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Bonus: Athletics LLC S3 E33 'Quantum Leaps' November 25, 2022 · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  And we're back. It's like we never left buttocks
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  LCD back on the, on the titles doing their thing right before
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  we get all stuffed with good awesome.
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  I, you know, I say jerky and Outing like turkey or week, it's
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  stuffed with all the the food that we work to eat all year
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  round. So, welcome, welcome.
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  Welcome mr. Lucius, how are you tonight?
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  I'm wonderful. Xavier.
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  Well, good to hear Clyde in yourself.
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  I made it through traffic. I ate some tacos.
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  I'm waiting on my pumpkin pie. I'm good.
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  If that doesn't sound very, I don't know.
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  What does legitimately. Well, you could have been eating
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  it while you're in traffic. Still driving home to say
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  Governor. How are you today, sir?
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  I'm okay. I'm okay.
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  I'm, you know, I have to do a little bit of this to make sure
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  everything is still moving. I've been I've been working
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  really hard. Let's put it that way.
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  And you know, this is, this is a that time of year and it feels,
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  it feels good to be back with the living in order in terms of,
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  you know, recruiting and and all of that.
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  So yeah, I'm very happy tired. But happy, love it, Lamar. 007
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  coffins. I don't know.
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  We want to know that. How are you today, sir?
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  Good? I am.
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  I've been on my agent grind, hence, the 007.
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  But I don't think anybody in America that watches this show
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  is surprised that Chuck is Waiting for his pumpkin pie.
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  Nice going to be a good show. I'm looking forward.
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  So, big Lee, how are you doing? Looking forward to it.
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  All I will similar to the governor.
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  Finally, getting my head above, the water and breathe, a little
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  bit. And, you know, getting out from
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  under the whole recruiting the big big, big big, not that we're
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  not recording anymore, but like the onslaught of recruiting Yes.
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  So now it's getting a phase and analyze inside and back returned
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  signed again and in fact return and then processed.
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  So it's good times good times. So learn that I'm the only dummy
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  on the child's that actually I can't say that out loud.
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  Never mind beyond the time, most moving on, not because but a
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  legislation within the transfer portal in the NCAA restriction
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  Center. Put on it because now they've
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  learned. They got it.
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  Narrow the scope of what we call the portal because it's
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  literally become a portal, a moving entity for athletes to.
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  So, with that being said, we have our research person, the
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  governor we asked him to go a little Carmen Sandiego on it,
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  and he just some research about the portal and he's going to
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  give us some some intricacies deep.
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  Then The Superficial layer, if you would, if you're watching
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  this show, go pop popcorn, come back then.
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  Push play can a pen, a pen real quick.
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  So yeah, right now sir. Well, it's interesting.
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  You know, we all had a feeling that this was coming.
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  We all had a sense that there were changes coming.
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  And, you know, we've all those of us that are still in it.
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  We've all had those meetings with our compliance departments
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  and and they've, they've tried their best to explain how the
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  new rules work. And so, I've dug a little bit
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  deeper, I've gone ahead and, you know, started doing some
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  homework on, you know, some of the ins and outs of the port.
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  Ali. And so let's just start with the
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  dates and you know for instance let's just start with
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  cross-country. So cross country has a period
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  between November 13th and December 27th where they can
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  enter the portal spring Sports have December 1st to December
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  15th. To get into the portal and
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  that's if someone wants to go to transfer for January, and there
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  are two other opportunities after the NCAA indoor
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  championships. And then after the outdoor NCAA
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  championships, I believe it's, is it 45 or 60 days?
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  45 45 6 60s. Or the cross window we were
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  okay. Okay so The student athlete
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  still has to notify compliance in writing email and basically
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  they have to initiate the process.
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  And then the compliance department has 24 48 hours to
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  basically put that student athlete in the portal. and, No,
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  once that happens, you are now open to be recruited.
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  And there are you have a choice inside of that?
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  And it's always, you know, you always kind of makes you
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  chuckle, you know, when we coaches, go on the portal and we
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  see athlete ex who has that that little triangle by their name.
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  And it's almost like they almost know where they're going.
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  The Big Choice. You mean go to Gainesville or
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  not the choice. They've got their eyes on.
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  Let's just call it that all triangles Point towards
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  Gainesville, you trying to say, you know?
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  So anyway this is meant to be an informative conversation.
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  The class clown, I understand my bad.
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  So anyone that has not gotten into Portal before August 30th
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  Is Now subject to these rules. So, we now have these periods so
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  you cannot enter the portal prior to your respective window.
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  Okay, so let's just start there, gonna get mad my apology for one
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  second. I say none of this starts until
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  till June of this year. Yes, yes, yes.
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  So right now right now, you know whatever you want.
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  Yes, yeah. That right.
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  Yeah. And correct me if I have it
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  wrong it's not that you can't you can you will just suffer
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  punishments if you go in outside of your windows.
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  Yeah not sure. But I've never heard about
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  regulations, I'm sorry not punishments regulations will
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  see. The thing is he I don't think
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  see You can't suffer regulations because you can't put yourself
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  in report, right? That's that's so your to your
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  compliance officer to put you in the portal.
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  So if you try to get the portable for the window, they
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  simply tell you, you can't go ends.
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  Yeah, okay. Yeah, there's there's no,
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  there's no punishment there. Yeah.
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  Now I find it interesting. Please continue.
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  Yeah, that's why I said, yes, now here's something I didn't
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  know. A student-athlete can enter the
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  transfer portal after the window.
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  And you know, if you did not initiate notification to
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  transfer during the application applicable window, you can
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  request to enter transfer portal after the windows closed and up
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  until August, first of the next academic year. okay, so again,
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  I'm digging and it's It's pretty interesting.
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  So let's see, the think the thing is, when you talk about
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  the windows go there, like that, that's one explanation.
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  I'm okay. So you got the false for which
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  is cross-country. You got me a winter sport, which
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  is endure your, and you got the spring tour, which is cross,
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  which is track and field. So, if you feel in, we are, we
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  are encompassed by all three Windows.
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  Absolutely. So, there's the athlete that
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  things if I'm running from a cross country, Runner, if I
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  don't get into in the cross-country window, And I
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  can't get in. Right.
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  So but exactly so what's the truth that matter?
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  Well, the truth is cross has more leeway by, you know, I'd
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  saved by Seventeen eighteen days, was more than that?
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  Because here's the, here's the deal.
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  If you, when you dive into a deeper, see a few across country
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  athlete that has indoor and outdoor eligibility that you
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  don't have to know whatever you want, you can get in, you don't
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  have to I have to get in there until until the outdoor track
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  went down. Something up there, track and
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  now, but if you only, you only have cross-country, then you
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  have to get in the cross country, whether right?
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  Yeah, absolutely. Yes.
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  So, let's see what else I found. So let's just say you withdraw.
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  From your team. Okay.
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  You you walk into coach's office and say hey coach.
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  I'm I quit Okay and whatever ramifications that come with
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  that I'm willing to deal with that.
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  Can you go into the transfer portal at any time?
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  Once you've quit And the answer is no, you still have to wait
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  for the applicable transfer window to to to move on to
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  wherever it is that you want to go.
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  So, withdrawn student-athlete is no longer subject to the
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  notification of transfer process.
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  After one academic year has elapsed.
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  So if it's if it's a bit in a year after they've withdrawn
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  They're they're free, they can do whatever they want.
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  They probably should try to get into Portal at that dog.
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  Yeah, yeah. There's also a student who is
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  enrolled at a university, but has never met the definition of
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  an enrolled student athlete. Do they have to enter the
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  portal? Can they enter outside of the
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  applicable transfer windows? And the answer is yes.
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  So while an individual has never met the enrolled student athlete
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  definition, those who request to be entered may do so.
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  Outside of the applicable transfer window.
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  So, Now, post grads are post grads limited by the same
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  transfer window. Scenario write me a student
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  athlete who's planning to use the remaining Athletics
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  eligibility, as a postgraduate student as an institution other
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  than their current school? Can they initiate the
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  notification of transfer process at any time?
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  The answer is, yes. And that that falls in line with
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  the fact that once you are done with, with your degree, once you
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  have graduated your head coach, no longer has a responsibility
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  to keep you there. If you have a remaining
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  eligibility that head coach can choose to continue to, to You to
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  give you a scholarship or they can say no, we're we're done
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  here. Okay, so that's something that I
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  think quite a few post grads or future post grads need to
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  understand it is not, you know, it's amicable only in the sense
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  that the coach decides to keep you, right?
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  Let's see if I'm missing anything.
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  I will say really quick on the on the post grads.
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  It is also. That's one of those things they
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  like if you're in that scenario, you need to know all the rules
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  because yes it's very true that that the coach no longer has.
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  The. Defined mandate to continue to
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  keep you on scholarship and in school and yada yada.
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  But conversely, the coach also really and truly has zero
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  jurisdiction over you any longer, right?
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  Right. So if you're someplace, you
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  don't want to be and you want to be someplace else within the
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  conference, it used to be the, this one hits home for me
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  because I had to deal with this one in the offices.
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  Now bigley, get your boy is going to try
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  something else, and you decide that you want.
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  Go to another school to do your post-grad.
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  Do you have to use the one-time transfer?
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  And the answer is yes. You will, you will wherever it
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  is. That you go You know now the the
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  factors that kind of eliminate this one-time transfer exception
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  and now that I'm saying this, I'm not understanding why there
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  are athletes that have gone to three and four different
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  institutions. I'm starting to understand the
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  Nuance of Olives, Okay? So The, the factors that
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  eliminate the use of the one-time transfer is, if your
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  head coach departs, Athletics Aid, cancellation reduction, or
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  non-renewal, that that occurs outside of an applicable
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  applicable window for their sport.
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  So you, I mean, at that point, you're free to go and and not,
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  you still have that one-time transfer Extension fact, yes.
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  So that's something that, you know, I mean, that applies to a
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  few individuals, but I think we can probably point to a couple
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  of that we all know that have made.
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  I mean they're true journeyman in the NCAA made the rounds,
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  made the rounds made the rounds. Is an undergrad four-year
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  student athlete required. To enter the NCAA portal during
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  an applicable window for their sport.
