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What Is The LATEST On Ohio State's Transfer Portal Search? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to you Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Wednesday, April twenty third.
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Speaker 1: of town right now, so it's me and we've got
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Speaker 1: Mark Givler here as well. We're going to talk about
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Speaker 1: the transfer portal, which opened up on April sixteenth. It
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Speaker 1: is set to close on April twenty fifth. You've got
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Speaker 1: to get in by the time it closes, but you
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Speaker 1: don't have to land somewhere by the time it closes,
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Speaker 1: so there will still be some movement beyond that. But
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Speaker 1: we wanted to cover some of the names that need
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Speaker 1: to be covered and need to be discussed. And Mark,
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Speaker 1: let's for the first one. Let's talk about the name
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Speaker 1: that was out there, and it was a big splash
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Speaker 1: and then it was gone, like basically like a stone
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Speaker 1: splashing in the water, if you will. David Stone from
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma defensive tackle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, immediately upon entering I think the Oklahoma beat writers
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Speaker 2: were talking about, well, he might come back, and you know,
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Speaker 2: usually they don't, but this happened very quickly, so I
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Speaker 2: don't know what that was all about. He took a
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Speaker 2: dip in the water, I guess, and didn't like the
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Speaker 2: feedback or something. I don't know that was That was odd,
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Speaker 2: But you know, this was a guy who high seat
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Speaker 2: recruit out of high school. It was very on and
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Speaker 2: off again with Ohio State during his high school recruitment,
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Speaker 2: and I think between that and the idea that he's
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Speaker 2: only played I think he played like ninety three snaps
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Speaker 2: for Oklahoma. I think Ohio State was going to pass anyway,
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Speaker 2: So I don't I don't. People got very excited when
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Speaker 2: his name got in there, but I don't think Ohio
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Speaker 2: State was gonna go after him anyway. So I think
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Speaker 2: that's one of those where you're just like, it's more
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Speaker 2: of a name than it is the reality of actually
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Speaker 2: being interested.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because his production was similar to Edward
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Speaker 1: Houston's in terms of its very little because they didn't
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Speaker 1: play much. But clearly Edric Houston is going to start
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Speaker 1: this year. There's a ton of expectations for him, probably
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Speaker 1: the same for David Stone, and felt like this, if
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Speaker 1: you were trying to negotiate and you weren't getting from
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma what you maybe wanted, then you know what, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go into the pool. But as we as
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Speaker 1: we found out this year, you jump into the transfer portal,
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Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that you're going to end up making
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Speaker 1: more money on the other side. And so some cautionary
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Speaker 1: tales going out for some people, and maybe who knows,
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Speaker 1: maybe David Stone got what he wanted. Not everybody will
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Speaker 1: this turn. One of the guys that I want to
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Speaker 1: talk about is Barla Atkinson transfer out of one of
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Speaker 1: the I don't know three dozen transfers out of North
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Speaker 1: Carolina at this point, which is crazy to me that,
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Speaker 1: you know, when when Dean Sanders chased everybody out, he
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Speaker 1: was chasing out bad players. Bill Belichick is basically chased
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Speaker 1: out good players, it seems at this point. But bo
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Speaker 1: bo Atkinson six six, two hundred and sixty five pounds
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Speaker 1: defensive end basically last year is like ten and a
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Speaker 1: half eleven tackles for lost or twelve tackles for loss
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Speaker 1: in like seven sacks. His numbers last year were basically
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Speaker 1: the career numbers of Caden Curry and Kenyata Jackson combined.
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Speaker 1: And that gives you an idea of of what Ohio
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Speaker 1: State could be could be bringing in if they could
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Speaker 1: land him. And what's the latest there, do you know?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So he made it to campus Monday, which which
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Speaker 2: is a good thing because in this sped up process
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Speaker 2: that is the portal, a lot of guys will set
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Speaker 2: three or four visits, but they'll they'll snap commit on
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Speaker 2: on that first or second trip if if they like
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Speaker 2: what they see. And so there was always that concern
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Speaker 2: that he would do that with Georgia, who he visited first.
