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Start Me Up: Greg Olear · Start Me Up with Kimberley A. Johnson

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Start Me Up podcast, part of MSW Media and the sexy liberal podcast network.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Kimberly Johnson in DC today, one of my favorites is back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Easy, like Sunday morning, Greg, Oliar, he just got back from Germany.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have so much to talk about, but before we get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now please enjoy my conversation with Greg Oliar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the show, Greg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very nice to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm so excited you're here because I wasn't sure if you'd be able to make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I asked you, you told me which I'm going to ask you about, that you just came back from Germany.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I remember the last time you were on my show, you talked about writing about the rise of Hitler and the comparison to what was happening in Germany and now, now was that trip having to do with that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or was it just for fun or why did you go to Germany?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, it's, it's work for my day job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a big point show though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was there for that and I go every year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I go to Germany every year Berlin around this time, but it was very cold and this is the first, I guess it's not the first year of the second term, but the last year when I went Trump had only been president again for a couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It had gotten as awful as it now is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the vibe of the people that are Europeans that I talked to or my friends there, you know, what they would say to me is, what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why is this happening?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they weren't angry, they didn't feel betrayed, they were genuinely baffled at how the United States of America could fall prey to this obvious Kremlin mobsters, Charlottes and rapists,
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[SPEAKER_02]: and let him basically crash the entire country and the West Phelian world order into the ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That they just couldn't understand it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I don't understand it either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you about the, you know, the thigh up and face break and Cambridge Analytica and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day,
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[SPEAKER_02]: were in a nation of more gullible, not introspective, cruel people than I realized, which is sad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, and I mean, I always keep reiterating that the ongoing defunding of education was intentional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it was taking us to this position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, you know, I don't know exactly what these people were thinking when, you know, let's just say, in 1975 or in 1992 when they were defunding education.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they were like, oh, you know, this is all leading up to some horrible person becoming president and, you know, what's happening now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was always this effort to, I think, dumb down the population and then fill the population with lies,
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is something that Fox News does very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just going to start this with my, it's not Polyana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to be very straightforward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe this is Polyana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm doing my best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I should say to look at this situation and say maybe one of the reasons this is happening, we have manifested this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: whole shitcho, clearly we have collectively, even if you didn't, and I didn't, as a country we did, and that's what Europe sees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't see individuals per se, even though they know there are individuals like us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just see us as the United States and the United States manifested this horrible man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what's happening now is all of this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: really dark ugliness is being exposed and you know I I try to find the opportunity in something awful and you know obviously my first choice would be a Kamala Harris I would much prefer to have her as president but none of this stuff would be coming out in the way it's coming out now and I think we have a real opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: providing we do this right to rewrite the country again because I think that's what human beings and Americans always do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just keep rewriting ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We fuck up and then we start over and then we fuck up and we start over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do feel
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[SPEAKER_00]: like there is something you know to be hopeful for and I want to I want to get into that a little later but I you know actually I could get into it now because I actually want to talk to you about pretty good and porter murdered by ice and what happened in Minneapolis so I did you see that video that came down this morning of the fight
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I haven't seen these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I do not know the fighting world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what WWE or whatever this was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is the, this is where the people were chanting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I think it's not a sports team that's coming out against this, but it is a bunch of people who like to watch, you know, half naked men get in a ring and beat each other up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they're screaming fuck ice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a really, really good sign.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to ask you about like obviously it's really fucking scary and they're scary shit coming because they're they're evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But do you feel, what are you feeling as far as what's happening with the people?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, you know, none of this is the surprise we should say this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've been talking about this and I have been talking about this for literally years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've been writing about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that we're now living in Iskastapo land and everything is mirroring Nazi Germany and we're literally building concentration camps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is all predictable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We all knew this was going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that there's probably
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[SPEAKER_02]: of a bottom that needs to be hit before enough people wake up to what's happening and maybe we're approaching that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the Epstein stuff that continues to trickle out will accelerate that process.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day there's no there's no consequences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no
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[SPEAKER_02]: ability even for us to hold the accountable, like I don't know what they could have done differently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know Walt's is doing a good job in Minnesota, and it's obviously the people in that state or they have figured out how to resist here in a way that's inspiring and everything else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the guys that shot her and him,
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[SPEAKER_02]: should have been arrested by, you know, Minnesota State Police or Minneapolis City Police because it's a crime that they committed in the state.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a federal crime.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a state crime.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It could happen in the, you know, that it arrest them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And nobody's doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know it's obviously that's easier said than done to find out who these people are, which I think now we know who we know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then to issue warrant for their arrest and then go get them or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But until we start having a mechanism to do that, what's the point?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, people can be mad all they want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, people can say, oh, this is this is terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've been saying it's terrible for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And too many people either unaware of it or are okay with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had a horrible thought the other day when I was in Germany, I was watching a video that the New York Times had made a video package that had little kids who were classmates of, what's his name, Luis Ramos, the boy who was, you know, the five-year-old who was kidnapped by ICE and all that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were doing this video and just sort of reading letters that they had written to ice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And talking a little bit about the boy that was taken and all this other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there were maybe five or six kids that were featured in this video.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm watching this and I thought to myself, these kids are in danger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These children are doing something more courageous than most of the grown-ups in this country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that made me so sad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just started balling and you know, I don't know what we're going to do about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really don't because there isn't there just isn't the mechanism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have like, like, God, they were going to impeach Christy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What what it's what's the point is that I just feel it's so futile like by the time we get the votes to even do it, which we can, you know, if we're going to impeach somebody and pitch Trump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't impeach, if we get rid of him, we get rid of everybody, at least in theory.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just seems like the resistance, and I'm not talking about the people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about the politicians now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: if they just are either not in positions of power enough or are completely oblivious to what's happening or to the danger of the threat that we're facing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, Chuck Schumer, just how many times can I get a fucking text asking me for $5?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not giving you $5, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not giving you $5 until you do something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't, you know, that the fun raise on this is frankly repulsive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do your jobs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I can't anymore with these people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just useless.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that the not all hashtag not all Democrats, you know, there's plenty of people doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm on your side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chris Murphy and AOC and whatever, there's obviously there's people doing good things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the leadership is still in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see the unity that we need in the party.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck are these people thinking?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what's up with Schumer?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like is he compromised?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What happened when he went to Roy Cohen's birthday party at Studio 54?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what was he doing there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: As I'm honestly asking at this point because at this point, if you're not, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_02]: getting creative about how to get rid of these people, you know, legally, quickly, all this, and I've written a bunch of pieces now about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And nobody's doing anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, one guy saying, we're gonna win a peach, Kristy, no, I'm not ain't gonna cut it, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but let me ask you this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think what's there's something, you know, as these,
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[SPEAKER_00]: horrible things are happening in fact I've got so many things to say and I don't want to get lost here But there's a there's a man that I listen to and I don't remember his last name his name is Darrell He's a black man on YouTube and he's not like a Pundit, you know, he's just an average guy and he's just weighing in and I watched something He said a couple of weeks ago and I believe it was after the death of either Renee I don't know if Alex pretty had yet been murdered
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he said, more white people are going to have to die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, you know, I don't want anyone to die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying black people know what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been going through this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, now they're starting to kill white people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And more white people are going to have to die for other white people to wake up to what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, I don't want that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we all understand how everything works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as ICE, as Donald Trump, whatever, you know, this regime continues to make people uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's really the key.
