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Mom hides recorder in daughter's hair & what she hears from school is shocking · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: You write your teaza for anxiety. According to parents, that's
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  Speaker 1: a secret recording of an instructor talking to kids inside
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  Speaker 1: a special education class at Berkeley Heights Elementary School in Martinsburg,
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia. Amber Pack center eight year old daughter to
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  Speaker 1: class with a recording device after the child didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to go back to school. I'm afraid. I hardly even
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  Speaker 1: know what to say. You know, it's very rare that
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  Speaker 1: I'm left speechless, but I'm so sick at my heart
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  Speaker 1: hearing that secret audio tape. Listen a different instructor in
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  Speaker 1: the same class. You gotta go, peggy, or do you
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  Speaker 1: not have to go pee? And you just want to go?
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  Speaker 1: There's more. I'm gonna pull your hair until you stuck her.
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  Speaker 1: Don't throw it, don't throw ye your winch like a pigney,
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  Speaker 1: like a pigmy thing. The next day, Pack alerted the
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  Speaker 1: school district and the Martinsburg Police Department. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: this has been going on for a while, Yes, that
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  Speaker 1: was the first day off at the recorder and her
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  Speaker 1: hair one day you caught on one day eight hours.
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  Speaker 1: You can hear the instructors, sometimes singing songs and reading
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  Speaker 1: stories to students, and other times, now your tears drive
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  Speaker 1: so quickly, crocodile, and then she wants to destroy everything
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  Speaker 1: as I'm gonna knock out. I couldn't eat for three days.
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  Speaker 1: I was so my stomach everything. I was just so upset,
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  Speaker 1: and every time I looked at her and start crying.
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  Speaker 1: Pacy Murphy, whose six year old son Owen, is in
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  Speaker 1: the same class, nobody alerted her to the recording, even
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  Speaker 1: though Pack had already handed it over to the school district.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard from the principle, never heard from the superintendent,
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  Speaker 1: never heard from any of them. It wasn't until November,
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  Speaker 1: after Pack posted a clip of the recording on Facebook
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  Speaker 1: that Murphy became aware of it for sure. You know
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  Speaker 1: when you're gonna get one, just just cup. It's sickney like.
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  Speaker 1: People don't even talk to animals like that, and they're
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  Speaker 1: talking to non verbal children who don't understand why they're
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  Speaker 1: talking to them like that. They're not doing anything wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the recording. The instructors tease and refuse to give
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  Speaker 1: Owen food. Brow me, I'm Daria, and you won't get
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  Speaker 1: her one nothing? Thank you get nothing star. The Berkeley
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  Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's office found no criminal wrongdoing. The County Prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: Katie Wilkes, Dellagatti told Casey Murphy, I am not in
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  Speaker 1: any way condoning the verbal treatment of your children by
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  Speaker 1: the individuals in the classroom. I don't understand why you
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  Speaker 1: treated her the way you treated her. Should not deserve that,
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  Speaker 1: no kid does. You are hearing our friend Scott Teller
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  Speaker 1: at ABC seven w j L, a investigative team doing
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  Speaker 1: an incredible job as he reports on it's a very
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  Speaker 1: upsetting story. You could hear the children moaning in crying.
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  Speaker 1: These are special needs children being spoken to worse than
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  Speaker 1: I've ever heard someone speak to an animal, just like
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  Speaker 1: the mom says, and I, Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. And I know it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to hear, but if we don't confront it, we
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  Speaker 1: can't fix it. In joining me right now, a very
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  Speaker 1: special guest, the mother of that little girl, adri Amberpack,
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  Speaker 1: is with us. Ben Selango is with us. Amber's lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Adrian Wood, the blogger of Tales of an Educated
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  Speaker 1: Debutante dot com, who investigated this story with ME. Forensics
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  Speaker 1: expert Joseph Scott Morgan and forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober
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  Speaker 1: also with me. Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Robin Wilenski.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go straight to Amber Pack, the mother
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  Speaker 1: of four. Amber tell me what led you to hide
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  Speaker 1: an audio device in your daughter's hair? Well, Adrian would
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  Speaker 1: she didn't want to go to school this year. I
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  Speaker 1: thought she just hated the school. I mean, she's always
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  Speaker 1: been pretty attached to me, but she would try to
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  Speaker 1: hide for me in the mornings when in between getting
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  Speaker 1: ready and her bus driver had made the comment that
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  Speaker 1: she starts crying as soon as they pull up to
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  Speaker 1: the school, and I popped in to pick her up,
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  Speaker 1: She's been crying really hard. And when I asked the
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  Speaker 1: teacher about it, her answer I knew was a lie.
