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- 0:03Speaker 1: At 9.51 in the morning on October 13th, 2019, Marsha
- 0:08Speaker 1: Sanders' GPS tracker went silent in the Vanik drainage wilderness
- 0:12Speaker 1: of central Idaho. The device had no malfunction. Someone pressed
- 0:16Speaker 1: pause manually. Three days later, searchers found her orange hunting
- 0:20Speaker 1: vest hanging from a broken pine branch at shoulder height,
- 0:24Speaker 1: four and a half miles from the trailhead, in terrain
- 0:27Speaker 1: that required a rope to reach. The vest was clean.
- 0:30Speaker 1: Her name was written on it in her own handwriting.
- 0:32Speaker 1: and Marsha Sanders had no memory of putting it there.
- 0:35Speaker 1: She was found alive on October 17th, but the question
- 0:38Speaker 1: that the official incident report could not answer, the question
- 0:41Speaker 1: that the search and rescue commander eventually committed to writing,
- 0:45Speaker 1: is the one that stayed long after the rescue helicopters landed.
- 0:48Speaker 1: How does a person end up two miles from where
- 0:50Speaker 1: their GPS stopped, in the dark, through broken limestone and
- 0:54Speaker 1: boulder fields, without any memory of the journey? And what
- 0:58Speaker 1: happened to the three days in between? That question does
- 1:00Speaker 1: not have a clean answer, What it has is a
- 1:03Speaker 1: trail of details, each one stranger than the last. To
- 1:06Speaker 1: understand what made Marsha's disappearance so alarming, so fast, you
- 1:10Speaker 1: have to understand who she was before that morning. Marsha
- 1:13Speaker 1: Sanders was 28 years old, a water quality technician from
- 1:17Speaker 1: Twin Falls, Idaho. She had an Idaho State degree in
- 1:21Speaker 1: environmental science and had been hunting since she was 16.
- 1:26Speaker 1: These were not recreational weekends for her. She knew how
- 1:29Speaker 1: to read terrain, how to navigate in low light, how
- 1:32Speaker 1: to regulate her body temperature and her pace. She had
- 1:35Speaker 1: hunted the Vanik drainage with Phil Detmer before, twice. She
- 1:38Speaker 1: was not a novice walking into unfamiliar country. She was
- 1:41Speaker 1: also someone whose people knew exactly where to expect her.
- 1:45Speaker 1: Every Wednesday evening, Marsha worked a volunteer shift at her
- 1:49Speaker 1: local food bank, six to nine in the evening.
- 1:52Speaker 2: Back left corner shelf.
- 1:54Speaker 1: The coordinator, Pat Kurtz, had worked alongside her long enough
- 1:57Speaker 1: to know one thing about Marsha Sanders. She never missed
- 2:01Speaker 1: a shift without calling by noon.
- 2:02Speaker 2: Not once.
- 2:04Speaker 1: If something came up, she called first. That was simply
- 2:07Speaker 1: how she operated. She had filed a trip plan with
- 2:09Speaker 1: her contact, Dennis Abad, the morning of October 13th. She
- 2:14Speaker 1: had told people where she was going. She had planned
- 2:16Speaker 1: to be back. Phil Detmer organized the trip. He was 41,
- 2:20Speaker 1: a Finnish carpenter from Boise, and this was his ninth
- 2:23Speaker 1: elk season.
- 2:24Speaker 2: In the Vanik drainage. He knew the land.
- 2:27Speaker 1: He brought his brother-in-law, Aaron Voss, 34, a second-year hunter
- 2:32Speaker 1: who had been documenting the trip with trail photography.
- 2:35Speaker 2: The three of them.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Drove out in Detmer's truck before dawn on October 13th.
- 2:40Speaker 1: By the time the light came up over the ridgeline,
- 2:43Speaker 1: they were already miles in at around 7 in the morning.
- 2:46Speaker 1: The group reached a junction called Cutter Hollow. The plan
- 2:50Speaker 1: was to split up and cover more ground. Marsha would
- 2:53Speaker 1: take the North Fork alone. Detmer and Voss would head south.
- 2:56Speaker 1: They would meet at a downed fir landmark that afternoon.
- 3:00Speaker 1: It was a plan that made sense for experienced hunters
- 3:03Speaker 1: in familiar country. Detmer had been through that drainage nine times.
