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The Heaviest "ISH" Life Can Throw At You: A Cancer Diagnosis (SWAC Pod's Jamie) · Surviving-ISH Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Those the first third.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, welcome back to Surviving Ish.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm freaking so excited.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: So we have Jamie with us from Swag Pod.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: And Jamie, you and I have a bit of a history, don't we?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's yeah, a little bit.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: We go back some years.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: And and we go back to when I think of Jamie, I think of when we met in Texas and you were karaoke on the stage, and it was my favorite.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was so fun.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: That hey, I give myself kudos for realizing I can't do this.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: I literally got up on the stage, thought I was gonna sing none of your business, and I mic dropped, and I was like, I'm too drunk for this.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: But your mic dropped beautifully, right?
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like I love the security that you have, and you're like, this part I can do.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I got to you, you're like, oh wait, there's parts of the song that I didn't realize I didn't know, and you're like, I'm done.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then you let go of the mic, and you said, I'll dance here, and then you just danced, and I love it, I love it, I love the confidence, I love all of that.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you and I met through to to the new listeners because I'm building new traction, I'm getting new people.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, welcome everyone.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: History between Jamie and I.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: We follow a true crime podcast, we connected with several of us.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Jamie has always wanted to start a podcast, a true crime podcast versus just a group of people, whether it's one or ten, and talk about our favorite true crime cases.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: And there was several of us that connected.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: We did it, we talked about it.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just naturally, because of life and things, we all support each other.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you and now Christy are the host of Swag Pod.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, you all cover cases.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: And what I love, we talked about this off the record, but what I love about you all is you all also highlight cases that maybe didn't get enough coverage or the coverage that they should.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: And one of my favorites is where you got to speak with the mother of a missing person who's how many years has it been for Allie?
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: 16 years.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: 16 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: She went missing in 2010, April of 2010.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so Joanne is the mother.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: You and I have actually done a live with her, and uh, she's gonna be a guest on the show.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but I just I'm gonna put all the links.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: I want everyone to share follow-leave reviews, all the things, because this is so important.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: I love what you're doing.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we are supposed to start out the show lighthearted.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Guess who messed that up?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, it's me.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but when I see you, I'm like, true crime, and I'm like, oh, true crime is bad.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so I immediately because who better to describe to discuss dark, heavy topics with than a safe friend, right?
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, let's get right into it.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm gonna stick to the branding and platform that my listeners like.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, Jamie, my love, what are you surviving is?
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: Whew, so my five-year-old is in the step below like competitive cheer, like what you see on the Netflix show cheer.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: So she's not quite all-star cheer, but we've got three practices a week, a game, and we are just about to head into our first competition on Sunday.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going through it right now, like I'm fighting with a five-year-old, and I'm downstairs going, okay, five, six, seven, eight, one, two, three, four.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, nope, you didn't do it on three, four.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: Start over.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go back.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then I have her like, oh, I don't want to do it.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to go to bed.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then my husband's like, she's fucking five.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, she is freaking five.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Why are we doing this?
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, she's gonna go on the mat.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna let her embarrass herself on the mat.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna let her get last place.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing it again.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I am surviving-ish that I also um have realized I should probably be on my own reality TV show because I take this stuff a little seriously, and the other moms don't really sit with me at practice anymore.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so is there gonna be a picture or a video of someone like me like look at my daughter chair?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: And just in the background, there's a single person sitting on the bleachers watching by themselves, and 30 feet away, there's a group of people.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: Is that single person?
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: Is that gonna be you?
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, maybe depend depends how well we do.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: So are we mad at that though?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I listen.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: Five, six, seven, eight means something.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get to it.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: Were you a cheerleader in school?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was not.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: I actually got kicked out of gym class.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I athletically inclined, I am not.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, but I was getting kicked out because you were not good or no.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I went to school like in the sticks, like in the middle of the country.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: My graduating class is only 65 people.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh so we did archery, like legit archery with real bows and arrows.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: And my gym teacher liked to call me out for everything because I'm not athletically inclined, and I did not have the right form.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: He is halfway across the football field yelling my last name as I'm like this, and I turn to say what, and he's like, drop it, we're done.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna murder me out here, and I was like, I was just answering your question.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's like with a bow and arrow aimed at me, and I was like, Fair, okay, fair, see you later.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: But he's the teacher, he should know when to not distract someone.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: It ended up being a blessing in disguise because there was a girl who is now my best friend in life, one of my best friends in life since high school.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she also got kicked out of gym class for different reasons, and we bonded because we still had to like do something physical in the period.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we played tennis, we went up to the weight room and we became besties.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it was meant to be.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: I got kicked out of gym class because I forged a note from my parents saying David doesn't want to, and they didn't believe it.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that is the most honest I've ever been in my life, other than signing my mom's name, but she would have.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, so here's what I'm surviving-ish.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I had a situation where I um was gonna be written up at work for something that was out of my control, and I scratched my head, I wasn't gonna sign it, and I did my due diligence and I went through the letter, and then I I got to the vice president, and the vice president kept throwing her title in my face that she is the vice president, and as a vice president, and she didn't like me, and I said, and here's why I said, My first impression of you as a vice president is I emailed you introducing myself, what I can offer.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: I spent a lot of time on that email, and I got an email back that was 13 words negating everything that I had sent you.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: I said, So there's no leadership in that.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, What concerns me is you were concerned that I defend myself because I don't have to have this job.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: I do have to have a job, but I don't have to have this one, I'm not desperate for Friday's paycheck.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to let you talk to me a certain way because I'm so desperate for money to feed my child that I'm going to sit down and shut up.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because what I will not do is sit down and shut up.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because here's the thing if you're already talking to me this way, you already don't like me and you already want me out the door.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, your agenda's already set.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, and what I will not do is let someone talk to me a certain way.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Especially when they think that I'm so beneath them because they're a title.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I said, ma'am, you can Google my voting record and show that I do not tolerate dictatorships.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: But my question to you, Jamie, is you are a leader.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you and I have the same kind of understanding that we are only as good as our leaders.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: So we try to be the best, right?
