you
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Speaker 2: actually you know testing look at social media that's the
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Speaker 2: government says, that's the kind of thing it does already.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it does it. In many cases it
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Speaker 2: says that some one of the weapons or tools is
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Speaker 2: scott what does better vetting.
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Speaker 9: I've just applied for a visa in the United States,
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Speaker 9: and this is something that Trump administration has outed. They
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Speaker 9: ask for your social media accounts, and that should be
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Speaker 9: done here everyone.
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Speaker 1: That's no exceptions. That's correct.
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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is what practical means, other than
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Speaker 2: more vetting of social media, would you take to establish
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Speaker 2: the people of different values?
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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how that's measured.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 9: We're also strengthening that value statement that, as I hinted
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Speaker 9: at or just briefly mentioned before, would be made a
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Speaker 9: condition of your visa entry. That would include support for
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Speaker 9: obviously the rule of the law, rule of law, free speech,
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Speaker 9: equality before the law. And also importantly that English is
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Speaker 9: our number, Our is our language. It's important for people
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Speaker 9: to learn English to become Australian, says, and so we
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Speaker 9: maintain that social cohesion that we're losing under Labour's botched
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Speaker 9: reopening of our border post COVID. So all of those
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Speaker 9: things have become a condition then, and what that means
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Speaker 9: is any breach of those conditions, any statement that's made
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Speaker 9: subsequent to arrival that doesn't meet those values can be
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Speaker 9: grounds for deportation. And we won't be afraid too, as
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Speaker 9: I said earlier, deport people who do not have a
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Speaker 9: right to be in this country. We're a welcoming country.
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Speaker 9: We are happy always to take migrants from areas of
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Speaker 9: the world, from people who have beliefs that share our values,
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Speaker 9: that can add to our country. I'm a product of
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Speaker 9: migration from two generations ago. That's a great thing for
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Speaker 9: our nation. But we should be doing a much better
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Speaker 9: job enforcing that. I'd say, Andrew, we used to do it.
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Speaker 9: But we used to do that.
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Speaker 2: I was just I know my parents came over in
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Speaker 2: the old system, But does that mean steering intake numbers
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Speaker 2: away from countries that aren't liberal democracies.
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Speaker 9: But look, I think we should judge people by their
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Speaker 9: character on an individual basis. The discrimination as Andrew as
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Speaker 9: Angus said, Sorry, Andrew, the discrimination that we should apply
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Speaker 9: is between people of different values, not based on their race,
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Speaker 9: their nationality, or other variables. That should be the discrimination
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Speaker 9: of our system. It's always been that way. For a
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Speaker 9: long long time. As you say, both of us are
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Speaker 9: products of that migration system. And at the time people
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Speaker 9: were worried that Catholics or people from non English speaking
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Speaker 9: countries could not integrate in this country. Really they did
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Speaker 9: so successfully. They've done so successfully from the Southeast Asian region.
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Speaker 9: I mean, we're the ones that have been consistent on this.
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Speaker 9: Thirty odd years ago, Pauline said we'd be swamped by Asians.
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Speaker 9: She doesn't say that anymore because it turned out the
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Speaker 9: Vietnamese refugees that came here in the ninety seventies, the
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Speaker 9: migrants that came here were excellent. Australians have been fantastic
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Speaker 9: to our nation. Haven't been rich to our country, and
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Speaker 9: so for from a non democratic country, Andrew, they escaped
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Speaker 9: from a communist country. But they've been fantastic migrants. So
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Speaker 9: the principle here should be you subscribe to you our values,
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Speaker 9: you integrate well into Australian society. We'd love to have you,
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Speaker 9: have you in a sustainable way of sustainable numbers, and
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Speaker 9: that will be the the same successful migration program. Then
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Speaker 9: that the Howard government presided over the Abbot government presided
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Speaker 9: that a liberal national government in the future can preside over.
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Speaker 1: To Matt Kenevan. Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: After the break Donald Trump versus the Pope, Why the
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Speaker 2: Pope is wrong?
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Speaker 1: I had no idea.
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Speaker 2: The media left so admired the Pope's teachings and not
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Speaker 2: an abortion in the Bible, of course, not on religious stuff. No,
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Speaker 2: they admired the teachers of the Pope on military strategy,
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Speaker 2: international promisee military law.
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Speaker 1: So the Pope is a.
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Speaker 2: Hero after he gave this sermon against Trump's war with Iran.