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  Speaker 1: So I spoke to her doctor about all the anxiety
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  Speaker 1: and so she was having, and how I didn't think
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  Speaker 1: I was getting the right answers from the teacher and
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  Speaker 1: told her that I was going to put a record
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  Speaker 1: on her, and she said she thought that would probably
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  Speaker 1: be a good idea, if for nothing else, just to
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  Speaker 1: give me a piece of mind. You know, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: think that it was going to be this horrible though.
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  Speaker 1: How did you put the device in in Adrie's hair?
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  Speaker 1: She has a ton of hair. I m sectioned the
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  Speaker 1: middle part in the top and put the recorder inside,
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  Speaker 1: and then did like the first loop of a shoe tie,
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  Speaker 1: put a hairband around that, and then brought the rest
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  Speaker 1: of her hair up around it and did like a bun.
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  Speaker 1: Did Adrie even know she had a hearing recording device
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  Speaker 1: in her hair? She was not happy with the amount
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  Speaker 1: of time it took to do her hair that morning,
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  Speaker 1: so I think did she know there was a recorder there?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she knew that, um like whatever
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  Speaker 1: what I was going it for, but I know she
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  Speaker 1: knew that I was putting something in her hair. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just beside myself. I mean, I can hear one of
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  Speaker 1: the instructors saying, you want you're talking about anxiety and
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  Speaker 1: then threatens to beat the child. Yeah, and that's after
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  Speaker 1: I told them what her doctor had said about her anxiety.
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  Speaker 1: And then she says, I'm going to knock you out.
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  Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on. You're like a pigmy.
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  Speaker 1: You're like a pigmy thing. You're an animal. These are teachers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to pull your hair until you start crying.
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  Speaker 1: You want to go peepee? Or do you just want
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  Speaker 1: to go and what she says is jerk off. Those
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  Speaker 1: are the words the teacher says to a child a chair,
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  Speaker 1: this one I want to punch right in the face
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  Speaker 1: out of backhand. You write in your teeth house that
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  Speaker 1: for anxiety. And what I don't understand is why there
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  Speaker 1: are no criminal charges joining me right now. Crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Robin Willinski, who has been investigating
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  Speaker 1: the case. Robin, let's just start at the beginning. What
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  Speaker 1: do you know? Well, I know, Nancy, that this is
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  Speaker 1: Berkeley County Elementary School and that this was a special
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  Speaker 1: class There were only four children in this classroom, age six,
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  Speaker 1: including Amberpack's daughter, and there were three one teacher a female,
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  Speaker 1: and two female teachers aides. So again four students, three adults,
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  Speaker 1: and none of this would have come to light because
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  Speaker 1: there are no cameras in that classroom. There are across
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  Speaker 1: our country. We do have school districts, Nancy, that do
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  Speaker 1: have cameras and recording equipment in special needs classrooms, but
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  Speaker 1: not at to date, not in this classroom. And if
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  Speaker 1: not for Amber Pack putting this twenty dollars device from
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  Speaker 1: Amazon in her daughter's hair, none of these details, horrendous
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  Speaker 1: details would have come to light, joining me, high profile
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  Speaker 1: lawyer for Amber Pack, Ben Selengo being it's a real
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  Speaker 1: honor to have you on. I'm not sure why this
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  Speaker 1: doesn't rise to some criminal abuse on a child. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it certainly does, Nancy. We're disappointed that the county prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: has thus far declined to press charges. However, we're hopeful
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  Speaker 1: that charges will be filed, as you know that there's
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  Speaker 1: a statue. What's the county prosecutor's name, Ben, last name
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  Speaker 1: is Delagatti, and she's she's a mother, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think she's she's sympathetic, she has listened to us, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that she will file charges within the statute
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  Speaker 1: of limitation. But what she says is because the child
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  Speaker 1: is nonverbal, that she cannot testify that she was in
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  Speaker 1: reasonable apprehension of physical harm, which as a former prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: you know is the standard for an assault claim. Well
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, that that's for an aggravated assault or
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  Speaker 1: an assault. Right for an abuse claim, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to have proof of fear. And the fact that little
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  Speaker 1: Agi cried every day and the doctor said it was anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: that is fear. That's exactly our point and I think
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutor is considering that. I'm not sure that it
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  Speaker 1: was considered before. But more importantly, in West Virginia, there's
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  Speaker 1: a duty to report whenever a teacher or a teacher's
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  Speaker 1: aide suspects abuse. Here, they actually witnessed it, and they
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  Speaker 1: had twenty four hours to report as the Board of Education,
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  Speaker 1: as did the superintendent, as did the principal, because they
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  Speaker 1: all knew. The principal knew the following day, the superintendent
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  Speaker 1: knew the following week. They had twenty four hours to
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  Speaker 1: report it and they didn't. So hopefully additional criminal charges
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  Speaker 1: will be considered. Well, here you go, everybody. If you
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  Speaker 1: are as disgusted and upset by what you heard as
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  Speaker 1: I him, here's how you can reach the county prosecutor.
