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The Kenny Report | 12 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it tonight at Militant Union's thuggies threats
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  Speaker 3: that are so bad They've got me defending afl umpires,
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  Speaker 3: the climate walls heat up, and I'll take you through
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese's presser today to expose the nonsense that Labor,
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  Speaker 3: the Greens and the Tills are trying to spread. Another
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  Speaker 3: court conviction rocks US politics with Hunter Biden found guilty
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  Speaker 3: on firearms chargers. I reckon this is just as bad
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  Speaker 3: as the Trump case, anti Israel protests and the rise
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  Speaker 3: of anti Semitism. How much of the hate is fueled
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  Speaker 3: by ignorance? I'll ask a visiting expert. Also COVID overreach
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  Speaker 3: with Pauline Hansen and Alex Antik, plus the Wednesday Rangle.
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  Speaker 3: Will Justin or Liz go into bat for Hunter Biden. First,
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  Speaker 3: let me take you some breaking news. Just minutes ago,
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  Speaker 3: the former NRL star Jared Hayne, the former Paradis Paramatta
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  Speaker 3: Eels legend, has been freed from jail.
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  Speaker 2: He was released from the.
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  Speaker 3: Lid Correction Center in Western Sydney just moments ago after
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  Speaker 3: his sexual assault conviction was overturned today on Appial. There
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  Speaker 3: you are Jared Haynes, thirty six years old, now former
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  Speaker 3: NRL star, had to go at the NFL in the
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  Speaker 3: US as well, now freed to go on with his life.
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  Speaker 3: That is Breaking News will have more on that throughout
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  Speaker 3: the evening here on Sky News Live. Let's get into
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  Speaker 3: the program. The climate wars continue and I've got to
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  Speaker 3: say some of the political debate and the way it
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  Speaker 3: is covered in the media does my head in. I
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  Speaker 3: saw some of the coverage on the news programs last
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  Speaker 3: night and like Lemmings, the media is pretending that Australia's
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  Speaker 3: twenty thirty target really matters. Labor pretends it does, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but it most definitely does not. It matters only for
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  Speaker 3: phony political debate. If you're skeptical about climate alarmism and
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  Speaker 3: realistic about Australia's role in global climate emissions, you'll know
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  Speaker 3: none of our targets really matter at all. But if
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  Speaker 3: you reckon the world needs to reduce emissions and get
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  Speaker 3: to net zero, and that this country needs to do
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  Speaker 3: its bit as a responsible global citizen, then the point
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  Speaker 3: that matters is that all political parties and especially the
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  Speaker 3: major parties, Labor and the Coalition, Well, they're all committed
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  Speaker 3: to net zero by twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: That's the goal, twenty five years to get to net zero.
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  Speaker 3: The only other things that matter are how you get
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  Speaker 3: there and what the cost will be. I mean, either
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  Speaker 3: you continue an expensive and failing experiment in renewables plus storage,
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  Speaker 3: as Labor says we should do, or you bring in
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  Speaker 3: nuclear energy, as the Coalition promises, using a proven emissions
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  Speaker 3: free technology that more than ten twenty of the world's
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  Speaker 3: largest economies not only used now but plan to increase
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  Speaker 3: three times.
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  Speaker 2: Over to get to net zero.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, just to highlight the nonsense put about at the moment,
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  Speaker 3: I thought i'd show you some highlights from the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister's media conference today and explain a few facts around them.
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  Speaker 3: Most of the media just run his lines without the
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  Speaker 3: facts and without exposing the buncom So let's start with
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Alberanezi on the coalition's declaration not to bother with
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  Speaker 3: the twenty thirty target, because twenty fifty is what matters,
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  Speaker 3: and they'll need time to get nuclear up and running.
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  Speaker 4: This is an extraordinary failure of leadership from Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 4: at Chase, he's not up to the job of being
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  Speaker 4: the alternative prime minister of this country.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no prime minister on the contrary.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly this is leadership going along with you, going along
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  Speaker 3: with Labor and the Greens. That would not be leadership,
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  Speaker 3: that would be acquiescence. Dutton is showing obvious leadership and
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  Speaker 3: he's providing a real alternative policy and therefore alternative leadership
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  Speaker 3: for the nation. Now have a listened to Alberanzi's next
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  Speaker 3: spray A tortured analogy. If I've ever heard one, trying
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  Speaker 3: a little bit too hard, I think it goes on
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  Speaker 3: a bit, but have a look.
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  Speaker 4: It's a bit like someone getting on a plane at
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  Speaker 4: the New Airport on one of those mystery flights where
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  Speaker 4: you don't know where you're going to go.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know what the destination is.
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  Speaker 4: You think you're going to one direction, but you find
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  Speaker 4: yourself on the other part of Australia or the other
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  Speaker 4: part of the world, and you can't you can't get
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  Speaker 4: off your flight until twenty forty because that's when the
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  Speaker 4: nuclear fantasy will land, if they can find a location,
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  Speaker 4: if they can find someone who'll fund a nuclear power plant.
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  Speaker 4: Until then you're going to have to parachute out of
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  Speaker 4: the plane and take pot luck at where you land.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, you're on a mystery flight
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  Speaker 3: till twenty forty and you need a parachute.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: With a nickname like Airbus Elbow, you think you'd avoid
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  Speaker 3: airline gags. But the analogy is just so plainly wrong
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  Speaker 3: because the destination is absolutely known. The destination is net
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  Speaker 3: zero by twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 2: So Albo, let me explain.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you're flying to Paris by one route and
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  Speaker 3: Dutton's flying to Paris. Vied you buy, you both reckon.
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  Speaker 3: You'll get to Paris. So that's the destination. But to
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  Speaker 3: be fair to Albow, he says he'll get there via
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  Speaker 3: a renewables plus storage route that no one's tried before.
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  Speaker 3: It's like Albow's going to Paris via Antarctica. We're a
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  Speaker 3: lot more likely to get there following the tried and
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  Speaker 3: tested Dutton route. Still, the PM had plenty more to say.
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  Speaker 4: The world is moving, the global economy is transitioning to
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  Speaker 4: clean energy, and Australia has a comparative advantage.
