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JFK ASSASSINATION Ep. 355 - Reports From No Name Key · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: H G is up, Jimmy, thank Jimmy, joby send it
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  Speaker 2: Shob doty job.
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  Speaker 3: Brady, I say, Jam Jack.
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  Speaker 4: Sellom show kill we go.
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  Speaker 5: And here we go, Here we go. Indeed, folks, what's up? Everybody's?
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  Speaker 5: Episode number three hundred and fifty five of the Lone
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  Speaker 5: Cooming Podcast reports from No Name Key m And if
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  Speaker 5: you can tell from the show art, it appears we're
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  Speaker 5: in some kind of office surrounded by a big swinging
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  Speaker 5: Dix and Gerald Patrick Hemming on one side and Lauren
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  Speaker 5: Hall on the other. And that's what we're gonna be
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  Speaker 5: talking about tonight. We're gonna be diving into a little
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  Speaker 5: bit trying to figure out who this lester load dude was.
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  Speaker 5: And if you joined this Wednesday Night as an exclusive
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  Speaker 5: channel member Covered Operators and above, you would know what
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  Speaker 5: we were going to talk about here tonight, back on
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  Speaker 5: Wednesday Night, will right, Joe, you.
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  Speaker 4: Would have It's true. And Rob, I think you glossed
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  Speaker 4: over the most prominent person on your episode graphic the image,
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yourself. Wait a minute, yourself in the bottom
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  Speaker 4: right hand corner.
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  Speaker 5: Ah, yes, the cartoon version of myself. This is me
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  Speaker 5: contemplating it was lester load. See if you notice you
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  Speaker 5: a lot of little details in here. There's a pile
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  Speaker 5: of cash on the table. Yes, there's a Johnson thirty
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  Speaker 5: six rifle on the table. And there's a welcome to
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  Speaker 5: Dallas or mister Kennedy poster on the wall. And there's
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  Speaker 5: also a wanted for treason poster on the wall. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 5: as everyone knows, you know, Dallas wasn't very hospitable or
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  Speaker 5: at least certain people when it comes to President Kennedy
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  Speaker 5: visiting Dallas. And these would have been the extreme right
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  Speaker 5: wingers if we have been on the trail love here
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  Speaker 5: the past couple of shows we have. So it's only
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  Speaker 5: fitting that we continue things a little bit. But before
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  Speaker 5: we dive into it, you know, welcome, welcome, Welcome our lovely,
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  Speaker 5: lovely people into the chat. If you will please sure.
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  Speaker 4: I'll start with Zendar sixty one. How do y'all? Hello
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  Speaker 4: and have a great show everyone. I believe Trey is
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  Speaker 4: with the missus tonight and can't join us. Let me
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  Speaker 4: see I he did say this somewhere he's going to
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  Speaker 4: miss the tonight's show. He's in New Orleans, No Lens
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  Speaker 4: with his wife. Drove by the Riley Coffee Company building
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  Speaker 4: and I've noticed that it is being converted to an
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  Speaker 4: apartment building.
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  Speaker 5: Of course it is.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the trend, man, Everything's being fucking converted apartment
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  Speaker 4: buildings these days.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I hope you have a good night with the missus,
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  Speaker 4: mister Tray, and uh, we'll cut you on the replay crew. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: tiny dancer here before the seven o'clock timeframe. Just want
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  Speaker 4: to give her credit. So Y turn Horses early tonight. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: the show will be a good one.
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  Speaker 5: You damn right, Turn, It's going to be a good one.
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  Speaker 5: We agree, they all are.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Sally evening all just made it on time. I
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  Speaker 4: had to finish an episode of scandy drama. Cliffhanger, how
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  Speaker 4: are we doing all tonight? What is scandy drama? Do
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  Speaker 4: you know? I do not know. It must be an
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  Speaker 4: Irish term play, some Irish.
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  Speaker 5: Drama series.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Real Housewives of Ireland type of thing.
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  Speaker 5: The Real Horrors of Dublin.
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  Speaker 4: Oh Man, South to West is a Friday already, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they do come quick. Let's I can attest
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  Speaker 4: they do, come quick, they do. That's a shaming sitting on.
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  Speaker 5: Go Hello sir and hah, what's up Brandon?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? And uh, mister Paul Cummings, Hello, sir, how are you?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us? And mister Timothy Bryan. I
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  Speaker 4: hope y'all doing well. We are. It is your boys
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  Speaker 4: birthday tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: It's not mine, no me, your boys.
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  Speaker 4: I'm your boy in theory.
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  Speaker 5: Allegedly another year closer to forty.
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  Speaker 4: I'm getting there. One more.
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  Speaker 5: We wipe this tear out of my eye, just for you, Joe,
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  Speaker 5: how old will the birthday boy be?
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  Speaker 4: Bro? You nailed it. Thirty nine? Oh yeah, one year
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  Speaker 4: closer to forty you nailed it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't think you knew that. So that was
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  Speaker 4: a good guy. Paul Anichi, what's up, sir. I've been
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  Speaker 4: messaging with him this week. Yes all JFK, no bullshit,
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  Speaker 4: that's what we do here, sir, not.
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  Speaker 5: A horseshit, no bullshit. Ye, great T shirt.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we have some good T shirts in the works. Guys.
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  Speaker 4: Let us let us tell you. Mister Craig and then Jerry,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't read this before, don't read it, so it
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  Speaker 4: might be a mistake. And then Jerry Heming farted while
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  Speaker 4: stealthily running through the enemy and leading JFK researchers down
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  Speaker 4: travel Holmes what he did as will someone we will
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  Speaker 4: also talk about later in the show, which is mister
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  Speaker 4: Frank Frilini Sturgis.
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  Speaker 5: And as we will come to learn tonight as well,
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  Speaker 5: maybe he had a good reason to. Okay, I'm just
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  Speaker 5: saying all right.
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  Speaker 4: And that is it. I think we said hello to everyone,
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  Speaker 4: so Sally said, it's a Scandinavian drama. I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: there were such things.
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  Speaker 5: I think I saw one of those on Netflix. A
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  Speaker 5: lot of snow, Like a murder happens in the snow
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  Speaker 5: in the middle of nowhere, and the quirky cops have
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  Speaker 5: to solve it. The quirky Scandinavian blonde, blue haired cops
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  Speaker 5: have to solve it.
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  Speaker 4: Blue eyed yah. Yes, they have good genes over there
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  Speaker 4: in Scandinavia. Pun intended to the drama that's been going
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  Speaker 4: on with Sydney Sweeney, who is gorgeous creature. And last
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  Speaker 4: mister Ashley came in morning lads always enjoy tuning in
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  Speaker 4: on a Saturday morning down in the o Z. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: and thank you for reminding me because mister Anthony Thrip,
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  Speaker 4: our favorite car pret salesman, checked in earlier as well.
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  Speaker 5: Excellent, Joseph.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't it cool to like wake up in Australia and
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  Speaker 4: just like tune in to live DLG.
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  Speaker 5: That must be awesome, must be cool. They're in the future.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, And mister Jack Taylor, who is becoming a grandfather.
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  Speaker 4: He told us maybe he didn't want us to.
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  Speaker 5: Jack rather than.
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  Speaker 4: Know. I think it's I think it's the gender reveal.
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  Speaker 4: Let me see. Yeah, yeah, okay, but I respect you
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  Speaker 4: popping answer.
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  Speaker 5: You're the man, one of our hopefully rainbow colored Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: H No.
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  Speaker 5: Jack has good jeans, yes, excellent jeans. Very handsome man
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  Speaker 5: he is.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow, well hold up, what hold on your horses? Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Oh shit? Yeah, Brandon coming out strong? Who got him?
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  Speaker 4: Joe? All right, let's see, uh you I did not,
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  Speaker 4: Buddy John. Yeah. See, this is our way of like Dave. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: seeing who's in the chat, even if they didn't write
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that's fine, you know. Yeah, Jeffrey Gutterman, welcome first yep,
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  Speaker 4: like year of members only.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've been doing like the last Wednesday of the
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  Speaker 5: month for spooks as well, So take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 4: five memberships and the ten dollars. Super shot to me, Rob,
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  Speaker 4: you're not getting half of this. Have a wonderful day.
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  Speaker 4: You're the man. Thank you, sir, you are the fucking wow.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks Brandon. Yeah, that's freaking awesome. Yes all right. So
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  Speaker 5: for the those of you guys who were here on
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  Speaker 5: Wednesday night, you saw this. But for the benefit of
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  Speaker 5: those who weren't here Friday night, I'll show it to
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  Speaker 5: you now. We got some new merchant shop Joe, one
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  Speaker 5: of them be in this to Shave your Kitty shirt
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  Speaker 5: podcast Shave your Kitty.
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  Speaker 4: And also reference to your kitty of course.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Joe hasn't seen this one yet either. I
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  Speaker 5: want to see with a cartoonified version of your boy.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: And if you look very closely at my left arm,
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  Speaker 5: you'll see a very crude rebel flag tattoo. Can you
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  Speaker 5: read what it says right above it?
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  Speaker 4: Joe?
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  Speaker 5: Can you get close enough to.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm going to spell it out though. It says
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  Speaker 4: D A G O.
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  Speaker 5: Yes it does.
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  Speaker 4: So how many super chats would it take for you
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  Speaker 4: to get a D A G O tattoo? Is what
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  Speaker 4: me and the Double B and everyone else's.
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  Speaker 5: Wondering, Oh, a thousand bucks and I will go under
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  Speaker 5: the knife and I will get it right on my chest.
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  Speaker 5: Stop it, I would.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's that's a little cheap. I thought you
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  Speaker 4: were a little more expensive, but.
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  Speaker 5: I respect at this point in my life. A thousand
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  Speaker 5: bucks A thousand bucks. Who gives a ship what my
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  Speaker 5: chest says? The Who's that?
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  Speaker 4: They wouldn't know?
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  Speaker 5: Oh damn, I just said it. Oh well, oh well,
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  Speaker 5: oh well it happens.
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  Speaker 4: It Yes, Yes, trouser mouser. It's a funny inside joke
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  Speaker 4: from was it last week and then the members only.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we have some fantastic merch coming up for
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  Speaker 5: It definitely will garner some attention and people will be like,
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  Speaker 5: oh my god, where did you get that shirt? Oh
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  Speaker 5: my god, I love that shirt. Where'd you get that shirt?
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  Speaker 2: You have to have one.
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  Speaker 5: But we're not going to release probably for a couple
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: about that. But it's effing hilarious.
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  Speaker 4: It is. We have some fun things in the world,
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  Speaker 4: for sure, we're working on for this fall. It won't
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  Speaker 4: be your November nothing burger, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. All right, Joe, let's get into lester Log.
