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Evan Engram on Leadership and Sacrifice | The O-Zone Podcast · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Soon.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior writer Sean Osher.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome into this week's Ozone podcast, And I'm excited about
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  Speaker 3: this guest. I'm sure any fans listening to this is.
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  Speaker 3: In two years he has become one of the best
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  Speaker 3: guys to deal with from my position and also a
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  Speaker 3: true team leader who can speak to a lot of
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  Speaker 3: issues on this team. Jaguars tight end Evan Ingram, thanks
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  Speaker 3: for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: No problem. I glad to be here.
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  Speaker 3: As I was thinking about this, I've only covered you
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years, but year seven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy, Yeah, it's wild to think about just so
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  Speaker 1: much football has passed by, a lot of lessons learned,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of great memories, and it just goes by
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  Speaker 1: so fast. But it's cool, though, because it does seem
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  Speaker 1: like a long time. But you know, getting here definitely
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  Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air. Yeah, the last two years,
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  Speaker 1: it feels like I'm just getting started.
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  Speaker 3: But you're sort of right at that point, and some
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  Speaker 3: guys at your age you past the point, but it
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  Speaker 3: still feels like you're in that prime if you will,
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  Speaker 3: old enough to know what's going on. Yeah, young enough
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  Speaker 3: to still be able to take advantage of all you know,
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  Speaker 3: right for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of maturity has occurred, definitely the past
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  Speaker 1: five years of my career. You know, the rookie year,
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  Speaker 1: the second year was just a whirlwind, and then I
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  Speaker 1: kind of really sat down, went through some adversity, you know,
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  Speaker 1: responded to that, learn more about the game, Learned how
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  Speaker 1: to keep myself on the field, take care of my body,
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  Speaker 1: you know, become a leader, you know, lead by example,
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  Speaker 1: pool people, you know, pool people with me, poll teammates
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  Speaker 1: with me, learn how to follow other leaders as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just you know, kind of really funny seeing the big
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  Speaker 1: picture and everything is you know, everything's connected on how
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  Speaker 1: you take care of yourself off the field and how
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  Speaker 1: you you know, play and operate inside the locker room
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  Speaker 1: and on the field.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's interesting you say that your first round pick
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  Speaker 3: played in the SEC, big time player coming out, and
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  Speaker 3: yet you use the phrase you here so often first
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  Speaker 3: two years of whirlwind. It takes that long, doesn't it
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  Speaker 3: for young players to feel like they belong and they're
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  Speaker 3: doing it, And yeah, probably most young players.
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  Speaker 1: That's well, yeah, it's uh, it's you know, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of frustrating, uh to see you know, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of you know, media talking heads out there that will
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  Speaker 1: crucify a player sure for not you know, being what
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  Speaker 1: they expected them to be off the rip. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a true I have a true testimony of that,
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  Speaker 1: you know really really maybe maybe not in the best situation,
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  Speaker 1: but also you know, not you know, doing exactly everything
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  Speaker 1: I can do to be successful. And I had to learn,
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  Speaker 1: uh learned to do that. So yeah, it takes time.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, there are guys that, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: figure it out right away and you know, they fall
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  Speaker 1: in a good situation and and they know how to
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  Speaker 1: handle it and success comes fast. And there's guys that
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  Speaker 1: you know, have the talent and have the ability, you
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  Speaker 1: just have to learn and just get around that curve
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  Speaker 1: a little bit and uh, you know, find their way
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, start to have some success that
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  Speaker 1: they were expected to have.
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  Speaker 3: How many guys have you seen, I'm sure as a
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  Speaker 3: litanity who just never quite made it through that. Who
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  Speaker 3: could have because it's such a difficult transition to be following.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot a lot of guys. And I think
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  Speaker 1: there's always that there's there's a certain turning point where
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  Speaker 1: you you know, there's comes a decision that you have
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  Speaker 1: to make, you know, especially if things haven't been going
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  Speaker 1: the way you've been wanting them to go. There's a
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  Speaker 1: decision you have to make to really go somewhere that
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  Speaker 1: you probably never been and do a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: that you've probably never done in order to fully get.