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[SPEAKER_00]: if you can't afford to pay for your kids insulin, if you can't afford groceries, these things are making people uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so every day, more and more people in this country are getting uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the way we fight this, effectively, and we have to wait for leadership from places like indivisible, but is to do general strikes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it wouldn't necessarily be the whole country and maybe it would be targeted strikes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we saw in Minneapolis, they shut down the airport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand this is a very difficult undertaking because people need to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're afraid to get fired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to make political statements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, there are a number of people and as things progress and the more uncomfortable we get, I think there might be an opportunity where we can, because I think that's, you know, we're not going to stop them with violence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Violence isn't going to stop violence, but we could stop them if, and it's a big
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[SPEAKER_00]: but with a series of strikes whether it's not working, not shopping, closing down airports, closing down, you know, if we start seeing perhaps it could start because it started with the audience in the fight that was calling for saying fuck guys, if we could see
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sports teams were starting to see a little bit more celebrity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like bleeding out into pop culture, do you think that there's a chance that we can beat them in that way?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's honestly the concept of this big general strike is hard for me
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[SPEAKER_02]: whatever he got.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did he get fired?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't have her made.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He got suspended because he made a Trump joke and then everybody would have caught a Disney for like a week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was surprised that it worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was surprised that organically enough people went out and hit these guys so that they had to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that made me rethink I think my position on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The problem with a general strike is that unlike in Europe, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and also, you know, there's no unions here, really.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's at work at whatever it's called, where you, you can just get fired, and that's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, the risks involved with doing that are so vast, and it's not just you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also your family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's a big ask.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a big ask.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that the United States is huge, it's a big country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we lived in Georgia, the country, we could all go to Blicy and protest, because there's one big, you know, maybe there's two, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean, that's where you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here, there's so many places to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, even going to Washington, D.C., and filling it, like, I don't know, that press is just gonna ignore it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think, you know what I think and you're right, you're right that the press is going to ignore it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that the press is falling apart in front of our eyes and of course it's very upsetting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I try to come from this place of, okay, it's all falling apart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're watching it all fall apart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, there is an opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are opportunities throughout history whenever whether it was the United States
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[SPEAKER_00]: came under some kind of, you know, going through, I mean, nobody's necessarily gone through what we're going through right now because we do have a unique situation, but in a way it isn't because, you know, the whole reason we came, we started this country and stole it from the Native Americans, was to get away from the oligarchs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a battle that was fought before, it's just fought in different times, we have different technologies and it's much more vast and it's spreading out and it looks like
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[SPEAKER_00]: The right wing rise, but I don't know he definitely was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's something that you know like I said It's not anything we've ever experienced before, but it is and I and I just think that it's some point because there's no way we can sustain I think we either go off into a full fascist country, which is difficult for me to imagine based on the
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[SPEAKER_00]: the indoctrination, most Americans get, as far as we're a free country and we're, you know, life-librity and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also recognize the other side of that coin where we just kind of aren't lazy or we don't, we're not motivated until we're uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we are seeing people rise up, we are seeing, you know, and I get what you're saying because if the leadership isn't holding anyone accountable, what good is it standing in the street?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think there is good
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[SPEAKER_00]: whether it was, you know, overcoming slavery, and yeah, I mean, blood was shed and there was cruelty, but we overcame it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, I have this, I think that we're going to overcome it, but I don't know how, and that doesn't mean that I think that the road to overcoming it is going to be easy, and obviously people are dying and losing healthcare and horrible things are happening to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone, children, it doesn't matter what color you are, it's worse for people of color, but clearly we can see it doesn't matter what color you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are just Nazi Gestapo ice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just have this feeling and I don't know, it sounds like maybe you don't have this feeling that we're going to overcome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're just thinking I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I get all that, but the people, I wrote my book, Ruppies, which for told about this shit happening when, if Trump got elected, and I published it in, what was the election year?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Twenty-nine incidents of May of 2024.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it what year is this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: 26?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still reading 19 before the year names, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't, my brain still hasn't quite adjusted to zero at the front of this and the people that that I was voting and listening to in my book were all right about the fashion stuff happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were all much more certain about it than I was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I even as I was writing that book, I didn't really think this would happen, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote it because I knew that if this than that, but I never thought that we would be down this path, I just did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, who are two of the people, Brintana Hills won?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and she wrote a piece, I think it byline times a couple of weeks ago, basically saying it's already over because the even the chances of a democrat succeeding Trump as president.
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[SPEAKER_02]: are vanishingly small like to actually be seated in the office because and then she listed all of the fuckery that's happening already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Tulsi Gabbards down there, screw around in Georgia, like it's over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've already fucked with the, you know, and I'm not talking about like on that TV show scandal where they put a little thing in the voting machine and I'm talking about voter suppression.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about they're going to send ice out in the
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then even if you, you know, somebody runs and wins, Trump will put him in jail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we have a, you know, a DOJ and an FBI that are just run by just flat out traders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but, well, Trump's won't do it because I think by 2020 and I don't know that he'll still be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then there's a guy name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think his first name is Robert King and, and he wrote a thing in November of 2023 and the Washington Post, RIP, Washington Post, I think it was the last post where he was basically saying, we are, and this is a conservative, you know, uh, who?
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[SPEAKER_02]: guy that has very well respected on the what used to be the intellectual rights.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And saying, you know, we're so far down the path that we're like basically just about there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if we don't do something about it right now, we're doomed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am I'm paraphrasing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he wrote that in November of 2023.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I I didn't read this, but apparently he wrote a follow-up this week, basically saying, yeah, we're fucked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that the ball game is it's done it's over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So these are two people that I looked at why I was writing my book predicted this from hack to predicted that this would happen and they were right and now they are saying this is the next things that are going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know why I wouldn't listen to those two people in the analysis, especially when all of the evidence around me and all of the reading that I've done about Nazi Germany and the, you know, in the 30s and all this stuff and the eerie awful parallels that we are seeing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, it's not the same thing, but it's, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: history rhymes, whatever, and they're clearly emulating the Nazis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Intentionally so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, you've got all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's hard for me to, I don't want to lie to people.
21:34
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be like, yeah, everything would be great.
21:35
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I say we shall prevail, and I'm trying to speak that into existence.
21:40
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the moment, I see very few ways out, and you're right, if we can get all the people in the street and shut everything down for a couple of weeks, that might do it, it might.
21:54
[SPEAKER_02]: If we can hit at their money, because it's not trumping those guys, it's the people with the money behind us.
21:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Once they start losing their fucking money, then everybody gets uncomfortable and they won't make a change, which is disgusting to me, just morally reprehensible, you know, just in a way that makes me furious, but I don't know how that happens.
22:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've proposed a plan to fix this by getting rid of Mike Johnson, which by the way, one vote, he's got one vote now I believe.
22:23
[SPEAKER_02]: right that's keeping him in the majority.
22:26
[SPEAKER_02]: We have two three people defect to our side.
22:29
[SPEAKER_02]: We can change the speaker of the house and make it anybody we want and we make it whoever we can let's make it your own power.
22:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody likes your own power.
22:38
[SPEAKER_02]: You know he's not going to be loving for power.
22:41
[SPEAKER_02]: He can clearly do the job and I've seen Mark Carney.
22:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I want that.
22:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Make him speak
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[SPEAKER_02]: row in the the bill, authorizing them to actually be able to hold office under the 14th amendment because under section three of the 14th amendment, they're not stuck in eligibility, but even be there because they've ran in insurrection and vance wasn't there that day running the insurrection, but he's running it now.
23:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
23:10
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think my argument would be none of these people have any basis to be here.
23:15
[SPEAKER_02]: The Constitution says we must vote majority, it just symbol majority or no, excuse me, two thirds majority in the House and the Senate and the Senate.
23:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they don't get the votes, they ain't president anymore.
23:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the Speaker of the House becomes president and can undo all this shit.
23:31
[SPEAKER_02]: These are things that can happen and things that can work.
23:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
23:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Talked Schumer, sorry, I know.
23:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Schumer could have done this.
23:40
[SPEAKER_02]: right after the election when the Democrats still held the fucking Senate, just put the vote in.
23:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Trump would have lost and then I don't know what would have happened.
23:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably would have gone to the Supreme Court and Don Roberts would have figured out some way to outremand it.
23:55
[SPEAKER_02]: But like at least try, buy something.
23:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not even a wild idea.
24:01
[SPEAKER_02]: He literally did an insurrection and he's
24:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing complicated about it.
24:11
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no, it's what's the word I'm looking for.
24:13
[SPEAKER_02]: It's clear as a bell.
24:15
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a thing vague about the language.
24:17
[SPEAKER_02]: It's unequivocal.
24:18
[SPEAKER_02]: He is not allowed to be president right now unless he has permission from Congress and Congress hasn't voted on it.
24:24
[SPEAKER_02]: So vote on it.
24:25
[SPEAKER_02]: All we have to do is get the bill to the floor and one of the bodies and not vote two thirds and he's out.
24:31
[SPEAKER_02]: legally.
24:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who's going to take him out.
24:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking maybe the military would because I don't think they like him at all.
24:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that I don't like that headset guy.
24:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I can I can feel the drag hard and war.
24:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You know.
24:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I fucking hate that guy.
24:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I barely even know his name.
24:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's hexath, but I took me like a year before I would even commit his name to memory.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, there's people.
25:02
[SPEAKER_01]: There's people.
