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Credlin | 30 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia if you.
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Speaker 2: Show he's coming up tonight on Credline.
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Speaker 3: After weeks of being told there was no fuel crisis,
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Speaker 3: well it would appear now the government's starting to wake up.
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Speaker 3: But it's a four point plan that's four weeks too
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Speaker 3: late and is it enough. We'll dig into the details
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Speaker 3: of the PM's pole driven panic over fuel with Chris
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Speaker 3: Yulman coming out the Victorian Liberal Party now I have
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Speaker 3: no words here dumping MOI redeeming for someone who provided
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Speaker 3: a character reference for a convicted child sex offender. The
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Speaker 3: party now says he's withdrawn. He's disputing that, and the
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Speaker 3: talk is that one nation, one deeming on their team,
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Speaker 3: might take on it all coming out plus multiple polls
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Speaker 3: overnight confirming the trend continues for one nation. But there's
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Speaker 3: now serious problems for labor as the fuel crisis continues
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Speaker 3: to buy. So with this in mind, today's announcement to
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Speaker 3: have the fuel excise was this the signe of a
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Speaker 3: government running scared?
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Speaker 4: Last week the Prime Minister refused to cut the fuel
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Speaker 4: excise in response to our call to slash the tax.
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Speaker 4: Then just one hour ago the Prime Minister finally announced
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Speaker 4: a fuel excise cut. Why is the Prime Minister always
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Speaker 4: the last to lead in a national crisis?
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Speaker 2: But first?
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Speaker 3: A few months ago I attended an Australia Day event
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Speaker 3: put on by Moi Redeeming to fly the Liberal flag
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Speaker 3: in west of Melbourne, an area that is a must
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Speaker 3: win territory for the opposition at the November state election,
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Speaker 3: but at a place where Liberals are traditionally thin on
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Speaker 3: the ground. Now joining me there was former Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: Tony Abbott and Warren Mundine. It was a forty three
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Speaker 3: degree Saturday afternoon in Melbourne. I half expected a dismal
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Speaker 3: crowd as a result, so imagine my surprise when I
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Speaker 3: walked into a room packed with seven hundred and five
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Speaker 3: fifty people, all back in Deeming, there to do whatever
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Speaker 3: they could to bring an end to the Allen Labor government.
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Speaker 3: I mean, who gets seven hundred and fifty people at
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Speaker 3: any political event these days? But that's the sort of
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Speaker 3: grassroots support that Deeming has because she is not a
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Speaker 3: blowing because she grew up on Struggle Street and the
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Speaker 3: people of Western Melbourne and not just votes for her
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Speaker 3: to harvest, but they are her friends and her neighbors,
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Speaker 3: so with someone who wants to see the worst government
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Speaker 3: in Victoria's history thrown out in November, imagine my surprise
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Speaker 3: to see this warrior for the West thrown out by
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Speaker 3: her own party at a pre selection contest yesterday. And
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Speaker 3: that was an evidence enough of rank stupidity. Today that
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Speaker 3: same liberal brains trust compounded malice within competence as serious
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Speaker 3: questions of judgment arose around the candidate, they picked one
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Speaker 3: Denesh Gurasetti, who has reportedly Resi as the chosen candidate
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Speaker 3: after The Australian revealed he had given a glowing character
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Speaker 3: reference for a convicted pedophile. How that was not picked
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Speaker 3: up in the party's wedding process, staggers me? Or was
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Speaker 3: it known to some? And lets slide? These are some
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Speaker 3: of the serious questions that the party president Phil Davis
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Speaker 3: must now come clean and answer in full. Already One
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Speaker 3: Nation have said that they'd be happy to have this
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Speaker 3: courageous fighter for women's rights and the working class battler
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Speaker 3: in Deeming on their team, and they'd be mad not
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Speaker 3: to try and sign her up, given she's the sort
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Speaker 3: of anti woke warrior that typifies One Nation.
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Speaker 2: And who can blame Deeming? After all?
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Speaker 3: She's been through if she defected to a party then
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Speaker 3: actually wants her to recap. Deeming, a former school teacher
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Speaker 3: local government counselor, was backed by the Lips so called Moderate.
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Speaker 2: Faction the Victorian Upper House.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it was the Moderates who put her into Parliament,
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Speaker 3: and just months after she was elected, she helped organize
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Speaker 3: that rally for women's rights on the steps of the
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Speaker 3: Victorian Parliament that was later gate crashed by neo Nazis.
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Speaker 3: Spooked by then Premier Daniel Andrews, the Liberal leader at
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Speaker 3: the time, John Perzuto, accused Deeming of associating with Neo
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Speaker 3: Nazis and he had her thrown out of the Liberal
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Speaker 3: Party room. Now Deeming tried and tried to get an
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Speaker 3: apology from Perzuto, but he dug in harder and harder.
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Speaker 3: He couldn't throw her out of the Liberal Party because
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Speaker 3: the rank and file would never have supported that, but
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Speaker 3: she was left on the outer in the parliamentary ranks
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Speaker 3: and her reputation was in tatters.
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Speaker 2: So eventually Deeming sued.
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Speaker 3: Perzuto for defamation and she won big and after criticism
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Speaker 3: from the court, he lost the leadership and Deeming was
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Speaker 3: then brought back and promoted by the new leader, Brad Batten.
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Speaker 3: Now that should have been the end of the matter,
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Speaker 3: but showing its unique genius for self harm, far from
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Speaker 3: giving Deeming the full apology she was owed, the Victorian
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party organization bank rolled her tormentor, using party funds
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Speaker 3: to pay per Zudo's million dollar legal expenses. A bizarre
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Speaker 3: move for a political party, and a move that's now
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Speaker 3: subject to its own legal challenge in the Victorian Supreme Court.
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Speaker 3: So now to the events of the past twenty four hours.
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Speaker 3: At yesterday's Upper House pre selection contest, Deeming lost her
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Speaker 3: bid for the top spot on the Liberal Party ticket
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Speaker 3: to Denesh Gurasetti, a local businessman who's pulled out of
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Speaker 3: an earlier pre selection race after his catering business was
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Speaker 3: closed down for sanitary reasons and he copped a twenty
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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars fine as a result. Yesterday, with an
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Speaker 3: army of supporters by his side, Gurasetti won thirty seven
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Speaker 3: votes to Demons twenty nine, and yet by lunchtime today,
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Speaker 3: as I reported, as I said, The Australian was reporting
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Speaker 3: that Gurusetti was out because of his glowing character reference
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Speaker 3: for a convicted pedophile, a claim that late this afternoon,
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Speaker 3: the ABC is disputing. They're saying that he has not
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Speaker 3: withdrawn because Gurusetti has not confirmed it. Now, you cannot
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Speaker 3: make this stuff up. Just when you think it can't
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Speaker 3: get any worse for the Victorian Liberals, they have a
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Speaker 3: special talent of digging deeper and tonight. Even though as
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Speaker 3: I said, reportedly, Garisetti is out, Deeming remains in limbo
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Speaker 3: because she did not run for the second spot after
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Speaker 3: she was beaten. So what happens next It is unclear.
