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UK Column News — 17th August 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Monday, seventeenth of August twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. You're watching UK column News. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Ben Rubin and I'm delighted to be joined
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Speaker 1: in the studio today by miss Brian Gerrish. I Brian,
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Speaker 1: pleasure to be here, always a pleasure to be here.
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Speaker 1: And we're delighted to be joined by a video link
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Speaker 1: by doctor Ann McCluskey, who will be speaking to us
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Speaker 1: from Derry in Northern Ireland. And we've got a huge
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Speaker 1: show today, almost difficult to fit it all in, but
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Speaker 1: we're going to give it a good show. We are
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Speaker 1: reaching the crescendo of the psychological operations around climate change
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Speaker 1: and you will no doubt be hearing a lot more
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Speaker 1: about that overcoming weeks. Is this thing gathers pace. In
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Speaker 1: my view, this amounts to terror tactics actually that are
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Speaker 1: being deployed by the state against Theritish people, and there
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Speaker 1: are threats of press clampdowns on dissent against the prevailing
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Speaker 1: establishment narrative. We'll be looking at the proposed great transition
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Speaker 1: to a new economic and political system and what's behind that.
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Speaker 1: We'll be exploring the current state of play in Ukraine
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Speaker 1: as the war ramps up with much heavier involvement from
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Speaker 1: the UK. We'll be looking at assets seizure by the
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Speaker 1: state in Northern Ireland and that's what Dr McClusky will
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Speaker 1: be talking to us about in particular. And we're going
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Speaker 1: to kick things off by looking at the tragic death
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Speaker 1: last week of the former Cambridge academic Jason our Day.
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Speaker 1: Will draw your attention to this report from the Telegraph
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Speaker 1: which describes Jason I. Day being found dead at his
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Speaker 1: home in Battersea by police in South London on Friday afternoon.
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Speaker 1: He was later pronounced dead at the after being found unresponsive.
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Speaker 1: And this comes after weeks of coverage of the former
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Speaker 1: Cambridge professor, amongst accusations of plagiarism, misrepresentations about his personal
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Speaker 1: history and a whole litany of things that would actually
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Speaker 1: probably take us the entire hour to go through. An
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Speaker 1: enormous storm of controversy raging around this individual, and the
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Speaker 1: consequence of which is that he has very sadly taken
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Speaker 1: his own life. This is an issue of national importance,
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Speaker 1: certainly has the attention of the Prime Minister Andy Burnham,
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Speaker 1: who came out to talk to the BBC saying that
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Speaker 1: this is a tragedy on so many levels, and he
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Speaker 1: called for a moment of reflection in the country. There's
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Speaker 1: been a huge criticism and I would say a lot
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Speaker 1: of it warranted about the volume of articles being published
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Speaker 1: about this individual over the past few weeks. You can
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Speaker 1: see here this Instagram post from Miss Ann Harriman himself,
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Speaker 1: someone who has had run ins with press over the
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Speaker 1: past few months, highlighting that The Telegraph alone had published
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Speaker 1: tens and tens of articles about mister Ardai, The Times,
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Speaker 1: the Independent Guardian had followed a similar trajectory.
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Speaker 2: Feeding.
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely a feeding frenzy. I think that's very fair
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Speaker 1: to say. He's clearly come under immense pressure and unfortunately
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Speaker 1: has decided to take his own life as a consequence
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Speaker 1: of this. A fundraiser has been launched for his family.
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Speaker 1: It's already raised over one hundred and ten thousand pounds
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Speaker 1: and is continuing to take donations as we speak. Now,
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Speaker 1: as I've said already, this is clearly a tragedy, but
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Speaker 1: I'm going to need you to hold a few things
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Speaker 1: as true in your mind that are being presented to
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Speaker 1: us as conflicting with each other, when actually they aren't so.
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Speaker 1: I believe Jason Arday was unfairly handed by the press.
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Speaker 1: I believe it's a tragedy that his life has ended
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Speaker 1: in these circumstances. But he's also entirely responsible for his
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Speaker 1: own actions. He's responsible for his own suicide, He's responsible
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Speaker 1: for the issues that led to him being removed from
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Speaker 1: his position in Cambridge University. And actually, in many ways
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Speaker 1: I see him as a victim of a system that
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Speaker 1: has been set up to ultimately deliver this exact kind
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Speaker 1: of outcome. Now, Brian, Diane Rasmussen and I sat down
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Speaker 1: last week before news of his death was released. I
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Speaker 1: think we recorded this on Thursday to have a discussion
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Speaker 1: about what we saw happening here, which will give you
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Speaker 1: a little bit of additional insight into our view on
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Speaker 1: the ferraua surrounding mister our Day.
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Speaker 3: Center. This dissertation was the same sentences and passages as
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Speaker 3: other work, and that's been shown. These reports have shown
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Speaker 3: up all over social media and over the Internet in
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Speaker 3: the past few days, and so that twenty fifteen, when
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Speaker 3: he supposedly earned his PhD, he has a very weak
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Speaker 3: publication record, certainly not at the level that we would
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Speaker 3: expect to see someone appointed to be professor and how
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Speaker 3: he got to be professor and share of sociology of education.
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Speaker 3: It was such a short academic record and with very
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Speaker 3: little credentials behind him. It's actually very difficult for those
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Speaker 3: of us who did earn it, and called into question
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Speaker 3: a lot of things about the entire university system in general.
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Speaker 2: So you've also seen this on the American side of
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Speaker 2: the pond. We're now here in the UK. It's happening here.
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Speaker 2: So this isn't some isolated thing that's sort of hit
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Speaker 2: onto Cambridge University. This is something that's come as a
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Speaker 2: flood across the whole of the university, academic and higher
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Speaker 2: education system.
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Speaker 1: In this kind of neo communist new speak, equity means
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Speaker 1: equal outcomes for everyone, right, So he would have been
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Speaker 1: hired on a DEI agenda diversity, equity and inclusion, which
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Speaker 1: means they want to deliver equal outcomes regardless of of
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Speaker 1: capability or suitability for the position.
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Speaker 4: He said that.
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Speaker 2: We might actually say that mister our Day has actually
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Speaker 2: been used as a useful idiot.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yea, to some extent, he has a pawn in this. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would agree with that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he wouldn't have got to where he got to
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Speaker 3: if it hadn't been various elements along the way that
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Speaker 3: elevated him to that stage.
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Speaker 2: I just say to the audience, reinforced the fact that
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Speaker 2: at the time that we we had that discussion, we
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Speaker 2: had no idea what was coming. But in our own
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Speaker 2: minds there were two things going on. Of course, what
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Speaker 2: Astra our Day had done and claimed, there seems to
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Speaker 2: be huge irregularities in that. But Diane's point is a
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Speaker 2: very powerful point that he could not possibly have got
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Speaker 2: to the position that he got into without help from
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Speaker 2: within the establishment. And then in our conversation, and you
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Speaker 2: really picked up on this, Ben, we came to the
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Speaker 2: conclusion that we are looking at an attack on people's
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Speaker 2: minds through the academic system, through the university system, and
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Speaker 2: this agenda is so potent, is so powerful, it will
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Speaker 2: use anybody it can to help facilitate it. So in
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Speaker 2: this case, point Ben's making is that whilst we can
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Speaker 2: look at Jason our Day and say he did some
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Speaker 2: things which were not very clever, which were reprehensible, nevertheless
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Speaker 2: he was still taken on board by a system and
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Speaker 2: used by that system for its overall agenda. Which of
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Speaker 2: course is the version of young minds. So this is
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Speaker 2: not only tragic, We're now seeing the real battle unfold
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Speaker 2: in this country, psychological operation by the state itself, including academia.