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  Speaker 2: What you want, especial physical maybe all that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, every aspect of the game, every aspect of life, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know there's guys that have made that
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  Speaker 1: decision and it you know, it's it's worked themselves out.
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  Speaker 1: And there's some guys that you know that they can't
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  Speaker 1: catch a break his injuries or things off the field
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  Speaker 1: or family stuff. So you know, it's I've been blessed.
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  Speaker 1: I've been blessed. Guy has you know, God's will for
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  Speaker 1: me is being undone. And you know, I don't second
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  Speaker 1: guess at all. I used to want to do things
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  Speaker 1: my own way and want things that you know happened
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  Speaker 1: on my time. But you know, my faith has definitely
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  Speaker 1: put me through a lot too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Cam, sitting in here a few weeks ago, Cam
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  Speaker 3: Robinson said, you know, his first three or four years,
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  Speaker 3: he listened to everything and didn't really want to said
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't, but he done. And he said when he
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  Speaker 3: finally really started living not caring what people were saying,
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  Speaker 3: he said, that's the time he looks back and feels
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  Speaker 3: like he was a veteran all of a sudden. And
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  Speaker 3: it's I'm sure you kind of went through the same thing,
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  Speaker 3: and you know at some point you just got to
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  Speaker 3: shut things out, like you said, do things your way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's that's like I said earlier.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's everybody has an opinion that everybody can
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  Speaker 1: be seen and heard, you know, and uh, yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot there's a lot of hate out there. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of negativity out in the world, and
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  Speaker 1: especially on you know, the pedestal we are we're on
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  Speaker 1: as athletes. You know, it can get bad sometimes and
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  Speaker 1: and you know, you can take it the wrong way
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  Speaker 1: or you can kind of turn it into fuel and
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  Speaker 1: turn it into a dark side that drives that drives
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  Speaker 1: your motivation and determination and maturity. And there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things that you can just learn from and diversity
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  Speaker 1: in general life and especially in this league.
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  Speaker 3: Now going through some team university last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 3: it struck me that in not talking to you after
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  Speaker 3: the game. Everybody cares, but the losing, the struggling, it
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  Speaker 3: bothers you. But you sort of know how to channel it.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm probably not asking that in a great way,
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  Speaker 3: but if you know what I'm getting that, do you
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  Speaker 3: know how to channel that better? And I guess do
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  Speaker 3: you feel the responsibility to be a leader during these times?
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  Speaker 1: For sure? You know, I definitely look at adversity, you know,
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  Speaker 1: based off personal experienced in my career, you know, tied
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  Speaker 1: in with the potential that's on this team. I always
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  Speaker 1: see adversity as an opportunity and adversity as a lesson
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  Speaker 1: ready to be learned and grown from. So you know
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  Speaker 1: the situation we're in now, we're eight and five, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people in this league, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: teams in this league. You told them you're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: eight and five in the middle of December, they're probably
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  Speaker 1: happy with it. You know, we're sitting here, We're sitting
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  Speaker 1: here pissed off. So I think that you know, just
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  Speaker 1: that alone, it shows that you know where we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to go as a team and as a franchise and
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  Speaker 1: as a culture. And I think I think that there
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  Speaker 1: there's a lesson in this. Yeah, there's a lesson in this,
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  Speaker 1: and there's something for us to gain that was going
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  Speaker 1: to make us ten times better for the next ten years,
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  Speaker 1: got you or however long? You know, this core and
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  Speaker 1: this team, this culture is standing here. So we look
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  Speaker 1: at it as opportunity. We look at it as an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to look ourselves in the mirror individually as a team,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, our backs are against the wall. It's
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  Speaker 1: time to fight our way out of it, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: go truly get what we really want. But you also
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  Speaker 1: use this situation as as an opportunity to learn a
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  Speaker 1: lesson and get better.