- 3:07Speaker 1: Marsha knew how to handle herself. Splitting up was a
- 3:10Speaker 1: reasonable call. What happened next, in the north fork of
- 3:14Speaker 1: that trail, is still only partially known. Marsha's GPS recorded
- 3:18Speaker 1: her moving steadily for just over two miles, from 7.14
- 3:21Speaker 1: to 9.51 in the morning. Then the track stopped. The
- 3:25Speaker 1: unit was later found sitting upright on a flat rock
- 3:28Speaker 1: on the upper basin ridge. Battery at 62%. Oriented downhill.
- 3:33Speaker 1: No satellite gap. No malfunction. The pause was entered by hand.
- 3:37Speaker 1: By 2.30 that afternoon, Detmer and Voss were at the
- 3:42Speaker 1: downed fir. Marsha was not there. By 4 o'clock, Detmer
- 3:46Speaker 1: had walked back out to the trailhead to report her missing.
- 3:49Speaker 1: Wednesday came and went. The back left corner shelf at
- 3:52Speaker 1: the food bank went unstocked. Pat Kurtz did not receive
- 3:56Speaker 1: a call. The GPS unit was the first thing that
- 3:59Speaker 1: didn't add up. Search and rescue teams found it on
- 4:02Speaker 1: October 15th, sitting upright on a flat rock at the
- 4:05Speaker 1: upper basin ridge. Battery at 62%, oriented downhill, as.
- 4:10Speaker 2: If placed deliberately. The unit had not malfunctioned.
- 4:13Speaker 1: There was no satellite gap, no corrupted data. The last
- 4:17Speaker 1: track entry showed Marsha moving steadily up the North Fork
- 4:20Speaker 1: from 714 until 951 in the morning of October 13th.
- 4:25Speaker 1: Then the recording stopped. Someone had pressed pause. That detail,
- 4:29Speaker 1: the manual pause, would anchor every question that followed. Megan Cooper,
- 4:34Speaker 1: the incident commander with 20 years of search and rescue experience,
- 4:38Speaker 1: organized her teams by the terrain. Four ground teams, two
- 4:42Speaker 1: dog teams, a drone. They spread across the vanic drainage
- 4:46Speaker 1: at first light on October 15th. The North Fork received
- 4:50Speaker 1: the most attention. That was the last direction anyone had
- 4:54Speaker 1: seen Marsha walk. The dog teams moved fast. They picked
- 4:58Speaker 1: up scent immediately off the North Fork Trail and followed
- 5:01Speaker 1: it uphill toward the second choke point. The narrows were
- 5:03Speaker 1: the canyon walls, close to ten or twelve feet apart,
- 5:06Speaker 1: loose shale underfoot, a stream cutting through the middle. The
- 5:10Speaker 1: scent was strong. The dogs were confident. Then it ended,
- 5:13Speaker 1: at the water's edge, West Bank. The scent simply stopped.
- 5:17Speaker 1: There was no indication that Marsha had crossed to the
- 5:20Speaker 1: other side. There was no scent trail above the wall,
- 5:23Speaker 1: no trace climbing out.
- 5:24Speaker 2: The dogs... Worked the perimeter. Nothing.
- 5:28Speaker 1: Whatever happened at that choke point, the terrain itself refused
- 5:32Speaker 1: to answer. Two loops were open now. A GPS paused
- 5:35Speaker 1: by hand. A scent trail that vanished at water's edge.
- 5:39Speaker 1: Cooper kept moving. The vest appeared the next morning. Team
- 5:42Speaker 1: 4 descended into the main cutter hollow drainage on October 16th.
- 5:46Speaker 1: Using rope assistance, the terrain required it. Four and a
- 5:49Speaker 1: half miles from the trailhead. Roughly two miles south of
- 5:53Speaker 1: where the GPS unit had been found A broken pine
- 5:56Speaker 1: stub jutted from the slope at shoulder height, looped over
- 5:59Speaker 1: it carefully, was an orange hunting vest. Medium size, Marsha's
- 6:04Speaker 1: name written inside in her own handwriting. The fabric was clean.
- 6:08Speaker 1: No mud, no tears, no signs of distress. Roy Pacheco,
- 6:13Speaker 1: Team 4's leader, radioed it in. Cooper acknowledged, then there
- 6:17Speaker 1: was silence on the channel. Several seconds, by Pacheco's account.
