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ANGELS MAILBAG: Why is owner Arte Moreno reluctant to shell out big bucks for pitchers? · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

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Speaker 1: Well, hey Angel fans, and welcome to Halo Territory. I
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Speaker 1: am Mike D. Giovanna, former Early Times Baseball writer and
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Speaker 1: host of the show, joined by my regular co host
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Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo, the former Angel slugger. Today, we're going to
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Speaker 1: dip into the mail bag again, haven't had one in
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Speaker 1: a while. Always loved the questions from the fans. First,
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Speaker 1: we want to wrap up a little business with the
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Speaker 1: All Star break and some loose ends from that Twins
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Speaker 1: series over the weekend, Mark, what'd you think of that
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Speaker 1: home run derby Jordan Walker the Cardinals with a walk
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Speaker 1: off win? And you know, just wondering what you thought
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Speaker 1: of the format, especially compared to when you did it
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Speaker 1: a few years back.
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Speaker 2: I think I needed a change.
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Speaker 3: I think they've been trying to change it, trying to
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Speaker 3: figure out what's going to work. Had gotten very stale,
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Speaker 3: and I think that you know, a lot of fun
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Speaker 3: memory is well Chris Berman back back back, but eventually.
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Speaker 2: Everything runs its course. And I thought, I.
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Speaker 3: Think most did you start to hear enough people say
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Speaker 3: that they're either uninterested.
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Speaker 2: Not going to watch.
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Speaker 3: It's boring, and you see a lot of the players
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Speaker 3: don't even hang out till the end, But yeah, they had.
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Speaker 3: I thought the commentary was really interesting and unique. You
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Speaker 3: have Barry Bonds, you had Albert Poole's and some others
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Speaker 3: preaching a lot of the same things that I buy into.
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Speaker 3: As far as hitting and Jordan Walker, well, you're gonna
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Speaker 3: have to take my word for it. It was my
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Speaker 3: wife and a friend I said that that was my pick.
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Speaker 3: In addition to Breck and Rich's giving us a few
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Speaker 3: questions and why, I said, I don't really know, but
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Speaker 3: why not? And you like his swing, He's got leverage,
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Speaker 3: and I know that he seems pretty like a pretty
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Speaker 3: cool customer. Now, those Philly fans were I don't think
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Speaker 3: they were pulling for him, not remotely.
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Speaker 2: Tough places.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, facing Shore over two in the final, right, he
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Speaker 1: didn't have a chance.
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Speaker 3: He was he was, but he uh, he came through
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Speaker 3: and it was you know what it made for good
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Speaker 3: television Netflix? I think, Well, I know their camera angles
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Speaker 3: were less than ideal at some points, and the first
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Speaker 3: year doing it baseball, you know, especially with like the
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Speaker 3: draft the other day, you gotta follow trying you know,
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Speaker 3: multiple platforms, and I didn't think that was great. Uh,
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Speaker 3: watching the first picks and then you got to switch
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Speaker 3: over and just the way it's going. But I thought
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Speaker 3: it was, uh, you know, the fans will decide if
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Speaker 3: if the format was better or not this year. I personally,
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Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, nice finish, It made for good, good TV.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of the format changed as well,
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Speaker 1: was in keeping the players in mind. Do you feel
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Speaker 1: like it was a little less taxing physically than it
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Speaker 1: has been in the past for the players?
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Speaker 3: I think I think so that that format that I
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Speaker 3: first did in two thousand twelve with the outs was
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Speaker 3: far less taxing than the time to the five or
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Speaker 3: was it three minutes, five minutes, whatever it is. It
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Speaker 3: felt like thirty minutes of hitting. You're taking full, maximum
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Speaker 3: effort swings. It is incredibly fatigue and you're not used
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Speaker 3: to that either. So well, most might say, like, oh,
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Speaker 3: you know, just to do that every day in batting practice.
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Speaker 2: No you don't. No, I didn't miss it.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was really getting into either,
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Speaker 3: you know, for various reasons, I said, probably this makes sense,
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Speaker 3: and I know that there's not a lot of guys,
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Speaker 3: it's not a line down the street willing to do
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Speaker 3: this event. So I think they were really fortunate this
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Speaker 3: year to get some really good players to buy in
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Speaker 3: and give it a shot. Hopefully this format may convince
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Speaker 3: others to do it in the future.
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Speaker 1: So the Angels another rough series over the weekend in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: They lost two of three to fall to thirty eight
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Speaker 1: and fifty nine. They will enter the post All Star
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Speaker 1: Break eleven and a half games behind Texas in the
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Speaker 1: Ale West, and they're tied with the Kansas City Royals
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Speaker 1: for the worst record in Major League Baseball. What's one
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Speaker 1: thing that set out to me in that series, Mark,
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Speaker 1: I think for both of us is this sort of continued,
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Speaker 1: sort of decline of Jose Siriano with another really so
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Speaker 1: so so start on Sunday, five inning, pitch three in rounds,
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Speaker 1: two walks, you think, eh, you know, maybe you'll take it.
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Speaker 1: Zero strikeouts first time in twenty starts this season he
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Speaker 1: has now struck out a batter. This is the guy
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Speaker 1: who opened the season within zero point two four e
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Speaker 1: r A in his first six starts. He has a
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Speaker 1: five point four e RA in his last fourteen starts.
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Speaker 1: That's not that's no longer you know a small sample size.
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Speaker 1: That's a pretty that's a downward spiral. What's what's going
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Speaker 1: on with this guy? I wish I knew. I saw
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Speaker 1: as comments I think to Fletch that were kind of
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Speaker 1: he said he thinks the overall picture, the numbers are
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Speaker 1: still pretty good, and he acknowledged it wasn't what it's
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Speaker 1: not as good as it was in the beginning of
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Speaker 1: the year. I kind of wonder if his start was
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Speaker 1: something that even it caught him by surprise as well.