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  Speaker 3: Firstly, no, the world is not transitioning Australia is ahead
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  Speaker 3: of the game already with our emissions cuts. Global emissions
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  Speaker 3: are increasing by about the total emissions of Australia every year,
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  Speaker 3: driven by big growth in countries like China and India,
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  Speaker 3: where they are building many, many new coal fired generators.
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  Speaker 3: Australia's comparative advantage is actually well known. We have abundant
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  Speaker 3: energy resources coal, gas and uranium, where one of the
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  Speaker 3: world's largest exporters of all three, and rather than take
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  Speaker 3: advantage of our comparative advantage, Labor and alban Easy aim
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  Speaker 3: to make sure we do not use any of those
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  Speaker 3: resources in this country. Its madness, it's national self harm. Still,
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  Speaker 3: it's clear that Prime Minister is really focused on attacking Dutton.
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  Speaker 4: Peter Dutton is isolated in the Nordy corner and wants
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  Speaker 4: us to join Iran, Yemen and Libya as countries outside
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  Speaker 4: the Paris Accord and outside climate action.
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  Speaker 3: Well, some would say this attack is based on misinformation
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  Speaker 3: or an untruth or spin.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll call it what it is. It's a lie.
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  Speaker 3: Albanesi is saying Dutton will abandon the Paris Accord, but
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  Speaker 3: as you know, the Coalition is sticking to the Paris
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  Speaker 3: accord and sticking to the Paris target of net zero
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  Speaker 3: by twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and as for.
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  Speaker 3: Joining Iran, Yemen and Libya, it was Albanesi who joined
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  Speaker 3: those three countries. It was the Albanese labor government that
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  Speaker 3: joined those shocking countries in the disgraceful United Nations vote
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  Speaker 3: about Palestinian statehood. Still, let's get back to climate change.
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  Speaker 3: Albanzi went on with the usual nutty alarmism.
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  Speaker 4: This is about our economy, it's about our jobs, but
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  Speaker 4: it's also about our environment. Since I've been Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 4: I have attended natural disasters in New South Wales, Tasmania,
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  Speaker 4: the Kimberley, the Adelaide Riverland, Northern Tasmania, the Gold Coast, Inland,
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  Speaker 4: Far North Queensland. We are a country that is prone
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  Speaker 4: to extreme weather events, and climate change is making those
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  Speaker 4: extreme weather events more intense and more frequent.
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  Speaker 3: Scary country. I wonder why anybody would want to live here.
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  Speaker 3: More misinformation, they're more spin, untruths and lies. Albanese is
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  Speaker 3: firstly pretending that natural disasters are getting worse.
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  Speaker 2: They are not. That's the fact.
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  Speaker 3: Plenty of scientists, to be fair, suggest they will get worse.
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  Speaker 3: But there's no evidence that that is actually happening. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: there's clear evidence that cyclones, for instance, are getting.
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  Speaker 2: Rarer and less damaging.
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  Speaker 3: And as for permanent drought, well, when's the last time
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  Speaker 3: Tim Flannery was brave enough to poke his head up?
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  Speaker 3: And also, of course, even if the climate was getting worse,
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  Speaker 3: there is no way that what Australia does between now
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  Speaker 3: and twenty thirty can make one iota of difference. To
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  Speaker 3: suggest that our twenty thirty target could influence the climate
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  Speaker 3: is about as unscientific as you can get. It means
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  Speaker 3: you will happily abandon facts, science and reality in favor
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  Speaker 3: of a motive and baseless fear mongering, and that just
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  Speaker 3: about sums up the approach from Labor, the Greens, and
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  Speaker 3: the teals in these climate wars. Their hypocrisy is exposed
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  Speaker 3: by their antipathy towards nuclear energy.
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  Speaker 2: If they were.
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  Speaker 3: Really worried about the CLI and really committed to a
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  Speaker 3: strong economy with reliable power, they'd be feverishly promoting nuclear
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  Speaker 3: power the way that the political left do in Europe.
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  Speaker 3: But they're not really about saving the planet or delivering
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  Speaker 3: a renewable energy superpower. They're about playing politics and they're
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  Speaker 3: about trying to play voters for fools. Now, Labour has
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  Speaker 3: done such a terrible thing by giving in to militant unions,
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  Speaker 3: and the unions have gotten so far out of control
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  Speaker 3: with their thuggery and their threats, that I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: do something I thought i'd never do. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: publicly back the afl umpiring boss. Most days, I'd be
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  Speaker 3: at the front of the pack calling calling him out
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  Speaker 3: for not ensuring that the umpires have any feel for
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  Speaker 3: the game, and for making parts of the game a
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  Speaker 3: technical mess and most importantly costing my team games, including
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  Speaker 3: a deserved place in last years finals, with clear cut
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  Speaker 3: mistakes that often come with an apology but always seemed
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  Speaker 3: to accidentally favor Victorian teams.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm, interesting that, but we do move on eventually. Now.
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  Speaker 3: The afl umpiring boss is Stephen McBurney, a former umpire
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  Speaker 3: himself and a successful lawyer who was Commissioner of the
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  Speaker 3: Australian Building and Construction Commission until Labor abolished it soon
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  Speaker 3: after taking office. In that job, McBurney took on the
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  Speaker 3: militant unions who were the bully boys of this construction industry,
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  Speaker 3: and especially of course, the notorious CFMEU, a powerful union
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  Speaker 3: that exercises its muscle on construction sites in protests and strikes,
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  Speaker 3: has been prosecuted under dozens of criminal charges and actually
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  Speaker 3: backs the socialist left faction.
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  Speaker 2: Of the Labor Party. Some of the legal action.
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  Speaker 3: Overseen by McBurney when he was commissioner cost the union
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  Speaker 3: millions of dollars in fines and now controversial CFMEU boss
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  Speaker 3: John Setka has threatened the AFL, saying its construction projects
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  Speaker 3: might run into trouble in the future if they leave
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  Speaker 3: the former building commissioner in charge of umpiring. This is
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  Speaker 3: a pretty intimidating threat. Just listen to what Setka told
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  Speaker 3: The Australian. He said, this is going to cost the
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  Speaker 3: AFL a lot of effing money. I hope it's worth it.
