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#2183 Putting Down the Kool Aid - Dr Jeff Gross · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's Harps, It's the dock, John,
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  Speaker 1: Tiffany and cook who. Last night we did a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: She was getting very angry through the course of the
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  Speaker 1: podcast because keeping her away from food. It's not a
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  Speaker 1: good idea. Did you recover from that? Did your man
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  Speaker 1: cook you something? Are you okay?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Have you been pacified? Have you been fed this morning?
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  Speaker 1: For God's sake, let me know all.
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  Speaker 3: Has been redeemed?
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  Speaker 1: How quickly do you go from feeling pretty good to
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  Speaker 1: like you want to punch someone in the face if
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  Speaker 1: you don't get a potato soon.
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  Speaker 3: In a moment, in a heartbeat. When I used to
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  Speaker 3: work in hospitality, and you would audio your audio lunch
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  Speaker 3: and then your break would come. But if the lunch
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  Speaker 3: would come out and the customer walked in, I can't
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  Speaker 3: tell your self control for the rage that I would feel.
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  Speaker 3: It was like, do you not know my food is
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  Speaker 3: right there?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: It was terrible?
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever steal a chip off someone's plate? But honestly, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: No, I did not know. You're sure you did.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever put your finger in someone's dinner and
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  Speaker 1: swizzle it round.
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  Speaker 2: Because they made you mad?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: I did not ever, he is sure.
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  Speaker 3: Because I don't want that can of coming back at me. M.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure Doctor Jeff has never done anything like
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  Speaker 1: that because he's you know, he's just pure as the
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  Speaker 1: driven Snow, what were some of the ship jobs that
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  Speaker 1: you had before? You've got these somewhat better than average
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  Speaker 1: job you have now when you were a kid or
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  Speaker 1: when you were studying.
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  Speaker 4: This was the ship job. You know, the intern, the resident,
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  Speaker 4: you know, going to the hospital, the horrible smells, you know,
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  Speaker 4: of all kinds of bodily fluids and parts and writing
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  Speaker 4: that we had to deal with. That, that's the ship job. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you gotting. Yeah, well, your body parts tend to can
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  Speaker 4: become deciduous, they can fall off. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I hope you're enjoying your dinner. Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to the project. Don't think of rotting limbs or deciduous
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  Speaker 1: bits of bodies falling off. Just that's been doctor Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: It's been great. We'll see you next time. At what
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  Speaker 1: age or stage did you know that you wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do medicine and what was the why behind that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's a multiple event thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: As a kid, I was always interested in it and
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  Speaker 4: then surely in high school I would always enjoy the
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  Speaker 4: biology classes, and and you know I was ordering these
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  Speaker 4: catalogs of surgical instruments to see what kind of cool
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  Speaker 4: micro instruments were being I know, I know you made
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  Speaker 4: a face there because I just heard that.
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  Speaker 2: How old were you? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I was sixteen seventeen maybe, And then and
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  Speaker 4: then of cours, I pursued a you know, biochemistry molecular
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  Speaker 4: biology degree in college, knowing I was going to go
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  Speaker 4: into med school. So there was just a lot of
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  Speaker 4: happening along the way. It was. It was it was
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  Speaker 4: ordained early somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, imagine sixteen year old Jeff Tiff and his mum's
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  Speaker 1: bringing in you know the post, Oh Jeff, your box
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  Speaker 1: of scalpels are here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't do anything dangerous, But did you know when
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  Speaker 1: you were like when I was a kid, I had
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  Speaker 1: really no idea. I don't think I really even grasped work.
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  Speaker 1: I was probably very immature. But did you think from
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  Speaker 1: ten I want to be a doctor?
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  Speaker 4: I probably did, probably had that as like the number
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  Speaker 4: one on the list at that time. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't have Fireman or you know, something cool like that.
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  Speaker 4: But no, I was set it this way. It was,
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  Speaker 4: it was happening.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say Tiff had fireman on Aly,
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  Speaker 1: but for a different reason, not so much a career thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just another notch in the Tiff belt. Stop it.
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  Speaker 1: Where where did you go to? Where did you do
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  Speaker 1: your undergrad degree?
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  Speaker 4: There's a little place here called Berkeley.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that tiny little establishment. Yeah that's so.
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  Speaker 4: I was happily, you know, lucky to go there. I
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  Speaker 4: narrowed it down to two places and that was the winner.
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  Speaker 4: So sorry, Mit, turned you down?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mit, yeah, I suck it up. Princesses, when did you?
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  Speaker 1: When did you? Like? We'll jump around a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: This is a getting to know you episode in case
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  Speaker 1: I haven't figured out where I realized last night. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking to a regular who's been on three years every
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  Speaker 1: second week, David Gillespie, who's a well renowned researcher, author,
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  Speaker 1: like great thinker in Australia. He's also a lawyer. But
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  Speaker 1: he's written some astonishing books and we've never spoken about him, Like,
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  Speaker 1: in three years, we knew next to nothing about him.
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  Speaker 1: So not that we want the great reveal, But when
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  Speaker 1: you were doing med and you were going through the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the at college stuff and in hospital placements
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  Speaker 1: and all of that. Did you think this was a
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  Speaker 1: good fit for you? Did you always have a surgical
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  Speaker 1: kind of intention, so that was your underlying drive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: In medical school, it's clear that there's a divide. There
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  Speaker 4: are two types of doctors. There are those who think,
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  Speaker 4: and those tend to be the internal medicine doctors and
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  Speaker 4: and you know those specialties, and then they're the ones
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  Speaker 4: who do, and those tend to be the surgeons. So
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  Speaker 4: we self segregate early, you know, and I knew the
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  Speaker 4: first medical school that I wanted to go into. We
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  Speaker 4: actually fill out a survey on the first day and
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  Speaker 4: last day and mind didn't change at all.
