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Bears Banter Ep. 244: Mega Training Camp Preview with Zack Pearson! Part 1: The Offense · 2nd City Gridiron

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, bare-down, bare-pants, it's time for another edition of the Chicago Bears podcast Bears Banner, powered by Second City Gridiron Bill Zimmerman with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are excited to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have been doing this particular episode for the last five or six years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert Schmitz used to do this with me all the time and starting last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zach Pearson from Bear Report, he came aboard and had to deal with me for two plus hours and he's willing to actually come back and do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, of course, you know Zach Pearson Bear Report, he's at House Hall all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can file on social media, he's at Zach Pearson, but make sure it's Z-A-C-K, not H-K, not H-Zak Pearson, and he joins me now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zach Bill Zimmerman, how you doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess now we can say since
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[SPEAKER_00]: the first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So second one annual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more than happy to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for inviting me back on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I did a good enough job last time to be invited back on and I'm running for some football man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've been, you know, I'm a big soccer nerds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The world cups really helped me kind of get through this what month and a half low we've had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what we're about two weeks away from a report date, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is, it's right around the corner and it's been, you know what, since you could have brought that up about the world cup, let me actually start with that because I talked about this on a previous podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that this OTAs and many can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was potentially the most boring spring practices for the bears that I can remember in years, like going back to like pretrestment kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was sitting there like, why is that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said there, because there's not a quarterback controversy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a new head coach, a new offensive coordinator, a new offense to look at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been such,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Turn over and all these things and like is Mitch the guy is fields the guy We're counting stats and spring in spring practices all these things we used to do because we are obsessing over the coach And we are obsessing over the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't have to do this this this particular offseason So it kind of seems like OTA's just kind of came and went and there other than Ben Johnson getting mad at a cell phone going off It was breast conference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There really wasn't much to do
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also, you know, even last year, like, yeah, there was the big story lines of, you know, the Ben Johnson hire Caleb Williams going into Year 2, how's that all going to work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That marriage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But last year, even like the practice, as I remember, rookie camp on, they were pretty light until they got to training camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: compared to other coaches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I say light, you know, there's a couple periods where it's, you know, jogging and walk through maybe one or two periods at the end where they're kind of going, you know, not full go, but they're going as much as they can because they can't hit or, you know, they don't have pads on in those practices yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, this year was kind of the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you mentioned things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I sat through goodness, train camp of COVID, Michigan's Nick Foles, just tracking who won each day and we really, you know, that's one of the media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul is we're still strict and you couldn't even say like essentially who won the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of the big guys were just tweeting out gifts to kind of give hints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember the 10 kicker rookie mini camp from Matt Nagy in 2019 that was quote-unquote exciting notics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you want to say it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But do you remember who's the guy that did the back flips?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can't remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was that was that was wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the the mini camp of of kickers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was ice, it was just, it was nothing like I've ever seen before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Still haven't seen anything like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even talk to people around the lake, no one's seen anything like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it feels good to not have quarterback controversy, to not have, you know, what's this coach, you know, and is he actually good or not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some story lines we'll get into that, but it's been relaxed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's kind of helped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think once we get to train camp though, all go, we're going to see some things kind of emerge in a little bit more to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Casey Bennarsky, according to Google, there it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I made a perfect Chicago name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the guy that should be the bear's kicker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, the talent wasn't there enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Casey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were all pulling for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's talk about Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about that marriage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's been an interesting, you know, in terms of what they've been saying in front of the microphone, that how that's evolved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of the honesty that Caleb's had about that first year,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where we didn't really hear this, you know, okay, well, you know, he's tougher or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he kind of said all the right things of this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, man, last year, sometimes I felt like I was drowning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he said, uh, I think it was in one of the games he was doing like a pregame or a half time or something and he said to one of the sideline reporter or something like man, is this guy for real?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I first met him, like I I couldn't even like put my head around who Ben Johnson was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like there was definitely a feeling
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[SPEAKER_01]: September, October, maybe part of November was as well as Caleb Williams was getting settled into this offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as we all know, by the time things got in the late November with that Eagles game and into December and into the playoffs, the Ben Johnson Caleb Williams relationship, look like it was on all cylinders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was, it was a bit of tough love last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do remember, you know, in training camp, and I'm sure you remember this too, where Ben Johnson got out of bunch of guys, you know, for not lining up properly, false starts, illegal procedures, things like that in any poll guys to the side, you know, coal commit, coal stim love them, even Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was pretty intense to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we find out more that like, it was pretty much,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe hell for kale full you for a couple weeks or Ben Johnson will just on him But it was in a good way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We later found out you know that that's just that tough love coaching that Caleb was open to and the Ben was gonna give them you know Caleb even said I forgot who we told this but he said an interview that
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[SPEAKER_00]: It think it was like week two or three that he really finally started to go on the same page with Ben Johnson and I believe that was a Dallas Cowboys, Oakland or Las Vegas Raiders, back to back games that might have clicked for everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you know, I expect this year, though, there'll be some tough coaching on Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There should be, to me, it won't be as intense as last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm curious also behind the scenes, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if Ben was just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: really hammering into him and, you know, even Tyson Baging in case Keenham and that quarterback room in the film breakdowns and things like that, but, you know, I think the relationship is good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Caleb, you know, appreciated that Ben Gannonum and, you know, I think for a player, it feels good when you see all that work that you did, all that summer, those hot days, you know, the back to back days and you're going through all the film work and, you know, it's 10, 12 hour days for a lot of these guys and they're right back in the facility and
