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INTERVIEW: Shyne Talks 25th-Anniversary Album Tour, Diddy Doc, Belize + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day, wake up the Breakfast Club, finish for y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Done morning.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is d j Envy, Charlamagne the gud. We are
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  Speaker 1: the breakfast Club. I want to that warning. Everybody is
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  Speaker 1: d j Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: the breakfast Club. Law La roses here as well, and
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  Speaker 1: we got a special guest in the building. We have Sean.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome brother, Good morning, good morning. How you feeling.
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  Speaker 1: I am cold, cold man.
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  Speaker 2: No, I am Beliez. And this is why when I
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  Speaker 2: was here the last time, I was talking about how
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: much Belieze is paradise. And this really underpins why I
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: believe it is paradise. Where you care from Sean?
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Did you forget them cold Brooklyn days and nights and
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  Speaker 1: waiting for the bus and taking the dollar?
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  Speaker 2: This is this is beyond brick. Nothing. Nothing existed when
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  Speaker 2: I was in Brooklyn at this level.
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  Speaker 3: E've never been seven degrees shot.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: You went to school in snow we're now if it
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  Speaker 1: is canceled.
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  Speaker 2: School snowing, But I don't remember it being this brick.
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  Speaker 2: Oh maybe you know there's a lot of traumas I've
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  Speaker 2: you know, buried some of those memories but I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember being this call.
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  Speaker 1: Well let's start off with saying congratulations. You're about to
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  Speaker 1: celebrate the twenty fifth anniversary of the Shine album, and
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  Speaker 1: you also have the twenty fifth anniversary world tour, with
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  Speaker 1: New York being the first stop.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. The Shine album came out September
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  Speaker 2: twenty six, two thousand, so we're in the year of
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  Speaker 2: the celebration. It was this September twenty sixth that passed, right.
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  Speaker 2: But I was working out my work status here because
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  Speaker 2: the last time I was here, I was here as
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  Speaker 2: the leader of the opposition, if I recalled. So I
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  Speaker 2: was here as a diplomat. But then I had to transition,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a workers. I wasn't able to come earlier
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  Speaker 2: to start the tour, but you know, we started all
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  Speaker 2: of that out and yeah, so now we're gonna perform
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  Speaker 2: and celebrate the album, you know, which was a very
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  Speaker 2: special album to me, very special album to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people throughout the United States and throughout the world.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I was at the the Africa Awards in
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles over the weekend, so African American Film Critics Award,
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  Speaker 2: and so Ryan Coogler, who Obviously everybody knows who that is.
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  Speaker 2: Broke the records for most Oscar nominations for Sinners, so
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  Speaker 2: he was getting a bunch of awards, and so when
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  Speaker 2: I saw him, he was like, Yo, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: grew up to your music and he's from Oakland. But
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  Speaker 2: that just shows you the impact that the Shine album had.
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  Speaker 2: And I never got a chance to really, you know,
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  Speaker 2: even appreciate my career because the album came out September
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  Speaker 2: twenty six, two thousand and by March I was in captivity,
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  Speaker 2: so like five months.
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  Speaker 1: And you know that's I would love you to discuss, right,
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  Speaker 1: So of course that album came out and it was
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  Speaker 1: a huge album, right. You had Bad Boys, This Gangster Body,
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  Speaker 1: and Shine. Those were the singles off that album.
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  Speaker 2: Then you had songs like the Commission. You had songs
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  Speaker 2: like N word going. I would kind of change that chorus,
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  Speaker 2: but like Pharrell made that record, that's like one of
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  Speaker 2: my favorite records. When you hear me perform that at
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  Speaker 2: Kingstadar on May second, it's gonna be a movie. But
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  Speaker 2: records on the album.
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  Speaker 1: My question is you you were huge back then, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you got it locked up.
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  Speaker 2: You talked about it last.
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  Speaker 1: Time you heard the amount of time you spent and
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  Speaker 1: when you came out, you changed a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you talked about your change, and you know, you
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  Speaker 1: go to Jerusalem and you're reading the taur Rah and
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  Speaker 1: then you're getting into politics, right, and then you became
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  Speaker 1: the total opposite.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: And you know of who you were as a young man, right,
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  Speaker 1: at one time you were talking gangster ish and shooting
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  Speaker 1: and blowing people's heads off. And you talk about stories
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  Speaker 1: of you carrying guns, and I've heard stories about you
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  Speaker 1: and the bad Boys office carrying guns and pulling out
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  Speaker 1: all types of nines and blocks and all types of stuff, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you can't you changed totally change.
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  Speaker 2: You became.
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  Speaker 1: A gentleman that was speaking positivity, trying to instead of
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  Speaker 1: promote crime, you were against it. You were talking community,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get kids off the streets. But the lyrics
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  Speaker 1: back then twenty five years ago was still the lyrics
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years ago. So as shine to change, gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: how do you perform those records?
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  Speaker 2: I think you got to listen to those lyrics. If
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  Speaker 2: you listen to the America, I'm only what you made me, young,
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  Speaker 2: black crazy, Please save me. I'm dying inside. Can't you
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  Speaker 2: see it in my eyes? Maybe if you would teach
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  Speaker 2: me how to do a craft trade, I come off
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  Speaker 2: the corner, stop serving at yay, build schools instead of prison.
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  Speaker 2: I stop living the way that I'm living. That's that's poetry.
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  Speaker 2: That's me crying out for help. That applies today to
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  Speaker 2: the NBA Young Boys the same way it applied to
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  Speaker 2: Shine back. Then if you listen to you know what
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna do when it hit the fan. That's integrity,
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  Speaker 2: that's character. That's me talking about. You know, I'm telling
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  Speaker 2: my life story and saying that I abide by certain
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  Speaker 2: codes and I get my friends in trouble, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: being honest to who I am and trying to survive
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  Speaker 2: these streets. I don't think my album or my raps
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  Speaker 2: I would say. I know, We're never Quentin Tarantino or
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  Speaker 2: you know, violent rap. I was talking about my life.