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Speaker 11: Asking all people of goodwill to search always for peace
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Speaker 11: and that violence, to reject war, especially a war which
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Speaker 11: many people have said is an unjust war, which is
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Speaker 11: continuing to escalate and which is not resolving anything. In fact,
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Speaker 11: we have a worldwide economic crisis, energy crisis, situation in
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Speaker 11: the Middle East of great instability, which is only provoking
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Speaker 11: more hatred throughout the world.
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Speaker 2: So which first of the Bible was the Pope quoting
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Speaker 2: and declaring the war unjust, illegal and the failure? And
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Speaker 2: when the Pope says reject war, it's not choosing peace,
22:37
Speaker 2: it's choosing to leave Iran a terrorist regime that kills
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Speaker 2: its own people in place, and with four hundred kilos
22:43
Speaker 2: of uraniums and rich for nuclear bombs. A former deputy
22:47
Speaker 2: speaker of Iran's parliament is optenly admitted that is Iran's plan.
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Speaker 10: Well, I'm thank you about it. In failure attestation want
22:56
Speaker 10: to stop the.
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Speaker 2: So Trump is right to criticize the pope and Vice
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Speaker 2: President JD. Vance, devout Catholic was right to tell the
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Speaker 2: Pope to stay in his lane.
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Speaker 11: I do not look at my role as being political politician.
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Speaker 10: I not want to get into it to meet with him.
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Speaker 11: I don't think that the message of the Gospels was
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Speaker 11: meant to be abused in the way that some people
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Speaker 11: are doing.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's not Trump and JD. Vance. But they were upset,
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Speaker 1: but away we go. The media are only.
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Speaker 2: Too happy to trash Catholics for years now sides for
23:33
Speaker 2: the Pope against Trump on this war. In fact, they
23:35
Speaker 2: are even now upset by blasphemy against Christians. After Donald
23:40
Speaker 2: Trump posted on social media this image of himself is
23:43
Speaker 2: Jesus that said, I mean even Trump realizes being a
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Speaker 2: donkey and deleted that image and then lied about it.
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Speaker 8: I did first it and I thought it was me
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Speaker 8: as a doctor and.
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Speaker 10: Had to do with red cross.
23:58
Speaker 8: It's supposed to be me as a duct making people better,
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Speaker 8: and I do make people better.
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Speaker 10: I make people a lot better.
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Speaker 1: Now, What's being ignored in the meantime with all this.
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Speaker 2: Fussor Trump tim Tump, Tump Tump, Tump, Trump Pope, is
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Speaker 2: that Trump's blockade of Uranian ports, which started to day,
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Speaker 2: is adding huge pressure to the Iranian regime by denying
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Speaker 2: it oil money. And just when he RAN's Central Bank
24:23
Speaker 2: has worn the president of Iran, it will take more
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Speaker 2: than a decade to rebuild the economy. I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: in huge trouble. Donald Trump today even claimed the regime
24:32
Speaker 2: wanted more peace talks now, but insists that it would
24:36
Speaker 2: have to give up its nuclear weapons program. I spoke
24:39
Speaker 2: earlier to Bolt Report regular Sean Spicer, donald Trump's first
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Speaker 2: White House spokesman.
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Speaker 1: Sean Spicer, Great to see you again.
24:47
Speaker 2: Was it a mistake for Donald Trump to post an
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Speaker 2: ai image of himself as Jesus?
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Speaker 12: You know, the funny part is, I don't know that
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Speaker 12: anyone's uh equated him to Jesus as far as I know,
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Speaker 12: and I think it was more of a deity. Look,
25:05
Speaker 12: he has a lot of fun I didn't take offense
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Speaker 12: to it. I mean, look, I think if you're offended
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Speaker 12: by this, I think you must have been living under
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Speaker 12: a rock for the last ten years.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm relieved to see, well, am, I relieved to
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Speaker 2: see that the media suddenly cares about blasphemy, at least
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Speaker 2: when it comes to Christianity. I know they cared about
25:29
Speaker 2: it when it came to images of the prophet Muhammad,
25:31
Speaker 2: But now you know, Wow, is this broad with the pope?
25:35
Speaker 1: Personally?
25:36
Speaker 2: I think that the Pope should have stayed in this
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Speaker 2: lane right, talked about what's in the Bible, the biblical
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Speaker 2: teachings sure be against war in principle, no problem with that,
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Speaker 2: talk about peace, but he also dared to speak like
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Speaker 2: some expert on military strategy and international law, which is it's.
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Speaker 1: Not an expert.
25:59
Speaker 2: I know that those things, you know, the wars of failure,
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Speaker 2: the wars could be illegal, all that kind of stuff.