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like we try to be open-minded, empathetic, sympathetic.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: All the lead by example.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: How do you talk to people and feel them almost like tucking their tail between their legs because they're afraid to say the truth to you because you are a leader?
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I first will say so.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um a group of accountants that I put out on different projects, and we go into messy situations, and so I not my first rodeo to have a client call me and say Sally did this, and I can't pay the I'm not gonna pay you guys because she's just ridiculous.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I never go into that situation because of course I'm gonna have a conversation with my employee and I'm gonna say, what happened here?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: How did we get to this place?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: I never go into that with a the preconceived notion that my person was 100% wrong, or B, this I'm going to puff up my chest and make you feel less than because I'm quote unquote better than you.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: I go into it with a complete open mind of, hey, here's what I heard.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's only one side of the story.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: I want to hear yours, and then I'd like to, you know, take all the facts and come to the truth.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because what I have learned in 15 years of doing my job is there's side A, side B, and then side there, the truth is really a mix of the both, right?
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because the side A feels very strongly about their feelings, side B feels really strongly about their feelings, and so naturally I do it, you do it, everybody does it.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to slight the story to make it advantageous to you, which is human nature.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so, as an outsider, like for me, for example, I have the client, I have an employee, I have to say, where's the middle?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: How do we get to here?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then have an honest conversation with that person and say, Hey, and I think empathy is what a lot of leadership lacks, and we don't put ourselves in that individual situation.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so I always say, Hey, I get it.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: If I was in your similar situation, I would have wanted to do the same thing, but then I make them have empathy.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, but if we look at it from a client's perspective, can you see where this doesn't look right?
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: Or they would have perceived it this way.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm always gonna have your back, but we've got to fall on our sword a little bit, right?
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're more apt to open up and say, you know what, this is really what happened.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: And they're even a lot of times coming to me and saying, Jamie, this is where I messed up.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: I can't tell you how many times I had people just call me out of the blue and they're like, the client might not call you, but I just want to let you know that this happened today in case they do.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I pride myself on that.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's so cool that I have people that are so comfortable with me enough to call me up and say, I have to up today, and I'm just letting you know.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: You but you know what, Jamie?
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: I said, let's talk about our funny little petty grievances, but that was kind of deep.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Happy ending, but deeper than I wanted it to originally be.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: But you know what?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's what this you're just prepping us.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's what this prep platform is about.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: But with that said, it is now time to get into a deeper topic.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: And this is something that I think, well, I don't think stats and everything shows that we are all affected, whether we are the person or a a loved one of.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna talk about the ugliest word in the world to me, and that's the C word cancer.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly how my doctor said it to me before I got diagnosed.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: They said we are going to rule out the C word.
• 14:39
  unknown: You're a doctor.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not a doctor, but I have the same empathy, sympathy, maybe brains of a doctor.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Should you go back to school?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Should we do a different profession?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna take this one recording, put it into my resume, case close.
• 15:03
  unknown: Done.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, obviously, when we have conversations like this, I get nervous and I make jokes, and that's immediately where I went, right?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because you mean a lot to me.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I did not know you during your battle with cancer, but I've seen you throughout your recovery with it, I guess.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: And how even when you get those results of hey, you're cancer free, there's still that thing in your brain of how long, right?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to make it clear that I did not know you then, but I've hopefully have been a loving support to you during your journey of recovery.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And one thing that I love so much is is when I think about Jamie.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's so many things I think about, but I think about how much you touch her hair.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's my ADHD.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: We should do another story or another podcast episode on ADHD.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you I also have my little squishy here that I've been trying to do.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and it matches your microphone.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: And and you might say that I'm wrong with this.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's totally fine, like I'm not here to be right, but we were friends for quite a while before I realized you were a cancer survivor.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but one thing that I've always noticed about you is how you touch her hair, and I wonder how much that is a uh a reaction, and and maybe a and probably a good reaction to the the survivor side of cancer.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um it is a little bit of like, oh, it's it's here.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I can I can feel it.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: It is also a big part of ADHD and like what can I do?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: I need to focus on this conversation.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: So if I touch this hair, that helps me focus a little bit.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it is, and I think I might be brave enough to share with you, David, since we are doing the cancer episode.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: I have a picture of myself at my throes of chemo with my least amount of hair.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I was holding on to all 10 strands that I had up there, and people were very kind, and they told me you look fine and you look okay, but looking back now, I've made the commitment to myself that if it comes back and I ever go through chemo, I'm just gonna do the damn thing and shave it.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was being very proud.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know it was my first journey as a woman and anybody else whose vein, your hair is like your whole personality, and I just I didn't want to let it go.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to wear a wig.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I and so it's rough, and it took a long time for it to grow back.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I am almost to my five-year mark, which is where they say you're officially in remission, and I've finally got almost a full head of hair, but it used to be even thicker than this before I was diagnosed, so yeah, that is part of it.
• 18:22
  unknown: Yeah.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so I know this is gonna be a tough conversation, but it these are the conversations that need to be had.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: So would you mind to take us to when you found out what kind of cancer you had and and lead us to from beginning to now?
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it's got kind of a cool story.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: My husband doesn't uh love that I share this all the time because I think he sometimes wonders like if my son hears the story, how he's gonna feel about it.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: But I and tell me what your thoughts are.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if you've ever heard this whole story, but I I genuinely believe that my daughter saved my life.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Here's why.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So my son is now 13, 10 years ago.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: We decided, hey, we want to have another kid, we want to pull the goalie.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we did that, and we had a hell of a time having a baby, like uh a couple of miscarriages, constant tests, this and that and the other.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so finally in 2020, we decided, okay, nothing else is, or it was actually I take that back.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: 2019, we said, hey, nothing else is really working.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think we've got to seriously look at IVF, right?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if we're gonna have this other kid.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: We at that point, I think we had been trying for four years and nothing was happening.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, okay, let's get serious about IVF, let's set aside the money.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: I went on my husband's insurance because his company paid more money for it.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so we started going through all the testing and through through the testing, found out that a you're older, you don't have as many eggs, you can still have a baby.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like they tested that.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are good.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but also one of your tubes is completely blocked, and you need the tubes for the eggs to drop, and not gonna get into a science lesson, but one tube blocked out of two doesn't make for good chances.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: So as we move move further and further in the progression, and we finally sat down with IVF clinic right before COVID.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was 38 at the time, and they basically said um that you can't have a kid on your own.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: You've got a block tube, you're 38, and you've been trying for four years, like we've got to intervene.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Okay, let's do it, let's start it.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we were right in the process of it, and then COVID hit.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: So at that point, well, even before we get to that point, February of 2020, I got pregnant, but it was a tubal pregnancy.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I had to have it surgically removed along with my tube.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't completely remember, I can't remember if it was the tube that was 90% blocked that was removed, or if it was the other tube, but I just remember waking up from the anesthesia of that, and the first words out of my mouth to the doctor was can I still have a baby?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, Girl, just wake up, like with what now.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I really want to have a baby, and all this, and uh so then COVID really hit, and um IVF is an elective surgery.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: So during COVID, it was only medically necessary things that people were allowed to come in to the hospital and do.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would call the clinic.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: I started with every week and said, Can I come in now?
