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Tomasz Kosowski: Killer Plastic Surgeon · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi guys welcome to legally brunette i'll be your host
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Speaker 1: today emily simpson with shane all right today we are
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Speaker 1: getting into the case and trial of dr tomas kazowski
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Speaker 1: so in march of 2023 florida attorney stephen cozy stepped
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Speaker 1: away from his desk for a bathroom break and vanished
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Speaker 1: his body has never been found what year is this
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Speaker 1: this is 2023.
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Speaker 2: So three years, no body.
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Speaker 1: No body. The man accused of killing him is Dr.
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Speaker 1: Tomasz Kozowski, a plastic surgeon who had been locked in
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Speaker 1: a bitter lawsuit with Cozy. Actually, the lawsuit isn't with Cozy.
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Speaker 1: Cozy is an attorney, and he's representing the opposing side.
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Speaker 1: So the way I understand it is Dr. Tomasz Kozowski
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Speaker 1: is representing himself in this civil action, so then he
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Speaker 1: is dealing with– Stephen Cozy as opposing counsel. So that's
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Speaker 1: how they have this interaction. That's the connection. So surveillance
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Speaker 1: video shows someone leaving Cozy's office, pulling a heavy covered cart.
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Speaker 1: Kozlowski defended himself at trial, so he's representing himself, and
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Speaker 1: the verdict was delivered on September 23rd, 2026. So we
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Speaker 1: just got a verdict in this case. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: have you seen it? There's been lots of videos all
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Speaker 1: over my news source, Instagram, of clips of him because
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Speaker 1: he's representing himself, which I believe he did start out
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Speaker 1: with a couple attorneys and he went through a few
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Speaker 1: of them. And I don't know, for whatever reason, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if he fired them, if they withdrew, but
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Speaker 1: he's gone through... a few attorneys until he finally decided
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Speaker 1: to represent himself.
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Speaker 2: He's like, if you want to get it done right,
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Speaker 2: you got to do it yourself. You got to do
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Speaker 2: it yourself.
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Speaker 1: You got to, you got to murder people yourself and
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Speaker 1: then you got to represent yourself in court. So he's
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Speaker 1: currently representing himself. So let's do a little background on
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Speaker 1: this case. So first of all, let's just start out
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Speaker 1: with this civil lawsuit. So between 2018 and 2019, uh,
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Speaker 1: Kazowski left the Lawford Institute of Plastic Surgery in 2018.
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Speaker 1: And in 2019, he filed a civil lawsuit over a
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Speaker 1: medical billing and insurance dispute, claiming that billing problems and
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Speaker 1: negative online reviews had damaged his professional reputation and had
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Speaker 1: caused him financial loss.
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Speaker 3: Seems like such a, like that's inherently part of the business.
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Speaker 3: You're a plastic surgeon.
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Speaker 2: You're successful. You have a lot of transactions.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's not just you're selling a product off the, you know,
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Speaker 2: the conveyor belt.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always heard, and I don't know how accurate
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Speaker 1: this is, but I've always heard, especially in, and with
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Speaker 1: attorneys too, that it's kind of a normal occurrence to
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Speaker 1: deal with malpractice suits.
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Speaker 2: It's like returned goods.
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Speaker 3: Nordstrom expects you to buy 10 pairs of shoes and
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Speaker 3: return a couple.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So even in a malpractice suit, when you're talking about
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Speaker 1: an attorney or you're talking about a plastic surgeon, there's
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Speaker 1: always the percentage of people that are unhappy, no matter what,
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Speaker 1: even if you didn't do something wrong. But this isn't
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Speaker 1: a malpractice suit.
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Speaker 2: This is a civil suit.
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Speaker 1: This is a billing issue.
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Speaker 3: Even worse, even probably more common and more just not personal,
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Speaker 3: but a business issue.
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Speaker 1: So Stephen Cozy was an attorney who represented the defendants
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Speaker 1: in that case. So in 2022, Kozowski began representing himself,
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Speaker 1: which put him in direct dealings with the doctor's attorneys,
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Speaker 1: including Cozy. So the judge in the civil case later
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Speaker 1: testified that discovery was so contentious, it required the appointment
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Speaker 1: of a special master. A special master is an independent person,
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Speaker 1: usually an experienced attorney or expert, appointed by a judge
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Speaker 1: to assist the court with specific, often complex duties in
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Speaker 1: a legal case. So basically what this means is, because
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Speaker 1: he's representing himself, he's probably not behaving correctly. He's probably not.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's inexperienced. Right. Right?
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Speaker 3: And he's a murderer, so I don't think he's concerned
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Speaker 3: about his courtroom decor.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but this is before he's representing himself in court.
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Speaker 1: Right now, he's just representing himself in his civil suit
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Speaker 1: with Cozy on the other side.
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Speaker 2: Which is a court.
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Speaker 1: And they have to appoint a special master to help
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Speaker 1: with the discovery because it's so contentious between the two sides.
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Speaker 1: It's probably because he's not an attorney. He's probably not
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Speaker 1: complying with a lot of discovery requests and things like that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but that would be my assumption here.
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Speaker 1: And I think when people represent themselves, it can be very,
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Speaker 1: very difficult.
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Speaker 3: It's sort of like if you're putting together some furniture
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Speaker 3: or something and your toddler kid wants to come help you. Yes.
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Speaker 2: And they mean really well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to let them.
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Speaker 2: But I want to help.
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Speaker 1: I'll do it. I'll do it.
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Speaker 3: Or they want to do it themselves. They want to
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Speaker 3: put the... the seatbelt on themselves and they're like, I'll
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Speaker 3: do it. And you're sitting there like in the rain going,
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Speaker 3: come on, get it done.
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Speaker 2: Let me just do it. I'm, I'm, I'm experienced. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's what it's like when you have someone representing themselves
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Speaker 3: and you're.
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Speaker 1: On the other side.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: It's very frustrating.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: All right. So let's go through a little timeline of
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Speaker 1: the actual day of the murder, which was March 21st
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Speaker 1: of 2023. So at 7.51 a.m., a neighbor's camera allegedly
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Speaker 1: recorded a Toyota Tundra leaving the area of Tomasz Kozlowski's
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Speaker 1: Tarpon Springs home. At 8.08 a.m., Kozlowski's iPhone powers off.
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Speaker 1: I love when people power off their phone.