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Speaker 2: So he didn't do that. So now Higher state's working
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Speaker 2: on that. There's talk about a South Carolina visit. We'll
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Speaker 2: see if that happens or not. Here here's what I
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Speaker 2: Here's what I know. Ohio State very much would like
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Speaker 2: a bigger bodied defensive end, more of that Kenyata Jackson
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Speaker 2: kind of the six five frame, you know, Cayden Curry, CJ. Hicks,
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Speaker 2: a few of these other guys, they're not you're maybe
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Speaker 2: your prototype frame for for defensive ends. So and Atkinson's
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Speaker 2: very good against the run as well, So I think
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Speaker 2: there's a there's the thinking that he would be kind
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Speaker 2: of a perfect fit for what they already have in
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Speaker 2: the room and that they could kind of get that
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Speaker 2: three to four man rotation going again. I wrote, you
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Speaker 2: know Monday, I thought that of all the names we're
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Speaker 2: talking about right now, is particularly along the defensive line,
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Speaker 2: that Atkinson is the most likely name right now, the
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Speaker 2: one that makes the most sense to me. And so
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Speaker 2: there's optimism right now, and we'll just see kind of
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Speaker 2: how things go here. I mean, he could decide really
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Speaker 2: any day now.
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Speaker 1: But Mark, you said the two dreaded words South Carolina.
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Speaker 1: Whatever South Carolina is in the mix, it's like, what
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Speaker 1: are they doing here? Watch out for them? As Ohio
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Speaker 1: State fans know, the concern is about the defensive there's
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Speaker 1: more concern about defensive tackle real quick on Atkinson, Like,
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Speaker 1: if he does commit, there's gonna be a whole bunch
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Speaker 1: of talk of what this does to the entire room,
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Speaker 1: because now, what does this do to CJ.
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Speaker 3: Hicks?
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Speaker 1: What does this do to Logan George, that whole thing
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Speaker 1: that there's gonna be some discussion there. But to defensive tackle,
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Speaker 1: things have not been going great there in terms of
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Speaker 1: the search. But you're talking about a position that everybody wants,
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Speaker 1: and it's you know, you're shopping with everybody else. And
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Speaker 1: so the first guy I want to talk about is
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Speaker 1: Marod Watson, defensive tackle from Syracuse All Freshmen, All Conference
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Speaker 1: player last year. He's good, size, six three three thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Started eleven games as a true freshman at a major program,
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Speaker 1: which is always interesting. Thirty I think like thirty one
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Speaker 1: tackles or so and one and a half tackles for
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Speaker 1: the lost one sack.
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Speaker 3: What is the latest there?
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Speaker 2: I would be surprised if this happened for Ohio State
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Speaker 2: that there was interest. Obviously, Ohio State kind of kicked
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Speaker 2: the tires there. The the the ask on that is
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Speaker 2: is a lot. He's he's there. It's a very competitive
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Speaker 2: nil battle right now. And you know, Ohio is in
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Speaker 2: an interesting spot with defensive tackles right now. They they
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Speaker 2: don't just want a depth body. I think they they
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Speaker 2: have depth. They have guys that can steal ten snaps
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Speaker 2: a game or whatever for you and whatever They want
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Speaker 2: kind of a guy who is a difference maker. Yet
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Speaker 2: they can't really go to that guy and be like, hey,
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Speaker 2: you're going to start, because they've got EDWC. Houston K
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Speaker 2: McDonald who they very much like. And so you're trying
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Speaker 2: to convince a guy who whose nil offers might be
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Speaker 2: pushing seven figures that he's going to come in and
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Speaker 2: maybe start, maybe not start, probably not start. And and
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Speaker 2: so there, I think there's going to be a sweet
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Speaker 2: spot there where they're gonna have to settle a little bit.
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Speaker 2: They're not gonna be able to probably get the maybe
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Speaker 2: the top of the board guy like a Maraud Watson.
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Speaker 2: I have to get kind of a more of a
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Speaker 2: that DT three type of guy who's got starting experience
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Speaker 2: somewhere else and is maybe moving up a level, you know,
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Speaker 2: to to maybe push themselves. It's gonna be hard, I think,
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Speaker 2: for them to get the seven figure nil deal done,
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Speaker 2: just given what the landscape is out there, when other
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Speaker 2: programs are a little more desperate right now for immediate
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Speaker 2: starting help.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough ask. It's a tough sell.