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  Speaker 3: Is there also an element of Look, it's great to
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  Speaker 3: talk about being good for a while, but there's also
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  Speaker 3: an opportunity now that you want to take advantage of.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not just assume we're always going to be good.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you've got to win win the opportunities there, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know that it always comes back to
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  Speaker 1: be where your feet are, Like where are you right now?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you in your preparation today? You know you're
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  Speaker 1: doing the little things right. You locked in on your
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  Speaker 1: role and you're getting you know, the things you're asked
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  Speaker 1: to do within the game plan on whatever side of
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  Speaker 1: the ball you play on, and so yeah, it's all
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  Speaker 1: about what's in the moment right now. Right now, we're
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  Speaker 1: in preparation to go beat the Ravens, And what better
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  Speaker 1: opportunity than to beat the number one team in the
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  Speaker 1: league right now, or you know, top three teams in
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  Speaker 1: the league right now, number one in the AFC. With
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  Speaker 1: everything that we've been going through, what a great opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to go respond this week.
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  Speaker 2: You're more ready to be a leader now than you've
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  Speaker 2: been in your career.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, yeah, for sure, it's it's just cool,
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  Speaker 1: uh because it is. It is hard to do that.
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  Speaker 1: There is like you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, it's a process.
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  Speaker 1: It's a process to learn because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: you know, by example, you know, you challenge people and
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  Speaker 1: you want to bring people along like you have to.
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  Speaker 1: Your level has to go up and the level too.
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  Speaker 1: So I definitely I can listen to if you're not playing,
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  Speaker 1: for sure, you know, I definitely uh don't take it
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  Speaker 1: for granted. And uh, my biggest thing is allowed to
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  Speaker 1: be just as genuine as possible and as real as possible,
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  Speaker 1: and out of love for my teammates, and I the
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  Speaker 1: love for the guys that we go to war with.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my biggest fear is becoming, you know, being average,
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  Speaker 1: just being some you know, just another guy. And if
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  Speaker 1: I can if that drives me to do everything that
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  Speaker 1: I need to do every single day, why can't it
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  Speaker 1: also drive my team to help, you know, help them
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  Speaker 1: and help us not be average. And that's to become
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  Speaker 1: great and elite and a consistently elite team.
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  Speaker 3: People talk about that contract year you were in one
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  Speaker 3: last year, always that fear, Hey, signs of contract doesn't
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  Speaker 3: come back the same. How how satisfying is it to
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  Speaker 3: I guess maybe having your best year and continuing to
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  Speaker 3: ascend that for this people around you didn't doubt that,
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  Speaker 3: but you also got to prove.
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  Speaker 1: That, right, Yeah. I mean, I'm just trying to get
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  Speaker 1: better every day. There's a I have a craft that
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  Speaker 1: that I want to master, and there's so many little
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  Speaker 1: things within that that I can still be better at.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm still learning. I'm still discovering new ways to
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  Speaker 1: be better and you know, new ways to you know,
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  Speaker 1: get open, and new ways to lead. And it's just
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  Speaker 1: every I just it's just a craft that I have
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  Speaker 1: you know, a finite amount of time to maximize and and.
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  Speaker 2: J You're always thinking about that, aren't you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that I just don't take it for granted. It's
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm terrified of the day I walk off the
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  Speaker 1: field for the last time. And uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to look back and wish you know, I
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  Speaker 1: left something on the table. So as far as you know,
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  Speaker 1: signed the deal, Uh, that just that brought me so much,
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  Speaker 1: you know, comfort insecurity, and you know I've just I
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  Speaker 1: haven't had.
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  Speaker 2: That started worrying all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've just been really at peace within my
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  Speaker 1: work and just been able to re be as relentless
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  Speaker 1: as possible with you know, being the best player I
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  Speaker 1: can be and ultimately helping my team.
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  Speaker 3: I probably asked you about this when you're on last year,
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  Speaker 3: but it's an interesting storyline with you that I think
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  Speaker 3: maybe defines.
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  Speaker 2: Your career here.
