Latest / The Great Detectives Present Dragnet (Old Time Radio) / Dragnet: The Big Church (EP4586)
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- 1:16Speaker 1: Now from November second, nineteen fifty Here's the Big Church.
- 1:27Speaker 2: The story you are about to hear is true, only
- 1:30Speaker 2: the names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're
- 1:40Speaker 2: a detective sergeant. You're assigned to homicide detail. The life
- 1:44Speaker 2: of a young woman is in danger. Anonymous letters and
- 1:47Speaker 2: phone calls threaten her with murder. The notes bear the
- 1:51Speaker 2: mark of a phonetic. Your job stop them.
- 2:04Speaker 3: Dragnet. The document a drama of an actual crime. Well,
- 2:08Speaker 3: the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles
- 2:11Speaker 3: Police Department, you will travel step by step on the
- 2:14Speaker 3: side of the law through an actual case transcribed from
- 2:16Speaker 3: official police filence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
- 2:21Speaker 3: Dragnet is the story of your police force. And actually.
- 2:28Speaker 4: It was Tuesday, March eighth. That was cold Los Angeles.
- 2:30Speaker 4: We're working the night watch out of homicide. My partner's
- 2:33Speaker 4: Ben Ramero. The boss's Captain Steed. My name is Friday.
- 2:36Speaker 4: We were on the way out from the office and
- 2:38Speaker 4: it was six forty five pm when we got to Greenwich.
- 2:40Speaker 5: Street, number three eighteen.
- 2:48Speaker 6: As gentlemen, police officer, I'd like to see doctor Small. Please,
- 2:52Speaker 6: I'm Reverend Small. Won't you come in?
- 2:54Speaker 5: Thank you? Hell, let me take your hat's officers, I've
- 2:58Speaker 5: been waiting for you.
- 2:59Speaker 4: Thanks. Oh, my name's Friday. This is my partner, Sergeant Romeri.
- 3:02Speaker 5: How do you do I'm dead or not? How do
- 3:04Speaker 5: you do? I hope we didn't interrupt your dinner. Oh no, no.
- 3:06Speaker 6: The organist, brother Reaber, and I were just running over
- 3:08Speaker 6: a few hymns for the service tonight.
- 3:10Speaker 5: Or would you come this way? Plays into the parlor.
- 3:15Speaker 6: As I mentioned on the telephone, I'm not much of
- 3:17Speaker 6: a detective, but I think something should be done about
- 3:19Speaker 6: this matter as soon as possible.
- 3:20Speaker 4: Oh, we'd like to get a few more particulars. First, Reverend,
- 3:23Speaker 4: when did you first find out about these threatening letters.
- 3:25Speaker 6: Sister Dorothy Wilson? I think I told you about her.
- 3:29Speaker 6: She came here to the rectory and showed them to me.
- 3:31Speaker 6: She told me she's been getting for the last four
- 3:33Speaker 6: days and phone calls too.
- 3:35Speaker 5: How long have you known this, Dorothy Wilson? Is she
- 3:37Speaker 5: one of your regular parishioners.
- 3:39Speaker 6: Well, she first joined my congregation about a month ago.
- 3:41Speaker 6: She's been in regular attendance at our services ever since.
- 3:44Speaker 5: Is that the church next door joining therector here?
- 3:47Speaker 6: Yes, that's right, Sagan second Reformed Church at the Holy Book.
- 3:50Speaker 6: I founded it here about three years ago and I've
- 3:51Speaker 6: been pastor ever since.
- 3:53Speaker 7: Have you ever had this trouble before, I mean threats
- 3:55Speaker 7: against the people who joined your church?
- 3:56Speaker 5: No, never, never any trouble at all.
- 3:58Speaker 4: I wonder if you have those notes that miss Wilson's
- 4:01Speaker 4: been receiving, Reverend, Yes.
- 4:02Speaker 6: Right here in my desk, let me see, uh? Yes,
- 4:09Speaker 6: is here are the five Sister Wilson got. Here are
- 4:13Speaker 6: the two that I received.
- 4:16Speaker 5: Wonder if I could look at Yes, surely here you are. Thanks.
- 4:19Speaker 6: Oh, would you excuse me for a moment. It's about
- 4:21Speaker 6: time for brother Reeber to get over to the church.
- 4:23Speaker 5: I'd better tell him, certainly, Reverend, didn't we know? Yeah, no,
- 4:25Speaker 5: not at all. I'll be back in just a moment. Alright.
- 4:30Speaker 5: What do they look like? You know? Yeah?
- 4:32Speaker 8: See postmarks here March fourth, fifth, seventh, eighth come from
- 4:41Speaker 8: different places around town, according to the postmarks, Long Beach
- 4:45Speaker 8: couple from Azusa, Glenndale here, no return address on any
- 4:51Speaker 8: of them.
- 4:55Speaker 5: This notebook paper looks like to me? This one, isn't
- 4:58Speaker 5: it to you? Yeah?
- 5:00Speaker 4: There's this other one here looks like I'm going to
- 5:01Speaker 4: wrapping paper. The writing's not too bad. We'll see. Bring
- 5:07Speaker 4: the postmark. This is the first one they got.
- 5:09Speaker 7: I guess, Dorothy Wilson, you are a sinner, and you
- 5:15Speaker 7: have led a sinful life, Yet you have the nerve
- 5:18Speaker 7: to come into our church and make believe you're a Christian.
- 5:22Speaker 5: Spelling choice bad. Yeah.