- 6:21Speaker 1: He later said it was the only moment during the
- 6:23Speaker 1: operation that he felt genuinely afraid, not because of what
- 6:27Speaker 1: the vest suggested, because of what Cooper didn't say. Cooper's
- 6:31Speaker 1: written report noted the vest location carefully. She recorded that
- 6:34Speaker 1: reaching it required rope-assisted descent. She noted the clean condition
- 6:38Speaker 1: of the fabric and the precise placement, looped, not dropped,
- 6:42Speaker 1: not tangled. And then she wrote in the official incident
- 6:44Speaker 1: report that the vest had no satisfying explanation. That phrase
- 6:48Speaker 1: became the final official position.
- 6:50Speaker 2: Not a placeholder. Not pending further investigation. Final. Three anomalies now.
- 6:57Speaker 2: The PAWS GPS. The scent that ended at water. The vest.
- 7:01Speaker 1: Hung carefully in terrain that required a rope to reach.
- 7:04Speaker 1: Each one alone could be explained. Together, they drew a
- 7:07Speaker 1: shape that Cooper couldn't name. There was something else Cooper
- 7:11Speaker 1: had been sitting with. Something that hadn't made it into
- 7:13Speaker 1: the first public account of the search. Phil Detmer had
- 7:16Speaker 1: been interviewed twice. The first interview was standard. Trip organizer,
- 7:22Speaker 1: nine seasons in the drainage, responsible account of the group's movements.
- 7:26Speaker 2: He described the split at.
- 7:27Speaker 1: Cutter Hollow, the plan to meet at the downed fur,
- 7:30Speaker 1: the weight that turned into worry. His account and Aaron
- 7:33Speaker 1: Voss's account aligned closely, almost too closely, in the way
- 7:37Speaker 1: accounts sometimes do when people have had time to compare notes.
- 7:41Speaker 1: In the second interview, Detmer said something different. He admitted
- 7:45Speaker 1: there had been an argument before the group split at
- 7:47Speaker 1: Cutter Hollow. Marsha had wanted to stay together, She didn't
- 7:50Speaker 1: think splitting up in that terrain was a good idea.
- 7:53Speaker 1: Detmer had overruled her. He was the trip organizer. He
- 7:57Speaker 1: knew the drainage, and the plan was to cover more ground.
- 8:00Speaker 1: Marsha went north alone. He had not mentioned this in
- 8:03Speaker 1: the first interview. Cooper filed it. No charges were filed,
- 8:08Speaker 1: but the omission sat in the record. The last known
- 8:10Speaker 1: moment between Marsha and her companions had been a disagreement,
- 8:14Speaker 1: and the man who organized the trip had chosen not
- 8:17Speaker 1: to volunteer that information. Neither Detmer nor Voss produced a
- 8:20Speaker 1: single photograph of Marsha from the morning of October 13th.
- 8:24Speaker 1: Both men carried phones. Both had used them. Voss had
- 8:28Speaker 1: been documenting the trip. No image from that morning existed
- 8:32Speaker 1: in either device. That absence is not evidence of anything specific,
- 8:36Speaker 1: but it was the kind of absence that, once you
- 8:39Speaker 1: noticed it, was hard to stop thinking about. And then
- 8:42Speaker 1: Brian Gray called. Gray ran the Van Eck River Trail
- 8:45Speaker 1: most mornings. He had been doing it for six years.
- 8:48Speaker 1: On October 14th, the day after Marsha disappeared, before any
- 8:52Speaker 1: public search announcement, he saw something at mile four. A
- 8:56Speaker 1: figure moving along the trail, lurching, he told the 911 dispatcher.
- 9:01Speaker 1: Unsteady in a way that didn't look like injury. More
- 9:04Speaker 1: like someone who had lost their bearings. Gray couldn't get
- 9:07Speaker 1: a clear look. The figure moved into the tree lime.
- 9:09Speaker 1: He reported it because it stayed with him. The figure
- 9:13Speaker 1: was never matched to Marsha Sanders. It was never matched
- 9:16Speaker 1: to anyone. Picture the North Fork Trail at 10 in
- 9:19Speaker 1: the morning on October 13th. Marsha has been moving for
- 9:22Speaker 1: about two hours and 37 minutes. Her GPS shows two
- 9:28Speaker 1: steady miles of uphill travel. The terrain is honest wilderness,
- 9:31Speaker 1: choke points, loose shale, cold water running across the path.