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  Speaker 3: Projects without our full cooperation are going to be in
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  Speaker 3: for an effering misery for them. They will regret the
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  Speaker 3: day they ever employed him, obviously referring to mcbernie, what
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  Speaker 3: a disgraceful attack.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: AFL related construction projects include a new seven hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty million dollar stadium to be built in Hobart to
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  Speaker 3: house the incoming Tasmanian team, and a major new one
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  Speaker 3: hundred million dollar headquarters for the Adelaide Crows in Adelaide,
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  Speaker 3: and there'll be more projec No doubt that the CFMEU
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  Speaker 3: has its eyes on.
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  Speaker 1: I wont not make it any threat. So we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about exposing people. I mean, people like McBurney can't attack
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  Speaker 1: workers and their conditions and be so undemocratic. They make
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  Speaker 1: in North Korea look like a democracy and then just
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  Speaker 1: right off into the sunset like nothing's ever happened. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there is going to be consequences.
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  Speaker 3: This is outrageous bullying by the union. In footy terms,
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  Speaker 3: they're playing the man and not the ball. This is
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  Speaker 3: exactly the sort of union thuggery that made the ABCC
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  Speaker 3: or the Building and Construction Commission necessary, and it's exactly
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  Speaker 3: why Anthony Alberezi and Labor did the wrong thing by
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  Speaker 3: abolishing it. They were just caved into its union masters
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  Speaker 3: by scrapping the Construction Commission.
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  Speaker 2: And now the union thuggery is let off the leash.
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  Speaker 5: Intimidation has no place in the workplace, and you've got
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  Speaker 5: a union leader who gives four and a half million
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  Speaker 5: dollars a year to the Labor Party through the CFMU
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  Speaker 5: and the Prime Minister, of course, has nothing to say
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  Speaker 5: about it. Well, I think all the demonstrates is how
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  Speaker 5: weak in an ept the prime Minister is, and I
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  Speaker 5: think most Austrailers starting to see that now as well.
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  Speaker 4: I removed John Seka from the Labor Party many years
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  Speaker 4: ago as one of my first acts as leader.
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  Speaker 3: And there's the Prime Minister, Anthony Alberzi, as Peter Dutton said,
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  Speaker 3: saying nothing about those threats against the AFL.
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  Speaker 2: Now, listen also.
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  Speaker 3: To how pathetic the Victorian Labor government is on this.
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  Speaker 4: This is a matter between the CFMU and the AFL
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  Speaker 4: for them to resolve it does appear to be a
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  Speaker 4: bit of overreach.
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  Speaker 2: A bit of overreach.
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  Speaker 3: This is just extraordinary that a government minister would describe
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  Speaker 3: it in that way.
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  Speaker 2: This is Bobba Boy tactics.
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  Speaker 3: Now, so far the AFL is hanging tough and standing
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  Speaker 3: by its umpiring boss, and so it should. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: the question is will Albanzi do any thing to reign
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  Speaker 3: in a union that's out of control and declaring its
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: intention to play outside the rules. After Labor scrapped the ABCC,
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  Speaker 3: it leaves the alban Easy government having to exert some
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  Speaker 3: sort of control over the unions and having Labor oversee
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  Speaker 3: the unions is like trying to play a game of
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  Speaker 3: footy without any umpires. Let's got to one nation leader
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  Speaker 3: Paul Enhanson now joining us live from Queensland. Good to
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  Speaker 3: talk to you, pauland you must have a view on this,
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  Speaker 3: this sort of thuggery from the CFMEMEU against the AFL,
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  Speaker 3: effectively saying that they're going to cost their money and
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  Speaker 3: slow down projects just because of who they chose to
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  Speaker 3: employ as their umpiring boss.
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  Speaker 6: Chris I couldn't agree through more. I've seen thugree that's
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  Speaker 6: happened in the Parliament with the Labor Party. They've the
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  Speaker 6: ABCC that was brought in to help the workers out there,
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  Speaker 6: not the workers, but the businesses and these contractors and
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: people who had to face their unions and their thugree
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  Speaker 6: and bullying and it was addressed, and then the Labor
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  Speaker 6: Party came in and undid it. All these people that
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  Speaker 6: elected parme with the minister or positions that's all handpicked
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  Speaker 6: by the Labor Party as well by the unions. I
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  Speaker 6: should say, who's con dictating to the Prime Minister, Who,
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  Speaker 6: what factions sit in what seeks? It is unbelievable. And again,
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  Speaker 6: if you come to election time, people sue superannuation funds.
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  Speaker 6: Through the Labor superannuation funds, a lot of it comes
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  Speaker 6: to prop up the Labor Party. So people are actually
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  Speaker 6: funding the Labor Party through the superinnovation funds. And this
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  Speaker 6: is the unions again, they've got too much control in
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  Speaker 6: this country. They dictate the terms to the Labor Party,
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  Speaker 6: the Labor Party and the Prime Minister that won't do
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  Speaker 6: anything about it because they depend on the funds that
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  Speaker 6: goes to them, and that's what it's all about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a shocker and we'll keep a close eye
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  Speaker 3: on that one as well. I want to get back
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  Speaker 3: to the climate wars that they're off again. It's like
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  Speaker 3: it's two thousand and seven all over again.
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  Speaker 2: You'd be pleased, presumably.
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  Speaker 3: That the coalition isn't going to bother with the target
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  Speaker 3: for twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 2: But you don't agree with the zero.
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  Speaker 3: Target for twenty fifty, the big one that really most
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  Speaker 3: countries have signed up to.
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  Speaker 6: No, I don't, Chris. I see our country going down
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  Speaker 6: the gurglar. I see it going down the drain. We'll
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  Speaker 6: lose in industries, manufacturing when you've got your big big
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  Speaker 6: countries like Russia, China, UK, USA and India. These are
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  Speaker 6: the ones the biggest emitters with the European unions, that
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  Speaker 6: six of them that are the biggest missions emitters in
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  Speaker 6: the world, not even meeting their targets. We've been told
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  Speaker 6: to meet our targets. Yep, we've got Chine've spoken about this,
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  Speaker 6: how many times thirty percent emissions then you had and
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: over all this emissions. Now they're attacking that. They'll attack
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  Speaker 6: the cattle herds and as Ireland did. They culled about
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  Speaker 6: one hundred and sixty tow one hundred and seventy thousand
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  Speaker 6: cattle just to reduce their emissions. So they prefer to
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: starve a nation don't have food on the table. The
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  Speaker 6: farming sector has been been attacked also. But they're all
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  Speaker 6: worried about carbon emissions, which is a joke, which is
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  Speaker 6: normal and the world Chris, when are we really going
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  Speaker 6: to have a clear debate on this from the scientists
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  Speaker 6: instead of the fear hungering goes on all the time.