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Speaker 1: Jim Palmer always talks about being able to you know,
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Speaker 1: if you have a good outing or especially maybe even
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Speaker 1: a good pitch, you try and bottle that so you
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Speaker 1: can remember it, you know what it feels like, you
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Speaker 1: can repeat it. With Soriano, I don't know if that's
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Speaker 1: happening at all. I think that he seems to his
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Speaker 1: his I look at all the advanced reports and the metrics,
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Speaker 1: he still is kind of his repertoire floats kind of
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Speaker 1: in the wind, and I assume he is game planning
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Speaker 1: for the team he's facing. But what I don't see
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Speaker 1: is him kind of committing to his best stuff and saying,
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Speaker 1: come and get it to the opposing hitters. It seems
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Speaker 1: like he's trying to kind of bob and weave based
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Speaker 1: on who he's facing. And I think his stuff, especially
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Speaker 1: early in the year, is more than good enough to say,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't care who's at the plate.
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Speaker 3: You're not gonna hit my You know, my pitches are
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Speaker 3: going to the way they move, the velocity. So I'd
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Speaker 3: like to see him get a little angrier too. I
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Speaker 3: don't know if I know it's may not be in
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Speaker 3: his DNA, but it's all right to look a little
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Speaker 3: pissed off. I don't know why they took him out
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Speaker 3: after seventy five, seventy seven pitches.
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Speaker 2: I nobody really knew.
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Speaker 3: The broadcast was a little bewildered as well, and what
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Speaker 3: happened then. Yet still seth have to go more than usual,
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Speaker 3: more than you know, a singular inning, and Zephyr John
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Speaker 3: as well as Zephor John gave up by a home
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Speaker 3: run after having a clean inning, and he's been pitching
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Speaker 3: much better. Still, set punched out four batters too, So
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Speaker 3: the short start, it's I think we got to maybe
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Speaker 3: a question about that in the mail bag too.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we do. Last thing, I'm sorry, and this
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Speaker 1: has come up in a couple of conversations on had
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Speaker 1: with people, and I don't know if you see this too.
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Speaker 1: Some people wonder if he's too nice. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that you I mean, I think you do need somewhat
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Speaker 1: of a killer instinct, at least when you're on the mound.
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Speaker 1: You know, he can be the nicest guy off the field.
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Speaker 1: I've known plenty of guys who are like that over
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Speaker 1: the years. But would he benefit from, as you say,
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Speaker 1: maybe being a little bit angrier on the mound. I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's a lack of effort, because we see
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Speaker 1: this guy sweating his tail off, and you know he's in,
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Speaker 1: he's involved, he's mentally involved that he really cares. He's
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Speaker 1: a really good kid. I just wonder sometimes maybe that
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Speaker 1: develops over time with guys. I don't know. He kind
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Speaker 1: of reminds me a little Irvin Santana, you know, going
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Speaker 1: back twenty years or so, really soft spoken, really nice
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Speaker 1: kid off the field, and he eventually developed into a
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Speaker 1: pretty good picture.
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Speaker 3: But it took a little while trying to find the
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Speaker 3: right adjective. But you gotta be a prick out there.
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Speaker 3: You have to be, and it's hopefully you just keep
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Speaker 3: it between the lines. But take a guy like her,
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Speaker 3: I mean, Kershaw's never had a controversy in his life,
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Speaker 3: revered great teammate. But when you're out there, he's trying
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Speaker 3: to embarrass you and you never once laid cookie and
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Speaker 3: they're the only time was in a ball Midwest league
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Speaker 3: and I got him three and.
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Speaker 2: Oh the lone homer. He got hack of a lot
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Speaker 2: more than I ever got him. But a fierce competitor.
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Speaker 2: We've fierce competitor.
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Speaker 3: You know, tons of others Lackey and you see it.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I can keep rattling off names, but
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Speaker 3: it's got it's the look, and it's the determination. It's
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Speaker 3: usually guys that you know. Hopefully they they pushed back
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Speaker 3: the right way on coming out of the game.
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Speaker 2: But it's not just okay, there's five minutes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, that's not approach. I think can backfire,
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Speaker 1: right if you're too emotional out there and you get
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Speaker 1: pissed off at everything. But would you say that especially
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Speaker 1: I think lacking weaver the first two that come to
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Speaker 1: my mind. I think it having that edge elevates a
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Speaker 1: really good picture into a great one. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: can it make a mediocre picture really good or great?
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it just seems like that's that's
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Speaker 1: that's that one thing you know missing with Sorry? Do
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Speaker 1: you think it it can really elevate his game if
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Speaker 1: he were to be a little I think.
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Speaker 3: You should have borrowed some of Patrick Sandoval's frustration and anger.
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Speaker 3: But that's that's where that's the other side of it,
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Speaker 3: where you know everything in moderation too little with sorry,
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Speaker 3: And I thought at times with with sand of Baal
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Speaker 3: he was pretty demonstrative. And but if I had to
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Speaker 3: pick between the two, kind of like the guy that
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Speaker 3: redlines a little bit more and and.
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Speaker 2: Work on that.
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Speaker 3: No, Seriously, it's really hard to get when I work
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Speaker 3: with amateurs and that if you don't see the fire,
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Speaker 3: it's sometimes hard to find it. I'd rather have to
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Speaker 3: talk to a kid about toning it back a little bit.
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Speaker 3: You can do that through perspective and maturity things like that, but.
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Speaker 2: Trying to rev the engine. Good luck.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo and
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Speaker 1: Mike d. Gievano. Let's get right into the mail bag.
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Speaker 1: First question from Noah Share on x Mark. How do
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Speaker 1: you balance the fact that it seems Kurt Suzuki has
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Speaker 1: no pulse or respect from the room and also the
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Speaker 1: fact that he was given the roster he was given.
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Speaker 1: They're on pace to lose one hundred games for the
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Speaker 1: first time in franchise history, and it seems there's no
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Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel. Well, I'm glad
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Speaker 1: this one went to Mark. It seems like you might
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Speaker 1: have written it. I did not write this question.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell me what was the first part of it? Again?