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  Speaker 1: So how old were you when when you were a surgeon?
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  Speaker 1: Like when you're on you know, like you've done everything
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  Speaker 1: in other words, I want to know because a friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine's a neurosurgeon and he studied from when he
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  Speaker 1: was five till thirty eight, and he was one of
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  Speaker 1: the youngest neurosurgeons and like he basically was at school
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  Speaker 1: for thirty three years before he was what he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be.
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  Speaker 4: What about for you, Yeah, that's about right. I think
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  Speaker 4: I was thirty four when I had my first real job,
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  Speaker 4: meaning I was done with my residency and on my
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  Speaker 4: own in practice. That I was about about thirty four.
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  Speaker 1: And what are the pros and cons or what for you?
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  Speaker 1: What did you love and what what because obviously you
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  Speaker 1: stepped away from that at some stage. But what did
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  Speaker 1: you like and what did you struggle with or not
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  Speaker 1: enjoy so much as a surgeon?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I absolutely love you know the result, right, helping
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  Speaker 4: someone suffering from pain and then not having pain.
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  Speaker 2: But the.
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  Speaker 4: Institutionalization of medicine in the United States is the worst part, right,
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  Speaker 4: this sick care, health insurance, scripted nonsense, watered down ration
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  Speaker 4: by hassle attitude. I just pulled away from.
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  Speaker 1: What was the longest surgery you did where you were
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  Speaker 1: captain of the ship for all of those hours.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I've had twelve hour surgeries when I was a resident.
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  Speaker 4: I took part in one that was probably thirty six hours.
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  Speaker 4: We took turns, so I wasn't captain of that ship.
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  Speaker 4: But those are very very difficult brain surgeries deep in
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  Speaker 4: the brain. But you know I've done twelve hour you know,
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  Speaker 4: massive spine surgeries, multi level, difficult decompression. Maybe dealing with
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  Speaker 4: the prior surgery. So when you go in there, the
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  Speaker 4: anatomy and the landmarks are gone, right, it looks like
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  Speaker 4: a war zone. So you've got to figure out where
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  Speaker 4: you are, which that's like city.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you like? You're doing twelve hours of surgery,
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  Speaker 1: which to me would be like doing the hardest exam
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  Speaker 1: I've ever done in my life for twelve hours and
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  Speaker 1: being completely or needing to be completely focused and undistracted
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  Speaker 1: and physically and mentally and emotionally on for twelve That
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  Speaker 1: seems humanly impossible. How do you stay close to where
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  Speaker 1: you need to be the whole time? Like you yourself, not
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  Speaker 1: as a just as a functioning person trying to do
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  Speaker 1: that thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's like running a marathon. Yeah, it's like running America,
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  Speaker 4: I think maybe, But it's running a marathon. There's a
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  Speaker 4: finish line. You got to get there. You drill down
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  Speaker 4: and get the job done. It's part of the mindset.
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  Speaker 4: Or you're climbing, you're climbing a mountain and that you
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  Speaker 4: know you've got to reach the top. There's failure is
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  Speaker 4: not an option. You've got someone to open in front
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  Speaker 4: of you. Got to finish the job.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So this is probably an obvious, stupid question,
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  Speaker 1: but so no breaks.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have a three minute break.
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  Speaker 4: No, you can, you know, if you needed to take
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  Speaker 4: five minutes and go to the restroom and you know,
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  Speaker 4: have a cup of coffee or something, you can scrub
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  Speaker 4: out for five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, you know. Yeah, And when.
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  Speaker 1: Were you introduced to the idea of integrative and or
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  Speaker 1: regenerative medicine, Like when did that come into your consciousness
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  Speaker 1: that that was a thing.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there are little pieces of that that I was
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  Speaker 4: witnessing along the way, even if I wasn't yet embodying
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  Speaker 4: that in my own practice. You know, you've heard about
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  Speaker 4: athletes that would leave the US go to Europe or
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  Speaker 4: Asia and get stem cell treatments or you know, in
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  Speaker 4: publicly known athletes. Yes, so we knew it was something
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  Speaker 4: out there. I had a couple of patients actually left
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  Speaker 4: the country and came back having had some of these treatments.
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  Speaker 4: So my my quizzical eye was open and let me
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  Speaker 4: learn more. How did it go? You know, tell me more,
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  Speaker 4: so I would I would follow this and my patients
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  Speaker 4: get the credit. They were the ones who would say, yeah, doc,
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't want surgery, how about how about
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  Speaker 4: some stem cells? Doc? What you got there? You know?
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  Speaker 4: So I I finally put down the kool aid and
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  Speaker 4: went and retrained about eight years ago, and the rest
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  Speaker 4: is history. It's all I do.
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  Speaker 1: Now putting down the cool I thank you for that.
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  Speaker 1: That's the toddle of the show. You're welcome. So what
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  Speaker 1: was the cool I that you had to put down?
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  Speaker 2: I love that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, like, what did you need to let go of
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  Speaker 1: that most people hold onto?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the.
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  Speaker 4: You get trained, So I was trained. My residency was
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  Speaker 4: in the nineteen nineties, and you get trained by professors
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  Speaker 4: who were trained in the nineteen seventies, and they were
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  Speaker 4: trained by people doctors in nineteen fifties, and not a
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  Speaker 4: lot had actually changed. Yes, we could do a surgery
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  Speaker 4: maybe through a smaller incision with a microscope, but it's
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  Speaker 4: the same surgery. Yes, we might put in more metal
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  Speaker 4: widgets now, but it's the same fusion as a fusion
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  Speaker 4: of the spine. So nothing had changed, really, And I
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  Speaker 4: looked back and said, you know, what we're doing is
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  Speaker 4: still in a way barbaric. Wow. So there's got to
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  Speaker 4: be something before we get to that step. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there'll be a role for it, But there's got to
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  Speaker 4: be something we try that. You know, the world of
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  Speaker 4: biochemistry and biology offers us all kinds of things. We
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  Speaker 4: can influence tissues and cells, which is all I do now.