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  Speaker 6: This is used as a vote catcher. We're going to
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  Speaker 6: see our country destroyed, We're seeing cost of living going up,
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  Speaker 6: all because of what it just frustrates me to know,
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  Speaker 6: and Chris and nothing too. Why don't we look at
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  Speaker 6: the atomic bombs that have gone off, all the wars
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  Speaker 6: that are happening around the world. Now, look at the
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: million volcanic eruptions under the ocean beds. Now, there's a
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: million active volcanoes underneath the waters now, our oceans. All
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  Speaker 6: these things affect our climate, not emissions or cattle farting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are trying to pretend that somehow we can
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  Speaker 3: control it all, which is fascical when you talk about
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  Speaker 3: the role of the the role of those natural factors
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  Speaker 3: such as volcanoes and the like. The point is, I
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  Speaker 3: think the interesting thing here is by not subjecting himself
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  Speaker 3: to these nearer term targets, by talking about twenty fifty,
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  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton has a lot more time to talk about
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  Speaker 3: and probe those issues such as agriculture and transport. Because
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  Speaker 3: with nuclear if you come up with a plausible nuclear plan, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we can have an emissions free power grid in this
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  Speaker 3: country which will be reliable and affordable into the long term.
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  Speaker 3: Take a lot of work, take a lot of time
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  Speaker 3: to get it in place, but we know that can
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  Speaker 3: and will work. We only have to look at France
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  Speaker 3: and other countries to understand that. But how on earth
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  Speaker 3: you get farming and transport down to net zero? That
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  Speaker 3: is impossible without either causing an enormous amount of pain
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  Speaker 3: for everybody or destroying our economy.
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  Speaker 6: Chris, don't forget. I asked Penny Wong the question for
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: a parliament to explain net zero to me. She couldn't.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: I don't even know what the hell they're talking about.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: Like I said, if Peter Dalton ends up as the
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Prime Minister of this country and he needs votes, I
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: promise the people that I will back him on nuclear
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: power to actually bring it into Australia. We have to
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: have it. We've got to have it. And the fact
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: is that the Labor Party heading down this path is
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: only going to extend more pain and misery to their
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: rich family out there, businesses shutting shop, they're going overseas.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: We are destroying our economy for what. They've never really
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: antwered that either, why we destroying our economy, our standard
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: living and a coostal being for what?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for what?
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: That's why they pretend it'll be the end of bushfires
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and cyclones and whatever.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: It's insane.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us Pauline, I appreciate your time, Pauling
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Hands in their live from Queenstown. I'm going to get
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to a break on the other side, I'm going to
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: look at the rise of anti Semitism and the naivety
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: of Union University protesters.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Going to catch up with Jewish author Ben Freeman.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Now we've got to keep talking about anti Semitism, the
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: lies and deceptions of the pro Palestinian protesters, often fueled
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: of course by hatred and ignorance, and the week to
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: non existent response we often get from authorities and the
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: so called political leaders. Take a look at this Fox
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: News report about what's been plying out in New York City.
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: Anti Israel protesters clashed with NYPD officers Monday night in
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: downtown Manhattan, setting off flares and smoke bombs and what organizers.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Called a day of rage.
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: Terrorist sympathizers proudly waived the flags of terror organizations Hasblah
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: and hamas Amidshear's protesters called for an intafada, largely understood
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: to be a call for violence against Jews. The protests
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: taking place outside of a building hosting an exhibit honoring
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: the three hundred and sixty four people Hamas murdered at
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Nova Music Festival on October seventh. Ta Shimoni survived that
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: festival and was inside the exhibit during the protest.
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: I felt like I'm back in October seventh and I
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: got a panic attack.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I mentioned that protest on the program last night, just
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: to compelling report there is and it let me bring
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: in Ben Freeman, a Jewish author whose work focuses on
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: combating anti Semitism and raising awareness of the Holocaust. Thanks
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: for joining us, Ben, and I hope you're enjoying your
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: stay in Australia. My key question to you is we're
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: seeing this hatred, the Israeli hatred of the pro Palestinian protesters,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: which I see is a little different from the sort
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: of anti Semitism that's more deeply ingrained in Western countries.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Do both of them feed off ignorance?
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me,
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: and I think that's a fantastic question. And I think
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: what people really need to understand about anti semitism is
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: that it always shipshifts fit the zeitgeist. It's always changing
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: and always evolving. So what we're seeing today is just
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: a modern manifestation of those ancient ideas that you refer to.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: And if we break down the kind of libels and
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: tropes that are attributed to Israel, they're remarkably similar to
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: the libels and tropes that were attributed to Jewish communities
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: one hundred years ago, and indeed even a thousand years ago.
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: And that's kind of the remarkable thing about anti Semitism
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: because not only does it change, is it always retains
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: its original form. So anti Zionism, which is what we're
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: seeing right now, this kind of obsessive hatred of Israel
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: is a post Holocaust form of anti Semitism.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look at there are links.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: There are modern links to this in the public divid
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: that sometimes stand. May I want to show you something
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: that we got from social media. It's quite recent, I think.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: But this is an African American man who you would
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: think would therefore now something about past injustices and discrimination
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: and listen to what he's saying to support.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Us of Israel. Yeah, this is just extraordinary, this level
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of hydred.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: How can normally civilized people who you know, weeks months ago,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: we're living side by side in cities around the Western
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: world suddenly conjure up that kind of hatred.
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: As you say it truly is extraordinary. And I think
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: what we're seeing is a couple of things. One is
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: we're seeing mob rule, and there are people who are
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: mindless drones essentially, who are being swept along, and sometimes
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: they think they're doing right because they just do not know.
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: And then there is the group who are nefarious, they're
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: specifically bad faith actors, and they're mobilizing and driving this hatred,
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: spreading it through social media of course TikTok, but also
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: on the streets and at universities. You know, we've seen
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: it in this country. We've also seen it in the
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: UK where I live. In the United States, these universities,
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: which should be halls of higher learning and discussion and
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: debate and dialogue have become centers of dogma, and discussion
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: has been outlawed, and you have to subscribe to a
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: specific set of ideals. And really what we need to
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: understand is that Western civilization is under threat, you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: the ideals which kind of make up Western civilization, discussion, debate, dialogue, liberalism.