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Speaker 3: I've got a range of people quoting different outcomes to
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Speaker 3: me based on differing interpretations of the party's constitution. It
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Speaker 3: could be that the party will just give the top
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Speaker 3: spot on the ticket to the second run candidate. That's unlikely,
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Speaker 3: or it will now seek to formally Disindorscurasetti if he
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Speaker 3: won't withdraw, and reopen the whole preselection again. Now if
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Speaker 3: they did that, if it was reopened, let me tell
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Speaker 3: you there are no guarantees that Deemon would run after
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Speaker 3: the bile she copped yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Why would she bile?
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Speaker 3: Like this post from a bloke called Heath Wilson, a
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party member, I'm told involved with something called Liberal
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Speaker 3: pride that proclaims the bitc H lost were still with
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Speaker 3: something from a former Liberal MP Pozuto's chief of Sta
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Speaker 3: Fluy Staley, stuff that I cannot even put to air. Honestly,
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Speaker 3: this mess exemplifies everything that is wrong with a Victorian
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party. Not nearly enough members well under ten thousand
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Speaker 3: in a state of seven million people, tortuous internal processes
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Speaker 3: we have to go to meeting after meeting to actually
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Speaker 3: get a vote on anything, and on occasions, total failure
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Speaker 3: to adhere to its own rules. I mean, every candidate
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Speaker 3: is supposedly now subject to rigorous vetting. So how does
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Speaker 3: Gurusetti give a glowing reference to a convicted child sex
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Speaker 3: offender and pass any test? Just who did his vetting
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Speaker 3: and did anyone know about this character reference and turn
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Speaker 3: a blind eye, Because if they did, and there are
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Speaker 3: serious allegations put to me that they did know about
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Speaker 3: this character reference, then that official or officials must resign.
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Speaker 3: Now let me be blunt here tonight. The Victorian Liberal
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Speaker 3: Party should be taken over immediately by the FEDS if
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Speaker 3: the opposition is to have any chance of winning the
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Speaker 3: November election. The Victorian Party is in even worse shape
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Speaker 3: than the New South Wales Liberals, and they're only now
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Speaker 3: just emerging from federal intervention tonight, and I can exclusively
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Speaker 3: reveal to you this letter that's circulating among senior party
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Speaker 3: officials calling for the resignation of the party President Phil
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Speaker 3: Davis and all four incumbent party vice presidents. Now, I
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Speaker 3: was critical of Barnaby Joyce when he jumped ship from
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Speaker 3: the Federal National Party to One Nation after his colleagues
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Speaker 3: wouldn't put him back on the front bench. But should
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Speaker 3: Deming decide to join One Nation, I'm sorry, but I
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Speaker 3: would find it hard to be critical. Laura Deeming hasn't
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Speaker 3: abandoned the party that put her into parliament. Indeed, for
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Speaker 3: three and a bit years she has tried desperately to stay.
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Speaker 3: It's the party that's left her. And so I'd say
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Speaker 3: to the clowns that run the Liberal Party in Victoria,
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Speaker 3: wake up, grow up. Victoria is on its knees and
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Speaker 3: we deserve so much better than this. How the heck
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Speaker 3: Jess Wilson gets out of bed to fight labor every day,
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Speaker 3: I do not understand that's got a campin Now for
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Speaker 3: the headline, Sky is Political reporter treating Macintosh.
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Speaker 5: After an emergency national Cabinet, the Prime Minister agreed to
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Speaker 5: have the fuel excise for the next three months. Starting
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Speaker 5: this Wednesday, the Kite will shave twenty six cents a
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Speaker 5: liter of prices.
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Speaker 6: We're making fuel cheaper today because we understand that Australians
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Speaker 6: are under serious pressure.
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Speaker 7: Why is the.
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Speaker 4: Prime minister always the last to lead international crisis.
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Speaker 5: States agreed to a four stage fuel security plan. The
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Speaker 5: nation is currently at Level two. Motorists told to only
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Speaker 5: buy the fuel they need. Level three would involve voluntary
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Speaker 5: measures that have not been outlined to limit few.
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Speaker 7: Stage three is about when supply is disrupted, and at
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Speaker 7: this point there's been no disruption to international supply.
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Speaker 5: Ahead of Easter. The message to motorists.
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Speaker 6: People should enjoy their Easter and it's important as well
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Speaker 6: that we keep the economy going.
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Speaker 5: And an internal brawl has broken out within Liberal ranks
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Speaker 5: over tax policy. Opposition leader Angus Taylor slapped down Andrew
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Speaker 5: Hasty's calls for the party to be open minded on
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Speaker 5: new taxes, including for housing and gas.
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Speaker 8: I'm open minded because the Liberal Party is not the
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Speaker 8: first line of defense for corporate Australia, and you.
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Speaker 4: Don't get more of those things by raising taxes on
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Speaker 4: So it's pretty straightforward for me.
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Speaker 5: Trudy Macintosh Sky News Camera.
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Speaker 3: All right, busy day in camera. Johnny moan Ow Sky's
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Speaker 3: political contributor Chris Juelman, Chris, congratulations on your special last
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Speaker 3: night here on Sky about energy, and of course it
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Speaker 3: rolled in beautifully to National Cabinet today. This is the
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Speaker 3: second of the National Cabinet said had on fuel and
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Speaker 3: they came out of the meeting today with a decision
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Speaker 3: to have the fuel excise at fuel tax for three months,
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Speaker 3: as well as the heavy vehicle road user charge will
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Speaker 3: be cut to zero for three months. I'd say it's
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Speaker 3: driven by the bad poll for the Prime minister today.
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Speaker 2: But what do you make of this.
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Speaker 9: Well, Peter, the government's trying to work on both sides
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Speaker 9: of the equation. It's trying to look at what can
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Speaker 9: do about price, which is really in the long run
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Speaker 9: not very much. What's happening at the moment is demand
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Speaker 9: is driving that price higher. I filled up today. I
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Speaker 9: just topped up. I should say I filled up the
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Speaker 9: first day I saw a missile fly because it was
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Speaker 9: obvious this is going to happen, and it was two
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Speaker 9: dollars and fifty seven cents, so you know that comes
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Speaker 9: down by twenty six cents. That's welcome, but it really
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Speaker 9: won't make an enormous amount of difference. The heavy vehicle
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Speaker 9: radioses charge, I think is a good thing because the
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Speaker 9: real issue here is going to be diesel in the
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Speaker 9: long run. I mean, motorists want cheaper petrol, but what
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Speaker 9: we need is cheaper petrol for our truck fleet, and
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Speaker 9: diesel is still going north at a much greater rate
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Speaker 9: than petrol is at the moment. The other thing, too,
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Speaker 9: is it's waiting with the Export Finance Corporation to try
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Speaker 9: and assume some of the risk for cargoes that are
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Speaker 9: coming to Australia from different places.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting.
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Speaker 9: There are thirty five ships afloat at the moment I
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Speaker 9: can tell you that are on their way to Australia.
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Speaker 9: The really interesting part of that is that some of
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Speaker 9: them are coming from very different sources. Some of them
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Speaker 9: have left the Gulf Coast, which is around about where
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Speaker 9: Texas is come through the Panama Canal and now making
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Speaker 9: their way to Australia. There are four ships coming that way.
