Latest / Virtuous Leaders with Dr. Johann D'Souza / Ep.80 – Liz Lantigua: How Parents Can Save Kids from Corrupt Books | Virtue Ethics | Classical Education | Family Conservatives | Legacy Building
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- 0:00Then I realized that the books throughout the years were
- 0:02getting edgier. There was foul language, graphic
- 0:05violence, sexual content, topics of the occult, and the worst
- 0:10part was that the books were deceiving.
- 0:12So as a mom volunteer at my kids school, I couldn't just take the
- 0:16books out because I didn't know which one it was, which ones
- 0:19were bad or good, because the covers of many of them were very
- 0:21wholesome, very cute, and the description was completely
- 0:25different. I was later found in that book
- 0:27that a parent would come to the school and say, Oh my gosh, look
- 0:30what my kid is reading. This is Virtuous Leaders, the
- 0:33podcast for based Catholics who will speak truth, do good or die
- 0:36trying. Here's the show.
- 0:44Ladies welcome. Thank you so much.
- 0:47Thank you so much for having me here today.
- 0:49Can you start by telling us a little bit about what you do?
- 0:53Yes, I'm the founder of Literacy Advocates USA and what we do is
- 0:59we instill the joy of reading in students and provide them with
- 1:04good clean reads and also good media.
- 1:10And we do this with a good news book fair school hosted book
- 1:13fairs And this, you know, the way this all started was because
- 1:19my background is in journalism. And when when my oldest daughter
- 1:23was born, I took some time off, you know, to be with her school
- 1:27life. And that time off took it
- 1:29happened to be, it was supposed to be for a little bit, but it
- 1:32turned out to be a lot of here because I had more kids and I
- 1:35wanted to stay with them, you know, and interact with their
- 1:37school life. And as I interacted with their
- 1:40school life, I participated in the book fairs because of my
- 1:43backgrounds, you know, and I was I'm also traditionally published
- 1:46author. I said, oh, I will volunteer for
- 1:48the book fairs in their school. And then I realized that the
- 1:51books throughout the years were getting edgier.
- 1:54There was foul language, graphic violence, sexual contents,
- 1:58topics of the occult, and the worst part was that the books
- 2:02were deceiving. So as a mom volunteer at my kids
- 2:06school, I couldn't just take the books out because I didn't know
- 2:09which one it was, which ones were bad or good, because the
- 2:11covers of many of them were very wholesome, very cute, and the
- 2:15description was completely different.
- 2:17I was later found in that book that a parent would come to the
- 2:20school and say, Oh my gosh, look what my kid is reading.
- 2:23So I never thought of starting this organization.
- 2:28I wanted an alternative for my children's school.
- 2:31So at that time, I went to different Catholic publishers
- 2:34because I happened to be Catholic.
- 2:36And then I went to other Christian publishers and I went
- 2:39to different places and I said, hey, can you start a book fair
- 2:42company for our school? And then everybody told me, you
- 2:46know, I'm not interested, but you have the passion, you should
- 2:49do it. And so I thought about it, but
- 2:51the whole purpose for me was to stay with my kids and
- 2:55participate in their school life.
- 2:56And that's why I left a career that was very, you know,
- 2:59fulfilling for me in the media. And then so I waited until my
- 3:02youngest was in high school. And during that time, I just
- 3:05became a source of information for other parents.
- 3:07And I read everything that my kids were going to be exposed
- 3:11to. And I let other people know
- 3:13about the different things that were out there and the books
- 3:15that they should, you know, get for their kids.
- 3:17And then when my youngest daughter was in high school, I
- 3:20say, you know, things are not getting any better.
- 3:22The kids are old enough for me to do something.
- 3:25And that's when I felt the calling to start Good News Book
- 3:28Fair. That was in 2014.
- 3:29And our first book fair was 2015, in the beginning of the
- 3:32year. And we're celebrating our 10th
- 3:34anniversary. How do you find those clean
- 3:38books? Clean Media.
- 3:40Well, what we do is, it's a great question.
- 3:42What we do is that we purchase from different publishers both
- 3:46Christian titles in Catholic for the Catholic school and also
- 3:50secular books that and then we have a group of curators and
- 3:54they we select a boat. So we think that would be
- 3:57interested or sometimes now by now, publishers just send us
- 4:00books and then we send it to our curators that we have selected
- 4:03from around the country. And they're composed of parents,
- 4:06authors and media specialists. And they read the whole book and
- 4:10they go through a guideline to see is there positive values in
- 4:13this book? Is there foul language?