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Speaker 1: How do you balance the fact that it seems Kurtzuzuki
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Speaker 1: has no pulse or respect from the room and also
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Speaker 1: the fact that he was given the roster He was given.
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Speaker 3: The roster part that's that's on the previous general manager
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: Uh. I don't know what else to say about that.
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Speaker 3: As far as maximizing the talent on the roster, that
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Speaker 3: comes down to the instruction and the information given A
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Speaker 3: nice blend modern world with the analytics and hopefully.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: That's one of the things that the coaching staff in
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Speaker 3: the preseason when we highlighted it, and an interesting the
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Speaker 3: most interesting coaching staff in the game. I think they
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Speaker 3: don't get talked about hardly ever except for some of
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Speaker 3: these reasons. But more experience than probably every staff out
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Speaker 3: there by far, I'd say, but I don't. I don't
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Speaker 3: know how if they're this is the lemma with these
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Speaker 3: some of these young players. Is it resonating, is it
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Speaker 3: making sense? Are they listening to the instructions that the
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Speaker 3: team is giving, or do you have the outside influences
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Speaker 3: still sneaking in the back door with some of the
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Speaker 3: training things that I've said before. As far as commanding respect,
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Speaker 3: I'm not in that locker room. I don't know, and
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Speaker 3: I'm not. It's kind of awkward going around asking, but
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Speaker 3: I I from from what it appears, uh, it could.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Kurt.
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Speaker 3: Kurt is being himself, and I think that when you're
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Speaker 3: evaluating who to hire, I was, okay, I'll give you
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Speaker 3: an example. And events like once said that Cess Smith
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Speaker 3: X teammate of mine and me. He said, I might
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Speaker 3: make the better bench coach and Seth might make a
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Speaker 3: better manager. Thought it was a little too uh well,
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Speaker 3: emotional at times, more steady. Yes, So I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I've worked hard at it, but uh more of than
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Speaker 3: Joe Joe Tory mold. But I think Andy had a
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Speaker 3: point there in evaluating personalities and and you know, saying, hey,
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Speaker 3: for this role, you might be And in this case,
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying Kurt's not a managerial material, but he
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Speaker 3: was thrust into the fire. I think he was coaching
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Speaker 3: youth baseball and then he you know, was his under
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Speaker 3: the tutelage of Perry learning how to manage major league baseball.
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Speaker 3: Where Perry learned how to manage big league baseball. Maybe
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Speaker 3: you can answer that, but I think it's a learning experience.
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Speaker 3: One thing that's hard, though, is to kind of get
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Speaker 3: respect after maybe you didn't set the tone early. And
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Speaker 3: that's kind of where I fear that.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking as you were speaking.
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Speaker 1: I think it's not in Kurt's dna to like be
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Speaker 1: a you know, a sergeant, you know, and to come
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Speaker 1: down hard on guys. He was just a player himself
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Some of these guys were
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Speaker 1: his teammates, and I think if there was a tone
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Speaker 1: that needed to be said, it was in the beginning
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Speaker 1: of the season when we on the show we talked
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Speaker 1: a lot about a lack of hustle, some perceived pouting.
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Speaker 1: You know, I just think that was the time. And
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Speaker 1: he's also hampered, hamstrung, in my opinion, the fact that
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Speaker 1: he's on a one year contract. He's trying to prove
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Speaker 1: himself as a game manager. It's hard to sort of
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Speaker 1: command a room, and from a player's perspective, I have
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Speaker 1: to think, you know, as a player, not that you're
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Speaker 1: trying to get away with crap, but it's guy's that
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Speaker 1: you're thinking, this guy is on a one year deal.
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Speaker 1: Chances are he's not going to be here. I don't,
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Speaker 1: you know. I think they respect him as a player
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Speaker 1: and what he did in the game, But being a
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Speaker 1: manager is different. And you've said him many times in
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Speaker 1: the show, These players today are different. Maybe some have
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Speaker 1: to be coddled, maybe some have to be kicking the
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Speaker 1: rear ends, maybe some's a balance in between. But it's
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Speaker 1: tough to do all that. When you're on a one
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Speaker 1: year contract, you have no security and you know, you
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Speaker 1: have no idea where you're going to be next year.
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Speaker 1: It's certainly not a long term play for Kurt here.
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Speaker 1: Second question from doctor Ben and Coronadol Mar Mike, why
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Speaker 1: do you think Artie Moreno has been reluctant to ever
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Speaker 1: shell out the real big dollar for a pitcher. Jared
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Speaker 1: Weavers five year, eighty five million deal is the highest
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Speaker 1: he's ever gone, that's true. Do you think he would
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Speaker 1: have actually gone anywhere near what the Yankees did for
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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole before pivoting to Anthony Rendon. Well, Ben, Garrett
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Speaker 1: Cole is the reason Anthony Rendo ended up in Anaheim.
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Speaker 1: To get back to your original part of the question,
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Speaker 1: though Arty has always been infatuated with hitters. You know,
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Speaker 1: he did sign Bartolo Cologne his first year as owner,
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Speaker 1: along with Vladimir Guerrero and Kelvy Mescobar, another really good
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Speaker 1: pitcher in those championship teams, So he's not It's not
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Speaker 1: that he won't spend money on pitching, but when it
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Speaker 1: comes to the big money, you know, Albert poolhost two
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Speaker 1: hundred two hundred forty million Josh Hamilton, which was a
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Speaker 1: real Arty Moreno in John Carpino production one hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty five million. They went out and got Vernon Wells.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think he had one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: million left on his contract, and they did pursue Garrett Cole.
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Speaker 1: They were right in there to the end. I've talked
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Speaker 1: to Scott Boris about this many times. I think they
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Speaker 1: were just not quite willing to go to that next level.
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Speaker 1: What was Cole's contract? Again, I forget the final three? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so there you go. So the Angels are right in it.