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Can I come in now?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, girl, just call us monthly.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's not gonna happen.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: So then at that point, I was like, Okay, you're right, I'll just call you every month when I get sad and I miss my period again.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I was doing that for about two or three months, and then it was Memorial Day weekend, and David and I both love to have a beverage or two from time to time, and uh David Who's just David Who's that guy?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: I remember Memorial Day weekend, and we were about to go on our third day of drinking, and I was like, something feels off, I'm a little late, but clearly it couldn't be this.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I took a pregnancy test and I was like, holy shit, I'm pregnant! Like, this is crazy, right?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Without IVF, because we couldn't go to the clinic because it was May of 2020.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, Well, obviously, I'm not gonna drink today.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna schedule an appointment for next week.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I went and met with my OB.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: My OB's like, cool, I'm excited, but also like you got a lot of shit going on.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you can't get excited about this.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I need to set you up to go meet with somebody else.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that this is gonna be a viable pregnancy, yada, yada, yada.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I went through a lot of testing um with Chloe, but she persevered, man.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: She wanted to be here, and she uh made me pretty miserable.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: I got real big, I got my feet turned into boats, and uh it was it was a tough pregnancy, but we made it there.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: And this is where the cancer thing is gonna tie in.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: So two years before I got pregnant, I um had noticed I had been having like some blood in my stool.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I asked Google, I asked some friends, and they're like, Well, if it's bright red, it's not a big deal.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, don't worry about it.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: So you did everything that we would naturally do that we're not supposed to do to self-diagnose, right?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did all the things, and so I did finally call my general practitioner and I said, Hey, this is going on.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, come in.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Came in, and she's like, Yeah, I think this is a hemorrhoid.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and this is before I got pregnant, so I just want to bring us up to speed there.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Okay, well, so what do we do?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, Well, just monitor it.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, for months, years, weeks.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Yeah, just monitor it.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that was in 2019, still kind of happening, but not crazy, right?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was just like, oh, it's probably just still this hemorrhoid thing, whatever.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Fast forward to me being now, I think, six or seven months pregnant with Chloe, and the symptoms got real bad.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's not just in my stool.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm not even having normal stools anymore.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes when I think I'm gonna have a stool, it's just blood, like toilet full of blood.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I called her back up.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Hey, this is going on super concerning.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in everybody should be their own advocate.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so I went in and she's like, Yeah, this seems kind of off, but and you know, she pointed to me and she's like, but this, and I was like, Yeah, I know I'm pregnant, nobody knows more than me.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, There's not really much we can do until after you have the baby.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Can you at a minimum like can I be referred to a GI specialist so they can start to do something?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: And begrudgingly, it was kind of like a yes, and I'm like, can you just do it?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just do it, please.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: So she did.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Met with the GI hottest GI doctor I've ever had in my whole life.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: And do you want to know how embarrassing that is to have the hottest doctor ever that looks at your ass and you have to talk about shit with him?
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Trust me, I have a story for you.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: I will say for a later day, but yes, yes.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I meet with him and he's like, gosh, you're so young, but okay, you're having these issues.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure, you know, it's maybe you're gluten allergic to gluten, maybe you have IBS, maybe you have this.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, We're gonna start with a physical exam, then we're gonna do all these tests.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I go through a litany of everything.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's and I remember texting Luke one night.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Ironically, we had come to Florida to live for a month just to see if we liked it.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I was getting to the end of testing with the GI specialist, and I said, I'm starting to get really scared because all these tests are coming back negative, and the only thing left to do is a colonoscopy to see if they can see what's going on in there.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: And as he would, and as you should do, he's like, I'm sure it's fine, it's whatever.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: We get through everything, and at this time, I think I was like eight or nine months pregnant, and he's like, I mean, we are going to do a colonoscopy to his words, rule out the C word, but we can't do that till after you have the baby.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, luckily, my my pregnancy was awful, but so that made me be very distracted.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I ended up having Chloe.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, she was the loudest baby I've ever had in my life.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: The nurses couldn't even talk to me after I had her.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: She came out very fast.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Story for another podcast, but uh right after that, I remember I wanted to meet with my GI specialist, like literally the week I had her and say, okay, now I had her, now what?