26:04
Speaker 2: Do you think that criticism will sting will affect how
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Speaker 2: Trump is viewed in religious circles.
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Speaker 12: No, And here's why I largely agree with you, Andrew.
26:15
Speaker 12: The pope has a role to talk about peace and
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Speaker 12: love and what the Gospel preaches for all of us.
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Speaker 12: But I honestly believe that where and again I'm very
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Speaker 12: careful because I really would love to end up in
26:27
Speaker 12: having some point, So I'm very careful about what I
26:31
Speaker 12: say with respect to the Holy Father. But I would
26:35
Speaker 12: just argue that the Holy Father spoke about peace, and
26:38
Speaker 12: I would argue that the President shares that goal of peace.
26:41
Speaker 12: It's a Ran that doesn't and a Ran that has
26:44
Speaker 12: for forty seven years reaked havoc on the world. I'm
26:48
Speaker 12: killed innocent civilians, chanted death to America, death to Israel.
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Speaker 3: And it is Donald Trump, through.
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Speaker 12: A new series of tactics that every president has proclaimed
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Speaker 12: that they weren't going to let a Ran have a
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Speaker 12: nuclear weapon or stop the threats that they posed. It's
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Speaker 12: Donald Trump that finally took action to stop that. And
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Speaker 12: what the Pope, I think, really was trying to take
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Speaker 12: issue with was some of the rhetoric. And I got
27:12
Speaker 12: to be honest with you, look for forty seven years, parties,
27:16
Speaker 12: presidents of both parties have talked about action that they
27:19
Speaker 12: would take and the threat that I Ran post and
27:21
Speaker 12: then frankly done little to nothing. And so I would
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Speaker 12: just urge the Pope to look at what the end
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Speaker 12: game is. The Vice president was in Pakistan for twenty
27:31
Speaker 12: one hours straight and they posted publicly what the six
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Speaker 12: issues were that they wanted I ran to agree to.
27:38
Speaker 12: All of them were about peace and peace. Frankly, that
27:43
Speaker 12: is a lot closer to countries in Europe and the
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Speaker 12: Gulf state countries than it is to the United States.
27:50
Speaker 12: I've said this before, Andrew, but I want to make
27:52
Speaker 12: sure I emphasize this to everybody. The easy choice for
27:56
Speaker 12: Donald Trump was to do nothing, as so many othersidents
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Speaker 12: have done. He could have with the midterms coming, said look,
28:04
Speaker 12: let's get beyond the midterms. Let's see if they pose
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Speaker 12: an additional strike. I don't think there's that much political
28:09
Speaker 12: upside to what Donald Trump did, to be honest with you,
28:13
Speaker 12: but it was the right thing to do for America.
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Speaker 1: It was the right thing to do for the world.
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Speaker 12: Frankly, the President's tactics have been very focused on achieving
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Speaker 12: a piece, getting rid of that uranium, getting rid of
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Speaker 12: the other military capabilities, the military industrial complex, so that
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Speaker 12: they can't reconstitute a threat to not just the United States,
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Speaker 12: but to all of its neighbors in the Gulf region,
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Speaker 12: all of Europe, etc.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right.
28:38
Speaker 2: I mean The real war for many of the media
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Speaker 2: is nothing to do with around. The real war is
28:42
Speaker 2: the proof Donald Trump is wrong and to make him
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Speaker 2: lose and make him look like a fool.
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Speaker 1: Whatever he does.
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Speaker 2: I think that's you know it, Ran is irrelevant to them.
28:51
Speaker 2: It's just ammunition. It's not an issue. And on its own,
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Speaker 2: Pat you mentioned politically it would have been easy for
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Speaker 2: to doing now. I think politically it's not playing out
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Speaker 2: that will in the polls, at least for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: What do you think he'll now do? Will he finish
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Speaker 2: the job or will he cut and run?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think he's going to finish the job.
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Speaker 12: And here's here's what's so interesting about the current tactic
29:17
Speaker 12: of a blockade. I think Iran initially recognized that they
29:21
Speaker 12: had some sort of hand to play with respect to
29:24
Speaker 12: which ships could sail unobstructed through the strait, right, so
29:29
Speaker 12: they get to pick and choose who would get through
29:33
Speaker 12: what the trunck. What the President did is literally play
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Speaker 12: a Trump card and say okay. Initially, the two prevailing
29:39
Speaker 12: options were boots on the ground. Marines in particular put
29:43
Speaker 12: them on the ground in the straight take carg Island.