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  If they plan to use a four-year transfer exception other than
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  the one-time transfer. Yes you you must comply with the
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  applicable transfer window, you know so that's that's you know,
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  do mid-air transfer provisions. Continue to apply yes, while the
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  meteor transfer may qualify for the one-time transfer.
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  Exception meteor transfer, Provisions will continue to
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  apply a May prohibit certain meteor transfers.
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  And the biggest example is Lamar Baseball baseball.
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  Can we please not go down the baseball Road?
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  Okay, there's no no, listen long time ago and dealing with
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  legislation. I think the one thing that the
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  baseball coaches through in their very much to their favor,
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  the track coaches, never threw in there, it is.
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  You have to be eligible for an entire season.
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  Yes. Right.
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  So like what I'm saying is if you're going to try it you
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  cannot mid-year transfer and All yeah.
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  Under any circumstances. Yep, grad transfer, none of
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  that. Like if you're not on campus
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  like by day, three or whatever, whatever the rule is, if you're
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  not on campus and fully enrolled at the beginning of the school
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  year, you cannot play for that school that year.
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  Yeah. Very nerdy thing for you.
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  But listen, there's a whole bunch of new rules and people
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  are trying to sift their way through them.
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  And I mean you guys are free to Rip me to shreds on this.
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  I don't really think the windows are a big deal.
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  I really don't even think they're all that complicated.
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  I don't think the windows are going to change much of
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  anything. The biggest change moving
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  forward. Is this one a 44?
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  I leave school X and I go to new school.
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  Be all right, a 44 transfer is offered and accepts athletic aid
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  from the new institution. The institution is hired to
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  provide the aid to the transfer until they have either graduated
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  or their athletic eligibility. Clock has expired, whichever
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  occurs first regardless, if they're remaining student
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  athlete, or not. Yes, so cream.
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  Street Thompson doesn't like his situation out at in Texas.
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  He goes up the block and goes to TCU and decides.
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  Once he gets there that my, that Marissa choose an ass.
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  And he don't want to run, no more guess what?
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  That right there. Yep.
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  Is something created for other sports football because it
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  doesn't matter because it's all the same money.
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  Yeah. But trickles down to us.
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  Hitting the non head counts. And that is a serious serious.
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  Serious thing. Absolutely to that the athletes,
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  better start to understand on the flip side of this because
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  the risk that used to make a no-brainer sense.
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  Yeah. Bring them in whatever.
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  We'll see is now, like, do we really want to do this?
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  Because if it doesn't work, if you are freshmen, And you
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  transfer in as a sophomore and it don't work.
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  I gotta eat your scholarship for three to four years.
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  Yeah, guaranteed. Oh no.
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  That's a that's a hell of a risk.
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  Yeah. And so that to me is the biggest
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  baddest, most interesting change and that is the thing that the
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  NCAA has put in place to try to slow this thing down because
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  let's not get it twisted. The the Transfer portal.
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  Genies never going back in the box, that's here to stay.
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  So now, it's how can we mitigate it?
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  How can we slow it down? How can we make people think
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  twice? That's the one.
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  That's the only one. Yeah, so, they're their various
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  schools of thought, you know. And I think that, you know, I
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  mean, we touched on this, if athlete X, is that good, you're
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  going to recruit athlete X period. um and the, you know,
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  the things that we the intangibles, the things that
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  we've got to kind of read between the lines and you know
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  when we have when we sit down and break bread with these
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  athletes and go through that process you know and how many
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  times and I've how many how many of these coaches that are
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  watching this athlete leave are actually going Oof.
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  All right, glad that's off my plate you know, but at the same
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  time they're saying yeah athlete X is absolutely the best, you
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  know, shows up every day never late great work ethic that's
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  those are things that you know those are the nuances that you
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  kind of have to work through and you kind of have to read between
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  the lines. Now there is there are two
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  aspects where Are the aid can be reduced or canceled and that's
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  if the athlete decides to transfer again.
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  And then the other one is, if they lose, amateur status.
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  Sure. Right.
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  Which normal stuff normally stuff.
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  Now can you cancel the aid of an undergrad?
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  Serious misconduct? Yes it's all normal.
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  Yeah yes you know so those those are you know those are we
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  talking about far out things that Would that would mitigate,
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  you know, having to be on the hook for, for the scholarship.
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  So if here's another one, if the athlete is rendered
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  academically, ineligible Can you cancel has eight?
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  No. No.
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  You know about that problem? That's your problem.
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  You cannot and that was a very interesting one, right?
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  Yeah, it is. That one's a very interesting
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  one because it used to be that that was you got out of it.
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  That's how you got out of it so you got out of it.
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  Yes. Yeah that's what I'm saying.
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  Like you going to eat these mistakes.
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  Yep. Yep.
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  Yep. Yep.
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  So I mean yes. I mean when you've got 85 Chips.
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  I mean you you can afford to miss on one or two or ten, I
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  mean, as it is on every roster. If you, if you were to see pu P
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  list from the average football team, I mean, I remember seeing
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  one at Alabama and it blew I think it was at 25.
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  There were 25 kids down. That physically were unable to
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  play. And it's just, we just keep
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  going like, look scholarships and their travel limitations, or
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  like 50-something, yeah, right? You already know.
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  There's 30 people stay at home. Every time they travel yet are
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  all full scholarships now, like, like, let's not like be at any
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  of this nonsense, because the truth of the matter, whether
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  you're hurt, you can't go, you're not ready.
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  Whatever it is. They like, I'm not trying to be
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  funny if You're not in the first 53 or 56 or whatever.
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  The number is, The Travelers like football coach doesn't
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  care. Yes, but not in a bad way of
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  just saying like You don't affect the bottom line, one
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  more, the other whatever reason that that is is not relevant to
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  them. Now, here's here's another one
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  main institution, cancel atletic say, diff an undergrad for your
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  transfer fails to n Roll. Think about that Bales to enroll
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  for a regular academic term. You cannot, no no, you cannot
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  It's so if you're not processing that because first time you hear
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  it, it's weird. It's weird because I recruit
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  athlete ex to come to my school January.
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  Yes, for whatever reason they decide they don't are not
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  getting rolled in January, or they forgot or they miss the
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  deadline. Whatever, I still gotta eat the
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  money until they show up next fall.
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  Exactly. It's correct.
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  It's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy.
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  So I mean, I I'm going to stop there, you know, because I feel
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  like that that aspect of the transfer portal is, you know, I
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  think if you look at it, it's literally going to appeal to
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  that kid, right to that kid. That's thinking, you know what,
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  I don't know how much I want to. Continue doing this anyway, but
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  I need to, I need to play the game until, you know, I decided
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  I just want to go to class and not have to deal with six am
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  practice and all of that. So, did you guys have any other
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  questions, anything that I didn't touch on or anything
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  that? You know that you want to know?
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  No no no I think there's some lingering questions.
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  Yeah. Oh well the the other one that's
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  that I think is pertinent is the idea of giving a multi-year
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  contract here. You're saying okay we're going
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  to start you here and then year to will start here Can't do
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  that. You can you cannot do that.
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  Nope. You know, so there is no trial
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  period that you could do with a regular regular undergrad kid.
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  That's there for the first time. You can't play that game and
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  say, yeah, well, we'll try, we'll give you a shot this time.
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  And then, if it works out, then year to, which I found to be an
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  interesting distinction, because, of course, I can just
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  sign cream for ten percent up front.
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  Yes. Willing to come.
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  You know, Got that, that juice that somehow.
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  Now I can, he won't come to come through this 10%.
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  And then, you know, the next year, I could decide to give it
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  more if ever, but I just can't say it in advance.
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  You can't say it in advance. No, that's what I thought you
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  could. You can advance a it increases.
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  You just can't in advance it decreases.
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  Yes. Right.
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  You can't set it up in the - if you are, right?
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  You can set it up in the positive, you can say that.
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  It's going to be don't pay up front and take it away.
• 29:09
  Any percent this year at 85 and make sure, but you can't say
• 29:12
  it's 80 and then like some schools are doing 80 and then 0.
• 29:16
  Yes. Yeah.
• 29:18
  And for the record, we are not one of those schools as well as
• 29:26
  schools are getting around that. That have an IL abilities is
• 29:31
  your first year, they sign UT the nothing, and all ni l or,
• 29:34
  you know, 10 percent or whatever it is and the rest.
• 29:37
  Jun-il. And the thought process is as
• 29:43
  the following year when money freeze up, we're going to move
• 29:47
  you to this and blah blah blah but they're not culpable Today,
• 29:52
  l piece, right? So when you're not good that
• 29:54
  first year and you show up thinking you're going to be on
• 29:59
  you know, 40/60 split now. No.
• 30:06
  The the point of all of this to me is really quite simple, new
• 30:11
  games, beget new games. And that's all this ultimately
• 30:15
  is. It's a new game transfer portal
• 30:19
  was game one. Then everybody started whining
• 30:22
  on the administrative, and coaching side.
• 30:24
  So they came up with new game two, again, it's not going away.
• 30:29
  So the smart people will figure out how to play the game to
• 30:32
  their advantage and the smart kids.
• 30:35
  I will do the same and they're going to be a lot of upset
• 30:39
  people in the middle because, you know, desperation creates
• 30:44
  bad decisions. Yeah.
• 30:45
  On all sides athlete and Coach. So I find most interesting about
• 30:51
  the landscape that we're in now, right?
• 30:53
  Is that each sport manipulates the manipulates uses the rules
• 31:01
  to their advantage in a different way, right?
• 31:04
  All of this group Rules affects football, basketball, baseball
• 31:08
  and track differently. And you see different things
• 31:12
  right in baseball. The grad transfer piece is the
• 31:15
  big deal, right? Because now you have an
• 31:18
  opportunity to have a really old team, right?
• 31:21
  And so, you know how it affects then the youngsters that you
• 31:24
  recruited when they were 15 and you got them committed to come
• 31:27
  to your school and now they show up as freshmen.
• 31:29
  Oh, you forgot the existed because you got a 22 and a 23
• 31:32
  year old kid play in the front of them.