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  Speaker 1: Delagatti three zero four two six four one nine seven
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  Speaker 1: one repeat three zero four two six four one nine
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  Speaker 1: seven one. A Martinsburg parents says it wasn't until she
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  Speaker 1: plays a recording device into her daughter's here that it
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  Speaker 1: picked up some very disturbing audio in her special education
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  Speaker 1: class at Berkeley Heights Elementary and which is want to
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  Speaker 1: warn you that that audio may be disturbing to some
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  Speaker 1: How about hand you write your team. Amber Pack says
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  Speaker 1: she learned of the disturbing audio recordings one night in
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  Speaker 1: October after she decided to take matters into her own
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  Speaker 1: hands when her seven year old daughter, who was nonverbal,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't acting her usual self. There's no way for me
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  Speaker 1: to really like see because when I get there, Adrian
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  Speaker 1: would like cling to me, she'd want to leave. She
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  Speaker 1: brought up the attention to the school and says administrators
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  Speaker 1: swapped the incident under the rug for about four weeks.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't until she placed the incident on social media
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  Speaker 1: that the school plays two employees on an administrative leave,
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  Speaker 1: and according to Berkeley County Schools, the teacher has since resigned.
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  Speaker 1: Berkeley County Prosecuting Attorney Kid Books, delegated along with investigators,
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  Speaker 1: reviewed the eight animal audio recording, then said, while the
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  Speaker 1: criminal offense cannot be proven, the verbal treatments is shocking
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  Speaker 1: and disturbing. So like, are you gonna puke for me today? Adrie?
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  Speaker 1: Did your mom do your eyebrows? You don't have a
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  Speaker 1: unibrow today? Like, just like, why would you say that? There?
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  Speaker 1: And according to Berkeley County Prosecuting Office, can you cook
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  Speaker 1: jelly Getty. She says, according to Westbiginilla Haw, verbal abuse
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  Speaker 1: is not considered a criminal, but Ambrew hopes that there
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  Speaker 1: is justice soon. Well, of course, now we know that
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  Speaker 1: those aids have resigned, and believe it or not, the
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  Speaker 1: vote was four to one to accept the resignations. Who
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  Speaker 1: in the world didn't want to accept the resignation you're
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  Speaker 1: hearing from our friends at w DVMTV. That's reporter Taota
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  Speaker 1: reporting on this and joining me is the mother of
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  Speaker 1: that beautiful little girl, adri a special needs student who,
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  Speaker 1: along with her classmates, berated, insulted, threatened, threatened by teacher's aids.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible. With me their lawyer, well known Ben Selingo,
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  Speaker 1: the lawyer for Amber Pack. Also with me, Robin Willinski,
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot com investigative reporter, doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, and joining me right now,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Adrian Wood. Doctor Adrian is at Tales of an
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  Speaker 1: Educated Debutante dot com. She investigated this story and while
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  Speaker 1: the mom Amber Pack had brought this to everyone's attention,
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  Speaker 1: nobody did I think. There was not a blip on
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  Speaker 1: the screen until it was posted on Facebook. Doctor Adrian Wood,
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  Speaker 1: explain to me as a blogger, how you got involved
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  Speaker 1: in this story? You know, Nancy, I last about a
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  Speaker 1: week ago Sunday, was just scrolling through Facebook a Sunday
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  Speaker 1: evening and a friend had shared the clip that Amber
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  Speaker 1: thankfully had shared on Facebook. And as a special needs mom,
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  Speaker 1: myself a mother of four, my heartbrook And the more
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  Speaker 1: I looked into the case, the more horrified I became.
