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Meta User Data Solution?🚨Sui + Walrus INTERVIEW · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to get into an update on the
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  Speaker 1: Project Suite network. You guys, of course, have heard us
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  Speaker 1: talk about it a lot. I think you're gonna like it.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a special guest. Stay tuned right here. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Paul Berre. Welcome back in the tech path.
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  Speaker 1: which we've talked about quite a bit, is going to
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  Speaker 1: be joining us today. Goes right in line with some
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  Speaker 1: of the things that are happening kind of front of
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  Speaker 1: the news right now. We covered this topic yesterday and
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  Speaker 1: that was this one right here. If you guys haven't
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  Speaker 1: checked this video out, go watch it. But basically, what's
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  Speaker 1: happening right now is a lot of pressure on centralized
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  Speaker 1: social media platforms. Meta was on the grill yesterday and
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that we kind of recommended up
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  Speaker 1: was the idea of a much more secure privacy element
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  Speaker 1: layer to what's happening out there within social media that
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  Speaker 1: will be a big deal. And then sure enough Vitallic
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  Speaker 1: came in and put a statement in around the Ethereum
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  Speaker 1: Musician's website privacy of on chain payments, partial anonymization of
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  Speaker 1: on chain activity inside apps, which I think is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a big deal, and then privacy of reads
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  Speaker 1: to the chain, RPC calls, etc. And then network level anonymization.
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  Speaker 1: So the point being is that blockchain is now being
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  Speaker 1: looked at as we already know that could replace a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the problems that exists with social where it
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  Speaker 1: could decentralize it. And I know you guys are working
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  Speaker 1: on a project called Seal. Talk to me about how
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  Speaker 1: that could potentially be utilized and say, you know a
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  Speaker 1: social media that is decentralized.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, first of all, it is absolutely
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  Speaker 3: right that if we're serious about replacing a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the web to experiences people have with experiences where people
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  Speaker 3: have more control and you know, own their data, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: We also have to provide equivalent kind of privacy protections,
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  Speaker 3: like people are not comfortable doing everything in public, be
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  Speaker 3: payments or social activity or whatever. Right, So so this
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  Speaker 3: is very much on an intenda. Now seal is part
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  Speaker 3: part of the answer to that.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So seal offers the ability to actually interact with private
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  Speaker 3: data on blockchains, right, And what is the main problem
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  Speaker 3: right with private data on blockchains, right is you can
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  Speaker 3: always encrypt data, but then you actually have to do
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  Speaker 3: the key management and you actually have to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that the people who you want to be able to
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  Speaker 3: read the data are able to actually the keys to
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  Speaker 3: read the data. That's really the fundamental difficulty. It was
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  Speaker 3: just data for yourself, you'd encrypted the crypted, there would
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  Speaker 3: be no problem.
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  Speaker 4: But you want to share it, you want actually to
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  Speaker 4: be social.
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  Speaker 3: And this is really where seal comes in because what
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  Speaker 3: seal allows you to do is to encrypt data, but
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  Speaker 3: then define logic in smart contracts about who an under
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  Speaker 3: what condition has the ability to actually access the plane
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  Speaker 3: text the actual content of that data.
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  Speaker 2: So what does that allow you to do? Right? It
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  Speaker 2: allows you, for example, to encode your social.
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  Speaker 3: Graph on chain on suite and then say things like, well,
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  Speaker 3: only if someone is my friend so has a kind
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  Speaker 3: of an NFT denoting that is my friend, they're allowed
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  Speaker 3: to actually see the content.
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  Speaker 4: That post on my feet.
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  Speaker 2: Or you can say things.
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  Speaker 3: Like only if they pay ten US dollars for access
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  Speaker 3: to an article, then they get an NFT that allows
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  Speaker 3: them to read the articles that I post for a week.
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  Speaker 4: Or a month or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: So seal allows you that flexibility to you of accessing
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  Speaker 3: data and determine who can access the data through basically
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  Speaker 3: logical chain, which really bridges the gap between privacy and blockchains.
