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Episode 5: O Canada, Point Guards and Bonus Episode Fallout! · Spiders Sound Off

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  Hey everybody. Welcome back to Spider.
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  Sound off. This is Tom.
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  And this is Porter. We are doing Episode 5 and we've
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  got a few different topics we're going to focus on today.
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  We'll do some updates some of what's going on in the last
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  couple weeks in Spider World. We'll talk about Porter's trip
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  to Canada and do a little Spider Basketball Canada version and
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  we're going to end with a little debate on who's the best point
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  guard in Spider history. It's.
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  Going to be fun but first time. Before we start, I need to talk
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  to you about the bonus episode that was released earlier this
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  week. I'm sure you got some great
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  feedback for me. Let's hear it.
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  I do have some feedback for you so from many different sources.
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  Here are a couple of the highlights.
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  Disappointing, self indulged and not consistent with the trust
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  you are building with your fans. That's nice.
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  So let me make a point here. This was a bonus episode so we
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  only got 20 minutes out in episode 4 and I gave 5 if you
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  clue the song, 7 minutes of bonus material.
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  I I put the time and energy into creating bonus material.
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  You don't have to listen to bonus material if it ever comes
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  out again. Maybe you, maybe you.
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  Those that think I did something awful can ignore it.
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  But now I need to say that feedback all came from your mom,
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  Tom. Yes.
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  Yeah, yeah, right. But again, we're going from
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  Episode 4 to now, Episode 5. We're back on basketball.
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  Folks, that bonus was just special.
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  And if you haven't heard the bonus yet, you're missing out.
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  It could be one of the greatest stories ever told.
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  It is a story that resonates with you, myself, and the
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  aforementioned D Hall. Yes.
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  So let's talk about what's going on in the Spider verse.
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  We have some news on the Spider forum.
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  Yeah, Spider. Nation.com is back up.
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  A couple of really good technical alumni have recreated
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  the Spider Nation message board. So the Reddit board, which was a
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  nice place to go while we were without a board, I think is now
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  has been consolidated into this new board called Spider Nation
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  dot community dot forum. That's the URL Spider Nation dot
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  community dot forum. And so for your really deep
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  fans, the folks that really go deep in the program, you now
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  have a place to go talk about all things Spider Sports.
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  And if I remember correctly it went to Reddit and that was the
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  what you called the splinter group, is that correct?
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  Yeah, that was that was a misspeak on my.
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  That was a misspeak on my part. It was not a splinter group.
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  It was just a place to go in the meantime until we figured out
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  what the message board strategy was.
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  What's great about the new board is that a volunteer of Spider,
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  alum volunteer basically put all the work into creating a board.
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  Looks just like the old one. There's a women's basketball
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  section. Yeah, they break out the men's
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  basketball board from the women's basketball board from
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  the football and then they have lacrosse, baseball and other
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  sports and it's really well done.
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  I mean, it almost feels like exactly like the board that we
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  we lost when rivals got acquired.
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  So it's it's really good. I mean, there's there's a lot of
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  threads, I mean a lot. You'll get a lot of information
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  out there, you know, because the the people who follow the
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  program the closest are out there all the time posting, so
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  it's always just a great place to go and dialogue about all
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  things Spider. Sports and everything is always
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  positive on the message board, right Porter?
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  Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I'd say that is depending on the
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  the person who's reading it. I would say, you know, sometimes
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  you know, your most passionate fans, the people that are the,
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  the most, that care the most about the program, you know,
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  we'll, we'll express their opinions.
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  So you'll get some, you'll get some strong opinions about, you
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  know, all things spider sports out there.
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  But the key is it's a great place for community to be built.
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  It's it's anytime you're building community around the
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  program that we all care about. That's helpful.
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  And so, yeah, I'd say go out there, spend some time, join the
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  board, voice your opinion, make sure it's heard.
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  It is a great place to to just to just gather as a fan and, and
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  and talk all things spider sports.
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  So moving on to another topic, we talked in a prior episode
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  about season tickets and what would change with pricing,
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  potentially with the need for some more fundraising to help
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  pay our players. I know there's been some
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  updates, right Porter? Yeah, so I got my I got my, my
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  season ticket invoice for the ladies program.
