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Feminist Movie Wednesday: The Last Unicorn · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I never told you a production of iHeartRadio, and today
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  Speaker 1: for our feminist movie Friday, which potentially could be a Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot of things moving around, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it'll be a Friday. We are continuing with our
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  Speaker 1: month of revisiting some childhood favorites of ours. And if
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  Speaker 1: you don't know this, typically how this works is we
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  Speaker 1: alternate Samantha and I choosing the book in the movie.
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  Speaker 1: This month, the movie was mine. Samantha got the book,
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  Speaker 1: which you could already hear. So this is oh I
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  Speaker 1: loved this movie. We are bringing back the animated nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty two film The Last Unicorn, directed and produced by
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  Speaker 1: Arthur Rankin Junior and Jules Bath.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This is where I was like, Oh, I realized the
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  Speaker 3: names are the animators for all the Christmas classics.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all the claymation things. Yeah, yes, that they did
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  Speaker 1: the same.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. The others didn't give me as much
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  Speaker 3: nightmare as this one.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a very different vibe, this one, which we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get into. When I suggested this, I was like, Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: I think this might say something about me but anyway.
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  Speaker 1: It was based on a book from nineteen sixty eight
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  Speaker 1: written by Peter S. Beagle, who also did the screenplay
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  Speaker 1: for the movie, and was animated by the early version
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  Speaker 1: of Studio Ghibli. The cast includes Mia Farrow, Alan Arkin,
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Lee, Jeff Bridges, Tammy Grimes, and Angela Lansberry, so
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  Speaker 1: a lot of big names. It also includes a Bangan
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  Speaker 1: soundtrack from the band America.
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  Speaker 2: A Bangin soundtrack.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I tell you, I would sing it right now
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  Speaker 1: if I didn't think everybody would turn it off. I
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  Speaker 1: loved it. I burnt it on the seat.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes yes. When it came out, while the
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  Speaker 1: reviews were generally positive, it wasn't a commercial success. Since
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  Speaker 1: its released, though, it's become a cult favorite, and in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and three it was named as the ninety
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  Speaker 1: sixth greatest animated film of all time by the Online
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  Speaker 1: Film Critics Society. And the animation is really beautiful. It's
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  Speaker 1: really striking as a couple of different styles throughout that
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  Speaker 1: kind of evoke flipping through a fairy tale book and
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  Speaker 1: something popping off the page. This is also known as
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  Speaker 1: the anti Disney movie, which we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: more two. But yeah, yes, I loved it. I would
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  Speaker 1: watch it over and over. I had the songs, I'd
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  Speaker 1: belt them out. Me and my friends would watch it
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  Speaker 1: and argue about whether or not the unicorn should have
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  Speaker 1: made the choice that she did. I'm sure going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about I was terrified of the red bull, and
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  Speaker 1: I would watch the red of the tail lights of
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  Speaker 1: cars and be scared, like, that's how much scared me? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: And to this day I find myself quoting this movie
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  Speaker 1: most often Molly's speech, how dare you come to me now?
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  Speaker 1: When I am this?
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  Speaker 2: It did? That was poignant.
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  Speaker 1: That was a good speech.
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  Speaker 2: It was she had been waiting all her life. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she's in the worst place in her moments.
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  Speaker 1: Nor shows up. Yes, yes, Now this is interesting to
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  Speaker 1: me because after you watched it, you were like, this
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  Speaker 1: is dropped?
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  Speaker 3: What the hell? How you know when you watch things
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  Speaker 3: as a child, Because Ray our listener who agreed with
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  Speaker 3: me about Zubali Zoo being like, we loved it as
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  Speaker 3: kids and then growing up are like, what what were
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  Speaker 3: we thinking? Oh yeah, that someone was on something.
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  Speaker 1: I was so exc for you to watch it because
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  Speaker 1: I knew I am well aware of what this is.
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  Speaker 3: And this is one of those many classic blunders of
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  Speaker 3: ours because every time you say the last Unicorn, I'm
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  Speaker 3: thinking a legend, which is also a horrifying scape of
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  Speaker 3: like what the hell were you thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Type of movie.
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  Speaker 3: The first for Tom Cruise pantsless, by the way, would
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  Speaker 3: Tim Curry being the most terrifying devil ever. But I
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  Speaker 3: would always get that to who confused. I was always like,
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  Speaker 3: wait what, wait what? And every time you talk about
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  Speaker 3: the last Unicorn, I'm like, I don't remember that part
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  Speaker 3: which I had never seen.