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  Speaker 1: So, George, when you look at rolling something out like this,
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  Speaker 1: because it looks as though we're going to see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of need in the space right now, we've talked
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit about TikTok, the likelihood of that becoming
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  Speaker 1: a US company that's going to need a new technology stack.
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  Speaker 1: I know Frank McCord and his team have been thinking
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  Speaker 1: blockchain for quite a while. How quickly would cl be
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  Speaker 1: available to deploy and actually go out and start doing
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  Speaker 1: some of the jobs that are needed, especially of this
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  Speaker 1: Web two to Web three transition.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty quickly, I would say, in the grand
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  Speaker 3: scheme of things. So I kind of test that version
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  Speaker 3: of it is already available today, so you can go
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  Speaker 3: on the sweet test that it is augumented with key
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  Speaker 3: servers that understand the Seal protocol, and you can already
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  Speaker 3: start programming and trying it out. And our plan is
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  Speaker 3: to release it in a net version on the Suite
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  Speaker 3: main net for prime operations over the summer. So it
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  Speaker 3: should actually be a relatively short turnaround at least for
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  Speaker 3: some initial experiences to use technologies like Seal.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so quick to the market, which is good. And
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  Speaker 1: for you guys listening in right now. I know sometimes
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  Speaker 1: when we get engineers on some of this stuff can
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit complicated, but really what is required
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  Speaker 1: if you think of this almost like SSL privacy within
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  Speaker 1: Web two that has been the problem with Web three
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  Speaker 1: and the idea around blockchain. Blockchain of course very open,
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  Speaker 1: very transparent. If you understand how to track addresses and wallets,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of can paint pictures out there. So I
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  Speaker 1: think this is a solution that definitely is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a big one. Another one that you guys are
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  Speaker 1: working on is Walrus. To me, this is the killer
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  Speaker 1: app of suite because I look at this and I think, man,
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  Speaker 1: when you compare what we need right now in terms
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  Speaker 1: of storage, just the ability, it's a good example of
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  Speaker 1: are we file coin eat storage, et cetera. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: why do you think that those other projects did not
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  Speaker 1: go the route you guys went in terms of real
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  Speaker 1: storage online and how it can be used within the blockchain.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so just for the you know, for the benefit
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  Speaker 3: of your audience, right, Walrus is a decentralized storage network.
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  Speaker 3: As it turns out, you can store a few things
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  Speaker 3: on a blockchain, but they're very small things. You cannot
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  Speaker 3: put pictures, you cannot put brand news, you cannot put
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  Speaker 3: big web pages or anything like that. So Walrus is
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  Speaker 3: a system that allows you to put in a deessentialized
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  Speaker 3: network like a blockchain, these bigger things. So then you
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  Speaker 3: can actually have rich media experiences on you know, the web.
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  Speaker 3: Three effectively, you can host whole websites. You can host images,
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  Speaker 3: the videos, or the assets sometimes that are digital behind
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  Speaker 3: you know, some some NFTs. So why is Walrus different?
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  Speaker 3: And I would even dare say better than than previous systems, right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, we learned a lot from
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  Speaker 3: how previous systems did a lot of the things they did,
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  Speaker 3: and previous systems had a fundamental limitation, which is that
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  Speaker 3: they were building on the blockchain technology of the time,
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  Speaker 3: I would say, right, So, so they came along with
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  Speaker 3: the first kind of generation of blockchains, and they had
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  Speaker 3: some of the limitations of these first generation of blockchains.
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  Speaker 3: Lower through put, you know, lower finality time to actually
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  Speaker 3: do anything on the chain, and higher costs. Most most importantly, Right,
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  Speaker 3: we built Warrus quite differently.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So, instead of building a whole.
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  Speaker 3: Web chain from scratch, we largely used Suite as a
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  Speaker 3: blockchain to coordinate all the activities of the Warriors network
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  Speaker 3: storage nodes. Right, so all the teconomics are on SWEE,
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  Speaker 3: all of the life cycle of you know, the files
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  Speaker 3: you upload, they're all they're all on sweet and you
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  Speaker 3: can interact with them with.