- 5:24Speaker 7: I have been coming to our church for a long time,
- 5:28Speaker 7: and it is an outrage to have you praying in
- 5:30Speaker 7: our temple. If you don't get out and stay out,
- 5:33Speaker 7: I'm going to make sure you are taken care of
- 5:35Speaker 7: it for good. Look outside, Sister and the Lord must
- 5:42Speaker 7: be some kind of a fanatic. We'd better run away
- 5:44Speaker 7: through the prime left this one. Maybe it's type and
- 5:47Speaker 7: we'll hear you read it's dated March sixth. Now take
- 5:50Speaker 7: this as a warning. Bring your sinful body to our
- 5:53Speaker 7: church again, and your blood will run in the aisles.
- 5:56Speaker 7: A life can be taken when God demands it. It
- 5:59Speaker 7: could be your Sorry for.
- 6:00Speaker 6: The interruption, officers, the things I had to remind, Brother Raebro,
- 6:03Speaker 6: Who have you seen all the letters?
- 6:05Speaker 5: Well, we're just checking them over, Reverend. Certainly a terrible
- 6:08Speaker 5: thing for our church. I hope we can keep the
- 6:10Speaker 5: matter as quiet as possible.
- 6:12Speaker 4: Yes, Sir, I noticed the two different signatures on these notes.
- 6:15Speaker 5: Now half of them are signed A Sister and the.
- 6:18Speaker 4: Lord Yes, and the other half are signed Brother D. R.
- 6:23Speaker 5: Griswold.
- 6:24Speaker 6: Yes, that's right. The first letter I got was from
- 6:26Speaker 6: this Brother Griswold. His are the type written ones.
- 6:29Speaker 7: Do you know anyone in your congregation with that name?
- 6:31Speaker 5: Reverend D. R. Griswold. No.
- 6:32Speaker 6: I checked over my list of regular parishioners twice. If
- 6:35Speaker 6: there is such a man, I don't know of them.
- 6:37Speaker 4: We can run that name through our and I anyway,
- 6:39Speaker 4: I'm ben. Do you have any suspicions at all?
- 6:41Speaker 5: Reverend? What do you mean such? Well?
- 6:44Speaker 4: I mean, can you think of anybody in your congregation
- 6:45Speaker 4: that might possibly resent this?
- 6:47Speaker 5: SMIs Wilson's joining your church? Maybe? Well?
- 6:49Speaker 6: No, I haven't had an opportunity to think it over
- 6:52Speaker 6: in that light. But I can't imagine anybody in our
- 6:54Speaker 6: group writing letters like this.
- 6:56Speaker 5: What's her background, Reverend? You know much about her? No,
- 7:00Speaker 5: she's a quiet girl. She's very religious. Works as a
- 7:03Speaker 5: stenographer in an office downtown help support her mother. Will
- 7:06Speaker 5: she be at church tonight? Yes, she's here already, helping
- 7:08Speaker 5: to set up the chairs for the service. Why would
- 7:11Speaker 5: you like to talk to her? Yes? I could could.
- 7:12Speaker 6: All right, let's go over to the church. There's still
- 7:14Speaker 6: half an hour before services begin.
- 7:16Speaker 4: Fine, I'll have to take these letters along with us, Reverend,
- 7:18Speaker 4: want our handwriting man to check them over?
- 7:20Speaker 5: Yes?
- 7:20Speaker 6: By all means that Manila envelope on the desk. You
- 7:23Speaker 6: can put them in there if you're.
- 7:24Speaker 5: Like, thank you? This one here? Yes?
- 7:29Speaker 4: Okay, this way, obss. How many members do you have
- 7:41Speaker 4: in your church, Reverend.
- 7:42Speaker 6: Small, one hundred and sixty two regulars, another one hundred
- 7:45Speaker 6: or so on the friends they attend only occasionally.
- 7:48Speaker 7: You mentioned that this miss Wilson's had threatening phone calls too. Yes,
- 7:51Speaker 7: that's what she told me this afternoon. A man's voice
- 7:54Speaker 7: or a woman, My sister Wilson said both.
- 7:56Speaker 6: The phone calls usually follow each letter, and they identify
- 7:59Speaker 6: themself well the same way, Brother Griswold and the sister
- 8:02Speaker 6: and the Lord. Have you received any calls by No,
- 8:04Speaker 6: I've been half expecting them, but I haven't had any yet.
- 8:07Speaker 5: Here should we win? Please?
- 8:13Speaker 2: Here we are.
- 8:14Speaker 6: Our seating arrangement is still temporary. We hope they have
- 8:17Speaker 6: feels installed next year. Oh last church, Yes, thank you.
- 8:22Speaker 6: Oh there's sister Wilson. She is helping set up the chairs.
- 8:25Speaker 6: If you'd like to wait in the choir's dressing room,
- 8:27Speaker 6: I'll bring.
- 8:27Speaker 5: Her in there to you.
- 8:28Speaker 7: All right, thank you? Ever, let's go ben this one, Joe, Yeah,
- 8:35Speaker 7: this is it ought to open a few winds in yours?
- 8:41Speaker 5: Musty? Yeah? What time do you say the services start
- 8:44Speaker 5: seven thirty?
- 8:45Speaker 7: It's uh five minutes past seven now officers.
- 8:49Speaker 5: Yes, sir officers, this is Sister Dorothy Wilson. Sister Wilson,
- 8:53Speaker 5: Sergeant Friday, how do you deal? Man?
- 8:55Speaker 9: Hello?
- 8:55Speaker 5: And Sergeant Ramirez that's Romero. Oh I'm sorry, Sergeant Romeroz Wilson. Hello. No,
- 9:02Speaker 5: I guess you want to speak with Sister Wilson alone.