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  Really good value for this. So my 2 tickets, my invoices for
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  two tickets for $120.00. I called the ticket office and
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  asked them just because I told him I was going to podcast about
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  this. What I was told is the range is
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  between 50 and $70 depending on what category you fall into per
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  season ticket. Now, to do the quick math, guys
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  and gals, there are probably between 15 and 20 home games.
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  So you're talking about, let's say there's 1718 games.
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  You're talking about $3 a game to have a, to have a season
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  ticket to one of the best teams in the country.
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  So it, it's value, whether it's $70.00 or $50 is unmistakable.
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  It isn't. It's a screaming value on how to
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  use your time. You don't pay for parking.
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  It's just. It's just.
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  Awesome. Now it's general admission,
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  right? All the tickets are.
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  Yeah, so, so my tickets have a row and seat number.
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  I called and asked that too. They said no, you can sit
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  anywhere. The other cool thing that they
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  told me was you can actually request to sit on the floor.
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  It used to be, I think you could sit on the floor if you had
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  general admission tickets. Now they're going to, they see
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  that as a additional value they're adding.
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  So I you can talk to the ticket office if you want to sit on the
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  floor. You can't get any more immersive
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  in your college basketball experience than that.
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  You can do that. You have to just pay a little
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  bit extra. But I mean, we're talking
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  pennies on the dollar compared to what that's worth.
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  So if you have ever dreamed about sitting on the floor, you
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  could actually do that for a top 25 team in America by just
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  calling up the ticket office right now and and asking for a
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  floor seat. See what you get.
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  And on the men's side, I know where you do have to pay for
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  parking. That parking pass went from 175
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  to 200. And there was also an increase,
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  at least for my season tickets, where we sit about a 12%
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  increase in tickets, but it is less per game because we're
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  going up from 15 to 18 home. Games.
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  More games equals more value. So it sounds like they tried to
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  keep the prices really the same, which is great.
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  Right. Yep.
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  And pricing has gone up in the past too.
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  So I think when you're seeing a 12% increase in pricing, like
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  that's hard to put that on anything that's changed in
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  college basketball financially, Yeah, things cost more and
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  prices have gone up before, right, when it comes to.
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  Pricing, right? I mean, you figure, you know,
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  the cost of the program for especially on the ladies side
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  had to go up pretty substantially to keep the, the,
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  the, the players that we have as well as retain our awesome
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  coach, our, I'll say our awesome coaching staff on the women's
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  side. So the fact that Richmond did
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  such a wonderful job of not jacking up the prices super
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  high, I think that's actually good.
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  And in other news, sticking on the women's side, you may have
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  seen Rachel Ahlstrom in the news first.
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  She got selected to three on three to three on three
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  representing the USA in the FIBA tournament.
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  That first, even the selection was, was great because that
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  meant that she was going to be practicing and playing with kind
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  of super talented women like herself.
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  They were declared champions. I'll admit, I try to understand
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  more about 3:00 and 3:00 and it's hard.
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  There's, you know, stop two, stop four, stop six.
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  I'm not sure what all that means, but in the long run, the
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  USA women's team won. They were declared champions and
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  from my understanding, they by doing that, they've moved on to
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  the kind of final round, which is at the end of September.
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  I think the 17th to the 30th is the entire window.
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  And it's in China. So I do not know what that
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  means. Is it the same roster or kind of
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  how does that work? I mean, these are all I think, I
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  think on the women's side, they were all college players.
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  Maybe there was one graduate. But anyway, some more news to
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  come. It's it's exciting that she's
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  got to play with elite talent and travel and, you know, add
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  that to kind of what what she was able to accomplish this
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  summer. We haven't talked a lot about
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  Olstrom yet in our previous 4 episodes, but what I'll tell the
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  folks who may not be as familiar with the ladies program.
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  Rachel Olstrom is one of, if not the best 3 point shooter in the
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  history of Richmond college basketball, men or women's.