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  Speaker 4: All right? Who is this?
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  Speaker 5: Who's who is well? Leicester Logue. Let's see if I
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  Speaker 5: can find this? All right, And of course it's the
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  Speaker 5: smallest ship, but this is lester Log's birth certificate Joe. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: all right, now, I believe he was born in nineteen
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  Speaker 5: and thirty one.
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  Speaker 4: And let me just verify that it seems young for him.
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  Speaker 5: Nineteen thirteen. Sorry I had three to one transposed, it happens. Uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: this is a birth certificate. He was born in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 5: which is, uh, the same county Pittsburgh is in. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: soun wasn't born actually in Pittsburgh of some little ship
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  Speaker 5: town like outside of Pittsburgh. Sorry, audio is out there, okay,
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  Speaker 5: but yeah, I did happen to find this on ancestry.
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  Speaker 5: So his name full name is Lester Lloyd Logue. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: the triple L. Okay, wow, the triple L.
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  Speaker 4: I like it. I don't like that.
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  Speaker 5: And I could not find a picture of this dude,
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  Speaker 5: but I've never seen one of him. I found a
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  Speaker 5: picture of his brother, okay, and this is what his
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  Speaker 5: brother looks like, so you can imagine what Lester Logue
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  Speaker 5: kind of look like. This is his brother. And why
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  Speaker 5: is the audio going in and out? Do are you
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  Speaker 5: hearing that?
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  Speaker 4: No? Oh, I hear you perfectly, sir. Hold let us
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  Speaker 4: let us know him the chat. If you hear anything.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's my it's my earbud, I gotta put it
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  Speaker 5: back in all do you not know how to use
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  Speaker 5: your I did, Joe, it came disconnected. Okay, now we're
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  Speaker 5: all is right with the world.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so he looks like a common Pennsylvania working folk.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, now I did. I did happen upon Lester Log's
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  Speaker 5: draft card from the nineteen forties, and it gave a
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  Speaker 5: general description of him six foot one, two hundred pounds,
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  Speaker 5: black hair, blue eyes, right, m hm, so I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: him and his brother kind of resembled each other. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if he had such a sweet stash as
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  Speaker 5: his brother. So let's see what this is here, all right.
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  Speaker 5: This is part of his draft card, and you can
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  Speaker 5: see here that he was employed by the Standard Oil
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  Speaker 5: Company of Avna Sola.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, was he an oil geologist? Kind of like he was?
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  Speaker 4: He was?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: So, he was working for Standard Oil, which is one
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  Speaker 5: of the biggest oil companies around at the time, and
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  Speaker 5: they had an office in the Republic Bank building. I believe,
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  Speaker 5: all right, this is Lester Lloyd Log, right, And something
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  Speaker 5: else that I found, of course, is his grave site.
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  Speaker 5: H Lester Lloyd Log Triple L yes, triple l born
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  Speaker 5: in nineteen thirteen, died in nineteen ninety one.
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  Speaker 4: And you would have a hard time saying that name,
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  Speaker 4: considering liberty lobbity uh five times fast.
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  Speaker 5: I think with your ls Leicester Lloyd Log, Lester Lloyd Loan,
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  Speaker 5: it's the bees to fuck me up, not the els.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I didn't know that. Okay, Sorry, Now you.
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  Speaker 5: Might be looking here and thinking to yourself. Okay, wow,
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  Speaker 5: his wife Phyllis wasn't born nineteen forty four, making Lester
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  Speaker 5: Lloyd Log. Let's see if we can do the math.
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  Speaker 5: Forty what's forty four minus thirteen uh, thirty one thirty
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  Speaker 5: one years older? Yeah, so Lester Logue was thirty one
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  Speaker 5: years old when his wife was born.
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  Speaker 4: God bosshom.
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  Speaker 5: Well, now here's the rub Joe.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: He had a first wife who he actually married in
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  Speaker 5: nineteen forty four, named Beth. Okay. Okay, so he married
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  Speaker 5: his first wife the same year that his second wife
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  Speaker 5: was born. Lester log and his first wife, Beth had
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  Speaker 5: one daughter. And this is interesting. Now I came across
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  Speaker 5: there marriage certificate Phyllis's and Lester's. Okay, they got married.
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  Speaker 5: They did not get married until nineteen eighty seven. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Lester Logue divorced his first wife in nineteen eighty seven,
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  Speaker 5: and he married his second wife, also in nineteen eighty seven. Whoa,
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  Speaker 5: now do let's do some more math. What's eighty seven
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  Speaker 5: minus thirteen, Joe.
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  Speaker 4: Eighty seven minus thirteen, That would be.
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  Speaker 5: Seventy four seventy four. So Leicester log was seventy four
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  Speaker 5: years old when he married his second wife, Phyllis. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: it's time. Phyllis would have been in her thirties. I
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  Speaker 5: believe eighty seven. No, she would have been forty three.
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  Speaker 5: So he's seventy four, she's forty three when they get married. Now,
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  Speaker 5: the funny thing about this is they were living in Texas,
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  Speaker 5: but for some reason they decided to drive to state Line, Nevada,
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  Speaker 5: which is I'm guessing right over the border into Nevada
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  Speaker 5: to get married because their their marriage certificate is issued
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  Speaker 5: in the state of Nevada, in the town of state Line.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well, people do go to Vegas to get married.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it was the thing back then,
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  Speaker 4: but whatever.
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  Speaker 5: You mean, you're seventy four, I mean, are you really
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  Speaker 5: elopen to Vegas? The tithe that n I don't know
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  Speaker 5: maybe you are, Maybe you aren't if you're marrying at
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  Speaker 5: Gumar maybe maybe. But four years after they're married Lester's day,
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  Speaker 5: So they were only married for three or four years
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  Speaker 5: before Lester log passed away. And you see who he's
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  Speaker 5: being very beside or yeah, ury beside, not his wife
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  Speaker 5: of forty plus years, but his wife of four years.
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  Speaker 5: To me, that's a little telling.
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  Speaker 4: Of his character. You mean, yeah, yeah, I see what
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  Speaker 4: you now.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, we all know the stereotypes of rich, old
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  Speaker 5: oil men in Texas marrying young, hot wives, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: look no further than what's that chick's name, That crazy
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  Speaker 5: chick that was in Playboy in the nineties. Oh, I
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  Speaker 5: know what you mean, the one that married Smith.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she married the guy that was like couldn't get
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  Speaker 4: out of.
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  Speaker 5: The bed, right, Yeah, he's in a wheelchair. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but he could get it up. He just couldn't get
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  Speaker 5: it out of the wheelchair apparently. Oh man, following the
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  Speaker 5: trends here, you see where I'm going. I mean, this
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  Speaker 5: guy obviously had money, you know, lifelong in the oil business,
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  Speaker 5: high up, big swinging dick, loaded. Does his wife dirty
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  Speaker 5: when she gets to be an old model and trades
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  Speaker 5: her in for a young model, right, basically cuts her
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  Speaker 5: out of his life, cuts her out of his will,
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  Speaker 5: cuts her out of his graveyard. Everything dirty, lester Log.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, might be common of the night so far
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  Speaker 4: off the West.
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Now, the reason I named this show what I
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  Speaker 5: did reports from No Name Key is because I came
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  Speaker 5: across a report from No Name Key from Gerald Patrick
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  Speaker 5: Hemming to lester Log. And the date of this Joe
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  Speaker 5: is August thirteenth, nineteen sixty three.
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  Speaker 4: Before the assassination. Hemming is writing to lester Log.
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  Speaker 5: Right, And for those of you who don't know the backstory, okay,
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: and Joe will get into it a little bit more
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: when we get to the Lauren Hall part of this.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: But Leicester Logue was originally one of Gerald Hemming's big
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: fat cats, right to the tune that Lester Logue was
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: giving Himming five or six hundred bucks five or six
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: times a year. So if you translate that math into
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: today's dollars, what are we looking at their fintech?
