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Republican Hoosiers not engaging in the redistricting debate. · Tony Katz | Popcorn Moment

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  Speaker 1: hear to believe. Then grab your popcorn because there is more.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the popcorn moment. I was there at the listening
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  Speaker 1: session in terre Hote, which some people are telling me
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  Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Am I not supposed to call it terre Hote? Is
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  Speaker 2: it terra Hate? I've done it both ways.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to do it wrong, but hey, some
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  Speaker 1: people want to be pronunciation people. Uh, if you've got
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  Speaker 1: the better way to pronounce it. I always thought it
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  Speaker 1: was tara Hate. I guess maybe it's terra Hote. You
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  Speaker 1: tell me, I'll do it your way. Senator Gregory good
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  Speaker 1: greg good Goode had a listening session about redistricting. This
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  Speaker 1: is the idea that legislators get to draw the maps
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  Speaker 1: of congressional districts, and you can draw the map any.
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  Speaker 2: Which way you choose.
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  Speaker 1: It is a completely legal process, a political process that
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  Speaker 1: any party that has power can engage in.
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  Speaker 2: It is not unconstitutional. Oh that one. Let me at
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  Speaker 2: least set the scene. Drive down Saturday to Vigo County,
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  Speaker 2: drive down and park and.
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  Speaker 1: I realized, while there's a line to get in, where's
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  Speaker 1: the where's the fanfare?
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  Speaker 2: I was?
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  Speaker 1: I was concerned. I was expecting crowds. I was expecting
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  Speaker 1: a thing. There's nothing. I'd asked the question, where was
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  Speaker 1: turning for USA? They put out the the graphics about it. Hey, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: listening session. I'm sorry, I thought this mattered. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know where you were. I don't know where the Republican
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  Speaker 1: Party was. Vigo County had some kind of Republican breakfast.
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  Speaker 1: They had Diego Morales speaking there. Oh good lord, guys.
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  Speaker 1: But no one showed up to the thing, to this
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  Speaker 1: listening session. Because I was in the room now, I
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  Speaker 1: heard that some other people got thrown out, other reporters
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  Speaker 1: weren't allowed in.
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  Speaker 2: I got there and something one.
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  Speaker 1: Person knew who I was, and they were like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we've already got some media inside. The New York Times
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  Speaker 1: was inside, The Endee Star was inside.
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  Speaker 2: I was inside. Sinner good shook my hand.
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  Speaker 1: I had spoke for a few minutes with the mayor,
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Sackbun, young guy, nice enough guy. And I sat
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  Speaker 1: down and I listened from ten thirty to one o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: That was the time of the session. That's how long
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  Speaker 1: I stayed. I'd say a couple hundred people showed up. Now,
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  Speaker 1: not a couple hundred people spoke, right, some people they
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  Speaker 1: just filled out a form and that was it.
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  Speaker 2: Now. You weren't a to bring cell phones in by
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  Speaker 2: I guess media was allowed. So we did have a laptop.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have my.
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  Speaker 1: Phone on me or anything like that. And one by
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  Speaker 1: one people came in to a person between them. For
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  Speaker 1: the time that I was there, none of them were
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  Speaker 1: in favor of redistricting, not a single person. And you
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  Speaker 1: could take it at that and be like, well, you
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  Speaker 1: see there it is. They don't care about redistricting, they
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  Speaker 1: don't want it. That crowd was absolutely not representative of Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say that clearly.
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  Speaker 1: That crowd was over the age of sixty, and that
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  Speaker 1: crowd was mostly women.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, it was that crowd.
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  Speaker 1: Also, you could argue, very nice they called Trump a pedophile.
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  Speaker 1: Not all of them, they constant references to Orange Man bad.
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  Speaker 1: I know a fascist when I see one. There was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of that crap. There was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: talk about the shutdown, and of course everything was Trump's
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  Speaker 1: fault and Republican's faults and Republicans this and Republicans that,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know where the Republicans were to make
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  Speaker 1: their case, and I thought it was pretty ignorantly stupid
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  Speaker 1: of them not to be there.
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  Speaker 2: You could have a breakfast that morning but not show up.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they din't show up because they
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  Speaker 2: had jobs to go to afterwards. Maybe they didn't show
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  Speaker 2: up because they had football to watch. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why they didn't show up. But if the Republicans want.
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  Speaker 1: To call a special session for redistricting and then not
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  Speaker 1: engage some support for a state senator who you want
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  Speaker 1: to come your way who was having a listening session, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: great work on the planning. The people there had three
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  Speaker 1: basic arguments. The cost unconstitutional empower grab. The cost of
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  Speaker 1: a special session doing so and changing the district is
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  Speaker 1: unconstitutional in power grab. I'm gonna get through these quickly
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  Speaker 1: for the sake of time here on the show. You
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  Speaker 1: could argue that there's a cost to a special session.
