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Andy Woods: Religious Freedom & Founder’s Intent vs Judicial Tyranny (REPLAY) · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Thank you so much for tuning in to World View Matters.
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  God, Dr. Andy Woods, with us, can't wait to get to him.
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  We're talking about judicial tyranny and other things, the power of the fed, which was
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  never intended in this nation.
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  So Andy Woods is with us today.
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  Before we get to him, I want to read a scripture and you're going to understand why in just a
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  minute.
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  Ecclesiastes chapter seven says, a good name is better than a good ointment.
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  And the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth.
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  It is better to go to a house of mourning than to a house of feasting because that is
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  the end of every man and the living takes it to heart.
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  And then over in second Corinthians chapter four, 16 through 18, therefore we do not
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  lose heart.
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  But though our outer man is decaying yet our inner man is being renewed day by day for
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  momentary light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond
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  all comparison.
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  While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen for
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  the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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  Pastor Andy Woods, Andy Woods Ministries, welcome to Worldly Matters, good to see you,
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  brother.
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  David, it's always a joy to be with you.
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  Thanks for having me.
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  Yeah, thanks.
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  Before we get into the deep topics and the hard news and the other things we're going
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  to talk about, your dad passed away, right around Memorial Day, I mean, I'm sharing these
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  scriptures.
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  My mom died just June 25th.
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  And they're both with the Lord absent from the body, present with the Lord is what I
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  understand.
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  I wanted you to share your thoughts and encourage those who are, because I've heard
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  from a lot of people who have lost a parent and some people lose children and others.
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  But whatever you'd like to share to encourage our viewers.
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  Well, you know, 2024, I sense was going to be different.
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  I just didn't know, you know, now that I'm halfway through it, how different.
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  I mean, I had a cancer scare that I think was rectified through a procedure I had earlier.
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  This year, and as you mentioned, my father passed away the Sunday before Memorial Day.
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  And I guess what the Lord is showing me through this, it relates perfectly to the verse
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  you just shared.
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  It's better to be in the house of mourning than in the house of feasting.
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  You know, when you have these kind of life-altering things, I mean, the Lord has been impressing
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  upon me that I'm not going to be here forever either.
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  And I better start, I mean, I was serious about the Lord before, but now I'm like really
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  serious.
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  You know, whatever I'm supposed to get done, I need to get it done now, because, you
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  know, this things like this show us, I mean, we read it in the Bible, but these life experiences
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  drive it home.
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  That James 4 verse 14, we're just like myths that appears for a little while, and then
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  it's gone.
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  So now more than ever, what God has impressed upon me is to really push myself into eternal
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  things and whatever He wants me to do, I need to start doing it because I'm not going
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  to be around forever.
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  To hear you say that, brother, and knowing you and your ministry over the years, Satan's
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  in trouble when Andy Woods doubles down, and says, I'm going to get serious.
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  Look out.
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  But you know what, we shouldn't we, since we've been born again and saved, have a sense
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  of urgency, and it's so hard to live with that, just teach us to number our days that
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  we might gain hearts of wisdom, Psalm 90 verse 12, having a sense of urgency, being about
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  the Lord's business.
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  And one of the disheartening things from me, Andy, is to see some Christian friends, and
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  when I mean see, I mean, watch what they post on social media about their great leisure
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  and travels and recent purchases and the things, and I'm thinking, wow, the American church
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  is not sending a very good message to the world about the urgency of the gospel.
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  Go ahead and share your thoughts, and we'll move on.
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  Well, as the saying goes, youth is wasted on the young.
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  I mean, the problem with being young is your body is working relatively fine, and you
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  just have a mindset that, oh yeah, God wants me to do this, but I can postpone it, because
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  I can handle it a year from now, or five years from now.
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  And you think that way when you're young, that you're just going to be around forever.
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  But as you get older and as loved ones start to get taken from you, and for example,
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  I mean, in my case, with cancer, and then my knees are not operating as well as they
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  once did, you just start to figure out that, you know, I'm not young, and I'm not going
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  to be here forever.
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  And so these kind of things create a sense of urgency in you, that you didn't have five
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  to ten years ago, and that's really how 2024 is unfolded to me.