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  Speaker 4: So it just that kool aid. Just because you were
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  Speaker 4: trained a certain way doesn't mean it's still the best
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  Speaker 4: and only way to do it. And that the insurance
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  Speaker 4: companies and the payers drive that. They there's the self
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  Speaker 4: fulfilling economic that they we're called the medical industrial complex.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's.
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  Speaker 4: The doctors are just a cog in it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And it's it's an absolutely ridiculous tail chasing scenario.
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  Speaker 2: And when you're in.
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  Speaker 1: That that medical echo chamber or that, you know that
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  Speaker 1: paradigm of this is how it works. Don't ask any questions,
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  Speaker 1: don't stick your head upright, how do you how do
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  Speaker 1: you extricate yourself from that? Over time? Who do you
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  Speaker 1: connect with? How do you not join another cult? But
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  Speaker 1: like to me, it's very culty in some ways, it's
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  Speaker 1: like nowhere right, you're wrong. Fuck off if you don't.
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  Speaker 1: This is the way back surgery works, or this is
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  Speaker 1: the way that weight lost, Like in my space, not
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  Speaker 1: so much anymore, but you know, this is the way,
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  Speaker 1: you know, getting big works, building muscle, hypertrophy, building power, strength, speed, agility,
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  Speaker 1: this is the way.
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  Speaker 2: This is the only way.
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  Speaker 1: And even in that space, over the years of physical conditioning,
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  Speaker 1: there's been a massive evolution. How do you then connect
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  Speaker 1: with other people who don't live in that echo chamber
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  Speaker 1: and start to think outside of the box that you
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  Speaker 1: were programmed in.
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  Speaker 2: Well found.
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  Speaker 4: I found the first stem cell conference I went to.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it was a small group, and I just
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  Speaker 4: found like minded people. And then I started going to
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  Speaker 4: events that they oh, you should look at this event,
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  Speaker 4: at that event, and then after a couple of those,
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  Speaker 4: you go home and say, wow, I found my people.
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  Speaker 4: I like minded people trying to help trying to help
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  Speaker 4: others by doing, you know, much less than what we've
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  Speaker 4: been doing for the last fifty or seventy years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So that's you just you have to seek it, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, it happens, and it's like, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: you find what the energy you seek. You know, the
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  Speaker 4: universe gives you what you're open to. So I was
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  Speaker 4: open to it. I was very open to it.
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  Speaker 1: How old were you at this stage, give or take.
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  Speaker 4: I was probably fifty one, wow, wow you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's great because I think about
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  Speaker 1: most people who've been in a certain space, doing a
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  Speaker 1: certain job, you know, somewhat repeatedly in the same.
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  Speaker 2: Way or very similar ways.
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  Speaker 1: So you've kind of been trained and programmed in this
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  Speaker 1: model to be able to say, at fifty one, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: the way I've been doing it is one not the
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  Speaker 1: only way. Perhaps it's not even the best way sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: And perhaps I'm not saying this for you, but for me,
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  Speaker 1: Like I had to get to a point where I went, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a heap of things wrong. I thought I
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  Speaker 1: was right, but I've got things or I had assumptions
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  Speaker 1: leafs that were very limited, whereas I thought I was
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  Speaker 1: really if you asked me, oh you open minded? You oh, faki,
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  Speaker 1: I'm super open minded as long as you agree with me,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it was I had to open open that
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  Speaker 4: mind and put down the kool aid and say I'd
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  Speaker 4: like to go look at this. And that opened the
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  Speaker 4: door more, opened the door more, and then I stepped
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  Speaker 4: one foot out, and then so this is fantastic, why
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  Speaker 4: don't we do this? And then I jumped with two
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  Speaker 4: feet closed the door and said see.
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  Speaker 1: You, Yeah, what timeframe was that where you kind of
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  Speaker 1: went to that conference and then went, yeah, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to step out of where I've been.
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  Speaker 4: It probably took two to three years to fully let
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  Speaker 4: it happen. And this was all on the heels of
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  Speaker 4: you know, COVID or you know, just going into COVID,
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  Speaker 4: so that that sort of sealed the deal, you know,
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  Speaker 4: because of all the nonsense on the medical side COVID.
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  Speaker 4: If that isn't a an advertisement for your doctors may
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  Speaker 4: be wrong, then I don't know what is.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, what did you make of all of that?
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  Speaker 1: In Australia was probably the worst in the world, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe even Victoria, the state that Tiff and I live in,
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  Speaker 1: the worst in that. Like it was literally crazy. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you walked outside your house down the street, you
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  Speaker 1: had to wear a mask. If you were the only
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  Speaker 1: person on the street, It's like, dude, there's no one
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  Speaker 1: within a kilometer.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, you've got it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was nuts here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had we were only allowed to leave the
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  Speaker 1: house for an hour. Is that right, Tiff?
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  Speaker 2: Or is it just an hour?
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  Speaker 1: And that was for months and months and months, like
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  Speaker 1: maybe eight months. All the gyms were closed in Australia
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  Speaker 1: for it could be wrong, but I think it was
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  Speaker 1: eight months. You could not go to a gym.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah we have. We had that kind of closure here.