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, You have to be six weeks postpartum or post delivery or whatever, however you call it, right?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Okay, let's put it on the calendar now.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Okay, damn, like settle down, like go hug your baby.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I will, but she cries a lot, but she will, she cries a lot.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure, I'm not even sure if I like her right now.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, seriously, yes, 100%.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: I love the honesty behind it.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I want you to knock me out so I can have this damn nap so I can finally get some sleep, sir.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: I love the honesty.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because every mother thinks those things, but they feel bad to send them all.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that you're like, she's really loud.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: And and I would rather have a colonoscopy than to spend another day with her right now.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's okay.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: That is okay.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was happy.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: You need to normalize those things, Jamie.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for helping normalize that.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, laughing, but I was really serious.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was it was kind of half and half.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was half like I could really use the break, and half I also really want this answer.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that a colonoscopy would be a break for you.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever could put me to sleep at that point, and I have even an hour away from her.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Please, let's do it.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: We'll take it.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I had Chloe in January of 2021.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: So late January 2021, January 21st.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And this colonoscopy was scheduled for early March.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think that, like literally, the day I was six weeks, I was like, let's go.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Still in COVID times.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Luke was not allowed to go into the room with me.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: I got, he dropped me off at the front door of the place.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: I went upstairs by myself.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Extremely, I don't want to say, I wasn't scared yet.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was nervous.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was wasn't scared.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, I'm gonna do this and they're gonna figure something out that's not scary.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: May I ask you, had you already considered this ought to be cancer, or had that not even crossed your mind?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, I did.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: I did because that that text I sent Luke when I was sitting there, like eight and a half months pregnant, that was basically me saying without saying, I think this could be cancer.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because it was like I don't even know what I would compare it to, but it's like one of those things where it's like you're trying to test out everything up until the worst thing.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: And every time something came back and that they were like, Oh, well, good news, this is normal.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, but is it good news?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I kind of want one of these things to be wrong with me.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of my family had cancer, my grandma had colon cancer.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it runs in my aunt died very young of um small cell cancer, my grandpa died of cancer, so yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it runs in your family.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: How I can relate to you is living in the Bible belt.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: I heard that if you even kiss a man, you get AIDS, and so fucked up.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so once I became sexually active, I started getting tested on a regular basis.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's the testing procedures have changed now, but you would have to go like six weeks before you would get the results back.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: And during those six weeks, if I sneezed, I was like, because if you Google symptoms of and they're like, Oh well, you may sneeze randomly, and it's like, oh fuck.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like I have seriously, so so anything that I um it was like, are you depressed?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Or did you sneeze?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Did you cough?
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Did you feel bad?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't relate that I felt bad because I drank the night before, as so therefore it was a hangover.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, no, I I did throw up yesterday, I did feel bad.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I would go weeks thinking I was dying of AIDS, yeah, to then hear that I was not, you know, but then three months later, repeat process.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so not trying to hijack or make it about me, but like I I understand-ish um what you're saying, right?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, because I had those moments of like, do I want someone in the room in the room with me when I get the results?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do I want to hear this by myself and then let me process it and decide how to relay the message?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like you go through like a whole scenario and what if it is this, how would I handle it?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right at that six-week mark, I basically begged my doctor, like, let's set this up, let's get this on the calendar.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so March of early March of 2021, I want to say it was like the sixth or seventh, Luke dropped me off in COVID time, so I had to go up in the elevator by myself and gave them Luke's phone number.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, hey, once we get you all done, we're gonna go ahead and give him a call, and then we're gonna wheelchair you down, and we're gonna tell him, and then we'll like discuss the results with you later on, type of thing.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, a little scary that I'm it was my first time going under anesthesia too.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, oh, I'm doing this by myself, but I was like, you can do it, just be brave.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: This is the last step, and then you're gonna like have the answers that you need, type of thing.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: So okay, this part is hard.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I remember I woke up from anesthesia and I looked across the room, and Luke was in the room.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it took Wait, so they ended up letting him in the room?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it took me a minute to like put two and two together, and I think they were talking to him while they were waiting for me to wake up, type of thing.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I must have opened my eyes or I said something, and they're like, Oh, you're awake.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I just remember the look on my doctor's face, and then Luke just like trying to hold it together.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they said, I said, I thought I I thought you were gonna wheelchair me downstairs, like he's up here, like what's going on, and they're like, We found a mask, and so they only gave you signatures case scenario, right?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: Best case scenario is I put you down, your house will wait in the car before they put me down, yes.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because in their eyes, and I find this more and more as I go through my journey, every person, medical professional I meet with just doesn't believe it, right?
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, in their eyes, they're like, You're so young, there's no fucking way this could be cancer.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, whatever this is, we're gonna find it, we're gonna rule it out, but it's not going to be cancer.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, before I went under anesthesia, and and maybe it was a little bit that, or maybe it was a little bit of we just want her to go to sleep without any worries.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, they only gave me best case scenario, and so waking up to that was like, holy shit, it was like a slap in the face, and um his exact words were I've done this a lot, I've seen this a lot, I am fairly certain this is cancer, but I can't tell you that for sure.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: So we're sending it to the pathologist.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I want you to go ahead.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Here's who I recommend you meet with.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: I want you to meet with an oncologist, I want you to meet with a surgeon, and we need to start getting on this right away.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: So the reason I say Chloe save my life is because those symptoms I was having could very easily have been ignored for 10 or 15 years because they weren't severe enough where it was debilitating my life.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was more of an annoyance.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: But when I got pregnant with her, you grow and your body shifts, and I think it pushed the tumor just enough to be like, hey, I mean, it was at the I think they said it was like a 90% blockage.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: So like I had a little sliver of that was open in my colon for shit to get through, literally.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: And remember, I was not supposed to have her.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: The doctors literally, my GI or my OB looked me in the face, the fertility clinic looked me in the face and said, You will not get pregnant on your own.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: And even when I did, my OB said, This is not going to be a viable pregnancy.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I genuinely believed she was meant to be here and meant to give me that message to say, go get this shit checked out.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because I fast forward to them going through pathology and doing all the things, and I I never knew there's a tumor board, there's a board that meets to discuss your tumor.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I won't get into a ton of details on it, but they originally diagnosed me with stage one, but later found out I had a shitty person reading my scans, and um they diagnosed me with stage three.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: And what if, you know, I think this all the time.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: What if I wouldn't have gotten pregnant?
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: What if the symptoms wouldn't have gotten that bad?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was already at 90% blockage.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: What if five more years went by and my colon exploded?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm dead.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: What if three more years went by and it's not stage three anymore?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's stage four, and now it's progressed to my lungs or to my liver or to wherever.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: And that's unfortunately end game for colon cancer.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: I've I had a lot of friends die from that.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Is there an age range that colon cancer is predominant in?
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: Is I get I guess my question is with you being at a young age and able to have a child, like is that common or are you part of a different statistic?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't when I was diagnosed, it was still thought of as the old man disease.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because when I think about that, I think about men.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: When I was in treatment, like it it was a lot of older people.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: I did get a lot of like, what the fuck are you doing here, looks?