- 9:04Speaker 5: Do you why? I would like to have you stay,
- 9:06Speaker 5: if you would, Reverend won if there's some place where
- 9:08Speaker 5: we could sit down, Yes, certainly right over here in
- 9:10Speaker 5: the anty room.
- 9:10Speaker 10: But how's mister Wilson. There's no need to be afraid.
- 9:24Speaker 10: These officers are here to help you and to protect you.
- 9:27Speaker 10: See that nothing happens.
- 9:29Speaker 9: Yes, brother smile little.
- 9:30Speaker 11: Fast in the faith of the Lord than usually not fear.
- 9:32Speaker 9: Yes, I will. You want me to tell you all
- 9:35Speaker 9: about it? Sergeant how it started?
- 9:36Speaker 5: Well? Please say? Is it all right? Just smoking here? Yes?
- 9:39Speaker 5: Of course, go ahead. Uh, I won't care for second.
- 9:42Speaker 9: No, thank you, No, thanks.
- 9:44Speaker 11: I'm not right now.
- 9:45Speaker 5: Okay, I wad be back there if you will. Uh.
- 9:48Speaker 4: We've already looked over the letters that you received. The
- 9:51Speaker 4: Reverend here told us that you got the first one
- 9:53Speaker 4: last Friday.
- 9:53Speaker 9: Yes, that's right, I've gotten one each day since then
- 9:57Speaker 9: phone calls too.
- 9:58Speaker 11: Did you recognize the voice is making me go?
- 10:00Speaker 9: No, I didn't know that at all. A woman's voice
- 10:03Speaker 9: was very rough, kind of like you might be old.
- 10:07Speaker 9: You said some terrible things about me and rather small.
- 10:10Speaker 9: She called both of us terrible names, awful.
- 10:13Speaker 5: The same with a man who called him.
- 10:14Speaker 9: Yes, sometimes he's even worse. None of the things they
- 10:18Speaker 9: say are true, Sergeant, not one word.
- 10:21Speaker 4: Oh, I'd like you to think carefully before you answered this,
- 10:23Speaker 4: Miss Wilson. Is there anyone at all that you know
- 10:26Speaker 4: in your neighborhood, here, at church, or at your work
- 10:28Speaker 4: who might be doing this? Maybe somebody that you knew
- 10:31Speaker 4: a few years ago, some acquaintance.
- 10:33Speaker 9: Ever since it's happened, I've been trying to think of someone.
- 10:36Speaker 9: I don't think I've ever met anybody who do this
- 10:38Speaker 9: kind of thing.
- 10:40Speaker 4: Well, how about a former boyfriend or a girlfriend who
- 10:42Speaker 4: might be jealous of you for some reason.
- 10:43Speaker 11: Oh?
- 10:44Speaker 9: I did have quite a few boyfriends, casual dates, nothing serious.
- 10:50Speaker 9: They were always taking me out dancing and out to parties.
- 10:54Speaker 9: We went everywhere, But I was never interested.
- 10:57Speaker 11: In any of them. Were any of them upset stop
- 11:00Speaker 11: going out with him?
- 11:01Speaker 9: A few of them more angry when I wouldn't marry them.
- 11:04Speaker 9: But I don't think any of them would write those
- 11:07Speaker 9: kind of letters. Do you think the whole thing might
- 11:10Speaker 9: be some kind of a joke someone's playing.
- 11:11Speaker 11: It's a pretty grim joke to go this far. Do
- 11:14Speaker 11: you live by yourself, Miss Wilson.
- 11:16Speaker 9: No, with my mother, but I don't want her to
- 11:18Speaker 9: know anything about this. Well.
- 11:19Speaker 5: I think it'd be wiser if you told me. No.
- 11:20Speaker 9: No, she mustn't know. Mother's been ill lately, and if
- 11:22Speaker 9: she found out, it might upset her an awful lot.
- 11:24Speaker 9: She's not well at all.
- 11:26Speaker 5: I help yourself with someone A lot of that generally, book,
- 11:28Speaker 5: I don't know that's a lesson.
- 11:31Speaker 11: Yes, I would, all right, thank you you are anybody else?
- 11:37Speaker 5: Yes, please?
- 11:39Speaker 6: I don't think okay, thank you yourself.
- 11:47Speaker 5: How about some of the church members, missus Wilson.
- 11:50Speaker 4: Have any of them been at all unfriendly to you
- 11:52Speaker 4: since you started coming here?
- 11:53Speaker 9: No, I don't think so. A few were pretty hard
- 11:56Speaker 9: to get to know. They're shy, I guess, but none
- 11:59Speaker 9: of them have been uncharitable.
- 12:01Speaker 11: Then you don't think the threats are coming from anyone
- 12:03Speaker 11: in the church.
- 12:04Speaker 9: If they are, I don't know who the person is
- 12:07Speaker 9: the way they say all those ratten things about me.
- 12:10Speaker 9: They call me a sinner and a bad woman. Oh,
- 12:14Speaker 9: I guess I'm a sinner like all of us are.
- 12:16Speaker 9: But I'm not a bad woman. I'm going to church
- 12:19Speaker 9: because i want to be born again of the light.
- 12:22Speaker 9: I've never killed anyone, and I've never been a bad woman.
- 12:24Speaker 5: Uh huh.
- 12:25Speaker 9: You believe me, don't you?
- 12:26Speaker 5: Every Yes, of course I do. I don't get yourself
- 12:29Speaker 5: on upset, Sister Wilson.
- 12:30Speaker 9: Do you think that's why they want to murder me
- 12:31Speaker 9: because I'm a sinner? You think that's why?
- 12:33Speaker 5: Please, sister, willn't try and get your mind off.