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  Speaker 4: You could be out of your house, but they didn't
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  Speaker 4: want people congregating. And you know the whole thing there
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  Speaker 4: was so much misinformation and disinformation. Then you got whackos
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  Speaker 4: who blow things out of proportion and people behave crazy
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  Speaker 4: so uh and we still see people wearing masks around
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  Speaker 4: super weirdos, you know. Uh, I don't know why they
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  Speaker 4: do that, but uh, you know, I have have this
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  Speaker 4: idea maybe they don't feel well and they're they're being
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  Speaker 4: kind of the rest of us. I highly doubt it,
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  Speaker 4: but that would be the only legitimate reason. Yeah, what
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  Speaker 4: do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're not a psychologist, but you
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  Speaker 1: kind of are because you're talking to people and trying
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  Speaker 1: to understand people and their needs every day. You definitely
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: understand human behavior. What the what's your take on? Not
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: the medical take, but just the whole kind of cultural
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  Speaker 1: response where it was there's a paper in Melbourne called
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: The Sun or yeah, the Sun, it was the Herald Sun.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just called the Sun now. I don't
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  Speaker 1: read it. But anyway, on the front of that in
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, it predicted, or it was reporting that there
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  Speaker 1: were predicted to be in a country of then I
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  Speaker 1: think twenty seven million, potentially one hundred and fifty thousand
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  Speaker 1: deaths from COVID. That was the forecast, right, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why the fuck they would put that on
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: in front of a newspaper and it ended up being
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I think less than two thousand, or about two or
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: two and a half TIF Could you check that for me,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: because someone will send me an email. How many Australians
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: died because or allegedly from COVID. What do you put
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: down that hysteria too? Was it the media, was it
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the government response? Was it something else?
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah? All of it. I think it's all those elements.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: People's response, government's response, the media is usually an amplified
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: version of the people's response. So I think all those things,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the lack of knowledge and the lack of facts were
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: causing this stir. Even though the authorities spoke with the
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: confidence that these were accurate facts and accurate knowledge, it
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: turns out they were probably exactly wrong. And most of
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: the and most of those items it was a novel virus.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: It did cause a horrible flu and in people that
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: were susceptible, you know, the elderly and the people with
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: immune problems, it had the chance of being fatal, and
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: there were a lot of fatalities in the US. And
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: you know, then there's this nonsense where they if you
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: go into a hospital for any reason, they and you die,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: they put down COVID so they can get money. Yes,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: because there was this emergency funding. Like, the whole thing
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: is nonsense. So our numbers are probably highly overinflated.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, did they not get something like eighty grand per
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: person who died from COVID in the hospital something like that.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the number was. But the way
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: hospitals work here is they work on what's called a
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: DRG or a diagnostic related group. If you go in
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: with a certain diagnosis and they treat you for that,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: the government only gives the hospital a fixed amount of money.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: So the hospital's job is to get you out as
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: soon as possible because they get that same money. Where
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: you're there three days or thirty, Wow, everyone gets out
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: of the hospital. But they couldn't kick them out under COVID,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: so they just it was easier just to pile up
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: the bodies, right, So that's that was probably the overcrowding
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: and hostiles probably didn't help. And the one thing you
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: could do to really increase your chance of dying was
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: go to a hospital.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: That's terrifying.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: TIF Do you have a.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Number, Yeah, I'll give them to you by a year,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty nine hundred and six, in twenty twenty one,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: thirteen hundred, in twenty twenty two, ten thousand, three hundred.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like that would be an inflation, I feel
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: and then twenty twenty three back down to four and
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: a half thousand and twenty twenty four, one hundred and
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: eighty nine.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Well interesting, So now, and now what they're not including
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: is all the the secondary ramification diseases, the turbo cancers,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: the increase in autoimmune problems, the inflammatory problems we're seeing now,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: the the you know pots disease and not pots disease,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: but pots pots diseases, tuberculosis to the spot pots and
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: a few other things. So they're not including you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: those numbers, of course, but we're seeing issues that stem
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: from either the disease and or the treatment, and not
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: the treatment, the prevention, the attempted prevention.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, would you?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's just an opinion everyone, that's not a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: it's not a fact, it's not a scientific bit of research.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: But just as from the outside looking in, do you
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: think that the vaccine did why more harm than.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: It did good?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Do you think it created why more problems than it solved?
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: The good question? It probably reduced the spread and reduced
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: the number of acute illnesses, right, but at the expense
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: of increasing the risk and epidemiologic occurrence of other problems.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: So I don't know that we have the full scorecard
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: on that yet. And I you know, people that haven't
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: had the vaccine, like me, Yes, we were. We are
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: like a fine wine. We're highly treasured.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: What were the consequences for you, you non believers who
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: went now I'm not having the vaccine?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Did you?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Was there some penalty for you, some restrictions placed on
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you to go to a restaurant yet to show a
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: card to prove that you'd had the vaccine?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Anyone with Adobe Photoshop and a printer could produce a card.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, so no restrictions whatsoever.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, listen, the restaurants were closed. There was
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: nowhere to go, so, you know, and I probably just
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: avoided those things.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: You know, the oddity is here. I had the illness
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: before the shutdown. I had a very early course of it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: There was no test for it, but it was massive
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: flu that I haven't had in twenty five years, and
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: looking back, I just got it early, so I had
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: my own immunity from it.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, wasn't that funny that like, once you have it,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: you've got immunity. But even once you've had it, they
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: still want you to have the jeb you go made
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the job because I've had it, I've had that, I've
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: had the ILLNUS.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, there's there's a there's a large there's
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: a theory out there that that they now have us all.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: We now have a genetic serial number. So the the
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: lots of the vaccine, the lot numbers, you know, each
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: lot had a certain number of bottles.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: All have genetic variations. So you cross that social security
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: number of someone with the bottle and you can easily,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: you know, figure out a way to who they are
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: based on their you know, vaccine. So you know, one
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: wonders if there isn't some nefarious underpinning, you know, some
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Bill Gates, you know, Illuminati thing going on here behind.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: The terrifying me and my audience. I feel amazed in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: my tricks. So I just slipped into the my tricks.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's not it's it's it makes for
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: a good quasi fictional story. But it could it could be.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: It's not impossible. Yeah, you know, you think of how
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: you would go about it. This would be the way.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: And you know, you look at how they tracked the vaccinations.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: They took your Social Security number, which is you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the number that everyone gets assigned here in the US.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys have some things over there. And
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: then and then they recorded your lot number in an app.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: So there's this massive database, right, this digital database, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: that lot number they know the genetic variations in that
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: vaccine batch. So then you know, they can tell by
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: looking at your RNA, your micro RNA, your mRNA, what
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: you know, who you are probably.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that could just need a bit of we
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: just need a little bit of you to tell you
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: who you actually are. Hey, I wanted to I want
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to take a slight left turn. Did the when did
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the idea of anti aging enter the consciousness and the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: medical landscape or the integrative medicine landscape. How long has
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that been a thing, like, I know, maybe forever, but
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: in terms of the you know, all the construction we
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: have around it now, all the tools and resources and medicines,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: how long has it been around in any kind of
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: significant way anti aging?