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  Okay, so your dad, my mom, will see him in glory.
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  And that's just part of this life is losing a loved one.
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  If you live any length of time, you're going to lose someone close to you.
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  And hopefully, friends, viewers, they know the Lord, hopefully your friends, family.
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  So let's go on to the topic now, as you said, 2024, I'm not going to speculate.
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  I have no idea what's going to happen with the election in November, with Trump, with
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  whoever's going to take Biden's place.
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  I'm kidding.
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  Well, I kind of, I'm not kidding, but let's go to what the courts are doing.
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  And that's what we wanted to talk about since this, we're, we're right in the verge of
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  celebrating the 4th of July in our independence day tomorrow.
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  And there's a lot going on in our country that is absolutely the opposite of what our
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  founders intended and how they established this nation, even with our documents and
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  the constitution.
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  Let's go to one example of religious freedom here, Andy.
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  And that is Jack Phillips is going through the ringer again.
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  This is the third court case in 12 years that he's got to go back to the court and defend
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  his religious freedom.
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  And we know what he's been put through by the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.
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  And then he did win a case and this goes back to 2012.
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  So basically, just your thoughts on this, Andy, and the left is just going to keep on
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  doing this.
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  They're going to try to make examples of people who they deem intolerant, right, of the
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  LGBTQ or whatever.
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  Yeah, the, the, the punishment is the process.
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  So people shouldn't look at, oh, he succeeded, you know, down the road.
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  That's irrelevant.
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  That's never the goal.
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  So we're going to take this guy and we're going to destroy his name, reputation, likeness,
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  image, livelihood, because he dared to speak up against the same sex community.
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  And you know, I mean, basically what they're doing with this guy is they're using the force
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  of law to coerce him to use his creative abilities in a way that goes against his biblical conscience.
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  I mean, it's like going to a Holocaust survivor and using the force of law to demand that
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  they make a floral arrangement for a Nazi rally.
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  I mean, that's the equivalent of what they're doing to this guy.
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  And you know, it's kind of interesting.
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  I haven't seen them go into a Muslim bakery.
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  I was just thinking that you want to, you want to talk about harshness against homosexuality.
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  I mean, for a homosexual in a Muslim country, you get thrown off a building.
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  But you know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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  The enemy is people like us, evangelical, Bible-based Christians, and you know, they're sending
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  it.
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  It's like the mob.
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  They take out a major hit on somebody to say, hey, anybody that goes against us, this
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  is what you can expect.
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  And that's what this mob mentality is doing with this brother in Christ, Jack Phillips.
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  And it's all about promoting an anti-biblical worldview.
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  Yeah.
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  Don't stand in our way.
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  Exactly.
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  And all he did was own a business and operate a business under the guise of the biblical
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  worldview, saying, I believe in God ordained natural marriage between one man and one woman.
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  He didn't say that.
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  But when they came in and tried to get him to make that first cake, the first case for
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  the same sex marriage, he said, no, because he said no.
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  And don't tell me they're on to other bakeries within a couple of miles of there, right?
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  And which most cases, right?
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  But so just for saying no, you have to do it our way, that's, that's tier, that's not
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  tolerant, Andy.
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  Yeah.
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  So the preachers of tolerant hypocrites.
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  Yeah, it's tiering in.
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  And this was Colorado.
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  This was like the Denver area, if I understand it, pretty liberal area.
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  I mean, I think he recommended several others that would accommodate these folks, but
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  they're not, it's like the folks at the lot's house there in Sodom and Gomorrah.
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  I mean, release your two guests, oh, no, take my daughters, oh, because you just suggested
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  something is wrong with us in terms of our sexuality, we're gonna, we're gonna treat
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  you far worse than we were gonna treat your guests.
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  That is essentially what's happening.
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  It's Genesis 19, what's happening to the sky, Phillips, the mere insinuation that something
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  is wrong with their lifestyle, that he wouldn't go along with it, participate in their sin.
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  Their whole agenda is to destroy this man.
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  Yeah.
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  So we were talking about this issue and I pulled out this book off my bookshelf called Judicial
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  Tyranny.