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Speaker 1: This The cell job is like, well, uh one, we're
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Speaker 1: not going to play as much as you like and two,
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Speaker 1: we're not gonna pay you as much as you like.
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Speaker 1: Would you like to become a buck eye and at
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle? It's like, thank you for your interest, but
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go make a make a living somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: And it's hard to blame somebody for that because it's
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Speaker 1: a it's a it's a tough ask, and you got
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Speaker 1: to ask the right person, and even the right person
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Speaker 1: might be told don't do it.
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Speaker 3: Don't you know?
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Speaker 1: You got to cash in while you can. Maybe the
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Speaker 1: guy that you're talking about in of the lower level
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Speaker 1: would be the Troy Pikes from Georgia Southern, who's got
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Speaker 1: like three years of eligibility can grow into this. Probably
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Speaker 1: not the can't be asking for too much right now
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Speaker 1: because he's not a very proven player, but Ohio State
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Speaker 1: does seem to be.
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Speaker 3: There's certainly some interest there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Pikes is on like a different end of the
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Speaker 2: spectrum as Watson in that I think, like, let's say,
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Speaker 2: in a world where they would get Pikes, I think
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Speaker 2: they would still want another guy. Like I don't think
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Speaker 2: if they got let's say they got Pikes while we're
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Speaker 2: recording this, I don't think they would say, oh, Okay,
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Speaker 2: we're done. We got our guy. I think Pikes is
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Speaker 2: more of a stash, long term rotational guy first year
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Speaker 2: and then maybe grows into something more than that over
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Speaker 2: the course of the next two or three years. So
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Speaker 2: I think that is kind of goes against what we
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Speaker 2: just kind of talked about in terms of like depth
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Speaker 2: bodies versus instant impact guys. So I think they view
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Speaker 2: him as more of a long term prospect, which would
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Speaker 2: make some sense as well. I mean, they could, they
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Speaker 2: could use some long term guys in there as well.
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Speaker 2: They've got some veterans. You know, it sounds crazy, but
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Speaker 2: you know, Kate McDonald's been here a few years, and
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Speaker 2: you know Taiwan Malone is going to be out the
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Speaker 2: door here soon, and like it's it's not a room
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Speaker 2: that's like got this, you know, overwhelming number of players.
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Speaker 2: So it would make sense for him to kind of
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Speaker 2: complement a more experienced veteran player. So we'll see where
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Speaker 2: that goes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the the interior on the Ohio State defensive line
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Speaker 1: is so weird. It's it's got a lot of upperclassmen
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Speaker 1: who haven't played and it's like that's that's a scary thing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this could be Kate McDonald's last year. He's
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Speaker 1: he's draft eligible this year. And as we know, you
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Speaker 1: don't have to be a first round or to leave.
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Speaker 1: We've seen fourth and fifth rounders leave after one year
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Speaker 1: of starting or whatever and just and just go. So
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Speaker 1: you're always going to want to be building. And the
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Speaker 1: move from eighty five to one oh five, they're pretty
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Speaker 1: much they're probably short on all of their numbers at
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Speaker 1: this point because they need to add guys, and that's
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Speaker 1: certainly the case at defensive tackle. I think it is
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Speaker 1: interesting that they haven't lost anybody to the portal from
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Speaker 1: from the interior defensive tackle when you've got all of
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Speaker 1: these guys and they're basically being bad mouthed by everybody,
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Speaker 1: whether it's us or in a way by Ryan Days.
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Speaker 1: And he's not bad mouthing, he's just saying, we've got
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Speaker 1: to look at the well, look, we'll examine the position
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Speaker 1: and see if we need to go into the portal.
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Speaker 1: But to this point, and you know, it's almost a
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Speaker 1: kiss of death, like so far, nobody's done this. You know,
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Speaker 1: knocks some wood, it's not rating out, you know, anything
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Speaker 1: like that. But the guys have stuck around. I think
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Speaker 1: there's playing time to be had. I think everybody knows that.
