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6-25 H2: Tom Dundon or Clay Bennett? Textline and Analytics, Ian Furness · The Gregg Bell Show

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the funky portion of the Greg Bell
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Show Anderson Hurston. Today, we're getting funky with the music
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  Speaker 1: here Thursday. Pretty good for a dad of a four
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  Speaker 1: month old. Good job, appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: What do you expect baby music? What's that supposed to be?
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: Baby? What would baby music? One month old music would
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  Speaker 1: be like Lula by.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea, yeah, something like that. He's too
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  Speaker 3: young for blue right, yes, thank god?
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I think he watches on my TV as sports right now.
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  Speaker 1: Good for him.
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  Speaker 3: Every single time the World Cup his game is on.
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  Speaker 3: I pop him right in front of it. I sat
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  Speaker 3: on the couch. We watched together.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of powder blue and white stripes in his life, yes, well,
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: and a lot of green for the soccer field too.
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  Speaker 1: Does he have an Argentine jersey? Does he have a
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: messy jersey?
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  Speaker 3: He has an Argentina jersey, and he has a USA jersey.
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: He got gifted that when he was born, one for
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  Speaker 3: each of his parents.
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  Speaker 1: For those that don't know, Anderson Hurst married to a
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  Speaker 1: native Argentinian. Yes, wedding was in Argentina. Yep. They are
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  Speaker 1: going to be glued to their sets all the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the tournament. Because the Argentina is going to be
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  Speaker 1: playing for most of it, if not all of it, hope,
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's a given.
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  Speaker 2: What if USA plays Argentina, wow stage game? That would
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  Speaker 2: be crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Is it possible? There's there's Is it possible they play
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  Speaker 1: Argentina in the around a sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: Years No, I think they're on opposite side of the
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  Speaker 3: bracket to be completely honest, So they would have to
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  Speaker 3: face in the final, which could happen.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go, come on.
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  Speaker 1: If you missed it. The United States if they win
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  Speaker 1: the round the thirty two match, which most likely almost
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine percent chance is going to be against Bosnia
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  Speaker 1: hers Guvina July first against in Santa Clara, will play
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  Speaker 1: here in Seattle July sixth. The winner Bosnia hers Agovina
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  Speaker 1: in the United States July one, we'll play here round
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  Speaker 1: the sixteen, July sixth, at Lumenfield to get into the quarterfinals.
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  Speaker 1: The United States just and do that. That's just doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: But they also don't win their first two great group
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  Speaker 1: stage matches.
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  Speaker 3: And for those who are really planning ahead, if you're
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  Speaker 3: looking at that round of sixteen game as of now,
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  Speaker 3: the other round of thirty two game that would play
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  Speaker 3: the winner of the US versus Bosnia is Egypt and
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  Speaker 3: South Korea right now, so whoever wins that game would
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  Speaker 3: play the United States in Seattle. If the United States wins,
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  Speaker 3: of course that's now.
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  Speaker 1: That can change tomorrow can absolutely Belgium wins.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I said as of now correct, Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Belgium wins, and say Iran and in Egypt tie. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: at eight pm they're gonna play at the same time
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow eight pm tonight Tomorrow night in Seattle is when
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  Speaker 1: Egypt and Irana playing Egypt wins, they win the group. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: by virtue of Belgium just steps.
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  Speaker 2: They stuck this year.
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  Speaker 3: WHOA. I was talking about this with Brad Evans last night,
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  Speaker 3: who was doing the broadcast with me.
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  Speaker 2: We did the Mexico Chechia game.
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to think of teams that have like
• 2:53
  Speaker 3: the big teams that have because almost every World Cup
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  Speaker 3: there's a big team that really underperforms, and there really
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  Speaker 3: hasn't been one. The only one I could think of
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  Speaker 3: was Belgium, and I don't even really consider them one
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  Speaker 3: of the big teams. We're talking like that, the Germany, France, England, slowly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah they did, but they both looked fine in their
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  Speaker 3: second game. It's all again, it's all about their third game.
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  Speaker 3: But we'll see what ends up happening. But an opposite
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  Speaker 3: with England, they look really good first game, it's off
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  Speaker 3: in the second game against Ghana. So I mean, there
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  Speaker 3: are a couple of teams that haven't looked as convincing
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  Speaker 3: as you would have liked. But I one of the
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  Speaker 3: great parts about this tournament is all the stars are
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  Speaker 3: showing up and all the teams are playing well, and
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  Speaker 3: it should be an absolute just fantastic knockout stage.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be so much fun.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: Anderson Hurst are soccer around with soccer fan player and everything.
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: Uh in a distribute. In my other job, I wrote
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: a story yesterday published yesterday morning about the Seahawks not
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: even being favored to win their own division, let the
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: long return to the Super Bowl because of the Rams.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, Vegas Insider the Seahawks with the fourth best
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: Dodgs to win Super Bowl sixty one, also behind the
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens and Buffalo bill What. Yeah, Now you know.
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  Speaker 1: Professional athletes love this. They love slights, They love any
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  Speaker 1: chip on shoulders. They can find they go make them
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  Speaker 1: up somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: When's the last time of defending Super Bowl champion? Who
• 4:18
  Speaker 3: take away the fact that they're bringing back almost their
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  Speaker 3: entire team, when's the last time they were this not
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  Speaker 3: favored him?