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  Speaker 1: And I think what struck me was not the abuses
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  Speaker 1: terrible on its own, but this subsequent lack of action
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  Speaker 1: just absolutely toward my heart apart. I realized that Amber
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  Speaker 1: Pack had called the police. The police met with the
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  Speaker 1: principal on October fifth. Officer Connor was a police officer
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  Speaker 1: that went in that day and the case never escalated
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  Speaker 1: to a detective. On that day, Amber Pack was told,
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  Speaker 1: I believe by the principle, that the teachers were talking
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  Speaker 1: to one another, and for the next twenty eight days,
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  Speaker 1: those teachers remained in the classroom as that all the
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  Speaker 1: other children. Amber fortunately had pulled Adre out of school,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't until Amber shared that clip on Facebook
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  Speaker 1: on October I believe it was twenty ninth. The following day,
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  Speaker 1: the two assistants were placed on leave, and the lead
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  Speaker 1: teacher was in the classroom until November fourteen. I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand it, Amber Pack. You're the mother of little Adre
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  Speaker 1: that endured all this, and we just heard a tiny
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  Speaker 1: sample of what Amber heard. What took so long? What
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  Speaker 1: do you mean they were talking to each other? I
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  Speaker 1: think that was the case of Cya Well, the police officer.
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  Speaker 1: When my husband emailed her the entire clip, she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: wasn't in the school within an hour or two. There's
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  Speaker 1: no way she listened to the whole eight hours. She
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  Speaker 1: only played them the I'm gonna punch you in the face.
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  Speaker 1: How no, yeah, I'm gonna punch you in the face,
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  Speaker 1: and then shut up. That's what that she played at
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  Speaker 1: in the principal's office. So they told me that they
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  Speaker 1: were talking to each other, and I said, you know, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you that one. I'll give you that one,
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  Speaker 1: but the whole recording is disgusting. You know, the whole
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  Speaker 1: day is discussing. They said, that's not the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that they said. And she told me that they would
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  Speaker 1: never hurt my child, and that she felt like this
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  Speaker 1: was a communication error, and that she wanted me to
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  Speaker 1: come in and have a meeting with Adrian's team, but
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  Speaker 1: I said that Adria would not be coming back there,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I started crying, and so I still
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  Speaker 1: don't understand joining me. Attorney for Amber Pack Ben Selango, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: I still don't understand why this is not clearly it's
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  Speaker 1: an assault, a simple assault at the least because a
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  Speaker 1: child suffered extreme anxiety. And that's not only based on
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  Speaker 1: Amber's observation, but a doctor as well. That's what simple
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  Speaker 1: assault is and the reason I'm talking about this, Ben Selengo,
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  Speaker 1: as you well know, just resigning that means these teachers
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  Speaker 1: ays can go somewhere else and do the same thing
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  Speaker 1: to other students. Ben, why is this not a crime?
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  Speaker 1: It is a crime, and it should have been charged,
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  Speaker 1: and we're still hopeful that it will be charged. They
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  Speaker 1: have there's a one year statue of limitation to bring
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  Speaker 1: the charges. But the prosecutor indicated that because the child
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  Speaker 1: cannot testify because she is nonverbal, that she could not
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  Speaker 1: expressed that she was in reasonable apprehension of a violent assault. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: wait wait, I'm sorry, Ben, please tell me that again.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecutor said because the child is nonverbal, she cannot
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  Speaker 1: testify that she was in reasonable apprehension of an attack. Okay, pause,
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  Speaker 1: right there, ben, Ben, let me tell you what happened
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  Speaker 1: to me when I was a prosecutor, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: ten years intercity Atlanta, all felonies. I had many, many
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  Speaker 1: child abuse in childlesstation cases. I'm thinking of two off
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  Speaker 1: the top of my head, and I can remember the
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  Speaker 1: defendants and the victims' names children, both of them non verbal.
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  Speaker 1: Both of them could not testify on the stand fully.
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  Speaker 1: Both of them put their heads down on like on
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  Speaker 1: their desk, let me just say, on the witness stand,
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  Speaker 1: and they could not continue their convictions in both and
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  Speaker 1: both of those were sex molestation charges. Okay, there are
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  Speaker 1: people that are nonverbal that are crime victims, and those
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  Speaker 1: are the cases that must be prosecuted more than any others,
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  Speaker 1: because those are the weakest people in our society. What
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  Speaker 1: do you mean, she's non verbal, so I can't prosecute
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  Speaker 1: the case. Who what's her name? What? What? What's what
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  Speaker 1: is the lawyer's name? My name is Delagatti. She's the
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  Speaker 1: Berkeley County prosecutor. And we agree with you. Catherine Wilke's
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  Speaker 1: Della Gatti, that's her name, and she is actually saying
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  Speaker 1: because the child can't speak, she can't prosecute the case.