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[SPEAKER_00]: what happened last year during the season winning NFC North, winning a playoff game, almost winning another playoff game, and it's got to feel good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I think the relationship is in a good spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you know, Ben's going to harp on the completion percentage, and you know, they're going to harp on those easy throws and be more consistent, but it's definitely ahead of where they were last year by far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we'll talk about Caleb Williams game here in a minute, but before we get into kind of position groups and kind of go through the whole roster like we do here, and this is the training camp preview, where we're going to get into, you know, position battles and some interesting things for people to keep an eye on in July and August, I do want to talk to you about Ben Johnson a little bit as well because obviously bears fans were over the moon, even the ones who were hoping for like Mike Vrable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know we're still over the moon with that Ben Johnson was the guy and then of course you know everything comes through and this offense sack is someone who's been at Hallis Hall for a lot of years now seeing a lot of different coaches, a lot of different offensive coordinators and quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I go back and I was kidding with some of the other, you know, bears content creators I talk to about, you know, remember that Andy Dalton offense against the Rams, that Sunday night or Monday night game, whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just this, the dinky is dunkiest, like, just uninspired offense you've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And every time someone looking at advanced statistics comes out with something about an offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, Ben Johnson as the highest pass rate on second down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the most explosive rates here and and all these things of what bears fans have just been desperate for four years about just having a modern day offense that's willing to take chances and try and get explosive plays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Ben Johnson truly lived up to the hype in that regard in every single department.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say it's in a good way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a psycho in a very good way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's very stern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw that with the press conference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at the phone going off, he's direct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to try and answer every question as, you know, best as possible where we've had, you know, I've sat through Matt and Maggie pressures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've sat through Matt and Eberfluous Pressers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John Fox pressures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they've been circuses at times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With Ben, it's totally different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked about this last year too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you could say it's different with a lot of coaches with him, it truly is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he got right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He got that entire building to kind of buy in and not just the players, but coaching staff, training staff, people that work in the building, the front office, everyone there,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we saw that clip that probably shouldn't have gotten out, but he had him addressing on his first day, everyone in that building when they're all staying there talking to him and watching him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a breath of fresh air, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he'll give you, you know, some kind of caddy answers, but that that that that banter is okay between the reporters in the head coach, that's what you want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's been really refreshing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can kind of see like
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[SPEAKER_00]: at Hallis Hall and I'd be shocked if it went off the rails this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like even if they have, you know, a disappointing year, I don't think we're going to see anything like we saw at the end of the Matt Nagier, the end of the Matt E. Refuser, basically John Fox knowing it's his final year and he's out the door telling stories about pet monkeys and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we'll get anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ben is he's
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[SPEAKER_00]: just with his offensive scheme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very impressive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I go back and I don't know if you've heard the interview, the one that Colson love and just did with, um, I think it's bustling with the boys, but I want back and listen to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They asked them, were you surprised when they're strapped to you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically the answer was, I was a little surprised because they didn't really need a tight end, but Ben's philosophy is
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[SPEAKER_00]: we want the best player in that draft and they took calls to love and was the best player available in draft and Ben's eyes and how that works in his offense like they couldn't they didn't have to take a tight end this year but guess what they're going to run a lot 13 person else they are I didn't so I think Ben certainly has a vision for what he wants here and it's full steam ahead with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think all bears fans are excited and you know want to see what what's next for you know this season and it should be more challenging with with with a lot of things will get into that over the course of this podcast, but let's talk about Caleb Williams a little bit and let's talk about the quarterback room I don't think there's a lot of controversy here where with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyson Bajant, the clear QB2 and case kingdom kind of I just look at them as an assistant quarterback coach at this point at the QB3 role I love that he signed for two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope he's actually planning on sticking around in twenty twenty seven as well because I do think and Caleb has talked about him a couple times about what a benefit he is to have in that quarterback room
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, not much to do in terms of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's kind of focus on Caleb Williams here for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just start, you know, you brought it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Ben Johnson has brought up the completion percentage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And media and fans, especially fans that aren't bears fans, have really become obsessed with that completion percentage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not high enough, but it's way too low.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why he's not a good quarterback and all these things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that there's that that's a fair argument at all with the completion percentage or do you think that's is really overblown or maybe it's both I think it's a little bit of both and here's what here's why I say this last year when Ben Johnson came out and said the 70% look at the year before that how many quarterbacks actually had 70% completion percentage I think it was ready to form maybe I think Jared golf was one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jane Daniels came pretty close to it and then even last year not a lot of cornerbacks hit that mark It's a very tough mark to hit like it's it's not easy at all now is 58% good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not kill bullets until you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's not good So I think it's fair in that part of it where
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, 58 is not good, but there's room room proof, but I also think it's kind of a little bit overblown when we saw that 70%, um, now the thing though, and the bears have talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: J.T.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Barrett said it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The easy money throws.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's where Caleb's got to get a little better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think it's a fair criticism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always, I'd rather something numerous times on podcasts and in the Twitter, I go back to that Lions Game Week 18,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the bears come back to have the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it chance to take the lead late in the game is third down Luther Burns running a slant balls a little high behind them Could have been caught probably, but that's kind of one of those throws where Luther catches at least probably got open to feel the head of them I'm with how explosive he is, but those are the kind of throws that I want to see kill Williams hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any problem with this deep ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think he had a lot of success with the deep ball
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[SPEAKER_00]: compared to his rookie year, but it's he's kind of short, intermediate throws that he needs to be consistent now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, some of our drops, too, like that Zacchaeus drop against the commanders in the fourth quarter, he gets 4,000 passing yards because there was no one near Zacchaeus and he's running for a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He might probably still be running, but yeah, it's kind of those throws that he needs to work on, but also the receivers with the drops, that will help a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the answer to question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's a little bit of both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see why it's a fair criticism, but also the same time, you know, 70 percent was man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was such a hard hard heart to hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if we'll get it to this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's ask that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what what is a number in your mind?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, all right, if it goes up to 61, you're like, I want up 3% or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's what's the number?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want Caleb Williams to change the way he plays, which is going to, I think, decrease that completion percentage when he's trying to make things happen and dancing around back there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if we keep Caleb Williams playing the way he played so successfully last year, but he starts hitting the bunnies a little bit more, what is the number in Zach Pearson's head where you say, if he hits that number this year, I think that's going to be really good for this