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  Speaker 4: Smart contracts, which is pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: You can build very complex things there.
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  Speaker 3: And then the only job we had, which is a
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  Speaker 3: simpler job that every competitor had to do, is to
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  Speaker 3: just find a very efficient way.
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  Speaker 4: Of storing files on storage notes.
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  Speaker 3: All of the management is already done, so the question
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  Speaker 3: is how do you storage on storage notes and we
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  Speaker 3: hyper specialize on solving that problem, and we find some
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  Speaker 3: very good solutions that make it much cheaper to store
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  Speaker 3: a file on Walters than on alternative solutions, while at
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  Speaker 3: the same time maximizing you know, how resilient that file
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  Speaker 3: is to failures. So up to about a third to
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  Speaker 3: two thirds of storage nodes on the waters networks can
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  Speaker 3: completely disappear and you're still able to retriat your files.
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  Speaker 3: That's much superior to most competitors out there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and also in looking at how you guys are
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  Speaker 1: doing this, you know, from an architecture standpoint, I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's very early obviously for Wallers right now, I know,
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  Speaker 1: it gets just released. I was looking at Wallers scan
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  Speaker 1: right here showing the number of projects that are being stored.
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  Speaker 1: But also here you've got websites that are actually posting
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  Speaker 1: on Walrus right now. How is this done? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: can anyone host a website on there, even if it's
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  Speaker 1: a Web two design site, or does it require a
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  Speaker 1: special component for integration into Walrus?
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  Speaker 2: No? Absolutely, you're right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the killer app of the Internet is the web,
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  Speaker 3: right so it was a very natural thing for us
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  Speaker 3: once we created a system to store bigger things, right,
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  Speaker 3: pictures and you know, web pages, et cetera, to actually
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  Speaker 3: allow anyone with a web browser to be able to
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  Speaker 3: access them. Right, And what happens when you actually go
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  Speaker 3: to a website that is hosted on Walrus. Traditionally, when
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  Speaker 3: you go to a website, you put basically the address
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  Speaker 3: of the website on your bar, or you click a link,
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  Speaker 3: and then it goes to a single machine that hosts
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  Speaker 3: these images in these pages and gets them and brings
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  Speaker 3: them to your browser.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's traditionally.
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  Speaker 4: What happens when you access a website with warrus sites.
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  Speaker 3: What happens is your browser goes to a gateway that
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  Speaker 3: then reads directly from Walrus and then basically sends you.
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  Speaker 4: Back the web pages that are rendered as a normal website.
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  Speaker 3: But the interesting thing is that anyone can run a
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  Speaker 3: gateway like that.
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  Speaker 2: You can even run your own local gateway.
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  Speaker 3: Which means that these websites are extremely resilient to a
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  Speaker 3: particular piece of infrastructure falling down or a particular provider,
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  Speaker 3: you know, suppressing them. Now, how can you actually make
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  Speaker 3: your own website that lives on Walrus.
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  Speaker 2: It's very simple. We have a side builder tool.
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  Speaker 3: You point it to a directory full of your normal
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  Speaker 3: kind of like HDDP files and images and web resources,
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  Speaker 3: and boom, there will be a website in there. You
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  Speaker 3: then go and buy a Sweetens name and you point
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  Speaker 3: to it and now everybody can basically access it for
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: someone who's technically savvy. It's an operation that takes about
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: half an hour to learn how to do this thing
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  Speaker 3: and then a few seconds to do well.
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  Speaker 1: And I think with this solve some of the issues
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  Speaker 1: of DNS attacks, you know, when you look at the
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  Speaker 1: structure right now of what's happening on web too. And
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  Speaker 1: the challenge that I think a lot of websites that
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  Speaker 1: end up getting to be very popular is they can
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  Speaker 1: you know, essentially be attacked, you know, from a variety
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  Speaker 1: of reasons. But DNS attacks are pretty common. What about that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we would like the technology stack behind Swedtenness and
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  Speaker 3: Warriors and sweet to be used for these purposes. I
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  Speaker 3: cannot say that right now all the functionalities are there
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  Speaker 3: to prevent all of these attacks, but there is something
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  Speaker 3: quite groundbreaking if you want, right you mentioned to your
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  Speaker 3: viewers earlier about TLSSSL, like the little lot that you
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  Speaker 3: have when you're in crin you know, your communications.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what does that do?