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  Speaker 2: Last Unicorn I've never seen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this was I had made an outline
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, five years ago. That's how long I've
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  Speaker 1: been waiting for this, waiting. But I have a list
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  Speaker 1: of traumatizing children's movies, and I if we could find
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  Speaker 1: a way to work in the Dark Crystal or Watership Down, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be talking about them. You best believe some of
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  Speaker 1: them I've revisited and I'm like, as an adult, this
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  Speaker 1: is not scary. I see you aren't scared me as
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  Speaker 1: a child, those two are still kind of frightening.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the one similar to Dark Crystal, what is it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? With David Bowie.
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  Speaker 2: David Bowie, which that would that's scared of me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I can see that.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see that until I was much older.
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  Speaker 3: See, I never watched and I've never seen Dark Crystal.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like we're definitely divided. We were also different timelines.
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  Speaker 3: But I watched the Labymorth that loved it, never seen
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  Speaker 3: Dark Crystal.
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  Speaker 1: I love Dark Crystal. Maybe we should have just a
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  Speaker 1: if we're ever really busy, we should just have an
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  Speaker 1: episode where we talk about the childhood. Yeah, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: why and why? However, I do think The Last Unicorn
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of feminist thoughts to it. Oh, let's
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  Speaker 1: go okay. So the plot focuses on a female unicorn
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  Speaker 1: who has noticed that something is off about her forest, and,
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  Speaker 1: through some hunters in a cryptic butterfly, she learns that
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  Speaker 1: she may be the last of her kind, and that
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the unicorns have been captured and perhaps
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  Speaker 1: killed by a monstrous entity known as the Red Bull,
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  Speaker 1: who herds them towards the ends of the earth. Though
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  Speaker 1: she is warned it is dangerous not just for her,
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  Speaker 1: but for the animals of her woods, because basically she
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  Speaker 1: protects them just by being there. She leaves her forest
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  Speaker 1: in search of others like her. On her journey, she
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  Speaker 1: is captured by an old woman named Mommy Fortuna, who
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  Speaker 1: cages her and puts her in a traveling circus called
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  Speaker 1: the Midnight Carnival. Most of the creatures on display are
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  Speaker 1: regular animals, but Mommy Fortuna has spelled them to look
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  Speaker 1: magical or different. She even puts a She spells a
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  Speaker 1: horn on the unicorns, since most people have lost their
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  Speaker 1: ability to see the truth of a unicorn's nature, so
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  Speaker 1: they see a white mare. So even though she has
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  Speaker 1: a horn, Fortuna puts another one on her. She has
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  Speaker 1: also caged an immortal and dangerous harpy Seleno, and is
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  Speaker 1: very very proud of this fact. Oh She's so proud.
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  Speaker 1: The unicorn meets and befriends a fledging magician named Schmendrick,
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  Speaker 1: who promises to help release her, which he does, but
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  Speaker 1: in the process he also releases the harpy, who kills
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  Speaker 1: Mommy Fortuna, and basically like Mommy Fortuna, the unicorn says,
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  Speaker 1: your death waits in that cage. She's going to kill you,
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  Speaker 1: and Mommy Fortuna is like, yes, so my immortality is
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  Speaker 1: that I will live forever because I caged her and
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  Speaker 1: she will never be able to forget it. This scene
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  Speaker 1: real evil. Oh yeah, ooh. It stuck with me so
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  Speaker 1: much because Mommy Fortuna is so gleeful at having captured
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  Speaker 1: this heart harpy, even knowing she's gonna die and have
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  Speaker 1: this violent death by this harpy. The music that's playing
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  Speaker 1: when it happens, Oh my gosh, and the harpy like
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  Speaker 1: kind of eats at her. Oh the unicorn Schmindrick have
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  Speaker 1: to slowly walk away so as not to draw her attention.
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  Speaker 1: This was also a cool moment in terms of, like,
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  Speaker 1: you have the unicorn, let the harpye go because they're
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  Speaker 1: both immortals and they understand each other. But it was
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  Speaker 1: a cool moment in terms of, like, this is a
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  Speaker 1: very dangerous world. I feel like a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: fantasies around unicorns are like, oh, it's all nice and
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  Speaker 1: nothing violent happens, and this was like oh no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 1: And she was very aware that the Harpie was going
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  Speaker 1: to do this when she released her. So they then
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  Speaker 1: run into a roving band of brigands that are they're
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  Speaker 1: kind of painted as the sad robin Hood crew. They're
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  Speaker 1: like eating water soup and Schmindric uses his magic to
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  Speaker 1: startle them by kind of summoning of the real robin
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  Speaker 1: Hood and crew. And this is when Schmindrick and another
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  Speaker 1: very traumatizing scene, is tied to Uh and then uses
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  Speaker 1: his magic to try. He just is like magic to
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  Speaker 1: as you will, and it turns the tree into a big,
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  Speaker 1: bosomest sentient tree that is smothering him with her breast.