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Speaker 1: And I think what happened is that money kind of
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Speaker 1: burned a hole in Alreaty's pocket, and it's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: who else is out there? WHOA just Anthony Rundown just
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Speaker 1: coming off a thirty six homer one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: four RBI season, leads the Nationals of the World Series title. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this guy looks good. And Artie was a little infatuated
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Speaker 1: with him. He knew his college coach in Houston, and well, boy,
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Speaker 1: we don't have to talk about how that one worked out.
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Speaker 2: So I think he got muscled out by the Yankees.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he did. The Yankees just went a little farther,
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Speaker 1: a little further with that contract. Artie was right. The
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Speaker 1: Angels are right there. You know, if you talk to
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Speaker 1: Scott about it, I'll tell you, and I think he
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Speaker 1: has quotes on the record saying that, so they were close.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting with John Moseylock.
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Speaker 3: You know, it just seems to me that, I mean,
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Speaker 3: there's a number of teams will get to the playoffs
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Speaker 3: with the low pay rolls, but how many of them
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Speaker 3: they generally are not the ones left standing and Phillies
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Speaker 3: and some of these teams they you have a few
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Speaker 3: guys that are making you know, they're well twenty five
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Speaker 3: per or whatever it comes out to, and that might
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Speaker 3: be over five seasons. So one hundred and twenty five
18:29
Speaker 3: million boxes is you know, there's most rotations have on
18:34
Speaker 3: the higher payroll teams, guys that make those types of
18:38
Speaker 3: dollars and Angels have been very reluctant to have a
18:42
Speaker 3: really Kakuchi recently. But that's really not on the level
18:45
Speaker 3: that we're talking about.
18:46
Speaker 1: No, not at all. And now you have to wonder
18:48
Speaker 1: how many some of these guys are signing before they
18:50
Speaker 1: get the free agency. The'll be interesting how many of
18:53
Speaker 1: these pitchers are even going to be available over the
18:54
Speaker 1: next few years. From Steven Smith, one of our regular viewers,
18:59
Speaker 1: thank you Stephen Mark, how do hitters go about recognizing pitches?
19:05
Speaker 1: I've heard you refer to pitchers tipping with their gloves
19:07
Speaker 1: and some references to arm angles giving information away. Are
19:11
Speaker 1: there other things that might factor in as well?
19:16
Speaker 3: To not go forty five minutes, I will try. I
19:20
Speaker 3: think for hitters, it starts with getting enough reps to
19:25
Speaker 3: even know what pitches what, and it took me a
19:28
Speaker 3: long time. I remember when I first signed, I had
19:32
Speaker 3: no approach at all, and I was, as we talked
19:34
Speaker 3: about in the last episode, a pitcher first out of
19:37
Speaker 3: high school and transition to hitting. I remember facing Kerry
19:41
Speaker 3: Wood and would have been extended spring training and hacked
19:46
Speaker 3: at three breaking balls that we may have landed in
19:48
Speaker 3: the grass and just no clue. He had to be
19:52
Speaker 3: laughing his rear off.
19:54
Speaker 2: But I didn't.
19:55
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to attack anything, especially sliders too
20:00
Speaker 3: for a couple of Triple A guys up and down
20:03
Speaker 3: major league guys, and I was like, I'm never going
20:05
Speaker 3: to hit that pitch in my life. What I had
20:07
Speaker 3: to realize was, first of all, it wasn't a strike.
20:11
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to hit it to the right part
20:13
Speaker 3: of the field, and I needed to get a whole
20:16
Speaker 3: lot more selective, and that just took repetitions. Now, as
20:19
Speaker 3: far as pitchers given away stuff, the big glove is
20:21
Speaker 3: the easiest. If we're talking about pitch tipping, that generally
20:24
Speaker 3: happens when the pitcher has a changeup grip or something else.
20:28
Speaker 3: Ryan Dempster is a guy that you know if you've
20:31
Speaker 3: watched baseball for a while. He wiggled his glove to
20:34
Speaker 3: try and disguise that split finger grip. So when he
20:37
Speaker 3: was wiggling it could be to accommodate that grip. It
20:39
Speaker 3: could also be a fastball in that he was throwing
20:43
Speaker 3: as well. I think there's a few Angel guys, maybe
20:47
Speaker 3: alde Gary Bremner, that could do.
20:51
Speaker 2: A little better job.
20:52
Speaker 3: Now I'm somebody who Tory Hunter was excellent out at
20:56
Speaker 3: Albert Pools was excellent. I was kind of tutored to
20:59
Speaker 3: notice these things. Craig Graybeck was was outstanding, and I
21:02
Speaker 3: was too young to really know what he was saying,
21:04
Speaker 3: but he was a hawk. And if they're going to
21:07
Speaker 3: give you the information, I'm going to take it. And Okay,
21:10
Speaker 3: one pitcher that's now commentating on one of the streaming platforms,
21:16
Speaker 3: you know, but for.
21:17
Speaker 2: A while he was throwing.
21:19
Speaker 3: I didn't realize, but Paul Goldsmith filled me and nobody's playing.
21:23
Speaker 2: Well, Paul's still playing, but it doesn't matter.
21:25
Speaker 3: Adam was throwing his one pitch from one side of
21:27
Speaker 3: the rubber and the other pitch from the other side
21:29
Speaker 3: of the rubber, and for some reason I hadn't picked
21:33
Speaker 3: up on that. When I saw it, I was saying,
21:34
Speaker 3: you got to be kidding me, you know. It was
21:39
Speaker 3: it was like, how is he this is getting away
21:41
Speaker 3: with murder?
21:41
Speaker 2: Now?
21:42
Speaker 3: He had really nice stuff for right, It was very
21:44
Speaker 3: uncomfortable at bat, but it made it easier. It made
21:46
Speaker 3: it easier so I could at least lay off the
21:49
Speaker 3: slider a little bit, you know, with ease as opposed
21:53
Speaker 3: to just thinking everything's the same. So sometimes you don't
21:56
Speaker 3: see the ball at all. Sometimes got guys like smile
22:01
Speaker 3: and stuff, weird stuff you've just got to really watch.