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  Speaker 1: What did she go to law school? She did? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're hopeful that she was. Does she ever tried a case?
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  Speaker 1: Or is she just a political figurehead? Well? I U.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly think she could have been more aggressive with
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  Speaker 1: this one, and hopefully she will. I'm not gonna aggressive,
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  Speaker 1: I am. We're not pleased with. Okay, what she did
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  Speaker 1: help me somebody, I mean, okay, I'll take you out
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  Speaker 1: of the mix because you're trying to navigate this. Well
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  Speaker 1: what I'm doing. Deal, don't want to foreclose the ability
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  Speaker 1: for them to bring charges. Quite frankly, it would have
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  Speaker 1: been easy. Okay, it would have been easy to bring
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  Speaker 1: charges in this case. You should have and there would
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  Speaker 1: be a conviction, as you and I both know, once
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  Speaker 1: they play those tapes to a jury, they're done. I
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  Speaker 1: you right in your teeth. That for anxiety. I have
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  Speaker 1: to punch you in your phrase. Well you gotta go, peggy,
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  Speaker 1: piggy or do you not have to go pee? And
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  Speaker 1: you just want to go. I'm gonna pull your hair
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  Speaker 1: and don't throw it. Don't throw an yep, your winch
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  Speaker 1: like a pigmy, like a pigmy. When I hear that
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  Speaker 1: sound and there is eight hours of it. It just
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  Speaker 1: makes me physically recoil. You are hearing so called special
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  Speaker 1: aid teachers assistance, berating, torturing, verbally assaulting little children in
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  Speaker 1: class at school, and with me, the mother of that
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  Speaker 1: little girl, adri amber Pack is with me a mother
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  Speaker 1: of four, Adria's special needs ben Selingo, amber Pack's lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Adrian Would the blogger who investigated this story at
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  Speaker 1: Tales of an educated debutant dot com forensics expert Joe
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, and forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober. Doctor Bober,
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  Speaker 1: I can't help but notice there were three teachers in
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  Speaker 1: the room. Nobody said, guys, don't talk that way. Stop it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna report you. They all just went along. What
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  Speaker 1: is that pack mentality, doctor Bober. Yeah, it's pretty sick, Dancy.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of things as you have, and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: this story really makes me nauseous. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you see this like in fraternities where hazing is going on.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it really needs, I believe, criminal prosecution, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: it's just it's very it's just vicious. It's just absolutely vicious.
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  Speaker 1: I also don't understand why this is not a crime
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  Speaker 1: being considered a crime by Delagatti, the so called prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: in this case, who says she can't prosecute it because
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  Speaker 1: a child nonverbal. I've never heard a more bs in
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  Speaker 1: my whole life. To Joseph Scott Morgan, how can we
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  Speaker 1: prove this case? Maybe you can get of the prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: DELAGHATI a little tutorial. Yeah, it escapes me. How they
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  Speaker 1: cannot move forward with a with a prosecution. And to
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  Speaker 1: what Ben had said earlier, relative to the one years
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  Speaker 1: statute of limitation, maybe they're I don't know, maybe they're
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  Speaker 1: waiting to a point in time where they can move forward.
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  Speaker 1: One of the striking things about about this, Uh Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Amber really kind of oh boy, just put the bowl
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  Speaker 1: in this. Just a moment ago, she said, we're only
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: hearing eight hours of this. H We're only hearing a
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  Speaker 1: segment of eight hours. What about all of those days
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  Speaker 1: prior to this, day after day after day after day.