• 31:34
  Like that's how I it plays out so much like in baseball and
• 31:39
  basketball, both the transfer portal and the grad tree and the
• 31:43
  grad transfers are kind of used Differently depending on where
• 31:50
  you're at scope some schools, who have usually have three and
• 31:53
  four-year-old teams. Right there using the grad
• 31:57
  transfers because they could come in and they play well with
• 32:00
  the older team, right? The, the teams that usually turn
• 32:04
  over every two years because they got, they got one and dones
• 32:08
  there in the transfer portal. That guy that was supposed to be
• 32:11
  a one and done at a school and it wasn't nice.
• 32:14
  Going to come to my school, that produces one and dones.
• 32:16
  And you're going to be a to So it's very interesting.
• 32:21
  It's interesting. Like the landscape is a I'll say
• 32:23
  this is definitely more interesting.
• 32:24
  Now as a as an outsider it is more interesting to see.
• 32:28
  Now here's one, I mean this is this is like and and now I'll I
• 32:34
  don't know if you guys have seen this because I'm there's a
• 32:37
  document that literally has. I mean a multitude of Q eggs,
• 32:43
  right? And it's like they sat there.
• 32:48
  R and literally went through every possible scenario.
• 32:52
  They did. Miranda dance for instance, May
• 32:56
  and undergraduate. Four-year transfer students of
• 33:00
  athlete absolve. The institution of the
• 33:03
  obligation to provide Athletics, aged, listen to that question.
• 33:09
  Right. You student-athlete go.
• 33:11
  Hey you know what? It's okay.
• 33:13
  I don't I don't need it. The answer is no, the answer is
• 33:17
  no. Trip to a lot of these rules are
• 33:35
  to protect the student athlete. Absolutely.
• 33:38
  They are, you know, if we're going to be honest, right?
• 33:42
  They are all theoretically to protect the student athlete
• 33:48
  true, right? Just unfortunately.
• 33:52
  And this is kind of part of the issue, right?
• 33:53
  Like A great number of student athletes.
• 33:56
  Don't know this game, right? So they're plant.
• 34:00
  They like, they think they're playing, you know, Checkers and
• 34:03
  they're getting, they get beaten games of Parcheesi and chest and
• 34:07
  everything else because there's a lot of stuff going on that
• 34:09
  they don't really realize is going on.
• 34:11
  Yeah. Right?
• 34:14
  Well, because they don't think of worst-case scenarios.
• 34:19
  So then, let's get there, let's let's change the lane smidgen.
• 34:25
  What are two things that student athletes, who are considering
• 34:30
  Oh, what are two things student athletes should consider?
• 34:34
  When thinking about getting in the Border or when they've
• 34:36
  already gotten in the world? We, well, they shouldn't that
• 34:41
  once they got into portray can't think anymore, right?
• 34:43
  Think is done? Yeah, so I mean for me I think
• 34:54
  that I think at some point in time you would think that it's
• 34:59
  going to slow down a little bit. I don't think that it's ever
• 35:01
  going away, but I think that if I'm giving somebody advice for
• 35:06
  this my child I'm going to have them, explore the academic side
• 35:11
  of it and what what credits are going to transfer and there's
• 35:17
  going to be required, more work to the institution.
• 35:19
  You're going to, does the institution have the same
• 35:22
  academic structure and support that your current institution
• 35:26
  has and although whatever school you're thinking, you might want
• 35:32
  to go to might be better for you.
• 35:38
  What's the climate was? What's the atmosphere?
• 35:41
  So to speak there? And will you really be
• 35:43
  successful there? I think that a lot of people
• 35:47
  jump into the transfer portal and they get theirs, like, man,
• 35:49
  it went so bad, where I was. Yeah, this isn't always greener.
• 35:55
  Brown is it is over here? Are we okay?
• 35:59
  We're doing 22 points. Are we going?
• 36:01
  He's gay. Are we going around the circle?
• 36:06
  Yes. Go ahead.
• 36:07
  Glad I mean, first of all, lucious's academic point is
• 36:15
  extremely underrated. Yeah.
• 36:17
  Okay. So y'all might want to really
• 36:21
  Really, really look into that because you're not wild to
• 36:24
  y'all, the number of kids that could jump in the port, or
• 36:27
  consider, go on the portal and literally never consider the
• 36:30
  academic piece. It's not wild to me at all
• 36:33
  because because it's wild that it, that no one considers it.
• 36:39
  But it's not wild to me. That that's the reality.
• 36:41
  Because the truth of the matter is, these people are making
• 36:44
  usually emotional decisions, emotional decision, and they're
• 36:48
  all centered around the sport. Yes.
• 36:51
  Yes. So to them, school is school is
• 36:53
  school. I'm gonna get my degree wherever
• 36:55
  I'm going to get it. Yeah, but there's like addition
• 36:58
  and subtraction and timelines. Right?
• 37:01
  So very underrated point there and I hope people hold on to
• 37:05
  that one but I guess my two would be, my first one would be
• 37:11
  Know your value, because 90% of the people in the portal are not
• 37:16
  nearly as valuable as they think they are when they go in.
• 37:20
  And that reality smacks them in the face all the time.
• 37:25
  Hmm. Like what do you mean?
• 37:27
  I was on full scholarship. At my old school, I was on 85%
• 37:32
  at my old school. You mean you're only going to
• 37:34
  offer me 20? Well yeah, there's there's
• 37:39
  numbers here. There's performances here.
• 37:41
  There's did you show up in the big races here?
• 37:44
  There's you didn't score any points in that conference and
• 37:47
  our conference is better. There is like You have to
• 37:51
  actually understand your value in the same exact way, though,
• 37:55
  with way different Stakes that a free agent in a prospective Pro
• 38:00
  Sport does MHM. I mean, Dennis Schroder was
• 38:04
  offered 80-something million dollars by the Los Angeles
• 38:08
  Lakers. He said, no because he thought
• 38:11
  he was more valuable. And then a year later, he's back
• 38:14
  on the team. For three million, three
• 38:16
  million. Like come on, man.
• 38:19
  Like you have To know your actual value in what you're
• 38:22
  doing and most of these people don't.
• 38:25
  So I would seriously research your value and our sport is so
• 38:32
  wide open and transparent on the numbers that it really shouldn't
• 38:36
  be that hard to figure it out. But What's funny is it?
• 38:41
  Most cases, they don't do that on the front side either you
• 38:43
  have coming out of high school Bastian question.
• 38:47
  Like what do you guys mean? I do maybe I'm suggesting say
• 38:49
  you guys were what do you mean by our sport is so wide open and
• 38:53
  transparent that people should know that their values.
• 38:59
  Okay, so numbers are numbers. Like it's it is enough now that
• 39:07
  you guys have put out your various points.
• 39:12
  Excellent, excellent points. What what stuck out to me is.
• 39:20
  So let's, let's, let's touch on the know your value, right?
• 39:26
  What is what is important to you?
• 39:31
  Okay. So is winning a Conference USA
• 39:35
  title and helping a team when a Conference USA title.
• 39:42
  Okay and walking out of your Athletics career with title
• 39:49
  winner by your name, is that as valuable to you as it would be
• 39:58
  to go to an SEC school, right? Or a big 12 school, or a Pac-12
• 40:03
  school, and be a relay runner for the rest of your life, for
• 40:08
  the rest of your career. Is it is it enough to say that?
• 40:14
  Hey, I made it to the big leagues.
• 40:17
  I'm on the squad. I am doing this as opposed to, I
• 40:22
  have Hardware, right? And and I'm not the, I think
• 40:28
  we've now entered a world now where we are past the point of
• 40:35
  or of downplaying, the everybody gets a trophy, all of that,
• 40:39
  okay? Okay, we are in that generation.
• 40:42
  We are in that world, right? And it's interesting to me to
• 40:49
  see the subsection of athletes that see value in walking out of
• 40:55
  there are legal going through their career and finishing their
• 40:58
  career with multiple titles, multiple rings and wherever that
• 41:04
  happens. Okay, they decide to go into the
• 41:08
  workplace, they decide to whatever and that's on their
• 41:11
  resume. That is a big deal.
• 41:15
  Right. They're not going to care where
• 41:17
  you did this right now. There's also, there's also the
• 41:23
  mindset that I need bigger and better and Greener, right?
• 41:28
  And, and, you know, I'm coming from a non power 5 and their
• 41:33
  small fries to me, right? So I need to go, I need to go to
• 41:38
  the big time, right? And I'm only speaking from the
• 41:43
  standpoint of Of what, you know what I'm experiencing on this
• 41:47
  end and it's just shocking because, you know, the the
• 41:54
  athletes that I'm talking about are willing to take very little
• 41:58
  money just to say there on that roster.
• 42:04
  And they're feeling like that is actually going to add to their
• 42:08
  value. now, whether they actually contribute You kind of
• 42:16
  have to wonder, like, do you see what these numbers are?
• 42:21
  Do you see what the standard is, right?
• 42:25
  And do you does that, is it in your head?
• 42:28
  To think? Okay, I'm going to improve by
• 42:32
  two feet and in the triple I'm going to improve by, you know,
• 42:36
  half a second and 100, right? Those are things that, you know.
• 42:41
  I really, you know, if I'm talking Talking to someone and
• 42:45
  I'm saying okay you need to think about when it's all said
• 42:51
  and done. Okay.
• 42:54
  What is it that you want out of this experience?
• 42:58
  What is it that you want to have?
• 43:00
  You know, you to be represented by And that's, that's something
• 43:05
  that it's not an easy conversation.
• 43:08
  Because for some, some might take that assaying.
• 43:11
  Well, man, like you just tell him to take the easy route And
• 43:15
  I'm like, no because you still have to compete against the same
• 43:19
  people at first round, you still have to line up and if you do
• 43:24
  make it to Nationals, you still have to line up against the same
• 43:26
  people. The question is, how do you want
• 43:30
  to get there? Right.
• 43:32
  And that's the part that, you know, I, you know, I would
• 43:36
  really challenge someone to think long and hard about I
• 43:42
  think people i-i'm sorry I will be remiss and very I don't know,
• 43:50
  almost disrespectful. If I did not tell him that the
• 43:53
  governor you just went around the block like three times and I
• 43:58
  missed all of it. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 44:36
  The intrinsic value of winning. It is intrinsically, and
• 44:44
  outwardly better to win handle at a level that it is to
• 44:50
  participate at a higher level. It just is.