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  Speaker 3: Actually, it certifies that you're talking to the right party
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  Speaker 3: on the Internet and it's the one that is giving
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  Speaker 3: you basically the web pages that you can see. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't actually tell you anything about whether that party gives
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  Speaker 3: you the right web page or the same web page
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  Speaker 3: that it gives to someone else. Right now, the promise
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  Speaker 3: of technologies like lack wolverus sites is that once you
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  Speaker 3: basically start accessing a side, you know exactly what you're
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  Speaker 3: meant to be receiving. There is a very high degree
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  Speaker 3: of authenticity of all the data as well as integrity
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  Speaker 3: of all the data, so you know both you know
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  Speaker 3: what you're expected to access and who was expected to
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  Speaker 3: actually upload it and attest that it was correct. So,
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  Speaker 3: in theory there is the potential to have a much
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  Speaker 3: more high security kind of experience because now you are
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  Speaker 3: able as a browser in theory at least to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that you are displaying exactly the thing that the
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  Speaker 3: publisher intended to display. Now, sadly, modern browsers don't do
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  Speaker 3: these checks because they're not aware of Walrus facilities to
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  Speaker 3: do that. But one can foresee other browser extensions or
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  Speaker 3: browsers of the future that really take into consideration this
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  Speaker 3: and indeed eliminate a large number of attacks that include
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  Speaker 3: intermedia is effectively injecting malicious pages and trying to fish
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  Speaker 3: you or trying yeah leave you.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I see the use case of Web three.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's very early right now, I think for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, they understand our show is really about
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  Speaker 1: this cutting and bleeding edge technology that's being advanced forward
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  Speaker 1: right now in Web three and blockchain. But I do agree.
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  Speaker 1: I'm now we're finally seeing, at least in this last
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  Speaker 1: twelve to eighteen months, finally seeing some real solutions that
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  Speaker 1: could be utilized to help leverage where we are today
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  Speaker 1: in Web two to where we could be, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in Web three in the next three to five years.
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  Speaker 1: I think the reality is now here. Let's talk quickly
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  Speaker 1: about some of the partnerships that you guys have implemented.
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  Speaker 1: Clanosaurs which is a Salana project joined you guys and
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  Speaker 1: Clanosaur's huge NFT. They're doing a maint launch with you guys.
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  Speaker 1: If you guys don't know much about the Clanosaur's brand,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: we've done a handful of videos on it, so you
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  Speaker 1: can search just Clanosaurs on our channel. But this in
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  Speaker 1: itself is a pretty big win for Suite and Walrus.
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  Speaker 1: You think we're going to see a lot more projects
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  Speaker 1: coming this way in terms of being able to host
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  Speaker 1: NFT projects.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, But first of all, we are delighted to be
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  Speaker 3: partnered with Clinosaurus. It's a very interesting set of collections
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  Speaker 3: that they have, and you know, it's a very popular project,
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  Speaker 3: and really their partnership with Walrus illustrates the fact that
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  Speaker 3: Walrus is an infrastructure for the.