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  Speaker 1: He's very voluptuous breast.
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  Speaker 3: Lopsided, voluptuous breast. But you already see there's indidentations in
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  Speaker 3: the tree before she becomes the tree, which makes me laugh.
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  Speaker 3: And then also like the vibe that she's like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I love you, I love you.
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  Speaker 2: All will kill you, we will die together.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, like, my god, what is happening?
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  Speaker 1: Yep? Yep, this was the scene in a movie that
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  Speaker 1: I loved Uh. And the unicorn comes and rescues him
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  Speaker 1: and turns the tree back into a tree. All is
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  Speaker 1: all as well. But this is also when they are
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  Speaker 1: joined by Captain Collie's lover. So Captain Colley was the
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  Speaker 1: leader of the sad robin Hood troop, Mollie Grew, who
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  Speaker 1: immediately wants to aid the unicorn in her journey, and
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  Speaker 1: this is when she gives her speech which I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about mo. As they get closer to King
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  Speaker 1: Haggard's Castle, which is where the unicorns are rumored to be,
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  Speaker 1: they run into the Red Bull and all of his fiery,
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  Speaker 1: angry glory. In a panic, Schmindrick uses his magic to
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  Speaker 1: transform her into a human woman. The Red Bull loses
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  Speaker 1: interest and retreats. He only cares about unicorns, but the
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  Speaker 1: Unicorn is in total shock in this new body and
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  Speaker 1: with her new family mortality, having never experienced mortality before.
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  Speaker 1: Both she and Molly are angry at Schmindrick, but he
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  Speaker 1: promises to turn her back. At the end of their journey,
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  Speaker 1: they arrive at Haggard's castle, which is on this really
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  Speaker 1: craggy cliff on sea. He is not a very welcoming host,
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  Speaker 1: but they are able to convince him that Schmindrick should
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  Speaker 1: be his court magician and maybe bring him a smile.
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  Speaker 1: That he's made clear nothing gives him joy anymore, so
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  Speaker 1: that's how they're like, maybe this guy can. And he
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  Speaker 1: also takes an interest in the unicorn introduced in human
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  Speaker 1: form as Lady in Mauthea, Mollie grew. Meanwhile, is tasked
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  Speaker 1: with working in the kitchen. It's also really revealed that
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  Speaker 1: other than the adopted prince Lear, pretty much no one
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  Speaker 1: lives in this castle. On top of that, the magician
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  Speaker 1: that Haggard kicked out for Schmndrick recognizes the truth of
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  Speaker 1: Amalthea and warrens Haggard he has invited in his own
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  Speaker 1: doom and then disappears, literally disappears. Oh how could I
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  Speaker 1: forget the pirate cat that has an I patch?
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  Speaker 2: And he says, up a cat.
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  Speaker 3: I have to talk in riddles, but I'll like, but
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  Speaker 3: you're also talking a pirate This doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's so good, all right. So, now experiencing human
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  Speaker 1: emotions for the first time, Malthia finds herself confused and
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  Speaker 1: forgetting her existence as a unicorn and falling in love
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  Speaker 1: with prince Lear. She even starts pondering the possibility of
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  Speaker 1: throwing her whole question the side in favor of immortal
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  Speaker 1: wife with him. Haggard confronts her and admits he's disappointed,
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  Speaker 1: and Leir is depressed, and then he keeps trying to
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  Speaker 1: find happiness in the waves in the sea. He also
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  Speaker 1: threatens her and he knows that there's more to her
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  Speaker 1: than she is letting on, more than meets the eye,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps because when he first looked in her eye, all
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  Speaker 1: he could see was far as she was from. And
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  Speaker 1: then he looks into her eyes and he sees his reflection,
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  Speaker 1: so he knows something's up. Mollie discovers the location of
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  Speaker 1: the Red Bull from the castle's talking pirate cat. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they have to go to a skeleton, get the skeleton drunk,
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  Speaker 1: and wait for a certain time on the clock. The
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  Speaker 1: skeleton talks too, by the way, and the skeleton recognizes
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  Speaker 1: that Amalthia is a unicorn, but Molly Spindrik, Amalthia, and
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  Speaker 1: Leir make their way through the cock into some kind
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  Speaker 1: of magical realm and then into the Red Bull's lair,
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  Speaker 1: and Schmindrick reveals to Lear the truth of a Malthea's identity,
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  Speaker 1: and Lear proclaims he loves who he loves. Hearing this,
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  Speaker 1: a Mathia expresses her desire to forget about the unicorns
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  Speaker 1: and marry Lear, but he persuades her otherwise. Now trapped
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  Speaker 1: in the bull's lair by Haggard, the Bull appears and
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  Speaker 1: is able to see through a Maltheu's disguise, Schmendrick transforms
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  Speaker 1: her back into the unicorn. The bull starts hurting her
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  Speaker 1: to the ocean, as it has with all the other unicorns,
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  Speaker 1: but Lear attacks it, dying in the process. Yeah. The
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  Speaker 1: unicorn turns on the bowl and forces him into the
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  Speaker 1: ocean just as he is done with the unicorns. The
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  Speaker 1: trapped unicorns, which were the whites of the tides, escape
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  Speaker 1: the water and the red bull is pushed under the surface.