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Well, willfully, probably about twenty five years or so. There's
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: a group here in the US US that has an
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: annual meeting. They have a couple of smaller in between meetings.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: It's called the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine that
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: was formed about twenty twenty five years ago, and it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: a huge deal. They have a meeting they have almost
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: ten thousand attendees every December early December in Las Vegas.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: So it's here in my hometown. So that's convenient, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: it's it is probably one of the earliest embodiments of
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: willfully you know, pursuing anti aging. You know, we've probably
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: been doing it accidentally. If you've been someone that eats
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: healthy and exercises properly and sleeps right and focuses on
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: those elements just like your grandmother taught you, you have
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: been doing anti aging medicine, but the advancements have really
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: come i'd say in the last quarter of a century.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: And in my own world, you know, I went into
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: this thinking, oh, I'll add a regeneritive medicine to help
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: people with spine problems. I'm a neurosurgical spine surgeon. But
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: it blossomed quickly into more than just that, and longevity
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: is an easy outward manifestation and ramification of doing that, Like,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: you can't practice in regenerate medicine and not be helping
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: people live longer and healthier, you know, getting what we
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: call health spam.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Can you tell me and Tip and everyone one
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: thing that is overrated as an antigen tool and one
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: thing that's underrided.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll start with the underrated, if that's okay. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: think that some very basic supplements like omega three vitamin
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: D are incredibly underrated. They have significant potential for cellular
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: health and longevity. There are incredible papers on the both
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: highly anti inflammatory which is kind of code for anti aging,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: and then overrated things would probably most other standard supplements
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: like a multiviemin or you know, most phyto nutrient supplements
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: that come from plants because they they are digested in
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: your gut and in your bloodstream before they ever even
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: see the inside of a cell where they need to get.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: So you get you get the expensive urine. There are
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: a couple solutions to that. But you know, if someone
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: hands you, you know, one of these res vertroal pills
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: or something, Hey, rosvertral is great. I mean you've got
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: to take a ton of it to get any type
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: of effect.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So people are taking they're taking the dose of whatever,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: but it's not being absorbed in the body. So they
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: are they're they're shoving in the whatever the the plant
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: based thing is, but it doesn't get used the way
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: that it should be.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Is that right, Yeah, they're any question.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not getting to the cells where it needs
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: to get. Inside the cells where it needs to get.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: That's where the that's where the party is. You can't
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: get into the party. So that's a big issue.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Tiff had that problem back in the day. Then she
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: started to get Jack. Then now she runs the show.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So people like there are quite a few famous antiags,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: but I don't you know, probably most of my audience
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: won't have heard of Brian Johnson.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: But I'm sure you have sure have you heard of
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: that dude?
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeahely is the dude who spending two million a year
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: allegedly on himself to wind back the clock. And again
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: this is just what I read. I don't know how
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: true this is, but is allegedly aging every year instead
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of aging, I e. He I just point seeks all
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: a year. Right, tell me about that guy? Will tell
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: me about like what you think about his protocol or
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: what he's doing.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, listen, he's helped move the conversation forward in
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: this realm, and he tries lots of things and shares
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: that information transparently. So I like what he's doing. It
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: doesn't have to cost you two million. He just happens
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: to have a team of doctors and testing equipment and
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: all kinds of things so that you can you can
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: do a longevity plan at home for a lot less
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: than two million dollars. In fact, you could do a
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: free one if you really wanted to. Wright's how you
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: eat and exercise and sleep and things like that. That
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: doesn't cost you anything. It doesn't have to. But he's
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: he's really moved the needle. You know, we've learned a
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: lot from watching him and he seems like he's got
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: a sense of humor. He can laugh about himself. Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: and I actually like what he's doing. And that piece
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: of you know, agingo point six years for every calendar year,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: that's I think that's called the duned in pace where
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: where you know, you look at some cellular markers, lab
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: tests and compared to you know, people of that age
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: group fifty sixty seventy, you can sort of see where
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: you fit on that normal normative line and if you
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: are aging slower or faster, what have you?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Actually I had only seen him in reels, bits and
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: pieces a minute here, a minute there, and I'm fascinated
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: with obviously the work you do, and I was fascinated
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: with what he's doing, but I thought it was a
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: complete fucking freak. And then I heard him on a
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: podcast for an hour and a half.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I can't remember whose show.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, he's actually he's really a deep
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: thinker and obviously intelligent and like got a good a
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: bit weird, like the bit where he did a comparison
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: between him and his son. Did you hear about that?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Where they did the test on that they did one
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: on the basically who who could have wood for the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: longest an early morning erection like he was taking some
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I think he I don't even want to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: say it, but I think he won that competition. But