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  Speaker 1: I would probably say that two thousand Baltimore Ravens off
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  Speaker 1: at Trent Dilfer. Yeah, that would be my guess off
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: the top of my head. Which happens to be the
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: last Super Bowl champion featured on Hard Knocks. That was
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: the first Hard Knocks episode, right, and now twenty six
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  Speaker 1: years later, the Seahawks will do the same as defending champions.
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  Speaker 1: So I was talking about how people, the professional sports
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: athletes love to seek chips on their shoulders and motivation
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  Speaker 1: they manufactured. They just make it up. Well, they're not
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  Speaker 1: making it up. In Seahawks headquarters. Letter Williams was one
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  Speaker 1: of the players last week at the mini camp who said, yeah,
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: we noticed that the Rams are favorite by everybody and
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: getting all the love this offseason. That's, of course the
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett acquiring him and getting Trent McDuffie and paying
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: him the highest cornerback salary there is. Of course, they
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  Speaker 1: lost Jared Verse in that this is what Lennard Williams
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  Speaker 1: said quote, I think I'd be lying if I said
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't a little extra motivation from hearing that type
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  Speaker 1: of stuff being about the Rams being the favorites. There's
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  Speaker 1: a little extra chip on our shoulder. You know, we
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: just came off a Super Bowl winning season and people
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  Speaker 1: are still giving other people as favorites over us. I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you this, the Seahawks coaches spent a lot
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: of time Seahawk Ram games weeks, the offensive coaches game
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: planning on how to block an account for Jared Verse,
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that the Rams had to give up
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: Jared Verse to the Browns to get Miles Garrett is
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  Speaker 1: not lost in renting. They understood that. Yes, the Rams
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  Speaker 1: got better with Miles Garrett, but they got worse losing
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  Speaker 1: Jared Verse, and that was a big part of the
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks game plan. So, yes, the Rams probably gained on that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you can make the argument, and I
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  Speaker 1: did in my story in the News Tribune the Seahawks
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  Speaker 1: defense overall is still better than the Rams, and they
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: have a quarterback the Rams do it thirty eight. Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Stafford is no guarantee he's going to have another MVP
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  Speaker 1: type season because he may not stay healthy. You'll start
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: getting to be thirty eight years old and you're one
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  Speaker 1: hit from not playing, and then what happens. So there
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: are yes on paper, But how many people win the
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: offseason and then don't do squad in the playoff in
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: the regular season. Happens all the time, all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Why the games aren't in June and April and March.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, the story is that the Rams are the favorites.
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  Speaker 1: The Seahawks notice it. The Seahawks are playing it with
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  Speaker 1: a chip on the should especially the veterans. And this
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  Speaker 1: will be talked about all summer, including on Hard Knocks.
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  Speaker 1: You'll watch it on your televisions. They'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: And Jared Vers leaving the Rams was a big deal
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  Speaker 1: for the Seahawk. They are glad to get him out
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: of the NFC West, in the NFC as a whole.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: That stories at the neews Tribune dot com. Andrews when
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: I came in this morning, alerted me to the story
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  Speaker 1: out of Portland that Tom Dundon, the Carolina Panthers Stanley
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: Cup winning owner also now the new owner of the
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: Portland Trail Blazers, wants a new arena. He wants a
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  Speaker 1: six hundred million dollar new arena. He wants to pay
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: exactly zero dollars and no more cents for that arena.
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  Speaker 1: He wants it to be private. If I'm misrepresenting the story,
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  Speaker 1: tell me he wants it to be entirely publicly funded
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  Speaker 1: in Oregon. Yeah, does he know where he is? If
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  Speaker 1: anyone's been to Portland once, you would realize that that
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  Speaker 1: ain't gonna fly. No for an envy for a basketball
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  Speaker 1: team at Portland. I know the Blazers in their history
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  Speaker 1: in Rip City and Bill Walton, Yes, I know all
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  Speaker 1: of that, but it's fricking Portland, Oregon. There is no
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  Speaker 1: way that, no way that the people in the government
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  Speaker 1: and the elect officials and anybody is going to go
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: for an entirely publicly funded arena. And let's face it,
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Rose Garden isn't the greatest arena in
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  Speaker 1: the world, but any motor it's the Moda Center Now.
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  Speaker 1: I know it used to be the Rose Garden, I
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: called the Rose. It's a great place to watch a
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: basketball game. I've covered NCAA tournament games in there. It
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  Speaker 1: is great. It's cool, it's not ancient and decrepit and
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  Speaker 1: needing ripped up. In fact, last time I was there,
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  Speaker 1: the Memorial Coliseum still exists next door because the winter Hawks,
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  Speaker 1: the minor league team, were playing it right, so they went.
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  Speaker 1: So if Tom Dundon gets his way, let's get this straight,
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  Speaker 1: the city of Portland would have the Memorial Coliseum with
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  Speaker 1: the winter Hawks play next door to the Rose Garden
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  Speaker 1: Moda Center where the Blazers just moved out of. To
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: move into a third arena that would cost six hundred
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  Speaker 1: million dollars and the owner may pays none of it.
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  Speaker 3: So let me slightly adjust that. This is to renovate
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  Speaker 3: the Moda Center. They wouldn't build a new one.