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Speaker 1: It certainly is yes, and he is he is a
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Speaker 1: pawn in that game, and he was used in his
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Speaker 1: life and he's going He's cost him his life and
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Speaker 1: he's going to he's going to continue to be used
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Speaker 1: in this capacity and his death as well, because this
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Speaker 1: isn't going anywhere. And actually this is going to be
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Speaker 1: the pretext for a whole bunch of additional crackdowands. I
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Speaker 1: believe on free speeches we're going to get into now.
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Speaker 1: So it's already become a political even more of a
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Speaker 1: political football over the weekend. So we can see here
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Speaker 1: this is Sadiq Khan, the co chair of Sea forty
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Speaker 1: Cities and also the Mayor of London, so that he's
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Speaker 1: devastated for the family and friends of Jason Oar day
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Speaker 1: he faced an unacceptable public handing and campaign of abuse.
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Speaker 1: Any Londoners will be angry and upset this evening. Arde
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Speaker 1: was the victim of a pernicious public shaming that other
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Speaker 1: people in his position simply wouldn't have faced that's debatable,
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Speaker 1: and his death was a tragedy, but once again it
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Speaker 1: should be a wake up call for all of us. Now,
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Speaker 1: this tweet was actually referenced by Dawn Butler, the MP
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Speaker 1: for Brent East, in this letter which she has sent
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Speaker 1: over the weekend to the chief executive of IPSO, the
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Speaker 1: Independent Press Standards Organization. Now'll just draw your attention to
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Speaker 1: this section down the bostom rather important, which says, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you'll receive many complaints about the coverage of Jason,
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Speaker 1: but this goes far beyond the standard complaints process. A
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Speaker 1: man has tragically taken his own life following what many
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Speaker 1: regard as one of the most sustaining and extensively documented
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Speaker 1: harassment campaigns against a black capital b public figure in
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Speaker 1: recent years. Many of us believe that Jason would still
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Speaker 1: be alive today if not for the relentless and pernicious
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Speaker 1: coverage by The Times, telegraph Man and spectators the name
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Speaker 1: of Hugh Surely at this moment every lever available to
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Speaker 1: whips I must be used. And she then goes to say,
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Speaker 1: look forward to hearing from you shortly about what measures
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Speaker 1: you will be taking in response. And I believe that
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Speaker 1: this is heading straight towards a clampdown on freedom of
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Speaker 1: the press, further clamp down and freedom of the press,
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Speaker 1: perhaps even to the extent where it will become unacceptable,
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Speaker 1: perhaps illegal, to criticize people in positions of public office
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Speaker 1: because someone says that it might be a little bit unfair.
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Speaker 1: Are you're being a bit nasty to them? So we're
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Speaker 1: heading to it is incredible.
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Speaker 2: But what has happened and seeing this letter should take
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Speaker 2: people's minds back to Lord Levison when he was looking
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Speaker 2: at this whole issue of the press and press freedoms,
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Speaker 2: and of course what had kicked all of that off, Well,
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Speaker 2: the press had supposedly been hacking into people's phones and
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Speaker 2: this had caused huge damage. And then up came the
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Speaker 2: of the investigation we had full fact appearing as a
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Speaker 2: so called arbitrary of arbitrary body of factual information. And
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Speaker 2: ever since then we've consider continued to see the press
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Speaker 2: and the media use for a political agenda at the
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Speaker 2: same time as there's a crackdown on free speech for
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Speaker 2: everybody else. Yes, so this seems very much in the
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Speaker 2: same mold.
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Speaker 1: He certainly does, certainly does. And of course you've got
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Speaker 1: a clip here about Paul Dacre talking about restrictions on
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Speaker 1: the Prince.
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Speaker 2: Acre, former editor in chief of The Daily Mail. We
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Speaker 2: were in contact with mister Daker at the time of
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Speaker 2: the Levison review and we warned Paul Dacre that essentially
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Speaker 2: there was a team ganging up on him through the
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Speaker 2: Common Purpose political charity network. He responded to our letter
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Speaker 2: with a thank you. It then went quiet, and about
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Speaker 2: six weeks later, to our astonishment, the Daily well it
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Speaker 2: was the Saturday Mail, published ten full pages exposing Common Purpose,
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Speaker 2: But the thing is ben that Paul Daker and his
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Speaker 2: team never followed through. They never kept there investigation going.
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Speaker 2: And then of course we saw that when Paul Daker
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Speaker 2: was lined up to take on the post of head
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Speaker 2: of head of DMG, thank you very much. We now
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Speaker 2: see a pushback in the media against him because he's
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Speaker 2: been unfair to mister Our Day. So there's a lot
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Speaker 2: moving at the moment, but it does seem very clear
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Speaker 2: that there's an effort to silence the press if they're
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Speaker 2: not following the total political line. And we've got a
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Speaker 2: little video clip here where Paul Dacre is is clearly
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Speaker 2: not very happy even though he's won his case, or
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Speaker 2: the papers won its case against hard that's some look
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Speaker 2: at the clip.
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Speaker 5: Prince Harry wrote a sad book which boasted about his
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Speaker 5: killing of twenty five Taliban, his drug taking, and in
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Speaker 5: cringe making detail, how he lost his virginity. There isn't
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Speaker 5: a laundry in the cosmos big enough to wash all
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Speaker 5: the dirty linen he has aired about his own family.
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Speaker 5: For him to complain about his privacy being invaded takes
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Speaker 5: not just the biscuit, but the whole tin. Poor Harry.
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Speaker 5: I feel sorry for the way a confused and angry
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Speaker 5: young man has been drawn into this case. The bitter
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Speaker 5: irony is that his mother, Diana liked the male. We
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Speaker 5: were her paper, We took her side in her acrimonious
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Speaker 5: breakup with Charles. She and I would speak and meet
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Speaker 5: the male's superb royal reporter was her friend and confidante.
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Speaker 5: The truth is that this trumpet up action, which has
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Speaker 5: cost well over fifty million pounds and wasted a huge
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Speaker 5: amount of valuable court time, should never have been brought
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Speaker 5: to trial.
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Speaker 2: So what we can now see is huge turbulence in
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Speaker 2: the media. And I have no doubt that a lot
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Speaker 2: of the editors of the papers do not know everything
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Speaker 2: that's going on. They think they know what's happening around them,
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Speaker 2: but actual fat their knowledge is very limited. And so
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Speaker 2: we are going to see, my view, greater use of
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Speaker 2: the press and the media for the government line state
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Speaker 2: controlled media, and anybody who dares challenge it, there's going
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Speaker 2: to be a greater pushback. And in fact, the Guardian's
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Speaker 2: name has come up a couple of times in recent
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Speaker 2: conversations where it's been suggested to the UK column that
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Speaker 2: the Guardian is working at the moment to investigate the
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Speaker 2: dangers of alternative media. Whether that it's true or not,
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Speaker 2: we will see in the coming days and weeks.
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Speaker 1: Well, yes, maybe we should investigate the dangers of the
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Speaker 1: Guardian being controlled by tortoise media, but then that's a
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Speaker 1: different discussion to have now. Obviously, all of this is
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Speaker 1: coming in an atmosphere which has been increasingly racialized over
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Speaker 1: the past few decades now actually, but I think it
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Speaker 1: was important to point out some of the commentary coming
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Speaker 1: in from the likes of Humza Yusuf, the former First
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Speaker 1: Minute of Scotland and leader of the Scottish National Party,
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Speaker 1: saying that a man has died his two children would
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Speaker 1: grow up without their father. Jason made mistakes and resigned.
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Speaker 1: A result. What followed was the predictable onslaught by particular
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Speaker 1: sections of the media. When he appealed for calm, they
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Speaker 1: continued to hand him and we all know why. Shameful. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's just remind ourselves of hums the Yusuf's thoughts about
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Speaker 1: white people in positions of parents Scotland.
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Speaker 6: Of the meetings I go to, I'm the only non
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Speaker 6: white person in the room. But why are we so
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Speaker 6: surprised when the most senior positions in Scotland are filled
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Speaker 6: almost exclusively by those who are white. Take my portfolio alone.