- 12:35Speaker 9: They want to kill me because I'm a sinner, then
- 12:37Speaker 9: why don't they want to kill all the sinners.
- 12:39Speaker 4: They're going to have a lot of homicides if they try.
- 12:48Speaker 4: Ten PM, together with Sergeant's Reins and Bechto, retailed Dorothy
- 12:51Speaker 4: Wilson to her home.
- 12:52Speaker 5: She parked her card to rear and went inside. A
- 12:54Speaker 5: steakeout was placed on our house.
- 12:56Speaker 4: The next morning, we took the threatening letters which the
- 12:58Speaker 4: Wilson girl had received and asked Don Meyern handwriting to
- 13:01Speaker 4: check them over. During the next five days, we checked
- 13:04Speaker 4: thoroughly into the background of Dorothy Wilson. We talked to
- 13:06Speaker 4: our relatives or employers, all our friends past and present.
- 13:10Speaker 4: We had no good reason to suspect any of them.
- 13:13Speaker 4: We checked out the people at the church and they
- 13:14Speaker 4: were clear. Both Reverend Small and the Wilson Girl continued
- 13:17Speaker 4: to receive more threatening letters. Some of the language and
- 13:20Speaker 4: the accusations were pretty foul. Still, no outward attempts were
- 13:24Speaker 4: made on the life of the Wilson Girl. A week
- 13:26Speaker 4: after we started on the case. We tallied up our
- 13:28Speaker 4: findings and seemed to make sense. We talked it over
- 13:31Speaker 4: with Rains in the squadron.
- 13:33Speaker 12: Don Myers checking those letters the sap of the Wilson
- 13:35Speaker 12: girls handwriting, isn't he?
- 13:36Speaker 5: What's you get to say?
- 13:38Speaker 7: The letters written in long hand as signed his sister
- 13:40Speaker 7: and the Lord, and the typewritten letters to signed brother d.
- 13:42Speaker 5: RC Grizzly M. Yeah, I know that, Don says.
- 13:45Speaker 12: Other letters were written but the same person as you figure,
- 13:47Speaker 12: all similarities and phrasing, same mistakes and spelling, typewritten and
- 13:51Speaker 12: long hand. Both signatures on the Grizzwell letters matched the
- 13:55Speaker 12: handwriting and the other letters.
- 13:56Speaker 5: They were only dealing with one.
- 13:58Speaker 12: Suspect, and Don Myers seems pretty sure of it. You know, well,
- 14:01Speaker 12: how does the Wilson girls have writing?
- 14:02Speaker 5: Check out? Who's working on there? Where does that leave us?
- 14:05Speaker 7: You've been on steakhouts at the Wilson Girls home a
- 14:08Speaker 7: few nights. Haven't you noticed anything peculiar?
- 14:10Speaker 5: About to say it?
- 14:11Speaker 7: Oh, do you mean something it didn't fit? Something, it
- 14:13Speaker 7: didn't quite giant?
- 14:15Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. Well, just that business about
- 14:18Speaker 5: her car. Thought that was little out of line. I
- 14:21Speaker 5: mean that struck us the same way. Girl always seem fighting.
- 14:24Speaker 12: Enough about the situation when she's around us, but when
- 14:26Speaker 12: she thinks she's alone, looks to me like she takes
- 14:28Speaker 12: a little differently.
- 14:29Speaker 5: Yeah, every night when.
- 14:30Speaker 12: She drives home she aar Actually car in that dark
- 14:33Speaker 12: garage must be at least fifty.
- 14:35Speaker 5: Or seventy five yards from her house.
- 14:37Speaker 12: Yeah, I've never seen her look particularly nervous and take
- 14:41Speaker 12: that long walk to the front door.
- 14:42Speaker 4: I'm sure the normal reaction for a frightened woman would
- 14:44Speaker 4: be a part of the car right in front of.
- 14:46Speaker 5: The house and hurry inside. She hadn't done that once.
- 14:48Speaker 12: How about all those friends with her? As you guys
- 14:50Speaker 12: checked out anything there? Well, We've been staked out of
- 14:52Speaker 12: her house, the church, and the work. You know that
- 14:56Speaker 12: it's not a thing. Checked with some of her ex
- 14:58Speaker 12: boyfriends too.
- 15:00Speaker 5: Nothing there.
- 15:01Speaker 4: Well, the Wilson girl told us that some of the
- 15:02Speaker 4: boys had proposed to her. We couldn't find one whould
- 15:05Speaker 4: admit it. They all said she was a nice girl,
- 15:07Speaker 4: but they didn't propose marriage.
- 15:09Speaker 7: Those threatening phone calls are another thing. Both the pastor
- 15:12Speaker 7: of the church and Dorothy Wilson got letters, but only
- 15:14Speaker 7: the girl received a phone call.
- 15:16Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 15:16Speaker 7: Well, logically, if the reverend got the letters the same
- 15:19Speaker 7: time as a girl, he should have been getting.
- 15:20Speaker 5: Phone calls too. He hadn't received the one. It could
- 15:22Speaker 5: be accidental.
- 15:24Speaker 12: Whoever wants to kill the girl might figure the reverend
- 15:26Speaker 12: would recognize his voice.
- 15:27Speaker 5: Well as possible.
- 15:28Speaker 4: But you remember that story that the Wilson girl gave
- 15:30Speaker 4: us about her mother, Remember that you didn't want her
- 15:33Speaker 4: to know about the letters because.
- 15:34Speaker 5: Their mother was sick.
- 15:35Speaker 4: Well, we checked with their mother's doctor and missus Wilson
- 15:37Speaker 4: hasn't been sick in five years.