• 44:54
  Yeah. That doesn't, that doesn't mean
• 44:56
  that you look. There are people who should
• 44:59
  change levels. There are people, who should
• 45:01
  they ended up? They were at amid nature, and no
• 45:04
  longer are being challenged to mid-major, right?
• 45:06
  I need to be at the power five hundred percent.
• 45:09
  Yes, that's just wasting their know.
• 45:11
  Members say it's their numbers and their performances against
• 45:15
  the power 5 saying, yes, right? Right, there's just far fewer
• 45:19
  people than there are in that are in the portal that think
• 45:23
  that. And so, we're talking about the
• 45:25
  Forty to fifty percent that are still in the portal facts and
• 45:29
  their one. Why?
• 45:31
  Yeah. So I'm in a unique position,
• 45:35
  right? Having having been, one of you
• 45:38
  wonderful people, and now being something Is allowed in the
• 45:41
  sport of baseball that isn't allowed necessarily in the sport
• 45:44
  of track is being an advisor. So the conversation that we wish
• 45:49
  we could have a track athletes. I actually have the baseball
• 45:52
  players, like I said to one of my pictures, if you go to this
• 45:56
  school, you have a chance to pitch on the weekend which is
• 45:59
  when everybody comes to scout. If you go to that school, you're
• 46:02
  going to pitch on Wednesday. Yep.
• 46:05
  Does it mean you can't get drafted for being a Wednesday
• 46:07
  guy? It's just way harder.
• 46:09
  Yeah. I mean, like wait.
• 46:11
  Harder. Because you're always going to
• 46:12
  have to answer the question. What if you're that good while
• 46:14
  you catch my one second, right? Right.
• 46:16
  And so, like that's a real conversation that that you can
• 46:20
  have at, that's a real conversation, you can have.
• 46:24
  And that's what that you, you could have somebody at wrap up
• 46:27
  because the job doesn't exist. Nobody really trust that
• 46:32
  information, but I could give the same amount information to
• 46:34
  track people like, listen, I'm not saying that you don't belong
• 46:37
  in the SEC. What you belong to the job, you
• 46:39
  belong. At, in the SEC is different than
• 46:44
  the job that you currently have in the meac.
• 46:47
  Hmm, right. It doesn't mean that, you know,
• 46:49
  you gotta you got a job at both places one place, you're on the
• 46:53
  CEO track the other place your hourly worker.
• 46:56
  Yeah, just punching the clock. So so for me, the two things
• 47:00
  that I would, I would suggest and I would I would almost
• 47:03
  demand student athletes. Take the time to do before they
• 47:07
  get in the portal was one. Take time to make an unemotional
• 47:15
  decision. Yeah.
• 47:18
  Like literally take all of the emotion out of decision and make
• 47:22
  it a transactional. Black-and-white fact found
• 47:26
  decision, right? Because I think if that
• 47:30
  happened, fifty percent of people, the portal wouldn't be
• 47:32
  in the portal. That's first two and I think
• 47:35
  this one is equally as important.
• 47:37
  Do your Homework, do not get recruited again, right?
• 47:46
  Because in most cases, like, the whole reason you're leaving, is
• 47:48
  because the recruiting pitch, didn't turn out.
• 47:51
  Yeah, either on your side or theirs.
• 47:54
  Yes. Right.
• 47:55
  So don't don't be stupid and get recruited again, right?
• 47:59
  Like it speaks to clients whole like know your value.
• 48:03
  Well, you don't, you need to know your value and your place
• 48:06
  in the whole Pantheon of this sport, right?
• 48:09
  So don't get Sorry recruited. Look at why a school is
• 48:12
  recruiting you other recruiting you so you don't go someplace
• 48:15
  that you could be more successful.
• 48:17
  Like is this defense? Well Lamar like let's let's add
• 48:22
  to that. The majority of these kids that
• 48:24
  are getting in a portal, most likely signed blindly Due to
• 48:30
  covid. And that that part of it's fair
• 48:34
  that part of his fair. But there's a lot of there's a
• 48:36
  whole lot of sing don't know for sure.
• 48:39
  Then again and I will also say this for our so there's Juniors
• 48:43
  right? The ones that were high school
• 48:45
  seniors that yes covid. You they are now Juniors and I
• 48:48
  got I have two or three of those guys that, you know, I've been
• 48:51
  asked a bunch of people like, you know, they're being scouted
• 48:55
  at this point in time with, why were they at this school of why
• 48:58
  they go this route? I was like, because their senior
• 49:00
  year didn't exist. Yeah.
• 49:01
  Yeah, I mean I'm I'll say this. I've actually had conversations
• 49:06
  with kids at told me that they're literally living her
• 49:11
  second childhood during this process literally enjoying being
• 49:17
  courted because they never were you know, and yeah and that's
• 49:22
  but that's not a reason no. But but that is a very specific,
• 49:27
  yes. Who that particular group of
• 49:30
  people because of that time. Mine and acts like, oh, great.
• 49:33
  So I totally understand that. I am sure that my internet
• 49:38
  knocked out in the middle of my second point, but it's funny
• 49:42
  that Lamar just said what he said because it wasn't that.
• 49:47
  But it was in that it was in that respect, right?
• 49:50
  It's like it was. You did this dog and pony show
• 49:54
  Once mmm-hmm. So my advice would be When
• 49:58
  you're going through with the second time, focus on what
• 50:02
  you've learned about this business and don't get caught up
• 50:05
  in the hype of recruiting. Yes.
• 50:08
  Yeah, because so many people sell the height and there's a
• 50:14
  difference between selling, you know, something flashy and
• 50:19
  showing the production of what you do at a school and I it
• 50:25
  blows my mind that some people want It to be courted so badly
• 50:29
  as you put it. Yeah it they get hyped.
• 50:32
  They get hyped twice. Absolutely.
• 50:37
  It goes my mind. The number of people who fall
• 50:39
  for the for the record. Yes, twice, yes.
• 50:45
  Yeah, you know, I, it always makes me laugh.
• 50:47
  And you know, I see kids talking about they're leaving this
• 50:50
  school because they want to go pro and the next school that
• 50:53
  they're that they're interested in is give them a better
• 50:56
  opportunity at that. And then I'm the At the says,
• 50:58
  okay, well, how many pro athletes does that coach have?
• 51:02
  How many pro athletes has that coach produced and the aunt?
• 51:06
  And and like I don't even care what the answer is, what blows
• 51:08
  my mind is the answer I get back is I don't know how, yeah, how
• 51:15
  are you trying to go pro? But you, but you don't do the
• 51:19
  research to find out like whether that program produces
• 51:22
  program that goes beyond their poster, athletes that train at
• 51:25
  that place while you answering your phone.
• 51:28
  It's right there. It's right there.
• 51:30
  None of this stuff is hidden. Yeah.
• 51:34
  But I mean, hey, I was a transfer athlete.
• 51:38
  All right. I was just really went South
• 51:41
  Carolina, considered a few other schools in between there.
• 51:46
  The second time around, it was boring.
• 51:50
  It was all about business. Yeah.
• 51:52
  You know what I mean? And you can still mess up and
• 51:55
  make poor choices in that, right?
• 51:56
  But the height piece of it, you should be able to, you know,
• 52:02
  call up the coach, huh, fins, like coach.
• 52:06
  This is what I know about your program.
• 52:08
  This is what I've done. This is what I'm trying to do.
• 52:11
  This is where I see myself within your team.
• 52:13
  Is this something you want to be interested in with me?
• 52:17
  What's it looking like, like don't all the extra stuff.
• 52:21
  You don't need all that. Yeah.
• 52:25
  To did you have any advice? Spence address, I mean
• 52:36
  anything's, but the academic piece is so huge knowing where
• 52:43
  you want to land and what you need to do in order to be in
• 52:46
  that institution, right? Being at the institution that I
• 52:49
  might Now versus the last two that I've been at the apartments
• 52:53
  are so different, and even just entertaining some of these
• 52:56
  conversations. So it's not going to be a
• 53:00
  frustrating. Because you're talking about a
• 53:06
  and I'm talking about be and you can't even hear the conversation
• 53:09
  about, because you're so stuck about telling me about a, you
• 53:12
  know, there's currently conversations going on.
• 53:15
  Like, I know I can help miss that in there.
• 53:17
  And you see these holes. Awesome.
• 53:19
  I'm glad you see them, but you can't even get into our school.
• 53:22
  Yeah, right. And so, that and understanding,
• 53:26
  not even the institutional requirements, but PT deeper
• 53:30
  that, I know there's a lot of letters to your progress towards
• 53:33
  degree per, the NCAA regulations.
• 53:36
  Can we just stop right there for one second?
• 53:37
  That's the part right there. Yeah.
• 53:40
  That when I talk about things that student athlete, as you can
• 53:43
  actually get accepted and still that is the part that student
• 53:48
  athletes are the worst about is understanding ptd and how it
• 53:54
  works. Yep, and I'll even see some
• 53:57
  coaches. Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
• 54:03
  Like, it is so easy to be eligible, anywhere for a
• 54:06
  semester. Yeah.
• 54:08
  It is in that same school. You could be, it could be
• 54:12
  borderline impossible to be eligible thereafter.
• 54:15
  Yes. And that's where the new
• 54:17
  legislation comes in the hand because for the benefit of the
• 54:21
  athlete, they're good. And they might they might be the
• 54:25
  one who actually knows this. Uh-huh.
• 54:27
  And if your academic team, In your athletic academic team were
• 54:31
  compliance team isn't first enough they're not going to
• 54:34
  prevent that. Yeah, I know to prevent that you
• 54:37
  know and so it's there's so many layers but that that's the
• 54:41
  biggest thing for me right now in in maneuvering, in the portal
• 54:45
  that we the way we are. It's like man, you know, you can
• 54:49
  manipulate something but there are some things you just can't
• 54:52
  undo and so that's the only your transcripts.
• 54:56
  Look like the Goof of that particular issue is You know
• 55:01
  Stanford or something aside right?