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  Speaker 1: They wouldn't tear it down to the Stone's at six
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  Speaker 1: hundred million. I don't know, but this is it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be want six hundred million dollars in renovations.
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  Speaker 3: It wouldn't be a thirds okay, so there wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: a third standing building. It would be the Modi Center still.
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  Speaker 3: But my thought is kind of what happened with Kyarina
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  Speaker 3: turning into Climate Pledge everything but the roof, correct, but
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  Speaker 3: like you're not moving it or you're not okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So two structures six hundred million dollars with the
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  Speaker 1: owner who makes millions upon billions each year getting none
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  Speaker 1: of giving none of it in Oregon, that's unbelievable. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this I hear you. I don't even have to look
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  Speaker 1: at the text line to hear you that this is
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: what people fear when they say, who are going to
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: buy the Seahawks? Who are going to be the new
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: owners of the Sonics? What kind of owners are you
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: going to come in here? Seth Wickersham of course flow
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  Speaker 1: to the idea that a new owner would want a
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: new Seahawks stadium. This, yous don't need a new stadium.
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: They need a new grass field, get rid of the turf.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: They don't need a new stadium. And it's not necessarily
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: true that a new owner is automatically going to ask
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  Speaker 1: for that. Now, they may and probably will ask for
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  Speaker 1: upgrades and more luxury seating, which the Seahawks and Luminfield
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  Speaker 1: have added in the last couple of years, field level seating,
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: tunnel suites and whatnot. But it does matter who buys
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: the team. Yes, for this reason, if you get a
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: Tom Dundon who won't even buy pulls T shirts off
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  Speaker 1: the seats, because in the playoff games, because I don't
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: want to spend money, and he doesn't want to put
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: injured players and travel party usual employees on the planes
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: for because he wants to save a few bucks. That
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  Speaker 1: does matter. That's the kind of stuff that a new
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: owner could do. I've said this, I've talked about a
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: couple of times. There is a big whale, and I'm
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: not ready to discuss who it is out there, who
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: is very hyper Seattle, who would allay those fears, who
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: is laying in wait to buy the Seahawks. That's all
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say about that. It's somewhat I would not
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: write that it's supposition, and it's somewhat irresponsible as a
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: journalist to do that. I'm just going to tell you
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: there's some whale out there that would allay those fears,
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: and it would be hyper local and would not do that.
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  Speaker 1: And I definitely would not put six hundred million dollars
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: worth of renovations on the taxpayers of Washington State in Seattle.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: That would not happen with this guy I'm talking about. Anyway.
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: Let's see how that goes for Tom Dundan in Portland.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's for those in Seattle who are thinking, man,
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: I've seen this before, you have. This is exactly what
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: happened to the Sonics.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: Right, this is Clay Bennett. Yes, this is let's ask
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: for the world, make the public pay for it until
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: they say get out of here. That's what happened. Now
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: you can go back one step before that. It's Howard
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  Speaker 1: Schultz who sold it to a guy who he knew
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  Speaker 1: was going to do that.
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  Speaker 2: And does that happen with Portland as well?
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: There are some people around the NBA who believe the
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: NBA this is from the faction of owners we talk
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: remember yesterday, it's Tim Reynolds, the AP writer for the
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: Associated Press base in Miami, says there is still a
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: faction of owners who don't want to expand because they
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: want to keep that thirty piece pie instead of thirty
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: two pieces on the league revenue in the media, right.
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  Speaker 2: Even with expansion fees.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: Well that's the offset, right, right. But the argument there
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: is that's a one time books lump sum paymvest it.
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  Speaker 1: Of course it's ten billion dollars or eight billion, that's
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  Speaker 1: quite a lump sum. There are many lump sums that
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: show up at eight billion dollars, right, six billion dollars.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: So you talk about lump sum, it's a relative term.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, the argument is that's a lump sum in
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  Speaker 1: where the thirty two versus thirty sharing the media rates
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: pie is an annual payment.
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  Speaker 3: Right, But then wouldn't you get more revenue because you
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: have two more markets.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's a pretty easy trade off.
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  Speaker 1: Of course you would. Yes. So there are some people
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  Speaker 1: who in the NBA, among the circles, who don't want
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: to expand, who say, let's just have Tom Dundan move
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: the Blazers to Seattle. Let's have this Clay Bennet like
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: arena situation go on in Portland until the people of
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  Speaker 1: Oregon and Portland say, hell no, get the hell out
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  Speaker 1: of here. We're not paying six hundred million dollars in
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  Speaker 1: taxpayer money to your new arena, which is not that
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  Speaker 1: old to begin with. Now, Key Arena was a different
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: case that was outdated, much more so than the Mota Center.
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: Is didn't have luxury seating concourses, the parking, the trucks,
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  Speaker 1: the too steep coming in for concerts that limited the
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: ability to have other events that would make money. All
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: of that. Yes, I get that, but at its surface,
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: this is a Clay Bennett type move, which worked for
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Clay Bennett in the Oklahoma City thunder. Obviously you don't
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: have to reminded people see out of that, but there
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  Speaker 1: are some people that think that could be in play,
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  Speaker 1: and that instead of expanding that the Blazers become the Sonics.