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  Speaker 1: Haggard watches this unfold as his castle collapses and he
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  Speaker 1: is swallowed into the sea. As he shouts the last
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  Speaker 1: I knew you were the last. The unicorn uses her
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  Speaker 1: magic to bring Leir back to life, but leaves him.
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  Speaker 1: Lee wants to fight for her, but Schmendrick tells him
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  Speaker 1: that he is perhaps the only human who can say
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  Speaker 1: he has won unicorns love. Schmendrick also apologizes to the
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  Speaker 1: unicorn for exposing her to regret and the feelings of mortality,
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  Speaker 1: but she argues the importance of her experiencing regret and
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  Speaker 1: love and how their actions help free the unicorns. She doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: and she's basically like, you know, is it better to
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  Speaker 1: have loved and lost or never to have loved? At all,
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, it's better to have loved and lost.
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  Speaker 1: I know, regret, and I'm glad that I do. She
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  Speaker 1: disappears into the forest a Shmindrick and Molly watch, and
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  Speaker 1: that's how it is.
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  Speaker 3: Mollie doesn't get to say goodbye. She's asleep. I was
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  Speaker 3: very disappointed by that. Why couldn't Molly say goodbye?
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  Speaker 1: Molly needed to say goodbye.
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  Speaker 3: She should have been able to say goodbye.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the unicorn just leaves the unicorns by homies.
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  Speaker 1: He said, yes, yes, yes, yes, Well, I have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of thoughts about this whole thing, and I'm gonna
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: condense them. You can't find a lot of articles about
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  Speaker 1: it online, though I am not the only one who's
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  Speaker 1: thought about this. And recently it came back into theaters
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  Speaker 1: and I was reading that people would do side by side,
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  Speaker 1: So somebody who's seen it before and someone who hasn't.
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  Speaker 1: It was really funny because the person who hasn't it
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  Speaker 1: was like, well, I cannot believe this is a child movie.
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  Speaker 1: Like most of the time, they loved it, but it
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  Speaker 1: was like, so.
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  Speaker 3: That would have been using what the hell am I watching? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. It does exist, though if you would
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  Speaker 1: like to check it out. So I think a side
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  Speaker 1: probably we saw this when I was like eight or
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  Speaker 1: nine the first time, and even then there were some
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  Speaker 1: things that just stood out to me because it was
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  Speaker 1: so different than a Disney movie. It's it's very melancholy,
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  Speaker 1: like the whole vibe of it is very lonely, and
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  Speaker 1: you can pick up on that pretty quickly. These are
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  Speaker 1: very flawed characters, all of them have I would say,
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  Speaker 1: a pretty big flaw, or at least like something that
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  Speaker 1: stands out as they need to work on that. And
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: the ending is very bittersweet. It's a very very bittersweet ending,
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  Speaker 1: and for some reason I loved it as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm going to talk about more in a minute,
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  Speaker 1: but I really loved it. And one of the things,
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  Speaker 1: especially with Molly grew and that speech that meant so
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  Speaker 1: much to me, where she's essentially saying like, how dare
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  Speaker 1: you come to me now? And I am this when
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  Speaker 1: I'm old, because in most things we see, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: young when you meet the unicorn, like you're in the
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  Speaker 1: prime of your youth when that happens, and she's angry,
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  Speaker 1: Like I remember that she was so angry at it,
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  Speaker 1: and the Unicorn says, you know, I'm here now, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just a very sweet, very real scene. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like a part of that was also because
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  Speaker 3: when you first meet her, she's also a villain, the
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  Speaker 3: way she's like, gut s Mindrick, just gut them, just
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  Speaker 3: gut just kill them, just gut them.