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[SPEAKER_00]: 60.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I was going to say 64.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think 64 and a half over odd, you know, that's probably the number you'd set for over under, which is, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what that's an improvement of six percent, which is, which is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a couple of those bunny throws and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if, you know, I don't know, visit it getting lower than 58 if he's at 60.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, probably a little wiggle room there to ping on how the season goes, but I'd probably set it, yeah, 64 and a half-ish around there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and let me ask you this about Caleb Williams because, you know, we're in this off-season and NFL is counting down the NFL 100 and we don't know exactly at the time of this recording where Caleb Williams is going to end up, but it does look like he's going to be above Jordan Love and a couple other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, pretty, you know, Lamar Jackson, some some seriously name recognizable quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Jeremy Fowler had his list up with with coaches and GMs being surveyed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they had Caleb Williams as the 10th ranked quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're kind of starting to see that Caleb Williams based on where he played last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The league kind of the players and front offices and coaches kind of look at MS of borderline top 10 quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's nine, 10, 11, right, right in that range.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously that's not something we've we've seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is your, in kind of your mind?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is Caleb Williams ceiling this year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can use kind of statistics or you can compare it to his peers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it top five?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it just kind of solidifying and top 10?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of step forward do you think Caleb Williams could have in year two of the Ben Johnson offense?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the ceiling issue is probably top five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Getting into that top five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: if he gets in, like if he solidifies himself in that top 10, that's a good thing as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe he sits at seven, eight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of bears fans would take that, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, stats wise, the 4,000 pass or thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's important to fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is important to Caleb, but I also think, obviously, if he doesn't get it, and they want to play off games, that's totally fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to see, you know, maybe get to 4,000, up that completion percentage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: evidence is shown for the first two years, he's not going to throw a lot of interruptions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And whether that's, you know, maybe taking a safer throes or just not, you know, putting himself in the risk or making the highlight real throes, he's just not going to have a lot of interruptions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be shocked if he had a bad ear interruptions wise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the top 10 though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the follower one is really important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one that I felt puts out, you know, I've talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's players voting, a lot of them, you know, scribble the names, it's towards the end of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Zach, these players, they don't watch games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They watch the film of their own games, they watch highlights on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're playing their own games on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not making sure they lock in the Monday night or Sunday night football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as authentic as it should be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The flower one is very interesting because what he say it was coaches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coaches scouts and some GMs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: GMs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the interesting note is at the end, I believe what he say it was a Donald Daniels love and Williams like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were all close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fourteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So even if you put Caleb at 13, let's say you put Daniels at 10, you put Caleb at 13 and he's in that paragraph.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I think, you know, the startup that he has, getting the mad and cover, you need to never want to overall pick, taking the, taking a franchise that, you know, has to want to play off game and since the 2011 postseason, um, that's huge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think the follower one is a little more important than the NFL top 100.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I completely agree with that because like you said, the players, sometimes they have their buddies filling up, they're not supposed to, but we know what happens there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it's interesting with Caleb Williams, and again, the stats don't matter and if he, you know, I'm not on wood here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If he misses the gamer too, obviously we don't want to see that, you know, he may not hit that 4,000 or whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for me,
19:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of want to see him hit 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns, 30 passing touchdowns, just to kind of cross that off the to-do list.
19:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to happen.
19:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any doubt in any fan's mind that he's going to do that.
19:57
[SPEAKER_01]: If when he does that, he's going to have the passing touchdown record as well.
20:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Eric Kramer is a 28 or 29, whatever.
20:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, Kramer had a 95.
20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me this is just I hope he throws for 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns because then it's it's He's the franchise all-time leader in those passing sure, you know, the career leaders will get past eventually at that point But that's that's that's just like a You know a little comment one day when it happens to me I don't want it to be continuing to be a conversation can Caleb get to fourth especially the 4,000 yards Yeah, I just kind of want to see that get checked off the list
20:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he wants to say it too, because it's just a talking point that it's brought up by local media, but I'm sure, you know, he hears it from the National Media, too, and you know, if he has another 35, 3600 yard season, I believe he'll be in the top five already, right for bears.
20:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Trubisky might be five or McMahon, one of the two might be five, so who'll get, I mean, he'll get in there barring in the injuries.
20:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it would be nice just to just have it not be a talking point anymore.
21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what, the bears will be off that stupid graphic that everyone likes to put out the last 4,000 yard packs for franchise history for NFL teams.
21:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like I said, just get just cross it off the list and move on.
21:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So before we get away from the quarterbacks, let me just ask you out Tyson Bayesian a little bit because there were rumors in the offseason, the bears were shopping him.
21:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how accurate that was.
21:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a couple teams may have called and the bear said, well, if you want, it's going to be a second round pick.
21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, we're not giving up a second round pick for Tyson Bayesian.
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the bear said, well, then we're not trading him.
21:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of think that's where it ended.
21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it is interesting.
21:37
[SPEAKER_01]: with Tyson Bayesian.
21:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously he had the great, you know, preseason and, you know, that got some some buzz going and obviously he's got Ben Johnson.
21:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the extension.
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think there is a little buzz about Bayesian and I'm not saying it's a Malik Willis kind of a situation where he's going to become a free agent and get $25 million a year or whatever.
21:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that the league is keeping an eye on him enough where I wonder if the bigger note they're going to
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, are they going to maybe consider trading him next season?
22:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think, at some point, Zach, at some point with Tyson Bajan, he's going to want a true opportunity to start.
22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's probably going to want it after this contract expires.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So is it worth trading Tyson Bajan a year from now instead of losing him as a free agent most likely in two years?
22:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
22:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
22:34
[SPEAKER_00]: the time and the situation has to be right.
22:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with you, I think teams called, I know the bears have a high price on them, like they're not asking for a first round or anything like that.
22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But for a backup, they're asking for a good price.
22:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And pretty much what I know is no one met that price.
22:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I also know that he loves work with Ben Johnson and the bear's value that Tyson Bayesian values, that he believes even as a backup,
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: in training camp, in meeting rooms during the week, where he can improve himself.
23:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we saw that right away with the preseason Sean.
23:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's going up against backups, whatever, but it's hard man to be a quarterback and then I fell, any backup or third coach.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, very hard.
23:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they will eventually trade him.
23:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't think it'll be this right away.
23:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I do think if they get a scenario where he maybe says, okay, this, you know, the team calls and like they approach him and's like, you know,
23:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So and so it's called you and it's a right situation for me.
23:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think page and we'll say yes What was it to the Arizona was Arizona was the big rumor?
23:45
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a good situation That is a that is a franchise that's what three years away from being three years away or someone Right when Jacobi preset is holding out for more money.
23:56
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you need to know yes, and you know who know I mean I I imagine Carson back will start at some point this season for them, but yeah, I think it's got to be the right
24:06
[SPEAKER_00]: situation for that for him, agent.
24:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I do think that relationship he does value with Ryan Polls, he does value with with with Ben Johnson.