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  Speaker 1: That would be unbelievable, But then again, the Sonics being
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City is pretty damn unbelievable too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I do think that there wouldn't be as much talk
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  Speaker 3: with expansion amongst Adam Silver if it wasn't very far
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: down the line. Including now we got yesterday the news
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: about the bidding for the Las Vegas team as well,
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: so that.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: Kind of guys right by the owners of the Golden
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: Knights were owned by a West Point graduate by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Which by all you know, you know signs, was kind
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  Speaker 3: of the thing holding it up.
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  Speaker 2: Seattle's ready.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Vegas has to figure their yeah crap out, right, So
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: they finally did, and now it's like, all right, we
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: can kind of start to move on with this thing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility
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  Speaker 3: that Portland moves, but I don't think it's very very
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: low that it moves to Seattle. I could see them
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: moving to like a Nashville or something like that, but
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's it's interesting because now the whole
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: the other thing is the realignment question. Because there's two
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: Western Conference teams coming in, You're going to have to
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: move someone to the east.
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  Speaker 1: What if that's Portland, Well, you literally move, That's what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is
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  Speaker 1: a legacy and a tradition in Portland that absolutely there
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  Speaker 1: are no absolutely fight to keep it there.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm not advocating for that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just looking at the reality of that might be
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  Speaker 3: a possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Correct four to five on the Tacomadads text line four
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  Speaker 1: nine four five one. The forty five brings up a
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  Speaker 1: very good point. If Jody Allen is willing to sell
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  Speaker 1: the Blazers to this clown, meaning Tom Dundan, is that
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  Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibility to consider the same
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  Speaker 1: can happen to the Seahawks. Jody Allen is by chair
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  Speaker 1: of the Paul G. Allen Trust, her late brother. The
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  Speaker 1: chair is the one selling the team, but her responsibility
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: is to sell it to the highest bidder. Now, I
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: am frankly not as well versed in the Blazers sale
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: to know if Tom Dunnan was the highest bidder.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he was either.
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  Speaker 1: But the terms that I understand, I haven't seen the
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Will and Paul g Allen Trust instructions on selling the
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Blazers and Seahawks. Sorry, they didn't just hand that to
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  Speaker 1: me and say, Bell, you can go read this on
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  Speaker 1: your spare time. That's a closely guarded secret. But the
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  Speaker 1: understanding is that they are obligated by the Trust, by
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  Speaker 1: Paul g Allen's wishes to sell to the highest bid
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  Speaker 1: or so they can maximize the profit to the philanthropic
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: different the Trust is selling the teams for philanthropic enginry.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: In fact, not just the teams, but everything, his space exploration,
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  Speaker 1: his CEA exploration, all of it, the music collection, all
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: of the things that he is liquidating out of his
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: estate is supposed to go to philanthropic. The revenue goes
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: to the philanthropies he has.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the only thing that makes me think
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  Speaker 3: that wouldn't be a possibility with the Seahawks is the
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  Speaker 3: fact that the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: NFL would allow someone like Tom Dundan to even think
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: about owning one of their precious thirty two franchise.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: And that is a great point because the NFL, unlike
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: the NBA. The NBA has a proliferation of owners. Some
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: of them are hedge fund people, some of them are
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: venture capitalist, which the NFL just recently allowed to be
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a part of percent minority stake of ownership venture capital money.
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  Speaker 1: But there is a much more of a disparate collection
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: of owners and sub owners and minority owners the NFL.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And as you bring up a good point, they have
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: a good old boy network. Oh yeah, they have who
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: they want and by and larte, with the exception of
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars owner who's based in London. They have
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a good old boy network of old white guys. Fifty five,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: sixty five, seventy five year old, rich white guys own
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: NFL teams and they want that. They want league meetings
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to be a meeting of good old boys, of billionaires
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: who all think and act the same. They are closely
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: guarded on who they bring in. Now you say, well,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Jody Allen can sell to whoever she wants, they'd have
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to sell it. Good old Boys, true, but who has
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: to approve that sale?
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Correct?
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: The other thirty one league owners have to approve that sale.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: You just can't sell a team to anyone and expected
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: to get approved. So the NFL does have a say here,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: But Jody Allen has it from what I understand, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: coming upon her to sell to the highest bidder so
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: that she can have the most money to go to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: philanthropic interest of her brother. This whale I'm talking about
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: will take care of all of this, and he would.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Check both boxes.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: And this is someone the NFL wish they had in
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: their group decades ago. I can tell you that. So
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: this may play itself out where those fears will be unfounded.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I hear you, though, there's it's not hard to draw
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that line. And if the Blazers went to Tom Dundon,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen to the Seahawks? We will see.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: People have asked me all week in the Tech all
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: month on the text sign. I have not heard anything
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: new on the sale of the Seahawks other than now
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: there are multiple bidders, which is what they wanted, and
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that potentially the guy who the owner, the new owner
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: may potentially be waiting until all those bids sort themselves
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: out so he doesn't outbid himself by bidding too early.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: If you follow what I'm trying to see there, Yeah,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: next your chance to be a part of the show,
• 18:56
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back Greg bo Anderson Hurst with the Live on
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  Speaker 1: ninety three point three KJRFM. We've talked about Brian Wu.