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: But now you know, I'm five years out, and full disclosure, I had I technically had rectal cancer, but they they put colorectal together, and I barely had rectal cancer, so not to get into a total anatomy thing, but your rectum connects with your colon.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like your colon is this big shit tube that connects to your rectum, and then your rectum is like this tank that holds your shit.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Mine was like basically right where they connected, so they technically called it rectal cancer, but same thing, same color.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's still all the blue that I have here.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: But I will say, in the last five years, it has progressively shown up younger and younger and younger.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: So we all know two of the famous people.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, gosh, I can't think of his name right now.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: He was a gorgeous black man that played in the Panther movie.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: His name is escaping me right now.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna really bug me.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he died of colon cancer, super duper young.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um there was James Vanderbeek, stage three, yeah, colorectal cancel, just like me.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Died in his 40s.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: That one hit me hard because I was like, that could literally be fucking me.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Chadwick Bosman.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: Chadwick.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Chadwick Bosman.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 41:24
  unknown: Yeah.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: They're still doing a lot of research on it.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: They're trying to get louder about it.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: We have our own month, but we are still not the Susan G.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: Come and everything is pink.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: But I think in 10 or 15 years, we're gonna find out a lot of crazy stuff about it and things, you know, because that's a question I get all the time.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what caused it?
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: How did you get it?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: And to the stupid people, I want to say something really dumb like, oh, I always slept on my right side, so don't sleep on your right side.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but the truth is, I don't know.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: I make the joke all the time.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I don't know, it could be I put my cell phone in my back pocket all the time.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: It could be alcohol, it could be red meat, it could be me breathing the air outside.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I genuinely believe it's something we take in in America, some kind of chemicals in our food, chemicals in our drinks, chemicals in the air.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, they've never really pinpointed where it came from.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: This uh, and for the viewers, um you will see me looking off camera.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's because I'm Googling things uh while we're talking.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: But this says about one in 26 women will be diagnosed with colon cancer during her lifetime.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: When I hear colon cancer, I I think like my my uncle, my mother's brother, an uncle that I'm close to, like he was just diagnosed.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um like I I think of that and I think it's like when we think of breast cancer we think of of women.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I also looked up a lost head.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I will say while you're researching that, um, like I said, when I first got diagnosed, the screening age, because this is something they do screen for.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: So insurance will pay for everybody to get a colonoscopy.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: At the time that I was diagnosed in 2021, they were paying for it when you turned 50.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Within the last within two years of me getting diagnosed, actually, they noticed so many people younger and younger and younger.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: They officially got the date moved back or the year moved back to 45.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: So now it's when you're 45, you should get screened for colon cancer.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's alarming, right?
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because it Uh insurance just doesn't roll over and do that shit.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: We know.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so there had to be enough data to say a lot of people are dying of this very young.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: So we need to, and it's definitely a preventable cancer if you screen it and catch it early enough.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's slow growing.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: So this was this tumor had probably been growing inside me for five plus years.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess it's screening you don't know.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I guess some of those things were like I I didn't know this for the longest time until a certain class, I guess, in probably high school, but I didn't know that we were all born with living cancer cells.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's just what triggers that, right?
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so there can't be just be that one thing.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like my my great-grandpa, he smoked unfiltered cigarettes, didn't have cancer, was healthier than any motherfucker.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: The day before he died, he was mowing the church lawn on his I mean rotten lawn mower, but still, and he died at 107.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: And smell time, right?
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so so it's like what what triggers it?
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nobody knows, and it's the craziest thing because people think and cancer is it's this evil, ugly thing, but when you really break it down, what it is is your cells go rogue, so your cells are supposed to reproduce.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's what happens in the human body, right?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: But something triggers it in your body where these cancer cells say, Well, we really want to reproduce.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's like rabbits having sex, it's like we want to make all these cells, and where cancer becomes deadly is when they make all those cells around an organ that you need to survive.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: In my case, my colon.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so if it would have gone too long, like I said, it could have burst my colon, it could have caused a backup.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of things could have happened, and so it's it's more simplistic than people think, and it's it's more common than I don't want to say than people than people think.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's more common than people want to admit to, because they don't want to admit that it could happen to me.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think we hear words so often that we it becomes normalized, right?
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but then when I research other countries where what we consider a curse word, what we consider the ugliest word being cancer, is looked at differently in other countries, you know, it really makes me start to wonder, and I absolutely do not want to turn this into a different type of conversation.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna make this statement and you can respond if you'd like, or we can move forward.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: But what terrifies me and what I as your friend, if this was gonna happen to you, I'm glad it happened when it did.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because in the administration that we're in now, and with the experts and things that have been eliminated or changed, when you were telling me your story, Jamie, just now, like I wanted to throw up because I thought had it been a year longer, a year later, it probably wouldn't be here.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: A million percent.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think about that all the time.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not trying to make that a political statement.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: What I try to remind my audience is I'm not about politics, I'm about morals and ethics, but I will say that I've covered a lot of cases where women have bled out in their car.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: I've not had a one-on-one conversation with someone that was so close to that, and you were so fucking close to that, and that terrifies me and it disgusts me, and it makes me so proud that I'm fighting the way that I'm fighting now because I love you, I love your daughter, I love uh I love everyone, even the people that hate me, I love them.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: I actually say that all the time.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: I I that's one of the reasons I was so adamant about women's rights and the abortion thing, because the way the extremists wanted to make the laws, it would have been illegal for me to have that surgery where they removed my tube in a tubal pregnancy, and had that tubal pregnancy went to the term, it would have exploded in my body, and I don't know that I would have lived, to be honest.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's disgusting to say, but I think that we have to say it for that shock factor.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: You say, I don't know if I would have lived.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say that you wouldn't have lived.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it was that serious.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: I remember going to the doctor, and I remember sitting in the doctor's office, and it was really just to be like uh, hey, something's off with me.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I'm really pregnant or what's going on.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they like did some ultrasounds, did some tests, and uh they're like, okay, well, um, and this is when I was going through my infertility journey.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: So the doctor did tell me, he's like, good news is you're pregnant, bad news is we can't keep it.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: We've gotta, we've gotta do something, right?