29:45
Speaker 12: There were several options that involved US assets on the
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Speaker 12: ground that would have been a lasting thing or somehow
29:51
Speaker 12: try to figure out how to get the straight open.
29:54
Speaker 12: By putting the blockade in place, what the President has
29:57
Speaker 12: done is not only threatened a RAN's lifeline economically, but
30:02
Speaker 12: really kind of brought to bear China and Russia into
30:05
Speaker 12: this fight to put additional pressure on a RAN to
30:07
Speaker 12: make a deal. And it gets back to what you
30:09
Speaker 12: said just a minute ago. The ultimate deal is this
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Speaker 12: full stop. All we're asking for is that they stop
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Speaker 12: and cease any attempt to enrich the uranium in pursuit
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Speaker 12: of a nuclear weapon that would harm the global world,
30:21
Speaker 12: like the global population. So what he has done by
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Speaker 12: doing this, I think is brilliant because it wasn't one
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Speaker 12: of the initial options that a lot of people thought
30:30
Speaker 12: he had, and I look at it like literally a
30:32
Speaker 12: checkmate kind of move.
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Speaker 2: And in fact calling the ceasefires helped him because it's
30:38
Speaker 2: freed up these ships that were involved in the bombing
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Speaker 2: and the attacks and all that kind of thing, free
30:43
Speaker 2: them up to do exactly this the blockade and start
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Speaker 2: anti mind activities in the Gulf.
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Speaker 1: So we shall see how it all ends up. Sean
30:51
Speaker 1: spicea thank you so much in ded for your time.
30:54
Speaker 9: You met Andrew.
30:54
Speaker 1: Thank you. After the break pulling Hanson cries.
30:58
Speaker 2: On radio after being forced to sack a convicted rapist
31:02
Speaker 2: on a staff.
31:06
Speaker 1: One bit of good news for you today.
31:08
Speaker 2: Petrol prices around the country are back under two dollars
31:11
Speaker 2: a liter in every capital city except Hobart, and diesel
31:14
Speaker 2: prices down under three dollars everywhere except Melbourne and Darwin.
31:19
Speaker 2: Seems like everyone did what the Albanize government told us
31:21
Speaker 2: to do and it's had this week took the roof
31:25
Speaker 2: racks off their cars. See what a difference it makes.
31:28
Speaker 2: But to the panel, Scone News contributed Louise Roberts and
31:31
Speaker 2: Michael danb Be, former federal labor politician and Chairman of
31:34
Speaker 2: the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defense and Trade.
31:39
Speaker 2: Michael Anger stated speech and Immigration today, pointing out the
31:42
Speaker 2: bleeding obvious that immigrants come from liberal democracies like our
31:45
Speaker 2: ownA more likely to share our values, and people that
31:48
Speaker 2: don't share our values shouldn't be here. I'm left thinking, yes,
31:53
Speaker 2: but what are you actually going to do about that?
31:56
Speaker 2: We got a couple of answers from Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 1: What did you think?
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Speaker 13: I thought Canavan was going down the right track by
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Speaker 13: saying it should be about values, not necessarily countries. So,
32:09
Speaker 13: for instance, we've got all of those nice people who
32:12
Speaker 13: are victims of dash from Iraq, the Zds. We've got
32:17
Speaker 13: a lot of Christians from Syria who are good people too,
32:22
Speaker 13: but they've all had extensive security checks, presumably as he
32:29
Speaker 13: has been through all of their social media. I don't
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Speaker 13: think that it's fair to have people come from some controversial,
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Speaker 13: let's be honest about it, Muslim or Middle Eastern countries
32:45
Speaker 13: without checking them properly.
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Speaker 10: I want to shock you and sky viewers Andrew by.
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Speaker 13: Saying I think already Australia to a lesser extinct but
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Speaker 13: the UK, Canada, Germany have all had their politics and
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Speaker 13: foreign affairs made more neutralists by the mass immigration we've
33:05
Speaker 13: had from undemocratic outs of the world.
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Speaker 2: Well so true, because wars in the Middle East now
33:11
Speaker 2: turned to be to trouble in the streets of Western capitals,
33:15
Speaker 2: No wonder they've suddenly gotten very scared about confronting you around.
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Speaker 1: But Louise, I just struggle to know how.
33:25
Speaker 2: Much different the a liberal government would be to a
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Speaker 2: present government, except you know what they're doing but a
33:34
Speaker 2: bit more. There's a few differences, but not enough to
33:38
Speaker 2: make a big difference.
33:39
Speaker 1: I would have thought yes.