24:14
[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing we know about Ryan Polls is he's going to trade a player, let a player go.
24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to do he's going to do it best for that player.
24:21
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw that with Justin Fields.
24:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think they'll eventually trade him a move on because I think Beijing deserves a shot to be a starter whether it works out or not.
24:36
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's move over to the, well, let's just call it the weapons.
24:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's love wide receivers and tight ends together because they're becoming more and more interchangeable, especially in Ben Johnson's offense.
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's start with this.
24:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start at the top because DJ Moore definitely received some criticism on this podcast for his inconsistent play.
24:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll call it that and leave it at that.
24:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But,
24:56
[SPEAKER_01]: even someone like myself who did criticize DJ from time to time, I am not going to deny his importance in big moments, in big games, because I think Caleb Williams even knew.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't think him and DJ had the, I don't say they didn't like each other.
25:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, I don't think they had the best on the field chemistry in terms of knowing exactly where the other one wanted to be and all that kind of stuff.
25:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm wrong.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just my observation.
25:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think Caleb Williams certainly recognized.
25:23
[SPEAKER_01]: In the big moment, when he needs a big throw, he's got to look DJ Moore's direction.
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, DJ Moore no longer here.
25:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's interesting, like everyone's just to zoom in, Luther Bird and everyone's to zoom in.
25:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be Carlson, Lovelin.
25:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's going to be critical, Zach.
25:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, those guys are both talented.
25:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's Roman doing say.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be critical.
25:46
[SPEAKER_01]: that someone fill and it could be a group, but I think it really needs to be that one person that go to guy for Caleb to fill that key DJ more role.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: That third and eight in the fourth quarter was six minutes to go and you're down three or four points.
26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Who are you looking at first?
26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the guy and it was DJ more?
26:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, or it's like, oh, burden can handle at lovelin can handle it, but I think we need to know who that guy is early because I think that role is critical for not just Caleb Williams, but for any offense that you have that go to receiver in those key moments.
26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I think it's got to be Ramadan's day.
26:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, man, you spent a top 10 pick on them.
26:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've seen flashes where he played like the first, what, four or five games last year.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He was pretty darn good and then the foot injury happened and it was just all downhill from him.
26:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think year three, you got to play like a top 10 water receiver.
26:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what you're describing is that guy that you know is there, that guy that you can
26:46
[SPEAKER_00]: be comfortable with.
26:48
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you want a top 10 pick to do.
26:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you want a guy like that to have, you know, Joe Burrow has Jamar Chase.
26:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not comparing that to you, but, you know, at one point, Jalen Herzead, AJ Brown before that all kind of got sour.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for years, Aaron Rogers had to volunteer at him.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a staffer in Puka.
27:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Staffer in Puka, yes, I mean, staffer in Calvin Johnson.
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm not saying Roman Jones is on that level or anything, but that's what you drafted him to be.
27:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, Luther Burden will be the breakout guy.
27:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people are really high on him.
27:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I am, you know, Cole some love when I also could be that guy, but, you know, he's your top tight end.
27:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to see.
27:29
[SPEAKER_00]: how they use him in terms of maybe a potential third-wide receiver type role.
27:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, for me, it's got to be Roman Dunes and I agree, like, I'll talk to someone about this either day.
27:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, when Caleb Gontrable and Rome was hurt, who do you look for?
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: He knew DJ Moore was there.
27:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He always went for DJ Moore in terms of the big plays that didn't always work out, but that was kind of the guy he looked at and, you know, I think it's got to be a role in that develops into that.
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think I think Rome's going to be an interesting debate and observation, you know, through training camp and obviously into the regular season and we'll kind of see, you know, who who's getting those big moments in those practices, especially joint practices, it should be, you know, really interesting this training camp.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, right now, and obviously I can be wrong, I'm looking at Odunze and I think he's a good player.
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do have concerns from what I've seen through the first two years.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Can he be the great player?
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Can he be that elite wide receiver one?
28:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said that you want your top 10 pick to be.
28:26
[SPEAKER_01]: He might be able to and I've seen a lot of people kind of looking at route trees and advanced analytics and saying, Rome's everywhere you want to be to be able to make that step and become that elite player.
28:37
[SPEAKER_01]: just from what I've seen on the field like you said there's flashes but there's also just you know there's drops there's just some maybe lacks lapses in concentration I'm not sure there's just there's something going on with Odunze that where it's just sometimes that feels just a little off and and look I agree he's important but I do think he might be more eventually kind of settling into a wide receiver tool and not a wide receiver one and obviously
29:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, let me ask you this.
29:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say that happens.
29:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Say Roman doons is that Y receiver 2.
29:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say Luther Burns, Y receiver 1.
29:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess my quote, would you consider that to be a disappointment for Roman doing that?
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would, but at the same time, I would sit there and say it absolutely works for this bearity.
29:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You had bigger expectations for Rome, but he settles into a role where he's getting eight nine hundred yards and six touchdowns with, if Colson Lovelins doing, you know, eight hundred to a thousand yards, burdens up around a thousand eleven hundred yards.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly, you're going to trio that's getting you 3,000 to 3,500 yards and maybe 20 touchdowns.
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That's more even if Rome is the third wheel of those three guys, I think that's more than enough.
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it becomes, you know, do you pay Rome a doons?
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't, you know, you have to pay Luther Bird and that will play that whole game in a couple of years.
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it can, like we did before with the completion percentage, it can be a little at both.
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It can be disappointing that Odoons, they didn't hit that ceiling you were hoping for, but it absolutely can be good enough to be effective
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and especially, you know, Luther Burns obviously had key there because, you know, you took on the second round, he fell.
30:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of people had him top 10 when the draft cycle began, according to that final season he had.
30:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it is interesting with with Rome.
30:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I go back to drop in the playoff game.
30:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe he had a drop against, did he have a drop against some raiders in the end zone or some big play?
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the stuff that you got to clean up, and you know, I'll give him a look, you know, the foot injury tried playing through it.
30:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I I get why he tried to try to play through it, but you know, I think it hampered him down the stretch.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He just did not look the same in the games he played in, and You know, his new normal, you know, the colonel put into a normal is going to be interesting to see
30:47
[SPEAKER_00]: from what I've seen out there, and again, it's not full full speed with pads.
30:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't notice anything crazy different about the footwork or plant foot or getting in a lot of his brakes, kind of looks the same to me in my opinion.
31:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll see, I think this is gonna be a big year for him.
31:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he could break out, I think Luther Bergen is gonna break out, like you said, you'll have two guys there, and of course some of them to kind of spread the football around.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and let's talk about, you know, a little bit further down the depth chart and let's talk about the wide receiver three role, which I think for this bears offense may not be quite as critical as it is for some other offenses because we know Ben's going to run 12 personnel in 13 personnel, which is only going to put one or two, you know, traditional wide receivers on the field when when they do that.
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, we know they're going to be in 11 personalities in a amount.
31:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And who is that third guy going to be?
31:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the safe money is on Cliff Raymond.
31:41
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the ties to Ben Johnson and Detroit and all.
31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But I can't not ask you about John A. Walker, because Bears fans absolutely love this guy.
31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And for good reason, at the Game Time Touchdown against the Packers, UDFA makes the team.
31:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a great story.
31:55
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a great touchdown celebration.
31:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Plenty of reasons to love John A. Walker.
31:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I
32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I love John A. Walker too, but he is going to have to make this football team again.
32:08
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no guarantee he's even going to be on the 53.
32:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Which that actually surprised me a little bit.
32:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I like a lot of bear's friends, probably just kind of, you know, put his name in pen on the 53 somewhere.
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But does John A. Walker have a shot with this wide receiver role?
32:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This third wide receiver role, Raymond, kind of what's your thoughts here?
32:26
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to save you on Thomas in a second, but what's your thoughts on those two receivers?
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you're right with Ray my I think it'll be the third guy just because he's familiar with Ben Johnson he's doing it You know, he's he's the veteran in the room.
32:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's the oldest writer's favorite in the room that they have it's him and then you know He's 31 scottie Miller's like 28 Yeah, with shot A man.
32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fun story.
32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good story He earned that roster spot with what he did But I go back to the end of the year.
32:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean he was an active for some key games and going to playoff games And that does tell you something so for me
33:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll be on the roster, but I see what Grody's saying.
33:02
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still got to earn it.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think it's a given that he makes the roster.
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a bad training camp could put him in a tough spot.
33:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Because as you know, you can get down to that 50 to 53 spot, it's a special team's matters from a lot of these guys.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I do so I think it'll be Raymond, why does he read three, I think you'll see something where you're going to keep Xavier on time is obviously and Miller Walker maybe split that four why does he read four five type spot there.
33:35
[SPEAKER_00]: with Thomas Avenue, you know, kind of a roll that, you know, who gets them playing time, but I don't think it's be a lot right away unless he, you know, impresses and can't.
33:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think Walker's got some work to do.
33:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he can kind of stroll into this camp.
33:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying, this is his mindset, but I don't think he can stroll into camp and be like, you know, I did it last year.
33:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm automatically guaranteed to spot.
33:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got a portrait again, like he did last year.
33:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I got to earn my spot.
34:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he will.
34:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything that I've seen, he works hard.
34:03
[SPEAKER_00]: in the film room, he's out there training with Caleb Williams.
34:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be a big help.
34:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it's year two.
34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: He should be better going into year two.
34:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So, he'll push for that wire so you're at the re-spot, but I'd be a little surprised if it wasn't clean for him and when we break camp.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk about Thomas, and if you, if you got anything on Sam Rausch, if not, it's no big deal.
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the tight ends, you know, we know Comet's going to be the tight end, too.
34:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Rausch is going to be tight end three.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: If Rausch looks really good as the third tight end, maybe in 2027, they start thinking about moving on from coal, but I also know how important coal is.
34:36
[SPEAKER_01]: to this entire locker room and this entire team.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think they want to keep coal around as long as possible.
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, Savion Thomas, I know a lot of people are like, oh, he's overdrafted.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a bad draft pick in the third round.
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, there's other people going, we got to trust Ben Johnson, which is absolutely fair at the same time.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know Thomas had a big player too in spring practices.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything you saw that's interesting with him or that perhaps how they were utilizing him
35:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think his hands are better than what people think.
35:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's ready to be a, you know, solidify himself as a wide receiver through just yet in the NFL.
35:17
[SPEAKER_00]: The speeds real though.
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that play took that little screen and obviously they're not tackling.
35:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So you might have gotten touched or when he coughed the ball, who knew we don't know what would have happened.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But man, when he turns it on, no one on this rock, so he's catching on like it, he is fast, like he's fast fast.
35:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they'll have a little bit of a raw, I think early on up by struggle a little bit for playing time and I could kind of see them using them, you know, that wide receiver three at times, kind of maybe stretch the field and, you know, if they can hit a play early, it gives defenses something to kind of look for, like, okay, we do have to pay attention to this guy.
35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see what this role is, you know, maybe we could see them in the back field at times, maybe, you know, kind of get them to spread out.
35:59
[SPEAKER_00]: With rouse, I think they can do a lot
36:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like we saw in that, in that Packers game where they pretty much had a goal to level it out there and they're like, we're gonna match them up with the worst defender in the field.
36:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what's going to happen.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they can look at Raul, which is maybe a red zone type guy, maybe throw the lob to at times.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe later in the season, what I've seen out there, they've lined up Thomas, primarily as the wide receiver, he's been on the outside in the inside a little bit.
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Raul, I'm trying to remember, I think there was a couple of reps, maybe he was on the outside, maybe motion them in, things like that.
36:34
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not gonna show us everything.
36:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not gonna show us a lot in training camp, a little bit of a change, but
36:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ben Johnson knows what he's doing.
36:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got a plan for both of these guys.
36:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he absolutely does as well.
36:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it'll be fun to see it develop throughout the season.
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely have some questions on the offensive line.
36:52
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll save that for the end of this part one of this podcast.
36:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to the running back room because I was a little surprised.
36:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess it's always possible.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: They could still grab someone off the scrap heap at the end of training camp or anything.
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: But
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: DeAndre Swift was a revelation last year having a great season and not just that he'd had great numbers statistically.
37:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He and I think Ben Johnson maybe inspired him to do so because we don't know exactly what the issue was in Detroit when he got said to wait a Philadelphia with Ben Johnson there as the offense coordinator.
37:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Swift ran harder than I'd ever seen like between the tackles.
37:25
[SPEAKER_01]: He was lower in his shoulder into people.
37:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He was running with purpose.
37:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I really liked that that was the best yandres.
37:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Swift I've ever seen in terms of his entire career-watching him and other teams as well.
37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kyleman-on guy obviously did a great job as the RB2.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what kind of ceiling he has.
37:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It might kind of be who he was last year.
37:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it is, that's fine.
37:45
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a great addition to this to this offense.
37:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But I did think it was interesting.
37:50
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not much behind those two.
37:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Rochon Johnson, I know he's got rolls on special teams.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's going to make this roster.
37:57
[SPEAKER_01]: He had no role in the offense last year, which surprised me.
38:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He's usually kind of like a coach's best friend kind of guy, but he clearly is falling out of favor with the offensive.
38:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, Britain Brown.
38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know what they're planning on doing it running back.
38:11
[SPEAKER_01]: If Swift gets hurt or from a non-guid gets hurt and misses a few games, it doesn't seem like they kind of have anything else there.
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, you know, with where this bear's roster has been over the years, I'm really nitpicking going sack.
38:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's who's the RB3?
38:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, Zach, who's the RB3?
38:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it's hard, man.
38:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Every day we go out there, I'm checking the roster and I'm like,
38:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, that's running bad outside of my non-guy and Swift and Roshan, like it's we know Britain Brown, but like it's guys that who is going to be if one of these guys gets hurt who's going to be?
38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and who's going to be on the practice squad?
38:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I do, I do agree.
38:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think Rochon will make the team though.
38:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to be like 52, 53.
38:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think the special team's helps.
38:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, he had no role last season.
38:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He was hurt a little bit, um, but you kind of thought, you know, short yarders down.
38:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd be the guy to come in and it just was not the case.
39:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, you know, behind Rochon, it's bright and brown, and it's Coleman Bennett.
39:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, is it a mod, it's a cell, we look at a cell van a mod, is the other guy with a cult, right?
39:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and he had, you know, he's had experience with the running backs coach.
39:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's probably between a mod and Johnson going into camp, is the running back three.
39:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're going to keep four.
39:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think, like, it's not like a, Travis Homer situation where he had very valuable special teams
39:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, man, it's going to be interesting because I do think they have a strong running back room.
39:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Swift and my non-guy are two different styles and running backs.
39:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they complement each other well.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the 12 and 13 personnel will really help both of them.
39:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, if they get into a pinch where we saw them a Cincinnati game, it was a monungai and it was Britain Brown.
39:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
39:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It was not a good scenario to be in, so I hope they avoid that.
40:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Swift, Menungai, Brown, and Pyamad.
40:05
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's move over to the offensive line here because Drew Dalman certainly threw this front office in this coaching staff, a curve ball with his surprise retirement.
40:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the bears had to kind of think fast and what what they wanted to do.
40:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they go for Garrett Bradbury and then they follow that up with Logan Jones in the draft.
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll get to left tackle here in a second because it's nice to sit there and talk about, you know, Darnell Wright, Jonah Jackson and Joe tuning go, well those, they're set.
40:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, those three positions.
40:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I sat here and I think with you and I said, I don't know about Jonah Jackson, but I was wrong.
40:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He was wrong too.
40:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He completely got back to who he was with Ben Johnson in Detroit.
40:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's start with center because the one interesting thing about Senate, like last year with left tackle, they went with Braxton Jones, didn't work.
40:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They went with Theo Benedict.
40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: They finally were over to Ozzie Trepello.
40:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they were able to just kind of make it work with whatever left tackle they thought was best there.
41:02
[SPEAKER_01]: do that at center with the quarterback and needing to make calls and needing to make sure you have that the the the the camera not the camaraderie but the connection with the quarterback.
41:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if the bears start with Bradbury they can make a move to Jones eventually if they want them to start this season but they could only do it once like they can't rush it and Jones isn't ready and then they gotta go back to Bradbury.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got to be careful with this maybe Bradbury starts for the whole year.
41:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Logan Jones is great and he wins the job coming out
41:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think this is really even more so than left tackle.
41:34
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the position for me to watch.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you make of this center if it is a competition?
41:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think going back to your first point, you know, you need that relationship with the quarterback.
41:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I like, you know, about Brad Berry, he's worked with Kirk Cousins of veteran.
41:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He's worked with a young quarterback in Trink May.
41:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he kind of understands what he needs to do to help Caleb Williams and help his offense.
41:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that was kind of the one thing with Jordan and then you really liked is he got it right with what?
42:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Um,
42:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in terms of competition, yeah, I think they're going to give Logan Jones a shot.
42:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think Bradbury is going to be a starter week one.
42:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he should be the starter week one.
42:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And they kind of go with a scenario of they, they read, they look at it at some point in the season.
42:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And if Jones is, you know, ready to go, they'll make the switch.
42:20
[SPEAKER_00]: But I can also see Bradbury taking the whole year as a starter, you know, Jones.
42:25
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good ask.
42:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the, you said, Bradbury is the starter week one.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the starter in week 14, assuming everyone's healthy?
42:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I still think I'm still going to go with Bradbury, barring in, yeah, barring in entry.
42:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say because as a rookie you're already behind.
42:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not the take any thing away from Logan Jones.
42:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd have to really make up a lot of ground in training camp.
42:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he does.
42:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think a year of him sitting, getting some reps and preseason probably has been official for him.
42:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's no question he's their center of the future.
42:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's definitely their center.
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the guy that they're going to want.
42:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to get it right.
42:58
[SPEAKER_00]: that communication is so important.
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And not only with the checks and the calls, the snaps man, I mean, how many times the Caleb's rookie sees or snaps on the ground or snaps about his head or even since 2020, the bears are struggling with that as a whole.
43:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think it will be Bradbury.
43:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's, you know, as much as New England's offensive line struggled in that Super Bowl and he struggled, I think you can get by with having him as
43:28
[SPEAKER_00]: stop cap filler right there, just plug them in for the year and then turn it over to Jones.
43:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see it being a disaster, you know, knock on wood, but yeah, I would probably imagine Brad Brazier be the guy starting week one.
43:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think it's going to be a disaster because even like Bradbury's not as good as Drew Dalman like there's definitely going to be a little bit of a step back there, but like you said he's a veteran he's worked with, you know, some some solid quarterbacks.
43:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if Bradbury is a disaster, then you do have Logan Jones there and I don't think anyone thinks Bradbury is going to be a disaster.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think it works out there, but look left tackle I think.
44:00
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears were putting it again.
44:01
[SPEAKER_01]: We said difficult spot with Drew Dalman.
44:03
[SPEAKER_01]: They were putting a difficult spot with his Aussie Trepello injury.
44:06
[SPEAKER_01]: No one really knows when he's going to be back.
44:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And when he is back, how well he's going to be able to play.
44:11
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a significant knee injury for a gigantic individual.
44:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you know, I'm right now, I'm just counting Trepello out for the year.
44:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I do expect him to be back at some point, but I just don't know if he's going to be the same guy he was in December in January.
44:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Whit coming off this knee injury, it might have to wait until 2027 for him to fully recover.
44:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So I look at this and go, the bears weren't a tough situation because they, you know, they could have maybe tried to go out and get someone like Taylor Decker on like a one-year deal and just try and really establish that and give Trapillo the year off.
44:43
[SPEAKER_01]: They decide to go with Braxton Jones because they didn't, you know, just being honest, they didn't spend a lot of money above the cap.
44:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't convert salaries to bonuses, the kind of stuff you can do.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
44:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Braxton Jones is back on the unkind of a cheap deal.
44:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Seems like Theo Bennett it is not in the left tackle position anymore.
45:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Karana Amagaji, I've written him off, but I've certainly been wrong in the past.
45:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he shows something and he's developed after a year working with Dan Rochard.
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he looks better.
45:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this just Braxton Jones's job and will see who kind of the backup left tackles?
45:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is there a competition over at the left tackle position?
45:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a competition, I don't think it's going to last too long.
45:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they want a couple weeks in the camp, they want to know who's in love to tackle.
45:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And they want someone to go win it.
45:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be Braxton Jones.
45:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the experience, I think last year, man, was kind of tough for him.
45:38
[SPEAKER_00]: He's coming off that injury that he suffered in the year before.
45:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he sees, okay, they drafted a kid.
45:46
[SPEAKER_00]: They also up the open at it.
45:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He's pretty much probably thinking his mindset like, I got to get out there.
45:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to play.
45:51
[SPEAKER_00]: If I missed drinking, I'm not going to start.
45:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he kind of, you know, I don't want to say rushed it, but he's something rushed it.
45:57
[SPEAKER_00]: He, he went out there.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he wasn't 100% and then he got injured again, late in the season, and that kind of,
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even though he was eligible to come back, he didn't play it all.
46:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I do think he'll be better this year because I think it's me fully healthy.
46:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a good deal for both sides.
46:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a low-risk move.
46:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you could have upgraded different avenues potentially, but it gets Brax in a shot to put out good tape for, potentially a future team after this year.
46:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think it's going to be a competition.
46:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he'll be short-lived.
46:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Brax will be the guy.
46:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think both will play the, I think,
46:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's, it's far as a cure on, you know, it's probably going to be your third shrinker, left tackle, maybe, you know, it gives them some work and right tackle, I don't know.
46:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Theo has pretty much been on the right side for most of the practices that I've seen.
46:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, down a little bit of work on the left side, but like I said, I think they kind of you know, potential swing option there.
46:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it's unfortunate that Asi went down because I think last year and what when January hit, I think if we did this podcast, you and I would both say they have their five offensive linemen for the future, they have it set and now, you know, going the last year, last off season,
47:13
[SPEAKER_00]: There are two biggest needs where such a left tackle and center, and it's the same thing this year.
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, it'll be interesting to kind of watch, but I think Braxton's going to go out there and win it.
47:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, give them that option, because it's important, man.
47:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very important position that they have to figure out somehow.
47:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I do want to mention Kendrick Willes here because you brought him up.
47:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's actually a great signing.
47:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, it may not matter much.
47:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a guy, he was a competent tackle for the Cleveland Browns.
47:44
[SPEAKER_01]: He was not living up to the expectations.
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was picked 9th or 10th.
47:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember exactly where he was.
47:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But he wasn't living up to those expectations.
47:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a guy who was a very good, I think, passwalker.
47:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't show as much of the run game.
47:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't have that aggression.
47:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, you know, the injuries and this all.
47:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Ironman surgery had to have maybe this is like he wants to play football and he's motivated and that's like you know This is to me.
48:06
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like Alex Leatherwood, but better because yeah, I didn't like them bringing in Leatherwood because the idea that like the salary was guaranteed I'm like why are we guaranteed this guy was terrible with the Raiders by his dry pulls guaranteeing of any money
48:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but at the same time, wills, there's, you know, there's, there's, there's, there's practically no guarantee there.
48:24
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just bring a guy in and see if he can get back to to where he was.
48:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he's not, sorry, Judric, thanks for trying and, and we'll see you later.
48:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think wills and Jones are both in interesting positions where, yeah, Bracks of Jones in less something awful happens with, um,
48:40
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... with trapezoids isn't going to be back next year but if he plays well he's got an opportunity to make maybe you know damn more of a twenty million dollars on the open market for axon joes of he plays well he can make fifteen twenty you know four million dollars a year next year yeah and that's perfect for them that's why this deal was good you know you rather have come back on on a
49:00
[SPEAKER_00]: on the deal that he got and worked with people you're familiar with and put out better tape.
49:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, with Wales, I agree.
49:07
[SPEAKER_00]: There was more good on tape than Alex Leatherwood had.
49:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you could see, you could watch some of those games with Cleveland and there's some good on that tape.
49:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the injury really
49:17
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you suffered injury like that, it put some of these guys in a spot where they've never been in their life.
49:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's all they know is football and football's taken away from you, essentially.
49:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's tough.
49:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And talk to some guys around Cleveland.
49:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of saw that.
49:31
[SPEAKER_00]: They saw like it was a tough injury from the recover from.
49:34
[SPEAKER_00]: he just can't get his mind right.
49:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see, but yeah, I think it's going to be interesting because they got a lot of good past rushers that are going up against this here, especially in their own division.
49:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have to get this figured out, but you know, our wills and in Jones, the best laugh tackles in the league.