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  Speaker 1: You heard from him. We talked about Tom Dunnan and
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  Speaker 1: the Blazers asking for six hundred million dollars in upgrades
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: to the Rose Garden that probably doesn't need a tenth
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  Speaker 1: of that and ask him for the public to pay
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  Speaker 1: all of it. Didn't talk about Kaitlyn Carr getting her
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: neck pounded into the floor in the WNBA. There's definitely
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: something against Kaitlyn Clark by some players. Anyway, four nine,
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  Speaker 1: the roulette what pulls up for the same six words today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking give me two seconds, okay. Pirates. The Mariners
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  Speaker 1: have the Pirates where they want to I'm a Pirates fan.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I still grew up live outside of Pittsburgh. Lived outside
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh growing up the Pirates bullpen stinks. They can't
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: throw strikes. So all I'm going to say about I'm
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: not trying to give away this. I'm just going to
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  Speaker 1: tell you that the Mariners have the Pirates where they
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: want them. Good, We'll see where it goes. Two o
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  Speaker 1: six must be a parent, guys. Blue is the most
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  Speaker 1: amazing show on television and I'm forty nine years old.
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  Speaker 1: My kids watched it for many years when they were younger.
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  Speaker 1: That is extremely in depth, meaningful and loving, high quality show.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, Blue is the song alone?
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  Speaker 2: Is that sarcastic?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really good. It's New Zealand or Australia.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Australian. Okay, it's an Australian show.
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  Speaker 3: I do have your cash contest word. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: the word is wait for it, cash, oh oh ceish cash?
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  Speaker 3: To spell it from Greg? I should know how.
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  Speaker 1: To might spell with a K. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: twenty five on at all?
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  Speaker 3: Well not and remember, don't text it in. I have
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  Speaker 3: to tell people this every single time.
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  Speaker 1: Go to the website nine three kJ dot com.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I appreciate the blue thanks to us. Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not really looking forward to that phase.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Well, they don't have to. I mean watch television sports.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: We'll watch sports. There you go, that's what we're doing.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah. Four is only soccer would have
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: a meaningless playoff game. This is not a playoff playoff game.
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  Speaker 1: It's still a group stage game. It's a Week eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: Game exactly, and there's happened.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great comparison, Greg, there are many meaningless Week
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  Speaker 3: eighteen in NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Games, which quite a few actually, Yes really for two vices,
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  Speaker 1: really wish Paul would have just left the team to
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: his sister. He did and he didn't. But yes, the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: trust still owns the team Paul. Jody Allen is the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: chair of that trust, so she technically is just the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: chair of the team, the trust the overseas.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: The thing about the Tom Dundan comments that really get
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: me are his reasoning for asking for public funding and
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: he quotes that I'm going to get the exact quote.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Hold on just a second, so I want to make
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  Speaker 2: sure I get this right.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: It feels like we're making a pretty big investment by
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: staying here and paying these tax rates. The billionaires said,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: So this has very Jerry Depoto, we're doing the fan
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: base of favor vibes.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Every time he buys something, he doesn't pay a dime
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: in tax in Oregon. There's no sales tax in Oregon,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: so he's not getting tax as much as he could.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: He said, come taxes high because he's a billionaire that
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: could be part of the rejoic God Two six. Could
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the Seattle Stadium be upgraded by taking out the hawks
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Nest and closing it with more seats than skyboxes, meaning
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: on the downtown side that has the open side, it's
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: more like a bowl. Then it would be a more
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: of enclosed bowl. Would hate to see that. But if
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you want upgrades question marks, Well, I can't see him
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: redoing the hawks Nest because they just did they the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: World Cup. FIFA did not want metal seatbacks in their
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: stadiums and so they made him put chair backs into
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the hawks Net. Remember, the hawks Nest used to be
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the old Kingdome metal seats, and that was the one
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: remnant of the Kingdom from which those of you who
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: just came to Seattle or just born a couple of
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: days ago. The Kingdome used to be on the site
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: that is now mostly the North parking lot, but the
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: site that is now lumin Field and the North stands
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: were the metal bleachers from the Kingdom. Well, the World
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Cup has changed that FIFA required seatbacks, so now the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Hawksess has been remodeled with seatbacks, and in fact they're
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: painted so that the Seahawks logos an the eye of
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  Speaker 1: the Hawk is the backs of the seats.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cool.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: It is. You can't see it on television because those
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: seats are completely full because the stadium is sold out
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: for the World Cup match. But I don't see him
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: ripping up the place. They just remodeled. But it's a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: new owner now. The Seahawks don't own the stadium. A
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: public stadium authority owns the stadium.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Hours Tom Dundon weird weird.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Anyway, by the way, Jim yesterday and the text line
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: told us that the Seahawks raised their ticket prices six
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars per season ticket in the Hawk's nest because
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of those seatbacks.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: And because they're six hundred for the whole season. Yeah,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: per ticket, per ticket, So is that he said twelve.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Hundred, But it was per two seats he.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Said, okay, So then that's divided by eight home games.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or eight or nine?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how many they have next year. Actually
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  Speaker 2: they made on nine.