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so he's like, I'm gonna lay out two options for you, and then I need you to give me an answer.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, okay, I'll go home and talk to my husband.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, No, I need you, like, we need to have an answer in an hour.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, fuck, okay.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: And um, the two options he gave me, and now thinking back, like this would have been illegal too, had this abortion thing fully went through everywhere.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, one of the options was to give me a pill to terminate the pregnancy on its own, or option two was we surgically remove it.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I had um maybe two years before this miscarriage, I had another miscarriage where it was again a situation where the baby couldn't have gone to term because of where the pregnancy latched on.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: And at that time, I chose the pill because it was less invasive and it wasn't as far along, and it was a traumatic experience for me.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: I won't get into the details, but it I will never get the image out of my head, and so I said that I said I don't want to go through that again.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: Number one, number two, it's too scary where it is.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: I need to know that it is officially out, and with me trying to have a baby, I don't want to like disturb those chances.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I want to do surgery, but I had to make that decision within an hour.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: So had this not been a viable option, and had they said, hey, this happened, but we can't do anything about it, I wouldn't have been able to get to another state in time.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like they literally did the surgery that same day, and it I couldn't even do surgery prep.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Aren't I supposed to like not eat for 12 hours?
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, We don't care, like we need to get this taken care of right now.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Holy shit! Like, I literally called Luke on the phone and be like, Come to the hospital because I can't leave.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: They're doing surgery, and he's like, Yeah, what do you mean?
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, like today, like you have to come.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: And what I think is so important to to point out is you and your husband would have welcomed both of these children.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: And had it had been just a few years more recent, we probably wouldn't be able to have this fucking conversation.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that is so hard for you to hear, it's hard for me to fucking say, but I think it's important to point out these things because god damn it, like I vote for you to be able, for doctors to be able.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's just so crazy that we have to go so extreme with our thoughts that we can't put logic into it, right?
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because we can't sit and say this person, if we make her carry this, I'm gonna put pregnancy in quotes because I was pregnant, but it was a it wasn't even in my fucking uterus.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if we make her carry, we have to make her carry this pregnancy to term, it would have killed, it literally would have killed me.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like the doctor said, we can't let this happen.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like a pregnant a baby cannot live in your fallopian tube.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: There's not enough room there.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I think what fucked us is the movie Look Who's Talking.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: Have you seen those?
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: And and and and yes, I know that's funny, but I but I'm kind of being a little serious with it because we we see things and we believe it when when we see it, right?
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it it's like it's like the weekend that Bernie's everyone's talking about uh Donald Trump is weak and that Bernie.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: What is the other name?
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: What is the other dude's name?
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: Either way, he's weakened at Bernie.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: They think he's dad, whoever.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm bad with names.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: But we see the movie Luke who's talking, and it was a top hit, and they show the sperm going and all the sperm fighting of who's gonna get into the egg, and the one mace said, and then there's this baby, but immediately the sperm hits the egg, the sperm gets in, and the movie shows live, right?
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Fine, it's not always that pretty though movie, right?
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: Even the and I'm not a Christian, I don't believe in the Bible, I think, well it doesn't matter what I think, but even the Bible says life begins at first breath.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: First breath is at birth.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, but I know it sounds silly when I say it, but I feel like when we see these movies of a different technology, a different thing than than we've been able to physically see or know, and we're able to be like, oh, that's how it works.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of answers the questions in our head of like, how did a baby really get here?
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the answer of there's this thing, and there's this little fish slipping in it, and oh, and then there's a baby, and it looks like a baby, but there's so much that's missed.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know we we probably got off the real subject, but honestly, that's what I love about this show, because this is the first conversation I've had with someone that had it been 365 days later, your destination would be completely different.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: Chloe's destination.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: Your husband.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: We won't well, we wouldn't be fighting over cheer.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: Jimmy, I feel like this is a conversation that we can't fit everything into one hour.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: I know that I've gotten questions in from people about cancer, cancer survivors, but there's no one that I would want to have this conversation with than you because I would uh you're my friend, right?
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: My family, I uh we're blessed enough, lucky enough.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what word to put with it, where cancer doesn't run in our family.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh well, say that respectfully, but oh yeah, you don't offend me at all.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: I I love like Joanne says, me talking about this stuff is super therapeutic, and I want to get the message out that it can happen to anybody, yeah.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: Just because cancer didn't run my family doesn't mean I'm not gonna get diagnosed with prosthetic cancer, colon cancer, you know, like it there does not have to be a trail of.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: So with me saying that, I know that we're jumping around, but I feel like this will be an ongoing conversation.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: So be ready because my people they send questions, and I'm ready, you'll have to you'll have to come back to answer those questions.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think what I want to start segueing to the end of which means there's a lot missed, right?
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be a big gap, but I want to talk about how even though you had a husband and a child and a family that loved and supported you, was there that thought of how long can they do this?
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: When are they gonna let go?
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is not what they asked for.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have that as much as I had.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: So cancer is one of those things where I became surrounded with the greatest peop greatest group of people that I never wanted to be, never knew I wanted to be friends with, right?
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so it wasn't that I thought my family was going to give up or not want to do this for so long, but I felt alone a lot, and not because they didn't love me, and not because people weren't doing things for me, but because nobody really fucking understood, right?
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_01: And even till this day, I I still get the like I just went and got uh blood work done, so I still have to get blood work done every six months, I still have to go in and do a scan every single year, and it is traumatic.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_01: I broke down crying to the nurse, and the nurse was like, honey, what is wrong?
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I haven't been here in six months, and I'm just so terrified that it's gonna come back.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you I talked to my mom, I talked to Luke.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: Luke's gotten a lot better about it because we've had a lot of conversations.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I talked to my mom, I talked to friends, I talked to people at work, and everybody says, but it's just a checkup, but it's just to make sure everything's okay, but it is it's gonna be fine.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I always want to say to them, but you didn't have to go get that checkup.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have to go to your blood drawn every six months?