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  Speaker 3: So far, a lot of guys sign as free agents
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  Speaker 3: and they sort of never fit there. This has become
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  Speaker 3: sort of your second act, and I think I think
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  Speaker 3: I can say this where you feel your NFL home
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  Speaker 3: is how I guess you have an appreciation for how
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't always happen. And I think you really do
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  Speaker 3: embrace that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like I said earlier, God's will is
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  Speaker 1: being done in my life. And I've sometimes that's scary
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  Speaker 1: to ask of him, sure, because like you just don't
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  Speaker 1: know what that entails. And it could be amazing, it
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  Speaker 1: can be even more adversity and more hardships. It's whatever
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  Speaker 1: he has planned. And man, he's just He's put me
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  Speaker 1: right where he's wanted me and right where I'm supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be. And obviously, you know, having success here as
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  Speaker 1: a player is a blessing in itself, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's great to see fruits of my labor to come
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  Speaker 1: to life. But this is a home because of just
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  Speaker 1: the people here, the people I come to work with
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  Speaker 1: every single day, Coaches, training staff, teammates, cafeteria people, the fans.
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  Speaker 1: I have so much, you know, I get so much
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  Speaker 1: love from the fans and just the vibe here in
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville in general.
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  Speaker 3: And on the day you signed that one year prove
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  Speaker 3: it deal, you don't know that's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even know. There was so much. There
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  Speaker 1: were so many questions I had when I signed. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: there was so much. Just I knew where I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be. It was just a lot of uncertain and
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen and how is it going to be?
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  Speaker 3: And uh and it was predominantly because it dug right,
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  Speaker 3: just that for sure, the ability to sort of prove yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, free agency that day was a whirlwind. They came
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  Speaker 1: down to a couple of teams and and one of
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  Speaker 1: the coaches was a coach I was on the opposite
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  Speaker 1: sideline against. And when it was in Philly and it
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  Speaker 1: was it became kind of a you know, let's I
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  Speaker 1: have a good feeling about this. I really trust in that.
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  Speaker 1: So so yeah, it's uh, it's definitely uh my home
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  Speaker 1: and I hope I hope they keep me here.
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  Speaker 2: Until what's it?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this is close, but you're probably
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  Speaker 3: the point of your career where it's okay to think
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 2: What's after football? Any idea yet? Or are you just
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  Speaker 2: gonna wait?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm definitely gonna wait and see I get married
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  Speaker 1: in April.
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  Speaker 2: You know, marriage comes, that's all you should think about
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: That yeah, so that I'm excited about that. And then
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  Speaker 1: you know, babies are already being talked about, so that's
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of time. I definitely feel like I
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of time left in this league as well. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, I love learning the game. I'm learning so
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  Speaker 1: much about the game and definitely just as offensicized, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: designing plays, attacking defenses, you know, being on the field
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  Speaker 1: just kind of gives me that extra step and in
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  Speaker 1: as far as you know, game planning and prepping and uh,
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  Speaker 1: I love I love youth football, have a natural just
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  Speaker 1: love of you know, coaching young player. I work out
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  Speaker 1: of the gym in the off season. I do my
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  Speaker 1: work and but there's a lot of top high school
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  Speaker 1: kids that come through and work and they have so
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  Speaker 1: many questions and it's just a natural thing for me.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: If definitely stay in the game somewhat for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I'll have to find that edge somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: I know I found golf this past offseason. I'll be
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  Speaker 1: golfing for the rest of my life for sure.
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  Speaker 2: As far as does Christian help or hurt you, he's competitive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he hurts me. I haven't gotten close.
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  Speaker 2: To compete, but he's really good now Christian School.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's got a nice nice game. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think it's somehow I'll have to stay
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  Speaker 1: around the game somehow. I don't think I can go
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  Speaker 1: cold turkey and and just walk away from it. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I got I got some good high school
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  Speaker 1: coaches back home that still keep up with me and
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  Speaker 1: watch me and support me. And I got to see
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  Speaker 1: them during the ball week. So planning some seeds there.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you know, one day in my future I'm a
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  Speaker 1: high school coach somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: What would and I didn't know you as a rookie,
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  Speaker 3: what would this version of Evan tell the rookie?
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  Speaker 2: Mm hm, awesome question once in a while.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would, uh, you know, I would really I
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  Speaker 1: will go into as great detail about, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: sacrifice everywhere in your life that comes with becoming a
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  Speaker 1: great football player at the highest level. Talent, Yeah, talents
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  Speaker 1: is not enough in this league. And it took me
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  Speaker 1: forever to realize just how many you know, things in
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  Speaker 1: my life, in your life have to be in the
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  Speaker 1: right order. They have to understand what you do and
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  Speaker 1: just fully get the full immersion into your craft. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's.