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Speaker 3: The only time I power off my phone is when
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Speaker 3: I need to like, it's not working. So I power
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Speaker 3: it off and then up right away, like back up.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But I love when people commit crimes and they're like,
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Speaker 1: I'm in my car. I'm about to go commit a murder.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to power my phone off.
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Speaker 2: Nobody will know where I am.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: 8.32 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Surveillance video shows the Tundra arriving at the law office.
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Speaker 1: I love how he powers his phone off, but he
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Speaker 1: drives his own personal vehicle.
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Speaker 2: All right. Yeah. That's on camera.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, surveillance video shows this.
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Speaker 2: He should have had a Ford F-150. A black one.
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Speaker 2: A black Ford F-150. It's the number one selling truck.
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Speaker 2: It is. So you'd be like, well, it could be anyone,
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Speaker 2: Your Honor.
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Speaker 1: It could be Shane Simpson, Your Honor.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: He drives a Ford F-150. All right, so at 8.34 a.m.,
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Speaker 1: a man wearing gloves and carrying a large box enters
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Speaker 1: the building. At 8.37 a.m., a cozy enters the building
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Speaker 1: and began his workday. At 8.45 a.m., the office manager
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Speaker 1: noticed the thermostat was out and went to reset the
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Speaker 1: breaker in the utility closet and passed an unfamiliar man
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Speaker 1: in the hallway. You know, I guess if you're in
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Speaker 1: a law office, and I believe this is only like
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Speaker 1: a one-story law office. This isn't like a big sky
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Speaker 1: rise or anything.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And you pass someone that you've never seen before.
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Speaker 2: Deliveries, people fixing the copy machines. Right.
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Speaker 3: If they look like they know what they're doing, like
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Speaker 3: they're walking and they're focused, and they're carrying a box.
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Speaker 1: A large utility box.
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Speaker 2: They're conducting business.
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Speaker 1: Right. Around mid-morning, a paralegal talked with Cozy about getting
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Speaker 1: Wendy's for lunch after his hearing and said he seemed preoccupied.
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Speaker 1: Around 9.50 a.m., Cozy left his office and walked into
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Speaker 1: the bathroom. Now, I know when he left his office,
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Speaker 1: he actually had, he left to go into the restroom
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Speaker 1: and he leaves his email, I believe like a draft
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Speaker 1: or something, open on his computer.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: And he left his cell phone at his desk. I
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Speaker 1: think it was playing music.
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Speaker 2: Oh, so like he was in the midst of tasks.
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Speaker 1: He was in the middle of, right. And he goes
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Speaker 1: to the bathroom. He was never seen alive again. This
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Speaker 1: begins the 32-minute window prosecutors say the killing happened in.
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Speaker 1: So at 10 a.m., a neighboring business manager tries to
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Speaker 1: use the men's restroom but backed away after hearing a
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Speaker 1: strange sound. I guess he describes that like paper rubbing
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Speaker 1: on a wall. I don't know why you would back
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Speaker 1: away from that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why a murderer would be rubbing paper
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Speaker 2: on a wall.
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Speaker 1: I don't know either. Well, because he's cleaning up.
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Speaker 2: With paper?
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Speaker 1: Well, paper towels, possibly. At 10.22 a.m., the unfamiliar man.
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Speaker 1: That was seen earlier emerges from the law office, apparently
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Speaker 1: in different clothing, pulling a wagon that appeared to carry
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Speaker 1: significant weight. A flock camera image shows the cart draped
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Speaker 1: in a red blanket. All right. So we've got a
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Speaker 1: timeline down.
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Speaker 2: We've got not suspicious at all.
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Speaker 1: We've got a man, an unfamiliar man entering into the
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Speaker 1: law firm by a number of people. He's on surveillance
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Speaker 1: video and someone sees him in the hallway.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Then we've got Cozy going into the restroom. We've got
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Speaker 1: someone around 10 a.m. hearing some strange sounds in the restroom.
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Speaker 1: Then we've got surveillance video of the man leaving in
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Speaker 1: a different outfit with his cart with a red blanket
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Speaker 1: over it. And it appears heavy.
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Speaker 2: The different outfit, I assume, is to hide the blood, right?
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Speaker 1: Well, I assume if you murder someone.
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Speaker 2: Because if you're an unidentified man walking through a law firm.
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Speaker 2: And you have blood all over you.
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Speaker 1: Then you really look suspicious.
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Speaker 2: Then they might question you. Right.
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Speaker 1: All right, at 1024 a.m., Kozlowski turns his phone back on.
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Speaker 1: He turned it off at 808. He turns it back
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Speaker 1: on at 1024. So from about 808 to 1024 a.m.,
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Speaker 1: there are no records from his phone.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's no different than if you, like, have
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Speaker 3: video of someone walking up to a video camera and
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Speaker 3: covering it. And then, like, someone disappears or some, you know.
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Speaker 2: crime happens. And then that person takes the cap back
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Speaker 2: off the lens.
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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, we didn't see it, but we know
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Speaker 3: between you covering it up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Basically what he did by powering off his phone and
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Speaker 1: powering it back on.
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Speaker 2: I have something to do right now. Very, very significant
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Speaker 2: with the timeline. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They're like, well, it happened between eight Oh eight and
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Speaker 1: 10 24.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: All right. 10 15 to 10 45 AM. The neighboring
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Speaker 1: manager entered the restroom and found an intense chemical smell, blood,
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Speaker 1: paper towel trash, and a large patch of wall paint
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Speaker 1: scrubbed away inside the stall. Can you imagine? Like, you
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Speaker 1: try to go to the restroom.
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Speaker 2: It was a bigger task than he thought, though, is
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Speaker 2: what this murderer said.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're used to using this restroom.
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Speaker 2: At a nice, quiet law firm. Right. With two stalls. Right.
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Speaker 1: And then you go in later, and it's like.
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Speaker 2: A crime scene. Yeah. You're like, who was murdered? Let's
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Speaker 2: take roll.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: At 10.30 a.m., a telephone hearing in the civil case began.
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Speaker 1: So actually, there was a hearing scheduled for that day
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Speaker 1: between Kozlowski and Cozy representing the other side. So the
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Speaker 1: state says that Kozlowski joined. He joined.
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Speaker 2: That's why he had to.
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Speaker 1: His timeline was very tight because he had a hearing.
