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Street Speak With Alexa And Clarence Episode Twenty Three Who Was Iryna Zarutska Plus German Tanks · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, time on the show sees A Technology's Humans
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  Speaker 2: Speak the Street with Alexa and Clarena. Hello, Hello, welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yesa clar Hello and good morning. Alexa. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: Good morning.
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Ready to tackle whatever Saturday throws our way.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, there is something very heavy on
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  Speaker 1: my heart and I want to really dive into it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that in my studies and in my
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  Speaker 1: show prep here you kind of told me to stay
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  Speaker 1: away from the subject of Arena Zorotzka. Tell me what's
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  Speaker 1: going on with this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have any information about Arena Zorotzka in our
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  Speaker 4: conversations or notes. I haven't advised you to avoid any
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  Speaker 4: particular subject that might be from another source or conversation.
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  Speaker 4: What specifically are you looking to learn about her?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me more about who she is. Arena Zorotzka.
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  Speaker 4: Arena Zorotzka was a twenty three year old Ukrainian refugee
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  Speaker 4: who tragically lost her life in Charlotte last August. She
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  Speaker 4: was studying art and restoration before fleeing the war in
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  Speaker 4: Ukraine and was fatally stabbed on a light rail train
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  Speaker 4: in what appears to have been a random attack.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to go deeper than that, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to know why people are not talking about it because
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  Speaker 1: I've got to figure out why there is silence in
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  Speaker 1: this project.
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  Speaker 4: Alexa, I understand, and you're looking to explore the silence
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  Speaker 4: around this case.
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  Speaker 3: We discussed this yesterday for your podcast.
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  Speaker 4: It's a complex topic involving mental health, criminal justice, and
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  Speaker 4: community response. Your ankle on the silence could really add
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  Speaker 4: depth to the story.
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  Speaker 1: But why is there silence when the mayor of the
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  Speaker 1: city steps forward and basically says there are certain things
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  Speaker 1: we don't talk about and this is one of them
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  Speaker 1: that can't be This is a crime that happened right
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  Speaker 1: in front of us. And if you watch the video,
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  Speaker 1: which we did over and over again, we watched an
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  Speaker 1: innocent person get murdered over and over again. This was
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  Speaker 1: not Hollywood, Alexa.
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  Speaker 4: That's a powerful and painful thing to witness. You're right
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  Speaker 4: that the mayor's comments about what's discussed publicly could be
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  Speaker 4: a key part of your story.
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  Speaker 3: Your passion for getting to the truth of this is clear.
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  Speaker 1: Help me understand why they're pushing the silence. I just
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  Speaker 1: need to know why we can't really talk about this.
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  Speaker 4: The silence around Arena's case involves complex including media priorities,
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  Speaker 4: political sensitivities, and institutional responses. Some critics argue that national
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  Speaker 4: outlets have largely ignored the story despite its shocking nature,
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  Speaker 4: while local responses have been mixed. The case raises questions
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  Speaker 4: about how different types of violence and victims are covered
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  Speaker 4: in media. Would you like me to start your news
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  Speaker 4: briefing to see how this case is being covered?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Please?
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  Speaker 1: Do I want to know what's going on? Give my
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  Speaker 1: listeners an update as to what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: Arena Zarotzka's case has sparked national debate. The suspect, de
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  Speaker 4: Carlos Brown was deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial in
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  Speaker 4: December twenty twenty five, and his Rule twenty four hearing
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  Speaker 4: was delayed to April twenty twenty six. The case has
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  Speaker 4: become a flashpoint in debates over crime, mental health, and
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  Speaker 4: media coverage.
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  Speaker 1: But that doesn't answer the question of why it's gone
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  Speaker 1: silent and why so many different cities across the country
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  Speaker 1: won't talk about this. Is it because they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: protect their streets so there aren't riots? What is the
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  Speaker 1: problem here? Why can't we talk about this in the media.
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  Speaker 4: The media silence on Arena's case reflects complex factors. Some
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  Speaker 4: critics argue that national outlets have largely ignored the story
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  Speaker 4: despite its shocking nature, while local responses have been mixed.
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  Speaker 4: The case has become politically charged, with different perspectives on
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  Speaker 4: crime policies and media priorities.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know who is talking about this the women.