- 4:16Is there magic? How is it portrayed?
- 4:18Is there scariness? Is there violence?
- 4:20And then is there sexual content?
- 4:22They go through a whole list of things that we have outlined at
- 4:25the end, they put a little bit of the review of the book.
- 4:27And that's how we make our selection to make sure that you
- 4:30know, it's a clean read. And we buy books from different
- 4:33genres because we know sometimes kids want to read something
- 4:35that's face filled, but other times they also want to read
- 4:38something about dinosaurs or cars.
- 4:40And so we are always in contact with media specialists in
- 4:44schools to make sure what the kids would like to read.
- 4:48We ask kids that we visit sometimes at book fairs.
- 4:51We ask kids what what they would like to read and make sure that
- 4:54all the books, you know, have something of interest and make
- 4:58reading fun. You know, a lot of kids nowadays
- 5:01and as the studies show, are not reading for entertainment.
- 5:05They're not reading for fun. And this is very important that
- 5:09they do this, you know, because while they read, they enjoy
- 5:12themselves. They learn so many virtues and
- 5:14they learn without even realizing it.
- 5:17And so we want to make reading fun.
- 5:19So we have we bring authors to these book fairs and so that the
- 5:23engaged reader will get really excited and the reluctant reader
- 5:27will get excited as well and want to read.
- 5:30So do you have a list that parents can access to see how
- 5:33you rate various books? Well, we don't have a list
- 5:36because we're always changing, but they could go to our
- 5:38website, goodnewsbookfair.com, because we're always changing
- 5:42books because we want to make sure.
- 5:43I mean, schools have a book fair usually twice a year, so they
- 5:47don't want to see the same thing.
- 5:48So we keep the best sellers in the classic, but we're always
- 5:51changing to make it, you know, different and exciting for the
- 5:54kids. I hear you.
- 5:56So it's more about what is the books that you're publicizing
- 5:59now versus having like a perennial list of books that
- 6:02have been been. Correct, correct.
- 6:04And it's very important. I always tell parents, it's very
- 6:07important that your kids see you reading too.
- 6:10So we have a section in our book fairs for parents and teachers
- 6:13as well, because the kids are mostly going to do what they see
- 6:17you doing and that's usually what you tell them to do.
- 6:19So if they see you engaged in in good quality reading, they will
- 6:23see the fun in it and want to do the same.
- 6:26Can you just clarify what you mean by magic and how it's
- 6:29portrayed? Like for example, where would
- 6:31you put Harry Potter? Yes.
- 6:34For example, if they we we carefully look into books like
- 6:38this, does the magic, is it like a magic that has to do with the
- 6:42occult? Is it a magic that has to do
- 6:44with something like a fairy tale?
- 6:47Is it, for example, in Harry Potter, does good win over evil
- 6:52And think that those are the things that we take in
- 6:53consideration? Yeah.
- 6:56OK. So it's is it in the end forming
- 6:58the moral imagination? So just the fact that mentions
- 7:01magic isn't isn't a red flag, but how it's portrayed.
- 7:04Exactly. Exactly.
- 7:05And now that you mention imagination, that's so important
- 7:08because right now in the world we live in, there are lots of
- 7:13active organizations that want to capture the imagination of
- 7:17our kids with things that have to do with their ideology.
- 7:21And therefore, we have to be as parents, as educators, always on
- 7:25guard what our kids are reading and seeing because their
- 7:30imagination is very powerful. I mean, there are studies that
- 7:32show nowadays that doctors are giving kids things to read
- 7:36before, like good inspiring books to read before surgery so
- 7:41that they can be calm instead of medication.
- 7:45And so, you know, it is so powerful, the imagination of a
- 7:47child. If a child starts seeing things
- 7:50that has to do with science, then they will be inclined to,
- 7:54you know, learn more about science.
- 7:56I mean, it's everything that, you know, they capture is like a
- 7:59sponge. Everything that they absorb, you
- 8:02know, really effects them. And that way we have to make
- 8:04sure that the way they do absorb is things that are true, good
- 8:06and beautiful. Exactly.