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Speaker 1: But are you surprised that nobody has left yet? At
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle?
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Speaker 2: I'm always a little bit surprised when we don't see
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Speaker 2: people leave these days. I feel like every program deals
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Speaker 2: with it, even you know, the Georgias and Alabamas the
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Speaker 2: world deal with it just as much as you know
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Speaker 2: in Ohio State, or or even like a middle tier
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Speaker 2: program does. So I'm always a little bit surprised. But
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Speaker 2: let me let me reverse that they haven't brought anybody
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Speaker 2: in yet. As far as that goes, If if, what
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Speaker 2: if they bring somebody in in the next couple of
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Speaker 2: days before the portal closes, do we see someone Look
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Speaker 2: look at what happened like with UCLA when they brought
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Speaker 2: in Niko and Malaiyava and then all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: Joey alar like, oh okay, see you Like, So what
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Speaker 2: happens if they bring in one or two defensive tackle
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Speaker 2: bodies in the next day or two, and you know,
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Speaker 2: there's gonna give that's gonna give some other guys some
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Speaker 2: time to get in the portal. So that's kind of
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Speaker 2: what I'm waiting for, is what happens if they bring
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Speaker 2: someone in before the deadline, it would be very savvy
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Speaker 2: of them to have whoever they might be bringing in
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Speaker 2: to just kind of wait until twenty seventh, but we'll
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Speaker 2: see if something like that happens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're absolutely right, because there is a report
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Speaker 1: of O High State reaching out to particular person and
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Speaker 1: I had somebody from that positions like in that circle
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Speaker 1: basically saying what's going on with this? I need to
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Speaker 1: talk to somebody. I'm gonna send some text like you know.
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Speaker 1: So it does it creates basically an equal and opposite reaction.
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Speaker 1: You bring somebody in and then it might not just
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Speaker 1: be one guy that you lose.
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Speaker 3: And so that's also.
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Speaker 1: Something they have to consider, where you just it's like
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Speaker 1: three guys might see the riding on the wall because
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Speaker 1: of one player being brought in, And so would you
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Speaker 1: rather have Troy Pikes or would you rather have Eric Menza,
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Speaker 1: Will Smith and Jason Moore and the answers you'd rather
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Speaker 1: have those three, And so I think that's also something
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Speaker 1: that they also need to keep in mind. Offensive line.
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Speaker 1: Right now, it looks like there are two names in
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Speaker 1: the mix. Let's first start with Ryan Irving. From Sam
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Speaker 1: Houston two years of eligibility remaining, finished twenty twenty three
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Speaker 1: as a starting left tackle. Then I think he started
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four season injured and then finished the
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Speaker 1: season as the start right tackle. So he's he's got
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Speaker 1: a history of playing both spots, which Ohio State likes.
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Speaker 1: What's what's the latest there? What's going on there?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's visiting this week. This makes some sense I
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Speaker 2: think for everybody. But he's from Houston and Houston's involved,
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Speaker 2: so I think that's going to be a consideration obviously.
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Speaker 2: And again I go back to that with like with
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Speaker 2: him specifically, is he's he's a starter, What can what
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Speaker 2: can Ohio State kind of provide him from a playing
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Speaker 2: time standpoint that you know he can't get somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: So it's like, how how does this work? Like, how
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Speaker 2: how do you convince someone who's leaving a starting position
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Speaker 2: and can presumably get a starting position elsewhere at a
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Speaker 2: place like Houston where he's from, to come in and
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Speaker 2: compete in what is seemingly a like five man competition
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Speaker 2: right now for these two tackle spots. So I need
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Speaker 2: to see how that kind of comes together, how that happens,
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Speaker 2: How that's pitched. Certainly, I think they can talk about
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Speaker 2: last year and how they rotated guys who deserve to
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Speaker 2: play and things can happen and but but but to me,
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Speaker 2: that's going to be a bit of a tough sell.