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Speaker 14: I think what Angus Taylor is trying to say, though,
33:44
Speaker 14: is that extremists and anyone who has that sort of
33:47
Speaker 14: radical ideology is on notice that we don't want those
33:51
Speaker 14: people here, and you know, any sort of attends by
33:54
Speaker 14: them to actually immigrate to the country, they'll be turned
33:57
Speaker 14: around and sent back, I guess. But it's quite clear
33:59
Speaker 14: that he chasing the one nation vote. But whether you
34:03
Speaker 14: were planning on voting for one nation, whether you would
34:05
Speaker 14: suddenly switch back to the Coalition or Liberals, I don't know.
34:08
Speaker 14: You'd probably see them as a bit of a pretender
34:10
Speaker 14: on this topic in a way, when they've taken so
34:12
Speaker 14: long to come out with anything on that. And I
34:15
Speaker 14: just think any discussion about it is good. But you know,
34:20
Speaker 14: we've got to make sure we don't go down the
34:22
Speaker 14: racist line that people accuse us of being racist or
34:25
Speaker 14: being sort of, you know, too old fashioned in a
34:28
Speaker 14: way that we can't have these proper discussions, because it's
34:30
Speaker 14: very important that we do so. At least I guess
34:32
Speaker 14: they're doing something, although I did notice that the Greens
34:35
Speaker 14: today said that they were trying to usher in like
34:37
Speaker 14: a twenty twenty six version of the wide Australian policy,
34:40
Speaker 14: which I thought.
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Speaker 1: Was acsttty ridiculous.
34:41
Speaker 14: I mean, clearly that's not the gender here.
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Speaker 2: But also, Michael, you know, if you're saying, even if
34:48
Speaker 2: they said, which they didn't, you know, we want lots
34:50
Speaker 2: of immigrants from England instead, who's to say what race
34:54
Speaker 2: people from England would be. I mean, you know, I
34:57
Speaker 2: know plenty of people have immigrated here, include in my area,
35:01
Speaker 2: who aren't Anglo Saxon, yet they're thoroughly English. I mean,
35:06
Speaker 2: it's not that it's about values. Taylor said he also
35:09
Speaker 2: wanted Margarets to get protection visas only if they were
35:11
Speaker 2: learning English hereas.
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Speaker 6: English is necessary to live, to work and integrate into
35:17
Speaker 6: Australian society. The Coalition will make learning English an obligation
35:21
Speaker 6: for permanent visa hole is not an option.
35:24
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke attack that, saying millions of
35:27
Speaker 2: Australians will be asking why do the Liberals have a
35:29
Speaker 2: problem with their parents who don't speak great English but
35:32
Speaker 2: are great Australians. Michael, your response, Tony Burke wants to
35:36
Speaker 2: sit on his hands and do nothing.
35:38
Speaker 10: Let me be blunt about this, Andrew.
35:40
Speaker 13: Look, all Australians know that since Bondi, we don't want
35:45
Speaker 13: any more incidents like that where is Lamist or alleged
35:50
Speaker 13: Islamis kill fifteen people in Australian beaches. We've got to
35:56
Speaker 13: do something, Tony and the level of him has to
36:00
Speaker 13: be cut down, and we have to be much more
36:03
Speaker 13: careful about the people that we lead in and yes,
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Speaker 13: judge them by their values, not by their nationalities.
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Speaker 10: As I pointed out to you the problems. You know,
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Speaker 10: you have good people coming.
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Speaker 13: From Syria and Iraq who are from the minorities have
36:17
Speaker 13: been persecuted by these fanatics.
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Speaker 2: But Lewis, what do you think about Tony Burke's parent
36:24
Speaker 2: argument that you don't have to speak great English at
36:27
Speaker 2: all to be a great Australian. I would have thought
36:30
Speaker 2: English showed your commitment to actually becoming part of the
36:34
Speaker 2: community rather than staying apart from it.
36:36
Speaker 14: Absolutely well, the left font like this, but language is
36:39
Speaker 14: an issue. It's a key factor in employment and social
36:42
Speaker 14: cohesion and social integration in a way you want to
36:44
Speaker 14: be part of the community. Like if I would move
36:46
Speaker 14: to France, I would struggle because I'm not a fluent
36:48
Speaker 14: French speaker, but I would have to integrate and learn
36:50
Speaker 14: the language and be part of the community.
36:52
Speaker 1: And I think that's the.
36:53
Speaker 14: Point they're trying to make here. But also for Tony
36:56
Speaker 14: Burke to sort of invoke, you know, people's parents who
36:58
Speaker 14: came in the fifties and sixties from parts of Europe
37:02
Speaker 14: and so forth, suggesting that somehow they're not welcome, it's
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Speaker 14: absolute rubbish.