- 8:09Can you use some examples of Trojan horses you've encountered
- 8:12over the years? So books that, especially ones
- 8:15that are more popular now, that may seem innocuous, but they
- 8:18actually have deformative content in them.
- 8:21Yes, there are a lot and I don't make sure that I don't forget
- 8:24many and but you can always look into our website cuz we do book
- 8:28reviews as well and to make sure that, you know, the books are
- 8:33good. They are books, for example, and
- 8:35and I don't want to say specific because I don't want people to
- 8:37think that they the only those are every book, you know, can be
- 8:41a potential, you know, dangerous thing.
- 8:43So you have to really check and if you can't, then you have to
- 8:46go through sources, the guards that curate because that right
- 8:49now there are books and series books one to third grade that
- 8:54are about biographies of different well known people.
- 8:57And you may think that you know that well known person and it's
- 9:01OK to read about them. But they will include something
- 9:06like some information that's like tabloid.
- 9:09They will say, for example, there's a popular book for
- 9:11children about the story of, of Picasso and they will, and it's
- 9:15for 1st to 3rd graders and they will have an outline of all the
- 9:19women that Picasso had a relationship and their children
- 9:23out of wed wedlock. So imagine, you know, you're
- 9:26going into and you're giving your child a book that is over
- 9:30their head. They don't understand many of
- 9:31these concepts and they don't need to at their age.
- 9:35So it's very important that, you know, parents read that.
- 9:37Sometimes there is a good book, you know, you mentioned about JK
- 9:41Rowling and there's there's biographies about her that are
- 9:44good. But then they go on to talk
- 9:45about how that Harry Potter books were challenged at one
- 9:48point. And then they go on a book, a
- 9:50whole chapter about other books that parents have not liked kids
- 9:55to read. And this is inside a kids book.
- 9:58So they list other books, you know, to pick the curiosity of
- 10:01the child to see, hey, why am I not allowed to read these books?
- 10:04So you have to be very careful. Also with series, there are a
- 10:06lot of series that we grew up with that we loved and were very
- 10:10wholesome. And now they have, they've been
- 10:12re edited and have other contents.
- 10:15There's a graphic novels, for example, of Little Women.
- 10:17And in that graphic novel Little women, you know, there's a
- 10:20sexual component, you know, Joe, you know, has a same sex
- 10:23attraction. And so they, they change things,
- 10:26you know, so it's very important that we read everything that our
- 10:29kids read. And then if we don't have time
- 10:31that we skim through it, we look at book reviews online to make
- 10:34sure that what they're reading is appropriate.
- 10:37That's so diabolical. And on the other hand, what are
- 10:40the positive folks that you'd like to highlight?
- 10:42Oh, we have wonderful positive books.
- 10:45We and and please go to our website so you can see we have
- 10:47books, for example, Wild Ride. It's about a girl who who had
- 10:50the challenge of having cancer. And yet, you know, she dedicated
- 10:55later her life, she survived and she dedicated her life to
- 10:58working with kids who have cancer and she flew and was able
- 11:02to go to the moon as an astronaut.
- 11:04So, you know, we have a lot of our books are, you know,
- 11:08positive books. They're a great series that we
- 11:10have books that instead of, for example, the Wimpy Kid who
- 11:13happens to be a kid that is really a bully actually, and
- 11:17sheets and lies and does everything their parents don't
- 11:19want them to do. We have books that inspire kids,
- 11:23you know, to be different and to be a counterculture to spread
- 11:27the good, like the Warriors series.
- 11:30Like, you know, we have so many books that are just, you know,
- 11:33very inspiring. The Will Wilder series.
- 11:36I mean a lot of other books, you know, the Warriors kids books, I
- 11:40mean a lot of books that are inspiring and that are
- 11:42alternatives to these books nowadays.
- 11:46Yeah. So I just want to summarize an
- 11:48analysis of your message. So your ordinary mom who saw a
- 11:52problem in her community and you tried to get other people to fix
- 11:56it and they wouldn't. So you stepped up and solved the
- 11:59problem. And that's what Virtuous Leaders
- 12:01is all about. So congratulations first on
- 12:03that. Thank you.
- 12:04And it started with by noticing something, but now it's more
- 12:09about we, we are a team. We grew for 10 years.
- 12:13We started as a business. And two years ago, we said, you
- 12:17know, one day when we retire, you know, our kids have their
- 12:20own careers. They're not going to keep up
- 12:21with this. We want this to be a legacy.