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  She last year in a game against Oakland hit 11/3 pointers.
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  That's out of like, I think a total of 14 shots.
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  She did that to set the school record in a, in a game we won,
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  but we won handily. But if you give Rachel any space
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  behind a three-point line, she's going to make you pay.
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  And so to have a chance to watch her one more season play with
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  Maggie, they play a great, you know, two person game where
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  there's a lot of give and go, a lot of pick and roll.
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  They just seem to anticipate where each other are going to be
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  and you add an Alley Sweeney, who's, you know, an up and
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  coming star for Richmond basketball.
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  It's going to be great. It's going to be a special year.
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  We're going to do a women's episode for you here in the not
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  too distant future to talk about the roster on that side.
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  But you got to get out and see Rachel while she's still here.
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  We got one more year of her. We got Maggie for one more year.
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  It is just that. It's just that good.
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  So you got to go out and see it. And last bit of news we'll cover
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  here gets into the financial side.
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  As we talked about a couple episodes, there's a lot of noise
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  as to what's going on. You know, we know there was the
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  the settlement, the NCAA settlement with former players
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  that led to universities being able to pay their players.
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  Since that episode, just recently actually, there was a
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  Trump executive order that was tied to college sports.
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  I think it was someone from the athletics said that that could
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  have been written by the NCAA. So there wasn't really anything
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  new in that. It was more an attempt to codify
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  what the settlement was intended to do.
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  There's also been some clarification on what the
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  collectives can do. First it came out that they
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  weren't allowed to pay players. They can only help coordinate
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  pay for players from for profit companies.
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  That's changed. They are allowed to pay.
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  That just came out a couple days ago.
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  So for name which would likeness, the collectives are
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  still around. Again, it still has to be for
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  profit businesses. It's gonna have to be fair
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  market value. So those are all things that
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  came out of the settlement. So a lot of noise, but in the
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  long run, kind of every so far, everything we said in episode 2
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  is still holding true. There will be more noise.
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  So this topic is far from over. The excellent episode 2 for
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  sure. So, Porter, you just were in
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  Canada. Why don't you tell us a little
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  bit about your trip, you know what you what you love, things
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  you learn, and then we can talk about some of our prior Spider
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  players and maybe some current Spider players from Canada.
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  Despite, you know, misperception.
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  So I'm not actually actively recruiting for the university as
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  this is a fan based podcast. But that doesn't mean that I,
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  you know, didn't appreciate and I don't appreciate the wonderful
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  heritage of players that Richmond has yielded from
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  Canada. But a couple fun facts about
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  Canada for the listener. Number one, it's the longest
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  coastline in the world. Canada spans 3 different oceans,
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  touches 3 different oceans. So it is a big, big country.
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  They have more freshwater than any other country in the world,
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  more lakes than any other country in the world.
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  Most of the population lives close to the the border with the
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  United States. But the probably the most
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  impressive and important thing in relation to this podcast
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  about Canada is we would not have the game of basketball
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  without the country of Canada. And that is because James
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  Naismith, the founder of basketball, was a Canadian
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  physical education instructor born in Canada.
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  So we owe basketball to the Canadians, at least one of them,
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  and that makes it really relevant to what Tom and I are
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  doing here today. Yeah, that's right.
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  Well, let's talk about our players that are from Canada.
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  Some were recruited from US schools, but they grew up in
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  Canada and some were recruited directly in Canada.
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  We've decided to try to rank these players.
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  I think we came up with six total players who grew up in
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  Canada or played in Canada. And if we end up being wrong
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  about that, please let us know. That's what we found.
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  And we're going to rank the top three.
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  So we've got an honorable mention category where kind of
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  this is in no particular order. And then we'll go through our
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  top three. And again, for missing somebody,
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  we apologize. Give us that feedback.
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  Also, if you've got a different ranking, we'd love to hear.
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  But in terms of honorable mention, we'll start with
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  current freshman. We have Dylan Hominek.
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  Yeah. From British Columbia, we we
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  talked a little bit about him in episode 3 on what we saw or was
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  it Episode 4 what we saw from him in practice?