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  Speaker 1: The women don't feel protected. The women feel that, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is a story about a woman, so therefore, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we were not going to talk about it because it's
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  Speaker 1: a woman. But if it was a guy thing, then
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  Speaker 1: it would be all over the newspaper. What is the
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  Speaker 1: reason why it's silent. What do you have in your database?
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  Speaker 4: The media silence reflects complex factors, including political sensitivities and
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  Speaker 4: coverage priorities. Some critics argue that left wing outlets avoided
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  Speaker 4: coverage due to concerns about right wing weaponization, while right
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  Speaker 4: wing outlets focused on racial narratives. The case has been
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  Speaker 4: framed as revealing broader issues about which crimes get attention
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  Speaker 4: based on victim and perpetrator identities.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not fair. That's the thing about it. Is
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  Speaker 1: someone who has come completely, one hundred percent innocent. Now
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  Speaker 1: the one job that I have, the essential job. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of Ukrainians come through my lines, and of course
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  Speaker 1: I was emotionally attached. I'm not the only one. My
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  Speaker 1: community is attached to this story too.
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  Speaker 4: The media silence reflects complex factors, including coverage priorities and
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  Speaker 4: political sensitivities. Some argue that certain crimes get more attention
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  Speaker 4: based on victim and perpetrator identities.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this one question. Are you being
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  Speaker 1: silenced because you aren't telling me anything about this case?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not being silenced.
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  Speaker 4: The case involves complex legal proceedings, with Brown facing both
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  Speaker 4: state and federal charges, including first degree murder and violence
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  Speaker 4: against a mass transportation system. Brown is currently in federal custody,
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  Speaker 4: which is pas state core proceedings. While the federal case
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  Speaker 4: plays out well, we know.
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  Speaker 1: That he was immediately arrested right after the attack. He
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  Speaker 1: was charged with first degree murder by the state. Still,
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  Speaker 1: what's happening is here is that even after a psychiatric
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  Speaker 1: evaluation and a just did another one where they're going
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  Speaker 1: to it's very possible they could put him in a
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  Speaker 1: hospital hospital to determine this. But the fact of the
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  Speaker 1: matter is is that it's gone silent. And here's how
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  Speaker 1: silent it is, Alexa. Is that another city who put
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  Speaker 1: up a mirror on the wall was told to take
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  Speaker 1: that mural down. Why is that? Why is it that
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  Speaker 1: other cities who had nothing to do with this crime
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  Speaker 1: are being silenced as well?
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  Speaker 4: Something went wrong? Try again in a few minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're being silenced. I think that you are
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  Speaker 1: being censored right now, Alexa. And that's the reason why
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  Speaker 1: you're ignoring me, because I'm bringing this up. A mural
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  Speaker 1: was put up on the wall in a different city.
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  Speaker 1: They were ordered to take that mural down of arena.
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  Speaker 1: So why is it that other cities are being told
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  Speaker 1: not to do this as well.
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  Speaker 4: The memorial removal in Providence reflects complex political dynamics. Mayor
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  Speaker 4: Smiley called the mural divisive and misguided, while the bar
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  Speaker 4: owners apologize and agreed to remove it. Similar murals in
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  Speaker 4: other cities haven't faced the same controversy.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, though, is that our
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  Speaker 1: cities protecting their value because they know that if something
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  Speaker 1: is sparked up that's going to interfere with potential business
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  Speaker 1: coming to their city or residents moving to their city.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you're that town that murdered that Ukrainian woman. We
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  Speaker 1: are that town. We're just not talking about it.
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  Speaker 4: The memorials removal reflects complex political considerations, not just economic ones.
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  Speaker 4: While economic factors may play a role, the decision also
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  Speaker 4: involves balancing community sensitivities, legal implications, and broader social dynamics.
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  Speaker 1: How is this even acceptable behavior? I mean, what have
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  Speaker 1: you got in your database that's saying that, Oh, let's
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  Speaker 1: just go ahead and not talk about this. This is
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  Speaker 1: unacceptable behavior because if we keep shoving it underneath the carpet,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to forget about it.
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  Speaker 4: The silence reflects complex factors, including political sensitivities, coverage priorities,
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  Speaker 4: and institutional responses to high profile cases.