- 9:35Speaker 1: She is experienced enough to handle all of it. She
- 9:38Speaker 1: has hunted since she was 16.
- 9:39Speaker 2: She filed the trip plan. She argued.
- 9:42Speaker 1: Before she left, that the group should stay together. At 9.51,
- 9:46Speaker 1: she paused her GPS. If she paused it because she
- 9:49Speaker 1: was stopping to glass a ridge or shed a layer,
- 9:52Speaker 1: she would have restarted it. Hunters do this. The track
- 9:55Speaker 1: would show a gap, then resume. It did not resume.
- 9:58Speaker 1: The unit was later found upright on a rock, oriented downhill,
- 10:02Speaker 1: battery more than half full. That is not what a
- 10:05Speaker 1: device looks like when someone drops it and walks away.
- 10:08Speaker 1: That is what it looks like when someone sets it
- 10:10Speaker 1: down deliberately. Walk that forward. If Marsha set the GPS
- 10:14Speaker 1: down on purpose, she had a reason. a reason compelling
- 10:18Speaker 1: enough to leave her primary navigation tool behind in terrain
- 10:22Speaker 1: where the canyon walls narrow to 12 feet and the
- 10:25Speaker 1: scent dogs would later lose her trail at the water.
- 10:28Speaker 1: That reason has never been established from the record. Now
- 10:31Speaker 1: follow the vest to reach the broken pine stub where
- 10:34Speaker 1: the vest was found. A person needs a rope. The
- 10:37Speaker 1: terrain drops 700 feet through broken limestone and a boulder
- 10:41Speaker 1: field before reaching the main cutter hollow drainage at night.
- 10:45Speaker 1: without a GPS, in a dissociative state. The medical finding
- 10:49Speaker 1: at the hospital was acute, hypoglycemia triggering a documented fugue condition.
- 10:55Speaker 1: The idea of navigating that descent is almost impossible to picture.
- 10:59Speaker 2: But here is what the record shows happened.
- 11:01Speaker 1: Marsha was found three quarters of a mile below the vest,
- 11:04Speaker 1: wedged in a rock alcove above the drainage floor, alive.
- 11:08Speaker 1: The vest was above her, hung on a stub, her
- 11:11Speaker 1: name facing outward, and she has no memory of any
- 11:14Speaker 1: of it, The neurologist who examined her documented the fugue
- 11:18Speaker 1: state carefully. He noted her childhood concussion. He noted the
- 11:22Speaker 1: family history of absent seizures on her mother's side. Acute hypoglycemia,
- 11:28Speaker 1: he concluded, had triggered a dissociative episode with no prior warning.
- 11:32Speaker 1: She had no history of the condition. There was nothing
- 11:35Speaker 1: in her medical record that would have flagged this risk.
- 11:38Speaker 1: That explanation is real and documented. It accounts for the
- 11:41Speaker 1: memory gap. It accounts for the disorientation. the inability to stand,
- 11:46Speaker 1: the core temperature of 91 degrees when rescuers reached her.
- 11:50Speaker 1: What it does not account for, what no version of
- 11:52Speaker 1: events has accounted for, is the vest. A person in
- 11:56Speaker 1: a dissociative fugue state does not navigate a 700-foot rope-access
- 12:00Speaker 1: descent and hang their vest at shoulder height with the
- 12:03Speaker 1: name tag facing outward. The physical and cognitive demands of
- 12:07Speaker 1: that placement are incompatible with.
- 12:10Speaker 2: The medical state.
- 12:11Speaker 1: Marsha was in if she hung it before the fugue
- 12:14Speaker 1: began She had a reason specific enough to make her
- 12:17Speaker 1: remove visible safety gear in difficult terrain and place it
- 12:20Speaker 1: where it might be seen from below. That reason is
- 12:23Speaker 1: not in the record. If she hung it during the fugue,
- 12:25Speaker 1: the documented medical literature on dissociative episodes offers no mechanism
- 12:30Speaker 1: for that level of purposeful, precise physical action. Cooper wrote
- 12:34Speaker 1: it down and called it what it was. No satisfying explanation.