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  Speaker 1: And what really makes this so soul crushing is the
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  Speaker 1: fact that these children are nonverbal. You know, they're experiencing
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  Speaker 1: fear here over a protracted period of time. Lord only
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: knows what else has gone on in that classroom. Why
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: are they just on administrative leave, and then they were
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  Speaker 1: allowed to design One board member, Michelle Barnes Russell, voted
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  Speaker 1: no what she wanted them to stay on in their job.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: But what was that all about? To Amber Pack, the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: mother of little Adrie, Why did one board member vote
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  Speaker 1: know that they would not accept the resignation. I believe
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  Speaker 1: she voted no because she wanted them fired. But that's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: just my yeah, that's just my Oh okay, well that
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  Speaker 1: gives me a little renewed respect for her. Good for her,
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  Speaker 1: you know. To Ben Selano, lawyer for Amber Pack, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: does this mean these teachers aids can just go on
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  Speaker 1: to another school and inflict pain and misery on more students? Yes,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: yes it does. You know, every time the Berkeley County
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  Speaker 1: Board of Education had an opportunity to do the right thing,
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  Speaker 1: they chose not to. Specifically, they put these the teacher
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  Speaker 1: and the aids off on not just administrative league, paid administratively,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: they were paid to sit home. Finally, even after they
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  Speaker 1: had all of the evidence, they said, well, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: let you resign rather than permanate you. Now, as a token,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: they put a letter in their personnel file. But as
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you and I both know, personnel files are confidential, so
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: if they go across the border to Virginia or Maryland,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: those personnel files are not going to follow them. Even
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: if the new school district where they work requests them,
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  Speaker 1: they don't turn them over. So they clearly should have
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  Speaker 1: been fired, and it's shocking that the school board let
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  Speaker 1: them resign. Dude, Doctor Asian Wood, the blogger who investigated
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  Speaker 1: this story, she's at tell Zone Educated Debutant dot com.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of it, Adrian Um, I think
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  Speaker 1: we need to be concerned that Christina luster the lead
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  Speaker 1: teacher immediately once she resigned, and she got a job
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  Speaker 1: at Grafton and Berryville, West Virginia. It's group home for
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  Speaker 1: troubled teens. And she was not fired until tuesday. And
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  Speaker 1: so I think you're seeing exactly the fear of what happens.
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  Speaker 1: It's in a personnel file, like the attorney just stated,
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  Speaker 1: and here up until Tuesday, she's been working with troubled teens.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, after this, how can that be? Doctor Wood?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: You know, I think what we're seeing in West Virginia
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  Speaker 1: is the epitome of the good old boy network. I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: have never in my life seeing so many people cover
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  Speaker 1: up crime. And I think there's been The other night
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  Speaker 1: at the board meeting, you heard parent after parent, men, women,
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  Speaker 1: grandparents cry and tell these stories of abuse, and they
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: were never heard. And I don't think it was until
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  Speaker 1: a group got together and said, you know what, we're
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: not as dumb as you think we are, and we
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  Speaker 1: are not going to stand for this any longer. The
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: game is over. This is all going down in a
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  Speaker 1: small town in West Virginia. A secret classroom recording has
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  Speaker 1: very upsetting threats made by instructors toward not just students,
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  Speaker 1: but special needs students. And if the community in Martinsburg
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: lets this go without a prosecution, it's on them. It
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: is on them. If that's what they want in their schools,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: it's on them. If they want to let deel how
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  Speaker 1: to get away with this, it's on them. The first
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: protest over the recording happened at Town Center. Now. The
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: recording was made by Amber Pack, who knew something was
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: horribly wrong happening with her daughter at school. Her daughter's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: special needs adri would run and hide from her in
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the morning when it was time to go to school,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: would get so anxious that the port little thing couldn't
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  Speaker 1: speak and tell mommy was wrong and would cry and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: be upset. Now we know what was wrong. One instructor,
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  Speaker 1: I ought to backhand you right in the teeth. How's
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  Speaker 1: that for anxiety. That's after the mom told the teachers
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  Speaker 1: that the daughter was having anxiety. It goes on and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: on and on with the teachers berating and threatening the students.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I want to go to Joe Scott Morgan. I agree
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  Speaker 1: with the mom Amber Pack. She is leading the fight
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: for classroom cameras and I don't know why that doesn't exist.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: They've even got him. At daycare for dogs and cats,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you can look in and see your dog hopping around
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and barking and eating, and we will do that for pets,
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  Speaker 1: but not for children. Yeah, isn't that odd, Nancy? That
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you know? I think that you know the world that
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  Speaker 1: we live in nowadays. I think there ought to be
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  Speaker 1: an app on the phone where if you want to
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  Speaker 1: look in on your child, you ought to be able
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  Speaker 1: to click on a button and be able to see
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in the classroom. Because it's getting to
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  Speaker 1: this point, you know, it's really it's really an odd construct.
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  Speaker 1: It We go into these environments with these children that
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  Speaker 1: are so fragile, and we're essentially turning them over to
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  Speaker 1: an unknown person. We don't know what their background is.
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  Speaker 1: We hope that the school system has vetted them appropriately,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: but you know, they just kind of disappeared behind these
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  Speaker 1: doors after that period of time. Eight hours a day,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and that's very scary, man, eight hours a day alone
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  Speaker 1: with your children. It's standing room only on Monday's Berkeley
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: County school Board meeting, and emotions are at an all
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  Speaker 1: time as parents ask for multiple resignations of school district officials.