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: We're five six thousand dollars of a few times a year,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: say five at least thirty grand in that area, thousands
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: of dollars, tens of thousands yeah, a lot of money,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: a significant amount of money.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and this was Hemming's guy, right, Yes, But as
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: the year nineteen sixty three progresses and we get closer
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: to the assassination, we have Lauren Hall kind of trying
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: to slide in because at one point Heming took Hall
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: with him to go to go meet with Lester Log right,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: and then Lauren Hall started visiting Logue on his own.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Right, So you're stealing the connect right, right, which is yeah, not.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Going to go over. Hence why I said earlier that
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Heming may have had a reason to be pissed and
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: throw Haul under the bus when it comes to what
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: happened in Dallas. So let me just give you a
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: slight overview here of what your money to the tune
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: of twenty five thirty thirty six thousand dollars a year
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: it's going to get you from Gerald Patrick Hemming. And
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: it is a very lengthy, detailed report of which I'm
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: not going to read all of it, but I will
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: give you a basic overview. I mean, there's nothing real
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: juicy here. It's just Heming trying to justify Lester Logs donations.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying. So you want to keep
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: this guy. You want to feed him what he's believing right,
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: so he thinks his money is being used in a
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: rightly manner by Heimming and these other guys. So it
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: starts off here. Dear Lester, best wishes to you and
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: the family. This is the first time in the last
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: few weeks that I've had a chance to sit down
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: and write anything of interest to you. Davey sent a
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: letter off to you last week and I think it
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: covered most of what concerns the opportunities in the air
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: cargo business. Now, this mysterious Davy guy is mentioned quite
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: often in this letter from himing to Low obviously somebody
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: that Log knows as well as Hemming. I don't know
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: if this is a slang or a shortened term for
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: somebody named Davis, or if it's somebody with the first
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: name Davy, of which I don't know. And if it
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: refers to somebody who's the last name of Davis, well
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: take your pick, Joe, because there's a lot of them.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: You're probably aware of the latest developments relating to the
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Cuban Action groups and the offer of training camps and
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: raider based facilities by certain general or central American governments.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: So far, the news media has contributed to the following
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: information to the public. The ex president of Nicaragua, Louis
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Simosa visited Miami three weeks ago. Simosa opened conversations with
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: all of the nine action groups and their leaders, and
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: also held meetings with a limited number of exile political leaders.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Simosa offered the use of Nicaraqua as a sanctuary, a
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: site for training camps, and a jumping off point for
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: future raids into Cuba. Miami newspaper headlines announced that ex
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Bay of Pigs Brigade leader Manual Ardmay has decided to
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: move his headquarters to Nicaragua. A few of the well
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: known exile politicians have recently traveled to Nicaragua to hold
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: interviews with Samosa. So basically, he's telling Low about Samosa's
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: visit and that it might be a good opportunity to
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: move the training camps and set up some kind of
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: deal in Nicaragua, and it would be a good jumping
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: off point for raids into Cuba rather than doing it
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: from US soil because they're you know, they're facing the
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: neutrality law bullshit. But of course, Joe, to do that,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: it takes money. Son takes a lot of money. You
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: gotta have money for this kind of stuff.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Right, Yes, sir, that's why everyone was drifting to try
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: to get it.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Yes, he says. I'm inclined to believe that there is
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: basis to the reports that THEDA, that's the Defense Intelligence Agency,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: is involved in the Nicaragua training based proposals. I would
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: assume the theoreticians in the CIA are not too pleased
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: with the idea that DIA operatives will continue trespassing on
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: their de facto properties and quotes. Some clues to things
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: to come can be found in an interesting article by
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Stuart Alsop in the Saturday Evening Post from July twenty seventh.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: You will see on page twenty one of this issue
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: that Allsops says that the DIA has closer connections with
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: the military man in the Guatemala in junta than the CIA.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: This would indicate a new trend that the DIA has
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: closer connections with all of the CIA military leaders. Then
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: has the CIA, I'm sorry, Central American military leaders, then
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: has the CIA. Alsop goes on to say that the
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: DA has no choice but to concentrate on the political
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: strategic intelligence, which is the CIA's chief function. So as
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: you can tell here, Hemings not just having diarrhea of
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: the mouth.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: He is.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Very careful and how he words things in this letter.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: And if it hasn't come across to you yet, Hemings
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: a smart motherfucker. Yes, right, we all know that he
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: definitely is. Yes, and I mean sharp, smart, you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: very intelligent.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe why I was able to stay alive.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he says. During March of this year, many of
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: the top Pentagon and State Department specialists on Cuban operations
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: traveled to Managua, Nicaragua, where they held a conference with
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: the top military men of the Central American republics. It
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: is possible that this meeting was a prey prime step
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: in the development of a joint Central American Cuban exile
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: US plan to overthrow the Castro communists. So basically, what
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: he's trying to say here or sell to lester Log
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: is the fact that the DA wants to work with
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: exiled Cubans and mercenaries in an attempt to try to
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: overthrow Castro by using and using Nicaragua as a base
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: and garnering support from the rest of the Central American
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: nations to do so. Because remember, on its face, on
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: its public face, the CIA at this point has kind
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: of said, we're hands off Cuba basically, you know, no more,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: no more, you know, off the book's raids. We've got
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: nothing in the works. You know, Russia withdrew its missiles.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: We're good. Castro is a nut job, but you know what,
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: fucking he can stay over there and be a nut
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: job in his own country. We're not that worried about
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: what's going on anymore. So things have shifted from the
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: CIA to now the d i A. At least, this
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: is what Heming is telling log And he goes on
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: to say, everybody learned a lot since the Bay of Pigs,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: but have the right people learned the right things. I
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: hope that adherence to the principles established by the veterans
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: of the s OE, the os S, the AI B
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Machis franch Kachina, Karen's and others will prevent a repetition
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: of DFA Gallia Poli dn ben few that was ingloriously
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: repeated at the Bay of Pigs. Now that's a lot
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: of mouthful horseshit to say, yeah, good job. Hopefully things
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: don't get fucked up again like they did at these
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: other various places before I read where many of the
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: top exchelon administration figures are boning up on guerrilla warfare.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: I hope they see the similarity to present day Cuba
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: that existed during the anti Japanese operations in the Philippines
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: and Burma, Malaysia and elsewhere. Reading about free French activities
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: in London strikes a note of similarity to the Miami
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: of today. The frustrations, the grand blunders, the party bickering,
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: now let's wait and see attitude and all was rampant
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: inertness during the forties. So he basically is going on
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: and on, and he's trying to analyze different things in
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: the military campaigns of the past as to what will
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: possibly work with Cuba in the future, referencing pork chop,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: hill man against fire, they have pigs, you know, questioning
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: that the training they received preparatory to the invasion give
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: them confidence.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Or not.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Was this training adequate from a professional standpoint? What percentage
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: of the brigade used their individual or crew served weapons.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Were the designated leaders really justified and later proved themselves
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: as capable leaders. I have conducted numerous interviews of the
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Marshall type, not only with the Brigade veterans, but with
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: the gorilla veterans of the Sierra Madres, Cristal and Escambre.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: The results have been extremely enlightening, not to mention the
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: educational aspects of all. I've been a military instructor for
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: more than eight years, the last five being devoted to
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: Cubans and Central South American nationals. I have a very
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: low regard for the Latin American soldier, but I have
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: found that Cubans can be the best Latin soldiers of
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: all if they're handled correctly, or the worst if incorrectly handled.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Hey, that's the truth.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: So that's a backhanded compliment from Gerald Patrick Hemming to
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: the Latin soldier, Right, if you will.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they could be extremely effective. But at the same
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: time they're out of control.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: You got to you got to know how to handle
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: them correctly, Joe.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, If you don't, then they're going to go.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: You got to keep them bashards in line.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if not, they can.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Then He tells the majority of the instructors I propose
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: should should be North Americans or Europeans i e. Whiteies,
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: most of whom will later accompany their students on combat
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: operations as their leaders or advisors, depending on the situation.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: These students native to rural areas should be kept segregational
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: from the students that are still city dwellers. Both the
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: commanders and the instructors must resist the tendency to rely
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: more on the English speaking students and later delegate authority
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to the English speakers without regard as to the individual's
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: proven capabilities. So only leaders speak English. If you know
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. If you don't speak no English, you
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: can't be a good leader.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Joe, I'm sorry, somewhat true.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And he goes on and it's you know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: a lot of racial profile in here, if you will,
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: and how you know he can do it better? He says, Uh,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Davy and I have covered most of the angles on
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: this new situation with all of the key leaders. They
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: don't want to be by the hand again, especially by
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: men that are not planning to run the same risks
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: as they are to face. Most Covert Action Group members
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: are willing to serve in a force legion counterinsurgency that
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: would be used to combat communism uprising in Central and
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: South America. This would be a fine training vehicle in
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: that their time spent in training would cover the security
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: required in many areas of the host country. And this
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: goes on and on and on until we get to
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: the end, Joe, which is where you pull your hand
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: out of your pocket and extend it forward like so.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: And you asked, very nicely, sir, can you spare a dime? Please?
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Sir?
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Please, sir? Can you spare a dime? Again? Let me
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: say we are really hurting for small finances, sir. We
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: need fuel for the vehicles and boats used in training.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: We need food for the instructors, and fuck the students
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: right now and the volunteer students. We have been promised
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: relief from some of these hardships in the near future
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: from certain individuals native to New York and Chicago. I'm
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: assuming he's referencing the mafia there, you know. Yeah, give
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: my best to Patterson and to the men we met
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: with at the club. Say hello to your family for
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: me and Davy. Sincerely yours, Jerry Hemming, George Errold Patrick Hemming.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: So very interesting.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and you could see the type of thing
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: drama that would have could have unfolded if if if
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Lauren Hall took some of Jerry Patrick Kemming's funding from
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: this well to do oil man. Right, you could see
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: where the drama.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: Starts, yeah, you know, and these guys and then we
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: showed some of these pictures Wednesday night. Here we have
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: members of inter Pen. We have Gerald Patrick Hemming in
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: the very back middle. The tall guy to his right
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: a little shorter with the full on goatee in the hat,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: that's Lawrence Howard right in the front here, the short
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: guy in the dark jacket is Roy Hargraves. He was
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: a stud.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Huh, it looks like one. It looks like a gangster.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: And help fight communism by war on Cuba. You can
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: see written on the storefront behind him. The man to
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: the extreme right of the photo the tall gentleman that
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: would be Jerry Hemming. The man right in the middle
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: foreground is Roy Hargraves. And right behind Roy hargraves head
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: stands a familiar face you all might recognize as Frank
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Fierimi or Frank Sturgis to Moses and a lot of
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: other skuffoozes that are scattered around, definitely from interer Pin. Now, Joe,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: we talked about a little while ago on the show
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: and we were mentioning AJ Weberman's book The Oswald Code.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: He also wrote this book called Jerry Did It? The
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Life and Times of Gerald Heming. And you know, we
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: were looking at these photos that Weberman had developed and
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: you can see how he matches them up to be Heming,
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: is it or not? I don't know. We don't have
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: a real full on front facial shot. The hats don't
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: mean much. I mean, I think everybody in the service
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: had a hat like that, you know what I mean.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: But you know, he did some extensive interviews with Hemming
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: in the seventies and came to the conclusion that Heming
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: was involved in the assassination. And of course Heming has
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: told a lot of tales over the years, and I
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: believe one of the tales that he told to A. J.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: Weberman was that he was in Dallas in November eighteen
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: sixty three and he offered to buy Lee Oswald's mainlakuer
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: carcando from him and told him, we'll just bring it
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: to work tomorrow and I'll buy it from you. And
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: then he never showed up to buy it from him.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: And you know what happened, right, of course, President gets shot.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Oh that they found the rifle. Oh oh shit. So
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: basically he was alluding that he helped set up Lee
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: Harvey Oswald to be the Patsy, right, because allegedly he
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: had some kind of knowledge of some kind of operation
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: that was taking place. Is this true or not? I
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: doubt it?
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: Is there a kernel of truth in some of the
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: things that Heming said?