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  Speaker 2: I was giving you a dissertation as to what I
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  Speaker 2: was going through. And if you listen carefully enough, I
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  Speaker 2: was always saying this is not what I want to do.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to escape this. But when you talk
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  Speaker 2: about the performance, people like Ryan Coogler and other people,
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  Speaker 2: regular people grew up to my music, and so it's
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  Speaker 2: a celebration of that. You know, maybe when I'm performing,
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  Speaker 2: there might be a few words that, you know, I'll
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  Speaker 2: let the audience say and I wouldn't say. But it's
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  Speaker 2: a celebration of the music, of the evolution and art
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  Speaker 2: is not to be condemned, right, But it's definitely not
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  Speaker 2: as much as what you're saying. If you listen to
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  Speaker 2: those those lyrics, it's really telling the story of you know,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen year old, nineteen year old that's trying to navigate
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  Speaker 2: the muddy waters of you know, what the system created.
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  Speaker 2: That's how I remember. And if you go lyric for lyrics,
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  Speaker 2: you'll find a lot of you know, please help me.
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  Speaker 2: This is not what I really want to do, but
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  Speaker 2: this is what I'm doing. I gotta defend myself, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta protect myself. That that was the energy that
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  Speaker 2: I was given.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not judging. Don't think I'm judging
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  Speaker 1: you because I grew up to this music. I played
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  Speaker 1: his music, I DJ his music. But it's always interesting
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  Speaker 1: when when I have somebody like yourself or even you know, Mace,
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  Speaker 1: because Mace was probably one of the first one that
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  Speaker 1: we seen do it where Mace's you know, talking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bullets hit off the car bling bling ding ding whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And then when he comes out as a pastor and
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  Speaker 1: then he comes back as a rapper, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: can he do those lyrics right? And it's not a judge.
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  Speaker 1: It's that when people see people change, they're for it.
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  Speaker 1: They agree with it all right. I agree with the
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  Speaker 1: change because some people don't have the balls to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Some people don't have the haven't evolved to do it.
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  Speaker 1: But then when they do it, it's like, that's a
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  Speaker 1: good thing. I understand why he did it, where he's
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  Speaker 1: going with it. But then when he goes back to
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  Speaker 1: the rap and it's like, well how do you go
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  Speaker 1: back and forth? And I'm like when I hear rappers like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, fuck y'all niggas, hope you die slow death
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  Speaker 1: as I coke tested the Lord's protests, can't fuck with
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  Speaker 1: you week rap niggas with your gay ass raps running
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  Speaker 1: around talking this and that, I'm like, how does shine
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  Speaker 1: do that? You know what I mean? But then on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of like please to my friends that
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  Speaker 1: believe you know, I'm trying to get the kids like
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  Speaker 1: I just and I'm not judging.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just out here, but I think I think creativity.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking about that in the green room. Creativity
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  Speaker 2: is not as simple as you know you just read it.
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  Speaker 2: That's a that's a poem. That's a work of art
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  Speaker 2: that people love, and this is a celebration of that.
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  Speaker 2: And even in my evolved state, I still help artists
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  Speaker 2: and believe and I still support artists, you know, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's Offset or Quavo, Push your Tea or all these
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  Speaker 2: young kids that I see and I run into them
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  Speaker 2: and we talk and I inspire them. I'm not here
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  Speaker 2: to tell them, you know, well you shouldn't rap like
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  Speaker 2: this or you should rap like that. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my creative expressions should be studied in Harvard, should be
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  Speaker 2: in the museum, then shrining in history. So it's not
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  Speaker 2: something that I'm ashamed of. That was a young shine,
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  Speaker 2: That's how he felt, that's what he was going through,
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  Speaker 2: and he expressed himself. And so celebrating that expression. This
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  Speaker 2: is not for you know, a twelve year old kid
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  Speaker 2: or a thirteen year old kid to come to my concert.
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  Speaker 2: You know, these are adults that are going to be
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  Speaker 2: in the room celebrating that body of work. Now now,
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  Speaker 2: now if you're asking me about my new album, that's
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  Speaker 2: not what I'm going to be saying. I would hope not'ing,
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  Speaker 2: but but I think I think I think it would
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  Speaker 2: be it would be very unfair to deprive uh, you
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  Speaker 2: know people that loved that body of work, correct from
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  Speaker 2: that celebration. And as I said, there's a way for
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  Speaker 2: me to do it, right, I don't. I don't. I
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  Speaker 2: don't necessarily need to. You know, there's there's crowd participation, right,
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  Speaker 2: so I could you know who want.
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  Speaker 1: To you know what I mean, what type of what
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  Speaker 1: type of brothers in the street?
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  Speaker 2: I thank you, thank you? Lrden.
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  Speaker 4: I mean MV has a point though, I mean, but
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  Speaker 4: I think you probably got a lot of this even
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  Speaker 4: before this tour when you I mean just as a politician.
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  Speaker 4: Now with people.
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  Speaker 2: Performed, since we've seen them. So the great thing is
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  Speaker 2: to wait and see what is Sean gonna do? Is
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  Speaker 2: he going to say this the album we saw you
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  Speaker 2: in a suit?
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  Speaker 1: Can't come?
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  Speaker 2: Can I hold on? Hold on? Hold on, my good brother,
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  Speaker 2: hold on? Who did it? Who's the first one to
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  Speaker 2: do it? With the fitted fitted going in the court
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  Speaker 2: with the Gucci suit with the time come on, come on,
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  Speaker 2: come on, envy right and look at look at look
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  Speaker 2: at my brother again. Jeez, I just saw jiz at
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  Speaker 2: ar Basle. But GZ performs his residency right now and right.