- 12:38Speaker 1: The investigation closed on that sentence. Marsha Sanders spent four
- 12:41Speaker 1: days recovering in a hospital in Salmon, Idaho. She came
- 12:45Speaker 1: out alive. That is not a small thing. But she
- 12:48Speaker 1: came out with a gap in her memory, stretching from
- 12:50Speaker 1: 10 in the morning on October 13th to the moment
- 12:53Speaker 1: a rescue headlamp found her face in the dark. Inside
- 12:56Speaker 1: that gap is everything the record cannot answer. The vest
- 12:59Speaker 1: remains on the flat rock in the report, looped over
- 13:02Speaker 1: its broken stub, name facing out, waiting for someone who
- 13:05Speaker 1: never needed it to be a landmark.
- 13:07Speaker 2: The investigation is closed.
- 13:09Speaker 1: That is the official position, and it is worth sitting
- 13:12Speaker 1: with exactly what that means. Megan Cooper filed her incident
- 13:16Speaker 1: report in the weeks following Marsha's rescue. The report documented
- 13:19Speaker 1: the GPS unit, found upright on a flat rock, battery
- 13:23Speaker 1: at 62%, manually paused. It documented the scent trail ending
- 13:27Speaker 1: at the water's edge on the west bank. With no evidence,
- 13:30Speaker 1: Marsha crossed to the other side. It documented the vest, orange, medium,
- 13:35Speaker 1: looped over a broken pine stub at shoulder height, name
- 13:38Speaker 1: written in Marsha's own hand, facing outward, found in terrain,
- 13:42Speaker 1: that required a rope-assisted descent to reach, and in the
- 13:45Speaker 1: space where an explanation should have been, Cooper wrote the
- 13:48Speaker 1: only honest sentence available to her. No satisfying explanation. Phil
- 13:53Speaker 1: Detmer's second interview sits in that same file, he admitted,
- 13:57Speaker 1: when pressed, that the group had argued at Cutter Hollow
- 14:00Speaker 1: before splitting. Marsha wanted to stay together. He overruled her.
- 14:05Speaker 1: That admission was absent from his first account. Cooper noted it.
- 14:09Speaker 1: No charges followed, because nothing in the record... connects that
- 14:12Speaker 1: argument to what happened afterward. But the omission is there, documented,
- 14:17Speaker 1: and it does not dissolve simply because no charges were filed.
- 14:20Speaker 1: Aaron Voss is in the file too. Detmer's brother-in-law, second
- 14:24Speaker 1: year hunting, self-described trail photographer who produced no photographs from
- 14:28Speaker 1: October 13th. Two men with phones, not one image of
- 14:32Speaker 1: Marsha from that morning. Brian Gray's 911 call from October
- 14:36Speaker 1: 14th is there as well. A lurching figure at mile
- 14:39Speaker 1: four of the Venick River Trail. seen and reported, never
- 14:43Speaker 1: matched to any person. Not to Marsha, not to anyone
- 14:46Speaker 1: else in the drainage that day. None of these threads
- 14:49Speaker 1: resolve into a clean answer. They simply remain in the record,
- 14:54Speaker 1: each one logged and left open. What the record does answer,
- 14:57Speaker 1: Marsha Sanders is alive. On October 17th, 2019, at 6.44
- 15:03Speaker 1: in the morning, a rescue headlamp found her wedged in
- 15:06Speaker 1: a shallow rock alcove, three quarters of a mile below
- 15:09Speaker 1: where her vest had been hanging. Her core temperature was
- 15:11Speaker 1: 91 degrees. She was severely dehydrated and could not stand.
- 15:16Speaker 1: She was airlifted to a hospital in Salmon, Idaho, and
- 15:19Speaker 1: spent four days in recovery. A neurologist documented acute hypoglycemia,
- 15:24Speaker 1: triggering a dissociative fugue state, a rare condition with no
- 15:27Speaker 1: prior history in Marsha's record, though her mother's side carried
- 15:30Speaker 1: a family history of absence, seizures, and a childhood concussion
- 15:34Speaker 1: was noted as a possible contributing factor. The fugue explains
- 15:37Speaker 1: the gap. It explains why she cannot account for nearly
- 15:40Speaker 1: three full days. It explains the disorientation, the temperature, the alcove.