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  Speaker 2: Where a lot daily focused, daily plan everything.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of you know, especially
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  Speaker 1: me and my career in New York. There is a
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle and then there's your job. I was trying to
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  Speaker 1: do both. Sure, I was, you know, trying to be
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  Speaker 1: the NFL football player and live life in New York City,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just that's not sustainable. So but it all
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  Speaker 1: comes down to sacrifice actually, and you know, priorities and
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  Speaker 1: aligning every aligning the star is off the field and
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  Speaker 1: in your life, so you can fully immerse yourself in
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  Speaker 1: your craft. And once you do that, you just start
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  Speaker 1: learning and and learning parts about your game and learning
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  Speaker 1: parts about the about the league in general, and how
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  Speaker 1: the game is played, and you just start to discover
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  Speaker 1: so much more about yourself. So that'd be the conversation
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  Speaker 1: I have with myself, just fully understanding, you know, what
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: it takes to be great.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: And you probably talk to yourself every day about it.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Because yeah, it's a daily process. Like I said, I'm
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: still learning.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Gotcha life.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Thing we do is the ozone five five quick fine questions.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: What's your last binge watch?
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Last binge watch? Blue Eye Samurai A Jones put me on. Okay,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: it's an animated series. One of the best shows I've.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Watched Okay, gotcha uh song on the Way in this morning.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Song on the way in Maverick City, everything is yours.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: So uh, best NFL player You've ever played against?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Best NFL player I've played against my rookie year I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: played went to Denver and played von Miller.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Goy who just untouched with Superman. Especially then seven years ago.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: It's it's like it's a tight end chip like I'm
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: just chipping the end touching here's here's crazy.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: And then you've told me before U best tight end
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: for the tight end you watch you love Kelsey right.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Like Travis is obviously his numbers are nuts. What he
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: does on film is just uh.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: It's just the feel, right you said it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Just he's like playing a different game from everybody else.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: He's really innovative, and you know, he's he looks he
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: presents himself as a big you know, goofball's great personality,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: but he's a genius on the field.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And I was going to ask you this is a
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: little off topic, but it fascinates me. It didn't count,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: but the awareness to make the latter all the other day,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: that's like.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: That's like that's just like a that for me is
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: like in the box somewhere that I would never do.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I've never it's never cost my mind.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: What would Doug say if you came off and you've
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: thrown a latter across the field?
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I mean if honestly, it just depends on the result.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: If it wins the game, I definitely will probably get
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: maybe in trouble, but the game is long. But if
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: it's if it costs the.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Game, yeah, that's just it's nuts, you know, it's.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, he plays, he plays a high risk for
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: a high reward.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Sure, if it counted that.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Part, that would have been one of the best players
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: in it. It's still I mean, it's you.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Can't even believe you think about it, right, I mean
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that's just.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Your uh, I guess favorite NFL memories you've been involved with,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: the biggest play, most memorable play.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, the feeling after that playoff game last.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Year was Chargers.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, got you. That's the that's the Obviously I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: haven't obviously won a Super Bowl. Sure, that was definitely
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: a high point in my career as far as just
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a moment and just that that feeling and you know,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: having a big part in the game and playing well
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and helping that that comeback was incredible. Gotcha. I can't
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: even think of anything else than.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: The final question.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I've been asking guys and having some fun with it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: What was five or six year old evans favorite movie?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Lion King Boys? And then when when the Spider Man
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: started coming out? Yeah, I I can probably still watch
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the Lion King to day, and I've watched him. I've
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: seen every Spider Man like dirty and.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: You can quote every Lion King scene.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Probably probably Yeah. And how old are you twenty? Yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: so my son's twenty seven. He was a Lion King
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: junkie as well.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It was the go to.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: If I was running around doing crazy, she put on
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Lion King.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I would hear it from it's the side of the house.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, watching me.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me and mommy are kindred spears in that sense.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: That was my go to.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And then he loved Jungle Books.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: So Evan, I can't thank you enough. I know it's
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: a busy week, a tough week. Thank you for joining
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: the ozone podcast
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: No problem, I appreciate you.