22:03
Speaker 3: And if your head is buried watching your own mechanics
22:07
Speaker 3: from your previous at bat, you're not going to see
22:09
Speaker 3: any of these these things. So I like to sit
22:11
Speaker 3: on the top rail and if guys did that, and
22:15
Speaker 3: then the last thing I'll say is the arm slot.
22:18
Speaker 3: If a guy some of these things are imperceptible. You
22:20
Speaker 3: can't always put your finger on what is going on
22:22
Speaker 3: or what you're looking at. But if you're going to
22:24
Speaker 3: give me an eight degree difference, we've talked about story Ono,
22:28
Speaker 3: even the worst hitter can notice something, and it's one
22:31
Speaker 3: of those things where it's kind of the subconscious, but
22:33
Speaker 3: you might keep your hands back or your weight back,
22:36
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it a tad bit longer
22:39
Speaker 3: because you're like man that he kind of does this
22:41
Speaker 3: every time on the off speed and then on the fastball.
22:45
Speaker 2: If you're giving away when a fastball.
22:47
Speaker 3: Is coming, good luck, because that most most every big
22:52
Speaker 3: league hitter, if they know it's coming, can turn it around.
22:54
Speaker 3: So I can get more into this on other episodes,
22:57
Speaker 3: but we got a few other questions. Hopefully that made
22:59
Speaker 3: a little bit of.
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24:08
Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo and
24:10
Speaker 1: Mike D. Givana. Next question from rally Monkey one. The
24:14
Speaker 1: Angels clearly favored contact hitters over power hitters and last
24:18
Speaker 1: weekend's draft. Do you think this shift is specific to
24:21
Speaker 1: the Angels under new GM John Mozelock or does it
24:25
Speaker 1: reflect a wider shift in the game away from an
24:29
Speaker 1: emphasis on power in launch angle and more toward contact
24:33
Speaker 1: and fewer strikeouts. Wow, that's a good question. I'm not sure.
24:38
Speaker 1: I haven't answer to that. I can only say that
24:40
Speaker 1: I hope it is a shift in the game away
24:44
Speaker 1: from power and launch angle. Uh. You know, they're always
24:48
Speaker 1: trying to inject more action in the games. Even a
24:52
Speaker 1: lot of the you know, the time clock, the shifts,
24:55
Speaker 1: a lot of the lot of the changes we've seen
24:57
Speaker 1: pretty dramatic changes over the last few years are there
25:01
Speaker 1: to speed up the game, but also to get more
25:03
Speaker 1: action in the game. And I just think from a
25:05
Speaker 1: fans perspective, when you're walking, when you're striking out and
25:09
Speaker 1: home runs are great, but those other true outcomes are
25:11
Speaker 1: just pretty darn boring. And we've mentioned it on this
25:14
Speaker 1: show before. I think, you know, a solo home run
25:18
Speaker 1: is a solo homer, and that's great. But when you
25:20
Speaker 1: put two guys on with maybe a a beat out,
25:23
Speaker 1: an infield single, putting in the gap, and then you
25:25
Speaker 1: hit a home run, you know, that's how you put
25:28
Speaker 1: pressure on opposing pitches. That's how you drive their pitch
25:30
Speaker 1: counts up, that's how you make them work. And I
25:34
Speaker 1: think I think that's what makes the game a little
25:36
Speaker 1: more interesting. What do you think, Mark?
25:39
Speaker 2: I agree.
25:40
Speaker 3: I think that pitching is most definitely evolved. They know
25:44
Speaker 3: what they're doing, they have it down to a science.
25:47
Speaker 3: I've heard this from many many people. Doesn't mean it's
25:50
Speaker 3: always going to work, no, but at least the understanding
25:53
Speaker 3: of how to teach pitches. They have the cameras. I mean,
25:57
Speaker 3: it's crazy the technology. The hitting side still have figured
26:01
Speaker 3: out much, and I don't know if they ever will.
26:03
Speaker 3: You have the kves for sequencing, you have the trajet machines,
26:08
Speaker 3: you have all this stuff, and hitting still going one way.
26:11
Speaker 3: So how are they gonna How is the game going
26:13
Speaker 3: to combat these The pitchers that have they're throwing harder,
26:17
Speaker 3: the movement's nastier, and maybe goofing with the baseballs.
26:20
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not sure, but.
26:23
Speaker 3: I think that there are people are coming around to
26:25
Speaker 3: the idea that the launch angle swings may not be
26:31
Speaker 3: the best formula to combat these nasty pictures. Too much
26:35
Speaker 3: swing and miss, as you said, and ultimately, this is
26:38
Speaker 3: an entertainment business, and if the product gets stale, I mean,
26:42
Speaker 3: I don't watch any NBA basketball, used to watch a lot,
26:44
Speaker 3: but from what I understand, just tucking up threes a lot. Now,
26:50
Speaker 3: maybe you watch I know you I do not soccer
26:55
Speaker 3: then uh the world yeah, yeah, as do millions, billions
27:01
Speaker 3: of others. But in the NBA, you know, it's gone
27:03
Speaker 3: to an analytical game. A lot of three pointers doesn't
27:06
Speaker 3: probably resemble what I liked with the Robert Ory and
27:08
Speaker 3: the Lakers. But if the fans start to if it
27:13
Speaker 3: gets boring, you know, fourteen strikeouts, that's not fun to watch.
27:16
Speaker 1: I don't.
27:16
Speaker 2: I don't like to watch for that.
27:18
Speaker 3: That's not triples in the gap, that's not stolen bases,
27:21
Speaker 3: it's not Oh the Angels did try and sack punt
27:23
Speaker 3: the other day, other goosebun another you know, interesting attempt,
27:27
Speaker 3: a little stabby was in the air. Fortunately didn't get caught.
27:30
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, the game shifting. I like it. I mean,
27:34
Speaker 3: I don't know, despite what I was somebody had asked me,
27:37
Speaker 3: I think in the YouTube comments. I like watching pure hitters.