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Speaker 6: The Lord President white, the Lord Justice Clerk white, every
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Speaker 6: High Court judge white, the Lord Advocate white, this Listener
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Speaker 6: General white, the Chief Constable white, every Deputy Chief Constable white,
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Speaker 6: every Assistant Chief Constable white. The head of the Law
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Speaker 6: Society white, the head of the Faculty of Advocates white,
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Speaker 6: every prison governor white, and not just justice. The Chief
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Speaker 6: medical Officer white, the Chief nursing Officer white, the Chief
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Speaker 6: Veterinary Officer white, the Chief Social work Advisor white. Almost
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Speaker 6: every trade union in this country headed by people who
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Speaker 6: are white. In the Scottish government. Every director general is white,
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Speaker 6: every chair of every public body is white. That is
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Speaker 6: not good.
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Speaker 1: Enough, just not good enough. Well, we must put people
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Speaker 1: into positions of authority to raise these awful white representatives
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Speaker 1: from our society. And unfortunately Jason A. Day was absolutely
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Speaker 1: caught up in this whole program and it's not going anywhere.
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely at the forefront. And I just wanted to
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Speaker 1: show you this brief clip from Ireland which popped up
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Speaker 1: last week with a Nigerian lady called Evan Joseph who
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Speaker 1: is absolutely pushing forward the cultural, political and economic transformation
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Speaker 1: of Ireland. Let's take a look.
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Speaker 7: We've had everything. We've talked on everything from belonging, identity, masculinity,
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Speaker 7: and we've talked about the labor market.
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Speaker 1: We've all talked about children. We've done all.
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Speaker 7: Of that because it was a solution series bot tonight
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Speaker 7: we asked one of the biggest questions is what we're
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Speaker 7: trying to ask today because I think today is reimagining Ireland.
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Speaker 7: Who decides but every generation inherits a country like if
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Speaker 7: you look at Island today twenty six, this is not
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Speaker 7: the island that we wear nineteen ninety six and it's
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Speaker 7: not the island that it was one hundred. So we
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Speaker 7: inherit a country and we redefine it, we redesign it,
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Speaker 7: and unfortunately, I think what happens is that most times
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Speaker 7: we definitely don't know we are redesigning, we are recreating,
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Speaker 7: we are creating things. And I hope that my hope
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Speaker 7: is that we can consciously recreate the island we want
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Speaker 7: to see in twenty years time when we can look
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Speaker 7: back and we can say we're happy about Ireland.
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Speaker 2: So island is going to be completely reimagined, is why?
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Speaker 2: And say, boy, newcomer, Island is to be completely reimagined
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Speaker 2: and changed in order to meet this political agenda.
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Speaker 1: It certainly is. Yes, Apparently that woman is inherited Ireland
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Speaker 1: and now needs to recreate it, recing, re engineering in
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Speaker 1: her mindset, and so that in twenty years we can
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Speaker 1: look back and think that we're happy with Ireland, because
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Speaker 1: obviously we're not happy with Ireland now because it's one
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Speaker 1: of Irish people. I guess you know, that strikes me
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Speaker 1: that that's the tone of that speech. He was that
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Speaker 1: that was eband Joseph, who is actually an official in
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Speaker 1: the Irish government. So she's the Special Rapperteur for Race.
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Speaker 1: It was appointed in twenty twenty four. She's urging anti
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Speaker 1: racism education as being mandatory for all and this was
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Speaker 1: obviously very neatly where Jason Arday fits. So you know,
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Speaker 1: when we talk about him being part of a much
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Speaker 1: larger agenda than this is exactly what we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: As I mentioned last week, I spoke to US professor
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Speaker 1: David Barnheiser about this issue of the destruction of the
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Speaker 1: Western university system. I'll just give flag it up again.
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Speaker 1: It's a really good interview talking about Claudine Gay at Harvard,
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Speaker 1: since she's exactly the same thing as we're seeing here.
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Speaker 1: And also just wanted to point out the treatment of
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Speaker 1: James Watson, who was the pioneering scientist Nobel Prize winner
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Speaker 1: who discovered the double helix structure of DNA, who towards
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Speaker 1: the end of his life was cast out of the
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Speaker 1: academic community, had all of his official titles removed from him,
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Speaker 1: essentially completely ostracized because of his views that genetics has
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Speaker 1: a direct impact on intelligence and IQ levels, which I
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Speaker 1: think is in my experience, is fair to say.
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Speaker 2: So he was handed by the establishment.
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Speaker 1: Certainly was yes exactly, despite having won a Nobel Prize
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Speaker 1: and being one of the most successful scientists of his generation.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, an extraordinary series of events, and no doubt
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Speaker 1: this argument about race and equity and the transformation of
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Speaker 1: our society is going absolutely nowhere.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Ben. So whilst we've got really
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Speaker 2: dire things taking place inside the country, of course, what
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Speaker 2: is UK up to, Well, it's doing everything it can,
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Speaker 2: not only to ferment war with Russia, to keep the
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Speaker 2: Ukraine war going. So the Daily Telegraph here black humor.
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Speaker 2: This article made me laugh because it's so ridiculous when
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Speaker 2: you see how the thing has been framed. The headline
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Speaker 2: is Russia's secret bases threatened NATO. So this is absolutely
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Speaker 2: more fear for the UK public and people I talk to,
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Speaker 2: some of them are fearful about what's happening and the
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Speaker 2: possibility of a war with Russia. But the Telegraph here
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Speaker 2: ramping it up. And what are they talking about with
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Speaker 2: their forensic story. Well, let's keep it really simple. What
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Speaker 2: they're saying is that Russia has installed secret bases capable
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Speaker 2: of firing high powered drones deep into NATO territory. Because
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Speaker 2: the base is not so secret because here is the
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Speaker 2: paper talking about them. But it all adds up to
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Speaker 2: the James Bond type mystique that the Russians are constantly
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Speaker 2: lining up to attack this country? Are they and do
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Speaker 2: they have reason perhaps to be looking with great concern
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Speaker 2: at the West. Well, if we follow the story through,
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Speaker 2: we've got the Guardian here. Now you might not notice
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Speaker 2: the real news because, of course most of the front
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Speaker 2: page of the Guardian here is advert and a picture
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Speaker 2: of an athlete winning. But you should be concentrating down here.
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Speaker 2: This is the headline keev sends huge wave of drones
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Speaker 2: to it Russia. And if we get into that article itself,
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Speaker 2: it says that Ukraine has launched one of its largest
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Speaker 2: drone attacks since the start of the war, causing a
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Speaker 2: fire at a distribution warehouse near Moscow. Now, the attacks
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Speaker 2: did actually cause other damage, particularly to some oil refineries
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Speaker 2: and other targets within Russia itself. But what's the real story. Well,
23:02
Speaker 2: the real story is that we the United Kingdom, our
23:06
Speaker 2: government at least, is behind this. So here's the BBC headline,
23:10
Speaker 2: which now really starts to tell us what's going on.
23:14
Speaker 2: UK made drones strike targets inside Russia. So the BBC
23:20
Speaker 2: not only crowing that UK made drones of striking targets
23:24
Speaker 2: inside Russia. They're writing articles along with other UK press
23:29
Speaker 2: and media crowing about the number of Russians that have
23:32
Speaker 2: been killed by these attacks. So the reality is that
23:36
Speaker 2: UK is attacking Russian soil, killing Russians. It's doing it
23:41
Speaker 2: through the medium of Ukrainium armed forces. But of course
23:45
Speaker 2: we also know that UK military personnel are acting as
23:49
Speaker 2: advisors for those very drone attacks. Now this information is
23:55
Speaker 2: reinforced by reports from Ukrainian sources themselves, the Kiev Independent
24:00
Speaker 2: saying Ukraine begins using British drones to strike targets deep
24:04
Speaker 2: within Russia, and that's come back from a report from
24:08
Speaker 2: the Times. But this is accurate reporting. So we the
24:12
Speaker 2: United Kingdom present government Andy Burnham are intent on killing Russians.