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Speaker 9: There are two ships coming from Washington state. So what
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Speaker 9: we're seeing is the big majors are now trying to
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Speaker 9: source supply from elsewhere. It won't come cheap, which is
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Speaker 9: why that Export Finance Corporation idea will be tapped.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump did that only two weeks ago, though, I mean,
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Speaker 3: these guys are late to the party.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Look, the government is working from a position where you
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Speaker 9: would not wish to start. It's like that old joke,
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Speaker 9: how do you get to Dublin? Well, I wouldn't start
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Speaker 9: from here. And this is the product of multiple governments
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Speaker 9: over multiple years. You know, last night played a story
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Speaker 9: from twenty seventeen that I did about precisely this problem.
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Speaker 9: But you know, the NMA started talking about in two
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Speaker 9: thousand and eight. There was another report in twenty twelve,
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Speaker 9: as you know, Jim Moulin's been talking about it. So
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Speaker 9: multiple governments over multiple years have brought us to this place.
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Speaker 9: And Peter, this is not the worst case scenario. You know,
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Speaker 9: we can if these supply lines hold as we hope
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Speaker 9: they do, and the war is resolved in the next
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Speaker 9: few months and those straits reopen, well that's good. But
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Speaker 9: we're getting a hell of a wake up call. Imagine
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Speaker 9: what would happen if China ever moved on Taiwan, and
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Speaker 9: that is our worst case scenario, and we should be
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Speaker 9: preparing for that day. And hopefully we don't learn all
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Speaker 9: of the wrong lessons. But if the government's going to
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Speaker 9: wander around saying the electric cars are the answer, then
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Speaker 9: they're learning all the wrong lessons.
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Speaker 3: I have to say, though, Chris, we had the wake
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Speaker 3: up call during the pandemic. You know, four years ago
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Speaker 3: we said we'll never ever get ourselves in to such
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Speaker 3: a manufacturing vulnerable situation that would have sovereignty first. In
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Speaker 3: a lot of these big areas like energy, like fuel,
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Speaker 3: like in the case of our farmer's fertilizer urea, none
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Speaker 3: of that's happened. And I want to make this point
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Speaker 3: for people at home. Urea has gone from eight hundred
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Speaker 3: dollars a ton to thirteen hundred dollars a ton. So
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Speaker 3: even if the fuel shortage was fixed over nine you're
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Speaker 3: going to have that run through your supply chain when
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Speaker 3: all the stuff that goes into the paddock with that
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Speaker 3: urea gets harvested in three four five months time. And
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Speaker 3: you know, I still make this point. The government's playing
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Speaker 3: the politics here.
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Speaker 2: I think fuel.
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Speaker 3: Rationings on its way. They just don't want to talk
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Speaker 3: about it this side of Easter. They'll wait for everyone
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Speaker 3: to try and get a break. They'll hopefully you boost
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Speaker 3: to resume and other things if people have to drive
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Speaker 3: too far, and then they'll bring this in on the
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Speaker 3: other side of easter.
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Speaker 2: Chris Well, you make.
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Speaker 9: A really really good point about fertilizer and can I
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Speaker 9: say that's locked in now? So lived almost half almost
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Speaker 9: half of the world's supplies of fertilize, and people don't
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Speaker 9: know how this stuff's made. It's made in the process
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Speaker 9: using natural gas. There is no other way to make
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Speaker 9: it if it wasn't for a synthetic fertilizer. Half of
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Speaker 9: the world's population with staff now half of the supply
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Speaker 9: has been disrupted. That means that the winter crops aren't
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Speaker 9: being sown in Australia and the spring crops aren't being
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Speaker 9: sown or not as much as being sown in the
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Speaker 9: northern hemisphere. That means that's locked in, so we will
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Speaker 9: have lower crop yields. So there'll be a very long
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Speaker 9: tail on this, and people again don't understand it. You know,
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Speaker 9: a lot of the supply of things like helium comes
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Speaker 9: out of the Persian Gulf. That's essential in MRI machines.
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Speaker 9: That sulfur comes out of the Persian Gulf. All of
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Speaker 9: the stuff that us that we use to make medicines
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Speaker 9: because they're basically petrochemicals. Panadole is a petrochemical. Well, if
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Speaker 9: you don't get the oil, you can't make the medicines.
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Speaker 9: That's another issue. So you know, we're getting a lesson
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Speaker 9: in how the world really works and what fuels it
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Speaker 9: runs on, and what we need in Australia because we
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Speaker 9: are an island, is to get more gas, more coal,
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Speaker 9: more and more refining because for the next several decades
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Speaker 9: those processes are not going to change.
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Speaker 3: And the reality is we're not crying at the moon.
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Speaker 3: We're not wishing that we had these resources that other
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Speaker 3: countries have. We have got them in abundance. We are
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Speaker 3: just two gutless and two wrapped up in the green
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Speaker 3: sort of religion to get them out of the ground.
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Speaker 3: A point that David Chris O Fooley finally is showing
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Speaker 3: some leadership on have a listen.
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Speaker 5: I want to see a return to a time in
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Speaker 5: this nation was prepared to drill and refine and store fuel.
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's one lone voice there at the moment, Chris,
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Speaker 3: But do you think we might get some momentum on this.
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Speaker 9: Finally, well, it's important that there is a state government
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Speaker 9: now saying that. So that is a change from what
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Speaker 9: we've seen in the past, and that's the tarum Troughy.
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Speaker 1: Is talking about.
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Speaker 9: But there's probably gas in the Great Australian Invite. There's
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Speaker 9: certainly some in Western Australia. So we should be looking
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Speaker 9: for it, and then we should be trying to tap it,
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Speaker 9: and we should trying to do that as rapidly as
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Speaker 9: we possibly can. And when you think about this, pet,
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Speaker 9: I'll just give you one little example of how the
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Speaker 9: world works and how it's broken. When I told you
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Speaker 9: about those fuel supplies coming from America, there are none
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Speaker 9: coming from California. That's because they've done exactly the same
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Speaker 9: thing that we've done. They've got two refineries left. There
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Speaker 9: is no pipeline. The US is oil rich. There is
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Speaker 9: no pipeline from the oil rich fields of Canada and
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Speaker 9: Texas into California. So what will be happening is because
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Speaker 9: of the attitude that California takes, which is the same
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Speaker 9: as Australia, that they didn't really want the dirty oil
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Speaker 9: processing there is. They'll be competing on the Asian market
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Speaker 9: against Australia for that fuel.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the news, Paula. I want to get
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Speaker 3: your take on this before we move on today. Labor's
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Speaker 3: primary went down thirty one percent at the election. Now
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Speaker 3: I thirty four point six, and of course it's high
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Speaker 3: as thirty six heading into Christmas. The PM's approval that's
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Speaker 3: also been tracking down. It's not good him either. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I think this is partly the crisis, but I also
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Speaker 3: think Chris, it's the broader perspective Australians that've had a
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Speaker 3: good look at this bloke. They saw him at Bondai,
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Speaker 3: they're seeing him again. They're seeing that he is someone
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Speaker 3: who's late to the party. He doesn't lead. He has
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Speaker 3: to be dragged, kicking and screaming to the table to
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Speaker 3: do anything.
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Speaker 2: As a result. This is what's in.