- 15:39Speaker 5: Yeah, how about that? What do you figure? I think
- 15:42Speaker 5: the girl's a fake.
- 15:46Speaker 4: Everything we knew about the case of Dorothy Wilson everything
- 15:49Speaker 4: we'd learned through questioning and observation seemed to point to
- 15:51Speaker 4: one definite conclusion. Dorothy Wilson, for one reason or another,
- 15:55Speaker 4: was writing the threatening letters to herself.
- 15:57Speaker 5: As for the warnings that she got over the telephone,
- 16:00Speaker 5: had her word for it. We took our findings to
- 16:02Speaker 5: Captain Steed and laid out the case for him.
- 16:04Speaker 4: He directed us to stay on him for a few
- 16:06Speaker 4: more days until we could find enough evidence in testimony
- 16:08Speaker 4: to prove out our theory. The following day, Dorothy Wilson
- 16:12Speaker 4: received a letter more threatening than any of the previous ones.
- 16:15Speaker 4: Reverend Small also received a copy of the same letter. Again,
- 16:18Speaker 4: Don Meyer's opinion was that they were written by the
- 16:20Speaker 4: same person.
- 16:25Speaker 5: A right, what's doing? I don't know boy's got any
- 16:29Speaker 5: new theories? What do you mean on the Dorothy Wilson case?
- 16:32Speaker 5: Do we need one?
- 16:33Speaker 12: I don't think your old one's going to hold up.
- 16:35Speaker 12: Whyhow it's the manner? She's a Georgia Street somebody tried
- 16:38Speaker 12: to kill her.
- 16:49Speaker 3: You are listening to dragnet authentic stories of your police
- 16:53Speaker 3: force in action.
- 17:01Speaker 4: As soon as we got the report that Dorothy Wilson
- 17:03Speaker 4: had been attacked by an unknown assailant. We drove to
- 17:05Speaker 4: Georgia Street Receiving Hospital where she was being treated. Anderson
- 17:08Speaker 4: and Beckel from Homicide were standing by. We talked to
- 17:11Speaker 4: the doctor, who told us that the victim had no
- 17:13Speaker 4: serious injuries. She had two slight bruises on her upper
- 17:16Speaker 4: arms and the slight bruise on her forehead. She complained
- 17:18Speaker 4: of a headache. While the doctor made out his report,
- 17:20Speaker 4: we questioned the Wilson girl. She told us that she'd
- 17:23Speaker 4: gone to the Church of the Holy Book at six
- 17:25Speaker 4: o'clock that night after work. She told us that she
- 17:27Speaker 4: wanted to pray before the start of the regular service
- 17:29Speaker 4: at eight fifteen pm.
- 17:31Speaker 5: We asked her exactly when and where the attack occurred.
- 17:34Speaker 9: About six thirty. I felt a little tired. I told
- 17:37Speaker 9: the officers on due to get the church. I thought
- 17:39Speaker 9: i'd get a little resp before services started, and then
- 17:41Speaker 9: I went into the ladies dressing room laid down. That's
- 17:44Speaker 9: what happened. It was terrible.
- 17:46Speaker 5: Did you see the person who tried to hurt you?
- 17:48Speaker 9: No, I was lying down with my eyes closed, and
- 17:51Speaker 9: he must took him up from behind. Police hands are
- 17:54Speaker 9: on my throat and tired to press tight. Was awful.
- 17:57Speaker 9: Just awful.
- 17:58Speaker 5: What happened then, Miss Wilson, Well.
- 18:00Speaker 9: I thought as hard as I could. I kicked and
- 18:03Speaker 9: scratched him, and I guess I heard him because he
- 18:05Speaker 9: let grow my throat for a minute. After that, he
- 18:08Speaker 9: pulled me down on the floor. I remembered that. Then
- 18:11Speaker 9: he put his hands around this part of my head
- 18:13Speaker 9: like this.
- 18:16Speaker 4: The other officers told us that one of the choir members,
- 18:20Speaker 4: mister Sherman, found you unconscious in the choir rooms.
- 18:22Speaker 9: That yes, whoever it was, wanted to kill me. He
- 18:26Speaker 9: put a gag in my mouth and blindfolded me and
- 18:29Speaker 9: then tied my wrists together with tape. That's how mister
- 18:32Speaker 9: Sherman found me.
- 18:33Speaker 5: How long did you figure you were unconscious?
- 18:34Speaker 9: Now? I don't know. It was about six thirty five
- 18:37Speaker 9: when I laid down in the dressing room. Mister Sherman
- 18:39Speaker 9: said he found me there at twenty minutes past seven, when.
- 18:42Speaker 5: You were out about forty five minutes? Is then suppose?
- 18:45Speaker 9: So I don't remember anything?
- 18:47Speaker 5: What makes you think the person who attacked you one
- 18:49Speaker 5: to kid him? Miss Wilson?
- 18:51Speaker 9: That's what they said in the letters, isn't it? They
- 18:54Speaker 9: want to kill me for coming to church?
- 18:56Speaker 5: Now your person. Everything that was in it was scattered
- 18:58Speaker 5: all over the dressing room floor. Is that correct? Yes?
- 19:00Speaker 9: It was my money and everything scattered all over. I
- 19:02Speaker 9: guess they wanted to rob me too.
- 19:04Speaker 5: Fifty two dollars in cash that what you had with him?
- 19:06Speaker 9: I tried a fifty dollars bill and some change. I
- 19:09Speaker 9: don't know why they didn't take it. Maybe something frightened
- 19:11Speaker 9: them off.
