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2. Dr. Dyllon Mawn - Chiropractic as an art · In Tune Podcast

• Nick Harvey: Bear with me one second. Of course I start getting congested now. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: That's just the way she goes. Nick Harvey: No, no. My guest today is the owner and founder of Mana Chiropractic and Mana Mastery. He graduated from Life University and while he was there he attended more than 60 seminars on top of the degree. He's built and achieved a lot so far in his short career, and he's one of my mentors and great friends. Dr. Dylan Moorn, welcome to Intune. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Stoked to be here, man. Thank you. Nick Harvey: You're welcome. You're welcome. So let's start from the beginning, Dylan. I know you found chiropractic at a very early age, ⁓ through your dad, it actually was. So for all the listeners that don't know a lot about you, I'd love to start from the beginning and where it all started for you. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Yeah, so let's bring it all the way back. I was fifteen years old. ⁓ my I grew up in a blue collar family. My parents owned a landscaping law maintenance company, Dirt Road, grew up playing outside in the dirt. We were not iPad kids. and to be completely honest, my mom was tired of hearing my bat my dad bitch about mid back and low back pain. And so she was like, Listen, I know there's this chiropractor in town, people speak highly of him, like please just go. ⁓ he was a maximized living chiropractor. I'm not sure if they have ⁓ max living out in ⁓ out in Australia, but maximized living is a practice management group, franchise kind of situation like that. And the point is is that they're they're principled chiropractors. And so the ADIO, Above Down Inside Out Philosophy is their whole thing. at the time that chiropractor was seeing a thousand visits a week. ⁓ he had legendary hands ⁓ that I then realized later is ⁓ not as common in the profession. ⁓ and for every ⁓ client that came through his doors that started care, they did a a group report of findings and like an orientation class. And at this orientation class, he welcomed you to bring your whole family. My mom, my my dad, my mom, me, and my brothers, we all went. I remember sitting in the back right corner of the room. I'll never forget it. I'm sitting in the back row, sitting in the back. And listening to this doc talk, and he's explaining how the brain and the body are connected. He's explaining how health works, how healing works, and he's honestly blowing a lot of holes in the Western medicine approach. ⁓ I remember some of the things that stuck out was he talked about how when you get a calm cold, your body creates all these symptoms. And in Western medicine, we call the symptoms the sickness, but really that's the evidence of your body expressing health because if you did get a cold and you didn't have A sneeze and a runny nose and a cough and congestion and body aches and a fever, then your body's not doing the things that it needs to do to fight that cold. He blew holes in the system about how what we do in Western medicine is we just medicate the symptoms so we can create more comfort and that it disconnects our body's ability to heal. ⁓ he then explained how the brain and the body are connected, that it communicates through the central nervous system that's inside the spine, that goes out to the peripheral nervous system through the nerves. And for my dad particularly, my dad ended up having a chiropractic miracle a month into care. ⁓ the plexi of nerves that go to the upper GI and specifically communicate to the ⁓ pancreas is where my dad had the biggest issues in his spine. It just so happened that nine to ten months prior to seeing this chiropractor, he was diagnosed with type one and a half diabetes. They basically said, like, this isn't quite lifestyle, but obviously it's not childhood onset. You do have autoimmune markers. There's nothing you can do about this. Get ready to take these shots and these pills for the rest of your life. don't even bother changing your lifestyle because this isn't lifestyle related. Took, again, about nine months to get his his levels stable. ⁓ and he had just gotten things stable with his endocrinologist. He starts seeing this chiropractor and Man, when he was taking the amount of insulin that he was taking prior to seeing the chiropractor, his blood sugar was plummeting. And so he started taking less and less and less, goes back to his indo and says, Yo, Doc, I don't know what's going on, but I can't take this much. I'm taking less. And what what's going on with me? the endo asked him, Have you changed anything? They're kind of scratching their head. He says, I started seeing a chiropractor. And Western medicine endocrinologist goes, that has nothing to do with this. That can't be related. Well, we went back to the chiropractor, and the chiropractor had a very clear answer. And he said, Your body's starting to heal. Your body has capacity to heal. Now I still call that a miracle. Is my dad off of insulin entirely? No, not a hundred percent. My dad also has in his ⁓ history, he was an alcoholic for a while. He's like 25 years sober, praise God. but he did damage his pancreas. And one of the principles in chiropractic is ⁓ Is the principles of like like how far matter can can change. ⁓ but what I saw my chiropractor do for my dad, for my family, is he changed our entire outlook on health. ⁓ he gave my dad hope that he could heal. ⁓ he empowered my mom to raise her kids differently. We started eating differently, we started moving differently, the whole family got in chiropractic care. Back then, my girlfriend at the time, who is now my wife and the mother of my children, She had debilitating migraines. ⁓ and it really impacted her life heavily. I'm 15 years, 16 years old at the time, and I start volunteering and shadowing in this office because I was so inspired that I knew I wanted to be a chiropractor, and just wanted to be around this office as much as I could. And I remember his name was Dr. Matt. I I asked him, I said, Dr. Matt, is there anything I can do to volunteer for you so that my girlfriend can get care? She's got migraines and she's got headaches, and I believe you could help her. But I know that her parents aren't gonna pay for this. I definitely can't afford it. And I just I want to get her in here. And he had me organize and reorganize all of his x-rays, his files, because he was switching from ⁓ old school x-rays to digital, I don't even know what they're called, film to digital. ⁓ and that got my girlfriend care. It helped her a lot. ⁓ and it got me to be more and more involved in that practice. I started doing screenings in high school. I did a lot of those in college, ⁓ where I would Help sign people up for initial exams in the practice. And because I had such a conviction and such a belief for this, I think that my youth even worked on my side because I'd be meeting these adults and they're like, Who's this kid? You know, telling me to do this? Like, okay, yeah, I'll I'll I'll buy the screening. So I did really good at screenings as a kid, as a 16-year-old, 17-year-old, 18-year-old. I had a full ride to ⁓ a regular college in the States. ⁓ it's a doctorate program, and so you go to undergrad. And then you go to the doctorate of chiropractic school after your undergrad. So I went and had some fun in undergrad, but I never changed my major. I never changed my path. I knew I was gonna be a chiropractor the whole way through. I did do a victory lap there. I did five years in undergrad, had a little extra fun. ⁓ and I said, when I get to chiropractic school, ⁓ I'm gonna get serious. I'm gonna be a really good student in chiropractic school. That lasted for year one. And at the end of year one, I'm Doing well in school, but I'm a little burnt out and I was terrible at adjusting. Adjusting's a really hard skill to figure out, first of all. ⁓ but I was really bad at it and I was pretty insecure about it because, you know, I weigh like 140 pounds soaking wet. ⁓ and I'm thinking I need to get strong to figure this thing out. And I'm also like, damn, like I'm I'm now one year into a three and a half year program, and I'm no better at adjusting, and I'm looking around and things aren't good. ⁓ So I found this club. Back then it was called Adjusting Ninjas. It's now known as ⁓ Kairos Training Culture. And me and a good friend of mine, Mark Senecao, Dr. Mark Senecao, we said, you know what? Let's jump into this club. It met at 5:30 in the morning. I was not a morning kid. ⁓ and so I'm like, all if I'm gonna do this, I'll do it for a whole quarter. I did it for a whole quarter, and I started to shift some things. At the end of that quarter, Mark went to ⁓ an addressing ninja seminar that came through Atlanta. Back then I still wasn't fully bought in, and so I didn't want to invest in the seminar. ⁓ so I skipped. After that seminar, Mark called me. I'll never forget this call, and he said, bro, he's Canadian. So he's like, hey Horn, you made a huge mistake, brother. You gotta get to one of these seminars, and I'm going with you to Dallas at the beginning of next quarter. Unfortunately, you're gonna have to travel for this one, so you're spending extra money, but we're going to the seminar. That just changed my life. I said, okay. So we come back to the next quarter. This is now beginning of sixth quarter in chiropractic school. Travel out to ⁓ to Dallas, Texas. ⁓ go to my first Adjusting Ninja seminar, ⁓ Dr. Brett Jones, Dr. Lance Bond Stade, Dr. Caitlin Reimer, Dr. Jordan Bonham, ⁓ all these like legends. ⁓ early on in the game are there. ⁓ Dr. Lance and Dr. Brett are the ones leading it. And bro, it changed my life. I remember halfway through day one on lunch break, I