25:04
[SPEAKER_00]: There are certain people in this administration, I'm sorry, regime who I just, I can't, you know, everything is, I've told you this, but like everything changed for me in 2024 because it was like, all right, I just don't feel like
25:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that I thought that this start me up podcast was like gonna change the world.
25:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I really did not think that.
25:25
[SPEAKER_00]: However, you know, we all do our little part.
25:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we play our little part.
25:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was just so discouraged because I thought, you know what?
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing any of us said, people smarter than me, people with bigger reaches than me.
25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't fucking matter.
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't fucking matter.
25:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, we're all just screaming to each other.
25:41
[SPEAKER_00]: We're screaming to the choir.
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And it really is going to take getting outside of this bubble.
25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to bring in Robert Reich did say, he said, I think it was Tuesday.
25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a video that he felt good because he said, you know, there's like, how did he phrase it?
25:59
[SPEAKER_00]: People are waking up.
26:00
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a big sleeping giant and they're starting to wake up and they're starting to realize because they're uncomfortable.
26:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And I totally agree with everything you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: all of your logic, and I don't know how this is going to go.
26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't even, I don't feel like I have some intuition about it, other than I just cannot go into the mindset that we're going to choose fascism.
26:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I do know that the road,
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: is going to be very upsetting and it's already as you know I mean there's somebody who I've interviewed on my show multiple times Jared of course now his name is escaping me and I'll remember it in a minute but he is a um
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a Gerrigate Sexton, and he is like an authoritarian expert.
26:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the last things that he wrote was about how we're going to overcome ice.
27:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually, you know, he didn't sugarcoat it.
27:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And every time I have him on my show,
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: He scares the shit out of me.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And he scares the shit out of all of my listeners because he basically tells the truth.
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And the truth that we didn't want to hear.
27:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even think I had him on in 2024 because I was too afraid of what he was gonna say.
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like everything he's been predicting has come to pass just as you're talking about when you're writing your book.
27:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, this guy seems to believe that we will prevail, and it's going to be hard and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, we are, you know, we always have to say that, but it's true, and I do think we will, and I don't know how it's going to go, and I think that the whatever solution it is is not readily available to us, and I think you're right, you know, I mean, Chuck Schumer, I can't fucking stand him, he drives me nuts.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like, okay, so I want to move this into the Epstein files because I don't know if the Epstein files are going to be what people want it to be as far as, you know, the end of Donald Trump.
28:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also kind of want to take this into Sasha Riley and see what you're thinking and something I just recently saw on him.
28:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But with all of these dumps coming out and this news coming out about, you know, putting, you know, Donald Trump.
28:19
[SPEAKER_00]: in a position of not only raping children, but possibly murdering them or having them murdered.
28:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He is losing some support from people like Joe Rogan, some other, I don't, some other fighter, big, big fighter guy who used to be Trump has now called him a pedophile publicly.
28:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so we are starting to see, you know, some fracture real fracture as a result, but we're we're finding out that people like D-Pot trocad, Nome Chomsky, and I mean, it's not surprising to find out what in Ellen, but, you know, we're finding out some of these huge people are involved, whether it's celebrities or world leaders and whatnot, and we're getting details of it.
29:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, how do you think this lands after America sits with it for a little while?
29:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think a lot of people in this country still have no idea about the latest dump.
29:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's true and just to be clear about that before I answer the Epstein question like I don't mean to like throw water on anything.
29:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I think no, I know everybody needs to resist in the way that they can and ultimately that's all we can do you know that I'm going to keep doing that until until like I can't anymore.
29:31
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a great quote, I was reading a book on by Winston Churchill, about, I'm sorry, about Winston Churchill, who during the Second World War was, you know, England was getting its ass kicked and he basically was like, here we go, here's the quote.
29:53
[SPEAKER_02]: uh he was trying to keep Britain afloat and he did it through words and through language and it mattered he did speak it into existence and there was people there in a cabinet meeting there were people there that wanted to you know negotiate for terms with Hitler to surrender and he stood up and he said if this long island story of ours is to end it last let it end
30:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So he wasn't fucking around, and I tattooed that on my fucking arm because I feel that way, because we cannot allow the occupation to happen.
30:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Once it sets in, you're right that it will fall eventually.
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Take care of that.
30:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Like is that 40 years or is it?
30:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Franco was in Spain for 40 years, or whatever.
30:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes, these things can last a good long time, and it doesn't matter if he has support.
30:52
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter if Joe Rogan likes him, if the whole country is occupied by a literal military police, and people are riding out their neighbors for violating the dear leaders.
31:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't take much.
31:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody can do anything anywhere privately, I think anymore at all.
31:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be hard for them to ramp this up after it gets past a certain point.
31:24
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have offered my solution.
31:27
[SPEAKER_02]: My solution is very easy and all it requires is a tiny bit of creative thinking and political will.
31:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
31:34
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I can do.
31:35
[SPEAKER_02]: All I can do.
31:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, moving on to your question.
31:39
[SPEAKER_02]: About the Epstein files.
31:41
[SPEAKER_02]: there's a lot there.
31:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so like, I've written a lot about this.
31:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So anybody that's listening to this that wants to know about what I think about it and what I've learned.
31:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote a four part series called infrequently asked questions about Jeffrey Epstein.
31:57
[SPEAKER_02]: on my Substack and I just just this week if you just go to Greg Oliar.substack.com.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have an index page which is all the stuff I've read about Epstein.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's extensive.
32:06
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a best faculty of book and I go through in the Q&A and it's written in that format because I feel like it's easier to parse that way and for people to get the process it including me because there's so much out there and what people are looking for I think
32:24
[SPEAKER_02]: but what a lot of people are looking for is some sort of smoking gun like okay are there is there a video of Trump doing this probably are we going to see it probably not right uh that's what I think Russia has yeah yeah well the Putin and and you know let's start with who Epstein was okay uh there's people now
32:51
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's not, he's not Mossad.
32:54
[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, it's the wrong fucking intelligence agency.
32:57
[SPEAKER_02]: He's connected to Amman, which is the military intelligence agency, which he used to be run by, or who Barack is buddy.
33:03
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he knows him from years ago, because they've worked at the dam intelligence agency together.
33:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though the New York Times says, we can't seem to find any spies between Jeffrey Epstein and foreign intelligence.
33:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Other than the fact that one of his best friends used to run the Israeli military into other than that,
33:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I can be, anyway, so you have people declaring he's beside and he's, you know, whatever he's, you know, the KGB, Jeffrey Epstein is a mercenary, all he cared about was himself.
33:30
[SPEAKER_02]: He did whatever he thought would make him money and advance his agenda or advance whatever would pay him the most or give him the most good.
33:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it was that I'll kill you later that he had no ideology, he didn't give a shit.
33:42
[SPEAKER_02]: He would work for the Russians if they paid him better than the CIA or whoever.
33:46
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just who he was.
33:47
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a mercenary.
33:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And he had a lot of connections and he had a lot of power because he was at the center of this great nexus of lots of different things.
33:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, all the intelligent services, offshore banking and finance, larger finance and banks, like super big banks, like JP Morgan and Deutsche Bank,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the entire tech, you know, big tech community through John Brockman, who is a literary agent that represents all of these kind of like science, these smart guys and girls, you know, and they, I mean, girl, like, woman, not like, I should clarify that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who would have these billionaire breakfast events and bring all these people together, an
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[SPEAKER_02]: Technology he would figure out what it would vest he would then give this knowledge to other people so he was in with that group He was in with you know You colleges and universities.
34:44
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in with the nuclear stuff.
34:47
[SPEAKER_02]: You know that's why he was down in New Mexico So close to you know Los Alamos and all that there's lots of weird nuclear shit going on right now by the way where you know Epstein was in on that the Trump media company just bought a
35:02
[SPEAKER_02]: or acquired a company that yields in plasma fusion, which is basically nuclear weapon east stuff.
35:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So all of those worlds, he sat in the center of, and everybody knew it.
35:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you wanted to have something happen or meet somebody or do this, and this is what comes out in the emails, it's, hey, Jeffrey, can I need to do this?
35:24
[SPEAKER_02]: No problem, email Leslie, and then it would be done, presumably, no matter what.
35:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, a hood baroque.
35:29
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to meet Jamie Diamond.
35:31
[SPEAKER_02]: We can set that up.
35:33
[SPEAKER_02]: You want your daughter to go to what we can set that up.
35:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he just sat in the middle of all that stuff.
35:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And after a while that becomes super powerful.
35:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's only so many people that can do that job.
35:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And if he hadn't been so in on the sex trafficking, the child sex trafficking.
35:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, and the sex trafficking sex trafficking.
35:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He probably would still be doing all this stuff.
35:57
[SPEAKER_02]: All the financial stuff, all the tech stuff, all the stuff.
36:00
[SPEAKER_02]: The way that we're, you see in the movies, there's like this cabal of evil people that run everything.
36:06
[SPEAKER_02]: That's who he is, and that's apparently what was happening.
36:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that when we say it and try to articulate it, we all sound like we're crazy or that's like some movie.
36:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And well, okay, well, who produced the movies?
36:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Who paid for some of the movies to be made?
36:23
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, one of the, one of the ways that intelligence agencies hide what they're doing is they want to promote that so that when somebody says,
36:35
[SPEAKER_02]: This happens, they can say, well, that just sounds like the movie.
36:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's in the movie.
36:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though the movie is based on something that's right, whatever.
36:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You get the idea.
36:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is all, it's a lot to grasp.
36:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And it happened over many decades.
36:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And Trump was an intimate part of this.
36:55
[SPEAKER_02]: What exactly he did, we don't know yet.
36:57
[SPEAKER_02]: He definitely was in on the, you know, rapey activity.
37:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no doubt about that.
37:04
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems, why would he be there, otherwise?
37:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, certainly was involved with some of the shady financial shifts.
37:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And for all we know was also involved with the actual traffic.
37:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we know he had girls this time I mean, actual girl that Mara Logo, that we're,
37:20
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, Galane would come and check out and then, you know, that, how is that not trafficking?
37:25
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're like, bring it east from European girls to Marolago so that Galane can then pluck them out of the jobs.
37:33
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is, but there's a lot more there potentially.
37:37
[SPEAKER_02]: But the big smoking gun thing, I think it's, it's also complicated that unless there is a
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[SPEAKER_02]: unequivocally awful that would maybe do it, and I don't even know, I don't even know any more what would do it.
38:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know either.
38:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there would be something called a smoking gun because the internet has fractured us so much.
38:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we all live in our own little area of that internet bubble.
38:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, there are people that will figure, I mean, it's just interesting to me that when this latest dump happened, we would literally see Donald Trump and Bill Clinton in the same sentence, and the right would only focus on Bill Clinton.
38:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, you know, you're the less just focusing on Trump.
38:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Pardon me.
38:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right.
38:31
[SPEAKER_02]: He is the president.
38:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wait, no, he's not.
38:33
[SPEAKER_02]: He isn't the president in many years.
38:35
[SPEAKER_02]: This entire century.
38:37
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, yeah, exactly.
38:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the thing that I find encouraging is that the Europeans are starting to play balling.
38:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Poland is going to investigate this.
38:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the UK is going to investigate it.
38:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I think France is going to investigate it.
38:53
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to see stuff.
38:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Poland is not going to, Poland is not going to fuck around.
38:57
[SPEAKER_00]: They are not.
38:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is something, I think there is something, and I don't know what, and I, this is not my area, but I do think there is something to foreign countries.
39:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not that we're not gonna have traditional world wars, it's not like we're gonna see what happened with Nazi Germany, we're not gonna see that.
39:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a completely different world.
39:17
[SPEAKER_00]: However, I do think that, you know, the countries,
39:22
[SPEAKER_00]: other countries are going to get fucked over and they're getting fucked over right now.
39:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really self-preservation and it's really self-defense.
39:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like, hey, we're going to go over and protect Americans.
39:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It's we're going to protect ourselves and I don't know what that's going to look like.
39:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
39:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be like they're going to come bombing or innovating our country or anything like that.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's going to be something.
39:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do have hope because I agree with you.
39:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hopeful there.
39:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if if European press, like legitimate European press reports on stuff, if there's a tape, let's say there's a tape of Trump killings a bit, which has been proposed that there's enough films, right?
40:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, our friend Sherry Jocobas has been saying this for years.
40:04
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what she thinks, yeah.
40:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, Sherry's rate of being right about stuff is very high.
40:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, I would say this.
40:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's happened.
40:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just comfortable enough saying I absolutely believe there's video of Donald with children.
40:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's allegedly, I don't know what's true.
40:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I think that's, I think that's enough as far as what we need to know and like because he's the kind of person that since he, and you know, I mean, maybe he did things when he was younger, but as he's gotten older, he's become the person who delegates.
40:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know that he would actually do something himself unless it were an accident and they did talk.
40:47
[SPEAKER_00]: There was something in the Epstein files about a violent fetish that turned into murders.
40:55
[SPEAKER_02]: There's also, I mean, Virginia Jew free has talks about.
40:58
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's stuff that's there.
41:00
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's say there is a video that we know is real Trump doing something speak of the awful.
41:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody's reporting on it.
41:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't see it, but we see screenshots of it.
41:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Enough that we know that it's him and that he's in a position that cannot be explained the way.
41:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Bill deep fake it, he'll blame the Clinton or whatever he'll do.
41:23
[SPEAKER_02]: But if enough of, if the European legacy media covers it, if the BBC covers it,
41:29
[SPEAKER_02]: If I'll just zero covers it, it's going to be hard for our meeting companies not to cover it.
41:35
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll try, they'll try, let's cover it.
41:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, you know, who's not going to cover it, CBS News or Fox.
41:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: CBS Fox and News Max.
41:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
41:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And on and on in Washington Post now, apparently.
41:47
[SPEAKER_02]: on and on it goes, New York Times, we put the coin with them.
41:52
[SPEAKER_02]: But that to me is the most hopeful thing.
41:56
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, even if it comes out, even if all this stuff comes out, I know Trump is necessary.
42:00
[SPEAKER_02]: So what?
42:01
[SPEAKER_02]: What are we going to do about it?
42:03
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to give Chuck Schumer $5, are we going to impeach them real?
42:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Chuck.
42:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we going to allow vote on it to impeach the guy who's the child rate best in the White House?
42:11
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to are we really okay with do it?
42:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it gets that far, are the Republicans in the Senate going to actually vote to remove them?
42:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they going to be that?
42:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah.
42:22
[SPEAKER_02]: a pop committed as they say, you know, Tommy Tubberville will vote for him in a matter of what?
42:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
42:29
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, somebody like that.
42:31
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, somebody like Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley did, you know, basically, they blow with the wind.
42:40
[SPEAKER_02]: As he says in cost of Lanka and the prevailing wind comes from Vishy.
42:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything in the world happening right now can be summed up in a life.
42:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll splunk up.
42:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably, I say, yeah.
42:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's so ridiculously on point that it's uncomfortable.
42:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I've strayed far away from your question.
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
43:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to take you over to Sasha Riley now.
43:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, before we even talk about Sasha Riley, I want to say, I don't know.
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I've already talked about him on my show.
43:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe there is enough evidence that backs up everything.
43:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, um,
43:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It's important that we listen, and I think it's important that, you know, if people can find out, because his whole thing is like, hey, I'm giving you this information, which evidently has been for years.
43:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been since, I guess, Trump's first term.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just hearing about it now, but it's been coming out.
43:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that individuals as opposed to, and I can't speak for anybody in the journalistic world, but I know individuals are trying to find out what they can.
43:44
[SPEAKER_00]: and, you know, uncover some of this stuff and, you know, I'm absolutely not going to say what he's saying is true, because I don't know, I don't know, and it's very...
43:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just major, it's major, it's horrible, it's unbelievable.
44:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm just going to fill in my listeners a little bit and then I want to hear what you have to say.
44:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the allegations that he's making is that he was in, you know, his father adopted him to put him to sell him off to people like Jeffrey Epstein.
44:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So in this one particular, you know, I didn't listen to all of the tapes, but I know the just of it.
44:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So he as a little boy was forced to have sex with a little girl and I believe they filmed it and then they murdered the little girl in front of him and then he knew Trump was to come in.
44:43
[SPEAKER_00]: to the room, and basically, you know, do what he wanted with him.
44:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And he claims that Trump was psychological, into like psychological torture as well as physical, and that was part of it.
44:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he was in rage.
44:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He claims he was in a rage and I don't know how old he was at this time 1314 something like that, 12, I don't remember.
45:01
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, so he, he knew Trump was going to come in.
45:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to kill Donald Trump.
45:05
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what he's saying.
45:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And he found a tent stake.
45:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He put a condom on it, and I guess inserted it because Trump wanted it, right, uh, wanted anal sex.
45:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he inserts it a little bit with the condom on it, and then kicks it into his aim into Trump's anus.
45:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And evidently, Trump had to be airlifted out.
45:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And then people are trying to put this together with all the news we're hearing about his incontinence, and then
45:38
[SPEAKER_00]: was the his office was rated because people want to see if they can find you know any kind of hospital records or any kind of records on this but you know the Trump's Goon came in and rated that office and then eventually he died.
45:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So this person that I watched yesterday and of course I don't have any names I'm sorry but it was just a guy that's got 150,000 followers on YouTube and he does kind of a new show he's a gay gentleman and he was talking about
46:02
[SPEAKER_00]: how some people have done some in, you know, they've done some searches and they found certain things like evidently there was Sasha saying he was in the military and some guy said that he saw Sasha in a child sex video and and you know he says yes and so I guess this part of this is kind of been corroborated or corroborated and then another woman found out that yes, the father of Sasha as Sasha says was a pilot for people like Jeffrey Upsing not enough to prove anything
46:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But this story isn't going away, and I cannot say myself what I think, but I think it's worth paying attention to.
46:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just wondering what you're thinking about all of this.
46:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think you did a very good job of explaining everything, including the tenth thing.
46:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and that's to me, I have no doubt that he's sincere, and I have no doubt that he was traumatized.
46:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
46:54
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no question.
46:55
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it like as he remembering wrong, because he was traumatized?
46:58
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the question, and that's not intentional either.
47:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have gotten noticed from people and been in communication with people over the last eight years who are very sincere and have stories to tell, and I listen to the stories, and I halfway through them like, yeah, this isn't a thing, I saw a video of,
47:28
[SPEAKER_02]: someone on Instagram that somebody earthed up talking about, you know, I was there and I was raped by it was Donald Trump and Clinton and George W. Bush or H. W. Bush.
47:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no, it's now, you know, like, but that she meant it, you know, in her mind that happened.
47:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't say she's not a liar, but it didn't necessarily have exactly exactly.
47:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the thing with
47:55
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, again, we want to believe what people are saying, who have been abused this way, and we want to protect them and all that stuff.
48:04
[SPEAKER_02]: To me, there's a couple of things that makes my antenna go up.
48:11
[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, there's multiple people that we now know who they are.
48:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Jim Jordan is in there, what's it, is it Andy Biggs?
48:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:19
[SPEAKER_02]: So three people who are currently politicians in Washington.
48:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's a little strange.
48:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:25
[SPEAKER_02]: That to me seems and he's living in like Oklahoma or something.
48:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's out, not out of the country now.
48:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, no, no, at the time.
48:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
48:35
[SPEAKER_02]: When it's a joke.
48:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, these people are all going to Oklahoma.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
48:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't, that, to me, it just, that part of it to me doesn't ring true.
48:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:45
[SPEAKER_02]: But the main thing is that, that thing, it looks.
48:48
[SPEAKER_02]: If you take a, you know, a nine inch,
48:52
[SPEAKER_02]: spike like that, whether or not it has a condom on it and put it in someone's, I think kick it really hard, they're probably going to be dead, you know, and I just, I, I just,
49:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I really would like to get beyond that.
49:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But, and maybe it's maybe he didn't need to get airlifted.
49:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he did all that.
49:13
[SPEAKER_02]: But if he got airlifted, how old was he?
49:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Donald Trump was in the news all the time.
49:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
49:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody will know about it.
49:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
49:21
[SPEAKER_02]: His family would know about it.
49:22
[SPEAKER_02]: His friends would know.
49:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And it would be easy to put, because Sasha, we know how old he is now.
49:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's claiming he was whatever age it would be easy to figure out what year that was.
49:32
[SPEAKER_02]: If he did not know, he's no gohama.
49:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Ace Greenberg's from Oklahoma City, that's Trump's one of his mentors, a guy that he was involved financially.
49:40
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the guy that basically discovered Jeffrey Epstein and said him on the path.
49:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So there are, it's not like there's no ties to Oklahoma.
49:47
[SPEAKER_02]: There are.
49:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very important title, Oklahoma.
49:50
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, but that piece of it to me just seems in my mind it's too much for me to believe.
49:58
[SPEAKER_02]: without more proof.
49:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, I'm not saying he's a liar.
50:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying I need a little more to really, you know.
50:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
50:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because there's a whole sci-up angle, which again, I'm not saying that this is actually what's happening.
50:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think any of us at this point can say what's happening regarding Sasha Riley, but you know, the paranoid side is like, well, what if this is an intentional sci-up?
50:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, Sasha has been talking since
50:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like all of a sudden this is new.
50:30
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just new to us.
50:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But I found a tweet.
50:33
[SPEAKER_02]: You can go on Twitter.
50:34
[SPEAKER_02]: You can go on my blue sky and look at the media because I have the tweets that are screenshot on it.
50:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
50:40
[SPEAKER_02]: From, you know, in first term.
50:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, go ahead.
50:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but just the idea of, oh, now I forgot what I was saying, what was I saying?
50:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry that he's been saying this for a long time.
50:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't remember my main point, but ultimately doesn't matter because I think that, you know, and I want to go back to the belief thing because I'm a very, you know, the whole, I knew there was going to be trouble with the trust women thing, because sometimes women lie.
51:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, we're human beings, it's not like women are immune from lying, especially when it comes to politics.
51:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we all know whatever her fucking name is, and I have erased it from my mind, but the women are weird.
51:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Terry, thank you very much.
51:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So when this happened, it was that, you know, we got that thrown in our face.
51:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll believe women, believe women, what we don't believe her, no, but what we did do and what I did do and many of us did is we took her seriously and I think that's important.
51:38
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to take every single person who's claiming that they were abused or hurt or whatever.
51:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, but that doesn't mean we have, but what especially when it's attached to politics, we need to vet and really validate and make sure and not just take someone at their word, because then the right just comes screaming, you said to believe women, and it's like, I wish we would just say take them seriously, because that's what needs to be done.
52:05
[SPEAKER_00]: When you report that your house has been burglarized, you know, you want to be taken seriously,
52:12
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, there's always an investigation that has to go on and find out what's going on.
52:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the case here.
52:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to be clear about that.
52:21
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a good point, too, because it leads into some of the things that are in the absent files that released in this last duck.
52:29
[SPEAKER_02]: The FBI takes the things seriously, when people call in with a tip, they write it down, they honor it, they look into it, they follow up, and a lot of what's in the files now, and a lot of what you're reading in the media are SDI tips, there are records of tips that people call in the FBI.
52:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of those tips may be true, a lot of them probably are not because they
52:56
[SPEAKER_02]: gave a wrong phone number, they couldn't confirm that this happened or that happened or whatever.
53:02
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I read one thing that said, oh well, you know, there was this thing that happened and people are buried on on the Donald Trump golf course in.
53:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was there in California, and this was in 1980, whatever, was like the mid-80s.
53:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he didn't know in the fucking golf course until like 20 or two.
53:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So that ain't true.
53:24
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just not.
53:25
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't own the golf course at the time that this supposed to have it.
53:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, maybe there's another golf course.
53:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's there buried there anyway, and he's you're saying it in the present tense, but
53:35
[SPEAKER_02]: when you get something factually wrong in that and then also they try to follow up and couldn't but people are reporting those stories like they're absolutely real and maybe they are, but you know what you said is true.
53:48
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to honor the people calling and take them seriously until such a time has it's been determined that we no longer have to.
53:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And there is going to be because these guys are in charge of releasing the files.
54:01
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to keep doing it, they're going to trickle it out.
54:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're figuring out what's a release at this time.
54:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of the stuff that's going to come out is going to be red herrings and misdirection stuff.
54:15
[SPEAKER_02]: What they want, I think, is for something in the files to get everybody's eyeer up.
54:24
[SPEAKER_02]: and everybody to make a big deal about it in a left-wing media and then it turned out to be bullshit.
54:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Be nothing.
54:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
54:30
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the other thing that we, uh, you know, you would be especially after have to guard again.
54:37
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was talking about with Sasha.
54:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
54:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:40
[SPEAKER_00]: What if he's like a sign up?
54:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I forgot what I was saying.
54:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Now he's not in the, he's not in the files.
54:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It's ours.
54:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
54:47
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but the idea of like, and I'm not, and I don't really think this is about what he's doing, but the idea of he puts this out, all this, you know, salacious information, and then we find out it's not true.
54:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And if everybody jumps on to it and believes it, and if media picks up on it, and it, you know, and then it's not true, then everybody looks, then what do you believe when the truth comes out?
55:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
55:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's
55:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know shit, but I mean, so like who's even going through them and learning all this stuff and who's writing about it?
55:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's making the determination that who's showing the connections and all of this and why can't the government do that is that it's job?
55:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because Todd Blanche is apparently, you know, he's with Glean and the thing and I want someone to ask him to his face.
55:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you hook up with Glean Max Paul?
55:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it seems like you guys had a little chemistry going.
55:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
56:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even kidding.
56:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so, and then it's just, I can't believe that it worked, like, it's so frustrating.
56:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what he already did is enough.
56:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know, I know, he, he, he led an insurrection.
56:24
[SPEAKER_02]: He that was almost successful, which police officers died, people died in the insurrection.
56:30
[SPEAKER_02]: He presided and he weaponized and monetized the pandemic response and about the third of a million Americans died, who wouldn't have died if he had not done that by many estimates.
56:43
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, his record of pardoning people who do not deserve pardon is shameful and nobody fucking talks about that and it less drives me nuts because it's not political.
56:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I think anybody who even takes five minutes to look into the pardon would be appalled at these people that he's pardoned.
57:02
[SPEAKER_02]: He's done all of that.
57:04
[SPEAKER_02]: He, you know, he invaded the foreign country for no reason.
57:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He's threatening Greenland.
57:08
[SPEAKER_02]: He's, forget about the amoluments clause that he's flat out taking bribes from foreign countries like all of these things are very illegal and nobody cares.
57:21
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just waiting for, well, I know you did all those things, but I need the next thing to happen.
57:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what's the next thing?
57:27
[SPEAKER_02]: There's only so many more things that it can be that are going to be, you know, at this point, I think he's right.
57:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue in a way with it.
57:37
[SPEAKER_02]: For all we know he did, maybe he said that because that's what happened.
57:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's what's in the file, a video of that, you know.
57:46
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing, and I wrote about this to try to just in a speculative way, get to what?
57:54
[SPEAKER_02]: what would it take if anything, what would be so bad that would make him, first of all, fear the disclosure of these files in a way that he clearly does.
58:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we can agree on this, right?
58:04
[SPEAKER_02]: He's literally there's thousands of FBI agents who are not fighting crime.
58:09
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just eliminating his name from these files and making sure that his ship doesn't come out.
58:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's delaying, and he's this, and he's that.
58:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And something didn't there that he doesn't want out.
58:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And he didn't get the shit about most things.
58:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he cares about it.
58:24
[SPEAKER_02]: If there was a video in there of him with a 16-year-old, he'd probably be like, great face it.
58:29
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, look at me, I'm such a macho guy.
58:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's something worse than that.
58:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
58:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it's, you know, maybe it is, maybe there's a video of Sasha Riley with the spike and all that.
58:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, maybe it's that.
58:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's,
58:46
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, it has something to do with the pandemic, you know, and how that story, how that happened or exacerbated or whatever, maybe use it.
58:56
[SPEAKER_02]: My thing, the worst thing and election broad, which seems to be right away, something that is coming out now.
59:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, but the Epstein was very much involved in this discovery around the 2016 election with Russia, with Peter Teele, with Cambridge Analytica, with Facebook, and you know, just like some of us were talking about then at the time, but clearly nobody cares about that.
59:21
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we've moved on, we're the only thing I can think about, the only thing I could think of that could do it.
59:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, this is just pure speculation and just a me trying to answer that question.
59:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wrote about this.
59:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it something to do with 911?
59:41
[SPEAKER_02]: If we found out that Jeffrey Epstein, oh, wow, I've either was involved in it, I've had four knowledge of 911 and passed that information on the Trump.
59:51
[SPEAKER_02]: That would do it.
59:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not impossible.
59:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Donald Trump,
59:57
[SPEAKER_02]: got a tour of the basement of the World Trade Center.
1:00:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You talked about it in the radio call he made or what he called it in the TV station on the day of 911.
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_02]: You talked about, I had an engineer walk me through this stuff.
1:00:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're going to hit those buildings, you need blueprints.
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_02]: You need technical information.
1:00:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
1:00:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the miles in a cave somewhere, right?
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just in a cave.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't get that.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_02]: What does he do?
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_02]: He calls his friends, Samian Mogalevich, Russian Master, who had sold him the promise software, years ago, and who he knows.
1:00:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Mogalevich called Epstein, which is what would happen.
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And Epstein says, OK, I'll get you the plans.
1:00:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I know just the guy who can get them.
1:00:41
[SPEAKER_02]: my buddy Donald and that goes back to that.
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And then this thing happens and Donald's like, oh shit, I didn't realize that was gonna happen.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, or whatever.
1:00:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, let me be very clear.
1:00:54
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just me speculating.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Not even speculating.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just, I'm writing a fantasy of fantasy.
1:00:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fan-right.
1:00:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You can say, like this is far better.
1:01:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It could happen.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's the thing.
1:01:09
[SPEAKER_02]: We knew there was chatter around 911 in the intelligence services.
1:01:13
[SPEAKER_02]: People, there are people who knew what was that something was going to happen, okay?
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_02]: If there anyone in the United States had any idea about what was going to happen on 911, it was Jeffrey MC.
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Of that I have no doubt.
1:01:28
[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't mean he did.
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Do with it any of that.
1:01:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Just no.
1:01:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he knew.
1:01:32
[SPEAKER_02]: If anyone did.
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_02]: eat it and you know then it then it plays out and you look at other people that are in the thing who cleaned up after 9 a.m. Maniforpe Brothers construction, Giuliani is it?
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Who didn't go to work that day and all his employees died, Howard Lettnick right?
1:01:50
[SPEAKER_02]: They're the same names pop up you know and again I'm not saying anything other than pointing out connections here
1:01:59
[SPEAKER_02]: and trying to speculate what's in these fucking files that's so terrible that he because I don't think it has anything to do with the children or the rape so the sex problem.
1:02:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
1:02:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it has to do with other things.
1:02:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what Trump is in the freight of that of stuff.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not afraid of the sex trip.
1:02:15
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows these people don't care because people don't care, they've already
1:02:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I thought about this for months, and that's the that to me is the worst thing that I could come up with.
1:02:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, and if you come up with anything else, let me know, you know, I will, I will, but I don't have your mind.
1:02:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I probably won't, but I want to before we go.
1:02:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to,
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[SPEAKER_00]: throw this one idea out there because it's a pet peeve of mine.
1:02:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Back in the first term, I was really curious about Melania, and I wondered if she was purchased, if Trump purchased her.
1:02:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I talked to a feminist on my podcast who kind of didn't want to hear it.
1:02:57
[SPEAKER_00]: She just decided that Melania was a fucking bitch and fuck her, I don't care.
1:03:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I think Melania is a fucking bitch and I think that she makes awful choices.
1:03:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But I recently just read, now I think this is true, you know, I saw it online.
1:03:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't go to the Epstein files to make sure.
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was, I guess, an email from Sunye to some, do you know, do you know the Sunye thing?
1:03:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I knew that she said an email to somebody, but I didn't look at it yet.
1:03:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know who the email was.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was Epstein, but whatever it was, it was SUNY was shaming a 15-year-old, uh, basically for being raped.
1:03:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought about it, you know, I mean, and it's like it pisses you off.
1:03:43
[SPEAKER_00]: If this is true, and if she, like, shame on that girl for throwing herself at that man, um, it was kind of that tone.
1:03:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I just thought, okay, this is coming, if this is true, this is coming from a girl who was groomed by her stepfather and married her stepfather, basically.
1:04:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's still with him.
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can, you know, we can sit here and point our finger and say, what a fucking bitch.
1:04:09
[SPEAKER_00]: She's blaming a victim, but she was a victim.
1:04:13
[SPEAKER_00]: She was groomed.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And I look at somebody like Melania or any of these people.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder about them and it's like, take out your, because what I see, if I even ask this online, so many people want to shoot me down and say, well, she's a fucking bitch, I don't care.
1:04:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like if, if we're ever going to,
1:04:33
[SPEAKER_00]: solve problems that that play us now.