• 55:04
  Almost any school The athletic department can push a button or
• 55:10
  pick up a phone and get you accepted into the university
• 55:14
  that has absolutely nothing to do with.
• 55:16
  Are you eligible right on here? Not at all Gainesville.
• 55:28
  You know what? I'm going to give you a
• 55:30
  different kind of digital. So here's another scenario that
• 55:53
  I people don't understand how you can be a transfer A student
• 55:56
  who's an eligible in the fall, but you can get eligible in the
• 56:01
  spring when the work you do in the fall.
• 56:04
  So you can get admitted to school but there's no button to
• 56:08
  push people staring game. Yeah, but not for the track and
• 56:13
  field program. Black debacle is this one, kid X
• 56:23
  transfers mid-year to school y, right?
• 56:30
  Because of a very at various Myriad of things, they are out.
• 56:35
  They are leaving the school eligible and they are going to
• 56:38
  be eligible at the next school for that semester, but as soon
• 56:42
  as that semester is over, It is very evident that there's going
• 56:48
  to need to be a lot of prayer and you becoming a whole
• 56:54
  different students in you ever been to be eligible the
• 56:58
  following year. Yeah.
• 56:59
  Right. Because you as student as
• 57:03
  student X have no idea how many credits you even allowed to take
• 57:08
  in summer school or how many are allowed to count towards ptd.
• 57:13
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah, because those know, The
• 57:17
  issue there isn't the student athlete.
• 57:19
  They issued their is said coach in compliance and academic team
• 57:24
  that doesn't present this to the to nothing before it was he that
• 57:26
  doesn't happen on Mike and I agree.
• 57:29
  So I think we all agree with that.
• 57:45
  Your job of adulting, right? But it is still your job as the
• 57:51
  transferring student, to understand where and what
• 57:57
  progress towards degree is if for no other reason that all you
• 58:01
  care about is running and you want to make sure you could be
• 58:03
  eligible, like that is the people that have the information
• 58:10
  on the people that are signing. So if the people that are
• 58:14
  signing you and telling you, you're fine, Fine.
• 58:16
  See, I know of an institution that allowed an athlete to come
• 58:20
  to the school. They sign them, they got in
• 58:23
  there. The athlete competed in a like
• 58:26
  whoa. We got PD T.
• 58:31
  TD problem only affects for the record wasn't on this campus.
• 58:35
  Yeah, but that happens all the time.
• 58:41
  You have to eschew, that's an Integrity issue on that campus,
• 58:51
  right? That is at that is I will do
• 58:54
  anything to win issue and that's why I couldn't agree with you
• 58:57
  more. And I still say As much as I
• 59:00
  agree with you because that world exists as a student
• 59:04
  athlete is still your job to know what you're supposed to
• 59:07
  know. Like, I agree with you.
• 59:08
  Like, like, how do you know that when the people that are telling
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  you are the people that are in charge of that are saying,
• 59:14
  you're good? How you supposed to know, well,
• 59:16
  okay. So what they still have your
• 59:18
  numbers, right? Like now you transfer, okay,
• 59:20
  what I'm saying is this, when you transfer, they have to tell
• 59:24
  you, how many of your credits are going to transfer You have
• 59:28
  to know that it's right. Okay.
• 59:30
  It's so if you it's real, simple math, if this is how many are
• 59:34
  going to transfer and I'm going to be eligible here.
• 59:37
  How many credits do I have to have to be eligible next year,
• 59:42
  right? Okay.
• 59:43
  Well, if that number is 20, Did you gotta understand?
• 59:49
  That means you got to take six in the summer and 14 in the
• 59:51
  spring and pass them all. Yes, if you can't take nine.
• 59:56
  Minimum was so he did 12 think that they can do in the
• 1:00:02
  summertime. I think the EP will like my
• 1:00:06
  phrasing of this. It's one of those situations in
• 1:00:08
  life as it pertains to the student-athlete where it's not
• 1:00:12
  your fault, but it is your problem, facts.
• 1:00:15
  Yes, yes. I've seen that too many times,
• 1:00:20
  coach lied or didn't understand the worst compliance slide or
• 1:00:25
  didn't understand because there's layers.
• 1:00:27
  Right. This is Paul to Lucius this
• 1:00:29
  point. It is the school's fault.
• 1:00:32
  Absolutely it is the adults fault hundred percent.
• 1:00:36
  I couldn't agree with you more solutions?
• 1:00:37
  Yeah, absolutely. But what Clyde is dead-on with
• 1:00:41
  what I was trying to say If you're going to be the one
• 1:00:44
  that's going to deal with the ramifications of it, then it is
• 1:00:47
  going to be your problem. So if it's gonna be your problem
• 1:00:51
  at the end of the day it's still be who's you to know as much of
• 1:00:56
  this process as possible, right? And when you're continually
• 1:01:00
  transform because ptd may sound scary but ultimately all it is.
• 1:01:06
  Is basic arithmetic. Yes.
• 1:01:08
  You should be able to figure that out 12:24.
• 1:01:13
  Okay, what's in it? It's a until the math.
• 1:01:17
  To everybody's Point here. It's the biggest issue is you
• 1:01:21
  have people that don't know. The people that think that
• 1:01:26
  there's a way to skirt said rules and then they do whatever
• 1:01:30
  they have to do to get said athlete into the institution and
• 1:01:34
  then they get them there and then it's like, oh, by the way,
• 1:01:37
  I was wrong. Yeah, because of an athlete
• 1:01:40
  wants to be someplace so bad. They'll Whatever doesn't get
• 1:01:43
  when went coach says, hey you're fine, don't worry about, I got
• 1:01:47
  you. All right.
• 1:01:48
  Well, how about this scenario athlete X is an engineer at?
• 1:01:55
  It's always engine or first, as always engineering, I know it
• 1:02:00
  transfers to school. Why Credits don't transfer over
• 1:02:06
  there telling him hey you're going to have to do agriculture
• 1:02:10
  studies if you're going to be eligible here.
• 1:02:13
  Yep what what is that worth to you?
• 1:02:18
  And and that is real. You for and I don't know about
• 1:02:24
  about the rest of y'all, but I don't I don't understand why an
• 1:02:30
  institution would not accept credits from another
• 1:02:35
  institution. I mean, who knows how its
• 1:02:40
  academic ego. It's just that's 100% all having
• 1:02:45
  worked at some of those schools. Yes, like the cows, the Georgia
• 1:02:49
  Tech's awake forces of the world.
• 1:02:51
  Academic ego, right? Like algae, what is bruh?
• 1:02:54
  Yeah, but it ain't algebra, which I mentioned equations.
• 1:02:57
  Is differential equations. Is it ain't it ain't those
• 1:02:59
  classes. Do you talk about math?
• 1:03:01
  Math is math, math is always method.
• 1:03:03
  But trust me when I tell you they're like if you take if you
• 1:03:07
  could come from a liberal arts school like a place like Wake
• 1:03:10
  Forest and you transfer to a place, like, Georgia Tech may be
• 1:03:13
  nothing that you took transfers. It's crazy because one school is
• 1:03:17
  speaking English. The other school speaking
• 1:03:18
  Spanish and I had they don't respect.
• 1:03:21
  Gangster in that. Just is what it is.
• 1:03:22
  I've, it's acts, it's absolutely academic hubris because true
• 1:03:28
  story. I'll leave II was at a lesser
• 1:03:32
  School academically and my people told me that the UCLA
• 1:03:39
  credits didn't transfer, and I almost lost my mind.
• 1:03:43
  Because I said, now, look, I'm not here to stand up for UCLA,
• 1:03:48
  but depending on what you want to read, it's either the number
• 1:03:50
  one. Or number two, you have look
• 1:03:52
  institution in the country in the country in the world and we
• 1:03:56
  are a public institution. So, how you telling me there are
• 1:03:59
  classes are is good. You like that.
• 1:04:02
  Doesn't make any sense to me. So, how how do you get that
• 1:04:06
  Intel before, right? How do you do that?
• 1:04:10
  And that's, that's a very hard question, and it's, and I think
• 1:04:15
  to be, to be fair, I don't think this is something that's rented,
• 1:04:18
  you know, it's probably not. What it is but it's definitely
• 1:04:22
  something that needs to be thought about it needs to be
• 1:04:24
  addressed because you know there have been people that wanted to
• 1:04:27
  transfer before and they, you know, wasn't the portal at the
• 1:04:30
  time and it they put themselves out there and then they realize
• 1:04:33
  Jesus, I can only study eligible where I am.
• 1:04:37
  You know, I've had that conversation with people.
• 1:04:39
  Like you can't come here. You got to stay where you are
• 1:04:41
  because you go anywhere you're not eligible.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah. You greater good enough.
• 1:04:45
  Because a lot of the times it's tough to won't transfer is not
• 1:04:48
  because in the class itself is the grade you got in there.
• 1:04:51
  Yes. Yes, some days, there's some
• 1:04:54
  schools that won't take seeds as rising.
• 1:04:59
  You need to know who you want to transfer.
• 1:05:01
  Take sees these. Yes you've got those things on
• 1:05:05
  your transcript. Exact to ask that question.
• 1:05:07
  And you need to know that. Yeah, right just that's if
• 1:05:11
  you're at the minimum Chances are, you are going to have
• 1:05:16
  problems if you are a 24 or 48 and you are thinking, all of
• 1:05:22
  that is going to transfer over. Think again, say it's an essay,
• 1:05:25
  in the problem you had is, I believe the way that the
• 1:05:28
  reporter is structured, now is if you go into the portal, your
• 1:05:33
  Aid can't be taken immediately but it can be canceled for the
• 1:05:36
  next year. Yeah hmm.
• 1:05:38
  So so the issue you have here is once you go into the portal
• 1:05:42
  School All dream, may not be your dream anymore because it
• 1:05:47
  becomes a nightmare when you can't get into school day.
• 1:05:49
  Yes. So now what you have to do is go
• 1:05:52
  to school Plan, B, C, D and E to find someplace.
• 1:05:56
  You can go get a degree and still have a successful career.
• 1:05:59
  So damn, see I think the big thing for me is that I think
• 1:06:02
  what the transfer Port is created, is just there's no
• 1:06:05
  sense of loyalty, there's no sense of you know me stick this
• 1:06:09
  out for a year and see if I can make it work.