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  Speaker 2: This is hip hop. There's no there's no one way
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  Speaker 2: to be hip hop. And then, you know, I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: the question, but I go back to you with the
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  Speaker 2: dexterity and the color of hip hop. Hip hop has
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  Speaker 2: always been so multifaceted and multi layered. Where Jay Z
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  Speaker 2: would be wearing you know, his best suit in corporate America,
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  Speaker 2: but then still be talking about, you know, all the
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  Speaker 2: drugs that he was trafficking. Right, it was like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: you can't be in corporate America with the Doug Morrises
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  Speaker 2: and the Sylvia Roons and you know whoever else and
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  Speaker 2: talk about drug trafficking. No, hip hop always breaks the
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  Speaker 2: rules because hip hop is an expression of art and
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  Speaker 2: there's no right or wrong way to do art. And
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  Speaker 2: so the twenty fourth anniversary towards a celebration of that art,
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  Speaker 2: and there'll be a way to do that. To be
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  Speaker 2: honest to who I am today.
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  Speaker 1: What changed your mind? I think last time you were
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  Speaker 1: up here, you were like, you weren't thinking about performing,
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  Speaker 1: and you said, the only time that you think you
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  Speaker 1: would perform is if it was like a Grammys or
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  Speaker 1: a BT and they were showing you love, and that
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  Speaker 1: you weren't interested in performing. What changed your mind?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, twenty five years is as a milestone. People
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  Speaker 2: don't really get to celebrate a twenty fifth anniversary and
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  Speaker 2: still be relevant twenty five years later. And also I'm
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: no longer in the House of Representatives, so my focus
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: shifted somewhat. I'm still focused on becoming the next Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister of believe. At some point I had a twenty
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  Speaker 2: thirty agenda and some way ahead a schedule on that.
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  Speaker 2: I still focus on helping the people in Mesopotamia, which
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  Speaker 2: is a constituency I used to represent. But when I
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  Speaker 2: lost my seat, you know, I had a few things
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  Speaker 2: that I'd been delaying due to being an legislator. So
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: now I'm involved in real estate development for tourism and belieze.
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  Speaker 2: I get to finish my memoir, God bless you. I
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  Speaker 2: have film projects to do, like I have a lot
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  Speaker 2: to do that I couldn't do because I was in
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  Speaker 2: the legislator and I'm one of those people that's singular
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  Speaker 2: obsessed with whatever it is I am doing. And I
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  Speaker 2: just didn't feel comfortable focusing much on the creative as
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  Speaker 2: I did when I was in the legislator. Now I'm not,
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  Speaker 2: so I have a couple of years before the next
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  Speaker 2: election to do this. And this is not random. It's
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  Speaker 2: my twenty fifth anniversary. I'm not gonna be able to
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  Speaker 2: celebrate my twenty fifth anniversary ever again. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: great way to celebrate twenty five years upshine the first
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  Speaker 2: album and to create new music.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's dope because I mean, I'm from
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  Speaker 1: New York, so I remember the impact that record had
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  Speaker 1: on New York. Yeah, but I also feel a little
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  Speaker 1: bad for you as well, right, And I say that
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  Speaker 1: is when that album came out, I don't think you
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  Speaker 1: ever got a chance to enjoy it because at that
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  Speaker 1: same time, you were on court and you never got
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  Speaker 1: a chance to go to it because you went you
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  Speaker 1: got locked up, So you never got a chance to
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the fruits of your labor during that time.
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  Speaker 2: October November, December, pick jewelry, January, ready for trial February,
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  Speaker 2: convicted March sixteenth. So I think not just me, but
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  Speaker 2: the people that love the music never got the chance
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  Speaker 2: to celebrate it. So this is really a celebration, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna bring some special guests to help me celebrate.
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  Speaker 2: From the hip hop world, from the dancehall world. It's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be incredible.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you say to people?
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  Speaker 2: Last question on it?
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  Speaker 1: What do you say to people that say, shy? Is
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: this about the money?
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  Speaker 2: Money? No, that's that's irrelevant. That's not a don't you
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  Speaker 2: don't take these steps in life just to get a check.
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  Speaker 2: I've been good. I spent millions of dollars in believe
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  Speaker 2: in politics, and that's how I became the leader of
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  Speaker 2: the opposition. Inconsequential, you know, you just gotta do things,
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  Speaker 2: which is in line with what I had said to you.
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  Speaker 2: It would have to be something special, and so this
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  Speaker 2: is specially The twenty fourth anniversary is special. The albums
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  Speaker 2: that I'm gonna come out with are attached. I think
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  Speaker 2: if you go back to that interview, I mentioned it
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  Speaker 2: that I would do albums that were attached to the
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: film projects. So I never put out the album for
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  Speaker 2: the Honorable Shine documentary. So that's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: specially curated album. Then I have the TV series, the
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Bio TV series about my life that's another album. Then
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: we have the motion picture that's the final album. And
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: then I would by that time be ready for the elections.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, what should I do? Should I just
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: sit around for three years and not do anything? Like
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  Speaker 2: what you mentioned? Is the furthest thing from my mind.
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  Speaker 2: It's just how do I spend my time? And what
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: have I been neglecting? What have I not been doing
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  Speaker 2: that I could do? You know, when you think about
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: all that I've been through politically, been through a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I'm writing a book on that. You know. There was
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  Speaker 2: a coup in my party. You know, they try to
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  Speaker 2: overthrow throw me. They broke all types of laws. I
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: had to take them to court like it was. That
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: was a movie within itself, and so I lost my
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: seat because I took all that I had and gave
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: it to my colleagues, because I was a leader, so
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I had, I took, and I took what I thought
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: was enough for myself. But I made sure because in
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Belize parliamentary system of governance, you can't become prime minister
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  Speaker 2: unless you have a majority of the seats in the
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  Speaker 2: House of Representatives and as the leader, you're responsible for
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: getting everyone to sixteen. So we need sixteen seats. So
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I made a promise. I'm their leader. We're in the battlefield.