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  It's got a lot of different contributors, Mark Sutherland, James Dobson, Bill Federer,
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  Alan Keys.
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  My goodness, Justice Ray Moore, Rick Scarborough, Phyllis Schlafly, Alan Sears, Matt Staver,
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  and others, but there's a chapter 15 called The Soul of America, written by one of my
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  former guests here, Dr. Rick Scarborough, and he's been a part of Liberty Pastors, which
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  where I met him four years ago, and he said this, and I'll get, let you respond and
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  we'll go on, Andy Woods, he said, I believe the church holds the key to the future in America.
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  Politicians in America will not preserve marriage.
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  Politicians in America will not end abortion.
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  Politicians in America will not reduce crime.
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  Politicians in America will not improve education, will not reverse corruption, will not end
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  immorality, and then he goes on.
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  But the point is, we in the church have not done our job to get the right people, either
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  in office, to do the work locally because we forget, whenever there's a national election
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  in November, we kind of lose sight of the local efforts and races that really do affect
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  your small town or district or county, the local community there, and politics is not
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  the answer.
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  Jesus Christ is the answer.
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  And the church, the church has to get better educated, better informed, and then engage
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  some of these things.
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  Your thoughts, Andy?
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  Well, I'm thinking of Calvin Coolidge, one of our great and forgotten presidents.
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  He made a statement at a Fourth of July celebration about our founders, and he said they got their
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  ideas from listening to the clergy, the colonial clergy.
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  So the pastors were the ones talking about inalienable rights, rights coming from God, you know,
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  and all the founders did is sat and listened to sermons and took those concepts and put
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  them in the form of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
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  So what you're saying there, I think is completely accurate, that it's not the politicians
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  that are going to say America, it's the clergy creating the conscience through preaching
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  on these issues in the politicians that's going to say America, they called them in the
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  day the black robe regimen, and we don't have that right now.
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  Our churches are gravely sadly self-sensoring on all these issues for a lot of different
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  practical reasons, but until the pulpit is rescued in this area and we get back to the
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  full council of God's word, politicians aren't going to say America, it's the clergy creating
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  the conscience for the politicians that are going to say America.
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  Amen.
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  I'm glad you mentioned the black robe regimen.
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  We just don't have that understanding of American history, early American history and how important
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  it was.
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  Who was informing the people?
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  They didn't have the internet, newspapers, media, they didn't have, I don't know, their
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  local Starbucks to run down to and talk to someone at a coffee shop.
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  Maybe they had a few taverns, but they did it at their churches, small town, country churches
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  and the pastors were really talking about what was going on, you know, fighting for freedom,
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  and then they literally went out and fought for freedom.
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  But I want to quote Thomas Jefferson and before I do that, Isaiah 33, 22 says, for the Lord
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  is our judge, the Lord is our law giver, the Lord is our king, he will save us.
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  And Jefferson once said, and this was, I believe in September 28, 1820 in a letter to William
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  Jarvis, he said, you seem to consider the judges as the ultimate
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  arbiters of all constitutional questions, a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which
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  would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.
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  Their power is the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible as
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  other functionaries are to the elective control.
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  And quote, so Andy, we know the president's appoint federal judges and we know the Supreme
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  Court nominations come from the president.
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  So your thoughts on Jefferson's take back then in the 1800s?
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  I love that quote every time I hear it read, like you just read it, it literally sends
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  shivers up my spine because that quote is so patient.
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  I mean, this idea that we're going to assign all constitutional matters to a bunch of people
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  that aren't accountable to us via the ballot box, which is what we have in the federal
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  judiciary.
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  I mean, that's, that's frightening and that's not, that's not the design of the founders
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  at all.
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  In fact, when you go back to Federalist number 78, Federalist paper number 78, which was
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  basically written to convince the folks in New York to ratify the Constitution by explaining
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  it written by Madison, Jay and Hamilton, they say there that the federal, the judicial
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  branch of government is the least dangerous branch because they always anticipated that
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  judges would follow the text of the Constitution and not make things up, you know, legislate
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  from the bench as they're adjudicating matters.