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Speaker 1: They've built a.
37:06
Speaker 14: Great life here and had families and integrated into the system.
37:11
Speaker 14: So I think what he's trying to what again, what
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Speaker 14: Augus Taylor's trying to say, is that do we lift
37:16
Speaker 14: the bar high for integration? Do we build a system
37:19
Speaker 14: where people can actually assimilate into society a lot easier
37:23
Speaker 14: in Australia And one of those factors is learning English,
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Speaker 14: I would wager I would.
37:29
Speaker 2: Very much hope so One Nation lead to paul In
37:31
Speaker 2: Hans And cried on Radio Today talking about a staffer
37:35
Speaker 2: that she hired after he got out of jail. His
37:38
Speaker 2: named Sean Black and been convicted for raping his now
37:42
Speaker 2: former wife, but had some sacked in this week after
37:45
Speaker 2: the Liberals attacked her for having an ex rapist in
37:48
Speaker 2: her head office.
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Speaker 15: I just discussed me that I didn't think jin would
37:55
Speaker 15: get in the gut of politics of all this. The
37:57
Speaker 15: man's gone. You should have seen the look on his
38:00
Speaker 15: wife's face when I had to say, and I said, no,
38:03
Speaker 15: I'm going to do this myself. And I went around
38:06
Speaker 15: and I faced both of them and the wife. You know,
38:15
Speaker 15: I don't condone this this sort of action, but you've
38:20
Speaker 15: got to understand people need a second chance, and there's
38:23
Speaker 15: still not given it to him, of all people just
38:26
Speaker 15: sent a price.
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Speaker 1: Let it go, Michael.
38:31
Speaker 2: Was Pauline Hanson too forgiving of a man who did
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Speaker 2: go to jail for raping his now ex wife, or
38:38
Speaker 2: with the Liberals too hard on a man that Hanson
38:40
Speaker 2: claims had reformed and deserved another chance.
38:43
Speaker 10: No, she did the right thing.
38:45
Speaker 13: Today, the ruthless left wing Democrats in the in the
38:50
Speaker 13: United States sacked Farting Eric Sorwell from.
38:57
Speaker 10: Candidate for governor of California and.
38:59
Speaker 13: From congrest for similar kinds of allegations, as yet unproved.
39:06
Speaker 13: This man was admittedly a person who had done his time,
39:10
Speaker 13: But Pauline is a more sentimental person. I got to
39:14
Speaker 13: know when we went to Ireland together and the fact
39:17
Speaker 13: that she cried on radio shows that to most people
39:21
Speaker 13: that she's more human. The key question is is this
39:24
Speaker 13: fight between the liberals and one nation going to continue
39:28
Speaker 13: or will they swap preferences with each other.
39:31
Speaker 10: As a small democrat, I wouldn't like to.
39:34
Speaker 13: See a majority of two conservative parties get more than
39:41
Speaker 13: fifty percent and Albow and the socialist left still get
39:46
Speaker 13: re elected.
39:48
Speaker 2: Okay, Louise was handsome too forgiving of this man.
39:53
Speaker 14: Oh, look, I think she was. But I mean, I
39:55
Speaker 14: agree with Michael. It was interesting to see that compassionate
39:58
Speaker 14: side to her because she does such a hard reputation,
40:01
Speaker 14: doesn't she sort of very forceful and you very rarely
40:04
Speaker 14: see any kind of you know, any sort of sympathy
40:08
Speaker 14: or any sort of soft side to her. It's all
40:10
Speaker 14: so clear that there is one there, and it may
40:12
Speaker 14: actually draw more voters to her. But I think she's
40:14
Speaker 14: picked the wrong target here. I mean, how do you
40:16
Speaker 14: defend a rapist, a convicted rapist? In my book, you don't,
40:19
Speaker 14: And it should never have got this far. She shouldn't
40:21
Speaker 14: have hired him in the first place. Okay, second chances,
40:24
Speaker 14: but not when it's someone who's been convicted of such
40:26
Speaker 14: a serious crime and not when so many politicians are
40:30
Speaker 14: really alive to the issues of sexual abuse and sexual
40:34
Speaker 14: crime and family violence and things like that. It just
40:37
Speaker 14: totally sent the wrong message. I think there's better ways
40:40
Speaker 14: for Pauline to show her compassion, and I think she
40:43
Speaker 14: probably regrets it in a way that she it's got
40:45
Speaker 14: to this point because you can't have someone of that
40:48
Speaker 14: with that sort of record operating in the political system
40:52
Speaker 14: when so many people would not want to work with him.