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or the people that say, Well, I'm sure it's gonna be fine, and this is where I finally trained Luke because he used to say that to me all the time.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure everything's gonna be okay.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure I said, but it wasn't the day that we found out, so you can't say, and I I've ingrained this in my mom's head too.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: I said, you can't say that anymore.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: We can't just hope that everything's gonna be fine.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: I said we have to recognize that it might not.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the biggest, or at least from my experience, and your listeners, please tell me if if you've experienced something different, but that's one of the biggest frustrations, if I may say, that cancer patients have.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I know on the other side, it's it's people who know cancer survivors like, we don't know what the fuck else to say, though.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's just changing the mindset a little bit of one of my best friends, the best friend that I made when I got kicked out of gym class.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: She gets it.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I would have chemo days, scan days, she would always say, I know this sucks, and I know it's not gonna be easy today, and I hope everything's okay, but I want you to know that I'm here to talk to you if it's not, so it's that acknowledgement of like it might not be okay, and I know that you're thinking about that, and I want to acknowledge that and I want to validate your feelings.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I think it's one of those things where people have good intent with the cliches, but when you are being faced with something, those cliches are they're not cute.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I seen uh a TikTok the other day, and I was like, Yeah, that's so fucking true.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: When and God bless her, and I hope she doesn't listen to this, or maybe I hope she does.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: But um one of the moms on Grayson's football team just messaged me something, and somehow it came out that I had cancer, and she's like, You're so brave and you're such a warrior.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I get it, and a lot of people say that, and I know it's not ill-intended, but I saw this TikTok the other day of a cancer survivor that was like, What the fuck else was I supposed to do, Susan?
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I what goddamn Susan, yeah, you know, because it's like I what I was just supposed to lay down and die.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I had to go through the shit.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: I and during my cancer treatment, I just wanted to live so bad because I have these two small kids that and I joke, but it's really not a joke.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, okay, and next we're gonna do this, yeah.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, do that, yeah, sure, do that.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like if literally, if they would have been like, and then we're gonna throw you off a building with a parachute, okay, sure, that's gonna make me live, let's do it.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then I get to the end of it, and I just remember having a day or two of just crying, of like, holy fuck, what did I just go through?
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you're in the motions, you don't always have time to process it.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so when you get the diagnosis of you have cancer, that doesn't mean that within 72 hours you have a game plan on how to be cancer and then fast forward to the end of that time frame, um, and you're like that they're like, oh well, it could be gone, but for every six months, you still have to be tested, monitored, it doesn't go away.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that when people hear that, okay, you have cancer, and then four weeks later they hear that you have a plan, and four four weeks later, two weeks later, four days later, they hear that you're meeting all your appointments, you're still alive, the dust starts to settle, right?
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_00: Naturally, that's not that's not speaking ill toward any of the supporters, it's just naturally gonna happen.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_00: The dust hasn't settled, right?
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it settles for everybody else who doesn't live in that moment or didn't experience that moment, yeah.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I still have never been able to put my finger on it.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: Is it because they don't want to think about it because they don't want to think about you in that negative light, or they don't want to think about it because they don't want to think that it could happen to them?
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: All those things are true, I think.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: Is it that they just truly don't understand?
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_00: All those things are are true.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_00: It it is I was talking to a family member of mine, a distant family member, um, and they are hardcore Donald Trump, right?
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I asked them, I said, my rapist dead 14 months.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's in county jail, never even made it to prison on a 12-year sentence, right?
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he's not a registered sex offender, he has three children, he lives on a school district line.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_00: Would you be okay if he was president?
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, no, fuck him.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: He should have done the full 12 years, so why not our president?
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what you know, like and again, I'm not trying to make it political, so so I can get off that subject, but I feel like it's so related, right?
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like with what you were saying, people we look for ways we've even talked about this in true crime cases.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: There are so many people that have been convicted, served years in prison, even had death penalty because society needed su they they needed the bad guy, right?
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so they're like, Oh, well, we have the bad guy, case closed, I can sleep peacefully now.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_00: When the bad guy didn't fucking do it, the bad guy's still fucking out there, but we had to have that peace of mind, and I think that you're exactly right.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um I know I'm on a tangent, but I think that you're exactly right.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_00: The moment Your supporters, your loved ones, it's like she's not dead yet.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: She's going to retreatments she's still being a mother.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_00: She's still being a wife.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_00: Everything's okay.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_00: We're clean.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're clear.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_00: Everything's good.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: But that's not where you're staying with that.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_01: Every time the phone fucking rings, it's yeah, I freak out every time I see the words Moffitt on my phone.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_01: I get triggered.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm literally almost to my remission stage.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I went in to get, and I told this to my best friend.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I went in to get blood work that I knew was going to be okay.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because even in my throes of cancer, I never had elevated tumor markers.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: They test this, I forget what some protein in your blood for tumor markers.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_01: Mine never elevated.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I've always been terrified.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're never gonna find my cancer and my blood work because I had stage for cancer and it was barely elevated, right?
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I went in knowing nothing was going to be found, everything was gonna be fine, but I still balled my eyes out just because it's that remembrance of I'm in here because this did happen to me.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_01: I did almost die, and I have to go get this checked out because I could almost die again.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_01: And nobody wants to live that ugly truth or understands that ugly truth, I think.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's with any kind of trauma, right?
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's what you've gone through.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: If somebody has been um sexually abused as a child, it's these little things can trigger, and the monster never fully goes away.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like when we open this episode up, and I forget exactly what you said, but I remember thinking, yeah, this the cancer guy, he lives on my shoulder all the time.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: And if my shoulder hurts for a second, I'm like, hmm, do I have a tumor here?
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_01: I had my oncologist, and bless his heart, I have, and it's still there, I have a lump on my thigh.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember, and it was a year out from a diagnosis, and I was like, I think this is a cancer tumor, and he's like, Gmie, I never in my life I've been doing this for 10 years, have I ever seen colon cancer jump to your leg?