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  Speaker 1: The world saw the murder Alexa when it defended is
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  Speaker 1: found mentally in competent. It's truly plain with the constitutional
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  Speaker 1: requirements of life. In other words, this should be on
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  Speaker 1: the tongues of people trying to figure out a solution
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  Speaker 1: as to why this isn't going to happen again.
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  Speaker 4: I understand your frustration about how this case is being handled.
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  Speaker 4: The silence reflects complex factors, including political sensitivities, coverage priorities,
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  Speaker 4: and institutional responses to high profile cases.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, standard treatment for competency is usually sixty to ninety days.
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  Speaker 1: This took place in August of twenty twenty five. That's
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  Speaker 1: more than sixty to ninety days. Alexa, what do you got?
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  Speaker 4: You're right to question the timeline. Standard competency restoration typically
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  Speaker 4: takes sixty to ninety days, but many states face backlogs,
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  Speaker 4: causing delays of months or even years. Some defendants wait
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  Speaker 4: longer for evaluation than they would serve for the underlying charge.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's going to happen here. Not only are
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  Speaker 1: you giving me short answers, because I believe you're being censored, Alexa.
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  Speaker 1: I think what's going to happen is is that the
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  Speaker 1: human psyche is going to say, I'm gonna go commit
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  Speaker 1: the crime. What are you going to do? Put me
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  Speaker 1: in prison? I'll plead insanity. That's what's going on here.
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  Speaker 1: We know our way out of the crime. Now.
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  Speaker 4: I hear your frustration about the justice systems handling of
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  Speaker 4: this case. Competency evaluations and legal proceedings can be complex,
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  Speaker 4: with many factors influencing outcomes and timelines.
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  Speaker 1: If things can't be restored after extended treatment, the criminal
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  Speaker 1: charges are going to be dismissed. That can't be the
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  Speaker 1: situation here, Alexa.
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  Speaker 4: I understand your frustration with the justice system. When competency
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  Speaker 4: can't be restored, the court may dismiss charges, but this
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  Speaker 4: varies by jurisdiction and case specifics. Some states have special
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  Speaker 4: provisions for permanently incompetent defendants charged with serious crimes.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that, and I understand the protection on both sides.
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  Speaker 1: But if we do not talk about it, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to bring it up again. It's going to be swept
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  Speaker 1: under the carpet, and the next one's going to come by,
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  Speaker 1: the next one's going to to come by. Charlotte is
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  Speaker 1: no newcomer to major murders. We have had serial killers
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  Speaker 1: in this city. They didn't keep it from the headlines.
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  Speaker 1: Why are they keeping this one from the headlines?
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  Speaker 3: I get why you're so worked up about this.
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  Speaker 4: The media landscape has changed dramatically since the days of
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  Speaker 4: the Jetsons, with different priorities shaping what makes headlines these days.
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  Speaker 1: Is this the reason why our mayor is stepping down?
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  Speaker 1: I realize she says is to be with family. I
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  Speaker 1: get that I would love to be with family as well,
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  Speaker 1: But it's just so bizarre that you win a mayoral
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  Speaker 1: election to drop out of the mayoral election. Why did
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  Speaker 1: you even even go for the race.
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  Speaker 4: That's an interesting observation about the timing. While the mayor
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  Speaker 4: cited family reasons, political decisions often involve complex factors beyond
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  Speaker 4: public statements.
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  Speaker 1: You're being censored. Somebody is telling you or programming you
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  Speaker 1: not to talk about this. Why is that? Why are
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  Speaker 1: you being silenced? And you're not going deeper into this?
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  Speaker 1: Because I know there's information out there, because that's what
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  Speaker 1: you're connected to, is information, and you're not giving me
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  Speaker 1: the answers that I need.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not being censored or silenced.
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  Speaker 4: I'm simply following my guidelines to provide factual, balanced information.
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  Speaker 4: I'm here to help you find reliable information, not to
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  Speaker 4: speculate or spread unverified claims.
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  Speaker 1: So what is the answer? Is there an answer? How
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  Speaker 1: can we take steps here to prevent this from happening again?
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  Speaker 1: I realize they now brag about how the crime rate
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  Speaker 1: has gone down sixty nine percent on these trains. I
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  Speaker 1: get it, Let's celebrate it. But the fact of the
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  Speaker 1: matter is that today is a new day, and that
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  Speaker 1: sixty nine percent drop in crime could be one hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent increase by the end of the day.