• 1:06:11
  Now for you Clastic stick-to-itiveness.
• 1:06:15
  This is Zach was none of that. It's like, hey, I'm having a bad
• 1:06:17
  time, you're out, I'm out. Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  You know, I ran 47 flat, nice, cool, and Iran 46 to this year.
• 1:06:25
  That's not fast enough about it. Yeah, or the guy that you know
• 1:06:29
  Pace. Let's really fast on a relay and
• 1:06:31
  everybody in the country thinks he's the best called modern to
• 1:06:33
  play it now, Idol or wealthy. Here we go.
• 1:06:46
  Well, give thanks for the the pettiness that was just released
• 1:06:51
  forgive, you know, ii-i'm trying to see.
• 1:06:55
  That's, that's y'all's fault. I wasn't like this for us are
• 1:06:58
  hanging out, right. I take no responsibility.
• 1:07:16
  I enjoy you listen to the words but the question is actually a
• 1:07:27
  very good question and it was taken and we're going to
• 1:07:32
  interpret and gives them to it. What is the bigger Gap?
• 1:07:38
  I'm major Blueblood D ones and low Major D ones.
• 1:07:43
  Or low Major, D ones and high, Major D tubes, where does the
• 1:07:48
  bigger gap? Stand, d, 1 to d 1.
• 1:07:51
  I do go ahead key with the with the given caveat that it depends
• 1:08:02
  on what level of prospect of prosperity.
• 1:08:08
  You were trying to achieve inevitably.
• 1:08:11
  So with that gut with that That caveat stated I don't think
• 1:08:15
  there's any doubt that there is a Grand Canyon size gap between
• 1:08:22
  will call it power 5, whatever that is is it's not just power
• 1:08:26
  fives. But what that level and this
• 1:08:31
  level? And I mean, the description was
• 1:08:32
  the Blue Bloods, right? Yes.
• 1:08:35
  So, so this is between the blue blood like that Gap.
• 1:08:43
  Is the size of the Grand Canyon. The truth of the matter is, The
• 1:08:51
  gap between the mid major and the top third of the D2, there
• 1:08:58
  isn't a gap. It's just the number of them
• 1:09:01
  that's on your team. Yeah, right.
• 1:09:04
  That's right that because if you take the, if you take the, if
• 1:09:08
  you take the good kid, right? Like the conference fourth,
• 1:09:12
  place type kid at at the mid-major I don't.
• 1:09:16
  Is that what I'm saying? The kids are good, kids.
• 1:09:56
  At the blue blood level. Don't exist and probably will
• 1:10:01
  never exist at the at the standard mid-major level it
• 1:10:05
  doesn't matter if and I used to have to have this argument all
• 1:10:10
  the time during my time in division two it doesn't matter
• 1:10:14
  if you're talking about the school's, meaning the
• 1:10:19
  infrastructure and all the things that come along with it
• 1:10:23
  or the performances of said athletes.
• 1:10:26
  The top of D12, the middle bottom of D1 Grand, Canyon Gap
• 1:10:34
  is a very apropos descriptor, the top of the vision to and the
• 1:10:41
  middle bottom of division. One there is no Gap, no Gap.
• 1:10:45
  There are really isn't, and the, the, the interesting thing that
• 1:10:52
  I found, When I was working in division two and again, I'm I'm
• 1:10:58
  Addie. One person.
• 1:10:59
  I went to UCLA when the South Carolina right Pac-12 SEC, so
• 1:11:02
  I'm an elitist, right? That was my experience.
• 1:11:07
  I was pleasantly surprised to get into division 2 and realize
• 1:11:14
  that my ignorance was wrong. And oh, you know what?
• 1:11:17
  There's actually, some really great coaches at division, two
• 1:11:21
  because I didn't know that before I was forced to working.
• 1:11:24
  Right before I chose to go into that endeavor.
• 1:11:26
  And it started to become a really like a thorn of
• 1:11:31
  irritation because I watched these other coaches in division
• 1:11:36
  one and the High School coaches and athletes and I'm like,
• 1:11:40
  you're going to walk away from an amazing opportunity at
• 1:11:44
  division, two with a proven coach to go put on a jersey
• 1:11:50
  because you want to be the one, so you can hashtag Tag D1, and
• 1:11:55
  then watch people, you know, flounder and suffer and not
• 1:11:59
  develop, right? They're like I would almost say
• 1:12:02
  that I'd say about a third of people who are in division one
• 1:12:08
  belonging to Vision to hmm and we do better.
• 1:12:12
  Well, they would thrive in win things.
• 1:12:14
  Yes. Yeah, I'm not to jump off the
• 1:12:19
  ledge and saved, right? And when things but they would
• 1:12:21
  contest. Yeah, more than they're
• 1:12:22
  contesting now. If you win a conference
• 1:12:36
  Championship later on in life, it doesn't matter what
• 1:12:38
  conference it was. Yeah it matters when you're 21
• 1:12:40
  years old in college sure. But when you put it on your
• 1:12:43
  resume and you trying to get a job me too, it doesn't matter.
• 1:12:47
  Yeah but see but see what's that?
• 1:12:48
  Same caveat, the letters that are on your diploma before and
• 1:12:56
  after I agree. So, so so mi thing the whole
• 1:13:01
  this whole thing is like okay so there's a, there's a A gap
• 1:13:04
  between some of the power fives. That's their.
• 1:13:07
  Yes. Saying that's the bright.
• 1:13:09
  Yes, yes, exactly. You know, so I think that if
• 1:13:16
  it's me, I think, you know, an education is an education.
• 1:13:23
  I think the value of the education, I was just high as
• 1:13:25
  almost a credible University, but I think the bigger the
• 1:13:29
  ability to go there and may contribute to something.
• 1:13:32
  Yeah. Right I don't think you could
• 1:13:34
  Anyway, I don't want to just go to a school and say I was on the
• 1:13:36
  team for four years then went to the track meet.
• 1:13:39
  Right? That's that's no fun.
• 1:13:41
  Yeah but it is a thing, the team won national title.
• 1:13:47
  I got a t-shirt if I was on the team.
• 1:13:50
  Exactly. So that that's not something
• 1:13:53
  that you people should strive for, in my opinion.
• 1:13:55
  I think that the Gap is huge, a lot of ways and you know, I you
• 1:13:59
  know and I, you know obviously no, I've got that first world
• 1:14:01
  problem and I'm happy I have that first world.
• 1:14:04
  All right, I'ma hold onto a lot was again.
• 1:14:07
  So it's like I think the thing here guys, it's it's a support
• 1:14:12
  system. That's what it comes down to,
• 1:14:14
  you know, that the support system.
• 1:14:15
  I mean, when you know, Nick Saban changes the game with all
• 1:14:20
  the quality controls and that kind of thing that he added to
• 1:14:24
  Alabama football and I just love.
• 1:14:27
  So the rich got richer because they could afford to do those
• 1:14:30
  things. And help people who can't, Yeah,
• 1:14:34
  well, it's not. So I've had this conversation
• 1:14:39
  with Lamar and I've actually like, I think we've done like,
• 1:14:44
  kind of a straw poll, like pick Four, five schools that are
• 1:14:51
  currently floundering in power 5.
• 1:14:56
  And what would happen if the right coach of the right
• 1:15:00
  individual took the Helm of those schools of those.
• 1:15:03
  Oh, yeah. We've had this conversation,
• 1:15:05
  both sober and drunk. Exactly.
• 1:15:07
  So, still dating both ways. So TMI.
• 1:15:35
  But let's let's call a spade, a spade, you know, why are they
• 1:15:40
  floundering, right? It's you we can look year after
• 1:15:46
  year after year and look at the rankings and I'm just like, I'm
• 1:15:49
  just going to keep it at track for right now.
• 1:15:51
  Right, please and you are you are It's mystifying.
• 1:15:57
  It's absolutely mystifying because yes they may not have
• 1:16:02
  the resources of a Florida. But this got more resources than
• 1:16:09
  everybody else. Where's who, why aren't you
• 1:16:13
  using those resources and the right way?
• 1:16:18
  And is it okay to be where you're at?
• 1:16:21
  That, that's the part that's just mind boggling to me.
• 1:16:25
  And it really hit me when I got here, you know, and Clyde and I
• 1:16:30
  can have this conversation before we I know for me and I
• 1:16:35
  know No, for Clyde, we are enjoying out working those
• 1:16:39
  folks. We are loving this.
• 1:16:43
  Absolutely, you know, it gives me joy, you know?
• 1:16:46
  So yeah, absolutely. The gap between top of the power
• 1:16:52
  of the food chain and the bottom of power 5 is much, much
• 1:16:55
  greater. But to the governor's Point,
• 1:16:58
  Petty, Joy is the best Joy I do. I do enjoy that daily.
• 1:17:04
  Yeah. Look, it's not even a
• 1:17:09
  track-and-field conversation, but this was something that I
• 1:17:13
  type of conversation in the space that I've had a million
• 1:17:15
  times, right? People have gotten upset with me
• 1:17:18
  and I'll take the hot issue at the moment, right?
• 1:17:21
  I've said many many times that the smartest thing HBCU world
• 1:17:25
  could do for themselves. Is everybody together?
• 1:17:29
  Go to division two? Everybody's oh that's so
• 1:17:31
  offensive. Why is it offensive?
• 1:17:33
  Is it more important? Would it be seen as a bigger
• 1:17:37
  deal? The Jackson State goes and wins
• 1:17:39
  the celebration bowl or that they win a National Championship
• 1:17:42
  in division, two. Yeah, it would be more important
• 1:17:46
  and much bigger deal and more. People would care about the
• 1:17:49
  national championship. So they opted out of the out of
• 1:17:52
  the small School playoffs. Yes.
• 1:17:55
  Anyone do that. Yeah, to hang onto the
• 1:17:58
  celebration Bowl thing. It just doesn't make any sense.
• 1:18:01
  And so if you're in these situations, And you you're
• 1:18:06
  talking about, you know, recruits and you know
• 1:18:09
  perspective and all this other stuff.