called then girlfriend, now a wife and mom of my kids, and I said, Everything's changing. When I got into chiropractic school, I was basically like, get out of my way. I know what I'm doing. ⁓ I just need the degree. I'm gonna graduate from here, I'm gonna go open a maximized living office, I was gonna be an X-ray-based chiropractor. structural correction if your curves in your spine are good, your nervous system's good, and that's the best approach at chiropractic. My then perception on chiropractic was any chiropractor that's adjusting the spine without x-ray is full of shit. They don't know what they're looking at. They don't know what they're feeling. They're making it up. And I go to this seminar and I get adjusted by Brett Jones. And I get the most masterful adjustment I've ever received. And the guy's young, right? At the time he's only a few years out of school. And my chiropractor back home, incredible chiropractor, CBP, Pettibond, you know, doing the occiput lifts, all the things, he had hands. But I had never met someone that was so young in their career and so in tune with it and didn't adjust based on X-ray, didn't adjust the same way every time. My question at my first Adjusting Ninja seminar, the entire seminar, the entire camp, was what about X-ray? What about X-ray? What about this? What about this? How do you know? How do you know? How do you know? And it wasn't from a tone of like challenge or like, disbelief, but it was from a tone of like, how? Because I've never seen this done before. And I couldn't wrap my mind around it being done well in this way. I couldn't wrap my mind around your hands being able to feel that. I then went all in with adjusting Ninja's KTC. ⁓ I mean we were at first we were training two days a week. It turned into four days a week. And the only reason we weren't training five days a week is because most weekends we are traveling to go to seminars. So from Sixth quarter on, over 60 seminars. nonstop. As many weekends as I could. I went grad plus the whole way through. I purchased a laptop and then returned it so I could have extra ⁓ grad plus funds. I got the the reimbursement for all of my ⁓ boards and still paid for boards on my own. And I put everything that I could into seminars. I was learning from Brett Jones, my main mentor. I was learning from ⁓ Katina Manning, Lou Corletto. I did Upper Cervical Revolution with Ian Davis Tremain. I did ⁓ Numa with John Martinez, the Dow with John Martinez and Eric Rubin. and I went to a bunch of business seminars as well. ⁓ but I did a lot of adjusting seminars. Along the way in the adjusting seminars, chiropractic started to become a lot more than brain to body connection for me. And the philosophy started to deepen into what Didi was talking about from the very beginning: reuniting man the spiritual to man the physical. ⁓ I grew up in a Christian home. The church was a part of my dad finding his healing and sobriety. And so the Holy Spirit, connection to God, all these principles in Christianity really started to overlap into chiropractic. And I was like, man, this is amazing. I started feeling tonal chiropractic. I started feeling energetic chiropractic and It started challenging a lot of my worldviews, a lot of my beliefs. I started practicing breath work, which started with ⁓ breath work and meditation, which started with ⁓ 49 breaths, developed by Dr. Sid Williams, evolved into some ⁓ Wim Hof, developed by Wim Hof, evolved into Holotropic Breathwork, developed ⁓ by Stanzloff Groff, and breathwork really started cracking me wide open and changing my entire Paradigm on life itself. ⁓ That then changed my perception to what we're doing with chiropractic to this isn't just neurology. This isn't just brain talking to body, body talking to brain. This is spirit logs onto body through nervous system. Soul perceives, renders, and experiences all of life through nervous system. And the clarity of your nervous system and the resonance between the nervous system and your body, your spirit and your body, the resonance between love and the vibration of truth and you allows you to have the expression of life that is clear, connected, you know, vibrant, and therefore healthy. And so in chiropractic school, you know, I came in one version thinking I knew everything there was to know about chiropractic, pretty cocky and arrogant, to be honest. And I just got humbled and learned new things. And it was all from experience, right? It wasn't from a lot of books. And as I graduated chiropractic school, I was a damn good adjuster. ⁓ I was doing energy work, ⁓ as well as physical work. I could move a bone very well, especially for, you know, a a student graduating. I was proud of the work that I created and and then I just continued on into my journey. Nick Harvey: I love it, man. I love it. There's a lot to unpack there. There's a lot to unpack. particularly on the tonal point of view, ⁓ that'll be interesting for a lot of chiropractors, the intersection of how tonal chiropractic merges with osseous adjusting. When did that start for you and how do you utilize that in practice, the one or the other? Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Totally. So let's bring it back to school again. ⁓ I mentioned a couple of seminars that I went to, but I actually left out quite a few as well. ⁓ I did some NSA, ⁓ really just entry level. I only did level one. and I did some private stuff with ⁓ Danny Knowles. I also did a lot of Tolski tonal. And Dr. Marvin Tolski is one of the oldest he is the oldest chiropractor that I've met that's still five days a week in practice. ⁓ I think he's been practicing for some like close to 60 years at this point. He might be over 60 years. Which, when you know how old chiropractic is, it's like, yo, this guy's been in it for like a lot of chiropractic. and ⁓ and then I did a BGI one and then some BGI play shops and some BGI osseus play shops. The reason why I did a lot of tonal work is I'll be honest, I love moving a bone. I love The occiput lift is one of my favorite adjustments. A lift in general is one of my favorite adjustments, both to give and receive. I mean, the occiput, the crane occiput lift, the petabon lift is the thing that got me into chiropractic. So of course I'm gonna love it, right? but with that being said, and I this goes out to a lot of the students and docs out there, the seminars that I learned the most from were the ones that challenged me the most and the ones that were like the most different from how I practiced chiropractic because I would humble myself and go to a seminar that were doing things different so that I could get a new perspective. And in getting that new perspective, what I realized along the way is that every single technique in chiropractic started with one man or woman that was doing it different. It started with someone that had an artistry, right? Chiropractic is a philosophy, a science, and an art. It started with someone with an artistry that was authentic and expressive and creating. Results that were so good that other chiropractors said, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, what are you doing? Show me how you're doing that. Even Gonstead, who we know that the gondroids, it's like very specific, must be this, then this, then this. And if you do it any other way, you're not doing Gonstead. Even Gonstead, his book was written by nurses following him. He was tapped in, clear and connected, adjusting in the moment, letting people kind of figure out what he was doing, and then explaining it. Secondhand, that's how I teach, right? I I practice and I I'm I'm in present time consciousness and and I deliver and I listen and let the body show me and then I see patterns that start to repeat themselves, and then I can explain what I'm doing, but I don't think about how to manipulate this system. I'm gonna get back to Tonal in a second, but the difference between an adjustment and a manipulation is a manipulation is something that you do where You have an expected outcome. You've got kids. I've got kids. We've got we both have a toddler right now. I manipulate the shit out of my toddler to get him to go to bed. It's a good manipulation. Some manipulations are good for people. He needs to be manipulated to know that, like, because he's not gonna understand, like, hey bud, you need eight hours of sleep so your body can heal and develop. Like the you can't reason with a kid. So you trick him into bedtime stories and you know, rocking and getting him to go down. It's manipulation. In chiropractic, ⁓ PT, osteopathy, people that are putting impulses into a spine. The difference between an adjustment and a manipulation is a manipulation is this has gone like this. My intention is to make it go like this so that you will get this outcome. Your intention that you're putting into it is crystallized. And what that does is it doesn't allow for intelligence to move through with the quantum possibility that it can. It shrinks down your care into only fitting into what your egoic logical mind can perceive as possible. An adjustment, on the other hand, is the intention of communicating in corrective intent through touch, reconnecting people to love so that they have the highest possible outcome of change and evolution that will move their mind, body, and spirit forward and into more evolution. And when that shows up in artistry, it can show up in a variety of ways. So getting back to the tonal. When I was in chiropractic school and I started going to these tonal seminars, I realized that even the tonal adjustment is still an input. Whether it's an activator, an integrator, or a flick with your hand, you're still putting a force into the spine. We're just qualifying and quantifying an osseous force being mechanistic and not tonal. And a tonal force or a light force being non-mechanistic and