24:19
Speaker 2: They don't care what the consequences. Is very very dangerous
24:22
Speaker 2: times and if we summarize a little bit about what's
24:26
Speaker 2: going on or take you through this, Ukraine has launched
24:29
Speaker 2: over the last few weeks thousands and thousands of drones
24:34
Speaker 2: attacking Russian oil refineries, in particular, military infrastructure, some weapons dumps,
24:41
Speaker 2: but they've also started to attack Russian ships in the
24:44
Speaker 2: Black Sea and the Sea of asof now, Russian air
24:48
Speaker 2: defenses have been particularly effective in destroying the bulk of
24:51
Speaker 2: these raids, So if hundreds of drones were launched, it's
24:55
Speaker 2: only a relative view that have got through. This is
24:58
Speaker 2: the reality of the Russian air defense systems. Russian has
25:03
Speaker 2: responded with its own huge and devastating attack on the
25:06
Speaker 2: Ukrainian military infrastructure using missiles and drones. They've attacked military infrastructure, logistics,
25:15
Speaker 2: fuel distribution. Sorry, Russia has responded with a huge and
25:19
Speaker 2: devastating attack on the Ukrainian military infrastructure. They've destroyed, amongst
25:26
Speaker 2: other things, two hundred plus petrol stations. And this is
25:29
Speaker 2: the Russians actually working to stop fuel getting to the
25:33
Speaker 2: Ukrainian frontline troops. And this is turning out to be
25:37
Speaker 2: very effective. And in the eastern Ukraine there's large parts
25:41
Speaker 2: of the country without any petrol stations to serve normal
25:45
Speaker 2: civilian population needs. Ukraine's air defenses have largely been ineffective
25:50
Speaker 2: against the Russians missiles and their new drones. But also
25:55
Speaker 2: of course Ukraine now has a shortage of the Patriot
25:58
Speaker 2: missile systems after the US and the West have refused
26:02
Speaker 2: resupply due to their own shortages. So if we just
26:07
Speaker 2: bring this on as a if we like a key point.
26:11
Speaker 2: In response to those Ukrainian attacks, Russia's also targeted Ukrainian
26:16
Speaker 2: shipping in the port of Odessa and ships in the
26:19
Speaker 2: Black Sea, largely destroying Ukraine's ability to export grain. So,
26:26
Speaker 2: combined with the extensive Russian damage to Ukraine's energy infrastructure
26:31
Speaker 2: and the major manufacturing plants, Ukraine's economy is now struggling.
26:36
Speaker 2: And if you want proof that what uk column is
26:39
Speaker 2: saying is true, we can see in what is clearly
26:44
Speaker 2: biased Western media bringing the Guardian up. Even the Guardian
26:48
Speaker 2: has had to admit that there was a credible report
26:52
Speaker 2: that Ukraine at one point had offered Russia a deal
26:57
Speaker 2: if they would halt the attacks on its grain ship
27:00
Speaker 2: in the Black Sea. So all of this has actually
27:03
Speaker 2: been predicated by West support for the war and the
27:08
Speaker 2: fact that we're piling in weapons andnitions in order to
27:12
Speaker 2: keep this war going. Now I'm going to switch to
27:16
Speaker 2: Nigel Frage and why am I doing this because some
27:20
Speaker 2: time ago Nigel Farrage was speaking out and indeed warning
27:25
Speaker 2: that there was war coming in Ukraine. Let's hear what
27:28
Speaker 2: he actually had to say.
27:31
Speaker 8: When Vladimir Putin Cinti's troops across the border in twenty
27:35
Speaker 8: two You blame the West, not him, you said, I'll
27:38
Speaker 8: just read it to you and then you can react
27:41
Speaker 8: that on a tweet. It was a consequence of EU
27:45
Speaker 8: and NATO expansions.
27:46
Speaker 9: Yeah, a judgment, you stand by, right. I'll tell you
27:48
Speaker 9: what you don't know. I stood up in the European
27:51
Speaker 9: Parliament in twenty fourteen and I said, and I quote,
27:55
Speaker 9: there will be a war in Ukraine. Why did I
27:59
Speaker 9: say that? It was obvious to me that the ever
28:02
Speaker 9: eastward expansion of NATO and the European Union was giving
28:06
Speaker 9: this man a reason to his Russian people to say
28:10
Speaker 9: they're coming for us again and to go to war.
28:13
Speaker 9: But you were echoing him. I was sorry, you were
28:15
Speaker 9: echoing him. That's what po No. No, I know. Sorry,
28:19
Speaker 9: I've been saying this actually is actually since the nineteen nineties,
28:23
Speaker 9: ever since, ever since. But hang on a second. We've
28:27
Speaker 9: provoked this war. It's you know, of course it's his fault.
28:31
Speaker 8: He's used what but we provoked the invasion and.
28:33
Speaker 9: Very interestingly, once again ten years ago, when I predicted this,
28:36
Speaker 9: by the way, I'm the only person in British politics
28:39
Speaker 9: that predicted what would happen, and of course everyone said
28:42
Speaker 9: I was a pariah for daring to suggest it. George Robertson,
28:45
Speaker 9: former Labor Cabinet minister who went on to become the
28:48
Speaker 9: Secretary General of NATO, has in the last couple of
28:52
Speaker 9: weeks said the war is a direct result of EU expansion.
29:00
Speaker 2: Jille Frage absolutely on point here. But the really sad
29:03
Speaker 2: thing is he didn't stay on message because what happened
29:06
Speaker 2: was a phenomenal media backlash and attack on him. This
29:10
Speaker 2: is just part of it. We pop this on screen.
29:12
Speaker 2: This is the BBC Farage defends Ukrainian war remarks after backlash.
29:18
Speaker 2: But eventually, when the heat became too much, Farage simply
29:24
Speaker 2: went quiet. So what we'll say is, instead of holding
29:27
Speaker 2: his ground on the reality of the war in Ukraine,
29:31
Speaker 2: Farage became silent, and other subjects which could lure public
29:35
Speaker 2: opinion in his direction with less pushback, became popular. Now
29:40
Speaker 2: what are we talking about. Let's look at one and
29:43
Speaker 2: William will just show a few seconds of this clip.
29:46
Speaker 2: But here is Nigel Ffarrage on one of his safer topics.
29:51
Speaker 9: It is I think the biggest issue in our national
29:53
Speaker 9: lives that is reported on, spoken about and debated around
29:59
Speaker 9: the least. It is the area of law and order.
30:03
Speaker 9: We did our best last year in an August campaign
30:06
Speaker 9: to try and raise the salience of the issue. It
30:09
Speaker 9: is quite astonishing that to keep a prisoner in a
30:12
Speaker 9: British prison costs nearly fifty two pounds a year. You
30:16
Speaker 9: can set a child eaten for that price. So we
30:19
Speaker 9: can send some of our worst violent criminals overseas to
30:24
Speaker 9: serve their terms, then yes. And if that means that
30:27
Speaker 9: Ian Huntley goes to El Salvador, well our attitude is
30:31
Speaker 9: so be it.
30:35
Speaker 2: So billions get pumped into Ukraine by the United Kingdom
30:39
Speaker 2: for weapons and munitions and supplies, Nigel Farage switches back
30:43
Speaker 2: to the idea that Britain is broken, and this is
30:46
Speaker 2: of course the latest initiative reform UK on Veil's massive
30:51
Speaker 2: fifty billion welfare overhaul to scrap personal assistance funding so
30:59
Speaker 2: we could deal with the war. That would do two things.
31:02
Speaker 2: It would stop the killing and it would also stop
31:05
Speaker 2: the UK bleeding public money into that terrible war in Ukraine,
31:10
Speaker 2: and we could then stabilize the country. To look at
31:13
Speaker 2: the other elements, but Nigel Fraj doesn't want to do that.