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  Speaker 2: It's bad, we're all about to go down, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna you know, turn around and be like all right,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: well let's get in the tank and you know they
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: gonna figure it out. I made sure everybody had tanks
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: and I made sure everyone was good. So that was
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  Speaker 2: a lot. So now as I catch my breath and
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I think about, you know, what to do next, I'm
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: grateful for my own sanity and for you know, my
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: emotional stability, spirituality, that I have something to do, which
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: is incredible. To be able to celebrate my twenty fifth anniversary,
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  Speaker 2: to make new projects, to being you know, to be
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  Speaker 2: able to go to California and go to doctor Dre's
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  Speaker 2: house and and you know, to go in the studio
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  Speaker 2: and for him to play beats for me. That's that's
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  Speaker 2: a blessing. That's a miracle. Like a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: can't go to California and get in front of Dreg.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, So so like that's where I'm at with
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  Speaker 2: with with my art and what I'm doing now in
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: life and as I said, the the projects to the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: real estate projects, you know, being able to work with
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: somebody like Don Pooh, you know, Robert Cummins, you know
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Brooklyn chophouse, to open a Brooklyn chophouse and believe with
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: a resort, uh you know like so, so I have
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of blessings, very fortunate, and I never shied
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: away from who I was as an entertainer. I reject
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the idea that, oh well, if you're an entertainer, just
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: being entertainer, just being be an athlete, you know, you
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be involved in politics. I'm not going to get
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: involved in American politics. That's y'all. That's y'all's problem or
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: or or whatever it is. But I just believe that
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: hip hop is so diverse and we could do anything.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: You know, we were or are fashion designers, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: movie producers, restaurant tears, hoteliers like that's just that's always
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: been a hip hop.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: So speaking of our problem, or do you ask citizenship
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: in the US or is that you ain't even right
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: about it?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: No more. I'm I'm a one worker, so shordinary ability worker.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: So I have visa as an one stordinary ability worker,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: so I could live and work in the United States.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay. And then when you a couple of months
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: ago tease the show you're for your twenty fifth anniversary,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you get it at a world to us.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: So are we getting as Yeah, yeah, yeah we You know,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Brooklyn is special, so we start there and then we're
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: going to announce the rest of the days, all right,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And you know, incredibly Kingstadre I grew up
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: blocks away, literally five blocks away from Kings Theatre when
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: we first came to Brooklyn. When we first immigrated to Brooklyn,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: we immigrated the Church Avenue in East eighteenth Street, which
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: is like up the street from kingstad So you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I had other offers, live nation, different people, but King
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Stadar is special, so it's going to be real special.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And this is what I'm saying for me, you know
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: when you ask the question, like that's the furthest thing, Like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm in an elevated place, made money of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: trying to keep you know, my mind, my spirit, my focus,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: and these things are blessings. To go from not being
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: able to come to the United States for all those years.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Then I came as a diplomat, and I took my
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: diplomat responsibility serious, so I wasn't so definitely when you
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: were asking me about I'm focused on the legislature, right,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: So I was on that. And then when I lost,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the government took away my diplomatic passport and didn't even
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: give me time to transition into my work visa, maybe
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: thinking that because of the climate, I wouldn't have been
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: able to get a visa. So even people were praying that,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: you know, I just being believed in the drain somewhere
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: washed up. So to be able to return, you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: as an old one extraordinary ability a visa worker, you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: is a blessing. You know, it really is a blessing
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to be able to return after all this time and
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to celebrate with people who love shine and love the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Shine legacy.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: There's so much conversation right now around like immigration and
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: all these things for people who don't understand, like the
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: visa process when you're a diplomat, and would they require
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: of you, like how all that works.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I just break it down a bit.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Well that's a bit different than the one visa, So
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a diplomatic visa, it's still not guaranteed. Uh, The Homeland
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Security and Department of State, and the President was the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: ultimate boss. They can, you know, revoke anyone's visa. They
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: can deny anyone's visa. Not because you're a diplomat. They'll
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: give you a visa. You know, if you're a diplomat
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: that's involved in corruption and you know you're a threat
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: to national security of the United States. I know, I
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: know people in government right now in Belize and in
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: other countries who can't come to the States even though
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: they are a diplomat. So that in itself was a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: great thing for me because obviously, you know, the United
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: States looked at me as a legitimate partner that they
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: had confidence in. So that was great, but it's never guaranteed.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: So now as a worker again, it shows that all
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: that I've done throughout the last you know, twenty something years,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: twenty seven years since I was incarcerated, sixteen years i
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: was deported, the rehabilitation, transformation, contributions to my community and
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: believes and the contributions here in the States, you know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the partnerships that I've developed with Democrats and Republicans when
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I was here as a diplomat. You know, my good
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: friend Representative Ja Moore from South Carolina invited me to
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the house in South Carolina and that's a Republican house,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and they, you know, recognized me in the house and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I met with you know, the speaker of the house
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: was a Republican, you know, the leader of the Republicans
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: down there, and I've developed relationships you know, with both
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: because I believe that's important for beliefs, and so all
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: these things play a part in when they're looking at,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: you know, what you're coming here to do, because you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I don't, as I said, I don't want to get
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: into the politics of immigration, but I could understand that
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: there are concerns about what people are going to come
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: here and do. That's a valid concern.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: But you you were a convicted of convicted fellat here
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: in the States. Was it difficult to get your visa
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: back here? When it's not diplomatic because usually when people
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: are are convicted, even if it's a small crime, is
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: other places.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: This is what this is what I'm telling you. The
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: it's been a long process. So it's been uh sixteen
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: or seventeen years since I've been deported. So the way
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the immigration laws work is, uh, there is a waiver process.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So this is not unique to Shine. Anyone that was
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: convicted unless it was murder or torture or you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: terrorists activity, anyone can get a waiver, but it's discretionary.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: And that's why I was explaining to you the way
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I conducted myself when I was coming here. It's not
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: like I was coming here and I was taking advantage
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: of taking the opportunity for granted. I built relationships. You know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I gave speeches, you know, promoting belize us relations and
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you know, I was a positive role model and I
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: continue to be a positive role model even after I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: lost my seat. Uh you know, but so so I
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: made I made the case and I am an extraordinary
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: ability worker. You know, I was nominated for Grammys, I
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: won Grammy, you know, sold over forty million records and
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I'm still relevant. I put out a number one documentary