49:52
[SPEAKER_00]: No, can you get by with them?
49:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I trust Ben Johnson to kind of make it worked.
49:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And I trust Caleb Williams is going to make it work as
50:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's talk about this offensive line briefly as a whole because by the end of last season, I wasn't watching every games, you know, all 22 to know, but this was definitely a top five unit.
50:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think arguably the best offensive line in the league.
50:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it was, but at least was in the conversation.
50:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you'll lose Drew Dalman and you'll lose Aussie Trapillo and, you know, they didn't, you know, make a big swing like Tyler Lindervom.
50:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they, you know, they, you know, they, you know, they, you know, they
50:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It is what it is here with, you know, like you think it's going to be Brad Berry and Brax and Jones.
50:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this offensive line still talented enough to be still at that level where they were at the end of last season when everything was clicking or should bears fans expect even if it's a half step backwards this year?
50:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll be a little half step backwards.
50:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to see it first to be confident that it can be top five, top 10.
50:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think we can be looking at maybe middle of the pack.
50:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to be number 20 by any means.
51:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I think worst case, if I look in at 15, 16, which is not terrible.
51:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, your Johnson wants to run
51:14
[SPEAKER_00]: and running backs can make your offensive line look better than what they are.
51:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But losing a probleur into a dominant is tough.
51:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, left tackle last year was kind of the revolving door and told you pillow came in.
51:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It could get worse left tackle.
51:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to get worse the point where it's just a nightmare in the turnstile out there.
51:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to get significantly better.
51:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think left tackle is probably the thing that holds it down.
51:44
[SPEAKER_00]: The rating of the offensive line, because I do think you're trusting Darnell Wright and two named John O'Jax.
51:50
[SPEAKER_00]: to play at a high level, but let's say Garrett Redberry plays at a high level.
51:55
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have four on your five office line playing at a high level, that's pretty darn good, as long as you can kind of mask those issues that left tackle.
52:05
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and this one can be just a quick answer, but before we start moving off the offensive line, Darnell Wright, do you expect a significant extension for him in the next four or five weeks?
52:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, I think it'd be right before the season.
52:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're like at about five weeks.
52:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be like August, like 20 second, 20 thirdish.
52:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, right after pre-season's rapping, basically.
52:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd probably say after like six weeks.
52:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they'll get something done.
52:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I think both sides are inclined to get it done.
52:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think there'll be any snags in the negotiations.
52:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Any idea, like numbers for me, I'm thinking like they're one, 20, something like that.
52:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not good with those projections.
52:44
[SPEAKER_00]: From what I've seen and Andrew Freeman did it, I think on our website where I think it's about that four, like 120, 125 is, but, you know, that's probably the going rate for a premier or a right tackle right now.
52:56
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah all right so obviously we're talking about this is a training camp preview so i think you know most NFL teams they like to in twenty five often suppliers and twenty five defense suppliers on the initial fifty three sometimes is twenty four twenty six if they got to make something work but you know that that's the idea here so if the bears go with twenty five offensive players is kind of going through what we have have talked about here over the last you know forty five fifty minutes or so yeah
53:22
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got I think they're going to keep 10 offensive linemen.
53:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, you know, we know if the five starters you named Logan Jones, either I'm a Godgier wills, I think at left tackle.
53:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they'll keep Newman and McFad and who they clearly like and they started them in a playoff game.
53:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Theo Benedict is your backup right tackle.
53:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they just go 10 there.
53:42
[SPEAKER_01]: If they do 10 there, they keep their three tight ends, that's 13.
53:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You suggested that probably they keep three running backs, that's 16.
53:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you keep the quarterbacks, three of those, that's 19.
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's clearly five wide receivers.
53:59
[SPEAKER_01]: If John A. Walker doesn't need to make the roster, five wide receivers, that's 24.
54:04
[SPEAKER_01]: which leaves them an open spot.
54:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they'd keep an 11th offense of Lyman.
54:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they're not keeping a fourth quarterback.
54:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So it leaves a spot in Zach for one skill position player.
54:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a fourth tight end with Steven Carlson?
54:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Scotty Miller?
54:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Britain Brown?
54:19
[SPEAKER_01]: If Zach Pearson here in July before training camp opens, had to try and predict the 25th player on the offense.
54:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we're already keeping three running backs.
54:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So Rochon is already on the roster.
54:31
[SPEAKER_01]: If that's the case.
54:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the 25th guy?
54:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you say five water severs?
54:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, five water severs is 24.
54:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have Thomas Walker, Raymond, Odunze, and Bergen.
54:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it would be a water sever.
54:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably like Scotty Miller.
54:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and probably go Scotty Miller.
54:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, yeah, probably Scotty Miller boring.
54:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
54:55
[SPEAKER_00]: barring a surprise someone, you know, like maybe Malik or Marie Selig's hander or Marie Kelly, maybe could push for a spot, but I probably think it'd be Scotty Miller, if they go for a running back, so I might make a push or Britain Brown's got experience, but I'd say six wide receivers I'd go Scotty Miller.
55:15
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and last one for you here, and then we'll wrap up this part one of the podcast, the offense as a whole.
55:22
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about Ben Johnson, we've talked about all the position
55:26
[SPEAKER_01]: This offense, ceiling floor in terms of kind of their NFL, you know, whatever doesn't matter, DVOA points yards.
55:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care, but let's that general consensus, where is the ceiling for where this offense can be ranked?
55:39
[SPEAKER_01]: This season amongst NFL teams, where's the floor and where in between do you think this team ends up?
55:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think ceiling top five offense.
55:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think we saw last year what they were second or third run in run offense.
55:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Think the passing game will take a step forward.
55:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they could be their ceiling top four five offense.
55:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Floor, top 10 offense.
56:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it tops 10 12.
56:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to imagine they're not gonna be a top two offense.
56:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You're shocked if they were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a wonderful thing to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a top 12 top 10.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's kind of fair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what was the last part of that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like, and where do you think they actually fall in between you said top four versus top 10?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you think they actually end up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably 70.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, for all in terms of like points for game yards for game things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is our look on the offense with Zach Pearson of Bear Report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to be back one week from today with part two of this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, that's going to focus on the defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zach, thanks for so much time and we'll talk to you next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much, man.
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