- 19:12Speaker 4: It's possible the officers found some other articles scattered around
- 19:15Speaker 4: the dressing room, roll of the tape, the metal box
- 19:18Speaker 4: that the tape came in, and a half a dozen
- 19:19Speaker 4: razor blades. Did you notice any of these in the
- 19:21Speaker 4: dressing room before you were attacked?
- 19:22Speaker 9: No, none of them. I never saw them before. Those
- 19:25Speaker 9: razor blades, officer, What do you think they wanted to
- 19:27Speaker 9: do with them?
- 19:27Speaker 5: There's no use thinking about that now it's all over.
- 19:30Speaker 9: I knew i'd be protected. I felt the spirit. I
- 19:34Speaker 9: know the Holy Light would protect me. Yes, ma'am, will
- 19:37Speaker 9: you find whoever?
- 19:38Speaker 5: Did?
- 19:38Speaker 9: An officer?
- 19:39Speaker 5: Well, it was just a hunch, Miss Wilson. Yes, I
- 19:41Speaker 5: think we already have.
- 19:47Speaker 4: Before we left Georgia Street, we talked to the doctor
- 19:49Speaker 4: in charge and got a release for the patient. Dorothy
- 19:52Speaker 4: Wilson agreed to drive back with us to the office
- 19:54Speaker 4: to make out a crime report. On the way, she
- 19:56Speaker 4: seemed to lose most of her nervousness. She was relaxed,
- 19:59Speaker 4: and she talked quite a bit.
- 20:01Speaker 9: Religions are great comfort to me, Sergeant. I think it's
- 20:03Speaker 9: a great comfort anybody, don't you.
- 20:05Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.
- 20:05Speaker 9: Maybe I'm different from most girls, but I get an
- 20:08Speaker 9: awful lot out of my church. It's like Brother Small says,
- 20:10Speaker 9: you have to be born again of the Holy Life
- 20:12Speaker 9: if you really want to live, don't you think so.
- 20:14Speaker 5: I'm sure.
- 20:15Speaker 9: I don't know what I'd do if it wasn't for
- 20:16Speaker 9: my religion.
- 20:19Speaker 5: No.
- 20:19Speaker 9: I used to have a lot of boyfriends. Of course,
- 20:21Speaker 9: I don't care for any of them anymore, but when
- 20:23Speaker 9: I was younger, they were always taking me out all
- 20:25Speaker 9: the time.
- 20:26Speaker 5: And that's so.
- 20:26Speaker 9: Yes, I had a good time when I was younger,
- 20:28Speaker 9: going out to dinner and dancing parties. Fellas were taking
- 20:31Speaker 9: me out all the time.
- 20:32Speaker 11: Of course, that was when I was younger, not much
- 20:34Speaker 11: over twenty five.
- 20:35Speaker 5: Now.
- 20:35Speaker 9: I know. I'll be twenty seven in August. That's pretty
- 20:38Speaker 9: old for them. Married girl, but I'm not worried. Get
- 20:40Speaker 9: interested in more important things when you get older, isn't
- 20:42Speaker 9: it right?
- 20:43Speaker 5: Oh, yes, that's right.
- 20:44Speaker 9: I remember when I was in junior college. How boy
- 20:46Speaker 9: crazy I was. I remember that junior prom I went to.
- 20:50Speaker 9: Seems such a long time ago.
- 20:52Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 20:52Speaker 9: I had the most beautiful white dress, sergeant with sequence.
- 20:56Speaker 9: The script was all white and NAT gathered in here
- 20:58Speaker 9: at the waist and flared out.
- 21:00Speaker 5: Real fool.
- 21:01Speaker 9: I went to the dancer with one of the big
- 21:02Speaker 9: football players. He looks so nicely. He's blue suit. His
- 21:05Speaker 9: name was Stanley. I knew him for a long time.
- 21:08Speaker 9: He's one of the fellas who asked me to marry him.
- 21:10Speaker 9: I guess I was too particular. I I just couldn't
- 21:12Speaker 9: see any of 'em.
- 21:14Speaker 4: Uh would you mind if I light out a few
- 21:15Speaker 4: facts for you, Miss Wilson, Well, not at all, sir,
- 21:17Speaker 4: didn't go ahead.
- 21:18Speaker 5: Please Now, I'm not trying to embarrass you in anyway.
- 21:20Speaker 4: But since we've been on this case, we've checked with
- 21:22Speaker 4: just about all the friends that you've had in the
- 21:24Speaker 4: past few years, and that includes your boyfriends.
- 21:26Speaker 5: And oh, none.
- 21:27Speaker 4: Of the fellas that you've mentioned say they've ever proposed
- 21:30Speaker 4: marriage to you, say they've been out with He once
- 21:32Speaker 4: or twice, but that's all.
- 21:33Speaker 9: Oh, well, you probably didn't talk to the right fellas.
- 21:36Speaker 9: You probably got the names mixed.
- 21:37Speaker 5: Ome we did and we talked to the right people.
- 21:39Speaker 9: Oh, I can't understand that.
- 21:40Speaker 5: Neither can way. Miss Wilson.
- 21:42Speaker 9: Well, what difference doesn't make anyway? I wasn't interested in him.
- 21:45Speaker 9: I I wouldn't have married them anyway. Going out and
- 21:47Speaker 9: dancing parties, that's all they were interested in. What reason
- 21:50Speaker 9: did you have for lying to it? Parking and the
- 21:52Speaker 9: car and enacting with girls, trying to take advantage of them,
- 21:55Speaker 9: that's all those fellas wanted, some of the silly girls
- 21:58Speaker 9: they married. Well, I know you discover a lot more
- 22:00Speaker 9: important things when you get older.