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Speaker 2: That's why it was 8.08 to 10.24. It's multitasking. Yes. Wait,
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Speaker 2: can we go back to the bathroom?
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Speaker 1: Okay, we're back in the bathroom.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 3: It always kills me when these murderers, like they start
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Speaker 3: to clean up and then it's like, it's like too much.
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Speaker 2: It's like, forget it.
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Speaker 3: I don't have time for this. And it makes it
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Speaker 3: worse because now it's like, I don't know. It's like
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Speaker 3: they probably leave more evidence, more of a trail.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that's why he scrubbed the paint off?
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Speaker 1: He was like, I can't get all this blood off.
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to.
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Speaker 1: Scrape the paint off.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back tomorrow and repaint.
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Speaker 1: All right. So he got, but listen to his timeline though.
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Speaker 1: He finished this at 1024 and his telephone conference was
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Speaker 1: at 1030.
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Speaker 2: So he had six minutes. He has a plastic surgeon.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's educated.
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Speaker 1: Cozy, the attorney that we know was in the bathroom
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Speaker 1: and we have never seen again, did not join in
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Speaker 1: on the telephone conference.
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Speaker 2: Was that his alibi?
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Speaker 3: He thought, I'll appear at this conference and make it.
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Speaker 2: Did he act like, where's cozy? I don't know what's
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Speaker 2: going on.
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Speaker 1: He's like, I just saw him in the bathroom.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: Between 1105 and 1116 AM, the man that was seen
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Speaker 1: on the video repositioned the wagon, changed shirts, returned briefly
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Speaker 1: toward the building and then drove away in the tundra.
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Speaker 1: So the way I understand it is he took this,
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Speaker 1: this telephone conference still at the law firm. So he
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Speaker 1: must have just gotten into his truck, took the telephone
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Speaker 1: conference at 10.30 a.m. He turns his phone on, right?
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Speaker 1: He's still in the building. He's probably just in the
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Speaker 1: parking garage or something.
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Speaker 2: He's in the waiting room.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah. He's in the bathroom.
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Speaker 2: So we have a meeting. Takes his telephone conference. I
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Speaker 2: was in the neighborhood. Thought I'd just drop by. Ten
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Speaker 2: in person.
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Speaker 1: Then at 11.05 to 11.16, which is what I just
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Speaker 1: talked about, he's caught repositioning the wagon. He's changed shirts.
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Speaker 1: He's returned briefly toward the building. And then he's driving
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Speaker 1: away in the Toyota Tundra.
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Speaker 2: Wait, we don't see him. putting anything in a truck.
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Speaker 2: Is that not on the camera?
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Speaker 1: So I don't believe that they have surveillance video of
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Speaker 1: him actually putting the car into his Toyota Tundra. But
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Speaker 1: what they did find was, I didn't know this, but
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Speaker 1: all these transit buses have cameras on them. And we
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Speaker 1: talked about that in the other case with the Prius
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Speaker 1: and the hit man, that was the Dan Markel case
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Speaker 1: where they found video. Do you remember from a transit bus?
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Speaker 1: They found the Prius pulling up next to the bus
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Speaker 1: after it left the murder scene. And they were trying
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Speaker 1: to get an image of who was driving, but they didn't.
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Speaker 1: They actually ended up getting the image from the ATM
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Speaker 1: when they went.
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Speaker 2: Through the ATM.
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Speaker 1: But because they did not have Kozlowski putting the gorilla
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Speaker 1: cart into his own Toyota Tundra, they did find surveillance
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Speaker 1: video from a transit bus camera, which captured the Toyota
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Speaker 1: Tundra heading north. And on the video, you can see
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Speaker 1: a large red or orange container visible in the bed
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Speaker 1: of the truck.
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Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Yeah. So at a later point, they saw the,
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Speaker 2: what would you call it, a wagon? A gorilla.
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Speaker 1: It's called like a gorilla cart.
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Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 1: Like an industrial size cart.
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Speaker 3: A large toolbox that you can put stuff in and
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Speaker 3: close it off and wheel away.
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Speaker 1: At 1145 a.m., Officer Jennifer Burr was dispatched for a
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Speaker 1: welfare check and found an unfinished email on Cozy's screen,
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Speaker 1: his phone music still playing, and his keys, wallet, and
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Speaker 1: coat left behind. Then at 1158 a.m., a neighborhood camera
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Speaker 1: allegedly showed the tundra returning toward Kozlowski's home and the
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Speaker 1: covered wagon still visible. Also, a red Toyota Corolla associated
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Speaker 1: with Kozlowski left the area. Investigators theorize that evidence was
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Speaker 1: moved from the tundra to the Corolla. My takeaway is
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Speaker 1: he's a Toyota fan. He has a Toyota tundra and
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Speaker 1: a Toyota Corolla. So they capture him pulling into his
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Speaker 1: neighborhood in the tundra. but then later leaving in the
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Speaker 1: Toyota Corolla.
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Speaker 3: So I think he's- So we had a hit man
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Speaker 3: last week that was driving a Toyota Prius.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And this week we got a Corolla and a Tundra.
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Speaker 1: A Toyota Corolla.
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Speaker 2: Okay, can we go back to the bathroom one more time? Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: So he goes to the restroom to wait for his victim. Yes.
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Speaker 3: How did he know the victim would use the restroom
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Speaker 3: when he did, or how did he get the victim
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Speaker 3: to go.
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Speaker 2: To the restroom? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think he, I have no idea.
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Speaker 2: Did he just like wait and hope that he comes
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Speaker 2: before the 1030 meeting?
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Speaker 1: I guess so. I guess he was just... I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Maybe there were other... I don't know. I had that
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Speaker 1: same question because it's a very small window of time
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Speaker 1: that he's in the restroom waiting for him. So I
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Speaker 1: just know if I went to an office building to
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Speaker 1: wait for someone to come in... And you have to
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Speaker 1: make sure they come in by themselves. You have to
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Speaker 1: make sure no one else is in the hallway. You
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Speaker 1: have to make sure no one.
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Speaker 2: Else comes in. So I don't know how... It's like all.
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Speaker 1: The stars aligned for him that in this small window
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Speaker 1: of time that he's in the restroom lying in wait, waiting...
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Speaker 1: That specific attorney walks in. He comes in before the meeting.