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  So what has happened over time is they've turned into sort of a constitutional convention
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  where Roe versus Wade or whatever, they can just rewrite the document and this separation
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  of church and state, whatever issue you want to talk about.
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  All of these evils have come into our culture through the fabric of the judiciary and we,
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  the American people can do virtually nothing about it because we don't vote for jurists.
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  And the Federalist papers also talk about how once you unite, you mentioned Isaiah 3322,
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  the three ways, political power manifests itself, legislatively, executively and judicially.
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  And the only person that should have those offices combined in them is the person of
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  Jesus Christ who doesn't have a sin nature.
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  Until then, we need to keep those branches separate.
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  And the Federalist papers say, once you start to merge those branches, like you're talking
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  about here with the judiciary, once you turn the judiciary into a legislator, that they
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  say is the very definition of tyranny.
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  And that's why we're moving in the direction we're moving in Jefferson in the quote, you
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  gave earlier called it a oligarchy, oligoths in Greek means few, it's ruled by a few.
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  And that's what happens when you have an overactive, legislative, making judiciary that's
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  not accountable to you.
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  We have to take a brief pause with Dr. Andy Woods.
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  By the way, if you want to check out his pastor's point of view that's excellent comes out
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  So another article I wanted to get your take on, Andy, a Supreme Court tossed a case
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  that would have prevented government from coercing social media to censor people.
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  And you know this is an election year, you know it's happening already.
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  And you know it's going to happen and in a six to three decision, which is sad, including
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  all the liberal leftist judges, as well as Kavanaugh and Barrett, they sided with majority
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  and they tossed this case that would have prevented the government, government collusion
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  with big tech to censor people's speech.
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  And I believe it was Glenn Beck, who said the Supreme Court ruled that practically the
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  government can continue pressuring social media companies to censor Americans.
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  This is an absolute gut punch.
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  Your thoughts, because they're already, they've been censoring us, they already are.
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  And here we go, they tossed this case.
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  Well, it's astounding.
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  I mean, when I first heard of the government telling social media what narrative they
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  could promote and to censor everything else, that's coming as policy by the way.
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  Yeah, I agree with all the conservative commentators said the first amendment just died.
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  And if the Supreme Court's not going to take this one up and defend our constitution, according
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  to its original intent, I don't know if they'll ever do anything good ever again.
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  Because this was a classic opportunity to stand for the first amendment, which they
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  just rejected.
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  The only highlight in that whole thing is reading Alito's dissent, just a couple of words
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  from it.
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  He says, officials who read today's decision together with another case, Bulu, will get
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  the message.
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  If a coercive campaign is carried out with enough sophistication, it may get by.
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  This is not a message that this court should send.
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  So Alito basically is saying there, this is classic censorship.
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  It's just in the skies a little bit.
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  So censorship is okay as long as the government is sort of sneaky and how it does it in terms
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  of not being overt, passing some kind of law, but putting pressure on these big tech companies
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  to censor anything that's outside the government narrative.
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  So as far as I'm concerned, David, unless the government corrects this, the first amendment
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  is not even worth the paper it's written on.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, this is going to affect us all who are trying to speak the truth and be vocal and
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  that's not always popular and often goes against the left, the Marxists, the government.
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  It's interesting.
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  We've strayed so far, Andy.
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  We've just got five minutes left.
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  But here we're celebrating our independence and our independence seems to look a little
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  different every year, doesn't it?
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  It's like, oh, my goodness, now we feel like, you know, we're backed up against the wall.
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  I want to go back to a quote by Noah Webster, who said the Bible is the chief moral cause
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  of all that is good and the best corrector of all that is evil in human society.
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  The best book for regulating the temporal, secular concerns of men.
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  And I think there's another quote someone said, if men were angels, we wouldn't have
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  to worry about the laws and keeping the Constitution, but men are not.
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  We are not.
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  And another, I think it was Garfield that talked about the Constitution was made for
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  a moral and religious people.
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  And go ahead, your thoughts.
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  I'll let you.
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  You're the guest.
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  Well, yeah, the Fed, what you're quoting there is Federalist number 51.
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  I think it was Madison that said, look, if we were all angels, we wouldn't need limited
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  government.