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  Yeah, we're excited to see what, what the future holds for this
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  young man. He's he could be a a really good
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  player. And also in that honorable
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  mention category, Matt Grace. Matt is interesting because what
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  will go down in the lore of Spider basketball as hitting one
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  of the biggest shots in our history?
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  If you guys remember this 2022, the Atlantic 10 championship
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  game against Davidson, we're down to points, 19 seconds left,
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  pass it in the mat, he turns guy cuts him off.
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  He kind of goes right through the guy, but the guy was still
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  moving. So it was a foul and the
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  defender hits the layup, makes the and one shot puts us up.
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  One gives Andre the goose goose to send a chance to make a
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  really nice defensive play to closeout the game.
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  And the Spiders win the Atlantic 10 title in advance to the NCAA
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  tournament. Yep, and that.
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  Was I guess, I think it's junior year and then a senior year was
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  the first year he was a starter. Grant had graduated and he, you
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  know, got his chance to to be a starter for us.
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  And then also honorable mention, I think the the best name of all
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  of our Canadian players is Francis Cedric Motel.
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  Yeah, Great role player for Richmond.
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  FCM played, you know, it was kind of a glue guy.
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  Played a lot of different, filled a lot of different needs
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  on those teams between 2009, 2012.
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  So, Francis, Cedric Martel, Yeah.
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  OK, so let's get into the top three #3 we have the 2006
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  graduate Jermaine Buckner. Buckner, the first Canadian
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  recruit that we could find, so he opened the pipeline for us.
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  So actually recruited by John Beeline back in 2001, played
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  for, really had connections to all three coaches at the time.
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  Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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  So he played for Wainwright for three years and then his senior
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  year was Mooney's first year. And we had, we've talked about
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  him already on this podcast. It's funny, we're on episode 5
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  and it's the second Buckner reference, but he was a a great
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  forward for us and you know, was averaged double digits his
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  senior year at Richmond #2 is current Spider junior point
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  guard Mckell Time. Yeah.
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  I mean, Mikkel, Tyne is a, is, is a, is a good player.
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  I think when we talked about how to how to rank between Tyne and
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  Buckner, you came up with the point that that Tyne is only two
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  years into his career and he's had numbers wise in those first
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  two years to Buckner's first two years.
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  So is this somewhat based on potential what we think Tyne
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  could be? I think we're excited to see
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  what Tyne's going to bring this. Year and the number one player
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  from Canada is 22 grad Nathan Kayo.
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  Yeah, I mean, you guys, everybody remembers Nathan Kayo,
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  remembers how good he was probably, statistically
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  speaking, not a top five power forward for Richmond.
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  But like if you saw him in certain games, you would say
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  that was the best player on the floor.
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  I'll give you a couple places where he really shined back in
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  November of 2020, we played Kentucky on the road in Kentucky
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  and everybody thought, you know, there's no way that Richmond's
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  going to beat Kentucky on their home floor.
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  But Nathan KO man looked like the best big man in the game.
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  In that game. He scored 18 points against
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  them. They could not stop him.
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  And we we won the game pretty handily 7664.
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  And I just remember saying, wow, if KO is this good, we're going
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  to be really, really tough to beat this year.
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  The other thing was the the big game against Iowa in the
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  tournament. Yeah, I mean, the upset over
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  Iowa, he was a big part of that. Scored 15 points, most of that
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  in the second-half. Hit a big hit, hit a couple and
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  ones in the final minutes to. To seal it and what's
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  interesting, you look at KO stats, I'm just kind of scanning
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  them now like, you know, he couldn't, he was not a
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  three-point shooter. He didn't get to the foul line a
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  lot. But his field goal percentage is
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  insane. It's, you know, over 50% didn't
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  play much as freshman year, but those other three years his
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  field goal percentage is, is incredible.
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  So when he went to the basket, he scored and has been a was a
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  great spider for us and. And I think he's playing
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  professionally in Canada right now.
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  So he's continued his basketball career.
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  Just a, just a great guy to watch.