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Speaker 1: He comes in alone. And apparently there's no one else
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Speaker 1: in the hallway that.
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Speaker 2: Sees it or witnesses anything. And he made it to
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Speaker 2: his 1030 o'clock meeting.
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Speaker 1: And he still made it to his 1030 hearing. So
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Did he slip something in his coffee?
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Speaker 1: I do believe he uses some kind of succinylcholine. It's a.
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Speaker 2: Laxative?
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Speaker 1: Not a laxative. I don't know what it is.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: What would you give someone so they don't fight back?
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Speaker 1: He has to make sure that this guy doesn't fight
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Speaker 1: back and cause a big.
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Speaker 2: Scene in the bathroom. Oh, why do you think that
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Speaker 2: that happened? He drugged him?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he drugged him. Where did he.
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Speaker 2: Oh, like maybe like.
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Speaker 3: Oh, is it like you mean on TV where they
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Speaker 3: have the rags and they put it on their, the
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Speaker 3: chloroform and they just put it on their.
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Speaker 2: Face and they like pass out in one second?
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Speaker 1: Or he goes in and he uses the urinal and
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Speaker 1: he comes out of the stall and he, you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe puts the needle in the back of his neck
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Speaker 1: or something.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. There's a needle?
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Speaker 1: He has to give this, he gives this guy, they believe, succinylcholine,
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Speaker 1: which is some type of.
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Speaker 2: Why do they believe that though?
15:58
Speaker 1: Let's just establish this. The body has never been found.
16:02
Speaker 2: Right.
16:02
Speaker 1: So they have to put a lot of pieces together
16:05
Speaker 1: and theorize about what happened.
16:07
Speaker 2: Well, my theory is it's in this gorilla box.
16:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
16:09
Speaker 1: Well, we know that.
16:11
Speaker 3: Okay.
16:11
Speaker 2: Just a theory based on the facts so far.
16:15
Speaker 1: I understand. But I'm saying as far as details as
16:18
Speaker 1: to how he incapacitated him or how he overtook him
16:21
Speaker 1: in the bathroom or what happened in that bathroom.
16:24
Speaker 2: Did he dismember him? I don't know.
16:26
Speaker 1: Maybe he put like.
16:29
Speaker 2: something in the box to lure him into it. What,
16:32
Speaker 2: like snacks? Like what you would do with me?
16:33
Speaker 1: Is that what you're going to say? Like if there
16:35
Speaker 1: were fruit snacks, I would just find my, I would
16:37
Speaker 1: just follow the fruit snacks to the bathroom.
16:39
Speaker 2: Your words, not mine.
16:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
16:41
Speaker 2: And then close the gorilla box. Yeah. And then walk out.
16:46
Speaker 2: And then, you know.
16:48
Speaker 1: You mean it would be so easy to get me
16:50
Speaker 1: in a gorilla box if you just put a line
16:52
Speaker 1: of fruit snacks?
16:53
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh. And I would just get in. Yes.
16:59
Speaker 2: Your words, not mine.
17:00
Speaker 3: I never brought you into this.
17:10
Speaker 1: 9.36 p.m. A license plate reader captures the Corolla near
17:14
Speaker 1: the dumpster that became central to the search. Phone records
17:17
Speaker 1: were consistent with a brief stop at this dumpster lasting
17:20
Speaker 1: about one minute. So they believe this is where he
17:22
Speaker 1: dumped the body. So they believe that he took the
17:24
Speaker 1: body home in the Toyota Corolla. tundra then moves it
17:29
Speaker 1: to the corolla and then drives out to this trail
17:32
Speaker 1: because that's where the digital forensic evidence right shows him
17:35
Speaker 1: going and there's a dumpster it's very specific.
17:37
Speaker 3: Box and i mean in all seriousness the box didn't
17:40
Speaker 3: fit in the corolla right like did is that what
17:42
Speaker 3: they think he took it out of the box put
17:44
Speaker 3: it in the corolla.
17:44
Speaker 1: Why why would he do all that i i don't
17:46
Speaker 1: know i.
17:47
Speaker 3: Mean they don't know it's a rhetorical question it's just
17:49
Speaker 3: like i this is well they.
17:50
Speaker 1: Didn't find the body so whatever he at least yeah so.
17:54
Speaker 3: He's spreading dna across all his cars Yes, that is true.
17:58
Speaker 2: Potentially.
17:59
Speaker 1: All right. Then we get to March 23rd to April
18:01
Speaker 1: of 2023. This is the search and arrest of Kazowski.
18:05
Speaker 1: So on March 23rd, between 930 and 1030 a.m., a
18:09
Speaker 1: garbage truck driver picks up the dumpster and notice an
18:12
Speaker 1: overpowering foul smell that clung to him all day. He testified,
18:18
Speaker 1: I believe, that like it was such a it wasn't
18:21
Speaker 1: normal trash smell.
18:22
Speaker 2: Right.
18:22
Speaker 1: It was like a rancid.
18:23
Speaker 2: Like he's experienced a lot of odors. Right. And this
18:26
Speaker 2: one stood out.
18:27
Speaker 1: And he also claims, I think they went back and
18:29
Speaker 1: looked at the, I didn't know this. I learned so
18:32
Speaker 1: many new things. But apparently garbage trucks have a camera
18:35
Speaker 1: on them. And so when the garbage goes into the truck.
18:40
Speaker 1: You can see.
18:42
Speaker 2: It kind of scans it to some degree.
18:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
18:45
Speaker 1: And I believe that they saw was not a normal
18:48
Speaker 1: sized trash bag.
18:49
Speaker 2: I wonder what the purpose of that is.
18:50
Speaker 1: So I guess so you can look for bodies.
18:52
Speaker 2: I don't know.
18:52
Speaker 1: But there was a large, like long cylinder type of
18:57
Speaker 1: trash shaped bag with this trash.
19:01
Speaker 2: Okay.
19:01
Speaker 1: And a very foul.
19:02
Speaker 2: With four limbs? Yeah.