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Speaker 2: But that's a guy I think they would like to
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Speaker 2: have come in and kind of continue to to push
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Speaker 2: this competition there. Again, I'm just it's not like all
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Speaker 2: the way toward like the Watson thing that we just
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Speaker 2: talked about. As far as my skepticism, but I'm just
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Speaker 2: I'm a little skeptical that he would take the path
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Speaker 2: of like most resistance versus the path of least resistance
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Speaker 2: at a place like Houston. And and you know, but
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Speaker 2: you know, we'll see what like nil dollars look like. Again,
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Speaker 2: I would think for a place like Houston that does
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Speaker 2: have some money, I would think Houston would be more
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Speaker 2: willing to spend on him than than Ohio State would.
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Speaker 2: But you know that's that's you know, all that stuff
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Speaker 2: gets sorted out here in the next few days.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he's he's he's got two years remaining,
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Speaker 1: probably not going to start at Ohio State this year,
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Speaker 1: So then you're putting it all on one year of
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Speaker 1: starting at Ohio State next year, knowing that there's they're
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Speaker 1: going to be get other people competing, and knowing that
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Speaker 1: they're going to continue to look at the transfer portal
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Speaker 1: for offensive line help as they need. And so it's
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Speaker 1: I'm with you, this doesn't feel like it would be.
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Speaker 1: It feels like a starting job would win out over
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Speaker 1: the chance to start, and again the chance to start
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Speaker 1: with less money. And that's and that's where they are.
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Speaker 1: Maybe the more realistic thing. And Ryan Day said they're
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Speaker 1: too short on their number of offensive linemens, so they
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Speaker 1: wanted to add and that was before that's just with
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Speaker 1: the eighty five, that's not counting the one oh five
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Speaker 1: and how these scholarships are all going to work. Ryan
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Speaker 1: da still hasn't given us all of that information. That's
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Speaker 1: one of the questions I want to ask once we
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Speaker 1: finally talk to him again. It's like, so do you
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Speaker 1: have walk ons? How many scholarships is this team.
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Speaker 3: Going to have?
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Speaker 1: Once it's one oh five. But maybe a more realistic
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Speaker 1: addition would be Jaden Ball out of Purdue, who is
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Speaker 1: from Ohio and red shirted this past season as a
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Speaker 1: true freshman.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's more realistic clearly that's not a guy they're
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Speaker 2: bringing in. You know, we just talked about pushing the competition,
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Speaker 2: and that's probably not a guy who's gonna push the
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Speaker 2: competition this year. If they were able to get him,
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Speaker 2: that's kind of long term stash and develop guy. I'll
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Speaker 2: answer my own question here, but like my immediate question is, like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: he was thirty minutes from campus. Maybe you evaluated him,
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Speaker 2: you didn't offer him, you didn't really pay that much
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Speaker 2: attention to him, and now he doesn't play at Purdue,
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Speaker 2: who was not good last year in red shirts, and
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Speaker 2: now he's attractive. But then I have to remember that
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Speaker 2: they've got a bunch of new sets of eyeballs evaluating
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Speaker 2: that position. They do have an expanded roster, whatever that's
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Speaker 2: going to look like. I've been told it's more likely
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Speaker 2: that they're going to land somewhere in the ninety ninety
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Speaker 2: three scholarship range and still have you know, a dozen
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Speaker 2: to ten to twelve walk ons, but you're gonna have
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Speaker 2: a little more space. And again, you've missed your number
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Speaker 2: quite a few years in a row. Feels like they
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Speaker 2: missed a row line number every year since like stud
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Speaker 2: took over, like whatever, that was was like thirteen or twelve.