- 22:01Speaker 5: Sergeant, Well, I don't think that's the point. Why did
- 22:03Speaker 5: you lie to us about it?
- 22:05Speaker 9: I don't know, really, Maybe I didn't have a reason.
- 22:07Speaker 9: I just didn't remember, right, I guess.
- 22:09Speaker 5: Well, you're sure you remember right about what happened tonight.
- 22:12Speaker 9: What do you mean it just happened? Of course, I'm
- 22:13Speaker 9: sure about it. Someone tried to kill me.
- 22:16Speaker 4: H might as well park on Spring Street. Fan, it's
- 22:18Speaker 4: pretty clear this time night.
- 22:19Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, sergeant, I wish you'd tell me what you're
- 22:23Speaker 9: getting at. What are you thinking?
- 22:25Speaker 4: Well, there's still a few things that we're not too
- 22:26Speaker 4: sure of as well, so we'd like to clear them up.
- 22:28Speaker 9: Why aren't you too sure of? I told you everything
- 22:31Speaker 9: I knew I was. I was lying down the dressing
- 22:33Speaker 9: room and somebody tried to kill me. I told you
- 22:34Speaker 9: all about it.
- 22:35Speaker 5: Well, you told us you were unconscious about forty five minutes.
- 22:38Speaker 9: Well, if you have forty or.
- 22:39Speaker 5: Forty five, Well, we talked to the doctor at Georgia Street.
- 22:42Speaker 4: From the way you described the attack it but it
- 22:44Speaker 4: would have been just about impossible for anybody to make
- 22:46Speaker 4: you unconscious that long by pressing his hands against your head.
- 22:49Speaker 9: What do you hit me on the head too? You
- 22:51Speaker 9: can see the bruise here, Well.
- 22:52Speaker 4: You ask, ma'am, I know that's very slight. The doctor
- 22:54Speaker 4: says that couldn't have done it either. I just meant
- 22:57Speaker 4: I'll get the done hair.
- 23:05Speaker 9: What else aren't you sure of?
- 23:06Speaker 5: Well, your wrists were taped individually.
- 23:08Speaker 4: Now, if somebody wanted to restrain you, they probably would
- 23:10Speaker 4: have taped them together.
- 23:11Speaker 5: Wouldn't they.
- 23:11Speaker 9: Well I don't know what they would have done. All
- 23:13Speaker 9: I know is they wanted to kill me. They said,
- 23:15Speaker 9: so on of those letters.
- 23:16Speaker 7: We're not too sure of those letters either, Miss Wilson.
- 23:18Speaker 7: What aren't you sure of where they're coming from and
- 23:21Speaker 7: who's sending We do know they were.
- 23:23Speaker 5: All written with the same person.
- 23:24Speaker 9: How do you know that they're signed by two different people?
- 23:26Speaker 7: A handwriting man checked them over. He says, you're written
- 23:29Speaker 7: with the same person.
- 23:31Speaker 5: You might as well have it straight, Miss Wilson.
- 23:33Speaker 9: We're gonna talk cat. We do it inside someplace, please,
- 23:35Speaker 9: I'm tired.
- 23:36Speaker 7: Oh, I'm sorry, all right, thank Joe. Yeah, I'll see
- 23:46Speaker 7: if the laking finger Princes is finishing.
- 23:48Speaker 4: That's yeah, I'll bring it along. If they are, we'll
- 23:50Speaker 4: be in the interrogation of all right this way.
- 23:52Speaker 5: Miss Wilson.
- 23:55Speaker 9: Oh, man, I know used to be on the police force.
- 23:57Speaker 9: Nice fellow. We used to go out all the time together.
- 24:00Speaker 5: So what's his name?
- 24:01Speaker 9: Well, that's funny, I don't remember. He's not a nice
- 24:03Speaker 9: fellow though. We used to be dnswering every week.
- 24:07Speaker 4: Right, I started questioning Dorothy Wilson, but she wanted to
- 24:14Speaker 4: talk about everything except what.
- 24:16Speaker 5: Concerned the case.
- 24:17Speaker 4: Dean Bergmann and Layton Fingerprints had already checked each article
- 24:20Speaker 4: that was found at the supposed scene of the crime.
- 24:23Speaker 7: The Wilson girls, Prince were all over them. Did you
- 24:25Speaker 7: write those writing letters to yourself?
- 24:27Speaker 9: Miss Wilson, I don't understand. Why do you ask me
- 24:29Speaker 9: something like that?
- 24:31Speaker 5: Did you write the letters to yourself?
- 24:33Speaker 9: You know that's not a fair question, Sergeant.
- 24:35Speaker 5: I don't know what you consider fair, but we'd like
- 24:37Speaker 5: to know did you write the letters?
- 24:40Speaker 9: Do you know what it is to pray, Sergeant, I mean,
- 24:42Speaker 9: really pray?
- 24:43Speaker 5: What's that got to do with it.
- 24:44Speaker 9: I've been praying all my life. I've been praying hard
- 24:47Speaker 9: ever since I was a little girl.
- 24:49Speaker 5: We'd like to have your answer our question, Miss Wilson.
- 24:51Speaker 9: I think you'll understand. This is the answer, Sergeant. I
- 24:55Speaker 9: can feel the Holy Spirit in my heart. I know
- 24:57Speaker 9: you'll understand.
- 24:58Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am.
- 25:00Speaker 9: I been praying for an awfully long time, Sergeant. Now,
- 25:02Speaker 9: I was a little girl, six years old. I was
- 25:04Speaker 9: praying night and day. I said my prayers, but there
- 25:07Speaker 9: never seemed to be any answer. I never could understand
- 25:09Speaker 9: it because I only prayed for one thing. I didn't
- 25:12Speaker 9: think it was too much to ask what was that.