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Speaker 3: The POLLI not just the fact that the Bowser price
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Speaker 3: is high.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, of course, and I think that there is certainly
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Speaker 9: something to be said for that. But he'd be laughing
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Speaker 9: all the way to the bank because he watched the
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Speaker 9: Liberal Party performance in Victoria, which is so eloquently talked
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Speaker 9: about at the top of this show. I mean, how
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Speaker 9: many more proof points did the Liberal Party need to
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Speaker 9: provide to people that they are neither competent or have
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Speaker 9: any conviction? And you and I were the same event
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Speaker 9: over the course of the weekend, those two words rang
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Speaker 9: loudly about the fact that that is why, because the
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Speaker 9: Liberal Party is seen as not having neither competence or conviction,
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Speaker 9: that there is now a complete turn on the party
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Speaker 9: and people have made they've crossed the ribical They are
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Speaker 9: now going and looking elsewhere, and I think it's going
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Speaker 9: to be extremely difficult for the Liberal Party to drag
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Speaker 9: them back into their camp. This now is we're seeing
20:17
Speaker 9: a change of era at the moment. We've had eighty
20:20
Speaker 9: years where it was the two party preferred system. What
20:23
Speaker 9: we're seeing at the moment is the biggest change to
20:25
Speaker 9: politics since the DLP spit from the ALP.
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Speaker 3: I fear you are speaking truth there, Chris Yelman.
20:33
Speaker 2: Thank you.
20:34
Speaker 3: We'll come back to that issue right now with my
20:37
Speaker 3: next guest. Because if you thought it couldn't get worse
20:39
Speaker 3: for the Liberals, take a seat, because it just keeps
20:44
Speaker 3: rolling on as a catastrophe less than twenty four hours
20:47
Speaker 3: after Moira Deeming was bounced by the party. She lost
20:50
Speaker 3: her pre selection. The man who ousked at her, as
20:53
Speaker 3: you heard me say before, Danish and Guru Sti, is
20:55
Speaker 3: under pressure tonight to withdraw his candidacy. He says he
20:58
Speaker 3: hasn't withdrawn. The party says he has.
21:01
Speaker 2: They'll have to win our formal.
21:03
Speaker 3: Motions to disindorse him after revelations that he provided a
21:07
Speaker 3: character reference for a convicted child sex offender. Here to
21:11
Speaker 3: discuss this with me, Victorian political editor for The Australian,
21:14
Speaker 3: Anthony Galloway. Let's just start with this with this reference
21:19
Speaker 3: given to the convicted pedophile. Denesh Grissetti says, basically, I
21:26
Speaker 3: gave a character reference for someone I know, I didn't
21:28
Speaker 3: appreciate or I didn't know that this was what he
21:31
Speaker 3: was convicted for. You now have that reference from the court, Anthony, What.
21:38
Speaker 2: Does that tell you?
21:39
Speaker 10: Yeah, the court released the character reference to us a
21:41
Speaker 10: short time ago. It clearly says that den Grissetti is
21:46
Speaker 10: saying in that character reference, I understand that he had
21:50
Speaker 10: to attend court for child grooming and sexual offenses, so
21:55
Speaker 10: he knew, Yes, he knew it. Mentions the two offenses twice,
21:59
Speaker 10: including child old grooming, and he says he believes this
22:02
Speaker 10: was a one off and is that an otherwise good
22:05
Speaker 10: character that had been a good friend of his for
22:07
Speaker 10: the last four years. So it does run completely counter
22:11
Speaker 10: to what mister grisset He tried to convey earlier today
22:15
Speaker 10: that oh he just you know, he just thought that
22:20
Speaker 10: he wasn't aware of the exact nature of the offense.
22:23
Speaker 10: Is the character reference clearly shows that he was aware
22:26
Speaker 10: of what he was convicted of, not charged at this stage.
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Speaker 2: He was already he was already convicted because this was
22:32
Speaker 2: for the sentence right.
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Speaker 10: The other development is Phil Davis, the state President, has
22:38
Speaker 10: just released a statement reiterating that mister grisset He has
22:43
Speaker 10: resigned and confirming that another pre selection will be run.
22:47
Speaker 10: This is this is going to cause this This will
22:49
Speaker 10: be criticized within the party.
22:51
Speaker 2: I spoke to a number.
22:52
Speaker 10: Of moderate MPs today. They just thought more deeming should
22:56
Speaker 10: now be endorsed and that the party shouldn't be dragged
22:59
Speaker 10: through another pre selection. But the state executive, led by
23:03
Speaker 10: Phil Davis, wants to do another one. So this is
23:06
Speaker 10: going to cause further blood ledding for the Victorian Liberals.
23:10
Speaker 3: And of course there's all these requirements when you have
23:12
Speaker 3: a pre selection, you're going to have the application process
23:15
Speaker 3: open for a period of time. You've got to then
23:18
Speaker 3: vet all the candidates. I don't think it's a given
23:20
Speaker 3: that more Redeeming would at all running this pre selection.
23:23
Speaker 10: She hasn't confirmed it yet. I've asked her today and
23:26
Speaker 10: she hasn't confirmed whether whether she will run in this
23:30
Speaker 10: pre selection, whether she wants to run as an independent
23:34
Speaker 10: or One Nation.
23:35
Speaker 3: Just on the character reference, people put it to me
23:37
Speaker 3: that that was known by people on the vetting committee.
23:41
Speaker 3: They put it to me that Dinesh Gurasti was quite
23:46
Speaker 3: frank he told the party about this reference.
23:50
Speaker 2: What are you hearing here?
23:51
Speaker 3: Because if they knew and still kept him in the field,
23:55
Speaker 3: then the party, in my view, is the party machine.
23:58
Speaker 3: The president and others or anyone involved needs to go.
24:01
Speaker 10: Phil Davis is staying in this statement that he just
24:03
Speaker 10: released that he only found out that the party only
24:05
Speaker 10: found out about it yesterday afternoon after he was pre selected.
24:10
Speaker 10: I think if there's any evidence that people knew on
24:14
Speaker 10: state executive or in the vetting committee, I think there
24:18
Speaker 10: will be calls for resignations. I mean, the other thing
24:21
Speaker 10: is candidates pay five thousand dollars nomination fee, which, as
24:26
Speaker 10: I understood it should be going towards veting. This could
24:29
Speaker 10: have been found out by a simple search on the
24:32
Speaker 10: ost Lee Sides public website of mister Grissetti's name and
24:36
Speaker 10: it would have come up that he's connected to this case.
24:39
Speaker 10: So what are the I mean, the Victorian levels have
24:41
Speaker 10: a lot of.
24:41
Speaker 2: Pressure Stan amateurs.
24:44
Speaker 3: I have also seen a copy of a letter that's
24:46
Speaker 3: been circulated caught to party officials to State council. This
24:51
Speaker 3: is party officials within the Liberal Party State Council members
24:54
Speaker 3: calling for the resignation of the president and all four
24:59
Speaker 3: party vice presidents. I think there are moves to completely
25:04
Speaker 3: upend Liberal Party headquarters.
25:07
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean this has been the issue for some times.
25:10
Speaker 10: State Council has been so divided between Phil Davis and
25:13
Speaker 10: his crew.
25:14
Speaker 2: And the others.
25:15
Speaker 10: The problem is he did win a he did win, Yeah,
25:19
Speaker 10: he just in September. So what is the mechanism for that?
25:24
Speaker 10: Probably a mechanism could be if there was any evidence
25:27
Speaker 10: that people actually knew about this. If that comes to light,
25:30
Speaker 10: then you know, maybe as you're calling for a federal takeover,
25:34
Speaker 10: would be on the cards if there was any evidence
25:36
Speaker 10: of that.