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  Speaker 2: He's magical.
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  Speaker 3: Get him out of here, because she's already bitter. She's
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  Speaker 3: very much having to have taken care of these people.
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  Speaker 3: She's like obviously very I felt like the worn and everything.
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  Speaker 3: And then she sees the Unicorn, which is supposed to
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  Speaker 3: bring hope in life. It's just like, what the hell,
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  Speaker 3: why can't you do this in my prime before I
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  Speaker 3: lost all hope?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. She's just been having this kind of
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  Speaker 1: miserable life and she sees the unicorn and it makes
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  Speaker 1: her angry and I liked that take. But she does
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  Speaker 1: she kind of has a good angry cry within her
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  Speaker 1: and the unicorn or like they worked it out and
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  Speaker 1: they're on good terms.
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  Speaker 2: They worn't it out, they did.
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  Speaker 3: Her attitude changes because then she also has a really
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  Speaker 3: big encouragement for Schmindric.
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  Speaker 2: She is like the force of reason among the group.
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  Speaker 1: It seems Yeah. Yeah, she's very supportive because at first
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  Speaker 1: she was really mad at Schmindrick when he turned Mauthia
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  Speaker 1: into Malthia, and then when we have to change her
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  Speaker 1: back to a unicorn, and Mollie was like, well what
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  Speaker 1: she wants.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, free will, but it does seem with
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  Speaker 3: because she is also the one that said, Spindric, help
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  Speaker 3: your magician.
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  Speaker 2: You're supposed to be.
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  Speaker 3: Why don't you protect her when she was being like
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: hurted by the red bull and we just watched them watching, which,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: by the way, I was like, y'all did nothing. It's
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: just like, Okay, the bull's gonna do the thing.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Keep doing the bull thing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I guess, keep on, keep it on. That's what the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: bull does. Yeah, and so Smendrick his original his whole
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: thing is he can do magic, but it usually doesn't
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: do the thing he wants it to do. So he
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: didn't mean to turn the unicorn into a human woman.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: He was just trying to turn her into another animal
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: so that the bull would lose interest, and that was
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: part of the anger. I mean, I don't know if
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I can that the unicorn was distraught, like she was crying.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: She said, I can feel his body dying all around me,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Like she was devastated by this, and so I think
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: it went from you know, he accidentally did this too.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Now she's just dealing with all of these really heavy
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: emotions and is she's confused, like she forget where she
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: is and who she is. And so I think Mollie
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: was really angry at first because of that she saw
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: this pain. But then when it seemed like she was
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: adjusting to being human and happy, and she's like, well,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: maybe we should let her that's what she wants. Oh,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: but yeah, there are a lot of themes around age
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and beauty and lost youth and a valuing of the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: young and innocent that you can see in Mollie's monologue. Also,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: there's so many themes of power that I was talking
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: about earlier, what you see in the kind of immortal realm.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: And so you have the power of the Harpy and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: then Mommy fortuna that power and wanting to control that power.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: To reiterate, I was terrified of the Harpy. She is terrifying.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: The music is scary, It plays like every time like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: lightning goes off behind her. The design for the Harpy
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: is very, very terrifying. Okay, here's a quote I found
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: from AV Club. There's no way to get around it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: For children, The Last Unicorn is terrifying. The Rank and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Bass animated feature released in nineteen eighty two, features a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: tremendous voice cast, but it's not the voices that stick
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: in the mind, nor is it the story. Though it
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: certainly possesses many classical elements that contribute to its staying power,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it isn't the music, the animation, or the message. No,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the reason for The Last unicorns longevity is much simpler
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: than any of that. It was scary as hell. Yes,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I also found some articles when I was looking into
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you got of the feminism of this movie that they
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: made the point that, you know, the Harpy has three
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: pendulous breasts. The tree that almost killed Sminjic has these
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: two big boobs, but they're not sexy, they're not sexualized.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: They're scary, a sexual nightmare. I feel like I heard
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: someone describe it and again, Schmendrick. He's the one that
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: transformed the tree into that with his magic, and I
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: think you could maybe read some things in there.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's portrayed seemingly as younger in my mind
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: for some odd reason, but maybe not because I was like, wait,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: do he and Molly live happily ever after?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I'm confused. Yeah, they just platonic friends.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: It kind of was like insinuating like they were going
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to be together each other.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean it ends with them together
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and presumably going to stay together if it's friends or otherwise.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: But I always got I picked up on a kind
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: of romantic thing. But I don't know. I don't know.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: There's also a lot of stuff in the movie about
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: fake magic and truth. So again going back to Spindrick's abilities,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and it's played as a joke at first because when
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: he's trying to get the unicorn out of her cage,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: he tries to do all these spells and just make
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: things worse, and then he's finally is like, well, I