27:40
Speaker 3: I like watching high average hitters. I always have tried
27:44
Speaker 3: to be one myself to the best of my ability.
27:46
Speaker 2: Didn't always shake.
27:47
Speaker 3: Out that way, and I was called on to do,
27:50
Speaker 3: you know, some different things. So I like where it's going.
27:54
Speaker 3: I like it's clearly a shifting.
27:56
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't.
27:56
Speaker 3: You don't draft guys with contact oriented approaches one after
28:00
Speaker 3: to the next if you're not signaling something all right?
28:04
Speaker 1: From Halo, Susie and Tustin. Mike, on a recent episode,
28:06
Speaker 1: you said Donovan Walton was providing the highest at bat
28:10
Speaker 1: quality on the team. Guilty, And a few days later,
28:14
Speaker 1: when Mike Trout returned, he was designated for insignment and
28:17
Speaker 1: signed with the Athletics. What gives, good question? Uh? What
28:22
Speaker 1: gave was? I think when Mike Trout came back to
28:25
Speaker 1: this hamstring injury, whether he uh, regardless of what he
28:30
Speaker 1: says publicly about wanting to play center field, I think
28:32
Speaker 1: the Angels are. I think it's pretty clear they're going
28:34
Speaker 1: to pace him in the second half. They're gonna give
28:36
Speaker 1: him more DH days, more days off. And you know,
28:41
Speaker 1: they wanted to keep the right handed bat and Jose
28:43
Speaker 1: Siri and they need another outfielder and Donovan Walton does
28:46
Speaker 1: not play the outfield. I hated to see him go.
28:50
Speaker 1: The other thing I think they're looking at is I
28:52
Speaker 1: think Donovan is what thirty five years old, so he's
28:56
Speaker 1: oh thirty two, Okay, so not as old as I thought.
28:59
Speaker 1: But still, you know, on the other side of thirty,
29:01
Speaker 1: you can't look at a guy like that and say, oh,
29:03
Speaker 1: is this guy in our long term plans? Probably not.
29:06
Speaker 1: I just thought he was a really really nice looking
29:09
Speaker 1: hitter and fit the kind of the mold of the
29:11
Speaker 1: guys were just talking about contact, you know, tough at bats,
29:16
Speaker 1: you know, gap to gap with a little pop, and
29:21
Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was sorry to see him go.
29:23
Speaker 1: I think he brought a lot to this team when
29:25
Speaker 1: he when he played. Not the greatest defense or defensive player,
29:29
Speaker 1: I'll admit that, but offensively, he was bringing a lot
29:32
Speaker 1: to the table, and he thought smart, he was.
29:36
Speaker 3: He was putting together arguably the best another unheralded outfielders
29:42
Speaker 3: has been.
29:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, hitting pretty well too, for sure.
29:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I think it's the age thing. The agent curve,
29:50
Speaker 3: thirty two years old, I'm not probably out of options
29:54
Speaker 3: almost certainly, so, if not, I don't know. They were
29:58
Speaker 3: probably hoping that he would, I guess, sneak through the
30:00
Speaker 3: waiver process and go back into the organization. But that
30:03
Speaker 3: would be a little awkward too, because it's like, I mean,
30:06
Speaker 3: I was crushing for you, so it came down to
30:10
Speaker 3: long term plans, question Mark, and they preferred I assume Perrazza,
30:17
Speaker 3: even though I mean, he's got to find some hits
30:19
Speaker 3: over this All Star break or find this find the stroke,
30:21
Speaker 3: because he it's it's ugly, and I think he's at
30:26
Speaker 3: is wrapping a little bit too much, meaning his barrels
30:28
Speaker 3: pointing towards the pitcher, and he's not he's not squaring
30:34
Speaker 3: up the pitches. He needs to square up like he
30:36
Speaker 3: was earlier. So I'd like to see an adjustment from
30:38
Speaker 3: him again, a guy that's maybe a trade target, why
30:41
Speaker 3: you'd hold on to him over Bolton?
30:46
Speaker 1: All right, here's one from Biff Ball and Lakita. Always
30:48
Speaker 1: good to hear from Biff. Our five innings starts really
30:51
Speaker 1: providing value to big league clubs. Seems like the best
30:54
Speaker 1: teams have multiple guys capable of going six innings or more.
30:58
Speaker 1: But it is a hero feet to see a Halo
31:01
Speaker 1: do it once a week. Uh you want to you
31:05
Speaker 1: want to take a stab at this one, Mark.
31:09
Speaker 2: It's what.
31:11
Speaker 3: Guys are doing these days, and maybe what they mentally
31:15
Speaker 3: think is asked of them as well, which would be
31:18
Speaker 3: the problem I would have.
31:19
Speaker 2: I know that guy like Weave.
31:21
Speaker 3: I think he said on the interview I did with him,
31:25
Speaker 3: he took a lot of pride in telling the bullpen, hey,
31:28
Speaker 3: you guys, you know, take it easy today. Didn't mean
31:31
Speaker 3: he was going nine inn's, no, but the mentality was
31:34
Speaker 3: that he was at least seven eight. I think seven
31:39
Speaker 3: was was what guys like him I really wanted to
31:43
Speaker 3: take a lot of pride because that you're really only
31:46
Speaker 3: having you're in your eighth inning guy and your closer
31:49
Speaker 3: by that point. Now, with a fit five inning start
31:52
Speaker 3: or less than a five inning start, you're going to
31:55
Speaker 3: someone is going to be overexposed out there. Who it
31:58
Speaker 3: is depends, and then the next day they're probably going
32:01
Speaker 3: to be down because they threw forty pitches covering two
32:04
Speaker 3: and a third or whatever it is. So I don't
32:08
Speaker 3: I'm sure the analytics scream, don't let these starting pitchers
32:11
Speaker 3: see the opposing hitters a third time through the order.