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you know, like a rectile function is an indicator of something,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: isn't it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: It's definitely yeah, vascular health. It is an indicator of
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: vascular health. Yeah for sure.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: If as much or as little as you're comfortable. So
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: what are can you give us an insight into your
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: protocol or some of your protocol, like we we always
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: want to know the guy who teaches the stuff. What
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: does the gud do himself? Like maybe if you could
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: just a bit whatever, but a bit about nutrition, a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: bit about exercise, a bit about lifestyle, and a bit
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: about supplement slash drugs.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: So this is my own personal longevity plan. At the moment,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: it changes adding stuff or I take a break from something.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: But my typical day has early rising. We just added
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: some red and near infrared light therapy in the morning
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: and in the nighttime to simulate sunrise and sunset the
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: benefits of a light from sunrise and sunset. So that's
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: you know, close off ten minutes and then exercise exercise
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: in a couple of varying ways, pilates or weightlifting, I have,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I have done cardio. I'm not currently doing a lot
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: of cardio, but when it's not too hot in Las Vegas,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: we also walk the dog, so we get plenty of
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: steps in we're not it's just way too hot right now.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Even when the sun goes down, it's it's too hot.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Then I intermittent fast so I don't really eat in
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the morning. I will have some kind of nootropic, whether
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: it's coffee or or some kind of caffeinated beverage, just
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: to give me that jolt after I go to work
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: and then I am I will I will put some
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: creatine in my coffee, or I will take a creatine
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: you know, supplement. So even though that it's intermittent fasting,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: I'm having some protein calories there.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Is that a neotropic for you as well?
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah? It is. I mean I also have some mushroom nutropics,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: or I'll do a mushroom tea or mushroom coffee. Sometimes
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: I mix it up a little bit.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Again, Sorry, doctor, Probably there's five people go and what
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the fuck is the neutropic?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Can you tell them? Place?
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a it's stimulates adapt adaptability, synaptogenesis,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: brain function gives my brain that start. I've already done
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: my physical jump start for I exercising. I go home
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: and get ready for work, go to work. Now, I
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: need my brain working really well, because you know, I
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: have a brain job, right, so I have to get
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: my brain working. So I dial that in. I work
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: for a few hours. I probably sit too much, need
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: to get up and do some squats in between patients.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: But I do a lot of telehealth, so like here
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: we're having a video. I do that usually late morning
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: or around noon. I'll be ready for a meal, a
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: protein heavy meal. I'll take my some mornings morning supplements
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: somewhere in there, and usually that's the you know some
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I take the plant exosomes which have the fighter nutrients
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: that do deliver to the cells. Omega three morning dose
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: I take, and vitamin D ten thousand international units with
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: vitamin K two. That's sort of a morning stack, and
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: then good protinacious lunch. Back to work. Try to be
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: done by five PM. So I usually work eight to five,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: and then we go home and cook real food for dinner,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: so real groceries, organic if we can find them Mediterranean esque,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: good piece of protein on there, some something green and
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: colorful with it, and then we usually wind down, try
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: to turn off the screens by eight o'clock and nighttime supplements.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Red light therapy bed in a cold dark room is
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: the ritual. That's that's that's kind of a fairly typical thing.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: I do also take pepti. It's currently a growth hormone
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: secreting peptide. I take a Wolverine stack. I rotate in
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: and out other ones. I take wrap a micin every
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Monday for eight weeks on eight weeks off, which is
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: a synalytic or anti aging drug. I use. I use
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: an exosome based cream for skin health. I know I'm
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: missing things, but this is kind of my stack, my Biohi,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: this is my Brian Johnson stack. You know that I'm.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Doing, do you am?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I am I using the right word. May a statin
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: inhibitor is that?
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I think there was a thing called fall a statin
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a few years Yeah, that's still around. Is that bullshit?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: It's around. There's a peptide fragments. I think it's fall
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: a state in three four four is one of them.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: There are a few others. Uh, that can stimulate. There's
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: there's some controversy is that only stimulates the slow twitch
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: muscle and and I may have backwards but there are
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: you know, we look at different ways to grow muscle,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: and that one may not be the best way unless
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: you're absolutely desperate, you have some kind of wasting disease
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: and you really have to goose it. There are some
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: other ways, and there are people that use what's called
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: it's peptides from fava beans. It's called peptistrong and it's
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: a supplement. I think it's oral, even an oral supplement,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: And you might look at that if you want to
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: gain a little muscle, which is a mild milestat inhibitor.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a friend of mine. This is not a
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: mate up story like sometimes I think it sounds like
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: that when you have a friend of mine.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: This is a true friend of mine.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: In the last full Wakes has started using a very
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: small amount of testosterone and he's in his fifties and
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: he's getting a bit stronger, his body comp is changing
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But his main benefit I chatted with
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: him yesterday is cognitive function. He's like, my brain is
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: great because yeah, I feel good I'm not suggesting this
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: or recommending this anyone because in Australia it's not well
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: you can kind of get it, but you kind of can't.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: But is that a known benefit of TESTOSTERNA?