31:16
Speaker 2: He's now flipping the public mind between emotive subjects that
31:21
Speaker 2: are not actually dealing with the severe nature of the problem.
31:26
Speaker 2: A lot more to talk on this, but we can
31:28
Speaker 2: do it in extra time.
31:29
Speaker 1: Then tourney is Brian, Yes, thank you very much. Now
31:31
Speaker 1: just going to redraw everyone's attention to this program of
31:35
Speaker 1: activity that is ongoing across the country, the National Emergency Briefing.
31:39
Speaker 1: I first spoke about it back in December last year.
31:42
Speaker 1: This is being run by Chris Packham CB and it's
31:46
Speaker 1: being presented as a kind of organic citizen led pushback
31:52
Speaker 1: against the fossil fuel giants and creating demand for a
31:56
Speaker 1: national televised briefing either Prime Minister about the climate crisis
32:01
Speaker 1: and what needs to happen because of it. They've been
32:03
Speaker 1: showing a film all around the country, literally hundreds of
32:07
Speaker 1: screenings in community center's, church halls, classrooms, wherever it might be.
32:14
Speaker 1: They launched a petition to have this debated in Hasard Parliament,
32:21
Speaker 1: which they just released this little statement in the past
32:23
Speaker 1: couple of days to say that they have now hit
32:25
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand signatures. So this is actually going to
32:28
Speaker 1: be debated in Parliament. They're now trying to push for
32:31
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand signatures and this is phase end of
32:34
Speaker 1: phase two of their plan that be coming into right.
32:37
Speaker 1: So you know, again, as I said, they presented this
32:39
Speaker 1: as a sort of organic and citizen led but it
32:42
Speaker 1: looks suspiciously like a planned operation to me when you
32:45
Speaker 1: get into the way that they actually talk about what
32:46
Speaker 1: they're doing. So we're now end of phase two, and
32:50
Speaker 1: they want to get the government to brief the nation
32:53
Speaker 1: on the supposed robust science about the climate in order
32:59
Speaker 1: toss with the agenda that they're pushing forward, right, So,
33:03
Speaker 1: they want to televise national emergency briefing. That would actually
33:07
Speaker 1: be taking over all public service broadcast channels, radio, TV, everything,
33:12
Speaker 1: all newspapers. It would be completely inescapable, exactly what they
33:16
Speaker 1: did with COVID, but this time on the climate issue.
33:20
Speaker 1: And that will then necessitate a national emergency response, and
33:24
Speaker 1: they're talking about this in terms of a war type response.
33:27
Speaker 1: And actually that will then place us at the center
33:29
Speaker 1: of the global transition towards a new system. So this
33:34
Speaker 1: is actually what these people are explicitly pushing forward now
33:38
Speaker 1: that importantly that will mean a few things. The first
33:40
Speaker 1: one is a total suspension of the fiscal rules, so
33:44
Speaker 1: they will be able to spend an infinite amount of
33:46
Speaker 1: money in supporting this transition to a new system that
33:50
Speaker 1: will include a huge program to insulate homes and convert
33:54
Speaker 1: to heat pumps whole streets at a time, a rapid
33:57
Speaker 1: build out of public transport, nature restoration, shifting diets, and
34:01
Speaker 1: what they call grid reinforcement. So this is basically every
34:04
Speaker 1: single area of our society completely transformed in response to
34:08
Speaker 1: this supposed climate crisis, about which the scientific consensus is
34:14
Speaker 1: pretty shaky. Let's put it like that when you really
34:16
Speaker 1: dig into it. This will also, of course include a
34:19
Speaker 1: further crackdown on freedom speech. Zach Polanski is a big
34:23
Speaker 1: fan of that. He was talking on x over the
34:25
Speaker 1: weekend saying that it's time we sorted out the press
34:29
Speaker 1: constant misinformation to protect their donors and fossil fuels is
34:32
Speaker 1: destroying lives in our planet. The government must step up
34:36
Speaker 1: and stop being cowardly. I was in response to this
34:39
Speaker 1: article in the Mail in Sunday basically say it's a
34:41
Speaker 1: long hot summer and mister Polanski doesn't like that, and
34:46
Speaker 1: is also appealing to the other institutions that are involved
34:49
Speaker 1: in the phone hacking. Scan also hacked Off was set
34:52
Speaker 1: up in order to bring about the Levison inquiry, and
34:56
Speaker 1: Polanski is linking to their website and saying this is
34:59
Speaker 1: the organization that is a vehicle for this further these
35:02
Speaker 1: further restrictions have been looking for a free speech.
35:04
Speaker 2: This is a conspiracy against free speech as well, a conspiracy.
35:10
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely so. We're talked about the racial issue at
35:12
Speaker 1: the start of the show, and that's coming in many
35:15
Speaker 1: ways already here, and the climate issue is just as
35:20
Speaker 1: pertinent to the agenda, given how the whole thing has
35:24
Speaker 1: been structured and is rolling out. Dale Vince the extremely wealthy.
35:29
Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite a billionaire, but he's certainly
35:31
Speaker 1: worth in the tens, if not one hundreds of millions
35:33
Speaker 1: of pounds, a lot of it coming from government subsidies
35:35
Speaker 1: organism through his company Ecotricity. He thinks that climate denial
35:41
Speaker 1: should be a crime. This is this is wrong.
35:44
Speaker 2: Think well, it's a suggestion that at the moment as
35:51
Speaker 2: a real focus on alternative media. But all of these
35:55
Speaker 2: reports tend to add weight to the fact that something
35:58
Speaker 2: is building here big time speaking out against government policy,
36:02
Speaker 2: criticizing the government criticizing climate change. That is going to
36:08
Speaker 2: be an offense.
36:10
Speaker 1: If these people will get their way. It certainly will,
36:12
Speaker 1: and they're not and they will use any any means
36:15
Speaker 1: to get this right. So, actually this is Chris Packham
36:18
Speaker 1: sharing this over the weekend saying anyone else get this earlier, well,
36:22
Speaker 1: say national emergency briefing now, because they've set off the
36:26
Speaker 1: emergency alert system. And I have to ask a question
36:29
Speaker 1: of you, Brian, this is this terrorism we're being subjected
36:32
Speaker 1: to right now.
36:32
Speaker 2: As far as they're concerned, we are terrorists telling the truth.
36:36
Speaker 1: Yes, well they're certainly terrorizing us as well. So yeah,
36:42
Speaker 1: much more on that to come. I think this is
36:43
Speaker 1: reaching a crescendo over the coming weeks. We hit September,
36:47
Speaker 1: that thing is going to go mainstream and I wouldn't
36:49
Speaker 1: be surprised to see Andy Byrnhen popping up on a
36:52
Speaker 1: fully locked down linear briefing to the to the entire
36:57
Speaker 1: country COVID style is going to be quite the thing
37:00
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38:44
Speaker 2: Of course, I think this is one of the best
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38:51
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39:12
Speaker 1: we have this conversation Mark Anderson interviewing James pearl Of
39:18
Speaker 1: about American history. Now, it is my delight and pleasure
39:24
Speaker 1: and honor to invite to the show doctor A. McCloskey. Hi,
39:28
Speaker 1: and how are you.
39:30
Speaker 4: Good? Afternoon? Love me to be here.
39:33
Speaker 1: Good, fantastic, It's great to have you here.
39:36
Speaker 3: Now.
39:37
Speaker 1: You have got quite an extraordinary story. We've talked a
39:39
Speaker 1: lot previously about your own personal experience during COVID and
39:43
Speaker 1: going to war with the GMC and being imprisoned and
39:48
Speaker 1: experiencing the new form of digital justice, which actually is
39:52
Speaker 1: not justice at all. Over the past couple of years.
39:54
Speaker 1: But actually one of the things that you've been doing
39:56
Speaker 1: most recently is reporting on some extraordinary cases that are
40:00
Speaker 1: playing out right now actually in Northern Ireland in particular.