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Speaker 2: It's like, but so, yeah, this makes sense for like
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Speaker 2: a stash, But yeah, it is a little curious, like
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Speaker 2: what you could have just grabbed him last year. But again,
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Speaker 2: new sets of eyeballs are are looking at this, and
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Speaker 2: they got the guy from who was at Purdue was
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Speaker 2: now in their support staff, so he may have some
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Speaker 2: insight there that maybe some others didn't have previous.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Marcus Johnson, I believe, but you know, the new
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Speaker 1: sets of eyeballs. When Urban hired Ed Warner, they almost
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Speaker 1: immediately offered or they offered Taylor Decker at that point,
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Speaker 1: and he wasn't like they the previous staff wasn't really
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Speaker 1: going after whether it's what Bowman at that point, they
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Speaker 1: weren't really going after him, as I recall. So the
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Speaker 1: eyeballs certainly do help. And maybe maybe if Jaden Ball
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Speaker 1: would be like Phillip Daniels a year behind type and
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Speaker 1: Philip Daniels started four games last year as a redchid
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Speaker 1: freshman at the end of the season for Minnesota and
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Speaker 1: used that first year to develop. In the second year
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Speaker 1: he played a little bit and this year he's probably
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe in the two deep battling for a
18:24
Speaker 1: spot in that too deep. So anybody else that we
18:27
Speaker 1: have not mentioned that you wanted to touch on before we.
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Speaker 2: Go, that's kind of the Those are kind of the
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Speaker 2: key guys, you know. I think people are gonna ask
18:38
Speaker 2: what about this position? What about that? Very much right
18:41
Speaker 2: now is they would like a depth body or two
18:43
Speaker 2: on the offensive line. They would like a defensive If
18:48
Speaker 2: they can get a pass rusher, especially one that's got
18:51
Speaker 2: a little size to them, they would like that. I
18:53
Speaker 2: think it is telling that Atkinson is kind of the
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Speaker 2: only guy. There's been some other interesting players on the
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Speaker 2: perimeter that have entered the portal that I'm told they
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Speaker 2: have not really looked at. So whether that just tells
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Speaker 2: you they don't feel it's that important, or whether it
19:12
Speaker 2: tells you more of how they feel about Atkinson. I
19:14
Speaker 2: personally think it's more how they feel about Atkinson. So
19:18
Speaker 2: so that's the thing to watch. And then, of course,
19:20
Speaker 2: you know again, I think I think it's not it's
19:23
Speaker 2: not impossible that they would take two interior guys, and
19:28
Speaker 2: so we'll see who pops up.
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Speaker 1: I just.
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Speaker 2: I just don't know what's going to happen here in
19:33
Speaker 2: the next We got like what four days as we're
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Speaker 2: recording this for guys to jump in. I still think
19:39
Speaker 2: there's a chance that some domino effects happened somewhere that
19:42
Speaker 2: can could trigger something. But look, the spring window is
19:46
Speaker 2: always a little lighter, a lot lighter. And on top
19:52
Speaker 2: of that, the NIL money is mostly spent at this
19:59
Speaker 2: point for for most programs, for the top programs. Now,
20:03
Speaker 2: if you're a middling program and you've you've lost a
20:05
Speaker 2: bunch of guys, you may have all sorts of cap
20:06
Speaker 2: space right now to throw around. But like for the
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Speaker 2: major programs, the nil money has already been spent either
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Speaker 2: in the winter portal or in retention. And now it's
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Speaker 2: like you're being hyper focused on like one or two things.
20:21
Speaker 2: You're not looking to bring in like ten guys right now.
20:23
Speaker 2: If you are, you're in trouble, like you're hyper focused
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Speaker 2: on one or two. Like Georgia went and got Josh
20:27
Speaker 2: McCrae from Illinois, they needed a running back, so they
20:29
Speaker 2: just like they got hyper focused on running back and
20:32
Speaker 2: then you've got you know, most programs are going to
20:34
Speaker 2: be looking for any lineman at this point, offensive or defense,
20:37
Speaker 2: because as I always say, kind of broken record here,
20:41
Speaker 2: if you put every coach in the country in an
20:43
Speaker 2: auditorium and said, okay, raise your hand. If you have
20:45
Speaker 2: too many line too many good linemen, nobody would raise
20:47
Speaker 2: their hands. So like that's kind of a given. But yeah,
20:50
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be. The spring window is just very
20:53
Speaker 2: different than winter.