25:37
Speaker 3: And of course, while all of this is going on,
25:39
Speaker 3: you've got the case in the Victorian Supreme Court where
25:42
Speaker 3: members of his own party executive have taken him and
25:46
Speaker 3: the party to court over the one and a half
25:49
Speaker 3: million dollars of party funds that were given or loaned
25:53
Speaker 3: to former leader John Persudo.
25:56
Speaker 10: And the trial was supposed to take place last week
26:00
Speaker 10: and the thinking was it would all be over well
26:02
Speaker 10: and truly before November state election. That's been delayed now
26:06
Speaker 10: because the party is fighting. In part because the party
26:10
Speaker 10: is fighting in order to release the names of the
26:14
Speaker 10: Garran tours of mister Pisuro's loan.
26:18
Speaker 2: Which they want to keep secret.
26:19
Speaker 10: Yes, they want to keep secret. The plaintiffs have also
26:21
Speaker 10: asked for all kinds of new documents. So both parties
26:24
Speaker 10: agree they're not ready for a trial. So I've talked
26:27
Speaker 10: to people on both sides of this that just think
26:29
Speaker 10: if we can delay it till next year after the election,
26:32
Speaker 10: that's now the best option.
26:34
Speaker 3: I think after the weekend that has all been blown
26:37
Speaker 3: up and it is sky high. I think there's a
26:39
Speaker 3: lot of people now winning this exposed. You'll be a
26:42
Speaker 3: busy man for the next few days. Yes, we'll be
26:44
Speaker 3: as will I. Everyone is talking to me in cineme stuff,
26:47
Speaker 3: So you watch this space tomorrow night.
26:48
Speaker 2: I will be back with more.
26:50
Speaker 3: All right, after the break, we'll do a deep dive
26:52
Speaker 3: on the latest polls. One Nation continuing to gain ground
26:56
Speaker 3: and the voters are blaming the Prime Minister or Donald
26:59
Speaker 3: trum for the fuel crisis.
27:01
Speaker 2: I'll tell you which.
27:02
Speaker 3: After the break, welcome back. We'll get into the Iran wall.
27:10
Speaker 3: The latest day of the United States. We're getting a
27:12
Speaker 3: lot of talk about US Marines and the Airborne Division in.
27:16
Speaker 2: And around the area.
27:18
Speaker 3: Is that what a wind's going to look like? Their
27:21
Speaker 3: involvement is going to call it all over?
27:23
Speaker 2: We don't know.
27:23
Speaker 3: I'll talk to an expert coming up in a moment.
27:26
Speaker 3: But let's go to some polling along with news poll
27:29
Speaker 3: which I just went through with Chris Yilman. Redbridge has
27:32
Speaker 3: released their latest polling data in the Australian Financial Review
27:36
Speaker 3: and it's bad news here for the Coalition yet again,
27:38
Speaker 3: their primary vote hitting a new low of seventeen percent
27:42
Speaker 3: one Nation. Well, they've moved up one and that now
27:46
Speaker 3: only three points of Labour's primary which remained steady at
27:50
Speaker 3: thirty two percent.
27:51
Speaker 2: As you just saw it at Newspole.
27:52
Speaker 3: Labour's primary was down to thirty one, but it's still
27:55
Speaker 3: a bad primary for a government with a very very
27:58
Speaker 3: big majority in the Parliament. Joining me now, Redbridge Director
28:01
Speaker 3: the Posta Cos Samaris, Well, you've broken all of this down,
28:05
Speaker 3: you're tracking one nation. We can see that the trend
28:08
Speaker 3: is still there. You say, this isn't just new Peter,
28:12
Speaker 3: this goes all the way back to the GFC. Talk
28:15
Speaker 3: us through your arguments here.
28:18
Speaker 7: Yeah, basically, what we've seen in this country now since
28:21
Speaker 7: the GFC is a collapse of traditional working class jobs
28:25
Speaker 7: right across the regional Australia and in outer suburban I
28:30
Speaker 7: would say, particularly Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney and so on.
28:34
Speaker 7: And it's no coincidence it's in the same place as
28:37
Speaker 7: where we've see one nation now growing popularity because these
28:41
Speaker 7: communities have buffeted all the contraction you know, timber industry collapsing,
28:49
Speaker 7: automotive industry collapsing, all those small manufacturing hubs around the
28:54
Speaker 7: regional Australia. Since the GFC will either contracted or shut down,
29:01
Speaker 7: close to three quarters of million jobs are gone. And yeah,
29:04
Speaker 7: this is I think the consequences of all that.
29:09
Speaker 2: I think.
29:09
Speaker 3: I spoke to Dick Smith about this a number of
29:12
Speaker 3: years ago and it's always struck me his comments to say,
29:15
Speaker 3: automation will take out the bottom end of the labor market,
29:18
Speaker 3: and AI will take out the middle and will hit
29:20
Speaker 3: the middle class hard and there won't be anywhere for
29:23
Speaker 3: these people to go. There are no replacement jobs.
29:25
Speaker 2: He said.
29:26
Speaker 3: This is the industrial Revolution on steroids. And as a
29:32
Speaker 3: high wealth country like Australia with a high welfare standard,
29:37
Speaker 3: we can't just absorb all of these people in the budget.
29:40
Speaker 3: We can't absorb all these people headed off to welfare
29:43
Speaker 3: and never being productive.
29:44
Speaker 2: Again in their lives.
29:46
Speaker 3: This is also now impacting labor, and it's impacting labor
29:50
Speaker 3: in a big way, isn't it.
29:51
Speaker 7: You know, We've got a bit of a preview in
29:53
Speaker 7: South Australia with the state election in the state sit
29:55
Speaker 7: of Elizabeth where Holden used to be situated. It was
29:59
Speaker 7: a seat I was looking looking at on the night.
30:02
Speaker 7: It performed as I expected when Nation surged. Labor did
30:05
Speaker 7: not win on primary votes in a state where the
30:08
Speaker 7: labor brain's pretty strong. But naturally we're going to see
30:12
Speaker 7: this in a very profound way in the outer subjets
30:14
Speaker 7: of Melbourne, Sydney and regional hubs in corridors like the
30:19
Speaker 7: Hunter and Patterson and so on. Then again, these are
30:22
Speaker 7: areas which have experienced significant economic decline. And yes it
30:26
Speaker 7: won't be as profound as what the Coalition is coppying
30:29
Speaker 7: at the moment in polling, but it will still be
30:31
Speaker 7: there and it will hurt labor in certain spots.
30:34
Speaker 3: People cranking with the Prime Minister and he's had a
30:37
Speaker 3: real drop off at his popularity In part I stick
30:39
Speaker 3: at the top of the show. In part I think
30:41
Speaker 3: this is that they've had a good look at the bloke.
30:42
Speaker 3: Now when christ is hit we saw with Bondai, now
30:46
Speaker 3: with this fuel crisis, he doesn't lead. He waits to
30:50
Speaker 3: be dragged kicking and screaming to trying to deal with things,
30:53
Speaker 3: to put solutions on the table. He's sort of a follower,
30:57
Speaker 3: not the sort of bloke you want in charge in
30:59
Speaker 3: times of am I being tough on him? Am I
31:03
Speaker 3: being partnersan there?