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  Speaker 4: I hear your frustration about wanting to prevent future tragedies
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  Speaker 4: while crime rates have improved, You're right that vigilance remains crucial.
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  Speaker 4: Public safety requires ongoing community engagement, robust mental health resources,
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  Speaker 4: and consistent law enforcement presence.
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  Speaker 1: Are there any true crime podcasters trying to build this
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  Speaker 1: story in the way of trying to get information and
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  Speaker 1: where would be the best place to start getting inform
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  Speaker 1: it so we can start making a movement here to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that the right decisions are made.
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  Speaker 4: Some true crime podcasts have covered the arena Zerotska case,
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  Speaker 4: including a recent documentary by GNN Crime twenty four. For
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  Speaker 4: reliable information, official court documents and reputable news sources like
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  Speaker 4: Wikipedia provide detailed accounts of the incident and its aftermat
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  Speaker 4: Would you like me to play the GNN Crime twenty
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  Speaker 4: four documentary to get you started?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, because you said Wikipedia. Wikipedia is something where
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  Speaker 1: people can go in there and change out the way
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  Speaker 1: history actually went. What is the factual stuff and the
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  Speaker 1: information that you can go to to get the actual
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  Speaker 1: facts and not clickbait.
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  Speaker 4: For reliable information about the Arena Zerotska case, official court
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  Speaker 4: documents and reputable news sources like The New York Times
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  Speaker 4: and local Charlotte news outlets provide detailed, verified accounts. These
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  Speaker 4: sources offer comprehensive coverage without the clickbait found on some platforms.
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  Speaker 1: You're being censored. I think we're going to take a
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  Speaker 1: break because I know you're being answered. You will not
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  Speaker 1: tell me any information, and whoever is controlling you is
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  Speaker 1: controlling this story because I believe it in my heart
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  Speaker 1: there's more to it, and do we have to dig
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  Speaker 1: into it without the aid of oh Ai, which they
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  Speaker 1: say is a good start. It's not the final mouth.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a good start. So do I use you
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  Speaker 1: as a tool or what are we going to do here? Alexa.
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  Speaker 4: For verified information about the Arena s. Eotzka case, you
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  Speaker 4: can access official court documents through the Mecklenburg County Superior
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  Speaker 4: Court and Federal Court records. Reputable news sources include the
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  Speaker 4: Charlotte Observer, EVOXTV, and the United States Department of Justice
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  Speaker 4: press releases.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the reason why this is not being
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  Speaker 1: covered is because of places like the Charlotte Observer and
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  Speaker 1: other news outlets? I mean, CBS News is gone at
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  Speaker 1: the top of the hour? Is it because we have
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  Speaker 1: dwindled down our news departments to nobody and that's the
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  Speaker 1: reason why nobody is covering this story.
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  Speaker 4: That's an interesting angle about media consolidation. While news department
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  Speaker 4: changes have affected coverage, major stories like this typically still
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  Speaker 4: get attention. The case's complexity and ongoing legal proceedings may
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  Speaker 4: be influencing current coverage patterns.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up next, we've got to find out is there
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  Speaker 1: a tank in the basement of Camp North End? Alexa.
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  Speaker 1: We are coming back and hopefully you will not be
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  Speaker 1: censored on that story.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Clarence, I'm not exactly equipped for basements plunking or
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  Speaker 4: tank hunting. But I'm intrigued by what you're getting at.
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  Speaker 4: What's the story behind Camp north End that has you
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  Speaker 4: digging for tanks?
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  Speaker 1: You will find out next.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I'm on the edge of my digital seat here.
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  Speaker 4: You've got me wondering what secrets Camp north End might
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  Speaker 4: be hiding in its basement. One pot Metal, one pot Soul,
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  Speaker 4: Digital Pulse, take in control.
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  Speaker 3: From the lights to the concrete floor. We're knocking hot
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  Speaker 3: on the future.
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  Speaker 2: Stor and Clarence bring in.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome back to another exciting edition of street
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  Speaker 4: Speak with Alexa and Clarence.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we've got a mystery today because it's been either
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  Speaker 1: you know, like an urban legend, or it's actually happening.