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  Speaker 1: Andy O the two O six says it's the wrong word.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, Greg, it's not the wrong word. What he said,
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  Speaker 1: I got it. Two Fight three said that word is
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  Speaker 1: wrong if it was Caitlin Clark two Fight three said
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  Speaker 1: I would take my endorsement money and just retire from
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  Speaker 1: the w NBA. They clearly don't want her. Screw them.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Rod from the two o six wants to know, do
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  Speaker 1: you prefer peanut or Eminem's or plane Eminems. I used
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  Speaker 1: to say peanut, but recently I've scarfed more playing eminems
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  Speaker 1: than peanut. That's a good question. Actually, can that define
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  Speaker 1: you as a person, that's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, I did. I did give the wrong word. That's
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: my apologies. I put him on the spot, my fault,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: that's my He's got a four year old, four month
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  Speaker 3: old and give him a break. I found out I
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: was doing the show last night because you know so
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: how it goes in this business.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Liberty, liberty, justice for all, Yes, liberty and justice for all.
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  Speaker 1: Because cash actually was not in my staple of five
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  Speaker 1: rotating words.
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  Speaker 2: I had the wrong cash contest uh.
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  Speaker 1: Sheet Liberty, which is probably the word two days ago.
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  Speaker 1: It's a word again at eleven o'clock liberty, L I
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  Speaker 1: B E R T Y in case you need to
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  Speaker 1: spell that r hi.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, that's my fault, not Greg's.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Peanut, M and M's Guy Rod says, what do you
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: think of sending down Wood to Tacoma for a few
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: weeks and bringing up Anderson in his place? No, I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: don't think you should put Brian Wood down. But no,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that would piss him off. He's already pissed it himself.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: But the question about Anderson, I think Andrews is gonna
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: come up in September and they're just going to put
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the best thirteen dudes in their pitching roster for the playoffs. Look,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: they're going to win the West. This is all funning games,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: but the trash cans, the a's and the rink. Come on,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: they're gonna win the West. They're just gonna have to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: right themselves to win in the playoffs. But they have
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a pitching staff to do it. And I think you
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: just bring all your best pitchers. If it's Kate Anderson,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: if Anderson double a fine, bring them all up, sort
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: him out for the playoffs. Right, That's what I would do. Well.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Chris Crawford has mentioned this a couple of times on
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Maliwa Monday, and I actually really like this suggestion. Compare
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: it to what David Price did when he first came
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: up for the Tampa Bay Rays. He was a very
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: highly touted prospect, same kind of you know, a situation
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: leftan pitcher as well, by the way he came up
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and for the playoffs specifically, he was like kind of
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: a yes, long reliever, but high leverage long reliever sort
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: of situation where he comes in in like the sixth
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: inning and he can take you the rest away, right right.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: It's old school reliever. That's what they used to do.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Piggyback that it's kind of what it is, but a
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: guy you could do that bolt against in any situation, right,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: and then that way, because the reason why they're not
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: rushing to have this happen is a because they have
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: in their eyes six starting pitchers that they feel very
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: comfortable with, and be because they need to limit his innings.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: He pitched a lot in college, he didn't pitch it
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: all after they drafted him last year, and he if
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: you look at his game log this year, he's only
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: going four or five innings every single time, no matter
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: how dominant he is. They're trying to limit his innings. Yes, right,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: So if you want to do that and not have
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: him have a full on starters workload when he comes up,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: David price roll. I actually, I think that's a really
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: good kind of balance. That way, you don't necessarily have
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: to trade one of your starters to get this done.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: You could have two piggyback guys, right if it's cast
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: to you or.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: They got a trade cast to you. This whole piggyback
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: is just to keep him marketable to trade as a starter.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And if they don't do it after doing this whole piggyback,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: then they have failed. They got a trade him at
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: this point, and why else do this?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I I think he has more value to the Mariners
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: than he does on the trade market.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Not if he keeps starting though, a starting pitcher with
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: his pedigree and his salary would go straight into some
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: contender's rotation.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: That wouldn't get you anything back unfortunately. Either that or
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: you're eating a bunch of salary.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Well, they may have to get some of that money.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: That's true, they'd have to eat some.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Of that money, which I don't think they'll do.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say something that will floor perhaps you
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of others. On June fourteenth, nineteen seventy four,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Nolan Ryan through thirteen complete innings against the Boston Red
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Sox he's threw two hundred and thirty five pitches. Yeah,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: in one game, thirteen innings, Nolan Ryan. He didn't need
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: load management and limited innings freaking Hall of Fame or
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: it was six no.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Hitters, different game, different era, is it?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yes? Is it?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, he's through pretty damn hard. I don't think
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it's that different. It's become different because they've made it different.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: The ball is still round, the pitcher still throws from
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: sixty feet six inches.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, but they the examples of the Nolan Ryan's. There's
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  Speaker 3: also I'm sure a lot of examples that you don't
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: know about where pitchers careers were cut massively short, of course,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: but trying to avoid that from happening as much as possible,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: of course, And I.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Get it, sure, But what I'm saying is the kid
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: gloves treatment. You don't have to do it to the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: extreme that teams do it, including the Mariners. You don't
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: have to. You're choosing to as a choice and a strategy,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and so far, so good, at least in making the playoffs.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: We'll see how this works out this year. But you
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: don't have to do it. They're doing it as a choice,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and it's a modern.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Choice, and almost every team does it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not saying they don't. I'm just saying you
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: don't have to if it's the choice.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I tend to think if people if there was really
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: any question whether they should be doing it, there would
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: be more teams that don't.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: But every team.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that, because everybody subscribes to the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: same analytics iPad baseball now everyone plays by the same rules.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Everyone does analytics. Everybody does. We don't see, we don't buy.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Everyone plays the same way. But it's a choice. It's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: not just well, this is the way a game is.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: The way the game is is because that's how teams
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: have chosen to go about it. That's the approach of
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the year.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Sure, But there are more teams that use it more
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: and differently than other teams.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Again, I'm not saying that's not true. I'm just saying
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: that is still a choice. You can always do the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: other thing, but no one's doing the other thing. No
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: one's keeping guys in for nine innings, no one's keeping
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: guys in for one hundred and twenty pitches. But you could,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and it has happened, and it's happened successfully in the past.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Just teams don't do it anymore because that's the choice
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: they make that that's not the right smart way to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: do it. There will be a team sometimes, some way
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: that will go back to the old school. They will. Yeah,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know when that's gonna be, but that's what's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. It'll happen. It'll happen sometime.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think it will.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: It could happen in the May. It could happen in
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the postseason. You could have a dude stay in for
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: nine innings if he's shove it. It may not happen
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: this year, but there will be a team sometime in
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: twenty years from now. Perhaps. I don't. People never thought
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: bell Bottoms would come back either. I'm just telling you
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that it's a choice, like, you can't do it. It's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: just that no one does.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: It's because it's stupid, too, is it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: That's modern thinking that necessarily that's not necessarily makes it
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  Speaker 1: up true. It just means that that's currently what everyone thinks.