- 25:14Speaker 9: I wanted people to know me, Sergeant. I wanted people
- 25:18Speaker 9: to know me and like me, that's all. But it
- 25:19Speaker 9: never seemed to happen, even when I was a little girl.
- 25:22Speaker 5: Don't think I quite follow you, man.
- 25:23Speaker 9: You've got to understand me. Nobody else does. The time
- 25:27Speaker 9: I was a little girl six, nobody ever seemed to
- 25:29Speaker 9: care if I was around or not. I always tried
- 25:32Speaker 9: to make friends, try to make people like me. I
- 25:34Speaker 9: tried very hard, but nobody seemed to care. Nobody even
- 25:37Speaker 9: noticed me. Nobody ever noticed me.
- 25:40Speaker 4: You mean, that's why you wrote those threatened letters to yourself,
- 25:42Speaker 4: so that you'd be noticed.
- 25:43Speaker 9: I wanted somebody to care about me, that's all. I
- 25:46Speaker 9: wanted them to know who I was, Dorothy Wilson. I
- 25:49Speaker 9: wanted to walk down the street and have people nod
- 25:51Speaker 9: and have them say that's Dorothy Wilson. It was Dorothy Wilson.
- 25:55Speaker 9: Just for somebody to care, that's all, sergeant, Just for
- 25:57Speaker 9: somebody to care.
- 25:57Speaker 4: Well, And the whole thing's purely your imagination. You wrote
- 26:00Speaker 4: the letters to yourself, and you pretended somebody attacked you
- 26:03Speaker 4: and all the rest.
- 26:04Speaker 9: God told me to do it, sergeant. He told me
- 26:07Speaker 9: to make myself noticed, to stand up and make people
- 26:10Speaker 9: know me. I'm sorry for it now, but it didn't
- 26:13Speaker 9: hurt anyone, did it.
- 26:14Speaker 5: Well, ma'am, you had an awful lot of people working
- 26:16Speaker 5: for nothing.
- 26:17Speaker 9: I'm sorry. It was so nice while it lasted, people
- 26:21Speaker 9: looking after me, caring about where I went, what happened
- 26:25Speaker 9: to me. It's the first time anybody ever really noticed me.
- 26:28Speaker 5: It was that important to you.
- 26:30Speaker 9: People knew who I was, Dorothy Wilson. They all noticed me.
- 26:35Speaker 9: I feel better now that it's over. Oh, there's one
- 26:39Speaker 9: thing I got to tell you, Sergeant. Yes, ma'am, remember
- 26:42Speaker 9: driving here in the car I told you about that
- 26:44Speaker 9: Junior Prime I went to the time. I had a
- 26:46Speaker 9: beautiful white night dress with a full skirt, the beautiful
- 26:49Speaker 9: new white dress.
- 26:50Speaker 5: Yes, I remember what about it?
- 26:52Speaker 9: Well, it was really pink garden dye, an old dress.
- 26:55Speaker 9: I knew you'd find out. That's why I had to
- 26:57Speaker 9: tell you. Yeah, I didn't want you to think I would.
- 27:06Speaker 2: The story you've just heard was true, only the names
- 27:09Speaker 2: were changed to protect the innocent.
- 27:16Speaker 3: By her own admission, Dorothy Wilson was guilty of filing
- 27:19Speaker 3: a false crime report, a misdemeanor. She was released into
- 27:22Speaker 3: the custody of her mother. You adjust her dragnet. The
- 27:26Speaker 3: series of authentic cases transcribed from official files. Technical advice
- 27:30Speaker 3: comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H.
- 27:32Speaker 5: Parker. This is NBC, the National Broadcasting Company.
- 27:46Speaker 1: Welcome back. As I was listening to this episode, I
- 27:50Speaker 1: was reminded of an episode of the nineteen sixties TV
- 27:53Speaker 1: series from season three of Dragnet Burglary d Are thirty one,
- 28:01Speaker 1: which folks might remember as the Crimson Crusader episode, where
- 28:06Speaker 1: a young man dressed as this superhero committed these burglaries
- 28:11Speaker 1: of movie memorabilia. Now, of course, there are differences in
- 28:16Speaker 1: the details of what crime they committed and how that
- 28:21Speaker 1: played out, but they both had these scenes where they
- 28:25Speaker 1: broke down and admitted to why they were doing what
- 28:28Speaker 1: they were doing, and I think the motivations were at
- 28:33Speaker 1: their core very similar, this sort of quest for significance
- 28:37Speaker 1: and how they dealt with feeling totally insignificant to everyone
- 28:43Speaker 1: around them. In both cases, Friday and his partner were
- 28:48Speaker 1: straightforward but gentle. This was not a case where you
- 28:53Speaker 1: break someone over the colls. It's a sad situation that's
- 28:58Speaker 1: happened to them in this live and it's not something
- 29:02Speaker 1: that law enforcement has any ability to fix. I definitely
- 29:06Speaker 1: feel bad for the pastor in this story, because this
- 29:10Speaker 1: is such a drating and challenging experience for a pastor
- 29:16Speaker 1: to deal with, because obviously he's concerned about her, but
- 29:21Speaker 1: he's also has to wonder about people in his congregation
- 29:26Speaker 1: and are any of them capable of this? And then
- 29:30Speaker 1: of course just the tone of the letters, at least
- 29:34Speaker 1: as described or unpleasant, and you never quite know when
- 29:38Speaker 1: that's going to escalate to something far worse. Now it
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