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: They're being threatened by this movement. And of course it
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: specifically targets Jews as well. And I know that Jewish
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: students in this country and again in these other countries,
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: they feel unsafe. Not in every single course of course.
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: You know, I know students who were doing maths and
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: they felt more safe because it's generally the humanities which
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: are the problem. But young Jewish people are not necessarily
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: attending their university. In America, we had a situation where
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: people were told to study online. Now that is truly
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: an aston astonishing situation for twenty twenty four and it's
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: been allowed to happen. The universities are not acting nearly
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: as swiftly as they need to in my opinion.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very important point. This is one I looked
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: at in some detail last night, that this is really
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: an attack against the true values and character of a
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Western civilization, against the tolerance and liberalism, that it's the
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: core of all our democracies, and we've got to keep
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: making that point. I just want to show you some
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: pictures here of approaches that go to this lack of
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: rationality in this debate, and we've seen this right around
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the world. This is queers for Palestine people saying that
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: they are members of the lgt BQ community, yet they're
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: for Palestine. Now I know you've done the work, a
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: lot of work with the Jewish Pride movement.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Tell us about how insane that is.
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: Well, as you say, it's insane, and it's a deeply
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: unfortunate byproduct of the kind of leftist view that the
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: world is split into oppressed and oppressor, and it's very banary.
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: And what we see is in the left people standing
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: with people who are classed as the oppressed, even if
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: they themselves are oppressors, to very narrow over a binary view,
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: and it's astonishing. And they make me specifically angry as
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: an LGBTQ plus person because not only do they deny
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: the fact that Israel is one of the best places
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: in Asia to be an LGBTQ plus person, but they
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: also ignore the reality of LGBTQ plus Palestinians. And there
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: are LGBTQ plus people living in the Palestinian territory who
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: are oppressed, who are afraid of their lives, and they're
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: being ignored, and that, truly, to me, is a betrayal
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: of epic proportion. And of course it's not it's absolutely
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: acceptable to stand with Palestinians, but to do that you
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: would need to call for the removal of Hamas. So
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: whether you're specifically supporting all Palestinians or indeed just LGBTQ
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: plus Palestinians, what is in their interest is for Hamas,
• 27:47
  Speaker 9: a genocidal, dictator, terrorist organization to be removed, and that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: not what we're seeing. So really it leads me to
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: the conclusion that the people who refer to themselves as
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: queers for Palestine are indeed really any of the people
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: who are standing with the Palestinians and invert commas don't
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: actually care about Palestinian people, and that's part of the tragedy.
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: They're using the Palestinians as a step to beat the
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: Jews with, even if they're doing it inavertently, as we said,
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: because of mob rule. But I think that the Queerest
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: for Palestine are specifically an nefarious group of people who
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: are betraying.
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: They're on group, they're on collective. It's astonishing, it is
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: just astonishing. Thanks so much for joining us, Ben, I
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: really appreciate your insights. Ben Freeman there, who's an author.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: He's book out at the moment is Jewish Pride rebuilding
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: a people. We might try and catch up with him.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know how long he's in Australia and talk
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: about this further, because one of the things he does
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: is get involved in Holocaust education and I think that's
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: absolutely critical and anybody interested in that should visit the
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Sydney Jewish Museum. If you live in Sydney or you're
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: visiting Sydney, go and see that museum, take your kids there.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It's well worthwhile.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I want to get back into federal politics in the
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: climate wars now, and i'm joined by Shadow Resources Minister Susan.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: McDonald live from Britain. Been good to talk to you, Susan.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: The gloves are off, the fighters on.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Tell us about the amount of misinformation that's out there.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: What is the biggest lie of the attacks on the
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: coalition's position in your view?
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: Well, I think the biggest lie is that labor has
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: gone on the attack because they cannot defend the outrageous
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: position that they put Australian families, in Australian businesses jobs
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: in this rush to renewables. The commitments that they've made
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: are seeing prices, electricity prices go up, they're seeing emissions
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: go up under label. We discovered that at COP twenty eight.
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: And who suffers well, it's Australians that suffer. That's the
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: biggest lie is that Labor has a plan. They don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: have a plan, and that's why they've got to attack
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: the Coalition. They are the government, they're responsible for what
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: they're doing. Chris, and as I said, it's Australians who
• 29:56
  Speaker 10: suffer higher electricity prices, jobs being threatened. We suffer even
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: more as Labor tries to double down on its commitments.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: You see.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: The thing that really annoys me, perhaps more than anything,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: is the constant lie we get from the Tills and
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: the Greens and Labor that whatever Australia does, and especially
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: focusing on something as irrelevant, really is our twenty.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Thirty target rather than where we go long term. But
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: they argue that.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Whatever we do on renewable energy, on the twenty thirty target,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: or on what sort of cars we drive, is going
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: to make this country less dangerous in the future. We're
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: going to have fewer floods, or fewer droughts, or fewer
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: cyclones or fewer bushfires. It's such a blatant and brainless lie,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: but they seem to be getting away with it, and
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I fear that some people are listening to that and
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: trusting them and thinking, oh yeah, all right, sure I'll
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: vote for renewable energy.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Because then I won't have to battle bushfires anymore.
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: It is a terrible situation, isn't it to have some
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: people told that, as you say, a lie, and other
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: people who are so financially distressed now that they don't
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: know that, they're not interested in politics. They're just struggling
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: to make choices about keeping food on the table, paying
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: rent and hoping that their job still exists. Because under
• 31:19
  Speaker 10: Labour's energy plan, well it's not an energy plan, it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: a renewables or bust plan, and that is putting Australia
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: in this crazy situation where we can't compete with our
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: trading neighbors. We are at risk of becoming a very
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: principled but very poor country.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And this is coming like a train.
