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Credlin | 22 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandlin Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline Regional New South Wales remains baffled by
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Speaker 2: time you play a six flippant call to scrap a
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Speaker 2: billion dollar gold mine. Tonight, I'll speak to a local
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Speaker 2: mayor about community anger over lost jobs and economic opportunity.
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Speaker 2: They contemplate how to fight back against Canberra. Following on
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Speaker 2: from your response to last night's show, I'll have more
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Speaker 2: to say on that disgraceful decision to shut down debate
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Speaker 2: in the Senate on a motion the baby is born
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Speaker 2: alive after a late term abortion be allowed to receive
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Speaker 2: medical treatment. This is not a women's choice issue, this
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Speaker 2: is a human rights issue. Former WDPM John Anderson a
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Speaker 2: little later in the show, plus the shock news ABC
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Speaker 2: Managing Director David Anderson stepping down just one year into
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Speaker 2: his second five year term.
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Speaker 3: What's gone on there?
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Speaker 2: And there's no doubt tonight Labor will be glad this
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Speaker 2: sitting Fortnight's over, as it looks more and more likely
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Speaker 2: they never bothered to consult Asio or the Immigration Department
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Speaker 2: over the Gaza Visa's scandal.
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Speaker 4: It's now clear that by cutting corners and concocting the
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Speaker 4: Visa the Vote scheme, this government has put domestic political
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Speaker 4: considerations ahead of national Solioty.
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Speaker 2: First two developments this week that tell you everything about
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Speaker 2: the Albanesi government's approach to the economic development of Australia.
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Speaker 2: The first was the mcphilamy gold mine project near Blainey
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Speaker 2: in central Western and New South Wales, kiboshed by the
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Speaker 2: Minister Tania Plebisk on the basis of secret Aboriginal cultural concerns.
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Speaker 2: Now in a moment, I'll speak with the local mayor
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Speaker 2: about community anger and plans to now appeal that decision.
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Speaker 3: The other a massive new soular.
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Speaker 2: Farm as well as an eight hundred kilometer transmission line
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Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory, not just to prove, but hailed
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Speaker 2: by the same Environment minister a generation defining piece of infrastructure.
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Speaker 2: She said, that will, she argues, turbocharge our research and
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Speaker 2: manufacturing capacity in the renewable technology sector. Sure, yet we
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Speaker 2: can assume that every one of those solar panels for
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Speaker 2: this one hundred and twenty square kilometer monstrosity will all
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Speaker 2: be made in China, because we know ninety percent of
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Speaker 2: them are. Contrast the government's hype around so called green
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Speaker 2: energy with its skepticism towards the industries that actually pay
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Speaker 2: Austratius bills. The government claims that Mike cannon Brooks backed
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Speaker 2: the sun Cable project. Well, it'll power three million homes,
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Speaker 2: we're told, it'll create fourteen thousand new jobs, and it
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Speaker 2: will mean in the construction of the world's longest undersea
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Speaker 2: power cable. And what the green sprookers dot I don't
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Speaker 2: tell you is the total maximum capacity of the project
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Speaker 2: is no more than that of the Irarean coal five
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Speaker 2: power station. But the New South Wales government is just
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Speaker 2: subsidizing now to the tune of two hundred million dollars
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Speaker 2: a year for two years to stay open so we
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Speaker 2: can keep the lights on, and then of course they'll
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Speaker 2: shut that down. The labor also doesn't fess up that
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Speaker 2: the maximum generating capacity of this soul Of farm will
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Speaker 2: only be achieved on average about thirty percent of the time,
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Speaker 2: meaning they'll always need to be backup power, most likely
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Speaker 2: from fossil fuels for the other seventy percent of the time.
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Speaker 2: And please, this massive four thousand kilometer undersea cable all
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Speaker 2: away from the Northern Territory to Singapore to send.
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Speaker 3: Our power there.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's five times longer the longest existing sea cable
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Speaker 2: that's between Denmark and the UK.