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Speaker 2: Well, there you go, and Michael Danby Lewis Roberts, thank
40:59
Speaker 2: you very much much to you both. After the break,
41:03
Speaker 2: Prince Harry and Mega Markel hit Melbourne on their pay
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Speaker 2: per view fake Royal Tour. Prince Harry Mega Markel the
41:15
Speaker 2: pay per view Royals landed in Australia today in a
41:19
Speaker 2: fake Royal tour that they'll use to make money, a
41:22
Speaker 2: four day tour that they started in Melbourne of the
41:24
Speaker 2: Royal Children's Hospital to cure the sick with their presence
41:28
Speaker 2: and they seem popular enough to be fair. The Duchess
41:32
Speaker 2: of Sussex and visited a women's refuge in Melbourne where
41:35
Speaker 2: she served plates of for tata. Now that's a bit
41:39
Speaker 2: of the tour where they act as if there's still
41:41
Speaker 2: royals on a royal tour. But Prince Harry will later
41:44
Speaker 2: this week you have a keynote speech of the inter
41:47
Speaker 2: Social Safety Summit for people paying between a thousand dollars
41:52
Speaker 2: a ticket up to two and two thousand, four hundred.
41:57
Speaker 2: It's unknown if that includes a little payment for the Prince.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
42:03
Speaker 2: But Michael's appearance on Friday at a girl's weekend wellness
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Speaker 2: retreat at the Intercontinental coog Beach, sure we'll involve an
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Speaker 2: exchange of cash. It's a money maker for her, with
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Speaker 2: a promoter charging guests up to three thousand, two hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars which gets them a group table photograph with markl
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Speaker 2: among other goodies including yoga, sound healing whatever that is
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Speaker 2: and a disco. Joining me from London is Talk TV
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Speaker 2: host Samara Gill. Samara, great to see you again, Harry
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Speaker 2: and Meghan truly in our professional victims who are paid
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Speaker 2: to tell of their woes, paid good money and lecture
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Speaker 2: on mental health. But this fake royal tour is making
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Speaker 2: news in Britain as well. What's the interest there.
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Speaker 16: Look, Andrew, It's not so much interest, it's horror. At
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Speaker 16: seeing the Australian people taken for an absolute ride and
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Speaker 16: the Australian taxpayer my toe note at the behest of
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Speaker 16: Harry and Meghan sort of track for cash tour, that is.
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Speaker 1: What it is.
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Speaker 16: And you know, in the Windsor Legacy, a book by
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Speaker 16: Robert Jobson, who's a Royal commentator, a friend of mine.
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Speaker 16: You know, he wrote on Meghan's last tour, which was
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Speaker 16: a massive success by all means. You know, they announced
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Speaker 16: the birth of Archie, they were very popular. That was
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Speaker 16: sort of seen as the pinnacle of their popularity. Meghan said,
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Speaker 16: and I quote to a staff member, I can't believe
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Speaker 16: I'm not getting.
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Speaker 3: Paid for this.
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Speaker 16: So that just shows the craven way that she thinks
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Speaker 16: about Australia and Australians, as if there's some sort of
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Speaker 16: cash cow that she can drain dry because her other
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Speaker 16: businesses are not doing well. And Harry as well, you
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Speaker 16: know his tour, it's like he's talking about workplace basically,
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Speaker 16: how to feel good in the workplace, which is a
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Speaker 16: bit weird for someone who has a bully as a wife,
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Speaker 16: or someone who's at least allegedly reported to have bullied
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Speaker 16: many staff members. One into therapy, and no wonder that
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Speaker 16: tour also hasn't sold out. I think that's happening in Melbourne.
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Speaker 16: But I think it's just sickening Andrew to see them
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Speaker 16: go to the Royal Children's Hospital and use other people's
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Speaker 16: children to exploit and lift up their own profile when
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Speaker 16: they won't even show us the faces of their own.
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Speaker 16: I'm just not liking the way this tour is going.
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Speaker 1: Just trust me.
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Speaker 2: They go to a Royal Children's hospital and the children,
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Speaker 2: I guess most of them would have to be told
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Speaker 2: who the hell is standing by their bedside making cooing
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Speaker 2: noises at them? I mean, you know, please smile, it's
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Speaker 2: a prince.
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Speaker 1: Harry.
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Speaker 2: Well, Harry at least is going to yeah, exactly right.