- 15:46Speaker 1: What it does not explain is the vest. The medical
- 15:49Speaker 1: literature on dissociative episodes does not describe patients navigating 700
- 15:53Speaker 1: feet of broken limestone and boulder field in the dark,
- 15:57Speaker 1: locating a specific broken stub, removing visible safety gear, and
- 16:01Speaker 1: hanging it with the name tag oriented outward. Those actions
- 16:05Speaker 1: require planning. They require intention. They require a person who knows,
- 16:10Speaker 1: on some level, what they are doing and why. Marsha
- 16:13Speaker 1: has no memory of any of it. That is where
- 16:15Speaker 1: the record ends. There is something specific about this case
- 16:19Speaker 1: that resists the usual ways of setting a story down.
- 16:23Speaker 1: Most wilderness disappearances resolve into one of two shapes. Either
- 16:27Speaker 1: the terrain explains everything, a fall, exposure, a wrong turn
- 16:32Speaker 1: and failing light, or the human element explains everything. and
- 16:36Speaker 1: the terrain was just the setting. The vanic drainage does
- 16:39Speaker 1: not offer either shape. The terrain is real and severe,
- 16:43Speaker 1: and it nearly killed her. The medical explanation is real
- 16:46Speaker 1: and documented, and the vest is also real, and it
- 16:49Speaker 1: fits neither shape, and the official record says so plainly.
- 16:52Speaker 1: Marsha Sanders went into those mountains as a hunter who
- 16:55Speaker 1: had been doing this since she was 16 years old.
- 16:58Speaker 1: She filed her trip plan with Dennis Abad that morning.
- 17:02Speaker 1: She showed up every Wednesday at the food bank, back
- 17:05Speaker 1: left corner shelf, 6 to 9 in the evening, and
- 17:08Speaker 1: she called Pat Kurtz if she was ever going to miss.
- 17:11Speaker 1: She did not call on October 16th, because by then
- 17:13Speaker 1: she was somewhere in the drainage, in a rock alcove,
- 17:16Speaker 1: with a core temperature of 91 degrees, and no memory
- 17:19Speaker 1: of how she had arrived.
- 17:20Speaker 2: She came out alive.
- 17:22Speaker 1: That matters more than anything else in this file. But
- 17:24Speaker 1: she came out carrying a gap that four days of
- 17:27Speaker 1: the most careful search and rescue work Megan Cooper had
- 17:30Speaker 1: directed in 20 years could not fill. The dogs, the drone,
- 17:34Speaker 1: the four ground teams … The rope assisted descent into
- 17:37Speaker 1: the main cutter hollow drainage. All of it assembled a
- 17:40Speaker 1: picture with one piece that will not fit. There are
- 17:44Speaker 1: questions in this record that honest investigation cannot answer. Where
- 17:48Speaker 1: Marsha went after 9.51 in the morning, on October 13th,
- 17:52Speaker 1: whether she paused that GPS herself, and why. How the
- 17:57Speaker 1: vest traveled two miles through terrain that required a rope
- 18:00Speaker 1: to navigate. what the lurching figure at mile four was,
- 18:04Speaker 1: and where it went. Whether the argument at Cutter Hollow
- 18:07Speaker 1: was the last ordinary moment before everything stopped making sense,
- 18:11Speaker 1: or whether it was simply an argument between people under
- 18:14Speaker 1: pressure in hard country, the kind that happens and then passes.
- 18:18Speaker 1: Megan Cooper closed the file. That was the right call
- 18:21Speaker 1: given what the evidence showed. Closing a file is not
- 18:23Speaker 1: the same as answering its questions. Cooper knew that. She
- 18:27Speaker 1: wrote it into the report. Marsha Sanders is back in
- 18:29Speaker 1: Twin Falls. The record does not follow her further than that.
- 18:33Speaker 2: What she lives with.
- 18:34Speaker 1: The knowledge that somewhere in three days of her own life,
- 18:37Speaker 1: she did something she cannot remember, something that left an
- 18:40Speaker 1: orange vest hanging in rope-access terrain, with her name facing out.
- 18:45Speaker 1: That is hers alone to carry. The wilderness kept most
- 18:48Speaker 1: of what happened. It usually does.
- 18:51Speaker 2: This show was made by Oboe Media.