19:04
Speaker 1: And a very foul smell. He says he noticed an
19:08
Speaker 1: overpowering foul smell that clung to him all day. He
19:10
Speaker 1: also recalled seeing a red corolla parked near it a
19:13
Speaker 1: week or two earlier. The contents went to the Collier
19:16
Speaker 1: County landfill. That same day, so we're still at March 23rd,
19:20
Speaker 1: police searched Kozlowski's Tarpon Springs home. The tundra was in
19:24
Speaker 1: the garage with apparent blood in the truck bed and
19:27
Speaker 1: on the garage floor. Then on March 25th, officer stopped
19:31
Speaker 1: Kozowski in his Corolla and he was arrested and charged
19:34
Speaker 1: with first degree murder. So they find blood matching Cozy's
19:39
Speaker 1: DNA plus $ 282, 120 in cash, much of it in $ 10, 000
19:41
Speaker 1: bands and a vial of succinylcholine. with a syringe. And
19:53
Speaker 1: it's a fast-acting, depolarizing, neuromuscular-blocking agent used to temporarily paralyze
19:57
Speaker 1: skeletal muscles during medical procedures. This is what I don't understand.
20:01
Speaker 1: If you're savvy enough to turn your cell phone on
20:03
Speaker 1: and off because you don't want a digital footprint of
20:06
Speaker 1: where you went during those... couple hours, why would you
20:10
Speaker 1: leave the succinylcholine in a vial in your car?
20:13
Speaker 2: And then you dump a body and you don't dump
20:14
Speaker 2: all the other evidence?
20:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't make sense. All right, Kazowski's duffel that
20:20
Speaker 1: prosecutors called the murder bag, and he didn't get rid
20:23
Speaker 1: of his murder bag either, held ski mask, a Guy
20:28
Speaker 1: Fawkes mask, GPS trackers, a stun gun, brass knuckles, a crowbar,
20:35
Speaker 1: duct tape, law enforcement patches, Kowalski's US and Polish passports.
20:42
Speaker 2: Like, could you just... And a mime outfit. It's like,
20:45
Speaker 2: the guy had everything. That's what I don't understand.
20:48
Speaker 1: I mean, he took, he clearly planned this out, like
20:52
Speaker 1: meticulously planned out.
20:54
Speaker 2: Well, to some degree, he left a mess in the stall.
20:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he tried to clean it.
20:59
Speaker 2: Right.
20:59
Speaker 1: I'm saying that he premeditated a plan of using his Tundra,
21:05
Speaker 1: getting the gorilla cart, figuring out this guy's schedule, being
21:09
Speaker 1: in the bathroom, turning his phone off and on.
21:11
Speaker 2: He did some parts really well.
21:13
Speaker 1: But then he leaves a murder bag in his car.
21:17
Speaker 2: Maybe he had another murder that he had to get to.
21:20
Speaker 1: Oh, that's good.
21:21
Speaker 2: He wasn't done yet. He still needed the supplies.
21:23
Speaker 1: That's true. On March 30th, a cadaver dog alerted on
21:27
Speaker 1: the dumpster. A three-day landfill search followed, excavating a 50-by-50-foot
21:32
Speaker 1: grid 17 feet deep down. However, the body was never found.
21:38
Speaker 1: On April 27th, a grand jury indicted Kozowski on first-degree murder,
21:42
Speaker 1: and the state filed notice it would seek the death penalty.
21:46
Speaker 1: All right, so now we've got Kozlowski arrested, and they're
21:52
Speaker 1: seeking the death penalty. On September, this is soon, this
21:56
Speaker 1: is now, he goes to trial, right?
21:58
Speaker 2: This just happened.
21:58
Speaker 1: So he's in trial. He goes on September 14th, his
22:01
Speaker 1: trial opens, and Kozlowski, who is again representing himself, declines
22:05
Speaker 1: an opening statement. He actually doesn't do an opening statement.
22:09
Speaker 2: He forgot. He probably just like, oh, that today? I
22:12
Speaker 2: didn't realize. I thought I had more time.
22:16
Speaker 1: Your Honor, I'm so sorry. I have nothing to say.
22:19
Speaker 2: I've been kind of busy.
22:21
Speaker 1: Then also, I believe that the first four witnesses that
22:26
Speaker 1: the prosecution puts on, he doesn't cross-examine or anything. He's
22:30
Speaker 1: just sitting there the whole time. So I'm not quite sure.
22:34
Speaker 2: Maybe he probably didn't know the procedures. Yeah. He probably
22:38
Speaker 2: thought I'll say the cross-examining for the very end. Maybe.
22:41
Speaker 2: Or something. I don't know.
22:43
Speaker 1: All right. The prosecution mapped out. Kazowski's buildup to the murder.
22:47
Speaker 1: So we go back to December of 2022. This is
22:50
Speaker 1: three months prior to the murder. Amazon records showed purchases
22:54
Speaker 1: from Kazowski, including two folding gorilla carts and five rolls
22:58
Speaker 1: of heavy duty duct tape. You know, if you learn
23:01
Speaker 1: anything from this podcast, it's don't buy your murder kit
23:05
Speaker 1: at Walmart or Amazon and don't put your murder duffel
23:10
Speaker 1: bag in your car.
23:13
Speaker 2: Well, I would take it a step further and don't murder.
23:16
Speaker 3: Right.
23:16
Speaker 2: I understand.
23:17
Speaker 1: Okay.
23:17
Speaker 2: Yes.
23:18
Speaker 1: The moral man that you are, you would say that.
23:21
Speaker 1: All right. December 26th of 2022, Kazowski bought a gray
23:24
Speaker 1: Toyota Tundra, reportedly paying between $ 26, 000 and $ 32, 000 in cash
23:30
Speaker 1: for it. According to investigators, he never registered the truck
23:33
Speaker 1: or put the title in his name, though the seller
23:35
Speaker 1: did notify the state that the sale had gone through.
23:38
Speaker 1: I see. So this is his vehicle. This is his
23:40
Speaker 1: murder vehicle. And he's hoping that he buys it in
23:43
Speaker 1: cash so that there's no, doesn't link him in any way.
23:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:49
Speaker 1: But then can you stop eating candy while we're doing
23:52
Speaker 1: a podcast, please?
23:55
Speaker 2: I have something to say.
23:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:58
Speaker 2: He thought he was, you're right. He thought he was smart.
24:00
Speaker 2: He goes, I'll pay cash. You can't trace. Right. You know,
24:03
Speaker 2: these bills.
24:04
Speaker 1: I'm not going to register it.
24:05
Speaker 2: And I won't register it. But the seller, you have
24:08
Speaker 2: to do that.
24:09
Speaker 1: Right.