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: Chris, I'm really worried. And Labour's obsession with only talking
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: about the coalition's nuclear plan is because they have no
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: plan of their own. That's what we're seeing. Australians are
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: hurting for it. I think it's not good enough.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and as a shadow Resources minister, you would be
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: acutely aware as well to labor looks at how vast
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: energy resources of coal, gas and uranium, and they're happy
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: to export it, but they aspired to never using any
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: of that in our own country. It is literally the insane.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Susan, and I appreciate it. We're
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: all out of time.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Now we're going to get to a break.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, going to catch up with
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: liberal centator Alex Antik on the COVID overreach and vaccine mandates. Now,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: in recent days you might have seen some reporting about
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: the wash up to the pandemic response playing out in
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: the US, where their COVID supremo Anthony Fauci faced the
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: congressional interrogation. It gave us an incredible insights into how
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: the approach of following so called medical advice sometimes involved
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: very little actual science.
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: Social distancing wasn't based on science, Fauci telling a House
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: committee this week, the idea standing six feet apart quote
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: just sort of appeared. The shocking mission comes nearly four
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: years after statements like this.
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: Every aspect of that ending the COVID outbreak in thirty
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: days has some aspect of it a physical separation, whether
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: that's avoiding crowds, whether that's staying six feet away from people,
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: whether that's doing teleworking, all of it. Does that that's
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: our most important tool.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Hmmm, all based on that medical advice, Hade. Well, we
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: know back here in ours that the curfus in Melbourne,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: for instance, were based on no medical advice whatsoever. But
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: let's hear Fauci explain his social distancing issue.
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: What I meant by no science behind it is that
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: there wasn't a control trial that said compare six foot
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: with three feet with ten feet. So there wasn't that
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: scientific evaluation of it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was, by giral science.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I just picked a figure and millions of people had
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: to wear the consequences and watch Fauji duck responsibility for
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: the vaccine mandates.
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: Were you the one that recommended to the president to
• 34:06
  Speaker 10: mandate vaccines for certain individuals?
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: No?
• 34:09
  Speaker 10: Do you know who did?
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: No?
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: It was it was more of a It was a
• 34:15
  Speaker 13: combination of a group and just saying that, you know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 13: certain agencies like the Labor Department or what have you
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: would feel that this would to be done. But it
• 34:24
  Speaker 13: was not like I one day said hey we should
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: mandate vaccines. That did not happen.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: That is outrageous isn't it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Dear Idea, let me go to liberal Senator Alexantick, who's
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: been strong on the overreach of the COVID response all.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: The way along. Alex, thanks for joining us again.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: That is extraordinary something as illiberal and is with such
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: a massive impact on people's lives as vaccine mandates, and
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: it's oh, it wasn't really a scientific advice, and there
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: wasn't even one person taking responsibility.
• 34:57
  Speaker 14: Yeah, Chris, that's pretty staggery stuff. But I think it's
• 35:00
  Speaker 14: things that many of us knew the whole way along.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: For exactly, we.
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: Asked anyone that lost their job as a result of
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: the vaccine mandate here why it was, and quite how
• 35:09
  Speaker 14: that logic worked. I mean, these vaccines are meant to
• 35:12
  Speaker 14: protect people, and if you've got it, you shouldn't theoretically
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: be under threat from anyone else. So there were a
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: host of those issues, whether they were masks or six
• 35:20
  Speaker 14: feet distancing. We actually in September of twenty twenty one
• 35:25
  Speaker 14: asked the South Strand Department of Help for all of
• 35:28
  Speaker 14: the information, all of the evident and the research they
• 35:31
  Speaker 14: used to rely on to do these things, and we
• 35:33
  Speaker 14: got that back, which was you know, almost the years
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: where the corresponders to turned it out was just minutes
• 35:39
  Speaker 14: of meetings where bureaucrats were talking backwards and forth about
• 35:42
  Speaker 14: what they should do, and we learned that there wasn't
• 35:46
  Speaker 14: any science at that point, but no one was listening.
• 35:48
  Speaker 14: So it's very good, I think, to have this coming
• 35:51
  Speaker 14: out in the United States. It needs to come out here.
• 35:53
  Speaker 14: And two, we have plenty of questions and NB asked
• 35:55
  Speaker 14: of our own public health officials in this country too.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's exactly what I wanted to get you
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: on because we're seeing some accountability there through those congressional hearings.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: It just underscores the point that we need to have
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: a proper royal commission here, don't we. And we all
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: know there's going to be another pandemic in the future,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: know whether it's ten years away or one hundred years.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: We need to learn the lessons from what we did
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: wrong and what we got right this time.
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: Yeah, Christ and look, there are some that we'll say
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: and have said, can't we just get on with this
• 36:28
  Speaker 14: COVID was two years ago. Well, no, the reality is
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: we can't. We haven't got to the bottom of this.
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: This whole episode had huge ramifications for people's lives and livelihoods.
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: And we're now seeing the World Health Organization as an example,
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: trying to push for further power under their World Health
• 36:44
  Speaker 14: Pandemic Treaty and the interntional health regulations with it. So
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: this is far from over. We don't want to see
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: this repeated ever again. And really we can't move on
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: until we've had a proper brute and branch dive into
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: what happened, why it happened, and how to stop it
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: from happening again, because it really was a disgraceful period
• 37:01
  Speaker 14: many of us rail You spoke out about it many
• 37:04
  Speaker 14: many times, and to your great credit, that was that
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: was a very important thing. But look, I don't think
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: that message is out there yet, and we need to
• 37:11
  Speaker 14: have that royal commission. It absolutely has to happen, and
• 37:13
  Speaker 14: it's got to be a proper property diet.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It must stick in your craws as it does.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: In mind that we don't get a royal commission, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: we're handling out the nation's top honors to Mark McGowan
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: and Daniel Andrews.
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: Well, look, I.
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: Mean, you know, I have to say I was I
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: was complexed by a number of appointments and medals and
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: awards that were given, not just to the ones you mentioned.
• 37:34
  Speaker 14: But you know, I do have to wonder.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, it may well.
• 37:38
  Speaker 14: Show that there are those that still think in our
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: community that that which happened was fine. I think there
• 37:45
  Speaker 14: are further questions to be asked, and you know, I
• 37:48
  Speaker 14: think we need to be we need to be on topics.
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: This is going to happen again, presumably, and we can't
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  Speaker 14: do it the way we did it last time. There
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: was too much money, too much expense, and too much
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  Speaker 14: damage to people's lives and livelihoods.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely agree more Thanks for joining us, Alex, so I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: appreciate it. Senator Alex Ahtik there, Liberal Senator for South Australia.