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: with Walt Disney. You know, I got you know, distribution
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: deals with you know, the major record labels. Right, So yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it's it's a little bit different, right, But you know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to the person that's there that made a mistake, never
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: give up. And you know, you live your life and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: you rebuild yourself, you rehabilitate and you know there is
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: a waiver, right and you just have to have faith.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: And for those that have an opportunity to be here,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: you know, don't take it for granted because there are
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that were like this opportunity.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: What would you say to people and I've seen you
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: talk about, you know, your relationship or lack they're of
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: with Diddy, But what would you say to people who
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: feel like you're finally getting kind of like, I mean,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: the support that a lot of people didn't give you
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: back when the child was happening because Diddy was like
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: the mega superstar. But now people see him in a
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: different light, so people are more kind of open to
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: hearing anything that doesn't make him like this big, mega
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: perfect person.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Well, didd he's not really interrelated with anything that I'm
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: doing right now. I think that I've been able to
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: build my legacy and I've always had the support of
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the hip hop community. There was a point where, like
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the hip hop community, you remember, they kind of hated
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Diddy when I went away and they didn't want anything
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: to do with him. But you know, being the Charlottan,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: the very convincing person that he is, he knows how
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: to get everybody you know back in line. But I've
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: always had support, you know, throughout my incarceration. You know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: jay Z was coming to Rikers Island on the mayback,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you know when IRV God he God bless his soul,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: was at the height of his power and murder inc
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: they all came up there to try to sign me Nash.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: You know doctor Dre. I was just talking, uh to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: my guy Monie Helly, who was managing Keisha, Cole and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Future and a bunch of you know, superstars. But yeah,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: so he when he first discovered Keisha, it was between
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: him and Doctor Dre because Doctor Dre had this new
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: kid called the Game, and they wanted a verse from
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Shine and Manny, who I came up with Off flat Bush,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: my guy we started in the cradle. He wanted the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: record for his artists, but everybody wanted to Shine record,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: but it only could be one, and I gave it
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to Manny because of our brotherhood. So I wouldn't say that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: You know, people people always embrace Shine. And when I
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: came out, remember I did, I did. I did a
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: deal while I was away went number one again despite
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: remember and and you know I did the I don't
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: know if Double XL people remember Double XL the death
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: before the sign and cover and the most hip hop
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: most wanted cover, and I was always telling people who
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: did he But the irony, I guess, is just that, well,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: now you know every everything had everything, well everything has
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: collapsed and every and the curtain has been removed, and
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: now it's like it's, you know, irrefutable for most people
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: everything that I said back then, But then for me,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: it's like I'm gone. It's like you know Parrel and
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the clips, you know, respect to them on that great
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: album where you know that record where he says, I'm
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: so I'm so far gone, like I'm you know, as
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: soon as they wanted, I don't want it no more.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I'm somewhere else. So it's like for me, I'm not
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not there.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say glad right, well, are you
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: glad God sat you down when he did, seeing that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: everything that happened out of it, because you know, when
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: it happened, I know you probably was f the world.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: But now when you see all less, you think to yourself, damn,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I could have been maybe not part of it, but
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in the mix of it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I definitely wasn't going to be a part of
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: this part of.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: It, I said, and he makes it, you know, I mean,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you ever look back up like damn. Maybe that was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the reason why I sat down.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's tough, man. You know, all
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the pain that my mom been through. I wouldn't wish
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: incarceration on anybody. I don't wish that on Diddy. You know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I pray for him, but I don't want to take
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: away from from the victims in his case and the
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: justice that they want. But it's not something that you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I would ever wish on my worst enemy. So I definitely,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I'm just grateful to have been able to endure what
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: God had planned for me the journey and I made
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I made choices. I made a choice to defend myself,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: and that came with consequences. So I hope that I
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: could be a deterrent to young people out there and
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to people out there in general, think before you make
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a choice, or they're going to be consequences. I chose
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: to defend myself. I don't shy away from that. The
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: one of the people that were injured, she came forward
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, said, oh explicitly it was Diddy
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: that shot her, not Shine. If she would have said
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: that in two thousand and one, I would have probably
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: beat my case and and you know they would have
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: accepted my defense claim. But no, I could never say
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: that I'm glad that the difficult, painful things happened to me,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: but I am I'm grateful that I was able to
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: endure those difficulties because endurance is what leads to greatness.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: So anybody that's listening right now, and so many of
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: us are going through things at the Oscar level, at
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: the janitor level, at the intern level, whatever you're going through,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: if you can just endure, if you can just have
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: to stammina to keep going, the greatness is at the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: end of that journey.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: That was rumored that they asked you to be part
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: of the Diddy doc.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: You know, I saw I saw Alex that directed the film.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: That's her name.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know it was Alex because I heard
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Remember I hit you and I'm like, hey, what happened?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: And I told you I'm coming out with a new album,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: and you ain't say that. Listen. She wanted to scoop right,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, listen, you know I'm coming out with
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a new album, new to all that I'm thinking she
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: gonna go back. Well, Lissa Sean said he working on
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a new album, but he gonna, you know, pop up
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: on the stret I wanted you to say that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't know.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I thought you were saying that like when the time
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: is right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't know you wanted me to.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, you gotta.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Be specific with me. You got didn't reach out, but.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: She said she did. But I tell you that, I
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: tell you honestly, I'm so focused on me and believe
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and all the great things that are before me. Uh,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: if you look at it, when the things started happening
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to Diddy, I was never talking to the American media.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: There's this degenerate journalist and believe I won't mention his
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: name and give him any spotlight, but he's the one
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: that was working for my ops in my political party,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: trying to tear me down, and so he would always
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: come with these gotcha questions and want to incite and
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: want to, you know, paint me like I had. I
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: was incarcerated, I was deported. I had nothing to do
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: with with this. You know, this guy already ruined my life.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You're trying to ruin my life again. I had nothing
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to do with that, and so I would have to
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: as an elected official, I would have to answer those questions.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: But I never jumped into the situation. When it came
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: to the American media, so I would get, you know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: expressions of interest from NBC, ABC, CNN, TMZ, Wall Street Journal, everybody,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and I would decline because I just wasn't interested in