therefore tonal. But what I started to realize is that a lot of tonal chiropractors, no offense, but a lot of tonal chiropractors are so rigid in their technique and in their ⁓ priorities, their there's priorities in TRT that they're still following a recipe. And I'm like, this is a fucking mechanism. And then I realized, well, the artists that started this, they weren't following the mechanism. They were in present time consciousness and therefore then discovering patterns, creating those patterns, sharing those patterns so that other docs could recognize those patterns. But the miss is when you do it as a mechanism. The miss is if your intention with an osseous adjustment is to take something that's stuck this way and put it that way, mechanism. If your intention with a tonal adjustment is, ⁓ we've got a short leg on this side, when I muscle test it here, it goes long. And so I'm gonna click, click, that's gonna make it go straight, and then that's going to change it, mechanistic. Tonal is about connecting with the spirit, connecting with the spirit through the body, through touch. And tonal, in my opinion, and my approach, tonal is about efforting to take the mind of this person and to reestablish clarity between the mind and the body through the senses and perception of the nervous system. And so sometimes when shit ain't moving. When that SI joint's been locked up for 10 years, lay on your side, Bubba. We're gonna drop this. And all I'm doing is I'm communicating corrective intent that's so powerful that's gonna shift years of stuck trauma that's not adapting and not changing. And I'm gonna give an impulse that's so big that it boom snaps you into present time consciousness, gives you an experience that oftentimes people say, wow, what was that? Blasted into the present moment. That's a tonal adjustment. I don't care. I don't care if it's osseus. That's a tonal adjustment. Likewise, and on the opposite end of that spectrum of force delivery, I can touch a place ever so subtly, ever so lightly, and I can wait until I feel their mind lock on to my hand, connect with my mind, feel their breath, feel the innate wave that's subtly moving through their body, and then boom. And release that with a flick, with a touch, with a tap, with a with the ease, with the breath, with whatever it is. And then I allow their mind to create more harmony and more continuity within their body. Both result in a change of breath, both result in often a wave that moves through the spine, and both result in a shift of energy and a connection to the present moment. So whether it's osseous or tonal or osseous or subtle, it's all tonal. when you're looking through that perception. Nick Harvey: I love it. And I I loved your intention when you're adjusting and that was a big intention and I I really love that approach. If I'm new to this work and I'm I'm a chiropractic student or I'm a chiropractor that just hasn't heard chiropractic in this way and I I just can't think of a bigger picture than just getting this joint to move, what should my intention be focused on when I'm adjusting? Dr. Dyllon Mawn: The approach into the adjustment is all curiosity. Like to keep it as simple as possible, if you're curious, then you're in a receptive state. If you're curious, then when you lay your hands on someone, rather than looking for the problem and looking for where you're going to do something, you're curious and you're allowing it to come to you. When you're in that receptive state, it allows you to be in more of a listening state and in my opinion, more of a heart-based state. you're not thinking as much. You have less of a of you have less of a ⁓ a mental You're putting it less inside of a box that your mind can perceive, right? This will allow you to pick up on more because you're just curious, right? When you and when you're curious and you find something that's stuck, slow down. Right? Don't just push, push, push, push, pump, pump, pump. Where's it restricted? Okay, it's moving good here, it's not moving good here. Slow down, soften, melt into the person that you're feeling. Allow your body to start to match the tone of their body. And so sometimes you got a big burly dude on your table. And so the tone is like, I gotta, I'm gonna sink. I'm gonna sink with some body. Because if I just stay on the outside and I'm real gentle, I don't feel like I'm picking up on anything. But other times when you've got a more subtle system, ⁓ maybe like a light dainty, ⁓ let's let's say a woman or a mom, you don't need to press hard. You can just feel gently. But the softer that you feel, and the more curious that you follow the body, the more that you'll start to pick up on subtle nuances. And when you pick up on subtle nuances, they will start as physical. But sometimes you'll start to get drop-ins. And maybe you can share on this a little bit, because we've talked about this, and I believe that since you've shifted how you do your practice, I think you're picking up on this a bit more. But the subtle nuances might start physical, but then All of a sudden, because you're listening, you're palpating someone, and out of nowhere, you like feel a sense of heartbreak. Out of nowhere, like the thought of this person's mom comes up. And because you're listening, you catch that thought. And you're like, where did that come from? Where did that come from indeed? I stopped denying those thoughts. I started giving value and weight to those thoughts. And I started having the bravery to when I did have those thoughts, which is not all the time. But when I did have those thoughts come up, I'd have the bravery of just saying, Hey, for whatever reason, I'm kind of feeling something here. I'm sensing something. Can I share with you? Every time. They say, yeah, with their curiosity. They say, I don't know what this means to you. But all I know is when I'm over your rib cage, which is over your heart space, I'm just like hearing mom. I'm like thinking of your mom, something maternal, maybe grandma, maybe something like that. I don't know. Whatever this means for you, there's some I think there's something here. Damn near 100% of the time, tears. Because someone got connected with. And without asking them or unpacking their story. I listen deep enough to feel what goes beyond the tissue. And let me demystify this real quick. You give someone a hug, you know instantly if they're having a good day or a bad day. That's tonal chiropractic. We as human beings pick up on so much more than what you think you pick up on. We know that communication is only like some small percentage, is even the words we say, but it's the tone that we say. It everything is tone. And when you hug someone, even if there's someone that you haven't met before, you can tell if they're reserved, you can tell if they're uncomfortable, you can tell if they've had a rough day, you can tell if they're having the best day of their life. And the louder the emotion, the louder the tone, the easier it is to pick up on it. As chiropractors, we can do that with our hands. But I would tell you, you will not get to do that if all you're looking for is to move a stuck joint. But if you're looking to listen deeply and just to connect with someone. And before you effort to move that stuck joint, you just pause and get present. And again, don't look for, ⁓ is this paternal trauma? Is this you don't ask those questions. You're just present with them. Healing is a feminine art. Feminine is presence, it's patience, it's allowing, it's receiving. It's not efforting. It's not doing. A lot of what we do as chiropractors, because we're trying to do something for someone, we get stuck in the masculine. And the more that you can get into the feminine, the more that you allow things come up for you. And that's where this shit can start to go hella deep. Nick Harvey: I love it. And that's that's where I was gonna lead into as well, that masculine versus feminine. And so many chiropractors are stuck in the masculine. And I mean, we we run businesses, we're working, we're talking to people, we're looking at numbers, figures, all of those things. It's hard not to be stuck in that masculine. And I feel that's what takes you away from what you're talking about too, is that heart brain coherence where the miracles happen. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Yes. Nick Harvey: What are the big things for you if if someone's just identifying now that wow, I'm I'm stuck in the masculine, I'm stuck in the the logical brain, I I keep thinking about what I'm gonna be doing to someone. If if they're attending one of your seminars or having a conversation with you, what do you start to teach them to drop into that feminine? Dr. Dyllon Mawn: So I'll give you a place to start and then I'll tell you where I'm at with it now in just brutal honesty. ⁓ for me it started with breath work and meditation. ⁓ for me it started with practicing stillness, practicing listening to my own self. If you're a chiropractor, chiropractic student, ⁓ or anyone listening to this and you're curious about how deep you can listen, you can never listen deeper to anyone else than you can to your own self. And a lot of us, ⁓ is wherever you're at on your healing journey, on your journey of self-evolution and self-discovery, a lot of us start disconnected. And the journey of reconnection back to yourself can happen through having masterful chiropractic. ⁓ that was a big piece for me. Brett Jones cracked me wide open, straight up. ⁓ the adjustments that I've shared with him, that he that he's provided for me, that I've the the the listening and the attunements that I have received in my body, ⁓ in his care. I worked with him for I was an intern for six months and then I worked with him for about a year before he moved off to Tucson. So I mean we were hand in hand in practice for a