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  Speaker 1: I ask you that you do the right thing and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you turn in your resignation immediately. Everyone upset over a
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  Speaker 1: secret school recording exposing three instructors in a special education
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  Speaker 1: class making disturbing comments to first graders out a back hand.
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  Speaker 1: You write your team the district, says teacher Christina Lester,
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  Speaker 1: and aids June Iorish and Christian Dowdy have all resigned
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  Speaker 1: in connection. People faced down the school board, including two
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: of the moms of students who are the target of
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  Speaker 1: the alarming comments. What I heard was nothing short of horrific,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and all I could think was, please, guys, tell me
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  Speaker 1: this was an isolated incident. Many comments directed at superintendent
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  Speaker 1: Manny Arvon. People believe he didn't remove all the instructors
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  Speaker 1: fast enough from the classroom and failed to alert all
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  Speaker 1: the students parents. You're hearing our friend that is Aliyah
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Williamson at w DVMTV an outrage parents who show up
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  Speaker 1: at a school board meeting demanding resignations after this abuse
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: audio is released by mom Amber Pack on Facebook because
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: she was not getting any response from the school, so
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: she finally had to release it on social media. Amber
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  Speaker 1: Pack with me now along with doctor Adriane Wood, a blogger.
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  Speaker 1: It tells of an educated debutante dot com doctor Adrianne Wood,
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  Speaker 1: a blogger who investigated this story, Amber's lawyer Ben Selango,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, and doctor Daniel Bober. We are also
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: learning that the West Virginia Attorney General is launching a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: suit against the teacher's aids accused of mistreatment. The West
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Virginia Attorney General's Office now investigating the allegations the teacher's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: aids mistreated children in a special ed classroom. They found
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  Speaker 1: out after Amber made this public getting no response from
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  Speaker 1: the school. Now, the ag Patrick Marcy is seeking the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: enforcement of a state's Human Rights Act. The teachers are
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: guilty of verbally assaulting nonverbal special needs children. To Ben Selano,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Amber's lawyer, what about that? Will that land them in
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  Speaker 1: jail or will it be considered a criminal action? No,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: you know, we appreciate the attorney general's assistance in the case,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and certainly his involvement will help with investigation. But the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: attorney General doesn't have the authority to prosecute. All he
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: can do is get an injunction to keep them from
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  Speaker 1: teaching in West Virginia. It doesn't even go beyond the
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  Speaker 1: borders of West Virginia, and then he can he can
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: enforce file. Well, hold on, wait a minute, Wait a minute,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Ben Selingo, how embarrassing for the district attorney,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the county prosecutors, you guys call them? Yeah, what was
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: her name again? Kata Delagotti is her name? And Katie Dellagotti.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: How embarrassing for the state attorney general to have to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: take some kind of an action because you're, let me
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: just say, sitting on your thumb dropping the ball and
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to you. Robin Wilenski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: what about the cops who first answer the call? That's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: my biggest beef with this entire case. You have a
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: crime that goes on, or an alleged crime, and you
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: have the first police officer on the scene, Nancy, and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: that person is like, oh, nothing to see here, gotta go.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't bump it up to her boss, to the detective bureau,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to the investigators, to sexual assault if there was, we
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: don't know. She just looks the other way and goes
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  Speaker 1: on with her day. That to me, the first line
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  Speaker 1: of defense is the first police officer who is called
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  Speaker 1: to the scene to investigate, who does nothing to Amber Pat,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the mother of Adri, who was so distraught over her
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: child's anxiety and crying, not wanting to go to school anymore,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: upset all the time. Remember her child as nonverbal. But
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I can tell when something's wrong with John Daverley. See,
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  Speaker 1: I can tell just by looking at them that something
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: is wrong. She can tell something's wrong with Adri. Can
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you imagine what drove her to buy a recording device
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and put it in her child's hair. It was to
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that point, Amber Pat, when you heard the recording. What
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: was your reaction? Tell me about the moment you heard
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: this recording. At some points, I was just so mad
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: you know, I was shaken and then the verbal threats
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: they actually made me vomits. Pow. Is your daughter behaving
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: now that she's in a new environment. Wonderfully, she's progressing.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: She's done more than three months at her new schools
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: than she did in the year at the old one.