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: pickpocket at the key, so we'll just do that. But
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: over time he gets better, and it's kind of that's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: one of his failings, is that he's more concerned about
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: his ability to do magic than he is about helping sometimes,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you know. And he also transforms the unicorn both times
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: against her will. Really he doesn't ask her. He is
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: trying to help her, but that's not really what she
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: would have wanted. And then when you were talking about
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the traveling circus, where not only do you have these
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: like a regular lion spelled to look like a manicore,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: you have a real unicorn spelled to look like a
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: unicorn because people can't see it, so sort of the truth.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: People can't see the truth, they need the fake magic.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And I we're going to talk about this a little
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: bit more at the end, but there's been a lot
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of conversation about that and about people not being able
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to see her for what she truly is, Like that's
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: what she is, and they can't see her for that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: She even has the line in there where she says
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: men only see what they want to see. But just
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: all the of these illusions that are placed over this world,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: this lack of respect for magic.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Right, and she does talk about like the fact when
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the men are talking about that horse, it's just a horse,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: is like.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: How dare you? How dare you call me a mere mayor? Yeah?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Do you not see who?
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: She she's hep you offend it?
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, no, she is very offended. And I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: do kind of like it's so hard to describe how
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: strange this movie is at points, but I love how
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the strangeness is embraced as like, oh, butterflies are just
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: strange that way. But she has like all this old
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: world immortal knowledge and we don't as humans were like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: what are you're talking about? I love it? And then
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you have I would say. There's also lear posturing and
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: trying to win a Malthia over. So he keeps like
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: fighting dragons and skinning them and presenting the skin to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: her and she could care less. She is so unimpressed.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: But that's sort of the hero's journey, and I like
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that it's flipped here where she's like, leave me be man,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and he's so angry about it. He's like, I've done
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: everything right. I'm the hero.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I also love Molly is a sounding board for him. Yes,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: she's like, well, you know, maybe you should just talk
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: to her, Maybe you should get.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: To know her.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Do you think she wants this thing?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe we should use our words that she says like
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: maybe the lady and Mathia is not impressed by these
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: heroic deeds. Yeah, she really is the voice of reason
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Oh, this brings us to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest themes in my opinion, regret, depression,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and loneliness. Like I said, it is, it hangs over
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: this movie from the minute it starts, and it because
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: of the way the animation is, which if you haven't
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: seen this, but you happen to have seen the animated
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, this is the same studio.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: It's like quiet, like they there's no music you can
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: hear like the birds and but it's very quiet.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: But the opening scenes happened because I have like little
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: speakers around sound.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Then I was like what those words?
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean essentially you're just listening to the forest.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And then the two hunters come in and they have
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: this pretty heavy conversation about like, yeah, there are no
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: more unicorns. If you're here, unicorn, you're the last. And
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it's just then she's like, what how could I be
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the last? And then it does break into an America song,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: But it's just got this immediate loneliness, quiet melancholy feeling
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: about it. It's very apparent, and her whole journey starts
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: with her questioning, oh am I the last? I can't be.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It's a very lonely movie, like everybody in it is lonely.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: And I mean there are lines that when I was
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: rewatching it for this I just thought, Wow, me as
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a kid, I did not understand that. But one of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: them is there are no happy endings because nothing ever ends.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: What kind of Oh my gosh, but that's kind of
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Schmindrick says that to Molly. Oh yeah, r.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Wit and nonshysical abilities.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but it's just it's got plenty of lines
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: like that. It has that emotional Molly Greo speech, it
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: has these really raw clearly saying this is not the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: fairy tale that you get from Disney pretty much, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that whole idea of her being the only unicorn to
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: ever have known love and regret and what she had
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: to give up to save all of the other unicorns.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: There's another Linemindric has, don't cry. If you become human
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: enough to cry, then all the magic in the world
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: cannot change you back. Woof. But this is where me
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and my my friends kind of disagreed is I thought
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I thought she should have turned back into a unicorn.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I liked that they didn't get together her and Lear
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: not because I didn't. I just thought it was different,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and I kind of appreciated that it ended on, not
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: an angry note, but just sort of like death. Well,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: he got brought back, he got he does, Yes, he does.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: She brings him back with her magic.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I thought she just touched him and he remained there