40:04
Speaker 1: The one that caught my attention because of some of
40:05
Speaker 1: the things we've been reporting on recently, particularly as it
40:08
Speaker 1: relates to the seizure of land and assets by local councils,
40:12
Speaker 1: is the case of John and Isaac Patterson, who have
40:17
Speaker 1: had the farm taken away in extraordinary circumstances. And I
40:21
Speaker 1: just wonder if you could give us a bit of
40:23
Speaker 1: background a book about what you've been reporting on.
40:27
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, as I say, it's a great
40:28
Speaker 4: pleasure to be here, and I'm here to try and
40:31
Speaker 4: spread the story of what happened the eighty one year
40:34
Speaker 4: old Isaac John Little Patterson and her seventy sexual wife Hilda.
40:44
Speaker 4: Just before Christmas, as they say in the Wife of Christmas,
40:46
Speaker 4: they were rejected from their home and farm armed members
40:53
Speaker 4: of the Police Service of Northern Ireland and an expert
40:57
Speaker 4: locksmith with a crowbar and several enforces from the government
41:04
Speaker 4: vased government departments with civil servants turned up to the
41:08
Speaker 4: house and broken and put them to the street just
41:11
Speaker 4: before Christmas. So the story is hugely complicated and law.
41:18
Speaker 4: I won't be able obviously to go into every aspect
41:20
Speaker 4: of it here, but I think it is really important
41:24
Speaker 4: that people understand that what we see is the collusion
41:28
Speaker 4: of government departments, ministers, civil servants, the police service, the
41:37
Speaker 4: Court and Tribunal service, and these people in a seamless
41:42
Speaker 4: garment have arranged too fraudulently make John Isaac John Little
41:51
Speaker 4: Patterson bankrupt by using the discharged bankruptcy of his son
41:57
Speaker 4: John Patterson in order to move those creditors into Isaac's
42:04
Speaker 4: Accountan now John Isaac and Hilda got married in the
42:08
Speaker 4: seventies and he was born in nineteen forty five. He's
42:13
Speaker 4: eighty one years of age. They had a farm just
42:17
Speaker 4: outside Murray in County Down, which they bought jointly after
42:21
Speaker 4: their marriage, and between the farm produce and held his
42:26
Speaker 4: staff as what the Northern equivalent of the NHS, a nurse.
42:31
Speaker 4: She worked in hospitals and nursing homes and care residential
42:35
Speaker 4: facilities and stuff like that, and is still actually working
42:37
Speaker 4: to this day seventy six. So they were able to
42:40
Speaker 4: buy the farm outright and they discharged all of their
42:43
Speaker 4: debts on that farm sometime around the turn of the millennium,
42:46
Speaker 4: about the year two thousand. Now there they had to
42:50
Speaker 4: three children, a daughter and two sons. The eldest son
42:53
Speaker 4: is John Patterson. John left home and set up his
42:56
Speaker 4: own business as a sheep trader, and he also rented
43:00
Speaker 4: land on which he grew potatoes and other crops. So John,
43:10
Speaker 4: what happened was he had he was a sheep trader
43:13
Speaker 4: and he had he got into financial difficulties when someone
43:16
Speaker 4: didn't pay for a pilo sheet that they bought. And
43:19
Speaker 4: also there was a crop failure. His potato crop failed
43:23
Speaker 4: one year. He got into severe financial difficulties and at
43:26
Speaker 4: the end of the day there were nine creditors that
43:30
Speaker 4: he couldn't pay. The petitioning creditor to make him bankrupt
43:35
Speaker 4: was John Thompson's fertilized feats. He only owed them twelve
43:40
Speaker 4: thousand somewhere in the region of twelve thousand pounds, but
43:42
Speaker 4: they were the sort of moving party, along with nine
43:45
Speaker 4: other creditors who made him bankrupt. That was in two
43:49
Speaker 4: thousand and sixteen. John tried his best to pay off
43:55
Speaker 4: that debt. He drove a lorry in England and you know,
43:58
Speaker 4: just tried his best, but was on able to do
44:00
Speaker 4: so he was made bankrupt as to say, in twenty sixteen.
44:06
Speaker 4: Now that John has no assets, he had no money,
44:08
Speaker 4: so it was a no asset bankruptcy. And in twenty eighteen,
44:14
Speaker 4: through the court of the law, his bankruptcy was completely
44:22
Speaker 4: expunged and discharged in perpetuity. The debt no longer existed
44:28
Speaker 4: the creditors there were no assets, so the creditors weren't
44:32
Speaker 4: going to get a dividend. And incredibly, this happened in
44:36
Speaker 4: a private chamber with the Master Fiona Kelly. This again
44:42
Speaker 4: is in the courts, in a private chamber without any
44:46
Speaker 4: public access. Incredibly, six days later, all of that debt,
44:54
Speaker 4: which had been completely wiped out forever extinguished, forever, was transferred.
45:03
Speaker 4: Six days after that happened in twenty eighteen, it was
45:07
Speaker 4: transferred into his father's name. And these are two separate
45:14
Speaker 4: and todays, they have separate dates of birth, they have
45:16
Speaker 4: different names. As you know, maybe in Irish farming communities,
45:20
Speaker 4: people names run in families, but John is John Isaac Patterson.
45:27
Speaker 4: His father is Isaac John Little Patterson. They're two separate
45:31
Speaker 4: individuals and all of the paperwork testifies to this. So incredibly,
45:38
Speaker 4: this elderly couple who had no debt whatsoever, where fraudulently
45:44
Speaker 4: loaded with an expunge debt as definitely longer existed. And
45:49
Speaker 4: the moving party again in both bankruptcies was John Thompson's fertilizers.
45:55
Speaker 4: The moving party in making Isaac bankrupt was John Thompson
46:00
Speaker 4: as well, but a very old established fertilizer and state
46:03
Speaker 4: firm here. So we see then after that the collusion
46:09
Speaker 4: between the various government departments in what we call the
46:12
Speaker 4: circle of corruption. So you have the Department for Finance,
46:16
Speaker 4: obviously headed up by Shinfein JOHNO Did and the civil
46:20
Speaker 4: servant Neil Gibson as the permanent Secretary. They run the
46:24
Speaker 4: land and Property services with it, where they have a
46:27
Speaker 4: digital system for registration of titles. After that, then you
46:33
Speaker 4: have the Department of the Economy headed up by again
46:36
Speaker 4: Shin Fain Kiva Archibald and the permanent Secutary. There's a
46:40
Speaker 4: in Snowden. Then will be interested to know that the
46:43
Speaker 4: common purpose has been very active among the sort of
46:46
Speaker 4: recruits to the civil service here in the North. So
46:49
Speaker 4: the Department of the Economy is responsible for the insolvency
46:52
Speaker 4: service and it should rule operate by the insolvency rules
46:57
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety one. But interestingly the DOJ website, although
47:01
Speaker 4: the rules for all the various other bodies are there,
47:03
Speaker 4: Departner for Agriculture and all the other things, the insolvency
47:07
Speaker 4: rules are not there. And we suspect this is because
47:10
Speaker 4: the Insolvency Order of nineteen seventy nine, which has been
47:13
Speaker 4: amended twenty four times, it says that the department means
47:17
Speaker 4: the Department of Economic Development. Now, as people may know,
47:20
Speaker 4: in twenty and sixteen the departments were the names were changed.
47:26
Speaker 4: So the Department for Economic Development has not existed since
47:30
Speaker 4: two and sixteen, and yet sorry, since two thousand and six,
47:35
Speaker 4: I beg your pardon. So and yet this legislation that
47:41
Speaker 4: they are using to in all these shenanigans is for
47:46
Speaker 4: a government department doesn't exist. And interestingly, in my case
47:50
Speaker 4: we discovered this as well, that the paperwork is in
47:55
Speaker 4: the summonses and in the moving parties in the North
47:59
Speaker 4: is the director of the Public Prosecution Service for Northern Ireland,
48:03
Speaker 4: which doesn't exist with freedom of informations to prove this.