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, And I forgot to mention I also
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: do that once a week as an injection. And you
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: and I have talked about this before. I know it's
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: difficult to get there and it's absolutely essential to evaluate
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: data for potential replacements. So if you've got to find
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: a place to get it behind an alley, you know,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know the Australian authority is going to come
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: after me. But it is essentially, you do a blood test,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: you look at your numbers, you see how you feel
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: it can help energy, brain, muscle gains from your workouts, libido,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: skin health, inflammatory burdens, so many things.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, that it's a driver of Yeah. Yeah, I was.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Going to ask you, so with your protocol, is there
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: any flexibility in that?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, do you ever go?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Do you ever go? It's seven point thirty, I'm fucking
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: starving and just eat despite the fact that you normally donate,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: like do you do you like I'm a pretty set routine,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: but also like it takes a lot for me to
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: not train, but probably once a month I go and
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not training today just because my body's telling me
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: not to.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have days maybe we didn't sleep
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: off for some reason. I'll just say, you know what,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: the gym's not happening this morning, or yeah, it's it's
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: mid morning and I'm starving for some reason, and I'll
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: have a banana. Absolutely, I try to eat something healthy,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: but we go off. We go off the rails A
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: little bit here too, is you know, grab a cheeseburger
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: every now and then. You got to have a cheeseburger, right,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: So you know, as long as that's a small percentage
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: bad behavior, you know, we we try to behave but absolutely,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: and my protocol is for me, it's not for everybody,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: you know. I also I forget failed dimension. I do
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: read a true Tide to GLP one once a week
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: and I will do that the rest of my life.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I feel amazing. I don't have food noise.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: My weight is absolutely static. At my high school weight.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: My body fat percentage was twelve at the last measure
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: and it hasn't been like that ever.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: You know, what are the if any uh, that's not
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that doesn't have TGI approval in Australia, but people are
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: getting it in otherwise. But what they're actually getting is
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the question mark, what are the alleged negative SAW effects,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: because that's that's aims to be creating a lot of
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: conversational momentum uh in Australia. I'm sure it's way bigger
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: in the States. But what are the potential side effects
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: or alleged side effects of that.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Well, the GLP ones can slow your stomach emptying so
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: you feel full that you can also feel nauseated, and
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: you know when you started it can actually as your
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: metabolism adjusts, you can you can throw up, you can
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: get sick the you know, you can have slowness throughout
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: your gas tur intestinal tract, constipation, obstapation. You have to
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: be proactive about, you know, taking fiber and stool softeners
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: and physical activity which is a great way to get
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: things moving. There's a slight increased risk of pancreatitis. Anybody
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: in a weight loss program as at risk for gallbladder problems.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: So there is this questionable risk of thyroid cancer. I
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: say questionable because it was a study in rats and
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: rats make medullary thyroid cancer because they have more of
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: these specific cells with the receptors that are at risk,
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: where we don't have them as humans. So we haven't
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: seen that in human population, but we have the conversation
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: with patients, so they know, and there's there's this questionable
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: risk of you know, sudden blindness from a vascular event
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: that's still being looked at in Europe. That's not a
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: marketed risk in the US. I think it's still on label,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: and I think it's only for semiglutide, but of course tepetide, retitruetides,
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: some of the others have not been as around as long,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: so we're learning more. But you lose weight faster with
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: trzepetide and even faster with retitruetides, so because that has
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: two and three mechanisms, respect respectively. So they're getting better,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: and when they get better, hopefully the side effect profile
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: will diminish even more.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: And your personal experience side effects nothing or something.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Or yeah, I mean the early going stomach upset, but
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: then you've when your stomach's little upset, you don't feel
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: like eating, So it's part of as part of a mechanism.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: I haven't had that in a couple of years now,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: you know, that queasy feeling, But so I haven't had
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: any issues on ratitude tide has been fantastic. We started
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: out with summer glue tide. Now we went right to
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: ratitude tide. So that's that's fantast So.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: In the middle of that because you're you're younger than me,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: but you know, you're not twenty four in the middle
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: of that, although you probably your bio age is probably
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: about fifteen years younger than your chronological age, I would guess.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: But what's your energy like through the day, Like what's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: your Is your energy pretty consistent through the day or
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: do you go I'm fucking amazing between six and twelve
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and not now.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: I used to be. I used to have that, you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: my rip roaring in the morning and then three in
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: the afternoon crashing. No, I don't. I don't have that anymore.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: I'm consistently. But we do get up early, so we
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: tend to go to bed early and come around eight pm,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: I'm starting to feel yeah, I could go to bed, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: you go to bed early, but we get up early.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to ask this two episodes
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: in a row. But I am I asked this without
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the bloke we were chatting with yesterday or mentioned it,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: because we're talking about some similar things. But for allegedly
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: for a lot of the human kind of evolutionary timeline,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: we humans didn't sleep in eight hours block eight our blocks.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: We kind of slept in smaller blocks, like either by
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: phasic or polyphasic, so either two slept separate sleeping times,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: or you know, in some instances a full times of
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: people would sleep, but it would kind of add up
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: to ideas. What are your thoughts on that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: You know, that's very interesting. I'm going to divert for
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: a moment because we had some folks in the office
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: the other day and they were talking about the fact
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: that certain well known brainiacts like Einstein and a few
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: others would actually get up in the middle of the
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: night and have this stream of consciousness and do their
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: best writing and their best ideas. And you know, you
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: got to keep up a notepad by your bedside table,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: so you so when you wake up with those ideas.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: So it seems there may be some middle of the
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: night you know, light sleep or awakened state that would
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: go along with what you just mentioned. I haven't studied this.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: This is new to me. Yeah, but you know it
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: hit me twice this week, right the other folks, And
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: now you are mentioning exactly that, So you know there
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: is a core is all? You get a little cortisole
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: spike in the middle of the night and that probably
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: times with that spike.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, how much do you.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: So?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: How much of your protocol or the way that you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: do life, the way that you do life in your body,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: how much of that is really planned, structured, organized accountability
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: process very you know, left brain very logical.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Or is it right brain left?
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: No, it's it's it's it's left brain logical planned but
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: becomes a ritual, so it's very easy. And then my
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: wife does this as well, so we hold each other accountable.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: You know, hey, did you do your red light therapy?