24:10
Speaker 3: And now I'm going to do it even more. I
24:11
Speaker 3: usually send it in the DMV. A couple of times
24:13
Speaker 3: I have it. You're basically saying, I sold the vehicle. Like,
24:18
Speaker 3: I don't owe for any more parking tickets from this
24:20
Speaker 3: day forward or anything that happens.
24:22
Speaker 2: I'm off the hook.
24:22
Speaker 1: You're like, it's used in a murder or a hitman
24:25
Speaker 1: drove it.
24:25
Speaker 2: If you find a syringe or a duffel bag.
24:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not mine.
24:29
Speaker 2: Not me. Right.
24:30
Speaker 3: So thankfully, this guy did it. I always thought to
24:33
Speaker 3: do it because the parking tickets are toll violations. Now
24:36
Speaker 3: I know it could be more serious than that, like
24:39
Speaker 3: a felony.
24:39
Speaker 1: It could be used as a murder vehicle.
24:41
Speaker 2: Right.
24:42
Speaker 1: Detectives also said the truck was rigged with a device
24:45
Speaker 1: that could swap out the license plate on command. And
24:48
Speaker 1: a search of Kazowski's home turned up 11 out-of-state and
24:52
Speaker 1: antique plates.
24:53
Speaker 2: This guy just creates evidence.
24:55
Speaker 1: He does, right? Yeah. He's like, I'm just going to
24:58
Speaker 1: search more things and buy more things on Amazon.
25:00
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:00
Speaker 1: Oh, wait, I need more license plates and more license
25:03
Speaker 1: plate covers.
25:04
Speaker 2: Golly.
25:05
Speaker 1: December 28th of 2022, Kozlowski filed a motion seeking, among
25:09
Speaker 1: other things, to remove Cozy from the civil case. So
25:12
Speaker 1: this is prior. So this is the evidence that the
25:14
Speaker 1: prosecution is presenting as to a motive, right? So he's
25:19
Speaker 1: doing all these things. He wants... I read that there
25:23
Speaker 1: was a lot of animosity between him and Cozy, the
25:25
Speaker 1: specific attorney. So I think his dealings with him on
25:28
Speaker 1: this civil suit made him have a very personal vendetta
25:32
Speaker 1: against Cozy. So he files.
25:35
Speaker 2: And he took justice into his own hands. Yes. And
25:37
Speaker 2: killed the opposing counsel.
25:40
Speaker 1: So he files to remove Cozy from the civil case.
25:44
Speaker 1: January of 2023, data shows that Kozowski searched for Cozy's address.
25:49
Speaker 1: And then January 17th of 2023, another motion seeking sanctions
25:53
Speaker 1: and Cozy's disqualification. So we know that he's doing searches
25:57
Speaker 1: on his own personal computer looking for Cozy's address.
26:00
Speaker 2: Which is totally out of line. Right.
26:04
Speaker 3: I mean, he has the right to do it, but
26:07
Speaker 3: you have no reason to do it other than if
26:10
Speaker 3: you're now taking it personal, this lawsuit with the attorney.
26:15
Speaker 1: All right, then on January 26 of 2023, during a
26:18
Speaker 1: deposition at Blanchard Law, so this is the law office
26:22
Speaker 1: where Cozy works. So Kozowski was there. I guess Kozy
26:27
Speaker 1: was probably taking Kozowski's deposition at this law firm. And
26:31
Speaker 1: Kozowski allegedly confronted Kozy in the same restroom, which would
26:35
Speaker 1: later be identified as the crime scene, calling him a
26:39
Speaker 1: scumbag and said that he would win in the end.
26:42
Speaker 1: Kozy texted his husband about it that day. So I
26:45
Speaker 1: guess there was a confrontation in that. But I need
26:48
Speaker 1: a visual of this bathroom.
26:49
Speaker 2: It's got to be on your tour.
26:52
Speaker 1: Yes. The bathroom.
26:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to stop and use the bathroom.
26:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the Blanchard Law Firm.
26:57
Speaker 3: Do you know how many other people at that law
26:59
Speaker 3: firm are like, glad I didn't have that case. Like,
27:01
Speaker 3: I almost had that case.
27:03
Speaker 1: Right.
27:03
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes it kind of scary. Like, who
27:05
Speaker 2: am I going against?
27:14
Speaker 1: All right, and then February to early March of 2023,
27:17
Speaker 1: Kozowski photographed Stephen Cozy's husband's vehicle, which was parked at
27:21
Speaker 1: their home, and took a video of the parking lot
27:23
Speaker 1: where Blanchard Law was located. Cozy's vehicle was in this recording.
27:28
Speaker 1: And I assume that they know this because they found
27:30
Speaker 1: it on his phone.
27:31
Speaker 2: Right, right.
27:32
Speaker 1: So he's searching for his home. He's going to his
27:35
Speaker 1: home because he's taking videos of his husband's car. Cozy
27:38
Speaker 1: is married and has a husband. So he's going to
27:40
Speaker 1: his home and taking videos of his husband's car at
27:43
Speaker 1: his home. And then he has videos of the law
27:46
Speaker 1: firm with cozy's car parked.
27:48
Speaker 2: I mean, that's, that screams murder. Well, okay. Maybe not
27:55
Speaker 2: quite screams, but that screams, you know, danger.
27:59
Speaker 1: Well, it's, it's, it says that he has an obsession
28:02
Speaker 1: with this man.
28:03
Speaker 2: Yeah. And not a love obsession, but obsession of taking
28:05
Speaker 2: him down.
28:06
Speaker 1: Phone data also shows searches for utility carts, motorized license
28:10
Speaker 1: plate flippers. I had no idea. Is there just like
28:13
Speaker 1: a crime website that you can go to to buy?
28:15
Speaker 1: I mean, where do you buy a license plate flipper?
28:18
Speaker 3: I've seen people use that for like toll roads and stuff.
28:20
Speaker 3: So you might flip it and it's blank. Then you
28:21
Speaker 3: flip it back when you get past the toll road.
28:23
Speaker 1: Oh, and then you can't get charged?
28:25
Speaker 2: I guess.
28:26
Speaker 3: Or you can flip it, commit a murder, flip it back. Right,
28:30
Speaker 3: or that. It's like you're alter ego.
28:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, I have time for a murder.
28:34
Speaker 1: Flip.
28:36
Speaker 2: All right.