while. ⁓ and on top of that, most of my seminars were with him. ⁓ and he's a legend in the game. He's got phenomenal hands. ⁓ and he's a great listener. And so first, receiving masterful chiropractic, receiving care from people that can listen deeply and efforting to listen with them because it's a telephone game, right? If you get on the table and you think they're just gonna do something to you, you're missing it. If you get on the table and you listen to what's coming up and allow things to come up, that's where you'll learn some things. So receive masterful chiropractic. Second, breath work and meditation. Joe Dispenza, my favorite. meditation approach. He's a chiropractor. He's talking about brain heart coherence. He is doing he's like a modern day walking Jesus Christ. Like he's doing some crazy stuff. ⁓ and I think he's doing it by allowing creating a space for such massive reprogramming of the of the ⁓ the default mode network that that default mode network when that shifts That is the network for soul to embody body. Right? ⁓ and so when he shifts that, you start to shift, right? So Joe dispensed in meditations, you'll start to feel, listen to, and have more deeper perceptions of what's going on in your own body. Beyond that, breath work. For me, there was an overlap between breath work and meditation with 49 breaths, because the breaths are really powerful. So you feel something that activates within you. And then the affirmations, man, it's like a It's it's powerful. Like you'll I've cried so many times on just like listening to affirmations flow through me because when you're doing 49 breaths appropriately, you're not thinking your affirmations, you're listening to your affirmations as they move through you, right? From there, again, for me, was the the ⁓ Wim Hof in the breath holds. I started to be able to listen to the depth of experiences and go deeper and deeper and deeper into these holds. And it's not about holding longer, it's about sinking deeper and Finding stillness and ease while I'm in a three minute breath hold and like the fascination of holding your breath for three minutes and like somehow being comfortable and like logged on, but logged off, doing that round and round and round until your ears start ringing, your pineal grands buzzing, and it's like, yo, this is breath, and I'm feeling some wild shit. that was the next progression. Holotropic breathwork, which the reason why Stans Lof created this is because Stansloff Groff. Is the ⁓ number one most studied ⁓ or most facilitated LSD ⁓ facilitated psychotherapy sessions. ⁓ before LSD was pulled off ⁓ the market from and made a schedule one, Stan's loft was facilitating guided LSD sessions to help people change. He knew that it wasn't just about the medicine, but the medicine was providing people to get into a state. So when it was pulled off, he said, All right, well, I gotta start studying. ⁓ ancient tradition. So we started shut studying ⁓ indigenous people groups and realized that breath, dance, chant, were ⁓ and and psychoactive and theogenic medicines were all providing this similar state of of flow state, state of getting out of your waking consciousness and getting people to a state where they could change. And so the holotropic breath work is basically just big, rapid, fast, powerful breathing for a long time. And straight up, you just breathe until you trip. ⁓ and that trip is a variety, happens in a variety of ways. Sometimes it's very somatic, sometimes it's very visual. ⁓ and sometimes it's just a lot of really hard work followed by deep relaxation. And that range and tone of how it resets your nervous system puts people into a state where things start to change. I already started to lead into the next piece, which has been the biggest piece for me along my journey, but ⁓ it is psychedelics. ⁓ I did breath work for a very long time before I ever dabbled in psychedelics. and at this point I have sat with most molecules. ⁓ I've sat with most synthetens. ⁓ I've sat with ⁓ I I don't have a problem sitting with a synthetic or a ⁓ or an entheogen. I think synthetic is I think humans calling synthetic less valuable is like the ant calling the ant hill synthetic. Ants create the anthill. That's their nature. Humans know how to create chemistry. We can create some things. I actually just sat with Five ⁓ E O DMT for the first time this past weekend, which doesn't have any ancient origin. ⁓ it was not used in in indigenous ⁓ culture. It's very new, very fresh. It's basically modern days like plant medicine. It comes from a toad, ⁓ only found in in Arizona. It's it's actually now being found in Florida as well. Ironically, I live in Florida. ⁓ but this toad has these glands. You milk the glands, it's the bufo toad. ⁓ you can get bufo out of it. I think it's the Sonorian toad or something like that. and it's smoked. It's known as the God molecule. and that for me is kind of the pathway in that order. ⁓ of how I've now gotten to a space where I'm just going deeper and deeper and deeper on my spiritual journey. And as a chiropractor, what I've learned is that the deeper I go into my own spiritual journey, into my own self, the more that I see the shadows and the things that I couldn't see before, which allows me to heal. And the more that we heal as facilitators of healing, the more that we can resonate with where people are at along their journey. Meet them where they're at, offer them the next step because you know what it feels like. It doesn't mean that we all need to have the same journey, but you can catch people where they're at along the way and kind of start to carry them on. So all of those things will get you there. ⁓ I've done a lot of the static dance, I've gotten there with that, I've done chanting, ⁓ all of these things can get you there, but you need to get out of waking consciousness. That doesn't mean getting fucked up. It means Getting to an altered state of consciousness. And why is that so important? Because an altered state of consciousness is a prerequisite, it's a requirement for a spiritual experience. I grew up in the church. I can't tell you how many times I'm sitting there in praise and worship with my whole body fucking vibrating, where tears are streaming down my face, where I can feel connected to God, source, creative intelligence, feel Christ's consciousness moving through me, feel like the healing happening. In the lights and the in the in the powerful music and feel the vibration of the music moving through me, that is an altered state of consciousness, period. Altered state of consciousness is not a bad thing. We've been doing it as human beings. We're one of the few animals on the planet that is fascinated with the art of getting high, with the art of getting out of this ego mind. And I believe it's because when we get out of that ego mind, The journey back, and when you're putting yourself back together, you start to realize what truth is, what love is, and where there's dissonance between that and and you in your mental life, in your physical life, and your habits. And as you make those changes, watch yourself evolve. You don't need to do plant medicine, you don't need to do drugs. ⁓ but if you are curious, there is a way to do it with powerful intent, with clear intent, and in a very good way. Nick Harvey: Wow, there's a lot to unpack there. A lot to unpack. very fascinating, very fascinating. And I'm just newly into Christianity too. And I feel I I started from where you're at and I've I've come off on a on a different part of the journey. And for me at the moment it's all just embodying Christ and following Christ and from where you started to where you are, it was the opposite from where I started to now, where I am too and I'm really finding this is this is the way and the path for me. And we all we all have individual paths too, which is the beautiful thing. ⁓ I know you run obviously Mana Mastery, which is your adjusting seminar. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Bef before we move on to Modern Mastery, can I highlight a beauty thing that I think exists there? That's the principle of polarity. Right? Hermetic philosophy, ⁓ a great place to go deeper on the philosophy of of existence. ⁓ and the principle of polarity is that love and fear being on opposite ends of the spectrum, or or let's just go simple. Let's go like light and dark. They're two sides of the same coin, but one can't exist without the other. Nick Harvey: Go for it. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: And so, if my journey through spirituality and depth of connection to God, creator, intelligence, source, whatever you want to use to call it, if my journey started in the religious Christian space, which I hold so much respect and reverence for, and it's evolved in this way, it's just the journey of polarity. And if yours did the opposite, it's just the journey of polarity. One of my best friends, Dr. Jordan Bonham, we talked so much about how chiropractic brought him to God. And how I had God, and that's what brought me to chiropractic. And it's like we love we talk all the time because we think very opposite, but we meet in the same place. And that's just the principle of polarity. And there's so many different beautiful paths to finding this deep connection to God. And I think it's amazing that that's where you're at in your in your journey. And I fully support that. And I fully freaking Cheer you on and and and and support. There's no like better way this way or that way. It's just it's the authentic way. The thing the the way that lights you up and causes you to actually change, that's the way. So Nick Harvey: Hmm. Powerful. I love it. I was gonna say on Manamashri, obviously there's a lot you unpacked here too. Are these some of the principles and practices you teach at the seminars? Dr. Dyllon Mawn: One hundred percent. Yeah, so I don't turn on and turn off chiropractic. ⁓ Nick, you've known me long enough to see that like that's that's what it is. But we're still living on opposite sides of the globe. And the main view into my life is through my Instagram. But if you ask any of my friends, anyone that I work with, if you ask my wife, there is no separation. ⁓ I live life through the chiropractic lens. The the chiropractic principles are beautiful principles that I think explain human principles and the principles of of existence and healing. and so Monomastery. First of all, I'm just gonna say this because I want this to be out there. Monomastery is not a rip off of KTC. I love KTC and I think KTC is an amazing thing. When I left the source and decided to do my own thing, there wasn't space for me in KTC anymore, and I was fired. Okay. I love teaching chiropractic, and I'm not gonna stop teaching chiropractic. So I went and created my own thing. I just wanna throw that out there. It's all love, it's all light. I probably promote KTC more than anything else at my seminars because that's what I went to the most. With that being said, Mono Mastery is my expression of chiropractic. And while KTC was a huge platform for me to get started, I'm an aquarium and so I only do it my way. Fucking look at me, dude. Like I don't look like your average chiropractor. I don't move like your average chiropractor. Most people that do the things that I do are really quiet about it and I'm not like I'm not copying anyone. ⁓ And so Monomastery is not KTC. It's not a training camp. Monomastery is an experience and a place for people to go to learn how to connect with their intuition. Intuition, I believe, is the most powerful way to be in present time consciousness. Intuition speaks to you in statements, not in questions. And most of us, especially learning how to adjust or trying to figure out how to adjust better to your point of being stuck in the masculine. If you're stuck in the masculine, you're not an intuition because you have to listen to the intuition, you have to receive the intuition. And intuition is not hocus pocus bullshit making it up. Intuition is what happens when you are so masterful that the information that you're picking up on, that your neurology is picking up on, that your senses are picking up on, that the patterns that you're picking up on is rendering faster than your conscious mind. Can follow it. And so it shows you where to go next. The best athletes move with pure intuition. That's why they move so quick and why they can see where the next move is and beat the player, because they have an intuition that you're gonna step right, so I'm gonna step left. The best artists have intuition of how to create and flow and blend. They're not thinking, they're intuitively channeling. And so I believe that the best chiropractors. Are moving with deep connected intuition. So Mana Mastery is designed to create a space where people can tap into and connect with intuition. So at our weekend seminars, we start the seminar with a deep dive on philosophy. The philosophy and my explanation of where hermetics and where tonal and osseous all overlap. And I kind of like lay the framework to get people thinking a little differently. That's what I do on Friday night. ⁓ When I'm traveling to Australia on Friday night because I try to pack as much in into Saturday and Sunday, I also typically do the artistry showcase then as well, where everyone then gets a chance to feel what mastery chiropractic is and what we're gonna get into over the weekend. And then throughout the weekend, I start every single weekend with the light touch, subtle tonal work. And the reason I do that is because everything from that point forward builds off of the off the heart space. Builds off the perception of like, I don't want you guys thinking and trying to figure this out. I don't give any listings. ⁓ I hardly give any contact points or segmental contact points, I hardly give any lines of drives. Because what I'm trying to do with mono mastery is create masterful chiropractors. And the way that I believe that you create a masterful chiropractor is first showing them how to connect, connect deeply, connect to themselves, connect to the person on the table, and start to feel what comes up. I'm a pretty grounded individual. My astrology, I've got five houses in Capricorn. I'm very grounded. I'm also pretty woo-woo. ⁓ I'm a ⁓ Aquarian sign with a rising ⁓ and and ⁓ with a Pisces rising and moon. So I'm weird as fuck, but I'm grounded as well. And so what that makes me is a natural skeptic. And so growing up, I thought crystals were pretty rocks in chiropractic school. I thought tonal chiropractic was bullshit. ⁓ like I said, I thought anyone adjusting without an x-ray was making it up and full of shit. ⁓ and I thought it quite that abruptly. And now I have no x-ray unit in my practice and I'm literally touching things and moving subtle energy. And so I have a very grounded way to help give context to what's happening in the tonal adjustment and to help both chiropractors feel the subtleties as well as how people on the table can feel it. So that's where it starts. Then it gets into various applications of how you can do this osseously. And that's all through the perception of tone. My palpation approach is with pressure and with palpating chunks and units. I don't do intersegmental palpation. I lay my hand on one part of the spine and on the other part of the spine, and as I sink into it, I feel how the spine is floating inside of the soft tissue. Where is it floating where it's like, like imagine. Imagine this is just floating here and it's like connected to all these different rubber bands and like a rubber band here is like tight. Well when I go to sync into that, as I sink, it's gonna like pull this way. And as it pulls this way, that's gonna change something along the chain. That for me is tonal palpation. It's feeling the tone of the system. I liken it to a guitar player tuning a guitar. All they do is they feel the vibration in what's a G chord, what's an F chord, C, whatever the other chords are, not a musician. ⁓ And starting to feel what's resonance and what's dissonance. From there, I teach people how to set people up with ease and how to adjust the way their body needs to be adjusted. Because what I learned is that although KTC gave me amazing lines of corrections and this and that, as I got further along in my artistry, I started realizing like I'm not doing unilaterals or bilaterals, like I'm not doing any of that anymore. I'm like feeling where this thing wants to go and then sending it. The way it wants to go. And that's how I got the best adjustments. You and I have talked about this before. And so I started realizing, okay, amazing framework, but there's more to this. And so what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get people out of their head, into their heart, into their feeling, so they can start to know what the fuck are you feeling? And if you know what you're feeling, then you know what ease is. I teach people how to adjust where the entire focus is on the support hand. Because when you can support it. I give the analogy of balancing a rock, and we practice balancing a rock at every single seminar that I teach. When you can learn how to balance the spine, you can adjust through so much easier and with ease. And when you adjust that way, watch the video, record it happening. When you adjust that way, you will see a ripple move down the spine. And what's even cooler is video the same person at the beginning of care and then a few months into care. And you'll see that ripple get further and further and further down their spine, whether it's a toggle, whether it's an occiput lift, whether it's a thoracic adjustment. At first, it might only move that small area. But the more you get ease and the more you get their body connected, it'll start to ripple through the whole thing. And this is where I'm blending the intersection between tonal and osseous chiropractic. And the last piece here is it's all volumes, right? And so when I'm palpating through layers, the subtle layer. Is the light touch tonal volume layer. Hi, Mako. The subtle layer is the light touch tonal volume layer. But as I get deeper into the system, it's still tone. But that tone has a deeper resonance. You want to say hi? That tone has a deeper resonance, and that deeper resonance needs a bigger impulse. And that bigger impulse is the osseo impulse. But it's all tone. Nick Harvey: I love it. I love it. And that's that's the element of the the adjustment has to be from a place of feeling too. And I feel the line of drive, the corrections are a really good foundation for a lot of chiropractors to start. The the line of drive and correction are really good foundation for where a lot of chiropractors should start, but you need to master that to then be able to feel what's happening in the moment and to be able to microtune and and shift through. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: What are we? Yes. Nick Harvey: How you're going to adjust each person because that's where the the magic is, and and no two spines are the same. Yeah. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Correct. And and I can speak a little bit more to that as well. ⁓ you know, intuition is only possible when you know the roadmap of what you're doing. So if I've never played tennis before, you you're ⁓ your family's got a tennis court in the backyard, right? If I've never played tennis before, dude, I'm sitting there on a racket and I'm like a doofus. And there is zero intuition, right? But I'm a damn good driver. When I'm behind the wheel of that truck. I can be sending a text, driving with my my knee, zooming in out of traffic without even hitting blinkers, because I can intuitively drive, because I have an awareness of the space. And so with chiropractic, you need to have a good awareness of how the spine moves. You need to know your lines of drive so that you can forget your lines of drives. You need to know the anatomy, you need to know the physiology, you need to know these foundations of techniques. And so If you're new to chiropractic and you come to Amana Mastery, you're gonna learn the perception of what it is to feel. So you understand what you're feeling as you learn the lines of drives and the different techniques you learn in school. If you've been in chiropractic for a while and you feel stuck in the masculine monotony and the repetition, which is where you and I really aligned when we first met, of like, ⁓ I know there's more, but like I feel stuck in this. If that's you, ⁓ and your father-in-law who ⁓ you know. 30 years in the game coming in and getting reinspired, for them, what Modemastery will do is it'll get you out of your head and remind you that there's so much more. But there's something there for everyone. And it's not to say that the lines of drives are not important. It's not to say that your classes aren't important. It's not to say that the school foundational things that they give you aren't important. You need a map to be able to not use the map. When you first move somewhere, you need a map to get around your city. Eventually you no longer need that map. You know where you're going. That's where mastery can start to take hold, right? Nick Harvey: I love it. You touched on a point before and and from me knowing you personally, I know this has been a big thing in your life. the transition. The transition out of out of the source and the transition out of KTC too. And I'd love to get your take on on what that transition has done for your life and what that process has been like. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Yeah, so KTC cracked me wide open. It ⁓ it set me on a path that ⁓ I think I was always looking for and like really opened my heart up. ⁓ Brett Jones was my biggest mentor for the longest time. And as things went on, ⁓ I got an opportunity to go be an intern and then an associate at the source. ⁓ at the time When I even had that opportunity, I was very, very upfront that I ⁓ did not want to be an associate for long and then I plan on opening my own thing one day. I was raised by a small business family. You know, my like everything that I do in my business, I didn't learn from a book. I learned from watching my dad run a very successful small business. and while we were at the source in Oakland, ⁓ the franchise idea started to be ⁓ started to take shape. ⁓ Dr. Darren Murphy out in out in ⁓ Denver had opened the the the second source ⁓ before the franchise existed. And then Dr. Darren, Dr. Jordan, and Dr. Brett were all working on creating this franchise. And it was short before I was ready to to leave that, you know, they they asked me a couple of times, like, hey man, we want to bring you in. Would you like to do this? And I'm like, I have no interest in being a franchisee. I have a lot of ideas and I've had ideas my whole life for what I want to do with chiropractic and as a business owner and I just don't want to be strapped down to a model where I don't have control. I'm I'm not a franchise either. It's not who I am. ⁓ My wife and myself, ⁓ you know, that was our crew, that was our family. And so we shifted when it was offered to me to become a shareholder. ⁓ I had a small share in the company. ⁓ I I had four percent. It wasn't anything big. And that was enough for me to say, Okay, this is a small buy-in. ⁓ and so I can do this, I can strap on this. But the biggest agreement was that we were gonna co-create. The biggest agreement was that as me being a shareholder. I would have an equal say, even though it's a smaller percentage, an equal say and equal voting power. And that as the shareholders, we were gonna be the ones leading the charge and creating things, and then figure out in our practices what's working and then send it out into our franchisees. Well, when I got to Florida, I figured out some shit that was working for us. ⁓ and in one year, we launched a second location. In one year, I went from me and one or two other associates 'cause one was kinda in and then the other and then he was out. He had a healing thing. ⁓ two think nine it grew so fucking quick it was out of control my team was really happy like we were vibing man ⁓ and we were doing things differently we were adjusting at screenings I chose to put them on a different contract and the reason I did that was because I wasn't I I I didn't agree with the ⁓ the contracts that we were making for associates and the source model. ⁓ and I didn't agree with changing them. And I had already had an agreement with Dr. Gina of what the contract was going to be before she started. And ⁓ and I was told I needed to change that ⁓ because we were changing it as a company, and I just wasn't gonna do that. ⁓ and so I kept that to myself because it's my business. no one was paying my people's salary, no one was paying my business, no one was growing my business. This is my business. I'm a part of the franchise, but I'm a shareholder and this is my business. And so if I want to take home less so that my associates can be paid more and and therefore be happier, I have no problem doing that. I did keep that to myself. ⁓ I didn't share that with everyone. and then, you know, just like as the franchise was going, we had a really hard time getting the franchise off the ground. ⁓ you know, we're four chiropractors. We we weren't franchisers, we weren't business people. And there were some struggles. ⁓ everyone had their own struggles. we started doing things a little differently in St. Pete and Dunedin that worked well for us and we kept it to ourselves. those things that were different ⁓ were we built a membership model for our our lifetime clients. ⁓ and so instead of just I noticed that one of the problems was like That you always have to keep reselling these care plans. And that gives people an opportunity to like jump out of care. And so I figured out a way to ⁓ provide a wellness care on a membership-based thing. It worked well for us. We were adjusting at screenings. We were doing things that were different. And we were starting to delineate more and more from what the whole franchise was doing. The reality is there wasn't a single source that was operating like another. Oakland was different than than than Tucson, was different than Denver, was different than St. P, was different than it was all different. And the reason why is because we were all artists. ⁓ and because we were all trying to like figure out the best thing and the best way to make this work. I finally got honest with everyone, told them that I'm paying my team differently. and that was the beginning of me telling them that I wanted to exit. ⁓ that was taking That was received really poorly. ⁓ now I had a lot of fear in sharing this. ⁓ and let me roll it back. Part of the reason why I was keeping everything to myself was every time that I had an idea, that idea was just shot down and said, we can't do that because of this, that, or the other. And Brett and I really started hitting heads. ⁓ there was definitely a bit of an ego trip between us where I wanted to change things, but I'm this young buck chiropractor, and he kept telling me that, you know, he's been in this for a while, he's the leader of this, we're gonna do it his way. ⁓ Basically fall in line, soldier, and it's just never gonna work for me, man. ⁓ I told him straight up, like, Brad, I wanna be equals with you. I wanna be equal brothers in this, and he took a lot of offense to that and felt like he was always going to be a mentor that could pour into me. Everyone on my team, I'm a fucking equal with, period. I might have things to share with them, but I'm equal with them. They are chiropractors. We have the same fucking degree. Some of my chiropractors that are brand new, like Dr. Jason, one of the best chiropractors I've ever met. He's six months out of school. I tell him all the time. When I say I'm proud of him, I say I'm not proud of you as my pupil. I'm proud of you as my brother. Because you're equal to me. Right? ⁓ but it was clearly a bit of a hierarchy thing. ⁓ I find it ironic that a lot of the source practices are now adjusting at screenings. When that's, you know, they told me that we can't do that because it devalues chiropracticing and da da da. All these fear-based ideas, and I had an answer for all of it. And my opinion is if you're great at adjusting. Give, do, love, serve out of abundance. Adjust adjust to that screening and show that person. Maybe you've had a chiropractic before, but you've never felt this. Maybe you've seen a painting before, but you've never seen my painting. Right? I'm an artist. I can show you something that's different than the rest. And so it just didn't work. ⁓ and I think a lot of business relationships with friends didn't work. I left because I was doing things differently. There was a lot of fear. ⁓ there was a lot of emotion, and I didn't leave in the cleanest way. And that led us to open up and do we we got sued. ⁓ and so they came after us claiming that we were copying them and sealing their intellectual property. Let's be honest, guys. Holistic chiropractic, cash-based chiropractic with an exam and care plans where you're only providing like it the Intellectual property is only protected when it's like a genuine, unique recipe. Like the Chick-fil-A sauce recipe, that's protected as intellectual property. Doing things a little bit differently isn't. And so the lawsuit was super expensive for both parties. but I knew that we were in integrity. And so we went through it. we held on to it. ⁓ it was actually while I was in Australia with