• 38:05
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• 38:57
  Speaker 2: This week we'll talk about the climate wars. Also Biden
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: possibly facing jail.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Will anyone defend him? Let us it into the Wednesday Wrangle.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm joined here in the corner for truth and
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: justice in the Australian.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Way is late debate COVID.
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  Speaker 3: This story like introduced like that every time and representing
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  Speaker 3: the dark arts dark arts of the People's Socialist Republic
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  Speaker 3: of Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Is justice equal billing.
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  Speaker 15: The welcome mate, lovely to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Look tell us justin no, I want to get into
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: the climate debate. You must be so excited that we've
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: got the climate wars running again.
• 39:43
  Speaker 15: Talking to you two about the climate debate is like
• 39:46
  Speaker 15: trying to convince foxes. The chickens don't taste good, but look,
• 39:49
  Speaker 15: I'm going to give my short anyway.
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  Speaker 2: They thank you.
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  Speaker 15: I would say for Peter Dutton, Dutton doesn't convince me,
• 40:01
  Speaker 15: and I don't think he convinces a lot of people there.
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  Speaker 15: I'll tell you this though, if he the climate vote
• 40:07
  Speaker 15: or the environmental vote for one of a better term
• 40:09
  Speaker 15: is going to be incredibly important for him. I mean,
• 40:12
  Speaker 15: asked Josh Friedenberg, who lost an incredibly safe seat to
• 40:15
  Speaker 15: a person who leaned to the left and leaned very
• 40:18
  Speaker 15: much towards the environment. I know you disagree with these people,
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: but that's fine. So if he doesn't come up with
• 40:24
  Speaker 15: any detail, or if he doesn't start convincing people, he's
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: not going to win the next election.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: He doesn't.
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: He doesn't need me telling him that. He would know
• 40:32
  Speaker 15: that already, so he's going to have to pull something
• 40:34
  Speaker 15: out of the hat.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: You would have to agree with that.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I find it very amusing for you to say that
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: manikue Ryan leans to the left, would leading to the left.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing a side car.
• 40:43
  Speaker 16: Speed a tiny bit centru.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Lisz?
• 40:50
  Speaker 16: I just think the way these two are now talking
• 40:53
  Speaker 16: to each other not so much doubts, but definitely alban easy.
• 40:57
  Speaker 16: This seems to have spiraled into some sort of playground fight.
• 41:01
  Speaker 16: The language that is now being used, you know, saying
• 41:04
  Speaker 16: he's delusional or this or that. It just it's now
• 41:08
  Speaker 16: come down to an exchange of insults from the Albanese
• 41:12
  Speaker 16: camp that get us absolutely nowhere. And once again they
• 41:15
  Speaker 16: won't mount a proper takedown of nuclear.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: All they say is.
• 41:20
  Speaker 16: Oh, we don't have enough details. Yeah, well, the Blue
• 41:23
  Speaker 16: camp keeps saying that those are forthcoming, and they've already
• 41:26
  Speaker 16: rolled out a great many ideas, like putting coal plants
• 41:31
  Speaker 16: where sorry, nuclear plants where coal plants currently are.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: That makes brilliant, nice sense. It makes perfect sense.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: You talk about the problem with the coalition not putting
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: out detail. Justin the thing is, it's unsett It's up
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: to labor to somehow explain how nuclear doesn't work. I mean,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: how is France going to stace the Olympics next time? Well,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: relying on all this nuclear power that doesn't work.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: It's kind of nonsensical. But I'm a tone of the debate.
• 42:02
  Speaker 15: You' go on, No, I'm talking politics here, I'm talking
• 42:07
  Speaker 15: about Peter. You know it doesn't matter whether Peter Dutton
• 42:09
  Speaker 15: has detail or doesn't have detail. He's going to have
• 42:12
  Speaker 15: to convince people of it and he's just not doing
• 42:14
  Speaker 15: it at the moment. And you say it's up to
• 42:16
  Speaker 15: the government to be able to mount an argument against nuclear.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that kind of works.
• 42:22
  Speaker 15: I kind of like the thought of that, but you
• 42:23
  Speaker 15: know that politics doesn't work that way for Peter Dutton
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: to convince people. And when the next election he's going
• 42:28
  Speaker 15: to have to pull something out of his hat and
• 42:30
  Speaker 15: he hasn't even come close to doing that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 16: On one word immigration, buddy, the elections in the bag.
• 42:37
  Speaker 16: At least, they'll definitely put a big dent in the
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: nineteen seats.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Right down in the time you said that that.
• 42:43
  Speaker 16: Is no, I'm not saying that they'll win, but they
• 42:45
  Speaker 16: will put a dent in it. Because that is one
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: of the biggest problems we just heard this morning on
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: two GB ten thousand immigrants are still coming into this
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: country every single week for people suffering a housing crisis,
• 42:58
  Speaker 16: a cost of living crisis. That is a massive vote decider.
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: It doesn't come down to whether they like, doesn't or not.
• 43:05
  Speaker 16: And that's to say ten thousand a week, which eight
• 43:08
  Speaker 16: months ago, Labor promise that these numbers would be slashed.
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: So people are waking up to the fact that that
• 43:15
  Speaker 16: was all talk, no action, effectively a lie if you will,
• 43:20
  Speaker 16: and Labor is doing nothing about the fact that ossies
• 43:24
  Speaker 16: aren't being put first while they allow thousands more into
• 43:27
  Speaker 16: the country every single week. Simply cannot accommodate.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: We're going to have to put the immigration to one side.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: We'll come back to that one in the future. But
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: just on me and my assessment of politics, justin see,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of old fashioned.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I figure if you have the right.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Policies and ideas, the politics look after themselves, because I
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: actually think that voting public is smart enough to work
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: it out. So you can't just play politics with something
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: like climate change and energy.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: In the end, you've got to have policies that work.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: And everybody in Australia now knows right now that our
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: energy is more expensive and less less reliable than it's
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: ever been, and that Olbow's trying to pretend that's not
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: because of the renewables transitions response.