32:16
Speaker 3: And if the numbers say that, then you know somebody's
32:19
Speaker 3: going to have to figure that problem out. But the
32:21
Speaker 3: best pictures, this is why I've talked about the need
32:23
Speaker 3: for a third pitch. When you have a guy a
32:27
Speaker 3: sure aser Curshaw, you know, on these guys you don't
32:32
Speaker 3: always see that third pitch until the third at bat,
32:35
Speaker 3: and that's when they will start to sprinkle in that
32:38
Speaker 3: extra offering that is usually at least adequate if not.
32:41
Speaker 3: You know, a good pitch and these guys will rely
32:44
Speaker 3: on it. This is the old school approach. But the
32:46
Speaker 3: fastball early on in the game and try and see
32:48
Speaker 3: how far that can take them. Now, I mean the
32:51
Speaker 3: biggest shift to me was in spring training. I get
32:53
Speaker 3: there completely out of shape timing wise, and guys are
32:57
Speaker 3: spinning hammer breaking balls and I'm just like, well, thank
33:00
Speaker 3: you for giving me a look like, I mean, you
33:02
Speaker 3: could lay a meat ball in there and I'm probably
33:04
Speaker 3: not going to hit it. So it's gone to a
33:07
Speaker 3: different style. It's tough to hit, Yes, it is tough
33:10
Speaker 3: to hit, but why aren't pitchers. It's also you got
33:15
Speaker 3: to you got to match, you know, fifteen pitches or
33:17
Speaker 3: less than inning. If you go for the punch till
33:19
Speaker 3: the bitter end, your pitches are going to be up there.
33:21
Speaker 3: I highlighted one of the potential draft picks a slider monster.
33:25
Speaker 3: You know, the Angels throw more off speed than any
33:27
Speaker 3: pitch pitching staff in the game. We highlighted that before
33:30
Speaker 3: it's still is the case. You spinning balls over and
33:33
Speaker 3: over and over. Those balls are usually not you know
33:36
Speaker 3: how many guys landing for strikes? Not too many, and
33:38
Speaker 3: the Angels have a lot of short starts. How about
33:40
Speaker 3: how about your thoughts?
33:41
Speaker 2: What do you think?
33:42
Speaker 1: I think a five innings start, if you're emptying the tank,
33:46
Speaker 1: maybe striking out a lot of guys, driving your pitch
33:48
Speaker 1: count up, and you give up zero one run, I
33:51
Speaker 1: think that can provide value every now and then. But
33:55
Speaker 1: when you are limited to five innings over and over
33:58
Speaker 1: and over again, you are domino effect. We see it
34:02
Speaker 1: all the time. It takes a toe in the bullpen.
34:05
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're using Silseth and Bachmann in
34:08
Speaker 1: the six and seventh inn of maybe a close game,
34:11
Speaker 1: and then the game gets away from you, and then
34:13
Speaker 1: you've lost, and you've already used Bachman and sil Seth
34:16
Speaker 1: and Zephyr John maybe even as well. So unless you
34:19
Speaker 1: have a bullpen like the Dodgers had in twenty twenty
34:23
Speaker 1: four when they won the World Series with basically two
34:25
Speaker 1: and a half starting pitchers, you're not going to get
34:27
Speaker 1: away with that. The Angels especially are not going to
34:30
Speaker 1: get away with that. Because their bullpen, while improved in
34:35
Speaker 1: some areas, is not deep enough to carry that kind
34:40
Speaker 1: of physical burden. So it just it comes back to
34:46
Speaker 1: bite you all the time. And yeah, so that's how
34:50
Speaker 1: I feel about them. Mark. Final question from Shana Wow
34:54
Speaker 1: twenty six on X Guys with the Bees now in
34:59
Speaker 1: their new day Break Ballpark, still sitting at that high
35:02
Speaker 1: elevation in Salt Lake City or actually Salt Lake Valley,
35:06
Speaker 1: I guess is Salt Lakes still a legitimate problem for
35:09
Speaker 1: the Angels when it comes to developing talent and getting
35:11
Speaker 1: accurate performance evaluations. Does the hitter friendly thin air inflate
35:16
Speaker 1: prospects stats too much, especially for pitchers? And how should
35:21
Speaker 1: the front office be adjusting for it when making promotion decisions?
35:25
Speaker 1: That is one loaded question. I'm gonna let Mark take
35:28
Speaker 1: it because he not only played in Salt Lake, he
35:30
Speaker 1: played in the big leagues. And you see the numbers,
35:33
Speaker 1: and we always see that look down your face when
35:37
Speaker 1: you're talking about Triple A numbers and Salt Lakes as
35:42
Speaker 1: guilty as any of these fields and locales for Triple
35:46
Speaker 1: A ball.
35:49
Speaker 3: I think it was really eye opening with Ryan Divish
35:53
Speaker 3: on one of our episodes.
35:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, is Walworth.
35:56
Speaker 3: Going back and revisiting, somebody said, a great episode Mariners
36:00
Speaker 3: Territory or whatever. You know what, it's a good baseball episode.
36:04
Speaker 2: It was.
36:05
Speaker 3: It didn't shatter any records, but for views, but I'm
36:08
Speaker 3: very I was very I thought the insights on there
36:11
Speaker 3: were as good as it gets. The Mariners, for example,
36:13
Speaker 3: they don't like to send their pitching prospects to Tacoma
36:17
Speaker 3: the PCL. Why because it doesn't make any of their
36:21
Speaker 3: pitchers better. You're gonna need to have guys go there.
36:25
Speaker 3: I don't know if those guys think less of themselves
36:28
Speaker 3: or some of the uber prospects.
36:31
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
36:31
Speaker 3: They're better, you know, it's reality, and they're gonna they're
36:35
Speaker 3: gonna take care of those guys. I think the conundrum
36:38
Speaker 3: for the Angels and for the fans, and especially with
36:41
Speaker 3: the social media. And it's no fault. I could understand
36:45
Speaker 3: promoting your club, but every BS game looks like, you know,
36:50
Speaker 3: they hit seven homers and the guy went, you know,
36:53
Speaker 3: seven for four with a it's just it's so you
36:58
Speaker 3: can't make any sense of it.