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Sure? Of course.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Let's see here, Joe. I got a bunch of pictures
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: here and I don't know what I'm looking at, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: it's okay.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: And I have a picture of the US book from
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: the Oswalt Code later that I might talk about Frank
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Sturt just being in there. We'll see.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And I found this article from I believe it
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: was I can't remember the magazine it was from, but
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Hall was taking over a lot of Hemming's old contacts,
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: including General Walker, including lester Log, right, yeah, and several others.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: There was a I believe it was Wally Yates and
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: boats Welsh or a couple other local Dallas stream right
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: wingers not of the ilk of like General Walker and
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: lester Log When you're talking about big money funding, but
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: still connects, still connects.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, And oh, mister William Seymour there right.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, enjoying a cigarette. Yes, another thing, member of
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: inter penn blame him, let's see. Yes.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: And then in the past few weeks we've talked about
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: how the Cuban exiles, the extreme right, the soldiers of
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Fortune there, they all kind of intertwined right in their circles.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: And that's kind of what we're building upon here.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And when Hall was questioned by the HSCA in
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: his testimony, he' said a lot of interesting things, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: one of them is that he testified that in nineteen
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: sixty three, every meeting he attended he heard somebody plotting
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: or talking about somebody should blow Kennedy's head off. Hall
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: defines himself as part of the radical right. Hall was
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: not aware of any one plot to kill Kennedy, but
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: several while in New Orleans, Hall puts himself in New Orleans,
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: he said he went to two locations and that he
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: was with Jerry Hemming on both these occasions. One location
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: was some laundrymat owned by Frank bartes Asset, former member
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: of the Cuban Revolutionary Council as well.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Present at Oswalt's court hearing. I believe it was on
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: August tenth, right.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and another guy they visited in New Orleans was
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: named Larry la Board, but says he was out of
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: town and not at the house when we got back
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: in the car and went straight to Miami. But Larry
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: Leboard was a known CIA agent, so take that for
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: what you will. Hall testified he was in Dallas during
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: the last few days of September for four to five days.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: He was on a route from Los Angeles to Miami
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: with a trailer load of equipment. Hall said the equipment
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: in the trailer that he drove to Dallas included machine guns,
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: a twenty millimeter cannon and ammunition, fifty pounds of C
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: four explosives, primer cord, several grand thirty odd six rifles,
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: and medical supplies. Hall testified he went to Dallas in
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: September sixty three to contact Lester log who Hall stated
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: supported US in various ways. Hall testified that he used
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: the alias Lorenzo Pascillo during the Dallas trip of September
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: sixty three. He testified most of us used aliases or
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: noms de gueer that means war names. Joe Okay in French.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Thank you for pointing that out. I would not have
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: gotten that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: So back to Leicester Log well, I'm sorry. Yeah. Hall
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: testified that he was waiting for Log in Dallas for
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: additional funding so to get a boat for the raids
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: on Cuba. So he went to Dallas to go see
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Lester Logue to get money to buy a boat, which
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: I'm guessing is not cheap, because it ain't cheap today
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: to go buy a boat, you know, one that doesn't
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: require paddles, if you know what I'm saying. Hall testified
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: he visited a guy named Welch as well, that was
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: Boat's Welch. I actually stayed at his house for a
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: couple of days. Boats boats Welsh until you get this
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: motherfucker out of my house from boat White. He's with
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: skid marks and many stinks. At that time. Hall did
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: not stop to visit General Walker on that September sixty
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: three trip. Hall denied during testimony, telling an FBI agent
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: that he was in Dallas with Lawrence Howard and William
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: Seymour Uh never involved with Sylvia Odio to acquire military
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: equipment for anti castro raids. Lester log was a geologists
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: who owned an oil company, very wealthy. This is what
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: Halls seeing. Hall testified that he spent one and a
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: half hours with General Walker in Dallas, which is a
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: long time if you're not doing things. Hall testified that
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: the purpose of the Lester Log introduction was because quote
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: Log was in sympathy with our cause, the Cuban thing,
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: and had very deep pockets. Log was Jerry Hemmings contact.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: Log also had a much bigger interest in preventing Kennedy
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: from deleting the twenty seven percent oil depletion allowance that
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: Texas oil men could use to legally pay no taxes
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: on their millions of dollars of earnings. So what he's
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: basically saying here is people like Lester Log and the
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: oil energy field geology had incentive to want Kennedy dead.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: Hall testified that Log gave him five to six hundred
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: dollars five or six times all in nineteen sixty three
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: to purchase equipment, gas and so forth for boats. Hall
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: testified the first time when he was with him, Jerry
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: Hemming got money from Leicester Log. Hall testified Lawrence Howard
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: was with Hall when they brought the trailer to Log's
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: house in Dallas in September of sixty three and that
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: was the only time Log involved with storing weapons for Hall.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: Hall testified that he attended several meetings at Leicester Log's office.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: At one meeting at Log's office attended by Hall, there
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: were six people who also included the president of Texas Instruments,
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: who I'm guessing was a giant swinging Dick, and a
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: truck company owner named Jack, last name unknown. There was
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: also an unnamed representative of h L. Hunt at the meeting, Joe.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: According to All the purpose of Log's meeting was to
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: organize all the Cuban groups under one leader because Hall
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: and his inter pen were unsuccessful with Cuban raids. They
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: had lost too much equipment to not just the Cubans
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: and Castro, but to the US Coast Guard, the i INS,
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: and the FBI. The attempt to form a Cuban government
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: in exile failed because the different anti Castro Cuban groups
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: could not agree or come together to work as one.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: We know that to be true.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: Hall testified that at this meeting, the truck company owner
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: Jack made a comment about killing JFK. Jack offered up
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: fifty grand large and wanted others to match it to
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: get JFK assassinated. Hall testified that he declined the offer polightly,
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: and Log forbid any further assassination talk in my office.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: The other man at the meeting did nothing regarding the assassinations.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: Assassinations suggestion by Jack. Hall testified that he talked to
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: Lester Log in nineteen sixty seven. When Hall was subpoenaed
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: by Garrison. Log told him, quote, go in there and
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: tell him the truth unquote. That was the last time
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: that he says he ever spoke to Leicester Log. Hall
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: testified that he talked to Log. I'm sorry, I've just
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: read that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: In September sixty three is the last time, No.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: Sixty seven when he was pointed by Garrison okay. Hall
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: testified that he stayed at Log's house in Dallas for
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: three to five days. Hall left the trailer filled with
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: equipment there for two to three weeks in October sixty three,
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: different months different trip. Hall left Miami on November twelfth
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: of sixty three and said that he was going back
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: to la by Commercial Airline November twelfth, sixty three, leaving Miami.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Hall then they go into this thing about the halfcock
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: and pain HSCA Council triplet asked Hall, did you ever
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: tell Richard Hathcock or Roy Payne when you returned to
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: LA from Miami that you were leaving La on or
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: about November eighteenth of sixty three and returning to Dallas.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: Hall said, absolutely, I did not, So he's denying it there.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: I don't believe him for a second the way and
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: then the next question he asked him, is this Joe.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: After the assassination, did you become owner or part owner
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: of a bar or motel? Hall answered yes. Hall testified,
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: and then July of sixty four he took ownership of
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: a motel which he owned with his wife. He said
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: he paid forty eight thousand dollars for the motelof it's
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: a lot of money. In July of sixty four, it's
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: almost half a mili. Hall testified that he made five
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: or six trips to Dallas in nineteen sixty three. Hall
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: testified at the time he was working with Jerry Hemming
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: before the JFK assassination. Hall did not think Hemming in
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: the CIA, but Hall got a copy of a court
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: order from a federal court in Miami, where he petitioned
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: the court to direct the CIA to give information concerning
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: him and Hemming having stated in this order that he
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: was CIA since nineteen sixty and heving went so far
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: as to put his CIA identification number on this court order.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: Now that's interesting because the CIA disavows all knowledge and
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: association with Gerald Patrick Hemming over the years officially, officially.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: So take that for what you will, Right, What did
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: you say, Rob, You said six times in Dallas in
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: That's what he admits to. Yes, okay, I think it
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: was a couple more than that, but that's what hes to.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Do You want me to bring up the DPD A
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: rest report for September of Lawren Hall. Sure, okay, because
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: I want to see if you can figure this out
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: with me here, right, So this is the RUSH report
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: on investigative prisoner Lauren Eugene Hall. The date is October seventeenth,
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: sixty three. Right, So you were talking about September, which
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: is when log bailed him out, right, I don't know
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: or did he bail him out on this thing in October?
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but you know it
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: has a bunch of numbers. Here it says officer heard
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: stop the above subject on Central Expressway because officer could
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: not read the license plate number. Subject's car was searched. Sorry,
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I'm reading slow. It's hard to read. Was searched by
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: officer heard plus.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Four.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know what that word is, d E y
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: E drino. I don't know what that means.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: Dexa dream.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because he was arrested for prescription
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: pills in this Yeah, it says the later Dexa dream. Yes, tablets.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: There we go, h plus twenty one spas. I can't
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: read that. And in amber bottle with the name of
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: a petros A Petra senior officer. Wagoner found a bottle
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: in something blue h blue. I'm sorry, this is really
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: hard to read it. It looks like a wall. I
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: think it says barbituates actually, officer official. Yeah, with tablet
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: banner dream.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: Yes they had some pills.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, they had some pills. And ironically rob So this
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: is October seventeenth and eighteenth, right. The next page of
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: the police report is unreadable and the DP Yes, you
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: cannot read what that says.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: It's probably because it's the back of the paper.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: Joe, no, no, I checked that.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: You know how they do it, right?