20:54
Speaker 1: Well, and then it comes down to imagine, it's a
20:58
Speaker 1: it's a in a pot clips right, and all of
21:00
Speaker 1: these apocalypse movies that you see, and but the stores
21:03
Speaker 1: are still open. But all I've got is like, you know,
21:05
Speaker 1: potted meat, toilet paper. The prices on those things are
21:07
Speaker 1: going to be outrageous. It's like, normally you wouldn't care
21:10
Speaker 1: about potted meat, but it's like, now I'm in a
21:13
Speaker 1: defensive line apocalypse, I'd kind of like to have some
21:15
Speaker 1: potted meat. And how much you're gonna pay? And then
21:18
Speaker 1: you've got people that are, you know, bidding against each other.
21:20
Speaker 1: And so while I like the top end names are
21:24
Speaker 1: usually gone in the the the the winter portion, you
21:29
Speaker 1: can end up having to pay some top end prices
21:31
Speaker 1: for lower levels in the spring if the money is
21:35
Speaker 1: still there. And and you know, it's not one of
21:38
Speaker 1: those things where I don't know how many teams are like,
21:40
Speaker 1: you know what, let's just hold off and let's see
21:42
Speaker 1: what happens in the spring. Let's you know, we don't
21:44
Speaker 1: need to let's save some of this money for the spring,
21:47
Speaker 1: because like you got to get while getting is good
21:49
Speaker 1: because there's no telling that the guys that you land
21:52
Speaker 1: in the winter won't be transferring out in the spring either,
21:55
Speaker 1: as we're learning, but that will do it.
21:59
Speaker 3: You got anyway? Anything else? Are you good?
22:01
Speaker 2: Well? No, I just to your point of all that,
22:03
Speaker 2: it's like the old basketball analogy, before nil and the
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Speaker 2: transfer portal and basketball he had like the early the
22:09
Speaker 2: early signing window and then the late signing window for
22:11
Speaker 2: high school basketball prospects, and inevitably every year there would
22:17
Speaker 2: be like this group of players, like maybe half a
22:19
Speaker 2: dozen players, Like you know, there'd be like a six
22:21
Speaker 2: or five shooting guard who was an entirely a mid
22:24
Speaker 2: major project prospect. And then the first window would pass
22:29
Speaker 2: and we'd get to the spring window and all of
22:30
Speaker 2: a sudden that kid had done nothing different from two months,
22:34
Speaker 2: you know from you know, one day he's his best
22:37
Speaker 2: offer is a MAX school, and the next day he's
22:40
Speaker 2: got like Yukon and Ohio State and Michigan State and
22:43
Speaker 2: everyone's fighting over him. I'm like, what change other than
22:46
Speaker 2: the supply. The supply changed, and then the supply you know,
22:51
Speaker 2: went down, and demand went up and and all of
22:54
Speaker 2: a sudden, this kid who should have been playing at
22:55
Speaker 2: acarands up like Yukon and it's like, oh my goodness.
22:58
Speaker 2: And so that's we see a little bit of that
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Speaker 2: here with the with or with the spring transfer portal
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Speaker 2: window where teams are like, oh, I got to have
23:07
Speaker 2: a defensive lineman, I got to have an offensive lineman.
23:09
Speaker 2: And these guys that hold out like this can get
23:12
Speaker 2: above what their market value truly should be. You know,
23:16
Speaker 2: if they would have entered in the winter.
23:18
Speaker 1: What do you think Dewan Jones would have landed, because
23:21
Speaker 1: he was what that was that was late in the
23:24
Speaker 1: cycle and there's like nobody interested for most of the year,
23:27
Speaker 1: and then by the end of the year's like Ohio State,
23:29
Speaker 1: USC like all of these major programs.
23:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's come over to football.
23:35
Speaker 2: Like I said, this was like a strictly basketball thing
23:38
Speaker 2: for years, and I would always make fun of our
23:39
Speaker 2: basketball when I was at like Rivals. I've talked to
23:42
Speaker 2: basketball guys. I'm like, what is wrong with your sport?
23:45
Speaker 2: This kid was going to acronym a week ago and
23:48
Speaker 2: now you've got like five top ten programs of offered
23:50
Speaker 2: him and they're fighting over him like he's Lebron James
23:53
Speaker 2: and I would just like make fun of that. But
23:54
Speaker 2: it's come to football now.
23:55
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah it has, so that will do it. If
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