- 12:23We want this to more people involved in this with, you know,
- 12:27with great mind. So we became a nonprofit, and
- 12:29that's when we started Literacy Advocates USA.
- 12:34Got it. Yeah.
- 12:35And it is a very important message because these days
- 12:38parents are busy. They're also very naive.
- 12:40The culture is not with you, it's against you.
- 12:43And you can't trust what is popularly accepted.
- 12:47In fact, that's probably an indication that it's going to be
- 12:49harmful. So if this is a good opportunity
- 12:52for parents to wake up to the realistic dangers and you have,
- 12:55you facilitate. They're coming to the truth so
- 12:58that they don't have to do all the work themselves.
- 13:01So they have to do some work. A wise man once said reading has
- 13:04made many Saints like saying they just a Loyola converted to
- 13:08reading. Well, the opposite side of that
- 13:10is bad reading has also destroyed many Saints.
- 13:14So thanks for the work that you do, Liz.
- 13:17Thank you. Thank you very much.
- 13:18And actually that you mentioned about parents and they did a, a
- 13:21recent study, the Rasmussen research in conjunction with
- 13:25Capital Resource and they surveyed voters from all
- 13:30political and demographics. And the conclusion of the survey
- 13:33was that they agree that they don't want obscene books in
- 13:36public school libraries. 77% are concerned school aged children
- 13:41are being exposed to sexual material that is not age
- 13:44appropriate. 55% were very concerned and 20 were not
- 13:49concerned. So that lower that little
- 13:52minority sometimes can be very loud.
- 13:54So I tell people and parents, you know, if you see something,
- 13:58you know, make a difference, go to your schools and tell them
- 14:01there's an alternative and and help, you know, bring good media
- 14:04to your children and to others a lot.
- 14:07There's sometimes when I speak about this in in different
- 14:09organizations and places, they will tell me, you know, I'm so
- 14:13glad that my kids are grown up already and I don't have to deal
- 14:16with that. And they're good readers.
- 14:18But it's not just about your kids.
- 14:19It's about all the other kids around because they grow up and
- 14:23they affect you because they affect the culture.
- 14:27You know, they're the ones that are going to be voters.
- 14:29They're the ones that are coming into the workforce.
- 14:31You know, they don't know how to read or they have different
- 14:33values. It affects everyone around us.
- 14:37That's exactly right. And that's one thing that's kind
- 14:39of radical individualism omits, is that, you know, we have a
- 14:43community of science where we each one's good effects the
- 14:46other and vice versa. Yes, and what we say as literacy
- 14:50advocates USA is that if we change the media, we change the
- 14:54culture and that is our, you know, our vision to be able to
- 14:58reach every child with the possibility of reading because
- 15:01reading it's it's low and it's affects the workforce right now
- 15:04those the scores are low in our country.
- 15:06So be able to have the ability to read, read for fun, to enjoy
- 15:10and have a love for literacy and to give them the right media
- 15:14that they should have. But to reach every child, we
- 15:17started because as Catholics that we are, we started with
- 15:19Catholic school and then we had requests from Protestant
- 15:22schools. And now we're in many Protestant
- 15:24schools around the country. They didn't want the trash that
- 15:27is going on in schools now and libraries.
- 15:29And so now we do charter schools as well.
- 15:31And we're, you know, we're doing public schools too.
- 15:34So you know, they, they have an interest as well.
- 15:36So we're trying to be able to reach every child that we can.
- 15:42Thank you, Liz. Oh, my pleasure, my pleasure.
- 15:45And we want the help of everybody.
- 15:47You know, your time, talent and treasure is so important.
- 15:50It was Pope John Paul the Second that said, you know, don't
- 15:52settle for mediocrity. You know, go out there and do
- 15:55not be afraid. And that's what I tell of
- 15:57parents. You know, it's, it's about
- 15:58making a difference. Mother Angelica always said that
- 16:00as well. You know, it's about making a
- 16:02difference. You know God put you at this
- 16:03time in history so you can do something good in the world.
- 16:08I think that's a beautiful note to end on.
- 16:09Change the media, change the culture.
- 16:11Thanks to Liz Lantigua. Thank you so much for having us
- 16:14here, and everybody that wants more information wants to reach
- 16:16out to help. We're goodnewsbookfair.com.
- 16:19Thanks for listening. Please like, subscribe and share
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