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  Speaker 1: They've had to work very hard. I bet they have.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And it's hard enough for a child without a disability,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: much less with the disabilities your little adri is facing. Amber.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see these teachers, aids or teacher face
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to face. Yeah, yeah, not since not since the incident.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: But what they say, um before, I mean, you know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: smiles and waves. No. No, no one ever told me
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: that they had such a problem with my child. You know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the problem is not with your child, the problems with
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: with themselves. No, the problem is definitely not with my child.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: But they never let me know that that this is
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: how her day went. You know that she cried the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: entire day. Did she ever come home with scratches or bruises?
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: She did have bruises on her forearms. But like, there's
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: no way for me to um, I don't know for
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: sure where they can go. Okay, let me understand this, Uh,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: so Amber, she goes to school without bruises, she comes
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: home with bruises on her arms, like uh, like little
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: dots like on her forearm, Like maybe she could have
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: bumped or it could have been somebody grabbed her, you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: know she does. I mean, Jess got more game you
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And I've seen that a million times in criminal cases.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Now we're typically talking about dead bodies, but where women
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: usually or children are grabbed by someone on their arms
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: above the elbows or yanking them along under the elbow,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and those are actually finger bruises where the fingers are
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the thumb imprint into the child's arms. Yes, I would
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: be suspicious of that, like she's saying, we can't prove that,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: but I would be suspicious. Yeah, I would. And that's great, Amber.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that you did you just say about pictures.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Did you show that to the so called county prosecutor. No,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to bring my phones into the meeting,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: so but they never asked me to sing them to
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: them either. Good. Great, I'm glad you've got Slango working
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: for you. For Pete's sake, I see this as a
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: huge miscarriage of justice. I mean, at least at the least,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the county prosecutor could take the case to try and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: let a journey say not guilty if they want to.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: But I've got a feeling once they hear this audio tape,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: they won't say not guilty. Hey, Ben s Lengo, you're
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the lawyer for Amber Pack. Is this jurisdiction West Virginia,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: which I visited many times. I've got a relative from
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: West Virginia. Is that a one or two party recording state? State? Wonderful? Yeah,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and it gets even better. There's a West Virginia case
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: right on point where the mother her consent can transfer
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: to the child, so the tape is admissible. Yeah, well
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: we're talking about Sorry, went to a warp speed there,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: lawyer taught. I hate it when lawyers do that. What
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it is is when you make a secret recording of someone.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: In some states, both parties, the recorder and the record
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: ee have to agree to be taped. In many other states,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I think the majority it's one party consent, Like you
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: can take people to call you in your home in
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: many states. And that's what happened here. Amber did the recording,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the teachers did not consent to it, but that is
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: admissible in West Virginia to you, Robert Willinski, Crime online
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. What now, Nancy? So going forward,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: here's what we have. Amber Pack's attorney, Ben Silango, believes
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: he can prove her daughter was also physically assaulted. So
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: he is filing a civil lawsuit with the goal of
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: having a jury decide damages and if money is awarded,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: it would go into a trust for the little girl
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: to have when she turns eighteen. Now, meanwhile, and other
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: developments get this, they are in search of a new
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: school superintendent. The Berkeley County Board of Ed, in a
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: unanimous vote, has accepted the resignation of Manny Arvon, who
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: is retiring. And I use air quotes here. By all accounts,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: he was totally ineffective. As you'll recall, amber Pack gives
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the audio tape to police. Police turn it over to
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the principle. The principal turns it over to the superintendent
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: and guess what, nothing, Absolutely nothing was done. So now
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: he's retiring, Nancy. So what now, Amber Pack? What do
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you want to happen now? And how can I help you?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I want them criminally charged. I want cameras in the classrooms.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel like our whole board of education
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: needs looked into. We have we're passing down principal roles
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: at schools like their family business. You know, there's no
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: reason everyone's son or daughter on the board has or
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: brother or you know, is a principal at a school.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Which it just it doesn't make sense to me. Everyone
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: here is related. In prayse mine, that's quite the coin,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: kid ink the coincidence, the coincidence that every year on
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the school board, somehow your relatives get to be principles.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: You know what sounds to me like there's a whole
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: lot of house cleaning that needs to be done. Go
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to crime online dot com if you want to hear
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: these audio recordings, if you want to read about this,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: if you want your voice to be heard, which I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: do because it would be my honor one day to
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: meet Adrian and to meet Amber Pack and Ben Selango
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and doctor Adrian Wood. I want to thank all of you,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: including Joe Scott Morgan, doctor Daniel Bober, and Robin Wilensky.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Let's pray to God we can make a difference, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: we can make a change for the better in this world.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's Crime Story signing off, good Bye FRIP.