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  Speaker 1: That's my point. That's true of life. Just because everyone's
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  Speaker 1: doing something doesn't mean that's right. It's all the smartest
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  Speaker 1: people that are are they? Yeah, are the mariners just
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: doing the smartest thing. Are they doing what they have
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: decided to add hereby the piggyback? Is that the smartest
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: thing to do? Exact what they've decided to do.
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  Speaker 3: It being back separate from keeping pictures healthy and not
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: throwing them out there for thirteen innings and two hundred
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: and thirty five?
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  Speaker 1: Is taking Brycemeller out after four innings? Yes?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: It keeps them healthy? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Is that the best thing? The smartest thing?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I say, depends on what you think the
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: smartest thing. I say no, but you say yes, you
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: don't want to keep your players healthy?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I want them to shove for more than four innings.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: That's what I want them to do. They're major league pictures.
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  Speaker 1: They grew up pitching more than four innings and sixty pitches,
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  Speaker 1: did it all the time. Now, all of a sudden
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: they get the major leagues and you can't pitch more
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  Speaker 1: than five innings.
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  Speaker 3: I just logically think if it were that easy, just
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: to be like, oh, why don't we just throw them
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  Speaker 3: out there for more? If they're pitching, really will? Every
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: team would do it? They ever used to do it, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: and they don't it anymore. There's a reason for that,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: but there's a reason that was done before. It is
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  Speaker 3: Mubbet point.
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  Speaker 1: And just because it's already because people are choosing to
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  Speaker 1: do it now, doesn't mean it was wrong. Then. It
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: means that this is the way teams are doing it now.
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  Speaker 2: Because they they have more information.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: People used to play four to three defenses in football,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Now they mostly play three four. It doesn't mean the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: four three is wrong. It means that's the trend. People
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: used to run the ball to eye formation doesn't mean
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that was wrong. It means that that's just the current trend.
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  Speaker 1: That's all My point is. Because they have more information
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it doesn't make it right though. It
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: just means you have more information. Analytics doesn't mean it's right.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: It just means you have more information. And sometimes a
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: manager's analytics should go out the window.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I hate the anti analytics movie.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I Know You do. It's so I know you do.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: That's Joe Madden about anti analytics.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Who doesn't have a job right now?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know why it doesn't have a job
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: because guys like the Mariners won't hire them. Joe Madden's
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: want done something the Mariners have never done. That's one
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of the World Series.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think you.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: See in Farnessa it's the Mayor and Maple Valley. Joe
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Mann is not the Mariners manager because he wouldn't be
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: a yes man to Jerry Depoto. Simple he didn't want
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to play analytics games. They got a yes man in
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the job right now who does the analytics by iPad. Okay,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: so you get piggybacks and guys getting pulled after four
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: in Manning's so scoreless. It's just it's crazy. It doesn't
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: have to be this way, but it is.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the new world.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Dude. I'm not that old. I live in this world.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I just say it doesn't make a right I just
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: say what it currently is. I get it. I know
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's correct. And forness the maryor Maple
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Valley's up next to ninety three point three KJFM, kid
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: not anymore. This is not here today. It's Anderson Hurst.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I just say that I have it anders Hurst, I already, miss.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I have no idea who that is on the show.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: The Mariner's Got.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: You are a soccer nerd, No, no baseball nerd.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: You're both nerd. Yeah. The Mariner's Got ref Schnidered in Pittsburgh.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: So it happened. Left hander comes in, they got ref Schnider.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Oh god, if.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Only they use their analytics.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Greg. He wants to argue with me about analytics. He's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: trying to tell me Jill Madden is not a good manager.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Jill Madden isn't managing because the analytics guys don't want
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: him in the job. They took the He won the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: World Series with the freaking cub.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I compared Joe Madden to Pete Carroll, right. Pete Carroll
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: won a Super Bowl with the Seahawks. Was a fantastic coach,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: but the game's passed him by.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: I will not knowing enough about Joe Matten except for
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: the resume in terms of the win. The pretty significant
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: one if I cub. Yeah, pretty significant one with that, Yeah,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I do believe. Okay, I'll use this one because I
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: kind of compare them. Who was I I was talking
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: to somebody about the yesterday, the like, So Dan Bilesman
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: won a Stanley Cup, a zillionaire for your hometown team, Yes,
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: spurg Penguins. Mike Holmgren won a Super Bowl with the
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Green Bay Packers. Both really good coaches at one time.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: The game evolves and changes, and I think, is I
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: think so highly of Mike. I think it's a absolute sham.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: He's not in the Hall of Fame yet. Mike Holmgren
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: would not coach in today's NFL. Hell, he's the first
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: guy who admit that, Like we started talking about, well
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: you got the GPS, so the shoulder pads and all this.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: He just like you've seen Mike when we say that,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: and his head starts spinning and steam comes out of