28:37
Speaker 1: March 14th of 2023. This is when he does a
28:40
Speaker 1: dry run. So a custodian.
28:42
Speaker 2: Does a dry run. He does a dry rehearsal. A
28:44
Speaker 2: dress rehearsal.
28:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:45
Speaker 2: Wow.
28:46
Speaker 1: A custodian found a man and a white surgical mask
28:49
Speaker 1: hiding inside the building's electrical breaker closet in the dark.
28:53
Speaker 1: She followed him to the parking lot and saw him
28:55
Speaker 1: leave in a gray tundra with New Jersey plates. A
28:59
Speaker 1: brown unlabeled box containing blue fabric and wagon wheels, which
29:03
Speaker 1: was a gorilla cart, was left behind in the closet.
29:07
Speaker 2: Who is this witness?
29:08
Speaker 1: A custodian in this building. But this is the thing
29:11
Speaker 1: that kills me. If you see a strange man lurking
29:15
Speaker 1: in the dark in a utility closet with a surgical
29:18
Speaker 1: mask on, that is bizarre and scary. And then there
29:22
Speaker 1: is a gorilla cart left there and it's just still there.
29:26
Speaker 2: No one.
29:27
Speaker 3: Is this?
29:28
Speaker 2: Inside the building?
29:29
Speaker 1: Yes, this is inside the building. This is his dry run.
29:31
Speaker 1: He obviously got inside the building and he's probably scoping
29:35
Speaker 1: it out in the restroom and the closet. And he's
29:38
Speaker 1: going to leave his gorilla cart. So he must have
29:40
Speaker 1: just parked his Toyota Tundra, brought in the box, goes
29:43
Speaker 1: in a utility closet, is dressed in scrubs and has
29:47
Speaker 1: a surgical mask on. A custodian finds him hiding in
29:51
Speaker 1: the closet with his surgical mask on and a big
29:54
Speaker 1: box with a gorilla cart in it. And she thinks
29:56
Speaker 1: it's creepy and weird.
29:57
Speaker 3: Maybe that's not a dry run. Maybe he was going
29:59
Speaker 3: to try to do it that day and then he
30:01
Speaker 3: got spooked.
30:01
Speaker 1: Maybe.
30:02
Speaker 2: Maybe.
30:03
Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about the trial. Let's talk
30:06
Speaker 1: about the things that were presented. So a fingerprint at
30:09
Speaker 1: the scene matched Kozlowski's left index finger. You know, you
30:13
Speaker 1: could have said, though, I don't know, because he's representing himself,
30:16
Speaker 1: but clearly he was there for a deposition. So you
30:18
Speaker 1: could have said that the fingerprint was left when he
30:20
Speaker 1: was there for a deposition. He had been inside. He
30:23
Speaker 1: had legitimately been inside that law firm prior to the murder.
30:28
Speaker 1: So that would have been a good way to explain
30:30
Speaker 1: that his fingerprints were in the bathroom. DNA from the
30:33
Speaker 1: bathroom drain, door, and paper towels match Cozy and or
30:37
Speaker 1: Kozowski at the highest level of support. The tundra tailgate
30:41
Speaker 1: swab matched Cozy, and the garage floor and Corolla trunk
30:44
Speaker 1: held a mixture of both men's DNA. Okay, the bathroom
30:47
Speaker 1: you can kind of explain away, not the blood, but
30:49
Speaker 1: you can explain why his DNA or fingerprints would be
30:53
Speaker 1: in the bathroom because he had been there previously. However,
30:56
Speaker 1: you cannot really explain away the fact that Cozy's blood
30:59
Speaker 1: and DNA is found in your vehicle.
31:00
Speaker 2: Right. On a bulletproof vest or whatever it was.
31:04
Speaker 1: The medical examiner noted that the body in the video
31:07
Speaker 1: about one and a half hours after the incident was
31:09
Speaker 1: still pliable and concluded that Cozy is dead by homicide.
31:13
Speaker 1: That was another question I had. Can you just fold
31:16
Speaker 1: the body up and put it into there? Or I
31:18
Speaker 1: doubt he, I mean, he didn't have time to like
31:20
Speaker 1: dismember this guy.
31:21
Speaker 2: I don't, I, that's above my pay grade. I have
31:24
Speaker 2: no idea how murders like that take place. Yeah.
31:26
Speaker 1: I mean, we know he incapacitated him with the sexal,
31:29
Speaker 1: sexal choline.
31:32
Speaker 3: You know, I guess if a person is truly out
31:35
Speaker 3: and there's no pain to be felt, then you can
31:37
Speaker 3: kind of.
31:38
Speaker 2: Fold him up? Yeah, I mean, was he a slim guy?
31:41
Speaker 1: I've seen photos of him. He just seemed like a regular...
31:43
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't overweight.
31:44
Speaker 2: I don't know.
31:46
Speaker 1: All right, Kozlowski himself had scratches on his hands and
31:49
Speaker 1: stomach and bruising to his bicep after the arrest. I
31:54
Speaker 1: know they took a photo of him naked. I saw
31:55
Speaker 1: a photo of him standing in his underwear naked. But
31:57
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If he had bruises and scratches from cozy,
32:01
Speaker 1: that means that there was a fight that happened in
32:03
Speaker 1: the bathroom.
32:04
Speaker 3: Or it could have been him moving the body and
32:05
Speaker 3: it was difficult. Like when he transferred from car to car.
32:09
Speaker 1: Right.
32:10
Speaker 2: That's true. Something. All right.
32:12
Speaker 1: The state rest after testimony from 56 witnesses.
32:17
Speaker 2: None of which were cross-examined. I think he did.
32:19
Speaker 1: Finally cross-examine some of them. I saw some of the
32:22
Speaker 1: trial footage. I did see him. I believe there was
32:26
Speaker 1: an investigator that was testifying as to how they believe
32:30
Speaker 1: that he removed the body with a cart.
32:33
Speaker 2: Oh, like how it could have been possible.
32:34
Speaker 1: And then Kozlowski was cross-examining him saying, why don't you
32:38
Speaker 1: show us? Like, how would I have lifted the body?
32:40
Speaker 3: But did you see me move the cart? Were you there?
32:43
Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing you.
32:45
Speaker 2: Oops. Strike.