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: participating in that. So Alex says she did reach out
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: to me. She probably did, but I saw her congratulations her.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: She was nomine for a Director's Guild Award over the weekend,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: so I saw at the DJA ceremony congratulations to her.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't see the documentary, but I heard that its great,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: as powerful as this award winning worthy. I you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: they I heard I was in the documentary even though
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't speak. But obviously they told the truth about
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: what I've been saying, so nothing that I'm saying is
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: different than what I've said before. But I didn't watch
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: it because I I just that's my trauma. So so
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: without getting into what he did to Cassie and what
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: he did to all the other people that have accused him,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and I see that like, there's some people are saying, oh, well,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you know, well Cassie, Cassie wanted it all. Yeah, she
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: that's what she signed up for. You know, we all
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: can't be wrong, right, So it's like, I know what
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: he did to me as far as sending me to prison.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: He was one of the most powerful people in the world,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and he used his money and his power to make
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: sure that witnesses lied. People went in there not to
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: say listen, Sean was defending did he because we I
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: owned up to having the weapon. There was no dispute
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to that, but it was a matter of self defense,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and he had the power to make sure that if
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: people went in there, they told the truth, and Sean
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: was defending all of us. He didn't do that. He
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: said listen, somebody gotta go down. And he wasn't a gentleman.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: He didn't say listen, listen, cop out, or this is
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: how we're gonna do it. I'm gonna make sure family
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: good for life. You're good for life, but we need
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you to take this hit. No, he was like, you're
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: gonna take the hit because the DA was offered me
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: thirteen years so I couldn't even get a reasonable plea
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: and then I think the judge offered me like seven years.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: But I say all that to say what he did
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: to me, I would never do to another human being.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Worst thing in the world to send somebody to prison,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: So I could imagine all these other things that people
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: are saying. But his celebrity is so loud, was so loud,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: and you could still see it creeping in sometimes because
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: you see people come out and start attacking the victims.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: It was the same thing that kind of happened to me,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: where after a certain point people are like, shut up,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: we don't want to hear about that. You know, let's party,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: let's drink some rock. So I don't want to. I
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't even want to talk about that.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: But but but I respect my responsibility to you, to
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the audience, to you know, when you text me, I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: told you when I come up here, you can ask
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: me what.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: And that's why I didn't mention anything, because I felt
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: like it was unfair to bring you into that conversation
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: because we're reported on dating his documentary and it's like, oh,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: will shine in new music. So when you said you
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: were willing to come and talk, I was like, all right,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I make sure it happens so that you can have
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: your own conversation about Yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Good, I like, like, I do.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Have one more question. You want to kind of move
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: past that stuff. But I know when you dropped the
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: honorable Shine documentary, did his team has sent you that
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: he's in decision trying to stop it? Right?
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: They said that the Disney ain't no better than to
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: send me foolishness like that. But yeah, you know, congratulations
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: to my god Jason Adu over there at Disney and Scape.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: He was he got the Vanguard Award at the Africa ceremony. Yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: you know, the documentary was great, number one, one of
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: one of the most successful documentaries that Disney ever put out.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: And I told my story. I didn't tell the Diddy story,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: you know. Respect to Alex and and and to fifty,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you know, congratulations to them. That was the story that
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: that they told on behalf of the victims. And in
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: all fairness, I see a lot of people attacking fifty,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: trying to bastardize the legitimate pain and suffering of those victims.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: But without fifty, Alex might have had a hard time
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: with her project. And yes, the enemy of my enemy
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: is my friend. But you know, they did the same
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: thing to me. Everybody was like, yo, shut up, you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: let's drink the rock, right, Even people that respected me
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: and loved me, they was like, damn, Seane, you putting me,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: you know, like, Yo, Diddy's the man, he's Michael Jackson,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Like what you want us to do? Right? So I
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: feel the pain of the victims, Cassie in particular, and
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: everyone that went through what they went through. But I
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: didn't want to tell the Diddy story. So that's the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: beautiful thing about my documentary, the documentary The Honorable Shine.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, go see it on Hulu.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: That's the Shine story. And he just happens to be
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: a footnote in that because that's a part of the story.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: And Disney will tell you. I let them do what
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: they're supposed to do, because documentaries are supposed to have
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the utmost integrity, and I'm not supposed to be in
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: there saying, oh, I want this out, I want that in.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: And I was busy with the legislator, so I made
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: myself available. I opened up as much as I could
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: and provided my family, and I didn't see it until
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: it was done. Saw it twice so that's why I said,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: so if I only saw my own documentary twice, I'm
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: definitely not watching the Diddy documentary to traumatize myself. There's
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: nothing I could gain from that. Everything that anybody could
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: say I know to be a fact, right, even if
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: it's not a fact, I know, I know the potential
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and the same way nobody wanted to believe me, I'm
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: not going to be that person and disbelieve those things.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give them the benefit of that. I'm
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: sorry because he did it to me. So I'm not hating.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I don't want him to be in a position he's in,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: but I know what he's capable of. I think when
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I was in Atlanta, I did an interview with my
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: guy Tigger, and I said, and I repeat it, I
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: pray that did he rehabilitates, that he reforms. He should
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe he should be glad that God sat him down
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: because maybe he was on the verge of odin on
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: those drugs and whatever else it is that he's doing.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: So maybe this is a blessing for him that he
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: didn't get that rico because if you look because if
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you look at the charges, there was a case there
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: for Rico. So he's very blessed. But I just hope
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: that he he is able to because I reform, I rehabilitate,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: even though I was defending myself, but there was a
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: lot going on as young he and I had to
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: make sure that I never put myself on my family
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: in that position again. And so to this day, you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: it's not uh tried by twelve or carried by six.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I just let the Lord take me because I'm not
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not gonna do that to my family,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: not gonna do that to my daughter. And so my
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: whole mind, my whole everything has changed. I just bring
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: so much positivity and great energy to the planet, and
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: that's what I pray for him. So it's not that
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I'm condemning him that I wish he got de Rico.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I wish he does his entire time. I just hope
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that when he returns to the streets, that you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: he can return with a genuine transformation and dedicate the
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: rest of his life, you know, to making people's lives
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: better and and to healing and you know, making a
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: positive contribution.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: What's one thing that's misunderstood about Sean?