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: I know, I know. I checked that I checked. I
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: am sure. I checked that. I double checked myself.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Looks like I know, I know and uh.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: And then you have the Special Service Bureau releasing their
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: automobile a couple of days later, on October twenty first,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah to Torn Hall, I guess see. I don't know
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: if Log bailed them out in the October or September incident,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: but Lauren Hall was. It might have been October, but
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: Lauren Hall, well, I think it was the gun, the guns,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: not the pills. But Lauren Hall was in trouble in
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: Dallas a couple of times in the fall of nineteen
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: sixty three.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: And you left the trailer full of guns and Log's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: house in September for a couple of weeks, right, for
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: some reason. Yeah, and it all works got him and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: I guess took them to New Orleans or Miami or
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: wherever you took them to, and then on another jaunt
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: through Dallas, they get busted for the pills.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: No luck on these guys.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: Huh and NK had a good h forty eight thousand
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: and sixty four is equal to almost five hundred thousand
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: dollars half a million. His wife must have really hit
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: the church Bengo back to back. Yeah, and we posited too,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: like Wednesday Night that say something like this happens the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: scenario that Hall presents where he's in meetings with these
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: big wheel, big money people, big money players, offering money
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: to kill JFK. And then after the assassination, these guys
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: go back to said swinging dicks and say, hey, we
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: did it, We got away with it. JFK is dead,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: pay me my money, right, or because now you have
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: he starts singing, right, you have leverage over them at
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: this point, right. Yeah, So that type of thing might
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: have been happening as well. Yeah, and you can see
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: that if you were Gerald Hemming and you have kafoozas
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: like Hall and Howard. See, Hall was never really in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: with inter Pin and Jerry Hemming. Lawrence Howard was for sure, right.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: The difference was Lawrence Howard was from California, same place
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: as Hall, and they had met out there and in there,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: you know, in the same kind of ring of right
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: wing people, and they become friends. But Lauren Hall never
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: really becomes a part of inter Pin. Lawrence Howard kind
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: of gets pulled away from Hemming and enter pinn by Hall,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: you know, to the tune of all right, you know, look,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: Hemming's full of shit. He's a CIA guy. He's all talking,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: no action, nothing ever happens.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: These guys ain't going to do shit.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: They ain't gonna do shit. I know a bunch of
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: his contacts. We can just go swoop underneath of him,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: go and take him in. Take that money you you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: get that grift money, yes, two ways, instead of you
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: just getting a breadcrumbs.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: Good point, Yeah, we can grift better.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: Right. So the worst thing that Lauren Hall ever did
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: was go into that pawn shop on November eighteenth, nineteen
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: sixty three, in LA and get Jerry Hemming's rifle out
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: of hock. That was the worst thing he could have done,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: because now Hemming can say he's got my rifle. He
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: picked it up in La and then he went to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: Dallas do the math people. And oh, by the way,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: Vidalas Santiago was there too, and oh, by the way,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: my buddy Roy Hargraves was there, or at least that
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: he admitted that he was there, and who knows, hemy
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: might have been there as well. But Heming had a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: good reason not to be in Dallas because the dude
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: six foot fucking seven. He would stand out like a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: sore fucking thumb. You can't have somebody like that in
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: the mix because they would be remembered right away. He
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: would know that he cannot be in the mix, especially
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: if they're trying to pull something like this off. Therefore,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: he is behind the scenes somewhere, and if he's smart,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: he's not even in fucking Dallas, right, but he might
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: be pulling some strings. And he might have even set
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: haul up by saying, hey, man, bring me my rifle
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: before you you know, and you know, if you're leaving
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: on the eighteenth, you can definitely make it to me
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: by then, bring me my rifle. Because he says he
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: never got the rifle. Hall says he returned it to
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: a dentist friend and then he gave it back to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: hemming Heimy claims he never got the rifle back. And
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: we all know about the reports of the of the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: FBI showing up at Hathcock and Pain pawnshop the next
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: morning after the assassination, inquiring about Roy Payne and Lauren
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: Hall right morning of the twenty third, And there's only
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: one reason that they would do this is they found
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: their fingerprints on this Johnson thirty O six rifle in Dallas.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: That's the only explanation. So when you start to parse
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: all this shit out, it's like whoa. It's like whoa.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: But anyway, take it from there, Joe, one of these
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: individuals scaffoos.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Great, so you want to go into uh, mister Frank
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: Fiorini Sturgis.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, why not?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: All right? Scaffo's a Sturgis for lack of a better term,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: mm hmmm. I have some good pictures of him here
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: and and man, he has a fascinating life. He is, like,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: I understand why people consider him a suspect in the assassination. Right,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: A dude was fighting in the Sierra Mountains with Castro.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: Here he is on the left. Here picture with Castro
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: on the right as his freedom like as a freedom
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: fighter thing image. So let me read you from Spartacus educational.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: Frank Fiorini Sturgis was born in Norfolk, Virginia, December ninth,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: nineteen twenty four. Six years later, he his family moved
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: to Philadelphia. In nineteen forty two, Sturgis joined the United
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: States Marine Corps and during the Second World War served
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: in the Pacific theater. After the war, Sturgis attended Virginia
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: Polytechnic Institute before joining the Norfolk Police Department. I did
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: not know he was a police officer before US or
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: before the JFK staff. In nineteen forty eight he became
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: manager of the White Horse Tavern. He also served in
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: the US Army fifty to fifty two, so I guess
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: he re upped there. There was followed by a spell
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: as an order manager of Top Hat nightclub in Virginia Beach.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: In nineteen fifty six, Sturgis moved to Cuba. He also
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: spent time in Mexico, Venezuela, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Panama, Honduras,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: a lot of those kind of Central American countries. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: And in nineteen fifty eight he made contact with the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: Central Intelligence Agency as the US consulate in Santiago. Over
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: the next few years he worked as an undercover agent
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: for the agency. He's control officer was Sam Jennis, I'm
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: not familiar with. Sturgis also became involved in gun running
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: to Cuba. On thirtieth July nineteen fifty eight, Sturgis was
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: arrested for a legal possession of arms. However, he was
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: released without charge. Shocker not really. There are some evidence
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: that in nineteen fifty nine Sturgis had contact with Lewis McWillie,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: the manager of the Tropicana Casino. M wondering that, and
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: we're going to get into that question in a second.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: Once our boy Gildo Rivera asked him that exact question.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: After Fidel Castro gain control of Cuba, Sturgis formed the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: Anti Castro Brigade. Let me just go a little more.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: This is him in a little later life. In this book,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: counter Revolutionary agent Hands Tenor claims the organization was being
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: financed by I dispossessed hotel and gambling owners which operated
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: under full Jewel Full Julian Solar Battista butchered that first name.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: According to the classified FBI documents, Sturgis participated in anti
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: Castro leaflet dropping raid over Cuba with Pedro diaz Lands,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: former chief of the Cuban Air Force. In October fifty nine,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: Sturgis became involved with Marita Lorenz. Actually you stopped there
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: and let me play you this clip from the nineteen seventies.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Nineteen seventy six.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: No bottoms and killer collar alerts.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, Ellie, I don't know. I heard some crazy things
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: about Sturgis in Central America as well, Like I don't
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: know if it was he claimed that he was the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: one that killed Shay Grivara and then cut his head
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: off and played soccer with it, or if somebody else
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: made that assertion. I don't know, but interesting, that's crazy.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: So let me.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: Play this here.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: Most of you know Frank Sturgis is one of the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: five men called burglarizing the Democrats in the Watergate building.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: It's hard to believe, but that was almost four years ago.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: In any case, mister Sturgis is now on parole after
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: serving over fourteen months in jail for his part in
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: that crime. And since nineteen seventy two we've learned something
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: about his extraordinary career. Prior to the Watergate break in
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: during the late fifties, he was one of Fidel Castro's
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: right hand men, first as an intelligence officer and later
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: as a minister in the Castro government. At about that
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: same time, mister Sturgis was recruited by the CIA and
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: became in effect a double agent working for Castro. That
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: was the ostensible job, working also for the CIA.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: On the sly, mister Sturgis, welcome and man Giraldo goes
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: hard at Sturgis. Here, man, you're gonna love this.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: Several weeks ago, you made some statements concerning Jack Ruby
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: that caused quite a stir. You said, in effect that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: mister Ruby had visited Castro and.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: Met with other kings and keep a good look on
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: his face. Here, guys, because we're going to go into
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: the whether Frank Sturgis was a Dealey Plaza.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: After this video, yeah, look for tells yes.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: Huban officials. The topic of their discussion was the elimination
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: of President Kennedy. I want you to tell me exactly
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: what you know about that alleged meeting.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: The information that I have received over the past several
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: months containing two a meeting in Havana. And at this meeting,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: Fidel Castro was present, his brother Rabel Castro chay Gevada
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: was present, An Argentine woman was present. Another officer by
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: the name of El Mexicano was present, who, by the way,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: is an American citizen. Another Cuban officer was present, also
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: Jack Ruby. At this meeting there was a discussion about guns,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: the sales of guns, possibly drugs, and it returned for
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: that the possible rather the elimination of the President of
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: the United States.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: You don't have first hand knowledge, so you didn't see
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  Speaker 7: Jack Ruby at that meeting?
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  Speaker 2: True or false? I did not see Jack Ruby at
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: that meeting.
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  Speaker 7: At any meeting that you were personally involved in. Now, Frank,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 7: was there a discussion of the assassination or the elimination
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: or the attempted murder of the President.
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  Speaker 5: Of the United States.
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  Speaker 6: I was at several meetings with Castro, and at one
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: of the meetings with Castro, it was discussed that he,
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  Speaker 6: as soon as his government was well established, that he
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: was going to run American businesses out of Qube, but
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: especially the game with casinos.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 6: We discussed counter revolutionaries that were in the United States.
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  Speaker 7: Where did you interpret that to me?
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  Speaker 2: A threat to do what against the officials of American government?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: Say it, I just did to murder the President of
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't exactly say, but basically that was the idea.
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  Speaker 4: But was it or was it not? It was?
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  Speaker 7: Are you saying that Castro could possibly have been the
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 7: catalyst behind the assassination of President Tennant?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 6: I've made statements to the Rockefeller Commission, to the Swiper
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: Committee that I believed with what I knew, and I'm
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: sorry I couldn't actually tell you everything that I told
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: the committee that I believed that there was a conspiracy,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: Americans involved in the conspiracy, plus several countries who were
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: aware and also involved in this conspiracy that killed the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: President of.
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  Speaker 2: The United States. Were you involved in that conspiracy? Franch myself?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: Now? Do you know that.
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  Speaker 7: There have been allegations that Castro was not involved and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: that came from the intelligence community of the United States
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: frustrated and bitter because President Kennedy, after the Bay of Pigs,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: the aborder a board of invasion that they have pigs.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 7: That fiasco pulled back the CIA and pulled back people
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: like yourself and said no more can of revolutionary activities
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: in Cuba. That bitterness generated an assassination attempt on the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 7: President's life? How do you respond to those charge?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: There was bitterness, but I dealt very much whether a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: federal intelligence organization in the United States would involve themselves
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 6: with killing the President of the United States.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 7: Where were you on November twenty second, nineteen in Miami,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: Florida at home?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: And who will tell us that that fact is true?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Well, there's proved.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 7: Did you know Lewis McWillie.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: I believe I met Louis McWillie in Havana. There was
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: a time at the early part of nineteen fifty nine
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: where Castro when he came over to the Air Force
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: base where he needed but he asked me really to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: take charge of the gambling casinos for the Cuban government.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: So while you were a CIA agent, you're also a
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: minister of gambling for Castro.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: So you knew Lewis McWillie. I knew a number of
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: the people who were in control of.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: Them specifically, Did you know him, Lewis mcwilly, Jack Ruby's friend.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: I really couldn't swear to it, but I believe I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: have met mister.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: He was the manager of the Tropicana Club.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: I met that.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Did you ever meet Jack Ruby? No, I don't believe
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: no one.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 7: What do you think about We have stories now that
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 7: there were two men hired by CIA operatives, John Roselli
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 7: and Sam gen Kanna to mafia hoods. They were hired
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: by the US government to assassinate Fidel Castro. Did you
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: know anything about those two men, friend? Do you think
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: that their debts within a year of each other were related?