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  Speaker 4: Whole web three.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, in many ecosystems, from the ethereum ecosystem or
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  Speaker 3: the saline ecosystem or the Cosmos ecosystem, there is a
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  Speaker 3: need to actually store bigger chunks of data if you want,
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  Speaker 3: with the same guarantees that you would if you were
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  Speaker 3: storing them on a blockchain. And this is true for
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: NFD content chain history that has to basically be there
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  Speaker 3: worlded in purposes or actually the front end of gaps
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  Speaker 3: that take the form of websites, right, and Warus really
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  Speaker 3: is there to serve the whole community. It's not just
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  Speaker 3: a sweet only project. Projects from other ecosystems are very welcome,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, we build for that per to actually
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  Speaker 3: use words to store their assets securely.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be I think it will start
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  Speaker 1: to open up an opportunity, especially if you look at
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  Speaker 1: someone like the Clanosaur's team understanding the use case of this,
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  Speaker 1: it could really go mainstream, especially as NFTs get a
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: little bit more integrated. It seems like it's unlimited in
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: terms of what the opportunity is for walras here. This
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: is going to be interesting to watch just the growth
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: of where this is going, and also I think the
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: creative nature of what we're seeing now starting to utilize
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: the tool set. Let's talk about Sweetplay. It's over nine
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  Speaker 1: thousand now on the pre orders. That's significant to me.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I look at this where the gaming market is going,
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  Speaker 1: what we will most likely see in terms of cloud
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: gaming that's happening now we're seeing a lot more of that,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: the potential of that. And now you've got a little
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: bit of a challenge within some of the importers that
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  Speaker 1: come into the US. I mean, there may be an
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  Speaker 1: opening here. What can you tell me about sweet Play
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the roadmap, How are you guys progressing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So you know, to us, sweet play is super important
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  Speaker 3: because it's very nice to have a surface that is
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  Speaker 3: native of Web three.
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  Speaker 2: I think that this is the most important thing to
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  Speaker 2: get out of it. Right.
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  Speaker 3: It's one thing to put Web three components in projects
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  Speaker 3: that they always feel, you know, a little bit added on, right,
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  Speaker 3: whereas sweet Play for us is a device that really
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  Speaker 3: was built from the ground up to really take, you know,
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  Speaker 3: advantage of the affordances that that Web three provides.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean.
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  Speaker 3: It means that suddenly payments are going to basically be
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  Speaker 3: within the ecosystem of Web three. But also it means
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  Speaker 3: that you know, reward schemes will be in the confines
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  Speaker 3: of Web three. The experiences people will be able to
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  Speaker 3: access are within now the s of Web three and
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  Speaker 3: everything we've been picturing, but also speaking about social and
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  Speaker 3: speaking also about the Walrus component, right, it means that
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  Speaker 3: user data now can actually take advantage of these essentialized
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  Speaker 3: stores and finally actually being under the control of users.
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  Speaker 3: And similarly, you know, we can use our encryption technologies
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  Speaker 3: that are compatible with A three, such as seal et cetera,
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  Speaker 3: to give users these options.
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  Speaker 2: So to us, it's a surface.
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  Speaker 3: For incredible experimentation about what you can do if you
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: were to reinvent some of these experiences as being native
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: effectively of the industry we want to see to see grow, right,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: So that's to us, you know, the opportunity here and
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: how we were thinking.
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  Speaker 2: About the roadmap.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Now, the specifics are still going to be unveiled over
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: the next few weeks. I invite actually everybody to come
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: to base Camp, which is in Dubai.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: It's a big annual.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Event where much more will be unveiled about the future
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: of sweeplay as well as its relationship with other projects.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: So yes, to be determined a little bit when we
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: go next in the details there.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the sweet play updated video, so this
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: really kind of gives you guys an insight to it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: We've covered this device a little bit. When will shipping
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: start to take place on this unit?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not actually sure to what extent we have announced
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the date yet, so I'll have to get back to
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: you on the exact timeline.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, that I think is going to be
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: an exciting rollout for you guys. Hopefully things will get
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: rolling over there at base Camp. We'll learn a little
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: bit more about what's going on with some of the
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: gaming ecosystems wall rest of course, I like the fact
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: that it's integrated into this where it has the potential
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  Speaker 1: to maybe scale in some other ways, especially on the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: gaming side of things, which could open up things. I'm
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: also seeing the potential of maybe loyalty platforms that could
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: eventually utilize something like wallrs for being all of the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: store stuff. So a lot of opportunity out there, George
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: right now. For sure, it has been great having you on.
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