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, But I get it, let's do an MRI, let's just rule it up, let's just I love that because if he would have been like, bitch, this doesn't happen, you have a contract, I wouldn't love that.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_00: But the fact that he wanted to give you the peace of mind to say, yeah, you know what, my expert opinion is this is not, but I also have the resources and the ability to give you the peace of mind of this isn't that.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: I fucking I need every doctor to be that, yes, and Moffitt, hands down, it's in the Tampa, Florida area.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: One of the best cancer hospitals ever.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, when I was up in Wisconsin when I got diagnosed, the second my oncologists even heard us speak the word Tampa, I don't even think I got the whole city out of my mouth.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, You gotta go to Moffitt.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta get you down there.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna move there?
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_01: When are you gonna move there?
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: We need to get you out of this hospital and we need to get you down there.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, You guys are still gonna take care of me though, right?
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not moving tomorrow.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_00: We're so we're so friends, right?
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_00: We're still good.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_01: Jamie.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, but I that's you have to have a good doctor and you have to have a good hospital and you have to advocate for yourself.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I'm gonna let you close this out because I will I'll talk till one in the morning.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta get up at 6 a.m.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: Same, but obviously, this is gonna be an ongoing conversation.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_00: I knew, and I think that you knew uh what that this was gonna be, and I'm so excited about it because I think, like you said, I think what is so important is to advocate for yourself.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_00: That is such a powerful statement.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I know my listeners are gonna have questions and thoughts and all loving and respectful.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I think this will be an ongoing conversation.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do a live, let's do an AMA.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would love, I would love that.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: We'll figure all that out.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so Jamie, to end on a positive note because ish, we try to start light, end light.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_00: I do love how we had a few little cute laughs in between, but this is a heavy, uh heavy topic.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm trying to think of a fun rapid-fire question to ask you to end on a happy, happy, happy note.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_00: And okay, so I'll do this so I can also shout out Swack.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_00: So Speculating Wildly about Crime is Jenny's baby.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Her and Chrissy have been a guest on my show.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I have been a guest on their show multiple times because we do palette cleansers and we talk about anything not true crime.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_00: So we talked about the Valley, House Laws of New York, Salt Lake City.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so here's gonna be my fun question for you.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: If someone came up to you and said, Jamie, you out of all of the Housewife series, you've got to say which housewife David reminds you of the most, as well as yourself, who would you pick?
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going a lot of Beverly Hills in my mind.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think you've got a little Erica in you.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think you've got a little Rina in you.
• 1:11:35
  unknown: Yes.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'll say the make it nice part of Dorinda.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I love this, I love this answer so much.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Gosh, and then who would I who would I peg you from Salt Lake?
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna say, and I don't mean this in a negative way, but I think you have a little vainess of the baby gorgeous Lisa Barlow.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not mad at it.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: In a good way, though.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not mad at it.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not mad at it.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_00: For you, I think all of a sudden happy.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean that as the biggest compliment.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_00: I love Angie Kay.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_01: I know you do.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_00: But you don't.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: She's a math for me.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: I could take her or leave her.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'd take her and I love her, and I think that I okay, but here's the thing, Jamie, is I think that the reason you would take her or leave her is because she's so chill.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_00: She's so like here's the problem, we're gonna fix it.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think she's good TV as a uh a mediator.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if she was a main character, she wouldn't be because she is that peace person.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_00: She and I I think that she's great television, I think she's much needed, I think she absolutely is a main character, but she has to have all the chaos in order for her abilities to shine, and I think that is you.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you are able to be in the drama, a part of the drama, separate from the drama, fix the drama.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that is the highest compliment.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_00: I love Angie.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_00: I know that I mentioned Housewives, and I shouldn't have, but when I think of Bravo, I think of Housewives.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: But because of you all, I now watch something outside of Housewives, which is the valley, and my number one for you would be Kristen from the Valley.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like the Kristen now, right?
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Not Vanderpump Kristen.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't watched Vanderpump Kristen Memes, and I think that there was a time in your life.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was a Vanderpump Kristen for a yeah, it was an app.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, so maybe I am Kristen.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: I was I was there there was a time, boo-boo.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, definitely Kristen now.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: However, it there if someone from your past life came to me and said, I have a story and pick if it's Jamie or Kristen and they tell me a story, I would probably have a hard time picking.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because you remind me so much of the growth and all, but I fucking and you even know, and to the listener, listen to the valley on Swag Pod, because in the beginning we talk about how like I that they Swag propositioned me with this, and I was like, Okay, I'll try it.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Three episodes episodes in.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Bitch, no, and then I was like, no, I want to do this, and now I'm obsessed.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I give you kudos and and listen to why we gave David a lot of credit, and we're like, oh, this is why we related, and he didn't have that, and now I see why it was boring.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: All right, my love.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for this conversation.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_00: I know it was hard, but I heard a different side of you.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_00: You have never shied away from your journey, but there's intimate details that I haven't heard that you shared with me tonight, and so thank you for sharing that with me and my listener.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think this is such a huge topic to talk about, and it's one of those things that I'm luckily naive to.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: But that could change tomorrow.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for giving me it can, it can, and and I'm a huge advocate.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody go get your screenings when you get to the age, um, do your doctor's appointments, do your follow-ups.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: It means the world, it can catch it so much earlier and it can be treatable.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I also appreciate you giving me this platform, it is very therapeutic to me.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_01: I do like to talk about it.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_01: It it the guy's always living on my shoulder, and the more I get to talk about it, the easier it is for me to constantly battle that.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for giving me that opportunity.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_00: I know we're gonna get a lot of questions and comments, so this is gonna be an ongoing conversation.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_00: I will share all the links, but guys, Spike Pod is so amazing.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they do all the work, all the cases, all the things.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_00: So check them out.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I'm gonna share the links in the show notes.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_00: And if you just like me so much, sometimes I'm a guest on their show.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_00: So if anything, check those out and leave a fast-star review and let them know that uh you love what I'm there, so they'll keep having me back.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, we are we're going to, so it's it's a staple now.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_01: You are part of the family.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Jamie.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna share all the things.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, my love.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_00: And uh do me a favor for me, my listeners, kiss Chloe tonight from all of us.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um she's why I'm here.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love you, my friend.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Love you too.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you again, and yeah, happy to answer any questions and do follow up episodes.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you again.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.