37:00
Speaker 2: And seven hit some four backs joking.
37:01
Speaker 1: But.
37:03
Speaker 3: These numbers, how do they correlate? How do you dull
37:08
Speaker 3: them down. There's some formulas people have tried to do
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Speaker 3: it before.
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Speaker 2: I was.
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Speaker 3: One thing I disagreed with when I was coming up
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Speaker 3: was that, I don't know, it was a hard subtraction
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Speaker 3: of if you hit this here, you're going to hit
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Speaker 3: this in the major leagues. And I don't really believe
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Speaker 3: that's true. My numbers didn't have incredibly dramatic shift. And
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Speaker 3: it also can kind of present this thought that, hey,
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Speaker 3: the big leagues is really tough.
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Speaker 2: You might you might not be up for you. I
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Speaker 2: don't know.
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Speaker 3: I didn't like that at all. I think that you've
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Speaker 3: got to trust that you're going to get there. Yes,
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Speaker 3: the numbers probably are not going to be the same.
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Speaker 3: Some guys guys actually improve. It's rare, but it happens
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Speaker 3: on the pitching side. If you see a guy doing
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Speaker 3: big things, I mean, it really stands out because the
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Speaker 3: majority of the time those eras, I mean a five
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Speaker 3: might be well above average and it just doesn't look
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Speaker 3: like it looks like, well, not good, what's going on?
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Speaker 3: Is this guy getting rocked? But it's league wide statistics.
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Speaker 3: I think actually in the PCL of four era is outstanding.
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Speaker 3: So if you see anything around there the guys really
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Speaker 3: getting it done. It wasn't that way when I played
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Speaker 3: in Salt Lake. I put up a nice season, the
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Speaker 3: thirty six and one four. I think I hit around
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Speaker 3: three hundred. So yes, it was hit her friendly, but
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Speaker 3: I don't remember missing a ton of balls that went out,
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Speaker 3: Whereas in like playing against the Rockies, there were a
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Speaker 3: couple of real cheapies playing against the Arrangers in the
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Speaker 3: old ballparks, some real cheatys playing in the cal League
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Speaker 3: as a joke, like like Modesto and Lancaster. The wind
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Speaker 3: were just roaring out of these short arts. So but
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Speaker 3: Salt Lake was one of the most enjoyable places I've
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Speaker 3: ever played too. Great city, very under the radar, you know,
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Speaker 3: the fans were into it. We had a nice place
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Speaker 3: to live, didn't break the bank, Like three or four
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Speaker 3: of us living together.
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Speaker 2: That was quite common. I don't know what they do now, but.
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Speaker 3: And it was just it was a It was a
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Speaker 3: weird thing because putting up big numbers, and at least
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Speaker 3: the weird in the sense now evaluating some of these
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Speaker 3: guys and Christian Moore comes to mind, I mean, just
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Speaker 3: it looks like he's dominating that level, and then it's
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Speaker 3: not translating, so I know you gave this one to me.
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Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts? Ski? You got to yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think for offensive players, especially the inflated numbers create
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Speaker 1: unrealistic expectations for the fans. And but as far as pitching,
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Speaker 1: I think I think front offices are well aware of,
39:46
Speaker 1: you know, the atmosphere conditions in some of these places,
39:48
Speaker 1: and there's so much reliance now even on the draft,
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Speaker 1: as we've seen with amateur players. On analytics, they can
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Speaker 1: measure the spin rates and maybe they'll be a little
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Speaker 1: different at aut the but they look at the shapes
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Speaker 1: of pitches, they look at velocity, they're looking at arm angles,
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Speaker 1: release points, you know, how a guy is holding up
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Speaker 1: physically over certain number of pitches or innings. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's how they evaluate players. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: that you know, most front offices are just left in
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Speaker 1: the dark, wondering, oh, this guy hit three point thirty
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Speaker 1: with you know, twenty bombs in the first half at
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Speaker 1: Salt Eke. He comes up here and he can't hit anything.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're fulled that way. I think they know,
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Speaker 1: you know, you hear it often when guys come up
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Speaker 1: Oh maybe his numbers weren't that great, but we felt
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Speaker 1: he was, you know, his quality contact was good. Maybe
40:35
Speaker 1: his line drive rate, his barrel rate is really good.
40:39
Speaker 1: Maybe his velo or is good. So there, there's so
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Speaker 1: many other ways to measure the game then just peer
40:47
Speaker 1: numbers and stats traditional stats right now, and I think
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Speaker 1: that's how the front offices are handling it. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if the on the heading side, so like,
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Speaker 3: if there was one stat that I I hate, batting average,
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Speaker 3: might be trying to translate some of the salt Lake numbers.
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Speaker 3: The home runs. It seems like a guy's hit a
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Speaker 3: lot of them, but like Rada is an interesting one,
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Speaker 3: he's not why, I don't know why. I have a
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Speaker 3: little more confidence that he will translate better because he's
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Speaker 3: having somewhat of a mundane See he's not lighting the
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Speaker 3: world on fire. He's having a nice season. He's very young,
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Speaker 3: but it just seems like it looks more normal. And
41:29
Speaker 3: you kind of wonder too, you know, if a guys
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Speaker 3: used to just you know, dominating, and then there is
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Speaker 3: kind of a reaver of effect when you get up here,
41:37
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe it's the opposite. Now, young Guzman
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Speaker 3: is learning, he ran into some pitches. He's generally doing
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Speaker 3: damage earlier in the count, and he's got some holes
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Speaker 3: in the swing. The ops is I think south of
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Speaker 3: seven hundred, but he's played nice defense, which is maybe
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Speaker 3: the big deciding factor for a young player. Do you
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Speaker 3: stick or do you go a nice defense. It looks
41:58
Speaker 3: like Christian Moore is no longer playing any left field
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Speaker 3: in Salt Lake either, so maybe on another episode you
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Speaker 3: can kind of get into what the plan.
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Speaker 2: Is for that young man.
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