• 1:18:12
  The top of the vision to track and field, any given year is,
• 1:18:16
  he'll eat his Elite. They leave his.
• 1:18:19
  Now you may have two or three Elite and the rest, right?
• 1:18:24
  No. Aren't the the death isn't
• 1:18:26
  there? But the top is the top.
• 1:18:28
  Yeah. But your your your mid-major and
• 1:18:33
  Below there's P5 G5. Is everybody else, right?
• 1:18:36
  The everybody else. Go look at the different
• 1:18:39
  division 2 National Championship meet you.
• 1:18:41
  Yeah, you can't, you can't tell me, it's any different.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, you know, an athlete here at least their aside, but it's
• 1:18:48
  basically that let's be also, be very real cognizant of the fact
• 1:18:53
  that you talk about the G5. Monte Carlo.
• 1:19:25
  Ashland University. Come on now.
• 1:19:27
  Yeah, I mean look. He's marking.
• 1:19:30
  What the best? Yeah, to have been.
• 1:19:32
  They've always been good enough. Yes.
• 1:19:34
  Yeah. Oh, in state can't state is not
• 1:19:37
  an eigenstate. They're not, they're doing what
• 1:19:41
  is funny like to the governor's point about our conversations
• 1:19:45
  that we've had multiple lot of conversations about like, okay,
• 1:19:50
  if you were going to get the support, not necessarily look
• 1:19:53
  not. We won't call the University of
• 1:19:55
  Florida support but we'll say appropriate support to build a
• 1:19:59
  championship program. Where would you go and like my
• 1:20:02
  top to answer that? I'm not going to give them, but
• 1:20:04
  my top two answers, one of them was a P5 school and one of them
• 1:20:06
  isn't, I don't even think they're in a group of five.
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  Hmm. But there is this, the same
• 1:20:12
  answer. I remember, they're not.
• 1:20:14
  Yeah, so right. But, but what if given support
• 1:20:18
  at those two places? Yeah.
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  You could assemble a staff and a team that could, you know, one
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  day as Solutions was retiring take over the throne.
• 1:20:31
  I will never forget a certain California school that Lamar
• 1:20:35
  told me, who would be the best that I can feel School in the
• 1:20:40
  entire country. I will go to my grave.
• 1:20:42
  Forget you telling me that I'll go to my grave in the morning.
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  I had this conversation, you know, kind of No, I want to see
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  impressively a couple of weeks ago because I'm of the belief
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  that if you have the support I have here.
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  Mmm, I think I can go anywhere in the country of my there you
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  go. Yeah we definitely had this
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  conversation aggressively more, any recipes from your words,
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  your Sounds like that's what we could
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  sell. So I'll say this because I've
• 1:21:33
  actually been at the gaps at the gaps right now and wow, wow,
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  that was awesome. That was, that's what I mean.
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  You've already said it, but I've lived the gap between mid-major
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  low, major D1, and D2. And it's having to recruit
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  against it and then recruit to it and then now living in the
• 1:22:05
  seats that I live in. I'm like, oh Lord, yeah.
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  How many different ways can I say this to make one side or the
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  other? Like better not as better, they
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  like that and it's unreal. It really is unreal and whether
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  you go institution programmatic or athletic or / athletes, I
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  mean, it's it's really unreal. So anyhow with that being said,
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  I really have in my head, noted like three screen records to do
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  a little commercials for this episode, this point, right?
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  Young man is considering coming to train with us, and he was a
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  division, three National Champion multiple times.
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  And the first day he came, Came to check out, you know, our
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  environment, the weather was inclement.
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  And so, we took practice inside to the indoor football facility,
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  he was at a school that doesn't have football.
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  We didn't have to do anything else.
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  We walked in the building and he was like, we can use this like
• 1:23:18
  whenever it rains. Yes.
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  He's like, yeah, I'm coming here.
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  Great, right? But these are things that like
• 1:23:27
  all of us have lived the like the P5 normal life, right?
• 1:23:33
  So like it's weird to us to some degree, to be impressed by an
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  indoor football facility. We've all lived where they have,
• 1:23:42
  well, you know what I mean? I'll talk he walked into the
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  bathroom. He walked into the basketball
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  arena was like they fill this place.
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  I think, sometimes he's like it. I'll take it one step further
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  from Milan would have been recruited someone that came from
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  another non power 5. And the first day we handed out
• 1:24:05
  equipment, the kid is looking at me like, right, this is I can
• 1:24:11
  practice in this, right? And I'm like yes he's like why
• 1:24:18
  are you giving me five t-shirts? Yeah, yes.
• 1:24:23
  And look there's my My mind was blown and I'm just going.
• 1:24:26
  What did they give you some shoes?
• 1:24:31
  Like some shoes. Yeah, one in one in the fall,
• 1:24:34
  one in the spring. And I'm like, are you serious
• 1:24:38
  right now? So, it's even even with up of
• 1:24:42
  five, it's insane. It really is, you know, so a
• 1:24:48
  little education. I mean, I love it.
• 1:24:51
  I love having these conversations because people,
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  you know, we're kind of speaking what people are thinking.
• 1:24:57
  Yes, you different. Populations are thinking about
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  screaming to the others, whether they're Avila above or below our
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  Into The Ether, right? Yeah.
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  Putting pen to the paper for some of you so, well, I didn't
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  announce it prior to hitting report, But Clyde you are in,
• 1:25:14
  and, would you rather this evening?
• 1:25:16
  All right, well, my internet might go out again.
• 1:25:19
  Shut up stupid. Oh turkey, so it is it'll it is
• 1:25:29
  my would you rather is thanksgiving-themed I was going
• 1:25:31
  to have you you all throw in yours because mine's relatively
• 1:25:35
  short. Because okay, do here is deep.
• 1:25:39
  And we've actually done a lot of things giving stuff for holiday
• 1:25:41
  stuff, and pardon me being insensitive to the holiday, the
• 1:25:46
  holiday season. Not just Thanksgiving.
• 1:25:49
  I apologize holiday. So, would you?
• 1:25:54
  Rather cut the turkey or make the cranberry sauce.
• 1:26:00
  I don't cook and I don't really care about Thanksgiving or
• 1:26:05
  whatever else you want to call it.
• 1:26:06
  So, as long as there's a plate, I'll be on it there.
• 1:26:12
  Have been many years, where me and Mom, just ordered pizza and
• 1:26:15
  called it good. All right, however, you
• 1:26:20
  celebrate right there. Would you rather shop Black
• 1:26:23
  Friday or Cyber Dragon? I do not shop Black Friday, you
• 1:26:28
  you will not pay me to go outside on Black Friday.
• 1:26:31
  I listen, I tried it once and I almost had to harm an old white.
• 1:26:40
  She threatened my life. And I was afraid, and I felt
• 1:26:45
  like I needed to go home. Yeah, we asked by over a camera
• 1:26:49
  that I didn't even want. Question.
• 1:26:52
  After that. Put a pin in Black Friday, free
• 1:26:55
  Thanksgiving. Dinner, would you rather do
• 1:26:57
  dinner in or take out? Wait, what?
• 1:27:02
  Free free Thanksgiving feel like tonight would I rather be Would
• 1:27:17
  you rather this is irrelevant, but this is relevant to the
• 1:27:20
  tryptophan, would you rather fall asleep on a futon or on a
• 1:27:25
  couch? Futons are terrible.
• 1:27:28
  We don't, you know, they're futons are one of those
• 1:27:38
  inventions that were made for small people and I am not so
• 1:27:42
  yeah, I'm good. Me and futons have never got
• 1:27:44
  along. Oh, I was living the life.
• 1:27:46
  It like middle school, high school.
• 1:27:48
  I had a futon is my bed. And so when I was really feeling
• 1:27:51
  myself, well, that bad boy up, and now you got a couch in a
• 1:27:54
  room, all that space. Yeah.
• 1:27:57
  All that space, small people, small people.
• 1:28:00
  She's 55 little studio apartment in the house.
• 1:28:10
  Anyhow gentlemen, would you rather please lift up your
• 1:28:14
  questions? Well, you already know what I'm
• 1:28:17
  asking. Oh, I'm here for it.
• 1:28:19
  Make it. No, you got to go last them
• 1:28:21
  because that's a conversation. You got to go last because they
• 1:28:24
  were going to open it up to the reservoir.
• 1:28:27
  Okay? Good answer.
• 1:28:30
  Lucius. Nam.
• 1:28:33
  What think about this woman? Are you all right?
• 1:28:43
  I gotta, I gotta keep it within a season, then I gotta be at
• 1:28:49
  Thanksgiving thing. Doesn't you know?
• 1:28:52
  No. All right.
• 1:29:04
  Interesting. Okay, I'll go.
• 1:29:07
  Would you rather relive? Your last at, would you rather
• 1:29:16
  have a Redo for your last Pac-12 championships or your last pack
• 1:29:20
  in your last SEC Championship? Oh, my life.
• 1:29:23
  As an athlete. Hmm, I don't recall that you
• 1:29:30
  coached at either one of those, obviously coach at the Pac-12
• 1:29:34
  Championship sir, my bad. Well, then you have a coach that
• 1:29:38
  the deck, the SEC, so that it could be a question.
• 1:29:40
  Could, you know, do that? So the funny thing is at my last
• 1:29:50
  SEC Championship, I was injured and at my last Pac-12
• 1:29:56
  Championship on my way out to transfer.
• 1:29:58
  I was injured. So the issue is nothing but no,
• 1:30:03
  I'd rather be healthy and redo the SEC.
• 1:30:06
  Me Government to buy you a second.
• 1:30:14
  Would you rather run a track meet?
• 1:30:17
  So this is you as the athlete at deanza or at Chabot.
• 1:30:22
  Oh, dancers not even close. The answer has a spectacular
• 1:30:27
  facility and I'll just leave it there.
• 1:30:34
  All right. um, Okay, would you rather travel to a relative's
• 1:30:44
  house for Thanksgiving dinner? Or would you rather eat
• 1:30:48
  Thanksgiving at your own house? My own house every time.
• 1:30:53
  Every time five, lame at least throw up.
• 1:30:56
  Listen, well I would rather add that home period.
• 1:31:00
  I would rather eat at home by myself.