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I think the most difficult thing for me, I I
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: would say is in Belieze, not necessarily here in the States.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I think here in the States, I started off kind
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: of as the Diddy protege, but then I was able
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: to break through that uh you know, with the with
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: the number one album while I was incarcerated and becoming
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: a larger than life figure and then going to Belize
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and getting elected to the House and doing things that
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: are just unprecedented for hip hop. No person, no rapper
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: now R and B has ever made it to the
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: House of Representatives, and definitely not the leader of the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: opposition in the House of Representatives. But my I think
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the one thing I would focus on is in Belize,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: you know, which is all being taken care of now
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: by the grace of God. But my political enemies used
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: to say that, oh, I'm a deep Orte. I'm a
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: criminal forgetting the Grammys, forgetting that. You know, I wrote
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: and produced and published over forty million albums with Usher,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: with Lil Wayne, Notorious, Big Puff, Daddy Mace. But they
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: would just equate me to a deep Portea criminal. And
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget. When I first signed my record deal
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight, I bought my platinum Rolex. I
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: bought a big chain diamond plate and I got on
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the plane to go to Belize. Believes was always a
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: part of me, Like my mom still speaks believes and
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: she can't even speak a proper sentence of English, where
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: like we love believes so much. I used to go
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: to Belize every summer. So it hurt me if any
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm like a duck, you know, water it usually
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: just flows off my back. But if one thing so
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: misunderstood and hurt was when people would try to deny
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: me my patriotism and my love for my country, and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: then my integrity because it's like I'm shine, like I
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: sat and for ten years because of character and integrity.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not that guy. I'm not that guy at fronts
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: that says one thing and does the other thing. Like
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't do that for Diddy because he was he
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: was trying to crush me. I did that for me
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and for what I believe in and for the people
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: that believed in me. So yeah, that's the one thing
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: that was misunderstood that I was only in believed because
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I was deep deported and I had to be and believed.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to be in beliezing. So I got
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: involved in politics so I could get back to America
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and and and watch watch when you get back to America,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna come back. So the best thing, that's
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: why I say, God is so great, So the best
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: thing is going back. So I come here for a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks and I worked, and I can't turn back.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: It's not even turning on me. It just feels good
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: to to prove people wrong. And for the people that
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: believed in me, because a lot of people that believe
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: in me and believes and to vindicate them for them
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: to feel good. And then becoming the prime minister of
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: a country, you know, the current prime minister of Belize
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: as much as him and I, you know, I used
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: to used to be me. I used to go against
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: his whole team's twenty six of them. Sometimes it's one
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: of me and the House of Representatives. I shut it down.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: The Speaker of the House got to close down the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: House of Representative. They throw me out. But I have
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of respect for him because he's been there
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: for thirty years. He's you know, I think maybe late fifties,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: early sixties, and so he was a ararepresentative he was
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: a deputy prime minister and then he became the Prime minister.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: And that's what I talk about, endurance and stamina. And
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: then he got his time. People criticize and people say
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: he's not the best this, he's not the best at
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: but he got his time. I'm gonna get my time.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: But I got to go through my journey. So part
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: of my journey is building the relationship with the people
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: of beliefs. So I got to go through the hits.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Oh he's a deport Oh he's a criminal. Oh he
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: don't love believes Oh he only there prove him wrong.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: So then those same people are going to be like, yeah,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: all right, and continue to have the conversation about policy,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: about education, How we can you know, provide you know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: student student loans, we don't even have student loans, and beliefs,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: you know, how we could develop the economy, how we
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: could develop you know, the tourism industry. I think the
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Tourism Minister is one of the best tourism ministers that
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: we've ever had. And he's on the other side of
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: the political divide. We're opponents, but so so that's the
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: one thing. But it's a good thing because I get
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to prove people wrong, and I get to build relationships
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: with people because I don't hold grudges. I'm not malicious, right,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: So so now people could see so we could get
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: past that and we could get to policy. And that's
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: how I become the Prime Minister one day, because now
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I would have shown them everything, all that they said
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: about me, I would have disproved, and I could come
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: to them with a genuine plan to change their lives
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: and improve things and beliefs, which is what do you
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: feel like?
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: They maybe felt like that at that time because you
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: didn't pop as an artist over there and belieze, but
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: you came in, you know, you hanging with the New Yorkers,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: and I.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Think politics, I think politics had a lot to do
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: with it. You know, my father was the Prime Minister
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: of beliefs. But my father and I couldn't be more different.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: We don't agree on most policies, and he wasn't involved
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: in my life. He had nothing to do with me
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: selling over forty million records my mom and I'm my
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: mother's son. Respect to him, you know, him and I
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: we have a cordial relationship. There's no ill will. But
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I took a lot of hits and believes because of him, right,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And I never got anything from him. You know, he
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: has another son who has benefited tremendously from you know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: him being prime minister, but that wasn't me. Are you
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: close with your brother, are you no?