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: the whole time.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: He laid there.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: No, he comes back.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I was waiting for him to come back and he didn't.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Did I miss that part?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yow? Yes, he comes back and he's talking to That's
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: when Schmindrick tells him, you're the only one to have
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: ever won over a unicorn. Okay, but that's why I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: love the line too, not that whole bit he's dead
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and dead good next.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I think I really was like, okay, that makes sense.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he comes back and he asked to
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: meet the unicorn again, and Schmindrick is kind of like,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you gotta go live your life, and so he does.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: He rides off.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Man, I really forgot that part. And to the left,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: she saved.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Him, and that's that was the thing. That was the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: how she was able to fight off the red Bull
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: because she was being hurted into the water. But then
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: she was so upset that the red Bull had killed
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: him that she forced the red Bull into the water
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and saved him.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: That's funny. Ending was like, he died, okay, but he
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: can't taste her moving on.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: No, no, but he I mean, that's what I liked
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: about he he respected, you know, we had that time
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: he said I love whom I love and then he
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: went to go build his own community. And I like
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: how she the unicorn was like, I'm glad, I'm no regret.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I have known regret, and I don't feel worse for it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I feel better for it. I thought that was very
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: unique and I liked it. But my friends were like,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: they should have gotten together left definitely ever after all
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: of this, and then we got into a fight about
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: attractiveness and yeah, oh I remember all did too much.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: We had a lot of thoughts about this movie. And
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: then obviously I remember the first time I watched this
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: as like an adult, and I just it was so
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: clear to me. This is about depression, especially with King Haggard.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: They don't even try to hide it. He is depressed.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: He is miserable. Nothing makes him happy. He cages the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: unicorns because he hopes that's the only thing that brings
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: him a little bit of hope, a little bit of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: happiness when he sees them. But he is still so unhappy.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: He adopted his son and hopes that the son would
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: make him happy in it. He didn't and he doesn't
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: care for him, and it's very mean.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Well he says like he says an interest that including
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the magician when he had the original magicians like they
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: did for a minute and then.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: For a minute.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but also it could be a lot to say,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: and I know you're going to probably jump into it
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: in a minute, and you order to say it. For me,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: it felt like not necessarily a depression, but about men's dissatisfaction,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: and so they're going to do they will destroy everything
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: to get what they think will satisfy them.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And that segues into what I think the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: red Bull kind of represents, which is male rage or
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: just like a determination to make yourself feel better. And
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter anything else, anything else, because he is
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: not satisfied he has I mean, it's got to be
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: hundreds of unicorns in the water, but he writes every single.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Like that's the greed, like corporation greed and millionaire billionaire greed.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Is like yeah, I could, but why would I It's
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: for me and I I'll step on everything right and
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: everyone in order to keep it for myself.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean kind of the environmentalist angle would
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: also be they protect their woods, and once they're gone,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: their woods are fair game up for grabs, yeah, for hunters.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: So if he has all of these hundreds of unicorns,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: then that's hundreds of woods that have been left unprotected.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he's and he's very he's very cold,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and he's very angry and just volatile, and he is
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: trying to find a way to expose him Offia and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: she doesn't. She's honestly not even trying to hide anything
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: from him at this point. She's so can fused by
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: being immortal. She doesn't know, and he's just.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Yelling at her, and she was like, calm down, sir.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then in the end, I think
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: is I think this is interesting about the two main
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: villains in the movie, Mommy Fortuna and King Haggard, is
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that their final words are so telling because his are
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: like I knew it, I knew you.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Were like, they are willing to die, destroy everything just
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to get what they want.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, he was almost ecstatic. He was like
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I knew it, and she was too. Mommy Fortuna was too.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: She was like, really, yeah, you will never forget I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: caged you.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: And like its content warning here, but like it kind
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: of reminds me of like a rapist.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: That power they just know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: They don't care if they die, they don't give their
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: punish They just want you to know they have the power.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and and he was that's he was determined
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to have it. And you know, the other interesting thing
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: about that is, as I said, he wasn't happy. He
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't happy at all. Even the unicorns they would give
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: him like a little bit. So all of that destruction
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and all of that power, he couldn't stop doing it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: But he also was just not happy. He wasn't gonna happen.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Which, by the way, there may be at a point