• 44:13
  Speaker 15: Look, that's fair enough, look at it, and I'm not
• 44:16
  Speaker 15: necessarily taking science here, But if you're talking about Peter
• 44:19
  Speaker 15: Dutton trying to win the next election, then I kind
• 44:22
  Speaker 15: of like the way you're thinking. But politics is going
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: to have to play a part here, and if he
• 44:26
  Speaker 15: doesn't pull the environmental vote, then he's not going to
• 44:29
  Speaker 15: win the next election. If he can't convince people that
• 44:31
  Speaker 15: he's got a really good plan to move us forward
• 44:34
  Speaker 15: and take care of the environment as well as taking
• 44:37
  Speaker 15: care of our energy bills, he hasn't got its rawed.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: You've got to credit people with some intelligence. And anybody
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: who thinks Labor meeting at twenty thirty emissions target in
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Australia is going to change the environment anywhere. I didn't
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: say has got rocks in there, Well that's what Labor,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the Greens and the tills are saying.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Look, I've got to move on to another topic.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about Hunter Biden now being found
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: guilty of that firearms.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Charge in the US. Let's have a look at some
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: of the commentary in the US.
• 45:07
  Speaker 17: This case was not just about addiction, a disease that
• 45:12
  Speaker 17: haunts families across the United States, including Hunter Biden's family.
• 45:18
  Speaker 17: This case was about the illegal choices defendant made while
• 45:22
  Speaker 17: in the throes of addiction. His choice to lie on
• 45:25
  Speaker 17: a government forum when he bought a gun, and the
• 45:28
  Speaker 17: choice to then possess that gun.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Now, Liz, I've got no truck with Hunter Biden. I
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: couldn't care less about the bloke. But I as outraged
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: about this decision as I am about the Trump conviction
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: because they're both so political. Neither Hunter Biden nor Donald
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Trump would have been convicted of either of those offenses
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: except for the political push to do so.
• 45:50
  Speaker 16: Yes, but this particular conviction is a massive red herring
• 45:55
  Speaker 16: to end all red herrings, because we know that the
• 45:58
  Speaker 16: do ojw the statute of limitations to expire on much
• 46:04
  Speaker 16: more serious charges. They've totally ignored the allegations surrounding the
• 46:09
  Speaker 16: Biden's families foreign dealings overseas, and even in this situation,
• 46:16
  Speaker 16: they very much bent over backwards to give Biden's a
• 46:20
  Speaker 16: Hunter Biden a sweetheart deal with broad immunity. So what
• 46:25
  Speaker 16: they've done here is to get this case across the
• 46:29
  Speaker 16: line so they can be like, oh, look, nobody's.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: A minimalism doing our job.
• 46:34
  Speaker 16: And of course they're not pursuing what is most important
• 46:37
  Speaker 16: because they know full well all of that will lead
• 46:40
  Speaker 16: back to his father's dodgy dealing so they don't want
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: to touch it with a ten foot poll with an
• 46:45
  Speaker 16: election coming up in November.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Indeed, good points, but justin it shows how politics plays
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: an activist role in their judicial system. In the US, well, look,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: quite possibly, I would say it says more about the
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: first families that we've got we are, not that we've got,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: but that the Americans have because we've all we've seen
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: the American way play out a lot in the last
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks.
• 47:10
  Speaker 15: Have we were the first families? We've had guns and
• 47:12
  Speaker 15: drugs and porn stars and money and lawyers, and it
• 47:16
  Speaker 15: all just seems to be the American way, doesn't It
• 47:18
  Speaker 15: all playing out in the courts with the president's families.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Now I want to bring it back to Australia and
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: another great idea to fix this country from the Australian Greens,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: the Greens in New South Wales. I reckon we should
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: legalize cocaine and cocaine.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Should be freely available for everyone, have a listen.
• 47:36
  Speaker 18: Ideally, it would be great if people didn't drink because
• 47:38
  Speaker 18: it really is a poison, and people didn't smoke cigarettes.
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: But they want to so regulate it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 18: I think the same thing. We should start thinking about
• 47:46
  Speaker 18: that with currently illegal drugs like cocaine.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: So what I reckon justin come over to my place,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: we have a barbie and get a few taxpayer funded snorts.
• 47:57
  Speaker 15: Stupid idea, isn't it. I imagine the people that have
• 47:59
  Speaker 15: been out there trying to fight drugs all their lives
• 48:02
  Speaker 15: and then they have a politician standing up.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: And saying, hey, let's do it. There are some things
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: you just don't draw a line on.
• 48:07
  Speaker 15: I mean, we've got hard drugs and child pornography, the
• 48:11
  Speaker 15: abuse of women, you know, sexual harassment in the workplace.
• 48:15
  Speaker 15: These are things you don't say, Oh, look, it kind
• 48:17
  Speaker 15: of happens anyway, and it's sort of widespread. So what
• 48:19
  Speaker 15: did we regulate child monography and why don't we sort
• 48:23
  Speaker 15: of regulate harassment in the workplace. It's one of the
• 48:26
  Speaker 15: worst arguments I've seen this year, and that's in a
• 48:29
  Speaker 15: strong field.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this sort of nutty stuff. Does this have to
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: cost them dearly? No?
• 48:34
  Speaker 16: But think of the tax dollars you made. I mean,
• 48:38
  Speaker 16: it's just incredible to consider that Ozzie spend three point
• 48:42
  Speaker 16: five million dollars a day on cocaine. I want to
• 48:46
  Speaker 16: know where they're getting their money from I mean, that
• 48:49
  Speaker 16: is inconceivable, and so they argue, oh, well, you know,
• 48:52
  Speaker 16: rather than have that money end up in the pockets
• 48:55
  Speaker 16: of criminals, we should pocket it too. It does make
• 48:58
  Speaker 16: you wonder if this is where we're going, because we
• 49:00
  Speaker 16: know the Act have already done this, and so they've
• 49:04
  Speaker 16: they've made cocaine as well as otherwise illegal drugs no
• 49:09
  Speaker 16: longer elicits, imagine the yes, So are they just the
• 49:12
  Speaker 16: first domino to fall? As this kind of line of
• 49:16
  Speaker 16: argument starts getting stronger.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll have it, we'll have it socialized, and
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: no doubt we'll have a state Department of cocaine Manufacturer
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: and Distribution and then there'll be none around. Maybe it'll work,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: they'll stuff it up completely. Thanks for joining us, Justin
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: and Liz will wrangle again next week. That is all
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: the time we've got for you tonight. Thanks for joining me.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Steve Price filling in
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: for Peter Kredlin.