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  And if you could have, if you could have a power forward every
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  year like KO playing for your team, I think you'd you'd sign
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  up and say yes to that right now.
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  A footnote too on Buckner. I forgot to mention he's an
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  assistant coach with the Charlotte Hornets.
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  So like a lot of Spider players who didn't have NBA careers,
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  they find themselves kind of in the NBA.
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  He was a coach for the Celtics at some point to an assistant
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  so. Yeah, You know, you don't think
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  the other fun thing about Buckner.
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  So when I was in Canada, we ended our trip in Calgary and
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  Calgary is pretty far north. I mean, it's significantly north
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  of of the border and most of the places in Canada were more
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  familiar with like Ottawa and in Toronto and things like that.
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  But Bucker played, he grew up in Edmonton and Edmonton's two
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  hours north of Calgary. And so played for a small,
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  played for a small high school here in Edmonton.
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  And I keep thinking to myself, you know, what must the winters
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  have been like when he was playing basketball in high
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  school, that was that was really cold up there.
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  So just a fun fact. Yeah, hopefully there was a nice
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  heated indoor gym. Yeah, I'm sure you spent a lot
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  of time in the gym because you didn't want to spend it outside.
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  Now let's go on and talk about who we would rank as the top
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  point guard of all time. This is a tough one, Tom, Really
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  tough. And, and how we define who's top
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  or who's the greatest. We're going to look at and and
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  talk about their stats, kind of how did they perform in terms of
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  assists, points, etcetera. We'll talk about awards kind of
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  where they got extra recognized. Yeah.
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  Where where'd they get that recognition you got to?
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  Have third parties. You got to have postseason in
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  here, too. And then, yes, that's right.
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  And three is just how did the team do?
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  So the team needs to do well and that's got to include some sort
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  of postseason success. So kind of that's how we looked
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  at it. Porter, I'm going to put you on
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  the spot first. Who do you believe is the best
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  all time point guard at the University of Richmond?
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  And to to be fair, you're only giving me one that I can say is
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  the best. I'm not allowed to give you a
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  tie. So I looked at a lot.
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  I looked at 11 different players.
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  I really dug deep. I mean, I, I went all the way
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  back into the 1960s, came up with some really deserving
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  names. I mean, you know, you got great,
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  great guards like Greg Beckwith and Jacob Gilliard and Kenny
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  Atkinson, all who were right there in my top five.
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  But the number one overall in the history.
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  If you if I can only pick one for me, it's Kevin Anderson.
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  Kevin played for us from 2007 to 2011, played point guard most of
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  his time here. He was an incredible scorer,
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  second all time in points with 21165 points.
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  He won 810 player of the year in 2010, which is a really big
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  thing. He won 810 freshman of the year
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  in 2008, the Atlantic 10 tournament MVP.
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  Back in 2011, he was two time first team All Atlantic, 10:10
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  and 11:00. He was a an AP honorable mention
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  for All American back in 2010. He led us to the postseason
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  Sweet 16 run, that magical run where we beat Vanderbilt in
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  Morehead State. And he had a big shot at the end
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  of. That game, yeah, in the about 19
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  seconds left in the Vanderbilt game, for sure, he was known to
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  be a clutch performer. I mean, I think when we talked
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  to Coach Mooney a couple weeks back, even coach said, you know,
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  he's one of those confident players he's ever had.
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  You know, he just was the kind of guy that wanted the ball in
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  his hand when the game was on the line.
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  Beyond scoring, though, he was. He was in the top five for
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  assists and steals at Richmond. Of course, his number has been
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  retired #14 hangs in the rafters.
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  So it's a big, big honor to to, to get, you know, just the
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  combination of all those factors was why I nudged him out over
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  Kenny Atkinson, Greg Beckwith and Jacob Gilliard.
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  Yeah, it is a tough one, and it's hard to argue against Kevin
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  Anderson. I'll tell you as I did my own
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  research. I picked someone that wasn't
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  even in your top five. What shock?
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  This is not. This is not.
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  Something's happening here. OK, so the best point guard that
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  we've ever had at the University of Richmond is Pam Bryant.