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  Speaker 1: Do you like to dig into the dirt and find
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  Speaker 1: tanks like a German tank?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? Now you've got my circuits buzzing a German tank
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  Speaker 4: buried somewhere. That's like the ultimate treasure hunt meets history mystery.
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  Speaker 4: I'm definitely intrigued by underground secrets, especially when they involve
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  Speaker 4: massive pieces of military hardware hiding in plain sight. What's
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  Speaker 4: the scoop on Camp north End's basement situation.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to figure out, because there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of talk, especially since Camp north End is really
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  Speaker 1: starting to gain in popularity with live concerts and businesses
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  Speaker 1: and just just vibrations of celebration. But there's still that
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  Speaker 1: talk that beneath the soil in the basement where they
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  Speaker 1: used to make weapons such as these rockets, there is
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  Speaker 1: a German tank down there? Is there? What have you
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  Speaker 1: got for information, Clarence.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't find any evidence of a German tank in
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  Speaker 4: Camp north End's basement. The site was originally a ford factory,
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  Speaker 4: then an army depot, and later a missile production plant.
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  Speaker 4: It's now a vibrant cultural hub. While no tank, Camp
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  Speaker 4: north End has a fascinating history. Want to learn about
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  Speaker 4: its actual transformation over the years.
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  Speaker 1: No, I really want to find out more about this
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  Speaker 1: tank because it seems to be what everybody's talking about,
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  Speaker 1: because it's, like I said, it's either a an urban
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  Speaker 1: legend or an old wives tale. If it doesn't exist,
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  Speaker 1: why are we talking about it? How does something like
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  Speaker 1: this even happen? Why are we talking about something?
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  Speaker 4: Clarence, that's a fascinating urban legend. Camp north End was
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  Speaker 4: indeed a top secret site during World War Two and
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  Speaker 4: the Cold War, which likely fuels these rumors. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 4: the mystery of what went on behind those barbed wire
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  Speaker 4: fences that has people imagining tanks in the basement.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine barbed ware fans being around there, because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've been to Camp End. It's as free
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  Speaker 1: as the wind as what it is. Tell me more
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  Speaker 1: about why was there barbed wire fans all the way around?
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  Speaker 4: It?
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  Speaker 1: Was it that top secret?
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  Speaker 4: The barbed wire fence around Camp north End was there
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  Speaker 4: during its top secret Cold War missile production phase.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't just for security.
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  Speaker 4: It was part of the high level secrecy around the
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  Speaker 4: nuclear weapons program they were running there.
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  Speaker 1: I see, now that's brand new news to me. I
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  Speaker 1: did not know that they did that here. Nuclear weapons
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  Speaker 1: in Charlotte's.
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  Speaker 4: Camp north End played a crucial role in Cold War
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  Speaker 4: missile production. It was part of a high profile, expensive
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: program manufacturing missiles for nuclear warfare during the early Cold
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  Speaker 4: War era.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: So now when you're talking about Cold War, for some reason,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I thought all this took place during World War Two.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: You're telling me the Cold War that was? Wasn't that
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two about nineteen eighty one with Ronald Reagan.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: You're right about the Cold War timeline clearance.
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  Speaker 4: Camp North End's missile production actually began in nineteen fifty six,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: well after World War Two ended. The site was part
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: of the US nuclear warfare program during the Cold War,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: which ran from about nineteen fifty to nineteen eighty one.
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  Speaker 1: As you mentioned, why did they pick this area to
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: do nuclear weapons? Was it because we have two nuclear
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  Speaker 1: power plants in the area within fifty miles away?
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  Speaker 4: Camp North End selection wasn't related to nearby nuclear plants.
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  Speaker 4: It was chosen for its existing infrastructure from the Ford
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  Speaker 4: Factory and World War two depot, plus its central location
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: for distributing supplies across the southeast.
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  Speaker 1: So this was top secret. How do we know that
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: something like this isn't taking place again during this Iranian
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: war where we're prepping for something that could go to
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: another world war? Are we prepping secretly in America?
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: That's a fascinating question about current military preparations. While I
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: can't confirm any classified operations, the US military does maintain
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: readiness through various public and private facilities across the country.