48:07
Speaker 4: So you can see that they're changing names and changing
48:10
Speaker 4: people's estate titles on their digital systems in order to
48:15
Speaker 4: essentially participate in broad so the essentially mixed the bankruptcies
48:24
Speaker 4: in the North of Ireland. It is very likely because
48:27
Speaker 4: of this the Department for the Economy is masquerading us
48:31
Speaker 4: the Apartment of Economic Development, which is puts in the legislation.
48:35
Speaker 4: So a lot of conceivably the bankruptcies are all invalid.
48:40
Speaker 4: So this is a possibility. Now that Insolvency Department operates
48:44
Speaker 4: the ISAAC system and this is this is where we
48:47
Speaker 4: have two Benny isax. We now have three isis in
48:50
Speaker 4: the story. But the ISC system is the Insolvency Services
48:55
Speaker 4: application for the administration of cases. So uh, this this
49:01
Speaker 4: is their their system and what they It's a Fujitsu system.
49:06
Speaker 4: And it looks as if the way that this is
49:09
Speaker 4: this is very similar in some ways to what happened
49:13
Speaker 4: with the Fugitsu's digital systems for the post office scandal,
49:18
Speaker 4: where in the biels of that system they are changing names,
49:23
Speaker 4: changing postcodes, and and and swapping identities essentially, so that
49:31
Speaker 4: in the ISAAC system, incredibly there is only one file
49:36
Speaker 4: for both John Patterson and his eighty one year old father.
49:41
Speaker 4: There there has to be two files, you know, but
49:44
Speaker 4: but there's only one file. So that and and this this, this,
49:50
Speaker 4: this whole digitization of the courts, digitization of these systems,
49:55
Speaker 4: I think is the mechanism whereby you will own nothing
49:58
Speaker 4: and be happy is going to be broad about. You know,
50:01
Speaker 4: you have a debt transparent to hand, who has assets,
50:06
Speaker 4: and those assets then are taken from them in the
50:09
Speaker 4: most brutal and egregious way which you've seen them.
50:16
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll just say and thank you very much
50:21
Speaker 2: taking us through that. It took me back in time
50:24
Speaker 2: because I know that certainly fifteen years ago, I'm going
50:27
Speaker 2: to guess UK column had a number of people coming
50:30
Speaker 2: to us with stories about businesses or houses or property
50:36
Speaker 2: being taken away from them and it was done well
50:40
Speaker 2: you've described it so wonderfully. There was a circle of corruption,
50:45
Speaker 2: so that agencies that people would expect to be protecting them,
50:50
Speaker 2: maybe the police, were actually involved in helping these rogue
50:55
Speaker 2: agencies to steal property. And of course the problem for
50:59
Speaker 2: the ordinary man or woman of the general public is
51:03
Speaker 2: that they're trying to fight back not only against very
51:05
Speaker 2: powerful and wealthy government agencies, they don't have access to
51:12
Speaker 2: the data that those agencies use to claim that there's
51:16
Speaker 2: a case in the first place. So the digitization of
51:20
Speaker 2: files in our own case here in England, once the
51:25
Speaker 2: Land Registry went from paper files to an online system,
51:31
Speaker 2: many people would say the number of corrupt correct cases increased.
51:35
Speaker 2: So there's huge danger here. And the other comment I'll
51:40
Speaker 2: make is it's so sad to see officials just acting
51:44
Speaker 2: on the back of paperwork without any thought to are
51:48
Speaker 2: these accusations actually true? Is their real evidence? And these
51:52
Speaker 2: are all of the things that we accuse the Germans
51:56
Speaker 2: of in a nation that the Germans got involved in
51:59
Speaker 2: this vicious uh A government under the Nazi regime. They
52:04
Speaker 2: were complicit, they did as they were told, and yet
52:07
Speaker 2: step by step we can effectively see the same thing
52:11
Speaker 2: building here, not only in England, but of course where
52:15
Speaker 2: you are in Northern Ireland and indeed in Ireland itself.
52:19
Speaker 2: So it's it's troubled times.
52:23
Speaker 4: Incredibly, the Department of Justice that the entire Court, High Court,
52:30
Speaker 4: county courts, that the High Court all of it is run.
52:34
Speaker 4: It's actually a part of the Northern London Executive. This
52:38
Speaker 4: is this is bizarre. There's absolutely no sort of separation
52:42
Speaker 4: of the government, you know, run the entire system in
52:46
Speaker 4: the courts and you know the thing about access to
52:51
Speaker 4: the public. The good news, I suppose is that the
52:56
Speaker 4: Patterson family John in particular on behalf of his father Isaac,
53:01
Speaker 4: whose apart was under threat, have been in the courts
53:06
Speaker 4: for years trying to get information. But more recently they
53:10
Speaker 4: started working with a lady who some of you may
53:12
Speaker 4: be aware of, Alisa Keane, who is she is an
53:16
Speaker 4: ma and modern Irish history. But she's a brilliant researcher
53:19
Speaker 4: and she's kind of self taught in the law and
53:22
Speaker 4: she has dubbed very deeply and shown people how to
53:27
Speaker 4: use subject access requests, data protection law, freedom of informations,
53:33
Speaker 4: you know, looking for their files and making them and
53:38
Speaker 4: this has proven very effective. For example, they the Patterson
53:43
Speaker 4: John was not given access to any of his list
53:48
Speaker 4: of creditors, He had no accounting for his bankruptcy and
53:52
Speaker 4: it was only through using data protection law that he
53:55
Speaker 4: was able to get that. So you know, this is
53:59
Speaker 4: going to for over a decade trying to get information
54:03
Speaker 4: and using the right rules and citing their legislation back
54:09
Speaker 4: to them means that people actually can. I mean, just
54:12
Speaker 4: before a couple of days before the eviction we managed
54:15
Speaker 4: to get John took delivery of two big cardboard boxes
54:21
Speaker 4: full of evidence that he had been looking at for
54:26
Speaker 4: a very very long time. So yeah, there are tools
54:30
Speaker 4: people can use, but unfortunately the system is such that.
54:34
Speaker 4: I mean on New Year's Day I wrote an email
54:37
Speaker 4: to every single MLA in the North of Ireland, every
54:41
Speaker 4: last one, going through the whole details of this case.
54:44
Speaker 4: Now I got a couple of out of office automatic replies,
54:47
Speaker 4: but apart from that, I have not had one single response.
54:51
Speaker 4: And we had a few of the local MLAs in
54:53
Speaker 4: the new area who engaged for a while but then
54:56
Speaker 4: obviously were warned off or decided it was wasn't worth
55:00
Speaker 4: worth it. So nothing works, nothing works, uh and and
55:07
Speaker 4: it just trundles on. It's quite incredible. We've spent I
55:13
Speaker 4: had to go home. But the day before the eviction
55:16
Speaker 4: we were with the Police Service in Musgrave Street place
55:20
Speaker 4: session in the center of Belfast. There were four of
55:23
Speaker 4: us went I had to leave, the others spent three
55:25
Speaker 4: hours there going through this case, showing all the evidence
55:30
Speaker 4: and the constable there a lady called called Nicola Kelly,
55:34
Speaker 4: I think it was her second name. I could be
55:35
Speaker 4: wrong in that she said three or four times during
55:39
Speaker 4: the interview to John Patterson, your father is going to
55:43
Speaker 4: lose his farm tomorrow. This is in the face of
55:47
Speaker 4: absolute evidence of systemic and persistent fraud. And this is
55:53
Speaker 4: this is a senior police constable. This is all all recorded.