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Did you? It's your turn. It's your turn to go
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: into the French fronwarmer, is what we said. You know,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: so here your supplement. I pull the supplements out for us,
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: so I have a duty to pull hers out, otherwise
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: I probably would skip mine.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, back in the day when I used to train people,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: we used to do with probably seventy percent of my
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: clients we worked in twenty eight day blocks just because
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I saw them a lot, so it worked out well.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And every twenty eight days would do, you know, some
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: really fundamental assessments. But what I would get them to
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: do for at least three of their first twenty eight
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: day block, so three months ish, I would get them
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to this is pre trackers and apps and watchers, and
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I would get them to write down pretty much everything
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that they did in a day to their.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Body, sleep, stress.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Levels, what they ate when they ate, as much as
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: they could micro's macros, you know, like everything exercises, sets, reps,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: cardio training, volume, training intensity, coffee, tea, water, supplements, medication,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: so as much as we could, we'd collect data on
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: all of the things that were going to impact their
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: level of function performance, you know, recovery blah blah blah
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: blah blah. So this really an N equals one thing
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: where in that first in those first three months, they
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: learned more about themselves and how their body worked than
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the forty years previous, where they're really starting to pay
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: attention to what am I doing and what are the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: results of what I'm doing? And also retuning you know,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: int reception kind of tuning back into their body where
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: you know, we had this broken relationship almost between us
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: and our body, where now we're starting to work with it,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: not against it, and listen to it, not block it out.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Your idea of that of people like doing some kind
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: of process where they really not just click a thing
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: on their app or but try to understand, you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: essentially the sign of themselves.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: I think it's brilliant. I think you have to have
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: that kind of It's a little bit out of body
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: where you stand back objectively and look at what you're
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: actually doing and you can't make adjustments for the better
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: or scientific experiment on that N equals one unless you
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: have that data. That's what Brian Johnson's doing in a way. Yes,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: very scientifically you know doing that. But yeah, you can
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: do it on your own level. And you're right, some
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: of the apps help, but sometimes the actual doing of
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: the work and writing it out requires you to spend
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: more time thinking about it and getting it down on
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: paper where you say, oh, do I really do that
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: every day? That takes a long time. You know, that's
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: a lot. It's a waste of time right there.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tif before we wrap up. Can you tell
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the doc your blood sugar story plays?
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Oh? Yes. I put a continuous glucose monitor on sometime
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: last year to Jeff because I thought it would be
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: interesting and maybe it would deter me from the frequent
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: cookie carry ons that I do indulge in because the
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: cookie shops around the corner from my house. So I
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: put this monitor on and it was reading very low
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: blood sugars, especially overnight. So my overnight was just dipping too,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: very low below three, which freaked me out.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: A little bit.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: And I train a Type one diabetic, so I was
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: going to her for advice, and.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: I felt I started.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Feeling really really terrible, like really headaches, and I remember
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: laying it on just fatigue, and was about to book
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: an is it an andro endochronologist, And then I thought
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: I'd just go and get one of the finger pricked
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: tests from the chemist. And my readings were not lining
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: up with what the glucose monitor was telling me.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: So didn't it say at one stage you were like
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: two point two or five? Yeah, and then you went
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: and got an actual blood test or a finger pricked
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: test and it was like five or four and a
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: half or five.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: It was totally different. Yeah.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's almost like a nose. It's like a
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: no sea bow where you you read two and a
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: half and you went, oh fuck, I'm dying.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: I was eating oats before bed every night trying to
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: fix this thing. I put on three kilos that week.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: I was little couldn't.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: So some sometimes tech schmack.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I mean I don't know what brand
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: it was, you know, because these these continuous glucose monitors
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: are very popular now even for the average person to
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: learn about what a banana does to your blood sugar
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: or this or that. So if theyre if they can
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: be that act inaccurate, that's a big worry. And I'm
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: not aware of the accuracy studies.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: It's a reputable brand. Wow, it's for people with diabetes.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: So the brand, because that's just your personal experience.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was one of the things that Libra
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: lib I can't Yeah, yeah, that it was literally my
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Type one diabetic client uses that brand. So and I've
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: tried them since. I don't know whether I don't know.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I did try a different brand since then, and I
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: had a similar experience. I don't know if it's just
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: me or I'm kind of intrigued to do it again
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: and see what it reads.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe you have self induced low blood sugar.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's like a white coat fever.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you're manipulating it with your mind. While you're manipulating,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: why don't you get a little bit more testosterone going
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: in your body?
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Can you do that?
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Can you? Can you wrangle that?
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: I think so you were worried there that you wouldn't
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: be able to have an in cookies, but you ended
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: up putting on more away from the oats. So the
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: lesson here is just stay with the cookies. You're fine.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: See that's why he's our favorite doctor, right.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Also another quote that I've wrote that I've wrote.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: How's my English going?
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: You've got to have a cheeseburger sometimes? I mean, if
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: that's not sound medical advice, fuck it.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: You've got to have a cheeseburger sometimes. Hey, Doc, we
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: appreciate you. Something's buzzing. We know you've got stuff to do.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Just tell people again, Steer them to your website and
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: how people can learn a bit more about you and
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: what you do.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Check me out at re celebrate dot com.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: R E C. E. L L E B R A
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: t E. Follow us at at re, celebrate on Instagram
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: and all the other fun social media channels.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: It's sounded enthusiastic.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: Well, I was just going about I've got to turn
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: off your screens at night, you know, stay away from
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: those crazy social media channels. But follow me.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, just make him the only person you follow
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. I will say goodbye here, but Doc as
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: always inspiring and informative.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, right back at you, Thanks Tiff,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: thank you,