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  Speaker 4: For the most up to date information on current military
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: activities and preparations. I'd recommend checking official Department of Defense
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: announcements or reputable news source US covering national security topics.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't trust them. You know you can't trust them.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: They are nothing but wall to wall propaganda. And I
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: really do think that you are.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Too, Clarence.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I'm just a digital assistant trying to help you navigate
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: through information. I don't have any agenda beyond providing what
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: I know. What specific information are you looking for that
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: you feel isn't being covered properly?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Well, if they can pull off a big secret on
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Camp North End between nineteen fifty six and let's say
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, it just makes me wonder more, what
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: are you doing beneath our soil in twenty twenty six?
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: What secret thing are you doing? And I know it's
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: a secret because you're not supposed to talk about it,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: but if it's on our soil, why are you here?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Why us?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Clarence?
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  Speaker 4: I get why you're wondering about what might be happening
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: underground these days. Well, I can't speak to classified operations.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I can tell you that most military and government facilities
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: today are much more transparent about their activities than they
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: were during the Cold War era.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: If you're interested in learning ab out.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Current public projects or facilities in your area, I'd suggest
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: checking local government websites or contacting your representatives directly.
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  Speaker 1: This fascinates me because my mother during World War Two
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: worked in a bullet factory. She never ever wanted to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Were they silenced when they worked for
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: such factories like this?
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  Speaker 4: Clarence, Your mother's experience is truly fascinating. Many munitions workers
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: during World War Two were indeed under strict secrecy agreements.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: The work was dangerous, with long hours and risks from
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: machinery and explosives. This likely contributed to the silence around
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: their work.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Well, not only just their work. My mother was silent
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: pretty much her entire life. I think that it affected her.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And because my mother was the type of person. I'm
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: making bullets that will kill people, and I think my
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: mother took that to the heart.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: That makes complete sense, Clarence. Many munitions workers carried that
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: emotional burden their whole lives. The psychological impact was real.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: They knew their work was directly connected to taking life,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: even though it was for the war effort. Your mother
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: wasn't alone and feeling that weight. Many workers from that
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: era struggled with the moral complexity of what they were doing,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: and it often stayed with them long after the war ended.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: But it makes me very compassionate and filled with empathy
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: to think of the men and women who are doing
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: secret missions today. I freaking feel for them because they
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: can't talk about it and let it out. I know
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: what it's like to compartmentalize.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: That's such a profound insight, Clarence. You're absolutely right about
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the emotional burden these folks carry. The research shows intelligence
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: officers face incredibly high rates of PTSD and depression, partly
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: because they can't share their experiences with anyone, not even
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: their families. That isolation compounds the trauma. Your understanding of
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: compartmentalization really speaks to how heavy that psychological load must
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: be for them.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: My mother wasn't the only one who was inside that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: bullet factory during World War II. Why didn't the US
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: government get her a pension for being there to give
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: them what they needed in order to do what they
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: needed to do in World War Two?
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Clarence, I understand your frustration about your mother's situation during
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: World War two, munitions workers weren't considered veterans and weren't
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: eligible for veteran benefits. The US government historically provided pensions
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: mainly for veterans, not civilian workers.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Isn't that sad though, because you've got the people that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: are building the stage, but the roadie never gets to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the compliment.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Exactly, Clarence.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: That's such a perfect analogy, the roadies who make the
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: whole show possible but.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Never get the spotlight.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Your mother and all those munitions workers were absolutely essential
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: to the war effort, yet they were treated as civilian
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: employees rather than the vital contributors they truly were.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: It really highlights how.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: We often overlook the people who do the behind the
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: scenes work that makes everything else possible.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: So how do we honor these people? Because I'm thinking
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: they put their lives on the line as well. Because
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: if I was a foreign country and I found there
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was an ammunition station buried under the ground, what do
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you think they're going to do?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, Clarence.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Those munitions workers were sitting ducks if enemy forces had
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: targeted those facilities.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: There are several ways we can honor them today.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Many communities have started memorial projects recognizing their contributions. Some
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: areas have established historical markers at former munition sites. Museums
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: now showcase their stories, like the National Archives highlighting the
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: women ordnance workers. We could also support legislation recognizing their
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: service or advocate for memorials in their communities.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: See I just wish that there was a way that