31:04
Speaker 2: What do you think?
31:06
Speaker 7: Look, I think most of the strainers will still expect
31:09
Speaker 7: him to lead the country through this crisis. And really
31:13
Speaker 7: the report card they'll give the Prime minister and premiers
31:17
Speaker 7: will be at the end of the crisis. We see
31:20
Speaker 7: a bit of a preview of what that world can
31:22
Speaker 7: look like in Victoria with the pandemic. You know it,
31:25
Speaker 7: twenty twenty two was too early for that report card
31:27
Speaker 7: to land. That report card is not landing in Victoria
31:30
Speaker 7: and we can see with the polling numbers what that's
31:32
Speaker 7: doing to the Labor government and the Labor brand. A
31:35
Speaker 7: lot of people in politics, particularly in Victoria, think that
31:37
Speaker 7: what is going on in Victoria right now is about
31:39
Speaker 7: the debt and so on. Most of it is PTSD
31:42
Speaker 7: from the lockdowns, and I agree, so that gets checked
31:46
Speaker 7: in many years later. So people want to go, look,
31:50
Speaker 7: we're in a middle of a crisis. I'm going to
31:51
Speaker 7: wait for you adults to get us through this, and
31:54
Speaker 7: if you don't, I will hand out my report card.
31:58
Speaker 3: Just on the Victorian stuff though, I think one of
32:00
Speaker 3: the issues that the Liberal Party has and we'll get
32:02
Speaker 3: tomorrow and DEMI in a moment, that's just the latest catastrophe.
32:06
Speaker 3: They've got to get sixteen seats if they don't win
32:08
Speaker 3: this by election in Nepean, they've got to get seventeen
32:11
Speaker 3: seats sets. It's an eight percent or plus swing. That's
32:14
Speaker 3: a superhuman effort, even if all things were headed the
32:17
Speaker 3: right way. But they've got all this infining internally, and
32:20
Speaker 3: they've also got the issue with the rise of One Nation.
32:23
Speaker 2: There are lots of parts of.
32:24
Speaker 3: Melbourne where people, even if they hate the Labor Party,
32:28
Speaker 3: they do not identify with the Liberals. They see them
32:30
Speaker 3: as blue Blood's elites, out of touch, not their tribe.
32:34
Speaker 3: So they will vote somewhere else. They won't vote for Labor.
32:37
Speaker 3: And this is the opportunity for One Nation, and perversely,
32:41
Speaker 3: of course, that makes it so much harder to throw
32:44
Speaker 3: out Labor.
32:46
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. And look, I at the moment project
32:49
Speaker 7: that One Nation could win as many as twelve to
32:51
Speaker 7: fifteen seats in Victoria at the state election, and of
32:56
Speaker 7: those about thirty percent of them will be lost by
33:00
Speaker 7: Labor and the rest will come off the coalition. And
33:03
Speaker 7: also one Nation vote will damage the coalition in those
33:07
Speaker 7: middle class areas where Labour's vote doesn't get touched, but
33:10
Speaker 7: the Liberal vote collapses, but Labor will lose seats and
33:14
Speaker 7: will lose skin to One Nation. There's no doubt about that,
33:17
Speaker 7: particularly in Melbourne's West, where Liberal Party historically has always
33:21
Speaker 7: struggled to actually gain traction.
33:24
Speaker 3: I made the point you probably didn't hear made a
33:25
Speaker 3: toil but I was at an event in January and
33:28
Speaker 3: there were seven hundred and fifty people on a forty
33:31
Speaker 3: degree day in Sunshine in the heartland of Melbourne's West
33:34
Speaker 3: or there to support Marodimi. People have never been to
33:37
Speaker 3: a political event alone a Liberal Party one. The party
33:40
Speaker 3: then dumps her. One Nation had core Evenardi to sort
33:44
Speaker 3: of be their beachhead in South Australia. They don't yet
33:47
Speaker 3: have a big brand name for Victoria. There's every chance
33:51
Speaker 3: she'll walk. She could walk to One Nation. What sort
33:55
Speaker 3: of impacts.
33:55
Speaker 7: They're going to have fairly significant to the point you're
33:58
Speaker 7: making where there is that beachhead straight up And in
34:01
Speaker 7: terms of you know, if she makes that announcement, I
34:03
Speaker 7: would say that I know the Liberal Party has been
34:06
Speaker 7: saying they win two seats in Western Metropolitan and these
34:09
Speaker 7: are sort of up out seats, whether it's in Western
34:12
Speaker 7: Metropolitan Orvern Metropolitan and so on. At the moment, I
34:15
Speaker 7: would be confident in saying that the two majors, that
34:18
Speaker 7: is the Liberal Party and the Labor Party in Melbourne
34:23
Speaker 7: will pick one seat up each then it's a question
34:25
Speaker 7: on what happens to the rest and one nation should
34:28
Speaker 7: pick up at least one in all but one province.
34:32
Speaker 3: Wow, well it's all getting very interesting. I'll leave it there,
34:37
Speaker 3: thank you, cos after great President Trump and what has
34:41
Speaker 3: he said today about re Rejing change in Iran? And
34:45
Speaker 3: will we see boots on the ground. Peter Jennings come up?
34:54
Speaker 2: Welcome about coming up?
34:55
Speaker 3: Who is the Liberal impair that Malcolm Turbull has just
34:58
Speaker 3: endorsed as a future party leader? Really I reckon that
35:03
Speaker 3: would be the kiss of death. But now to the
35:06
Speaker 3: latest out of the Middle East, thousands of US troops
35:09
Speaker 3: arriving ahead of speculation there will be a ground assault.
35:13
Speaker 3: Donald Trump was speaking from Air Force One today maintaining
35:17
Speaker 3: that a deal is coming.
35:20
Speaker 9: I think we'll make a deal with them, I'm pretty sure.
35:23
Speaker 10: But we've had regime change.
35:27
Speaker 3: Here to discuss this and more. Sky News Australia Defense
35:29
Speaker 3: analyst Peter Jennings will talk me through all of the
35:34
Speaker 3: rumors and you know the little bit we're hearing from
35:38
Speaker 3: the President there. We saw it obviously on Air Force One.
35:40
Speaker 3: But the fact the reality of all of these troops
35:44
Speaker 3: are massing in the area what's going on?
35:46
Speaker 2: How do you read the play, Peter.
35:50
Speaker 8: So, the first thing I'd say is that there has
35:53
Speaker 8: been a kind of a regime change in a run,
35:55
Speaker 8: but I don't think it's the one President Trump means.
35:59
Speaker 8: What's happened is that the religious element of the Iranian
36:03
Speaker 8: political system, the Eyetolers, have been shouldered out of power
36:08
Speaker 8: by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, effectively the iron fist
36:12
Speaker 8: of the regime. They're the guys that are now calling
36:15
Speaker 8: the shots and they're the ones which are being most
36:17
Speaker 8: defiant in terms of setting out what they're going to
36:20
Speaker 8: continue to fight the United States with the troop build up, Peter,
36:26
Speaker 8: I think what we're seeing here is that there's a
36:28
Speaker 8: significant number of special forces and airborne troops and marine
36:33
Speaker 8: amphibious assault troops which are being brought into the region.