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: No?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are his children, my mother's only son. But
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying so, I think a lot of it
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: had to do with you know, him being prime minister
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: for thirteen years, benefits that came to you know, his
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: son and other people, and so they took that out
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: on me. And I didn't get nothing. When I say nothing,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: not ten right, even going to the House of Representatives.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: He had nothing to do with that. As far as
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: planning that or saying to me, son, I think you
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: should follow on my footsteps. I decided to do that.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I decided to return to Believe and offer myself to service,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: and I put my money into that. Open the resource center.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: You know, when my friends would come to Belieze with
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: professors or entrepreneurs, have them speak to the people in Mesopotamia.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: But don't get me wrong, I don't want to be ungrateful.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: There were people, the same people that ended up overthrowing me,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: that felt a deportee and a criminal should not be
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: involved in politics, right, So on that end, as the
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: leader of the party, you know, he and others were like, nah,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: that's that's crazy, Like, you know, he didn't do anything,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: and believe that was an American and we all know
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: that he took the fall, but I think he should
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: have did that for anybody that you know was in
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: that situation. We have a person right now that was
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: a former leader of the party that just got arrested
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: and he's a senator. He got arrested for assaulting the police.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: He got arrested for assaulting a woman with a hammer.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: He did all types of things and everybody was okay
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: with that. So I'm saying that wasn't like a father
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: son thing. I think that was just the right thing
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: to do. But I take a lot of heat for
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: you know, the prime minister serving thirteen years, got no benefits,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: not that he should have given me anything, but a
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: lot of people claim he gave his other son everything.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: But that's okay, right, but.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: That you looking for his validation and turn into war politics.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: You know, as a child, you always wanted your father. Yeah,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: and then when I became successful, as you know, my
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: first album, million records. So even before I went in
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: most famous believing ever, most successful commercial belising ever, then
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, everybody recognized. And even like I said,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I don't want to throw him under the bus. We
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: have policy differences, we agree to disagree. It's an agreeable relationship.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: But I'm I'm past that right I'm at a place
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: where you know, my daughter is my life, Believe is
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: my life, helping believeance, and I have everything at my
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: disposal to be able to do everything that I want
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: to do. So I don't you know, it's not about Diddy,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: it's not about Pops, it's not about nobody. God has
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: given me all the tools, a great team, you know,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: people like Stephen Victor, Stephen, Carlos, Don Pooh Manny, you
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: know Smithy for Seane. After all this, I think we
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I think we passed redemption right now, it's like what
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: does what does? What does you know? This great future
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: of belize and you know, creating more art. It's celebration time.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: That's why I really said the twenty fifth anniversary celebration time,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: because we got past like all the other stuff and
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: now celebrate like you know, like I'm making it listen
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: like my brother. You know, the last thing I did
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: was watched the Super Bowl with Doctor Dre like quiet,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: no pictures, no nothing. Do you know what? Do you
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: know what it is to be able to to come
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: to l A and be like, yo, I'm in your
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: City of Angels and pull up right and he got
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: some incredible beats, trust me, the Doctor agent timelessly. That's
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: a great place to be. Like, right, if I go
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: to Miami, I'm gonna go to Miami in a few weeks.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go see Khalid. You know, see my guy Russian.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: I know, you know we're in New York. So all
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the Caribbean they know who Russian is. Russian he got
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: that thing from my album ce J the Chemists, the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Caribbeans know who that is. That's that's that's Brooklyn. No, no, no,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: that's that's Brooklyn. That's that's Brooklyn. That's my guy. He
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: just they just grabbed him Chronic Law and Armani and
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: you know, the Caribbeans know who that is. But anyway,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm in such a great place that all
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: the people that that I love and admire love and
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: admire me. And so I'm making an album from there,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: like DJ Toons and the Starboy Collective, whizz Kid. When
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I was when I when I was, you know, when
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I was in la at Lennis respect to my good
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: brother Lennis. Those the best parties ever. So he had
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: a Grammy after party. I hear DJ Toons is at
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the party. I go to the turntables like oh Yo, Shine,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: like and and and the song he got right now
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: with Marvel and whiz Kid. That's my favorite song. And
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: we're working right there. He's sending me stuff. That's a
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: great place to be, right Like, I don't need nobody
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: to do nothing because everybody embraces shine and love shine
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: and they celebrate shine, and so we're celebrating so thank God. Right,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: So so we look forward to using this to get
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: more people to come to Belize. Last time I was saying,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: you said you come in, you still ain't reached.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: This year, I went to Dominica. But we're gonna get
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: out there. I'm gonna bring the family.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Be a politician this year.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: With Dominica, I had to go Dominica. That's where my
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: father is from, so I had to go here first.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: But we're gonna make a stand.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: But that's never been a belize.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I think I might have did something that long. I
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: love it, but I got to get back.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: But that's that's what's on the horizon man, to be
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: able to put these projects out and you know, everything
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I do, I'm gonna always talk about believe and just
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: celebrating from a great space of positivity.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: It seems like in a good space.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so May second, May second King Steady.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: King in Brooklyn, Shawn, we appreciate you for joining us
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and thank you for answering.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: All the questions.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: All right, yes, question it's on the Just go to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: king dot com. I'm sure they got a place. Is like, look,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I'm tired of ask about the Lauren. If you're gonna
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: d m me talk about my content, damn it, talk
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: about my damn it.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: We're talking about listen, not that not that you you
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: going back on tour for the money.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Right, I ain't even know.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: He's had the best questions.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Then you got to ask these people think.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: So, you know, would somebody think that it's not like
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I'm out here stunting. I'm like, listen, I take the
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: train like I'm a regular guy. Like it's not like
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I think if people it's not like I'm fronting like
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: I'm out here, front like I got a hundred millions,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: and you heard something.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: The first thing that people say is, well, why did
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: they come back?
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: You know, especially when I never got a chance.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: But last time you said, he was like, I don't
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: want to because.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I was in the legislator. I was in the legislator. No, no, no,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: But I'm still the whole I got. I got the
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I got the Polo crest On, but I still got
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean by on the tray?
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Shut up?
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: It's the breakfast club.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Good morning.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: Hold up, every day I wake click your glass up,
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: the breakfast Club.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: You're finished for y'all done. I