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: There's two possibilities.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: One, the Cuban intelligence organization probably sent the agents to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: kill him.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: They have that they had that much power to prove.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: So you notice he's kind of toding the the Cuban
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: exile line right that it was Castro who killed JFK.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: It was Castro agents.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: Castro agents killed Santo traffic Contee Andian kind of bullshit,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: that's what I'm saying.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: He's all over the place. And yeah, there's only like
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: a minimoir that it's.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: On record in the United States government that Castro did
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: send Mexican agents to the United States to kill myself
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: and also the ex chief of the Cuban Air Force
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: who came into exile which I arranged.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: As escaped, Frank Quileu.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: So Castro is capable of killing people. He's done in
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: South America.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: And your theory is that he was behind the assassination.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: No, it's not my theory. I think the facts are there.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: The evidence was there with testimony that I had given
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: in certain facts that Figuel Castro was behind involved in
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: the conspiracy the kill the President of the United States,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: plus Russia's KGB was aware possibly involved in this conspiracy
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: for the President of the United States.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: Okay, Frank, we have run out of time. Unfortunately, on
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: a program like this, everything gets compressed. I want to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: thank you for joining us. I must add in all
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 7: frankness and honesty, that you are a convicted burglar, that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: your credibility has to be impeached because of your own
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: prior activities involved in as.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: A double agent.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: We don't know if you're a triple agent or quadruple
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 7: agent or anything else. I want to still thank you
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: for coming on and for telling you that.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: Is pretty good. He ripped him hard man, he did,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: he did. I someone said earlier that Giraldo is I
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: don't know, crazy or something. I can't find the comment.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: The will be City's a sellout that what were you
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: talking about?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: Uh No, it was different, but it's okay. I mean,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: I mean Geraldo was was you know, had this program
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: and we've played parts on the members only when I
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: think we talked about Marguerite, his interview with Marguerite on
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: the same interview and things like that. But let me
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: go back to the PowerPoint and I want to read
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: something that I thought summed up Frank Sturgis amazingly. And
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: this is from Gayton Fonsie on his book The Last
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: Investigation Offer from Spartacus. A character like Frank Sturgis illustrates
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: some of the dilemmas in investigating the Kennedy assassination. He
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: can't be ignored. He is, by his own admission, a
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: prime suspect. He had the ability and the motivation, and
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: was associated with individuals and groups who considered and even
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: employed assassination as a method to achieve their goals. Any
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: investigation would have to devote some time and researches to
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: Frank Sturgis. But there were other similar characters who injected
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: themselves into the investigation and drained time and resources far
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: beyond any valid justification. In some of those cases, I
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: thought I caught a glimpse of an intelligence connection, and
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: in one there was something more, a force deliberately manipulating
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: the investigation into turns so weird and wild. I sometimes
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: wondered if what I was doing was serious reality, or
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: if I had been lured into a carnival and thrown
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: onto the loop. The loop so here he's saying, like
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: Frank Sturgis, fascinating guy was involved in anti casher activities.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: Was uh you know? Did know? Castro and then we
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: get into the Marita Lorenz stuff, which allegedly he recruited
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: her to kill Castro. Definitely someone you can't ignore, but
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: at the same time, it's more of a waste of
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: time to kind of put it into easier words to understand, like.
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  Speaker 5: Many of these guys, you know, he's he's one of
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: these guys that could have definitely done it. Whether or
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: not he actually did or not, it's another thing. And
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: again I think that what you're seeing here and a
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: lot of this post assassination stuff, especially years down the road,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: is a lot of these guys taking not necessarily coming
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: right out and taking credit for certain things, but vaguely
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: alluring that there's a possibility that they were involved in
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: some form or fashion. And you see this from Hall,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: you see it from Howard, you see it from Sturgis,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: you see it from e. Howard Hunt, you see it
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: from I mean you name it, yea, and of course
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: and Hemming too.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, and.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: All of these guys could have definitely done it.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: They had the right pedigrees, they had the right backgrounds, right,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: they had the right motivations. The question is you know
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: after the fact that it's real easy to take credit
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: for something that nobody else seemingly is taken credit.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: For, you know. Yeah, and Rob, I think there's even
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: more going on in terms of like, for example, like
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: Hemming and Hall and Sturgis, you know, other people are
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: reporting on other people and and they all have different
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: kind of goals, And I think if they had some
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: issue with each other, they just implicated the other in
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: ship later, right, which just confuses everything.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: Because they have personal like dromas, right, yeah, personal beefs, right,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: not not based in fact, but it's because they beefed
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: at some point. Maybe you know, Hall took Hemmings, you know,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: connected with Low, or.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: They vaguely take credit for something. And other times they
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: might vaguely throw one of these other guys under.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: The bus, throw shade vaguely, you know, like when it was.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: Convenient for them them to make it appear that you know,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: they could possibly been involved. Then that's the way it went.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: When there's times where maybe you should throw somebody under
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: the bus, like there's another investigation coming up, so maybe
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: she just change your narrative a little bit and shade
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: everyone this guy.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Man, I literally think that's
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: how this.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, the assassination goes down, right, three years later, the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: Garrison investigation starts up, and guess who he wants to
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: talk to all these different guys, right, you name him.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: He brings them in and talks to him, Haul Howard.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: And like we talked Wednesday night about Gerald Hemming and
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: Roy Hargraves coming to New Orleans and offering up their
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: services to help the Garrison investigation unsolicited. Right, yeah, And
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: you know I'm still I'm still sitting on this list
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: of names that Heming gave the Garrison to investigate. And
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: it's four pages long. Jesus, okay, And we're not going
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: to get into tonight, but maybe next Wednesday. But it's
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: interesting the names that he names. But so you know,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: you have.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: You.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: Seemingly the assassination goes down. Of course Oswald is picked
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: up for it, but nobody thinks that Oswald did it right.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: So again, maybe if you were leveraging the assassination monetarily
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: to people that offered you money to make it happen before,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: Like I said, you know, you go back to these
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: big wig trucker guys and oil geologists and bankers and
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: whoever You're like, well, hey, you guys offered fifty grand plus.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: If it's got to be dead, we did it. Where's
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: our money? You know type of thing. But then you realize,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: oh shit, Garrison's opening up in another investigation and he
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: wants to talk to us. What do we say now?
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: You know, you try to throw shade somewhere else and
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: then nothing happens, nothing comes out of that. So you
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: think I made it through another investigation for Golden You
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: know that wasn't that bad, right, And then wam bam,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: thank you ma'am. The clay Shaw trial ends in nineteen
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: sixty nine.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: Here comes to the Church committee, and the rock comes to.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: The church community, the Swiker Committee right in seventy four,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: seventy five, and then you have to go talk to
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: them and made it through their unscathed. It's not really nothing.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: They just wanted to talk whatever. And then oh shit,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: the House Select Committee on Investigations just started. It's another
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: investigation and they want to talk to me again.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: Let's throw shade at somewhere else.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: And now these guys seem serious. They're really investigating stuff,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: they're really sitting us down, they're really making us talk.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: They're giving me a mute unity to talk, which means
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: that they can't do nothing to me. They gave Lauren
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: Hall immune as testimony. They did because he took the
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: fifth on the first question they asked him, which was
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: where were you on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: and he took the fifth. Yeah, I respectfully declined to
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: answer that on the grounds that did may incriminate me.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: Exactly what he said, sir.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: You have immunity. Do you know what that means? Read
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: the fifth?
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they said, you remember what you read at the
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: beginning and signed and everybody signed. You have immunity. You
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: can't plead the fifth. You have to answer the question.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: And oh, okay, well I was in California. Yeah, okay,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: sure you were.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well before get the blowhorn ready, sir, because we
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: have to congratulate one of our super superspies, mister Jack Taylor.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: It is a girl.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: Oh shit, bravo, bravo. Congratulations sir. Yes, now you're gonna
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: have to worry about your four granddaughter for the rest
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: of your life. Protector against the scaffooss of the world.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: A taller order, a taller order, but congratulations, sir.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: Keep out of Connecticut. Everybody would be just fine. No, seriously. Congratulations. Yes,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 5: that's awesome, awesome.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, and even awesome that he's checking in with the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: pod during the gender reveal to update us. Right.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, I don't know how they were gender revealing it,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: but you know, I guess, like, you know, just imagine
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: the giant They brought a giant elephant in it farted
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: a big cloud of pink dust, and that's how you
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: know it's a girl. And then you see immediately Jack
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: run behind a tree, get on his phone and start texting.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: I feel like it might have been like maybe I'll
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: keep it brief or vague, football related. Maybe they threw
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: a football into a balloon and it even popped out
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: blue or pink.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: You never know.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: Congratulations, Sorry, yes, congratulations to Jack for sure. So let's
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: get back to my illustrious power points, shall we. Let's
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: go to FBI Document Commission Exhibit number fifty nine the
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: United States Department of Justice, a report titled Lee Harvey
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: Oswalt Internal Security. Right, so you're thinking December third, ten
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: days after the assassination, give her a take, and Frank
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: comes into this. An article appeared in the November twenty sixth,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three issue of the pomp Pano Beach Florida
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: Some Sentinel, a daily newspaper.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: Published in pomp Pano Pompenou.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: Pompino, Thank you, Sir, Beach, Yes, Florida. The article stated
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: that Frank Fiorini, head the Anti cop anti Communist Brigade,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: said that Lee Hervey Oswalt had telephone conversations with the
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: Cuban government GR two intelligence during November sixty two, interesting
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: sixty two. I wonder if that's the type of Fiorini
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: claimed that Oswalt contacted Miami based supporters of Fidel Castro,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister of Cuba, and that Oswald had connections with
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: the Cuban government in Mexico and New Orleans, Louisiana. So
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to stop right here. We heard frank
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: Ster just talk about how you know Castro was behind
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: the assassination. And I have another video I'm not sure
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: if I'm gonna play it that talks about a KGB
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: agent was behind the Grassy Knoll, Right, so you could
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: see where his intentions of linking this too are right,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: which is of course the dirty commis right Feury. He
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: claimed that Oswald handed out pro Castro literature in Miami
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: in November nineteen sixty two, try to infiltrate Cuban anti
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: Castro organizations in Miami, and is known to have a
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: bad temper.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: Interesting, Yeah, because in November sixty two, Oswald is I
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: believe living in Fort Worth, or at least we know
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: he visited Fort Worth for Thanksgiving at his brother's house
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: in nineteen sixty two because they did that little home
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: movie there, right, But it could have been earlier in
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: the month.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we have no evidence that he was