36:37
Speaker 8: And as best I can anticipate what's going to happen,
36:40
Speaker 8: I think they're going to be focused on looking at
36:42
Speaker 8: some islands which dot the northern end of the Strait
36:47
Speaker 8: of hor MoES, the part which comes closest to the
36:49
Speaker 8: Iranian coast, because really controlling those islands is going to
36:54
Speaker 8: be the central military way to stop drones and to
37:00
Speaker 8: stop fast attack speedboats from going out to disabled tankers
37:04
Speaker 8: as they go past. So if we see boots on
37:07
Speaker 8: the ground at all, I think it's going to be
37:09
Speaker 8: in that area of the Strait of Womos. It'll be
37:11
Speaker 8: relatively small numbers. It's not going to be on the
37:14
Speaker 8: Iranian mainland, and it's designed to achieve one essential American objective,
37:20
Speaker 8: which is that the straits remain clear, that they're not mine,
37:24
Speaker 8: that tankers are not sunk, and that crude oil can
37:27
Speaker 8: continue to flow through the strait.
37:31
Speaker 3: I take your point, and I know the islands we're
37:33
Speaker 3: talking about there, but why't they've already militarized them up
37:37
Speaker 3: to the tribals. I mean, aren't they going to have
37:39
Speaker 3: them so protected that it'll be difficult to put troops
37:42
Speaker 3: in that area.
37:46
Speaker 8: It'll be contested, there's no question about it. But we're
37:48
Speaker 8: talking about heavy forces here, and the islands are fairly remote.
37:53
Speaker 8: There's another feature about them which I think is interesting, Peter,
37:56
Speaker 8: and that is to say that the population in that
37:58
Speaker 8: area are an the Arab they're not Persian, and they're
38:03
Speaker 8: not particularly friends of the regime. So there are revolutionary
38:07
Speaker 8: guards force people there undoubtedly, and I'm sure they'll put
38:11
Speaker 8: up a fight, but as best I can think of
38:15
Speaker 8: the military tactics that would make sense, just landing a
38:19
Speaker 8: small force onto the mainland is really not going to
38:21
Speaker 8: achieve anything. And we're certainly not going to see American
38:24
Speaker 8: troops around Tehran, so you know, it's got to be
38:27
Speaker 8: limited to a more discrete set of objectives.
38:31
Speaker 3: All right, then, I want to ask you then, how
38:33
Speaker 3: this all plays out in relation to China, because you know,
38:37
Speaker 3: you and I were talking in recent days. We the
38:39
Speaker 3: West is spending vast amounts of munitions here in Iran,
38:43
Speaker 3: spending dispensing with patriots and other things which are worth
38:48
Speaker 3: millions of millions of dollars and take many months to
38:52
Speaker 3: build up against cheap drones which the Iranians are deploying
38:57
Speaker 3: very effectively. We run right down our munitions. China's looking
39:02
Speaker 3: at us. We're moving assets out of the Indo Pacific
39:04
Speaker 3: into the Middle East. Our focus is on the Middle East,
39:07
Speaker 3: and all a while, Taiwan could kick off and we've
39:12
Speaker 3: got a focus over here, when we'll need to swing
39:14
Speaker 3: it back here pretty fast.
39:17
Speaker 8: Yes, China will be watching this very very carefully, and
39:20
Speaker 8: the fact of the matter is over the last two years,
39:22
Speaker 8: the US, in its support of Israel and through its
39:25
Speaker 8: own military operations, has used up a huge number of
39:30
Speaker 8: missiles of the interceptors, which are designed to shoot down
39:33
Speaker 8: aircraft and missiles and drones, and continue to do so
39:37
Speaker 8: at a rate which far exceeds the current ability of
39:40
Speaker 8: the American of American industry to produce them. So China
39:44
Speaker 8: is now potentially looking at a window of opportunity Peter,
39:48
Speaker 8: which is to say that they could stage a military
39:52
Speaker 8: assault on Taiwan or a blockade of Taiwan, create pressure
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Speaker 8: around Taiwan where the US is simply not going to
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Speaker 8: in a position quickly to respond with overwhelming military force.
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Speaker 8: And I think this is very quickly going to have
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Speaker 8: to translate into the Americans thinking about their presence in
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Speaker 8: the Pacific, what they're doing around Taiwan and the straits
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Speaker 8: between Taiwan and the mainland of China, because that's critical.
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Speaker 8: If people think this conflict with Iranus bad, by golly,
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Speaker 8: they should see what a war with China is going
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Speaker 8: to look like. And Cjmping will be very alive to
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Speaker 8: the potential of what he may be able to do
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Speaker 8: later this year or in twenty twenty seven, which is
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Speaker 8: always the target year He's given his military to say
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Speaker 8: you're ready for war.
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Speaker 3: As Chris Jovian said, if feels expensive, now do we
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Speaker 3: go to war with China. I'll leave it there, Peter Jennings,
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Speaker 3: thank you, all right?
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Speaker 2: After the break.
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Speaker 3: Who's the Liberal that's Malcolm Turnbull's pick for leader? I
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Speaker 3: bet he doesn't want to be Malcolm's peak budd he is.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you who that is after break. All right,
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Speaker 3: welcome back. Joining me now, Nick Catera from the Messis
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Speaker 3: Research Center and the chief executive of the Page Research Center.
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Speaker 3: To right, we think tanks, both of them, Jared Holland
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Speaker 3: joining me. Gentlemen, I'll start with you, Nick Kata. You've
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Speaker 3: been in and around a liberal party for a long time.
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Speaker 3: The Victorian Liberals, do you reckon they've got a death.
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Speaker 2: Wish or not.
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Speaker 1: I am absolutely dismayed by this long running saga, Peter,
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Speaker 1: and their ability to add one more bizarre chapter it
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Speaker 1: after a chapter to it after another. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: like you, I follow politics and I joined the Liberal
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Speaker 1: Party because I want to see a liberal government. I
41:43
Speaker 1: want to see a conservative government. I want to see
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Speaker 1: an end to the terrible government.
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Speaker 2: We've got.
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Speaker 1: Everything else that goes on is a purer distraction. I
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Speaker 1: can't believe the ill discipline in the Victorian Liberal Party.
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Speaker 1: I share your view that the best thing now would
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Speaker 1: probably be a federal intervention, which they can do. They
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Speaker 1: did it in New South Wales. It's stabilized things in
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Speaker 1: the New South Wales Party. That's desperately what they need,
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Speaker 1: and they need it very quickly, because there is Last
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Speaker 1: time I checked on an election coming up which the
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Speaker 1: Liberal Party must win, we must say Victoria from this
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Speaker 1: Labor government.
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Speaker 2: I will make the point too.
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Speaker 3: I'm not at all critical of the State director or
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Speaker 3: a lot of the senior staff. Many of them they
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Speaker 3: work really hard and they're trying to write a ship
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Speaker 3: that's listing all the time. It's the people on the admin.
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Speaker 3: It's the party president who I have no time for.
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Speaker 3: I think they have been absolutely derelict in their duty
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Speaker 3: and this is why I clean out and I think,
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Speaker 3: you know, federal intervention is absolutely necessary. But Jared, I've
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Speaker 3: got to ask you. I mean, they're fighting on two
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Speaker 3: flanks in Victoria. They're trying to beat the Labor Party.