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: where I saw pieces of this movie because I remember
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: the horses in the water, and I thought him meant
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: he drowned them and died killed them. Oh, and that
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: was like that's how he kept them so keeping their
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: bodies in the water.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like I had that memory.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's possible, it's possible.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: That's a nightmare.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a I mean when you realize they're alive,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it is a cool scene when you see them coming
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: up in the waves.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: The entire time and drowning the entire time and can't die.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Just this is when they comes. Another thing about this
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: is no one really truly achieves their dreams. I guess
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you could argue that the unicorn doesn't freeing the unicorns,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: but now she's got this other, she's got this regret.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: The Magician starts as a pretty bad magician. He gets better,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: but he's still like, can't control it necessarily. Mollie is
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: just a drift because she gave up her life for
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: this and now it's, you know, the unicorns going her
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: own way. Lear's going his own way, and she's got
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the magician. But her dream of like meeting unicorn kind
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: of comes and goes, and then Lear's dream of being
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: a hero because he does. He goes to fight the
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: red Bull to save the unicorn, but then pretty much
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: immediately dies and she yeah, exactly exactly. So that brings
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: us to another theme, love and change. Uh so I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I this is something I also really adore about this
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: movie is that you do see change in the characters.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: You see change and even if it doesn't result in
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: like the kind of fairy tale. The disnified fairytale ending
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: because we all know that like the original fairy tales
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: are pretty grim.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Well also like we also have tragedies like Bambi or
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: they have to kill off the parents, so they're not
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: all great.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: But they start, they start bad and get happy.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: So I think although the hound in the oh, no,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's a good ending.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: That's a rough one.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: That's a rough one away you're going sorry, traumatized childhood, trauma.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Child strava. But you know she there are these moments
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: where the unicorn who seemingly has never really met other
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: unicorns there it's been a long long time since she's
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: connected with one, having that loneliness, and then meeting these
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: friends but still kind of feeling disconnected from them because
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: she's not she's immortal, she's not human, and then getting
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: turned into a human and that experience changing her. There's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: even a song in there, Now that I'm a woman,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: everything has changed. There's also a song called Walking Man's Road.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: That song gets stick in my head all the time,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: just randomly out of nowhere. But through her experience knowing
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: humans becoming a human, she does experience love, experience instagrette,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and changes and for that, and I really like that,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and she chooses to stay at unicorn in face of it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: She after experiencing that, she still is like, no, I'm
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a unicorn, but I'm glad. I'm glad I had that
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  Speaker 1: experience and a part I think, she says, like a
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  Speaker 1: part of her will always love lear. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: it didn't go away. She had this thing that really
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  Speaker 1: changed her. Another big piece is being true to yourself.
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  Speaker 1: So she fights the red Bull when it was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be impossible for her to do so because of
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  Speaker 1: what she learned being human, but also because of her
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  Speaker 1: being a unicorn and understanding who she is and what
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  Speaker 1: she's capable of, and no surprise at all to me.
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  Speaker 1: There are a lot of queer takes on the unicorns
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  Speaker 1: transformation to a woman and coming back to her true self.
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  Speaker 1: There's that kind of none of you exist narrative, like
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  Speaker 1: there's no other unicorns, You're the only one. You should
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  Speaker 1: blend into the world. But then she was like, no,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I'm a unicorn. If people wouldn't see me as a unicorn,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: because that is what I am. Here's a quote from
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  Speaker 1: transgen X Girl. But like trans folks who feel the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: need to apply various accouterments early in their transitions, Binder's wigs,
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  Speaker 1: shape wear, excessive makeup, hyperfeminine or hypermaculine clothing, and accessories.
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  Speaker 1: The unicorn knows she is still not her true self.
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  Speaker 1: She even admits at one point that our human body
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  Speaker 1: is dying all around her. Yeah, she had to come
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  Speaker 1: back to who she really was. The Unicorn has also
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: been read as being ace. Yeah, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that does make sense now that you mentioned it, mm,
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  Speaker 1: because she's not the unicorn. She's like, she doesn't need that.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah, she didn't need unicorn mates. She didn't know that. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't know they weren't there, So that's the thing,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, I I clearly love this movie. I
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: think that just the animation and the feeling of it
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  Speaker 1: of it's not sadness, it's just melancholy. It's just I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, but it is hopeful. I would love if
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  Speaker 1: anybody wrote in if you have seen it, or if
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you watch it after this and it's your first time.
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  Speaker 2: The boobies they come out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they do, they do. But thank you Samantha for
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  Speaker 1: going on this traumatizing journey with amazing, amazing. I had
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  Speaker 1: I had a joy. I was singing at the TV.
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