1:04:36
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to realize how we got here instead of just hating on people, which I mean, I don't I'm malania chose to wear that fucking jacket that said she didn't care when she went to, you know, having to do with those children.
1:04:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So we all know that she's a fucking greedy bitch.
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Put all that aside for right now.
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, you know, we don't know a lot about her.
1:04:59
[SPEAKER_00]: We know what we've been told about her.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that her father is like Trump.
1:05:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's said in the Epstein files that Melania was introduced to Trump by Epstein.
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess the rumors are that she was fucking Epstein first.
1:05:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but it's like some of these women in this, you know, human sex trafficking or global ring.
1:05:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know, I feel like
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether or not they're behavior now as a parent, I really wonder about them and I just can't stand it when I want to kind of play it out on social media that the first reaction is just to write somebody off because they're a bitch and not to say, yeah, there's a psychology behind it.
1:05:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe if we understood the psychology and if we understood what was really going on, we could do more things to prevent it.
1:05:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm just bitching right now because I just feel like I can't be nuanced like that online, because people just want to yell at me because they want to hate Melania.
1:06:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like Melania either.
1:06:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hate her because I don't see the point in hating anybody.
1:06:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate what people do.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like, you know, what she is doing is fucking awful.
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's hating and abetting this fascist.
1:06:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, she could have a lot of power
1:06:20
[SPEAKER_00]: But she, you know, for whatever reason, she's not going to do that.
1:06:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.
1:06:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm making my point.
1:06:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish people were a little bit more open at examining instead of rushing to emotion, because that's not necessarily going to help us.
1:06:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's my piece, I said it.
1:06:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to not say anything about Melania because I don't want us to get sued.
1:06:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Because she'll sue you, you know, she's very litigious.
1:06:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I know she's.
1:06:49
[SPEAKER_02]: she came to the United States in August of 1996 with her buddy Paolo Zampoli, last seen calling Ice on his longtime ex-girlfriend, allegedly, whatever that whole story is awful and paint small audio and a not very kind play.
1:07:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: then there's some speculation that maybe that date was inaccurate.
1:07:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And anybody that has gone on record saying that is who she comes after.
1:07:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know,
1:07:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to tell you that she came in August of 1996, never been the United States before that.
1:07:32
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's be very clear that that's what I'm saying.
1:07:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:07:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just letting you know that that's where the controversy is.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And the other thing about her that you have to, uh, that your listeners should know is, um,
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a Mary Jordan wrote a biography about Melania, Pulitzer Prize winner, I think that's her name.
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And my friend, Nina Burley, also wrote a book about the Trump women, and both of them were in Slovenia doing research into Melania.
1:07:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And Mary Jordan was like, I've written about drug cartels, I've written about spies, I've never had it be harder to find out information about somebody that's done about Melania.
1:08:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And Nina said the same problem, like people were like,
1:08:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:08:14
[SPEAKER_02]: They were afraid.
1:08:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've really been told not say anything.
1:08:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, this is just more data, more data points.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just, you know, but in mice, the whole thing about Melania, I claim to know absolutely nothing.
1:08:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, she was there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was there when Trump and Epstein were doing shit.
1:08:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, absolutely there.
1:08:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:08:36
[SPEAKER_02]: She's literally in a
1:08:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I, you know what I mean?
1:08:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that there's the whole Fergi thing, which I'm not, we're not going to be getting to it.
1:08:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're following anything about Fergi and Epstein, it's like, oh my god, these fucking royals, you know, it's always disappointing people, people in power are always going to disappoint you, and, you know, that's just the way it is.
1:09:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I don't want to know.
1:09:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I need fucking more information about Mick Jagger, because I love the Rolling Stones, and I just don't want to know anything else about that man.
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_00]: because I want to keep liking that music.
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, when I saw him go to the Beezos wedding, I just covered my ears and my me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I thought about that because when I saw that, it was a picture of Bill Clinton and Mick Jagger and there was a young woman in between or a shorter woman.
1:09:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how old she was because they blanked out her face.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But I did think because there was also pictures of Michael Jackson there with his kids.
1:09:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And I absolutely guarantee Michael Jackson what, you know, he had his own,
1:09:36
[SPEAKER_00]: allegations and whatnot, but nothing was happening in that time.
1:09:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he brought his kids, obviously.
1:09:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So there were, you know, I think that there were people that, you know, like, okay, I'm not, I'm not going to get into the Michael Jackson thing right now, but I will just say, let's just say, for argument's sake, if you were guilty, there would be, you know, he didn't
1:10:00
[SPEAKER_00]: McCulley Cole can said nothing happened.
1:10:02
[SPEAKER_00]: There's always going to be somebody they don't hurt.
1:10:07
[SPEAKER_00]: In order to have that, somebody's going to come and say, oh, nothing ever happened to me.
1:10:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I never saw them behave that way.
1:10:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So then it's plausible deniability.
1:10:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And it looks like, well, I don't do that.
1:10:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But regardless, I think that with...
1:10:23
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the point I'm trying to make here?
1:10:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going off into attention and I'm forgetting myself again because FYI I've been taking cold medicine and You know, it makes my brain a little foggy.
1:10:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So because Bob was sick all last week and then I was feeling like I was sick But ultimately, there's plausible deniability in all of this and not every single person is going to be a victim not every single person and I guess I'll go back to Melania and say I think that whether it's
1:10:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Melania, or whether it's SUNY, or any of, like, I mean, I'm trying to think of a specific women, those two are popping up.
1:11:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, I don't know what to believe, but what I do believe is these people came from
1:11:12
[SPEAKER_00]: a certain lifestyle, okay, like, you know, you look at a Trump supporter and they grow up in a religious circumstance, they're indoctrinated into their religion, maybe they're like evangelical Christians, and they're taught...
1:11:28
[SPEAKER_00]: to believe certain things that aren't necessarily true, but they believe it and they live by those.
1:11:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And then here comes Trump and then they hear from their family and their friends and their church.
1:11:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, you get wrapped up in this world.
1:11:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy for someone like me to point my finger and say, well, you should be this way.
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't, you should do that.
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_00]: You should be a better person.
1:11:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But when their entire world is organized in that way, they don't even see that it's like somebody like Melania, somebody like Sony is not looking at the world.
1:12:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm looking at it.
1:12:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?
1:12:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm going
1:12:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss the psychology and head straight to, I'm angry and I want to point my finger.
1:12:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I get we all want to blame.
1:12:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And Melania and Sunni and all of these women and all the women that are involved in Markle, I don't know what the fuck is wrong with Galane Maxwell.
1:12:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't know what happened in her life that made her that or I don't know if she was born that way.
1:12:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know any of it.
1:12:43
[SPEAKER_00]: for her father's pretty awful her father was pretty awful okay well there you go and it's like so these people there are you know raised in these situations and it's not like I'm forgiving them it's not like I'm saying oh well they had a hard childhood so we should forgive them or look the other way of course not if they committed crimes they need to pay like everyone else but you know the last thing I'll say about this is
1:13:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I just find Jeffrey Dahmer so fascinating out of all of the serial killers that I'm aware of because when he was asked in prison, you know, about his condition or compulsion or whatever, he said, look, I have the compulsion and I don't like it and I need to be in here because if I'm let out, I'm going to do it again.
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he genuinely hated that side of himself, but he was unable to stop it.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said it.
1:13:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I just, I can't stop it.
1:13:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't really even have compassion for the people he killed.
1:13:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He felt he loved them in his own fucked-up way, but it was like when they died,
1:13:52
[SPEAKER_00]: He just was a little detached, and I feel like, okay, so you take a look at someone like him and he absolutely deserved to be in prison.
1:14:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you compare him to somebody like, I don't know if everybody's gonna know this particular guy, but the night stalker Richard Ramirez.
1:14:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember him well because I lived in California and he was fucking evil as shit.
1:14:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And when he was interviewed, when you just see him on an interview,
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_00]: there was this evil coming off of him and he like delighted in what he did where you look at Jeffrey Dahmer and he did not delight in it.
1:14:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He he said, I this is how I am and I don't like it but
1:14:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stop myself.
1:14:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there are psychology's there.
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like there's one good serial killer and one bad serial killer.
1:14:46
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both fucking bad.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you under, you know, it sucks because the Jeffrey Dommer's mother, no, father did not allow his brain to be, you know, they didn't donate his brain to science, which his mother wanted.
1:15:01
[SPEAKER_00]: because maybe we could have figured some things out about his brain, and that's the whole fucking point.