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Speaker 2: Harry is at least probably in my view, going to
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Speaker 2: look forward to a break from his legal woes in
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Speaker 2: Britain Samara, whereas being sued for defamation by the very
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Speaker 2: charity he confound, he co founded and was patron of.
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Speaker 1: Now, what's the issue here? What's the beef?
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Speaker 16: You're right, it's even hard to say that sentence about
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Speaker 16: sort of seeing the charade of it all. I mean,
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Speaker 16: the beef is that Sophie Chandrka, who is a really intelligent,
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Speaker 16: very strong, professional black lady who is what you know
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Speaker 16: Harry and Meghan always tried to lift up. It seems that,
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Speaker 16: you know that now Harry is getting a taste of
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Speaker 16: his own medicine and being sued for libel against that
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Speaker 16: charity and for slandering them in some sort of way.
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Speaker 16: So I think it is really really messy what Harry
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Speaker 16: and Meghan are getting themselves into. You know, Nile Gardiner
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Speaker 16: from the Heritage Foundation wrote a really good article in
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Speaker 16: The Telegraph about the fact that this is now rock
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Speaker 16: bottom for them. They are trying to scrimp and save
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Speaker 16: and it's was the Queen's sort of last wish not
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Speaker 16: to see them do this pseudo royal gig economy type
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Speaker 16: of tour where it's one foot in it's one foot out.
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Speaker 16: They're doing four days in a Australia and then they'll
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Speaker 16: go back to their Montcito mansion and try and make money.
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Speaker 16: I think the whole legacy is forever tarnished, and what
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Speaker 16: we can really see is that they are a completely
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Speaker 16: toxic brand and they're leveraging the kindness of Australians for weakness.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be sued for defamation by this charity. This
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Speaker 2: one will come out of his pocket, maybe when he
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Speaker 2: can lease the ford it. Meanwhile, you've got royal biographer
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Speaker 2: Hugo Vickers claiming that the late Queen's actually scared or
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Speaker 2: worried that Harry and Mega Markel, in one of their
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Speaker 2: other grifts, was secretly recording her. They were secretly recording
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Speaker 2: her for their Netflix documentary. There's no proof of this,
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Speaker 2: of course, but or I don't know, could it actually
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Speaker 2: be true that they would stoop to that sort of thing.
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Speaker 16: Well, I don't know, Andrew. It's almost as if there
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Speaker 16: was a book that was written and circulated by Harry
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Speaker 16: that basically aired the entire history of the royal family's
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Speaker 16: dirty laundry out to the public. You know, that is
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Speaker 16: something Harry did do, and I think after that he
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Speaker 16: could never be trusted. And the Queen knew her staff,
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Speaker 16: she knew that after Meghan entered the picture, there was
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Speaker 16: no trusting what Harry and Meghan would take, what they
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Speaker 16: would give to the media, and what they would then spin.
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Speaker 16: And you can even see that from the recent trip
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Speaker 16: that Harry took where he met his father for forty
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Speaker 16: five minutes and he actually was requested to go through
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Speaker 16: the visitor entrance at Clarence House where you have to
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Speaker 16: be security checked for, for example, listening devices, so that
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Speaker 16: relationship will never be the same again after Spare and
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Speaker 16: the Oprah interview. And I think Hugo Vickers is onto something.
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Speaker 2: And of course I believe that the reports of the
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Speaker 2: King wouldn't see Harry without a witness prison for fear
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Speaker 2: of what might be reported Beck or claimed in reports.
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Speaker 16: Beck absolutely, and I think it's a really dire situation.
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Speaker 16: You know, he does lean on Camilla for counsel in
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Speaker 16: this sort of way when it comes to Harry, because
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Speaker 16: you can see that they have absolutely nothing left to
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Speaker 16: share with the public about how hard done by they've
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Speaker 16: been by the Royal family, and they need more content
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Speaker 16: they have run out of it. And I think that's
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Speaker 16: a really dangerous position for the Royal family to then
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Speaker 16: be in if they were to extend that olive branch
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Speaker 16: to them. And I think they know that they're smarter
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Speaker 16: than to fall for the tricks of Harry and Meghan.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the boot might be on the other foot.
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Speaker 2: I think some of the women lashing out three thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars to sit with Mega Marca at a table at
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Speaker 2: this Worldess retreat and dish the dirt with the girls.
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Speaker 2: Probably can earn that back by giving interviews afterwards of
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Speaker 2: what was really said. I suspect that maybe on the
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Speaker 2: card Samara Gil always great to talk to you. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for your time. See you next week.
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