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Speaker 3: They're also trying to beat one nation. But all they're
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Speaker 3: doing internally is blowing each other up.
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Speaker 11: The problem. We are still talking about internal factional divisions
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Speaker 11: within the center right in Australia and not talking about
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Speaker 11: what we need to do to actually save this country.
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Speaker 11: We have existential threats coming at us. We're going through
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Speaker 11: a fuel crisis at the moment. We still have an
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Speaker 11: ongoing energy crisis. We're not talking about our energy grid
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Speaker 11: because of the liquid fuel security.
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Speaker 2: Let me just jump in.
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Speaker 3: There as research that just shows how exposed we are here.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, and Australians are feeling so much pain at
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Speaker 11: the moment. But it won't be too much comfort to
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Speaker 11: your viewers that this is just a warning and actually
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Speaker 11: there is far worse that we should be prepared for.
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Speaker 11: And we released today a report that's been over a
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Speaker 11: year of work to get to this point, looking at
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Speaker 11: what a great power conflict in our region would look
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Speaker 11: like and what that would mean for our liquid fuel security. Now,
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Speaker 11: we import over ninety percent of our liquid fuels and
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Speaker 11: then all of the downstream products from that. We used
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Speaker 11: to make a lot of this at home, we don't anymore.
43:55
Speaker 11: And so really this paper looked at what would it
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Speaker 11: take to give us fuel security and get get Australia
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Speaker 11: running again, and that means we need diesel now. To
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Speaker 11: produce diesel, we need crude. We can make our own
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Speaker 11: synthetic crude here with either cult liquids, gas to liquids,
44:09
Speaker 11: or biofuels. Cult liquids is overwhelmingly the cheapest and most
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Speaker 11: scalable option, and we could refine it here and even
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Speaker 11: become a net exporter if we were to invest in
44:18
Speaker 11: a hydro cracking capability, which means we could make our
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Speaker 11: own diesel here in Australia, and in a crisis like this,
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Speaker 11: not only would we have security, we could be the
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Speaker 11: ones exporting our liquid fuels, providing security to our partners
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Speaker 11: in our region.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the teaser I was giving their nicator
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Speaker 3: before about Malcolm Turnbulls pick to lead the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: It might surprise people at home he's picked to lead
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Speaker 3: the Liberal Party is Andrew Hasty. He's been out there
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Speaker 3: very supportive if Hasty. It turns out, according to the
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Speaker 3: Austraan and Financial Review, that Hasty and Turbile are good mates.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that i'd want that out there publicly known.
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Speaker 3: If I was Andrew Hasty, would you.
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Speaker 1: No look I mean, Andrew host us a good chap
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Speaker 1: and he likes to get on with people like we
45:03
Speaker 1: all do. I mean, but I think I think these
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Speaker 1: if he should definitely avoid taking any advice from Malcolm
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Speaker 1: Turnbull because when Malcolm Turbull became leader, that is the
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Speaker 1: point at which the party's primary vote started to decline
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Speaker 1: and decline drastically. So I think self evidently whatever Malcolm
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Speaker 1: turnbulls was saying at the time was not a sensible
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Speaker 1: way forward for the Liberal Party. I'd like to see
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Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty take some advice from some shall we say,
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Speaker 1: more accomplished prime ministers like John Howard and Tony Abbott
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Speaker 1: who'd be happy to offer advice. And also I think
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Speaker 1: i'd like to see Andrew Hasty take economics a little
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Speaker 1: bit more seriously. I think he made some comments yesterday
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Speaker 1: on taxation which I think for many of us were
45:54
Speaker 1: probably not correct in terms of where the the way
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Speaker 1: we should be governing. Angus Tyler was absolutely right today
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Speaker 1: say if you tax something, then you have less of it,
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Speaker 1: So tax is never a good idea.
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Speaker 3: Jared, I've got to ask you about free public transport
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Speaker 3: as a response to the fuel crisis. Victoria announced yesterday
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Speaker 3: that's going to be free for a number of months.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't hurt that they've got election in November. I think
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Speaker 3: that's what's really driving it. New South Wales ruled it out.
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Speaker 3: All of this hits the budget. All of this has
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Speaker 3: got to be paid for. We're drowning in debt in
46:31
Speaker 3: Victoria and in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of it?
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Speaker 11: Well, look, it will be expensive, but actually I'm not
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Speaker 11: opposed to these kind of measures. We are already rationing
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Speaker 11: at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 11: It's not that the government is intervening. It is the
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Speaker 11: market that recognizes that there isn't enough fuel that is
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Speaker 11: coming in now. A lot of the fuel that has
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Speaker 11: been coming in it takes about a month six weeks
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Speaker 11: on the sea. So that crunch from getting that crude
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Speaker 11: into the refineries in Asia that we rely on that
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Speaker 11: hasn't really hit us yet. Lot of our Southeast Asian partners,
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Speaker 11: they are already rationing their fuel. If there is a
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Speaker 11: way to incentivize people to use less of it, I
47:08
Speaker 11: actually think that would be quite prudent, and these measures
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Speaker 11: are worth looking at. We don't want to wait until
47:13
Speaker 11: it gets too late and then have to really pull
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Speaker 11: on the handbrake and force some more serious interventions down
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Speaker 11: the track.
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Speaker 3: Nick, I've got to pick up something that I found
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Speaker 3: very troubling. Two cases around the world in relation to
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Speaker 3: euthanasia where it's moved well and beyond assisting someone in
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Speaker 3: the latter stages of terminal illness to die with dignity.
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Speaker 2: That's how it was sold.
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Speaker 3: We've got the case in Canada where a woman came
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Speaker 3: to the doctors with a saw back.
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Speaker 2: She's in a radius.
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Speaker 3: She was basically pushed into euthanasia. She said, I want
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Speaker 3: a bar of it. She's since recovered and she's traveled
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Speaker 3: the world. She's doing well. They were pushing it down
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Speaker 3: the euthanasia path. And we've got the terrible case in
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Speaker 3: Spain where a young girl was brutally gang rate and
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Speaker 3: she chose to die with assisted suicide rather than keep living.
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Speaker 3: To those events, I feel like we're moving into a
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Speaker 3: very dark place here.
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Speaker 1: We are, Peter, and I should start by saying I've
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Speaker 1: tremendous sympathy for people that's suffering, you know, terrible illnesses
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Speaker 1: that cause them great pain and terminal illnesses, and indeed
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Speaker 1: for this girl in Spain. But the problem with euthanasia
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Speaker 1: is once you crossed that line, once you've said it's
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Speaker 1: okay for people to decide when they will die instead
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Speaker 1: of leaving that in the hands of God. I think
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Speaker 1: you cross that line and then you go on a
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Speaker 1: slippery slope. And that's exactly what has been happening around
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Speaker 1: the world. The definition of what is legal in terms
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Speaker 1: of assisted suicide gets broader and broader and broader. I
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Speaker 1: think it was a mistake to for the Lord to
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Speaker 1: intervene in the first place on this. It should always
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Speaker 1: been illegal. But you know, I despair.
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Speaker 2: Got to leave it there, Dick, But leave it there.
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Speaker 3: We'll come back to that in more depth at another time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you to you both. Right, that's it for me.
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Speaker 3: You'll see me here tomorrow night up next to Andrew.