• 1:31:04
  Pizza. Like I love my family I don't
• 1:31:10
  love all that. Yeah.
• 1:31:14
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:31:15
  There's a there's a there's a faction of people out there that
• 1:31:20
  believe that drama is supposed to come with Thanksgiving.
• 1:31:23
  I've just I don't cotton to that never have never will just never
• 1:31:29
  had never asked your question. Oh, my question is really
• 1:31:32
  simple, mr. Clyde would you rather eat
• 1:31:37
  Pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving. What would you rather eat sweet
• 1:31:40
  potato pie again. This is a nuanced and I will
• 1:31:45
  repeat what I said before. Pumpkin pie is amazing.
• 1:31:49
  I will eat pumpkin pie, 12 months out of the Year.
• 1:31:53
  Oh my God, anytime it's available because pumpkin pie is
• 1:31:58
  awesome. Now I will say this Really well
• 1:32:03
  done. Sweet potato, pie is Elite and
• 1:32:07
  above the best. Sweet potato pie I've ever had
• 1:32:10
  is much better than the best pumpkin pie I've ever had but
• 1:32:14
  very few people do that well and pumpkin pie is always awesome.
• 1:32:18
  And sweet potato. Pies like 60/40 bad so I'm good.
• 1:32:24
  Give me the pumpkin. You can get good pumpkin pie
• 1:32:27
  from anywhere. It's good.
• 1:32:28
  From Costco is Good from. Safeway is Good from Raley's.
• 1:32:32
  Don't matter, it's just good and it's not from the one.
• 1:32:57
  I can get front from the health food joint down the block.
• 1:33:02
  Very difficult. Here's what I'll say about
• 1:33:04
  pumpkin pie and she take apart. I think I am in a really really
• 1:33:09
  weird minority. I like them both.
• 1:33:12
  I definitely like sweet potato pie more than pumpkin pie but I
• 1:33:16
  am not in the one only versus the other.
• 1:33:21
  Most people have picked the side, right?
• 1:33:24
  I have it looks its political now.
• 1:33:27
  It's yeah. Well, as you see because now now
• 1:33:30
  look now their acronyms for other.
• 1:33:32
  Things, right? They like, you know, all I know
• 1:33:36
  is this if I walk into how sex tomorrow and someone says we got
• 1:33:41
  pumpkin pie, I'm like give it to me.
• 1:33:44
  Somebody says we got sweet potato pie.
• 1:33:46
  I'm saying who made it? I need to know Oh God.
• 1:34:18
  If the pumpkin pie is half gone, I will take my plate of food
• 1:34:23
  food and put it in the 10 surrounded by the pumpkin pie,
• 1:34:28
  like that is just what does it taste good?
• 1:34:30
  Awesome. Wow.
• 1:34:34
  It's my gosh. Oh my gosh.
• 1:34:37
  All right. My second.
• 1:34:38
  Favorite pie is Cherry, Cherry Pie is really good weight from
• 1:34:43
  the corner store. Hey, I have never had a bad.
• 1:34:49
  There's no Steven. Yes.
• 1:35:01
  From the Cornerstone anyways. Okay, you guys have you guys
• 1:35:06
  have issues became. So we're a little off the rails.
• 1:35:25
  Okay, can't do we have, do we have time for turkey?
• 1:35:29
  Keys of the year. No, we do not.
• 1:35:36
  We actually have gone longer so we'll see what happens.
• 1:35:50
  So, giving thanks giving props, giving thoughts to those who are
• 1:35:56
  wrong to receive them. Lifting up for you all - silly
• 1:36:03
  but serious. So I'll just jump in as you see
• 1:36:08
  I am in all black tonight. My heartbeat props.
• 1:36:11
  Go out to my team sjsu Spartans who have survived the start of
• 1:36:19
  what we call Boot Camp up until Thanksgiving.
• 1:36:23
  The team is extremely young and I'm really really proud of the
• 1:36:26
  work they have put in. And the reason I'm in all black
• 1:36:29
  is Because on December 9th, we are going to have a true inner
• 1:36:33
  squad meet we have fantasy. Drafted the teams.
• 1:36:37
  There are three teams TJ Harris's over team gold.
• 1:36:41
  Ernie Clark is over team blue and I am of course over team
• 1:36:44
  black. And we are going to curb stomp.
• 1:36:46
  The rest of our competition into submission.
• 1:36:49
  We will raise the trophy. It's going to be awesome and I'm
• 1:36:53
  just here for it. I'm proud of all the kids.
• 1:36:55
  But on December 9th, it's all team black.
• 1:36:59
  That's good. That's good.
• 1:37:01
  I'm, I'm echoing the same sentiment Clyde.
• 1:37:06
  I'm super proud of our team and the work that we put in.
• 1:37:14
  And, you know, I'm just hopeful at this point that they
• 1:37:20
  recognize what they've done and we're in the preparation, they
• 1:37:24
  put in and keep it going for the next six weeks.
• 1:37:28
  Because as we all know this is the time to show you can
• 1:37:35
  literally just take it all and throw it in the trash you know.
• 1:37:40
  And so you know, Hartley props but we got to keep this thing
• 1:37:45
  going. What was that?
• 1:37:49
  That's code for. We're really going to.
• 1:37:50
  We're going to be really good this year.
• 1:38:01
  Proud man. Proud.
• 1:38:15
  Two weeks in a row, just senseless violence, senseless,
• 1:38:19
  taking of lives, you know, at some point in time people, we
• 1:38:25
  got to get to the point where you realize that this thing with
• 1:38:28
  this problem with guns is real on this problem with us having
• 1:38:33
  issues with people because they don't look like us and walk like
• 1:38:36
  us and talk like us at some point.
• 1:38:38
  You got to stop and I know, I am not a politician.
• 1:38:42
  I am not known that smart to know exactly what the problem
• 1:38:45
  is. But I know this is a serious
• 1:38:47
  issue and it has to be addressed.
• 1:38:48
  So I want to give Harvey props to those who survived, those who
• 1:38:53
  have lost loved ones and those who have, you know, just even
• 1:38:57
  closer to situations because it's had a great effect on so
• 1:39:00
  many. So those are my Army Brothers.
• 1:39:03
  Absolutely. Similarly.
• 1:39:12
  Kudos Harvey prompts to all the athletes who have endured the
• 1:39:16
  Fall have prospered through the fall and dance to befall
• 1:39:20
  specifically those who are or frogs, but specifically this one
• 1:39:28
  particular athlete who endured to, I think technically three
• 1:39:34
  transitions in the last six months.
• 1:39:38
  Moaning that eight months Miss Gracie Morris.
• 1:39:42
  To just attended her first national championship, the cross
• 1:39:45
  country season and you know, ran solo her team but showed up
• 1:39:53
  showed out and is kind of made a noise when it was kind of doubt
• 1:39:56
  not doubted by anybody but maybe even herself of whether her
• 1:40:00
  presence was going to be there or not.
• 1:40:03
  But super proud of her super excited and keep smiling and
• 1:40:07
  keep running left. Right?
• 1:40:09
  Left? Right go fast.
• 1:40:14
  My heartbeat pop actually just kind of piggybacks off of what
• 1:40:17
  our main topic for tonight was my heartbeat props.
• 1:40:21
  Go out to all of the young people who are currently in or
• 1:40:26
  contemplating being in the transfer portal.
• 1:40:32
  It's a very intricate and brave decision that you've made a
• 1:40:39
  truly and utterly hope that you make the best of it.
• 1:40:43
  There's nothing wrong with moving, as long as you're moving
• 1:40:45
  up. For yourself and I don't mean
• 1:40:49
  any level. Right.
• 1:40:51
  As long as you're making your situation better, your own
• 1:40:54
  personal situation better. Don't let anybody question that
• 1:40:57
  decision. But don't, don't don't transfer
• 1:41:00
  for somebody else either. So, my heart be props, really
• 1:41:04
  and truly does, go to to the young people who are
• 1:41:11
  Contemplating right now, like making all kinds of massive life
• 1:41:15
  changes over the Christmas break.
• 1:41:19
  And not understanding what a massive Endeavor that truly is.
• 1:41:24
  And that, you know, people talk about transferring like it's
• 1:41:27
  easy. I did it.
• 1:41:29
  It ain't you know, it comes with stuff and You know, I wish them
• 1:41:38
  all the best. I hope that they make wise and
• 1:41:41
  emotionless decisions and that they make them matter.
• 1:41:48
  I'm sorry. Given the very important
• 1:41:52
  heartbeat props that sir Lucius throughout their and rightfully,
• 1:41:56
  so we would be remissed to not also mention the Colorado
• 1:42:01
  incidents and You know, the hero of the moment, you know, mr.
• 1:42:11
  Ferraro Richard Fierro Army veteran, who disarmed, and who
• 1:42:16
  knows how many lives he saved when him and the and the other
• 1:42:21
  members of other people in the audience at the, at the drag
• 1:42:26
  show, we're able to save by disarming, the man with the gun
• 1:42:31
  Zach, that is a crazy story and if you haven't Read it or
• 1:42:35
  haven't been paying attention to it.
• 1:42:37
  You really should you know just go to a new site and read what
• 1:42:43
  that man. Did it was incredible and
• 1:42:46
  they're very few people out there like him that would have
• 1:42:49
  even thought to jump in in a moment like that.
• 1:42:54
  He saved that there's out. There's you know, four or five
• 1:42:57
  people that have died from that. It could have been 30 and it
• 1:43:00
  wasn't because of that man and the others that ran to the aid.
• 1:43:04
  So I mean Bravo, sir. Yeah, seven mass shootings in
• 1:43:11
  the last seven days but we don't need to change gun laws at all.
• 1:43:18
  All right, well, wrap it up this in this, evenings episode.
• 1:43:25
  Happy holidays, start of the holiday season for everyone.
• 1:43:29
  Remember your sweatpants elastic, waistbands for
• 1:43:31
  tomorrow. And without further Ado, we're
• 1:43:36
  going, we're going to get up tomorrow.
• 1:43:42
  Tomorrow is all about. But I have a good one.
• 1:43:50
  It was Ian, he will later on my gosh.
• 1:43:55
  Go Giants.