55:58
Speaker 4: It's all you know, they insisted that all of this
56:01
Speaker 4: was recorded. It's quite incredible. It's staggering in the audacity,
56:06
Speaker 4: you know. So again, I know that you people have
56:09
Speaker 4: been talking for a long time about devolution and you know,
56:13
Speaker 4: these Metro mayors and the stuff that's happening happening, happening
56:17
Speaker 4: there under the Andrew Burnham model, shall we say, And
56:22
Speaker 4: this this devolution of Northern Andine and obviously goes back
56:25
Speaker 4: to the Government of Ireland Act, but it really kicked
56:29
Speaker 4: in at the time of the Good Friday Agreement in
56:32
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight, and interestingly, that was you know, the
56:35
Speaker 4: whole peace process I was talking about earlier in saying
56:39
Speaker 4: that that Klaus Schwab apparently has boasted that he was
56:42
Speaker 4: the instigator of the Northern Ireland peace process. And we
56:47
Speaker 4: see that within a couple of years of the Good
56:50
Speaker 4: Friday Agreement being signed, that the leaders of all of
56:55
Speaker 4: the main parties were over in Davos think in two
56:58
Speaker 4: thousand and two, and.
56:59
Speaker 10: Martin McGinnis, who was leader of the Professional IRA apparently
57:05
Speaker 10: allegedly address Davos in two thousand and four.
57:10
Speaker 4: This is staggering. So you can see that that you
57:13
Speaker 4: have the whole, whole wrap around approach of the plunder
57:20
Speaker 4: state and the Patishons are innocent, absolutely innocent victims of
57:27
Speaker 4: a system which is demonic and I don't think that's
57:31
Speaker 4: too strong a word to use. If anybody looks at
57:34
Speaker 4: the on on my self stack, you'll see the full
57:37
Speaker 4: value of the eviction and it's it is truly horrific.
57:42
Speaker 2: So thank you very much for that. There's so many
57:46
Speaker 2: points there. Now you are joining us for UK Column Extra,
57:49
Speaker 2: which is after the News for our members and we'll
57:53
Speaker 2: be able to get into this much deeper. But yes,
57:56
Speaker 2: such an important subject because we're dealing with organized crime
58:02
Speaker 2: and corruption within the government system and the pattern is
58:07
Speaker 2: the same whether we're in England or Scotland. Or Wales,
58:10
Speaker 2: or Northern Ireland, or Era itself. There's a common pattern
58:15
Speaker 2: to this. It's as though the crime and the fraud
58:19
Speaker 2: is being used by the political hand to achieve its objectives.
58:24
Speaker 2: And we can delve into this a lot more in extra.
58:28
Speaker 1: Indeed we will. Yes, now, Brian, you've been talking to
58:32
Speaker 1: Rhyina Forlmack again.
58:34
Speaker 2: Yes, I have, and I've got a little recorded clip
58:39
Speaker 2: from a telephone conversation I had very recently with Hiner.
58:44
Speaker 2: I'm going to be playing out the fall clip in
58:48
Speaker 2: a few days time, but it was a very interesting
58:51
Speaker 2: conversation with Reiner, and I thought i'd just play a
58:54
Speaker 2: little taste of it here to end today's news, to
58:58
Speaker 2: demonstrate that, yes, we are very much still in contact
59:01
Speaker 2: with Rhina Formick. We are still very much looking into
59:04
Speaker 2: the case and what has actually happened to him, and
59:08
Speaker 2: we believe it's very important that we're also sharing that
59:13
Speaker 2: information with our public. So here's just a few minutes
59:18
Speaker 2: of my conversation a few days ago with Rhina speaking
59:23
Speaker 2: from prison. I have Rhina Formick on the phone with
59:28
Speaker 2: me at this very moment. He's calling from prison. We'd
59:31
Speaker 2: hope to speak last night, but Unfortunately there was a
59:34
Speaker 2: little bit of a problem and we didn't manage that.
59:36
Speaker 2: So thank you very much for calling me this morning.
59:42
Speaker 11: Well, thank you for giving me the opportunity.
59:45
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. The time has flown by since I
59:52
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to come and see you in prison,
59:55
Speaker 2: and I'll say this to you. I think it might
59:57
Speaker 2: make some of the audience smile a little bit. Couple
1:00:00
Speaker 2: of people contacted me after I put out the report
1:00:05
Speaker 2: talking about your case and the visit to you in prison,
1:00:09
Speaker 2: and they said, we don't actually know that Brian Gerrish
1:00:13
Speaker 2: visited Rhina Fulmick in prison. How do we know that
1:00:16
Speaker 2: he visited him? So of course I said that I
1:00:20
Speaker 2: made the trip. But Rhina, would you kindly share with
1:00:24
Speaker 2: the audience the fact that I did come and see
1:00:27
Speaker 2: you in prison.
1:00:31
Speaker 11: Of course you were here. You visited me together with
1:00:34
Speaker 11: Seva Perry Gillini from Switzerland, and we had about an
1:00:43
Speaker 11: hour to talk about anything and everything, and we did,
1:00:46
Speaker 11: and this is how I managed to put you up
1:00:49
Speaker 11: to speed. Then we followed up with another phone conversation
1:00:53
Speaker 11: which nobody is aware of. But because you didn't record anything,
1:00:57
Speaker 11: it was a private conversation, so that I was able
1:01:00
Speaker 11: to really tell you about all the details that maybe
1:01:04
Speaker 11: the public could be interested in.
1:01:07
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much for that. So there's the
1:01:10
Speaker 2: facts that I did travel to bremmer Ford or I
1:01:14
Speaker 2: did visit Rhiner in prison, had the opportunity to meet
1:01:19
Speaker 2: him for the first time, and today we're going to
1:01:24
Speaker 2: speak a little bit about his case and what's happening.
1:01:28
Speaker 2: I've had quite a I've had a lot of comments
1:01:31
Speaker 2: as a result of reporting on you, and I'm going
1:01:34
Speaker 2: to say most of those have been really complementary. They've
1:01:39
Speaker 2: been from people delighted to hear the report on you,
1:01:44
Speaker 2: and indeed, the fact the UK column has taken up
1:01:48
Speaker 2: on your case so very clear that you've got a
1:01:51
Speaker 2: lot of support from people. There were some other people
1:01:55
Speaker 2: that said to me, well, the trouble is we don't
1:01:59
Speaker 2: really know what's happened, and when I've pressed them, perhaps
1:02:05
Speaker 2: not surprisingly, the key issue that comes to the surface
1:02:08
Speaker 2: is well, all of that effort over CIC and all
1:02:12
Speaker 2: of the money that people raised, it's all gone and
1:02:16
Speaker 2: now we're just left in no man's land. R what's
1:02:21
Speaker 2: your response to people that believe at the moment that
1:02:25
Speaker 2: all of the money that was raised has been lost
1:02:27
Speaker 2: and that you've taken money and that money no longer exists.
1:02:31
Speaker 2: What can you say to the supporters that have got
1:02:37
Speaker 2: concerns in these areas well?
1:02:40
Speaker 11: The short answer is the fake news. The money is
1:02:43
Speaker 11: still there.
1:02:46
Speaker 2: So I cut it off very sharply there, but a
1:02:50
Speaker 2: key point being made that the money is still there.
1:02:53
Speaker 2: This is such an important point because it changes the
1:02:56
Speaker 2: whole dynamics of the case around Rhina format. And as
1:03:01
Speaker 2: I said, we will put out the rest of that
1:03:04
Speaker 2: audio in a few days time. But that's just a
1:03:08
Speaker 2: little taste of to say. We are still very much
1:03:10
Speaker 2: on the case of Ryana Formick and we've been pleased
1:03:14
Speaker 2: to be able to put out this conversation with them.
1:03:18
Speaker 1: I think they call that a cliffhanger, don't they?
1:03:21
Speaker 2: I think they do.
1:03:22
Speaker 1: They certainly do. And what a good way to end
1:03:24
Speaker 1: the news because we're out of time. Thank you so
1:03:26
Speaker 1: much for everyone who's been tuning in live or indeed
1:03:30
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1:03:41
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