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  Speaker 1: Since no one would have an issue with the cost
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  Speaker 1: of a special session regarding property taxes, we're not actually
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  Speaker 1: bothered by the concept of cost, and I also favor
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  Speaker 1: a special session on property taxes or doing it in
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  Speaker 1: the next session.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody who looks at the special session saying it.
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  Speaker 1: Should have been called now understands we have something called
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  Speaker 1: precedent to work with. But very often people can't actually
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  Speaker 1: engage in strategy. They're so busy being angry and foaming
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  Speaker 1: at the mouth. It's a valueless proposition. I would suggest
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  Speaker 1: not doing it. I dismissed the cost conversation because we're
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  Speaker 1: now talking about costs and what it is we spend. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot of places to save. I start
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  Speaker 1: with Micah Beck with csuv unconstitutional. I heard that a
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  Speaker 1: lot at this listening session, and what I learned is
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  Speaker 1: that America needs a Civics lesson. Yes, the Constitution discusses
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  Speaker 1: a census every ten years. It does not say you
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  Speaker 1: can only engage in a redistricting once every ten years.
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  Speaker 2: Neither does the Indiana State Constitution.
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  Speaker 1: The number of people who simply don't know how to
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  Speaker 1: read or purposely got it wrong or were just genuinely confused.
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  Speaker 1: Was through the roof. We have failed in the very
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  Speaker 1: concept of educating. Hoosiers don't feel good.
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  Speaker 2: Those of you who teach higher ed don't feel good
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 1: This was a resounding expose of your failures.
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  Speaker 2: It is non unconstitutional to redistrict in mid decade.
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  Speaker 1: It is well within the rights of the state to
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  Speaker 1: do so, which brings us to the idea of power grab.
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  Speaker 1: There were some people who noted that seven to two
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  Speaker 1: was unfair. They would like to see more democratic districts,
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  Speaker 1: which brings us, of course, to the point, why does
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  Speaker 1: everyone think seven to two is okay? Seven to two
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  Speaker 1: meaning seven Republicans two Democrats who control the nine congressional
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  Speaker 1: seats in Indiana has it's a made up number. It's
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  Speaker 1: a made up number. Well, Tony, we've drawn the districts
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  Speaker 1: to be fair. You've drawn the districts the way you
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  Speaker 1: drew the districts.
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  Speaker 2: You drew the.
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  Speaker 1: Districts so you can have the appearance of fairness. This
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  Speaker 1: is my argument with the former governor Mitch Daniels. I
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  Speaker 1: am not interested in the appearance of anything. District drawing
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  Speaker 1: is in and of itself a political process. We take
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  Speaker 1: a look at the shutdown, and we have Democrats saying
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  Speaker 1: we will not negotiate unless you do this for us,
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  Speaker 1: meaning the Obamacare subsidies, and we'll let people go hungry.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have air traffic controller not get fed. They're utilizing
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  Speaker 1: their power to try and get what they want. Guys, Hoosiers,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the world of politics. I'd appreciate it if
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  Speaker 1: everybody grew up right now and stop telling me about
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  Speaker 1: how it's unfair. Cut out the nonsense. If Democrats had
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  Speaker 1: what it took to win statewide elections, do you or
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  Speaker 1: could you imagine what they would do with the power.
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  Speaker 1: One of the reasons I put forward to you we
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  Speaker 1: should engage with distancting because I've seen what the political
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  Speaker 1: left does.
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  Speaker 2: With power and I simply disagree with it.
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  Speaker 1: Part of our problem in this conversation is a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are acting like children, screaming and yelling into
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  Speaker 1: the wind or on social media or anywhere else, and
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  Speaker 1: it does no good. They are not planning, they are
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  Speaker 1: not focused. Nothing about what I heard and saw in
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  Speaker 1: terre HOAt has changed my mind, and I do hope
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  Speaker 1: Senator Good recognize it. There are many people who were
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  Speaker 1: not there, and he favors and votes for the redistricting.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't excuse the Republicans. It didn't show up. What
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  Speaker 2: the hell is wrong with you?
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  Speaker 1: This is why you deserve to lose the supermajority because
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  Speaker 1: you act like somehow you ain't affected or it's beneath you.
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  Speaker 2: Get your lazy asses out of bed.
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  Speaker 1: Where is your leadership and why don't they demand better?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's because you have breakfast with Diega Morales and
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  Speaker 1: think you're doing something.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm done yelling at you guys. Sorry I
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  Speaker 2: was yelling at them. I didn't mean to yell at you.
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  Speaker 1: But there's not an argument against redistricting I have heard
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  Speaker 1: so far that is anything more than emotional.
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  Speaker 2: Vote for it. Republicans, do it now,