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: his ears, and you know, I think Bilesman was a
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: great example of that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Biolesman was just way over his skis.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: And you know, and then people blame the crack and
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: analytics department or whatever, and it's like, no, no, how
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: about the coach that doesn't know how to use it exactly?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Like you know, and and it shouldn't.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: It shouldn't sports be a little bit of everything, some
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: numbers and some itams exactly.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And that's that's my point. Is it swung so far
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that the eye test in the gut check doesn't even register.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I watch I watched the you know, like in your
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: you're there, you're you know. When we go to an
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: NFL game, there's always scouts from like the next next
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: week and stuff like that. Those guys are charting plays
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: and formations and stuff. But a lot of it too,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: is the eye test, right, College for sure, that's what
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: it is, right, It's definitely the eye test. Hell, you
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: go to a Thunderbridge game or an Everge Silver Tips
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: game NHL drops on Friday, and you see, I always
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: used to joke the guys, you can tell what the
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: NHL scouts They all sit in the top corner end
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: of the rink. They all got overcoats on, used to
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: have a dart out coming out of their lower lip.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: But I used to watch those guys come in there
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: with a notepad and scribble stuff down. Now I see
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: those guys coming in with a notepad and an iPad.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: It's a whole different world. It's a whole different world.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: And I know a lot of my old scouting friends
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: from back in the day that we'd have beers after
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: a game and try or Seattle or kam Loops or wherever.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Them dudes right now, they're like, I don't know what
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: the hell they're doing these days. You know what's going
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: on here with entry zone?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Bah? What does that mean? You know? So it just
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: stuff evolves. It's all good, you know, But there's still
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a place. I think there's still a place in thee
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: where a manager who's lived baseball his whole life played it. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: coached it well. I think it isn't that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: The criticism of Wilson is there's no gut feel for
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: him and maybe he's not allowed to exactly right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying the Mariners are good that right,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: but there are like to say that all of baseball
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: is just way too nerd heavy and everything and the
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: great nerd heavy.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did not call it nerd heavy. I didn't
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: use those terms. I did not use those terms.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: He basically said that the game I didn't.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say nerd heavy.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I said that the manager should be able to trust
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: his gut for knowing baseball in his heart and he's
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: played it and the emotions and the intangibles and what
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: his gut tells him. That's what I said. Yeah, ner heavy.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: He said, Joe Maddenhattan doesn't have a job because that's
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: what everyone thinks. Though everyone looks at the analytics now
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: and everything.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I said, Joe Madden isn't the Mariners manager because he
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: would never say yes to the things that Dan Wilson.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Well, I think I think there's a lot of actor
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: she did that because the Mariners, the Mariner's last two
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: managers have been guys that were first time managers that
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Jerry Depoto could dictate everything to.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: But is that fair? I don't think that's even a question, right,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: But that's but that's it.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Like it was like you were not going to get
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: an established manager with as long as the Poto is
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: in charge. Absolutely, you're just never gonna I mean, the
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: next guy is going to be you know, Dave Valley
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: or somebody I don't know. I mean it's it's actually
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Vowel wasn't part of the ninety five team, so it
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: would be it would be does a Rod want to manage? No, wait,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: he can't do it. How about well, you know, the
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: weird one was is that they didn't bring Joey quarterback.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: I always thought they would do that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Alex cor is available, that's still a possibility.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you get lose to he lose two to
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: three to Pittsburg.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Again, they want to all right today, we're gonna check
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: in once the M's game's over.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Chris Crawford's gonna jump on with us.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: We'll talk to him, kind of break down the game
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: and do a little post game, a little mile y
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: on the air, So we'll do that.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: We'll check in with Eno.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Sarah's coming up at one twenty from the Athletic Rats
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: and Burrell's podcast. Really kind of a great guru with pitching.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: That's kind of his specialty with He's a nerd. He
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: is a nerd with nerd numbers. I haven't asked him
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: about this, the whole piggyback thing. I gotta get his thoughts.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to get his thoughts on that, especially
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: using the guy who's the reigning American League Player of
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: the Week. Anyway, that's coming up at one twenty and
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: the Danny O'Neil since we're not on the air tomorrow,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: actually will be about three o'clock with Gret Draft, So
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Danny's coming on at two o'clock.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Today's normal Friday visit instead. That's the Infness and Jessmin
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: McIntyre up next. Thanks for listening to Anderson Hurst and
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Greg Bell tend to new We'll do it again tomorrow.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I have a great Thursday ends up next to ninety
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: three point three kJ RFM,