1:15:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, let's figure out how people get there, and then if we figure out how they get there, maybe we can start doing things in our cultures to prevent that.
1:15:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's always my point, and I just wish people were a little bit more open when it comes to stuff like that, because it's like, yeah, you can still be angry at Melania, you can still have all your anger and hatred and whatever you want to have.
1:15:25
[SPEAKER_00]: But we could also look at, okay, well, let's just,
1:15:30
[SPEAKER_00]: they have to separate their emotions.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they get down to the crux of it.
1:15:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe they can solve it.
1:15:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, there's my, like I said, that's my rant.
1:15:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just, I don't know if I completely veered off from what you said because I don't fucking brain fog, but whatever.
1:15:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
1:15:46
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the only serial killer I know is Donald Trump's good friend, Hannibal Lecter.
1:15:51
[SPEAKER_02]: A sense of take I once tried to test me.
1:15:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I ate his liver with some farm abeans and a nice can-tee.
1:16:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I have nothing to say about serial killers.
1:16:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say, you know, what you're talking about is that people have empathy for other humans.
1:16:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:16:13
[SPEAKER_02]: When I look at anybody,
1:16:14
[SPEAKER_02]: No matter who it is, I have empathy and I try to give them the benefit of the doubt and brain.
1:16:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Because partly that's who I, how I'm wired, but partly it's because I'm a fiction writer and it's interesting to understand what makes people take it out and all that kind of stuff.
1:16:31
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I think it really just boils down to, I want to commune with this person.
1:16:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to find the commonality that I have with this person.
1:16:39
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it that I have in common with
1:16:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, but Melania, I think people have given her a pass in a lot of ways.
1:16:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like she has gotten less appropriate than she deserves from being part of this whole Epstein thing.
1:16:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:16:58
[SPEAKER_02]: She was there.
1:16:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been there for years.
1:17:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't heard any.
1:17:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw a note in the Epstein files where she was very nice to Elaine, but I haven't heard any.
1:17:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Her going to bat for any of the victims last I heard she refused to go to bat for one victim.
1:17:12
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, what's that all about I know I think she could blow this up.
1:17:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I think of Ivanka could blow it up probably no shit.
1:17:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
1:17:19
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to we might find out about or not.
1:17:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, there are people in the know who could actually, yes, you know, have a press conference and below this to smithereens and they're not doing it and Melania is one of those people.
1:17:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that the the dump came out while they had the movie premiere so funny to me, so good.
1:17:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to, I want to, I want to one more f's theme point.
1:17:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
1:17:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, because it's about this thing you said before about Clinton and Trump and, you know, all that, uh, I'm not saying Clinton is innocent.
1:17:52
[SPEAKER_02]: But the, Epstein is a guy who clearly like to have his picture taken with a lot of people.
1:17:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was talking about.
1:17:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
1:17:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Maria Boutino's like that.
1:18:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember the Russians buy a girl.
1:18:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
1:18:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
1:18:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
1:18:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's pictures of, yeah, there's that picture of Elon Musk and Glenn Maxwell.
1:18:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
1:18:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Glenn Maxwell likes to have a picture taken with famous people.
1:18:11
[SPEAKER_02]: So just because there's a picture of this person with somebody else at some event that is a public event or whatever, that doesn't mean anything, it just doesn't.
1:18:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And just to throw that out there because I think people see pictures and they sort of go all, I don't like Rick Santorum at all.
1:18:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But he had his picture taken once with Maria Boutina and people constantly were giving him shit about it.
1:18:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, she was just there and asked he had her picture taken.
1:18:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, that's the point I forgot I was making.
1:18:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the Mick Jagger Bill Clinton thing.
1:18:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, they could have just been for fundraisers.
1:18:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
1:18:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Clinton in his statement.
1:18:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what was in his statement, or for some other thing with the he said recently, which was, you know, with Epstein, once you've found out,
1:19:00
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a moment when everybody found out and there are people that left and there are people that stayed and Clinton was like, I left at that time, but these people lost the people stayed, why did they stay, why is J.P. Morgan all up in this stuff, so many, you know, why do people stay with this guy who's it clearly, clearly an evil person.
1:19:24
[SPEAKER_02]: in every way that, you know, that we've seen.
1:19:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, it's just like Kevin Spacey's name comes up for example.
1:19:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Kevin Spacey, there's a lot of things not to like about Kevin Spacey.
1:19:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:19:38
[SPEAKER_02]: He's friends with Bill Clinton.
1:19:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And Bill Clinton was like, hey, we're doing this piece trip to Africa.
1:19:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't really, I've asked some people.
1:19:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I got shot down and you want to go.
1:19:46
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, sure, I'll go.
1:19:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it turns out Epstein's
1:19:52
[SPEAKER_02]: if you're a person and you're no the President.
1:19:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, hey, come on this trip with me, you're not going to say, you know, I'd like to take the trip, but out of the guy who's playing, we're writing on feels little dodgy to me, like nobody would do that.
1:20:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:20:11
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he's one of the reasons Epstein was so effective.
1:20:13
[SPEAKER_02]: He was able to get all of these people to trust Washington.
1:20:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I lived in New York City from 1995 to 2005 for 10 years.
1:20:22
[SPEAKER_02]: If somebody called me,
1:20:23
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, in the late 90s early off before all the stuff came out about it before anybody even knew who he was Epstein and they said, hey, I'm going to this dinner party at this point.
1:20:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited to mention and Woody Allen's going to be there and you know
1:20:39
[SPEAKER_02]: such and such is going to be there and do you want to go?
1:20:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I would not be like, I don't know, I better bet the guy who's, you know, right?
1:20:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to the event.
1:20:49
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, and I'm, you know, it's funny, but it's also that's how, that's how a lot of this happened.
1:20:56
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how people got, that's what we got in the room with people.
1:20:59
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not, if, if, if Buck and Bill Clinton, if the president of the United States can't let a guy,
1:21:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm supposed to, like, at least initially, but once, like Clinton said, once you found out, and there was a moment when everyone found out, if you didn't abandon them then, those are the people that are the problem.
1:21:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to just throw that out there.
1:21:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Kevin Spacey is not the villain in this story.
1:21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the villain in others.
1:21:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's something right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The greatest trick to devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I know we could probably just go on, but I need to let you go and finish your day.
1:21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, first of all, once again, want to thank you for agreeing to be on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love talking to you.
1:21:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I love your mind.
1:21:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And whenever I do a show with you, I always am excited.
1:21:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say that about every guest, but I'm always excited to talk to you because I know it's going to be fun.
1:21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I know just tell everybody where to find you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for saying that I'm always going to come on you show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love talking to that it's only about if I'm free or not Or that's what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think you'd be tired and yeah, I'm fine I was a little bit angry.
1:22:14
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right to be getting of them So I apologize for that was less less funny than usual, but I am frustrated.
1:22:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I am frustrated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I think I'm more
1:22:23
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, and it's just I'm not going to lie to people and say that I'm doing okay when I'm what I feel the way that I feel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, anyway, thank you for having me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's always a pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, like I said, I'm on Substack.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Greg Oliar dot Substack dot com.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go check out my lots of stuff about Epstein on there.
1:22:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I go into the weeds a lot with it.
1:22:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a live YouTube show that I do on Friday night with my friend Stephanie Kauf called the five eight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's 8 PM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a brain.
1:22:54
[SPEAKER_02]: She is a brain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is also right in her belly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be big.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a lot this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a podcast and occasional podcast of my own and that's sometimes I do now these days as you know and I got a bunch of books I think if you go to Greg Oliar.com, there's like a big linkie thing there that there's just a wealth of knowledge Everybody go to Greg Oliar.com.
1:23:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I tell you a funny thing real quick because it's not easy funny So I was I was at Christmas and my niece and nephew were there who were
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are they 22 23 24 whatever they are and they said they were asking me like how many books of you written?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like I was trying to remember I'm like I don't know six seven and they both I mean it laughed so hard They were like crying if I said six seven annoyingly Like that you know the six seven thing no You know six seven now okay Google when I'm done
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[SPEAKER_02]: And actually, actually, better yet, don't waste time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like, we're 20 or one of these, we're weird internet dumb things that's what we understand, but they laugh so hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that is funny I mean it is it is not but the anyway so I've read a bunch of six or seven possibly books then it's not so good so go read Greg Oliar's six or seven books either one it'll be worth your time but thank you so much Greg and I know I'll talk to you again