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: really in Miami, apart from you know, a.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: Lot of people over the years have said Oswald was
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: in Florida and Miami specifically. It's not just Fiorini that's
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: claimed this. It's a lot of different people claim.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: This, right, And my question is, I wonder if Frank
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: Sturgis had any inside information in terms I'm sure he did,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: but in terms of being in in Mexico and New
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: Orleans connections with the Cuban government, which would mean like
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: the embassy, you would think, right, Mexico City. So you
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: got to wonder where he's getting this information ten days
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: after the assassination.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And it wasn't just in nineteen sixty two, that
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: you know, Oswald is alledged to be in Florida when
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: he was supposed to be in Russia. There's reports of
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: Oswald in Florida as well.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is true. Good point.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: So somebody was impersonating him for some reason, which is possible,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: so very interesting to think about.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's through the rest of this document. MMT one
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: who was personally associated with Buchanan and Fiorini. So this
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: dude that wrote I want to ask you about this
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: rob that wrote this article for the Florida Sun Sentinel.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: His name was not Jerry Buchanan but James his brother, right,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: who was a newspaper article or a newspaper writer, right, yeah, yeah,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: So that and Jim of inter Pen, right, So yeah,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: you gotta wonder.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: One of them. I can't remember which one was alleged
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: to get in an actual fistfight with Lee Rvy.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: Oswald in Miami. Yeah right, it was in Miami, right, yeah, right? Interesting.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: I mean I've never really seen any definitive evidence that
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: he was handing out leafless in Miami, but it would
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: it would be part for the chorus for Oswald, right,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, he did it in Dallas. We don't hear
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: about that very much. We mainly hear about the New
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: Orleans one incidents. MMT one was personally associated with Buchanan,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: and Fiorini advised on November twenty second, seventh sixty three
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: that the author of the article is James Buchanan, who
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: was considered by persons active in Cuban revolutionary matters as
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: being unreliable. So interesting the FBI is seeing this. This
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: source also advised Frank Fierini, also known as Frank Anthony Sturgis,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: is well known as a soldier of fortune, adventurer and
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: mercenary who has been involved in Cuban revolutionary activities for
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: the past six years. On November twenty seven, to sixty three,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: Frank Fiorini advised he had not seen the above mentioned
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: newspaper article, but had made some offhand comments to be
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: Canan on the telephone the previous day. Yeah, I'm sure
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: they were offhand. I'm sure they didn't have like direct
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: hand in that article the day after right, uh Fiorini
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: said his comments were guesses, speculation and rumor based on
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: information about Oswalt carried in the press. Uh Fiorini claimed
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: Buchanan misquoted him, and he had no information that Oswalt
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: ever contacted the Cuban government. So now he's kind of
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: like caught it in the lie, right, and he's like, well,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: how do you know about it? And he goes, well,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: I was misquoted, right, just says was ever in Miami
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: or Mexico ever passed out pro Castro literature or tried
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: to infiltrate Cuban anti Castro organizations. Fiorini explained that there
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: is much rumor and speculation in Miami by Cuban exiles
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: concerning the possibility that Oswalt was connected with the Cuban government.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: I don't doubt that in one bit. He was just
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: reporting this speculative material to Buchanan, who wrote it up
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: the next day and had no idea if it was
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: true or false. Sounds a lot like he was confronted
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: with this information he gave, and he kinda was like, oh, well,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: I was excluded, right, I'm not supposed to know this.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: So let's get to was Frank Sturgis in Daly Plaza
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: and Rob I had And this might be maybe the
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: best indicator is I had to like look up which
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: Tramp was alleged to be Sturgis, because none of them
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: looked like it, and in fact, the guy in the
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: front would have been my guess, but no, no, it
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: is the tall tramp in the middle. This is the Skufuza.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: Who is Frank Sturgis allegedly.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: Right, A j Weberman will say it is Frank Sturgis.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, So we have Sturgis on the left
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: and right and the tramp in the middle, and I mean,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: it's hard to tell from just like random side by sides,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: but to me it does not line up. And again,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: we can go back to this one, or let's go
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: back to these pictures. Right again, he's a few years
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: younger here, but Marita Lorenz is not the best picture.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: I guess the picture in the left might be the clearest.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: Right with this very well looking Gumar here right, and
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: you could see the likeness in the photo in the
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: middle right, like same guy right a few years older.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: Doesn't line up for me. This is the other one.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: This is Sturgis, maybe a few years after, maybe in
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: the seventies. This is Tramp B I guess as he
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: is called. And then on the right, this is something
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: that I think A J Weberman actually tweeted that that
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: I screenshoted. He's been going on a ramp page the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: past few days with this stuff. Uh, it's a stretch.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, look at the hairline in the right here
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: in the middle, right, you know it's it's different type
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: of hair too. One hair is.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, I can see, I mean you could stretch
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: it and say, okay, go back to comparison that first
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: comparison picture you hadn't, yeah, that one. So the chin
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: I can see, Okay, the chin kind of looks similar.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: Even the nose could look similar, even the ear could
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: look similar. Right, it's the eyes for me, and the forehead.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: The dude in the middle has got a way higher
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: fucking forehead than than Sturges. Yeah, and a lot of
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: more a lot of more skin under his chin than Sturges.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: Right, And we have Sturgis's hair being like a little
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: on the I don't want to say curly side, of course,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: you know this is it's combed in some of these pictures.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: But uh, it.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: Facially he just doesn't look like the guy.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: You could say some features appear similar, like the chin,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 5: like the nose, like the ear, but facially they just
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: don't look even similar. To me, yeah.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And of course we've heard, you know, the Tramps
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: being named as Charles Harrison, like Woody Harrelson's father, right,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: the guy that he shot a federal judge, right, and
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: it was in Texas, Chauncey Holt, David christ that's another
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: one of Weberman's things. Yeah, right, and Charles Rogers. But
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: actually who found the DPD files? Rob? Where did we
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: marry La Fontaine? Where do we talk about her? What
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: book did we talk about her recently? In? Uh? I know,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: I couldn't think of it either.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: Something Oswald.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe maybe someone in the check could let us know.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: But we talked about her book on a certain subject
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: that I can't remember. Tramp Yeah, discovered November twenty second,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three of RUSS records and the DPD had
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: released in nineteen eighty nine, which named three men as
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: Gus W. Abrams, Harold Doyle and John F. Gadney.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: Jenny Gedney Yes, sorry, funt as small. Jedney is the
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: guy who is supposed to be Sturgis because Abrams the
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: old guy, and Harold Doyle is the front of the
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: guy in front.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay. According to these arrest records, the three men
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: were taken off in a box car in the railroad
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: yards right after the president was shot, detained as investigative
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: prisoners described as unemployed in passing through Dallas, then released
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: four days later. In an immediate search for these three
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: men by the FBI and others, prompted an article by
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: Ray and Mary la Fontaine. God, it's bugging me.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: What books talked?
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: I think that was a yeah, got it? Just a
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: cunny hair before you and k for your comment popped up?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: Good, good, thanks, thanks, okay, thank you page of the
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety two February Houston Post. Less than a month later,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: the FBI reported that Abrams was dead and that interviews
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: with Gedney and Doyle revealed no new information on the assassination.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: So we all know that the tramp thing was kind
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: of debunked. I don't want to say very early, but
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: maybe in the late eighties, nineties, right in the Yeah,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: for people that are paying attention.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: So then we're gonna go to j Weberman still believes it.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: Oh well, let's see what else he believes. This is
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: a screenshot from Oswalt's address book, and I have a
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: theory here, Rob. So you see on the top left,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: it goes rush right, which I think is short for
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: Russia for f O r I N, which I think
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: a J. Weberman thinks is for for Leini, right Ferini Forerini. Sorry,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: this is uh, this is messing me up. I think
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: it says foreign, not f O r e i g
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: N like it's supposed to be spelled. I think this
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: is Oswalt's dyslexic way of spelling for it. Yeah, how
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on it? Right?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: I would agree? And he claims that he came.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: Up twice and this is the other one. Let me
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: see if I could find it here. Oh, no, I
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: guess this is the same one. Yeah, it's still foreign, right.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: He obviously doesn't know how to spell four. Oh, I
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: guess it's this one on the right here.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know where he gets twice from, but I
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: think the first one this is.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: Not This is not.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: Frank Sturgis's name here. No, No, it's a huge stretch
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: to think. So, so, of course you have nineteen sixty
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: two FBI document. There's actually document, uh memorandum for the
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: FBI and subject Frank Fierini, and this is about him,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna brush through this to keep it quick.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: Marco's Diaz lands dropping a pamphlets into Cuba. Right, So what,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: like FONSI said, dude was involved in shit? But is
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: there any evidence to say he was in Delee Plaza
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: or involved in the assassination? Not that I've seen. Is
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: the HSCA final report. Press photographs of the three tramps
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: apprehended by Dallas police New Dale Plaza shortly after the
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: assassination were analyzed and compared with photographs of a number
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: of persons, including the Howard Humpt, which of course was
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: rumored to be the other tramp. Right, Frank Sturgis, Thomas
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: Arthur Valet, right, the SKUAFUSA in Chicago, Right, Yeah, Daniel Carswell,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: which is the alias for David christ who was in
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: Cuba for about three years, and fred Lee Christman, each
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: of whom had been alleged by critics to be linked
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: to the assassination. All the subjects compared only Fred Lee
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: Christmins is interesting. A Conservative active in New Orleans at
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: the time of the assassination was found to have facial
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: measurements consistent with any of the tramps. I guess they
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: had facial recognition software back in seventy eight nine.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: No, an anthropologist would have to be doing it. Do
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: it like by hand, like picture comparison.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, I see it. That is what that means. The
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: anthropologists cannot make positive identification of Chris. However, the committee
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: could not establish any link between Christman and assassination. So
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: I found that interesting and then kind of weaving our
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: way back to the initial statements of Frank Sturgis in
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: the Rockefeller Commission. This is there the Rockefeller Commission's final report,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: the allegation that Hunt and Sturgis, because of course they're
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: together as tramps and I think they might have had
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: a relationship, were together in Dallas on the day of
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: the assassination. Hunt and Sturgis testified under oath and members
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: of the commission staff. They both denied they were in
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: Dallas on the daily assassination. Hunt testified that he was
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: in Washington, d C. Metropolitan area throughout the day, and
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: his testimony was supported by two of his children and
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: a former domestic employee of the Hunt family. I'm guessing
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: like a maid, so again, not the best people to
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: confirm where you were, but it is what it is.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: Sturgis testified that he was in Miami, Florida throughout the
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: day of the assassination, and his testimony was supported by
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: that of his wife and a nephew of his wife.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: That nephew, who was then living in with the Sturgis family,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: is now a practicing attorney in the Midwest, which I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: think they might have added there to give him some
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: credence of how could this guy be wrong? He's an attorney.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: With the exception of the domestic employee of the Hunt family.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: All witnesses directly supporting the presence of Hunt and Sturgison Washington,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: d C. And Miami, Florida and the daily assassination are