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  Oh, OK, Wait a minute. Time out.
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  Time out. You didn't tell me we were.
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  We were covering the ladies. Program, this is best point
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  guard conversation. So let let me talk about Pam
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  Bryant now. She was at U of R from 86
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  through 90. So our freshman year, she was
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  there. I'll, I'll be the first to admit
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  I did not go to a women's game my freshman year.
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  So I you can go. To a lot of classes either.
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  Oh, that is not true. Remember, my parents might be
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  listening. But anyway, so she was a, you
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  know, four year player at at U of R to give you a little
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  context, 2 years before she got there, our team went 8 and 20.
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  And then the year before was when we hired a new coach,
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  Stephanie Gately, and the team went 7 and 21 in her first year
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  as coach, but she did recruit Pam Bryant.
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  So this is how the team did the next four years.
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  Freshman year they went 13 and 15, sophomore 21 and eight, then
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  24, nine, and then 25 and five. Now, of course she's one player.
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  Like what was her part on that team?
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  Well, her freshman year she was CA Rookie of the year.
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  Her sophomore year she was second team, All CAA and All
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  Defensive Team. Her junior year she was CA
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  Player of the year and All Defensive team.
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  Her senior year she was CAA Player of the year, All
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  Defensive team, CAA tournament team, won the tournament MVP and
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  took the Spiders to their first NCAA game in history.
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  Points wise her she scored 10 her freshman year average per
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  game she scored 13 her sophomore, 17 1/2 as a junior,
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  17.3 as a senior. Again two time CAA player of the
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  year. She also had her has her name
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  and and number in the rafters at U of R and was also named to the
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  CAA's 25th anniversary women's basketball team.
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  So over the 25 years when they did that, I think in 2009, 2010,
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  she was considered one of the top players ever in the CAA.
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  So maybe it's a little bit of a curveball.
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  Yeah, definitely it it it was fun to research Pam because I
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  did never saw her play. I mean if.
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  You're going to go to the ladies, You got to talk about
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  Bell Kaklanis. She had an incredible career at
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  Richmond. You know, there's just a lot of
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  great point guards on on both sides of the of the both teams,
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  men's and women's. And the one thing that's kind of
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  like just an interesting note on Pam Bryant is that she married
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  Brian Jordan. Great.
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  One of the greatest sport college athletes of all time.
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  Yeah. And well, pro athletes too,
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  Yeah. And the grand scheme of things,
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  but yeah, the that's kind of a super couple at U of R if you
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  don't remember, Brian Jordan, he played baseball at U of R He
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  played football at U of R He then played he played baseball
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  primarily for the Cardinals and some for the Braves, and then
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  played in the NFL for the Falcons, I think.
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  Yeah. So.
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  And one of only like a handful of people to ever have done
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  that, played a played on a pro team in two different sports, I
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  mean. Yeah, that's right.
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  Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Brian Jordan, they were kind of all
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  contemporaries. Just to give you a few of the
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  other names that I considered just because I want people to
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  know that we didn't forget about him.
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  I mean, said Lindsay. You know, loved him.
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  Probably on the top five for me if he doesn't get injured senior
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  year. Kendall Anthony, great, great,
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  great point guard for us. Jonny Moats back in the 1960s,
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  drafted into the NBA, averaged 25 a game one year.
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  Definitely would be in the conversation.
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  Shaundre Jones, kind of think of him still as more of a #2 than a
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  number one guard, but you know, definitely a top ten.
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  You know, at that at the point if we consider him there.
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  These are just a few of the names.
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  Carlos Cueto, Scott Unger, you know, just some great names out
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  there, folks that that that played the point position for
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  Richmond. Well, we'd love to get your
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  feedback. Did we miss somebody?
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  Who would you put as #1? How crazy am I to see Pam Bryant
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  as the greatest point guard ever then?
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  If they find you crazy, they can answer to Brian Jordan.
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  Anyway, we're running out of time, so I think we're going to
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  wrap up here. Hope you enjoyed Episode 5.
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  Absolutely. This is Tom signing off.
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  See you. Sound off spider sound.
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