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  But the great difficulty is that the people running the government have the same sin nature
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  as the rest of us.
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  So we've got to make the government powerful enough to curb the sin, appetites and people,
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  but weak enough so it doesn't run into tyranny because those that run the government have
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  the same sin nature as those being governed.
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  And so that's why our founders with that worldview came up with a beautiful arrangement
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  that we've been talking a little bit about here, you know, the separation of powers.
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  And if that structure ever disappears, we will be into full-fledged tyranny.
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  And so these quotes that you're surfacing from Jefferson, you know, warning about an overactive
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  judiciary, they're patient because those are the struggles that we're facing right now.
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  Because our society, you know, literally hangs in the balance.
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  And the only remedy for it is a biblical understanding.
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  Second Corinthians 3 verse 17 says, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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  And that's why these leftists hate the Bible.
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  It's kind of funny.
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  First they say the Bible is just fairy tale.
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  Well, if it's just a fairy tale, why are you trying to illegalize it?
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  You don't illegalize Peter Pan.
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  They're very fearful of the Bible because they know that the Bible naturally produces a
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  mindset of liberty, which tyrants hate.
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  Yeah.
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  If it's not effective, it's not true.
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  It's not powerful.
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  Why ban it?
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  And why be so against it?
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  One more quote since you mentioned the separation of powers.
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  And we've got three minutes left, Alexander Hamilton, the Federalist 78.
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  The judiciary is beyond comparison, the weakest of the three departments of power.
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  And the general liberty of the people can never be endangered from that quarter.
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  Well, Andy, again, our founders and those who fought so hard for this country and for
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  the Constitution and for liberty, they would be astounded at what we, the people have
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  allowed today.
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  And I think about that quote, what have you been given, a republic, if you can keep it?
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  What do we have?
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  A republic.
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  Go ahead.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, what he said there, number 78 was assuming, he was just assuming that the judges were
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  going to follow the literal grammatical, historical, contextual method of interpretation,
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  take the founders original vision and apply it to whatever case happened to be before
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  them.
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  Now, that was pre-Darwin, because Darwin came along in 1859 and said, man is ascending,
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  the ascent of man through evolution.
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  Well, if that's true, then we can't be bound by an 18th century Constitution.
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  So it has to evolve with man.
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  And the judges said, we'll be the ones that evolve it.
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  And they circumvented the amendment process, which places the power in the hands of the
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  people.
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  And they became sort of every time they meet, it's like a new constitutional convention.
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  And as we expressed earlier, that's the definition of tyranny, because you're placing the power
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  to change the Constitution in the hands of people that you don't elect or vote for.
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  And that's why all of these terrible cultural issues that we're facing, abortion, all of
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  these things have come into our culture through the fabric of the judiciary.
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  And so these are the things that we need to think about on Independence Day and how we
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  get back to the original vision of the founders.
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  Yes.
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  And just what happened with that horrific case in the early 70s, Roe v. Wade and how
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  that changed everything as far as legalizing abortion and the mentality of people.
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  So Andy, we're fighting for our freedom.
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  I think we haven't fought as hard as we could.
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  I think more people are waking up.
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  How would you encourage the average person before we run out of time?
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  We've just got 30 seconds left.
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  Well, I would encourage him to pray for the government.
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  I would encourage him to read constantly, you know, the stuff that you put out.
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  You always give wonderful sources for people to read.
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  I would encourage him to vote.
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  Amen.
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  The statistics there are terrible.
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  We can't even get the evangelical church out the boat.
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  Yeah.
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  Just think of the power we could wield if we got everybody on the same page to vote.
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  And then the last thing I would encourage people to do is run for office, run for city
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  council, run for some office because that's a divine calling.
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  It's like standing behind a pulpit as a divine calling.
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  So there's a lot of things we can do to get the salt out of the salt shaker so we can
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  be salt and light to the culture.
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  Amen, brother.
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  And by the way, he told me he's working on a new book, friends.
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  I can't wait.
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  One of these times, we'll talk more about it.
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  Andy Woods, God bless you, sir.
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  Thank you so much for all you do.
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  Hey, thanks for having me, David.
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  Joy to be here.
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  Friends, God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.