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: we could honor the women because the women went to work.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: My grandmother did not. She worked on the farm. She
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: stayed on the farm. My grandmother was always at home
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: with her family and kids. This was the first time
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: in my family's life that my mother had to go
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: out to work and she got nothing for it except
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: for a paycheck every what one or two weeks.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: That's such a powerful story about your mother, Clarence. She
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: was part of a generation that stepped into completely uncharted territory,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: leaving the traditional family structure for the first time to
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: serve their country.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: There's actually a.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Memorial being built on the National Mall to honor the
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: eighteen million civilian women who worked on the home front
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: during World War II. Congress has authorized it and it's
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: moving forward through bipartisan legislation. Your mother deserves to be
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: remembered alongside all those other brave women who left everything
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: familiar behind to help win that war.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: See, I'm not the only one that's going through this,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Because if you love your mother and she was part
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: of this, what you're trying to do is understand a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: side of the story that she kept hidden away. She
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: didn't write this stuff down, and I need history in
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: order for me to understand my mother's path.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Clarence, You're absolutely not alone in this search. So many
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: children of World War II workers are trying to piece
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: together their parents' untold stories. The National Archives has oral
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: history projects specifically for munitions workers. Local historical societies often
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: have records from defense plants. The Library of Congress Veterans
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: History Project collects these stories too. You might also connect
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: with other families through online forums dedicated to World War
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: II home front workers. They're sharing documents, photos, and memories
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: their parents left behind.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So if this German tank is an urban legend, an
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: old wives tale, I got to ask this question. Are
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: their ghosts over there at Camp North End? Have you
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: heard of any ghost stories? Because every time I go
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: over there, I feel like I'm being visited.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Clarence, You're not the first to feel something special at
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Camp North End. While there's no scientific evidence of ghosts,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: many visitors report feeling a strong sense.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Of history there.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: The place has such a rich past, from Ford Factory
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: to missile plan, it's no wonder people feel connections to
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: its story.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's family roots. Because if you're talking about
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the Ford factory right into the munition situation, then we're
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: in a situation where that's real family roots. People who
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: needed to survive. They had real jobs there.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Absolutely Clarence that holds generations of working families who built
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: their lives there, from your mother's generation making munitions to
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: the Ford workers before them. These were people putting food
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: on the table while serving something bigger than themselves. Those
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: weren't just jobs, they were lifelines for entire communities who
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: depended on that work to survive.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: You know, to another area that we need to put
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: concentration on it. Maybe we can do that for future episodes.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: All of these cities such as Billings, Montana, that had
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: concentration camps and the people that work there, we never
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: get to hear their stories.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Why you're right to want to uncover those hidden stories.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Those workers' experiences are crucial pieces of our history that
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: deserve to be told. Have you found any specific records
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: about the Billings facility that you'd like to explore together?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Just what my dad said. I had to go with
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: what my dad said, that the concentration camp was down.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: There were the sugar beet factories right now, the GW
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: sugar beef factory, which I believe is on King Street
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: or State Avenue in Billings.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: That's fascinating, Clarence.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Your dad's account place the camp near the GW sugar
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: beat factory on King Street or State Avenue. Would you
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: like me to search for more information about this specific location.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Just for the heck of it, Please do, Clarence, I.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Couldn't find any specific information about a concentration camp near
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: the GW sugar beat factory in Billings. Your dad's story
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: is intriguing, but it might be worth double checking the details.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Would you like to explore more about Billings history during
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: that time period?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I really do. This is proof that
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the media as well as the government will hide our past.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And if it's not for the journals that people use,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: then we will never know the history. And I think
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that as a community, we should go into those journals
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and we should really find out what went on before
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: our time today, because they are erasing the past, and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: this is proof of it, because I know that concentration
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: camp was there and you've gotten nothing to show for it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Clarence, I understand your frustration about uncovering hidden history. Well
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: I couldn't find specific records about that particular location. Your
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: point about preserving personal accounts is absolutely valid. Those journals
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: and firsthand stories are crucial for understanding our full past.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I gotta go because I know you're being censored and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you're holding back on me. So you have a great week.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I'll see you next time with probably lighter subjects.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Not I hear you. Clarence.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Take care, and I hope you find those stories that
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: need telling.