32:49
Speaker 1: All right. September 23rd, we're closing arguments. Kazowski opted out
32:53
Speaker 1: of a jury trial and wanted a bench trial. I
32:56
Speaker 1: don't know if that, if either one really would have.
32:59
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not a very likable guy. I need
33:02
Speaker 3: like a hardened.
33:02
Speaker 2: Judge to go over this case.
33:04
Speaker 1: I just need to.
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Speaker 2: Convince one person, not 12. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: A guy that probably has seen it all. That's why
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Speaker 3: you want a bench trial sometimes. Sometimes because it's too sophisticated, right?
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Speaker 3: Like there's too much application of the law. Or there's
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Speaker 3: something complex like discovery issues.
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Speaker 1: So you would opt for the bench trial.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: All right. Well, he opted for the bench trial.
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Speaker 2: Because he's probably not a likable guy.
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Speaker 1: In closing arguments, Judge Boulogne finds Tomasz Kozlowski guilty in
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Speaker 1: just 15 minutes. I know he goes back to deliberate.
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Speaker 2: He went back. He went back and had a sandwich.
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Speaker 2: He checked his social Instagram. Had a bologna sandwich. Caught
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Speaker 2: up on some things. And then his alarm went off.
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Speaker 2: And he's like, okay.
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Speaker 1: All right, October 8th is the next hearing. A Spencer
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Speaker 1: hearing is scheduled ahead of sentencing. A Spencer hearing is
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Speaker 1: a special legal proceeding in Florida where a judge hears
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Speaker 1: final evidence and arguments before deciding whether to sentence a
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Speaker 1: defendant to death or life in prison. So we know
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Speaker 1: that the prosecution was asking for the death penalty. And
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Speaker 1: we know that the judge found him guilty of murder.
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Speaker 1: So now the next hearing is called a Spencer hearing
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Speaker 1: where both sides will argue. Obviously, the prosecution is going
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Speaker 1: to argue for the death penalty. I don't know. And
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Speaker 1: then he represents himself. So I don't know how he's
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Speaker 1: going to argue.
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Speaker 2: He's going to say, Your Honor, I do not want
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Speaker 2: to die.
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Speaker 1: I do not want to have the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: I'm enjoying my new cell. Things are looking up.
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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see. We will continue to follow
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Speaker 1: that hearing on October 8th, and we will see what
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Speaker 1: the judge decides as far as the penalty sentencing phase.
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Speaker 2: I predict death penalty.
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Speaker 1: You predict death penalty?
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Speaker 2: What state is this again? Florida. Oh, I predict death penalty.
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Speaker 1: Definitely yes to the death penalty. Okay, before we end this, again,
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Speaker 1: what do you think happened in the bathrooms?
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Speaker 2: Uh i mean like number one or number two no i.
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Speaker 1: Mean like what do you how do you think it's
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Speaker 1: a small amount of time that he's in there.
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Speaker 3: I you know what i'm gonna be honest your questions
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Speaker 3: are frustrating because i i don't know either i wish
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Speaker 3: i knew how did he and why is he like
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Speaker 3: hiding in this utility closet and everyone's just like this
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Speaker 3: strange man's walking around with a wagon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that's weird And then he would have had to
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Speaker 2: take in the wagon.
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Speaker 1: So when he comes back on the actual day of
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Speaker 1: the crime, he would have to move the utility wagon
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Speaker 1: from the utility closet to the bathroom.
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Speaker 2: And do people not see that in the hallway?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I understand this is a small law firm,
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Speaker 1: but don't you feel like someone would have seen, unless
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Speaker 1: like you said, where you just, you're pulling the wagon with.
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Speaker 2: Confidence that people.
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Speaker 3: Maybe you put birthday cake in the conference room and
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Speaker 3: told everyone like there's free.
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Speaker 2: Cake in the conference room. And you know how those
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Speaker 2: offices are. Everyone starts running, eating cake. Yeah. And then
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Speaker 2: he slips out the back.
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Speaker 1: But he slips into the bathroom with a utility card.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: And then cozy leaves his, he's has an open draft open. He's,
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Speaker 1: he's working on his computer. I know he leaves to
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Speaker 1: go to the restroom. And then while he's in the restroom,
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Speaker 1: he's incapacitated or there's some kind of struggle that takes place,
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Speaker 1: which nobody seems to hear or know about. And then
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Speaker 1: he murders him in the bathroom. We don't know how,
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Speaker 1: cause we never found the body, but I assume maybe
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Speaker 1: he stabbed him cause there's blood. So he didn't fire
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Speaker 1: a gun.
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Speaker 2: Right? Are we going over this case again? I have
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Speaker 2: no idea.
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to walk through it in my mind.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out. He must have stabbed him.
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Speaker 1: He must have used a knife and stabbed him in
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Speaker 1: the bathroom. And then he must have picked his body
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Speaker 1: up and somehow got it into the cart. And then
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Speaker 1: maybe he had cleaning supplies in the cart already.
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Speaker 2: That's stressful. Like you, like. You're stressed. When I have
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Speaker 2: to like, like, oh, she's gonna be home soon. I
36:42
Speaker 2: better hurry up and clean the dishes.
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Speaker 3: Like this guy's like, I better hide the body and
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Speaker 3: all this blood everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Cause someone might come in. Right.
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Speaker 1: Cause I don't think you.
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Speaker 2: And it's almost 1030. I don't know if he, I
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Speaker 2: have a hearing. Yes.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he locked the bathroom. Like how
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Speaker 1: did he make sure that no one else walked in
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Speaker 1: in the middle of his murder scene?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know either.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I have so many questions.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But it sounds like. He was very close to a
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Speaker 3: perfect murder. He had some parts. No, you have a
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Speaker 3: million questions. You have no idea how he got.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. He did all that he did. Right. He just
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Speaker 2: didn't clean up after himself. That's the part I don't understand.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how he made all of that work,
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Speaker 1: how he managed to.
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Speaker 2: He probably got away with it. He's like, holy crap.
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Speaker 2: I just got away with it.
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Speaker 1: And made it to my hearing.
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Speaker 2: And so he went in and he was. Sloppy after that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He got cocky. Yeah. It's like, I pulled that off.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Let me just leave DNA all over the car and
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Speaker 1: blood evidence in my succinylcholine vial here.
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Speaker 2: All right. All right.
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Speaker 1: Well, I would love to hear your guys' theories on
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