you that a lot of things were shifting, and that's when the settlement ⁓ started. ⁓ I can't talk about those details, ⁓ so I won't. ⁓ but it ended up settling in a good way. We all moved on. ⁓ but what the internet doesn't know about is ⁓ October before I saw you, I sent an apology text to Brett, 12 minutes long. and I told him, I reminded him of the relationship we had. That he was in my wedding, that we've been best friends, that I'm not here to steal from the source or fight the source. I'm not here to steal from KTC. Or repurpose KTC. I'm here to live my expression and I'm not gonna stop. I said at the end of this lawsuit, we're both gonna keep going forward. KTC is gonna exist, Mana Mastery is gonna exist. The source is gonna exist, Mana's gonna exist. I'm on the other side of the fucking country. I'm nowhere near another source. I'm not in competition with them. And the Brett that I knew who brought me into this whole thing said chiropractors need stop fighting with one another. Meanwhile, I'm getting sued by another chiropractor. Right? And so I sent him this this this message. I still have it on my phone. Super humble, trying to just like say, here's what it is, man. And I also apologize for the way that I left. I acknowledge how he probably felt. and from that, his response was, sounds like you want to settle. And he sent me a ridiculous settlement. That was back in October of 2025. While I'm fucking homeless with an infant. Okay. I was getting freaking tossed daggers, man. I'm homeless with an infant. And Sent him the apology text, which was the message that ayahuasca told me to do. And his response to me was, sounds like you want to settle. The settlement option that he gave me was so ridiculous that what it showed me was we're not settling. And if we're not settling, I need to figure out how I can just make more money so I can keep fighting. Because I knew at the end of this I was not gonna lose. That's where Montomastery was created. That's where everything else was created out of a need to level up. And it came through clear as day. Boom, boom, boom. This is what we're gonna do. And actually it's my whole ten year plan moving forward. So we've got monomissions coming up, we've got retreats coming up, we've got a lot of good things coming up because this was all the the framework and the layout of what we can do and how we can create all this. ⁓ Forward back to now, ⁓ January 2026. ⁓ we then discussed settlement again. These are more realistic terms. We settled, we parted ways, I'm doing my thing, they're doing their thing. And unfortunately, when you put evil out into the world, when you put hate out into the world, when you just try to hurt people for the sake of hurting people, what you put out comes back. And so the source franchise is no longer. Darren has rebranded, he's not even he doesn't even own a source anymore. He's doing an x-ray system practice. It's totally different. I don't know what's going on with the rest of them. and I have no relationship with any of them. In some ways, it's heartbreaking because these were some of the closest people to me and my wife. ⁓ I was like uncles, I was like an uncle to their kids. but also I'm grateful. I'm super grateful for. The time that I had with them, I'm super grateful for the journey. I'm so grateful for all the things that I learned in Brett's mentorship. I'm super grateful for the memories, the vibes, the ceremonies, the it was a lot of good, man. It was a lot of good. And much like how Dodge created the TRX to rival the Raptor, I'm a Raptor guy. And when Dodge made the TRX to rival the Raptor, Ford came back and put the V8 back inside the Raptor and created the Raptor R to come back. So the best thing for chiropractic is by me leaving KTC and creating Mono Mastery. Now Mono Mastery is making KTC have to level up, is making Mono Mastery have level up. And it's not out of scarcity, at least not for me. Because there's no shortage of good chiropractic training out there. And there's no shortage, there is a large shortage of good chiropractors. I do not believe chiropractic is dying. ⁓ if I did, I wouldn't be creating seminars. I wouldn't be investing my time and energy into it. Rather, what I see Is young chiropractors that are fucking taking over. There are more and more good chiropractors out there. There are more and more people that are curious about the mind, body, spirit connection and how chiropractic is a platform to unite them. I think chiropractic is positioned to be the leader of health as we move into the Aquarian age. Because as we move into the Aquarian age, all systems are going to flip and change. And that includes the health system. I believe Western medicine is running out of time. And that the chiropractors that are standing on business. And being different are going to be the ones that are leading the health and healing of humanity. I believe that shamanism is on its way back, and that the modern day shaman is the chiropractor. The shaman is the one that journeys through the dimensions, reconnecting soul to body and kind of guiding. It's the guide. That's what the chiropractor is. We're the guide. We reconnect man, the spiritual to man, the physical. It's fucking modern-day shamanism with body work as the medicine. ⁓ ⁓ again, ⁓ so that was the the source piece. ⁓ so we left, we created mana. I never wanted to leave KTC. I actually was hopeful that in this whole transition that I could stay with KTC because it's a lot of work to build a whole training company. It's a lot of work. ⁓ and I like just showing up and teaching. ⁓ and I love teaching with Dr. Gina. And ⁓ and so I was fired from KTC in a text, no phone call, just fired in a text. ⁓ and the last team call that I was on was actually when Brett said he was shutting KTC down for that next year. People don't know this. The last team facilitator call that I was on said I'm shutting KTC down for next year because there are sharks in the water. There are people in here that want to take it from me. So if you want to take it, go create your own. That was the last call I was on. The next communication was a text to me saying you're no longer a part of this. And so then I was released. And so I went and did what I was told to do. If you think you can do it, if you think you can do it better, go do it. I don't know if I'm doing it better or worse. That's not really what it's about for me. I'm just doing it different. I'm just doing it my way. We don't do, there's not like a run, there's not a there, there it's not a training camp. It's a seminar. What KTC does that is unique and what they do better than anyone else is they do a training camp. And it's fucking amazing, dude. Go to a KTC training camp. What I do is unique and different. You're gonna get taught by some unicorn shot out cunt. And I'm gonna be authentic and I'm gonna drop F bombs and I'm hopefully gonna ground you into believing that tonal chiropractic ain't for the birds. ⁓ and we're gonna have fun and we're gonna laugh. We're gonna listen to a lot of bass music. and I think you should do all of it. I think you should go to both. I think you should go to Sentropy, I think you should go to tonal seminars, I think you should go to business seminars, I think you should go to all this stuff. That's the first time I shared this, so damn. Nick Harvey: Love her man. I appreciate the authenticity and I appreciate you going deep with that too, because that's that's a lot. And I feel I've had a lot of transitions in my life too, some similar to yours. And I feel God gives us these transitions when it's our time to expand. And without these transitions, there would be no room for expansion like you're talking about too. And ⁓ the last thing I would want to try and do is keep Dylan trapped in a box because That that ain't gonna work. ⁓ so I appreciate you sharing that and going deep into that. ⁓ 'cause I know that that would have been tough for you. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: It is all love, man. I want nothing but the best for the entire Jones family, everyone involved with the source, anyone that man, I want nothing but the best for anyone that I've ever been involved with. ⁓ and if this makes its way back to them, like again, I apologize for the way that I left. ⁓ I was moving a bit out of fear and there was definitely some immaturity that happened. ⁓ and I'm far from perfect and I'm just trying to be better every day. ⁓ but at the end of the day, no one will ever keep me in a box. My fucking wife can't keep me in a box. ⁓ and the more that I feel constrained, the more I'm gonna kick and scream to get out. ⁓ and so with love, I'm gonna go build. Nick Harvey: I love it. And that that would lead me into my next part and and and close towards the end. In you are very early in your journey. It's an early one to leave, but I'd love to to future pace forwards into what you'd love to leave within this profession. What what would you love to be remembered for? Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Man, growing up through my chiropractic journey, ⁓ it's been the greats that have inspired me. you know, the like I dude, I listen to like old Sigafoos tapes and shit like that. And I love hearing Sid on these like poorly audio recorded stuff and anything I can find on like old D D and BJ stuff. and I would love to be First of all, it ain't about me. Right? Mana Mastery, Mana Chiropractic. I was actually hesitant on calling it Mana because it's so similar to my last name, Mon. And my team at the time all voted on Mana. I didn't even come up with a name. Marielle, my office manager at the time, she was the one that was like, How about Mana? We were looking for a name that was synonymous with innate intelligence. We wanted something. Older, we want I wanted a name that stood out and was alone on its own island. So like we were between Seoul Chiropractic was one of them. There's there's a a restaurant around the corner from us called Sol Bistro. I wanted to be a business in town that if you typed in mana, you get one thing, that's it. Right? And mana is not a name that's used a lot. It's an old Polynesian word. ⁓ and it basically represents the intelligence within. I didn't realize how much fire alliteration that I was gonna get from it. Mono mastery, mono missions, ⁓ just all the things. ⁓ I guess it's only two, but there's just all the stuff. I think the best leaders create more leaders. And I think that the best leaders are measured by the people that surround them. I want to be surrounded by fucking legends. I want to be known for the ripple that created a space for a collective to build. ⁓ and so next year with Modomastery, it's not just me teaching. even this year, Dr. Gina is coming out with me to Barcelona and Poland. Super excited for that. ⁓ And she's ready start teaching again. Dr. Gina and I have, in my opinion, some of the best chemistry in modern day chiropractic teaching. Like the yin and the yang, bro. It's good. It's good. Because we're not trying to compete with each other and we can we explain things differently. And she lets me shine and I let her shine. I believe she's incredible, she believes I'm incredible, and that's a good recipe, right? There's no competition. ⁓ Dr. Jason, who has been behind the camera most of the first year, and Dr. Katie. Who's been the mastermind organizing all this shit and really the reason why we've been able to do what we've done? ⁓ they're both gonna start teaching as well. ⁓ but You know, chiropractic's known as eating their young, right? So many people in chiropractic prey on younger chiropractors that have that thing that they know, well, they got the thing, and so I can mentor them and kind of bring them in, and then they can kind of build me up. I think Dr. Tim Young is one of my most inspiring mentors leaders in the game because Dr. Tim Young, the more money he makes, the more successful he is. You know 100% without a shadow of a doubt. That is merely a measuring stick for how many people he's helped. He doesn't use people to step on them to build himself up. Rather, he builds other people up. I think the best leaders lead from behind. That's how a wolf leads. They put the weakest in the front, the strongest in the back. And so I want to lead behind my crew. That's in the practice. That's in monomastery. I don't, this isn't a fucking ego trip. This isn't about me. I'm a regular I'm a weird regular ass dude with a giant passion, with a huge conviction. And the reason why I feel this way is because I was never a tonal chiropractor. And now I'm facilitating freaking spirit sessions off, like outside of the practice, doing some weird shit. I never thought I'd be doing this. I want to help chiropractors be great by the time they graduate. I want to help great chiropractors become more invigorated and inspired to keep going. I want to build a community of chiropractors in the practice and on the monomastery team that has something to plug into and fulfill the the desire to feed other people because it's a lot of work to build a seminar series. And so we've got the framework built, and now I've got the team that is plugging in to keep it going. ⁓ I want to show what's possible when you drop your ego and you make it about the people around you and not about yourself. where we're going next year. We're definitely coming back to Australia. I don't think Melbourne's on the list. I want to go to a couple different places, but you'll travel. I know you will. ⁓ we're coming back to Australia. ⁓ we're going to Barcelona and Poland again because those are already popping off. Maybe he even hit another weekend in ⁓ in Europe because ⁓ dude, Europe's hungry for the chiropractic. ⁓ Europe's hungry for this work. ⁓ we're going to Puerto Rico again. we're going to Brazil. And next week I have a call with Africa and we might be going to South Africa. ⁓ inside the States, we'll be in Florida t we'll probably be in Florida a couple times. I'm gonna do something at the practice, and then we'll also go teach in Daytona. We'll be in Daytona twice, we'll be in Atlanta twice, we'll be in Davenport twice, and then we'll probably go to Life West once. This year, any of the camps that we had a hard time selling out, I'm just not going back to them because I'm gonna follow where the energy wants me. ⁓ I've got two young kids, and if you just counted how many traveling weekends that is, it's a lot. I love teaching, and so I'm gonna keep teaching. My wife supports it because I come back a better version of me every single time. ⁓ I don't know if it's next year, if not, it's definitely the year following. We're gonna be starting retreats and missions. What missions will look like is it's gonna be a mission trip with the Monaciropractic team where you get to go out on a mission trip with all of our docs. In the morning, we do a training. In the afternoon, We serve and in the evening we do self-development and integration. ⁓ breath work, meditation, conversation, what have you. ⁓ I'm really excited for that ⁓ because what I feel is lacking in a lot of the mission trip space is like really great chiropractors that are supporting the students and chiropractors that are serving. And so this is basically going to be like a monomastery in the morning and then serving all afternoon, applying it, and then integrating it at night. I'm so excited for that. ⁓ so that's gonna be next. ⁓ and then what's live right now, I've done a terrible job at marketing it. We pretty much just did a soft launch, but what's live right now is ⁓ the first ever mono module series. This module series is different than any other module series that I've seen in chiropractic, and I'm not just saying that. I'm saying that because Dr. Jason has bought every module series in chiropractic as a chiropractic student. And what we wanted to create is we wanted to create a module series that was a front row seat to a mono mastery seminar. And so he's filming super up close, getting into it. ⁓ it's basically a monomastery seminar with me just teaching and flowing. But in a monomastery seminar, there's a lot of time for hands-on. So I can't teach you guys everything I know in one weekend. We do not have enough time. But what I was able to do in three days is teach my philosophy, teach some of my like lecture stuff, as well as teach damn near all of my adjustments with. Explanation of who it's good for, things that come up, patterns, somewhat of a line of correction, a little bit more grounded ⁓ demoing and walkthrough with the spine model, demoing and walkthrough on several different people that we're adjusting. ⁓ and when you go through it, it's like it's like watching a seminar front like front front row. It's not like ⁓ a rigid square module series. It's it's got a lot of flow. ⁓ and that's inside of the school community. And so what I also did was I said instead of putting this module series in a space where you just download the modules and watch them on your own, it's inside of Hermosy's school community where now we can start to get a map of chiropractors that are doing this work so it's easier to refer to people. We can have a community board where people are commenting and connecting with people. We can have a space where you train the stuff in the modules and then you video yourself and put it on there and get feedback from me and the crew because I can't make it everywhere. And so if you're catching this and you're somewhere that I'm haven't taught at or I'm not at, or if you're catching this and you have learned from me, it's gonna be valuable for everyone. And that's not just a sell, it's just we put a lot of fucking effort into this thing and it's good. Some of my some of my students, ⁓ really docs that have been training with me for a long time, they've watched it and they're like, Bro, now I can like bring the seminar home with me. I can rewind and watch the micro-tuning over and over and over again, and it's helping people get a lot better really quickly. So That's $555 and you get full access to the school community. I cannot give a discount because there's no discounts for school. ⁓ and also I don't feel bad not giving a discount because it's well worth way more than $555. We priced it as not a super cheap low entry point because I want people that want mastery in it, but we also priced it so that even a student can afford this, right? ⁓ seminars, modules. Give, do, love, serve, abundance. I want to see chiroprad to get better and I don't want it to be about me. ⁓ I'm I'm I'm it's just not about me, man. Nick Harvey: I love it. And if if you're listening to this, you should definitely jump on coming to Mother Mastery when Dylan's back in Australia, checking out the modules. I know myself, I have worked with him and it's been phenomenal. He's a a great teacher and and most importantly a great human too. So I appreciate all you do. I appreciate your time today and and and jumping on the podcast as well and being authentic and sharing your message and story. ⁓ and I know we're gonna sit down and do this again in the future and and go even deeper. So I appreciate having you here, brother. It's been great. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Dude, thank you so much. What a fun conversation. ⁓ man, you really pulled some stuff out of me. I had nothing planned for this and that was just Yeah. Thanks, dude. I love you, man. I miss you. I miss you. I'm glad you're doing well. Nick Harvey: You're welcome. Love you too, man. Love you too. You too. You too. All right. We'll talk soon. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: All right, until next time or until I see you ⁓ in Australia. Nick Harvey: Thanks, guys. Dr. Dyllon Mawn: Peace.