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: family members or relatives. Less weight can be assigned to
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: the testimony of such interested witnesses. I agree if there
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: is substantial evidence to the contrary. If there is the
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: absence of substantial conflicting evidence, however, the testimony many of
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: the family members cannot be discarded, as in, if there's
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: no other better evidence, then the family, the famili's you know,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: testimonies have to be considered right, because there's no other
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: arguments to suggest otherwise.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 5: Inter Marika Lorenz.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: Yes, Hunt testified that he had never met Frank Sturgis
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: before they were introduced by Bernard Barker in Miami in
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy two. Sturgis testified to the same effect. Sturgis
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: further testified that while he had often heard of quote Eduardo,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: a CIA political officer who had been active in the
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: work of Cuban Revolutionary Council in Miami the CRC prior
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: to the Bay of Pigs operation in April sixty one,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: had never met him and did not know until seventy
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: one or seventy two that Eduardo was E. Howard Hunt.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: Sturgis had also been active and anticastro groups in the
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: Miami area before, during, and after Hunt's assignment on the
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: political aspects of the Bayapix project.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: Oh, Bard Hunt was George Joes Before George Joes was
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: George Howard Gibler.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind yeah, it's not far off. Other testimony
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: leaning tunt to Sturgis at a date earlier than nineteen
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: seventy one, and I'm just kind of going through that.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: Uh So there's all this talk. So Frank Sturgis, right,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: Sturgis is not his real name, right, it's Frank Fierini.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: So why did he choose the alias, if you will,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: of Sturgis well. The Rockefeller Commissioner report attempts to explain
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: this he took the name Sturgis from a fictional are
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: people alleged that Frank's Fiorini took the name of Sturgis
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: from a fictional character Hank Sturgis in a novel written
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: by Hunt in nineteen forty nine. Benini Run or rum Run.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: Sturgis testified that his name at.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: Run, Benini Run, Bemini, ben and Memini Beimini, Yes, yes
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 5: three times.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: Sturgis testified that his name at birth was Frank Angelo Fiorini,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: that his mother's maiden name was Mary Vona, that his
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: father's name was Angelo Anthony Fiorini, that his parents were
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: divorced when he was a child, and that his mother
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: subsequently remarried a man named Ralph Sturgis, and that his
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: at his mother is urging. He legally changed his name
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: in Norfolk, Virginia, where he was from sometime in the
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: nineteen fifty where he was a cop sometime in the
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: nineteen fifties, to take the last name of his stepfather.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: The search of the relevant court records disclosed that a
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: petition was filed on September twenty third, nineteen fifty two,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: in the Circuit Court of the City of Norfolk, Virginia,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: pursuant to which of Frank Angelo Furino they spelled that wrong,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: petitioned to change his name to Frank Anthony Sturgis. The
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: petition recited that his mother had divorced his father about
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: fifteen years previously and had married one Ralph Sturgis, that
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: had he that he had been living with his horribly worded,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: that he'd been living with his mother all his life,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: that his mother was worried, was known as Mary Sturgis,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: and that his stepfather also desired him to change his
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: name to Sturgis. So Frank Sturgis did not allegedly apparently
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: uses alias as Sturgis because of the fictional character.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: And just a coincidence, yeah, and Hunts.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: Novel. But instead was his stepfather's name, which I thought
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: was really interesting. And let's see if I have anything else.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: The order appears in the records of the Circuit Court
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: and the light of this documentary, Ever, evidence no way
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: can be given to the claim that Sturgis took his
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: present name from a character in a Hunt novel, or
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: that the name change was associated anyway with Sturgis knowing
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: Hunt before seventy one or seventy two, and then goes
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: on to talk about Hunt and Sturgis and things like that.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: But last thing I have here with the Rockefeller Commissioner
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: report with respect to Sturgis, even more distinguishing characteristics were observed.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: Sturgis looked like a Latin, which which I've heard a
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: few times as I've been reading up on him this week,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: whereas the Derelict had the general appearance of a Nordic.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: Sturgis had very black, wavy hair, and the derelict I
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: think they mean the tramp right, and the tramp had
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: light or blonde and straighter hair, which is what I
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: had commented on. Sturgis had a rather round face with
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: square chin lines. The tramp had an oval face with
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: a mere rounded chin. Sturgis and the tramp had markedly
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: different ratios between the length of their noses and the
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: height of their foreheads. They also had different ear and
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: nose contours. So this is even before the HSCA rob
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: the Rockefeller commission is saying.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 5: That obviously didn't read aj Weberman's book.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: When it came out after the run of the commission.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe around the scene. So yeah, that's uh, that is.
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  Speaker 2: All I have.
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  Speaker 4: But I thought Gayton Phonsie really summarized it well when
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: he said, listen like Frank Sturgis, he's a fascinating fucking character, right, dude,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: was uh involved with Castro anti Castro efforts? Uh cia
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah. But can you make any legitimate claims
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: to him being involved in the assassination? Mm hmm or
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: him and Dewey Plaza, I'm not so sure.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, they said, we didn't really get into the
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: Marita Lrenz allegations, and.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I might have to save that from a different day.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 5: Actually worth the swamp shit.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we might have just saved that for a different episode.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, one more thing before you go, Joe, I found
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: some other stuff that I had not uploaded at the time,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: just to show everybody real quick about Lester log. So
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: the circle chick is Beth Duff, his first wife. Okay,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 5: this is nineteen thirty two.
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  Speaker 4: She looks like a hobby for thirty two.
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  Speaker 5: No, this is nineteen thirty two. She's in high school, Joe,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: like fifteen or fourteen.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, that is inappropriate. She would grow up to be
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: a good looking woman.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: I like you. I like your bangs.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 4: My first girlfriend in elementary school or middle school had bangs.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: Still bangs in the eighties, Brough.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still not kind of over it, but that is
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: all right.
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  Speaker 5: Here's Lester's marriage license to Beth duff.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 5: He married her in Oklahoma, Tassa, Oklahoma. He was thirty
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 5: one and she was twenty five at the time, and
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 5: they got married in nineteen forty seven or nineteen forty four.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, ah, I was hoping this for it. So no,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 5: remember forty four the same same year that his second
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 5: wife was born.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 4: So yeah, there's this.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 5: And then one more thing is their divorce. Beth d
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: duff Loge age of their divorce was sixty seven, her
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 5: birth date was nineteen nineteen. They got married on June tenth, thinteen,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 5: divorced December seventeenth, nineteen eighty six, from Lester log and
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 5: they had three children together, one daughter that I know of,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure about the other two.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: So I hope she inherited some of his monies.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 5: I hope. So she got traded in for a new model.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: I hope she got something. Poor Beth, give a man
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: your life and children and get tossed to the side
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: of the road for some new poon.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: It's not.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 5: Life's not fair, Joe.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: It isn't. It isn't, especially when you're a rich oil man.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 5: That's right, all right, folks, Just to sum it up
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 5: a little bit, we know what these guys were up to.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 5: They were grifting, they were scheming, they were doing some
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 5: real things. I mean, when Lauren Hall pulls up to
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: your driveway with a trailer loaded guns and explosives and
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 5: wants its stored at your crib for a couple of days,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: you know, obviously you can see that your money is
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 5: going for a good cause.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 4: He's not completely full of it.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 5: Well, and little does Lester Logue know that all that
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 5: stuff came from the California Grift, all those rich doctors
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 5: like Stanley Drennan, William Potter, Gale Lester or Leslie, Eugene
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: Bradley and all these West Coasts heavies. Because you remember
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 5: when Lauren Hall went to get Hemming's gun rifle out
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 5: of Hawk the pawnshop, he wrote him a check and
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 5: it was the check was something about the anti communey,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 5: the Committee to Free Cuba, or something something like that,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 5: and Not only did he get the rifle out of hock,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: he also purchased a movie camera, right right, Yeah.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: You showed the form. You showed the form at some
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 4: point like earlier this year of that transaction, I remember.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't just some shitty like home zuppruiter camera either.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 5: It was a legit movie film camera, like a better
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 5: quality than you know, your average home movie camera. I mean,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 5: it wasn't some gigantic Hollywood thing, you know, with two
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 5: reels and all that shit. You know, he's put in
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 5: his shoulder, But it was still a very nice, nice camera,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 5: right that they picked up. And when you put those
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 5: two things together, taking a rifle to Dallas and the
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 5: movie camera, Yeah, I don't know, Joe. Something is frotten
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: in Denmark or Dallas?
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Is it to bring it all back to Denmark? Yeah? Scandinavia.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 5: Something is written in Scandinavia. Oh I love it.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, a couple of comments I had Dave
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: Smart Chris was the wire guy. Yeah, he was kind
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: of like the the John Martino of the technical Service
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: services branch. And he was arrested in a van a
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 4: Cuba once he got caught trying to bug the Chinese
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 4: embassy and was held in jail for I tink almost
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 4: three years. So yeah, and where's the other one I
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: have to start here? Do we have any hockey outtakes?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: Jobe tiny asks. We'll save that for Wednesday. We'll save
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 4: that for Wednesday. I don't have them ready, but we
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 4: do have some.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 5: In the queue, all right, So they're coming. Just call
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 5: your teeths. They are coming, They're coming.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: Your boy is still sore from Tuesday night's game. He
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: went back to his physical ways and hit a bunch
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 4: of people and now I can't move my knees.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 5: For the past three Well pull the Janner muscle down there.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm looking forward to them, and uh the
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 4: new merch and we have some even better merch coming
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: on the horizons. And uh, speaking of merch, get the
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: damn dog.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 5: Ruby Ruby Ruby, Hi, there she is. That's gonna do
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 5: us here this evening. Thank you so much for hanging
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 5: out with us, and uh enjoyed the show. We will
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 5: be back next Wednesday, Remembers only where I have got
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 5: a four page list of people. Jerry Hemming just try
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 5: and hold out to Jim Garrison that's going to be interested.
• 2:05:55
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• 2:05:59
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• 2:06:03
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• 2:06:04
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• 2:06:08
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• 2:06:11
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• 2:06:14
  Speaker 5: being said, thank you, folks. It's been an awesome evening.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 5: And uh, I hope you enjoyed it. And we'll see
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 5: you next Wednesday. Actually we'll see you before that for
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 5: the book review.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: But ah, you're not giving me the weekend off for
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: my birthday. No, man, it was worth a shot. It
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: was worth a shot.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 5: You get no breaks. You got a break coming up.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: That's the only one you're getting this year. I already
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: gave me one. Now you want to now you're asking
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 5: for three. Thank you everyone.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 4: It was worth the shot, sir, It was worth a shot.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, even our boy Greg, he's probably like Prague,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 5: Czechoslovakia right now, you know, vacation with his lovely bride,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 5: and he still manages to watch the show. Then the
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 5: next week he's in New Zealand. He's globe trotting and
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 5: he you know, he pops in and hangs out with
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 5: us for the show, and.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 4: Jack popping in during his first grandchild's gender reveal. I mean,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 4: we have a lot of people that are very committed,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: so we are just as committed we do.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 5: You never know whose deathbed you're going to be on.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: All right, guys, have a great night and we'll see
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: you later.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 5: Yes, we love you. We'll see you Wednesday as always,
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 5: Fiorimi