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Speaker 3: It's never going to be built.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, this project that the Prime Minister sees as an
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Speaker 2: economic savior is the very same project that even the
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Speaker 2: green evangelist Twiggy Forest pulled out from last year because
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Speaker 2: he doesn't think it stacks up. He doesn't think it
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Speaker 2: will ever be viable. The other point to make about
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Speaker 2: these green past schemes is that they're hardly creating new
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Speaker 2: wealth to the extent that they ever come to pass.
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Speaker 2: They're just substituting lower emissions power for the affordable and
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Speaker 2: reliable power we've always had from fossil fuels. Now contrasts
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Speaker 2: this with the government's attitude to what enables us to
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Speaker 2: pay our way in the world, even though our resource
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Speaker 2: exports were worth four hundred billion dollars last year and
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Speaker 2: export income the albanezing governments making them harder and harder
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Speaker 2: to sustain. It might only have been a one billion
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Speaker 2: dollar project, might only have created eight hundred jobs, but
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Speaker 2: that's two hundred million in royalties for New South Wales
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Speaker 2: that has gone And unlike all the green projects we
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Speaker 2: hear about, these are real jobs and this is real money,
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Speaker 2: becauselike the pie and the sky renewables, our resource sector
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Speaker 2: has actually been generating massive amounts of revenue and tens
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Speaker 2: of thousands of highly paid blue collar jobs since the
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Speaker 2: nineteen sixties. The mcphillamy mine that's been stopped after it
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Speaker 2: received all the necessary state and federal environmental approvals and
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Speaker 2: after the officially recognized local Aboriginal groups that there were
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Speaker 2: no heritage issues, has happened because of an obscure indigenous
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Speaker 2: group raised an implausible objection that the minister suddenly decided
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Speaker 2: to recognize four years after it was first made.
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Speaker 3: Now, what's more, she reckoned.
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Speaker 2: She can't tell us anything about it because it's all confidential.
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Speaker 2: The idea that a major project should be prejudiced by
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Speaker 2: unseen song lines generated by initiation rituals it might have
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Speaker 2: taken place on the banks of a river many any
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Speaker 2: generations ago, well that's simply preposterous. A bit like the
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Speaker 2: earlier claim that temporarily halted a big new gas field
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Speaker 2: off northern Australia based on an oral tradition supposedly twenty
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Speaker 2: thousand years old about a rainbow serpent and a crocodile
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Speaker 2: man that the Federal Court thankfully throughout, especially given that
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Speaker 2: the tailings damn in question here was not going to
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Speaker 2: poison the river as claimed, because it had already met
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Speaker 2: every single environmental test. Now, make no mistake, this is
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Speaker 2: economic suicide because this is a government that's putting its
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Speaker 2: faith in green ideology rather than the industries that have
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Speaker 2: long been the foundation of our prosperity.
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Speaker 3: The pays for our.
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Speaker 2: Roads, our hospitals, our de fence assets, our pensions, the
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Speaker 2: ndis and more. Everywhere you look, this is a government
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Speaker 2: that's sending Australia backwards. We've got it all we once did.
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Speaker 2: I can't help but think we're throwing it all away,
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Speaker 2: the lucky country. We're not so lucky anymore or not
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Speaker 2: while this Prime Minister at least is in charge today
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Speaker 2: in question time, the Prime Minister was asked this Prime minister.
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Speaker 5: On October seven, Hamas terrorists went into small Israeli farming
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Speaker 5: villages and a music festival, where they filmed themselves gleefully
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Speaker 5: murdering children, raping women and mutilating their victims, including after death.
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister diessupporting Hamas passed the character test for an Australian.
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Speaker 2: Visa and look what the Prime Minister said in response,
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Speaker 2: couldn't it be more convoluted or evasive?
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Speaker 6: I know that he, as a proud Jewish Australian, was hurt,
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Speaker 6: as other members of the Jewish community right around, not
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Speaker 6: just Australia, but around the world by the events, the
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Speaker 6: horrific events of October seven. The people who were there
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Speaker 6: at the Nova Music Festival looked like a whole lot
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Speaker 6: of people who were attender Spunner in the Grass concert.
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Speaker 6: And one of the things that some of the Jewish
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Speaker 6: community leaders have said to me in the wake of
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Speaker 6: October seven is that they are precisely the sort of
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Speaker 6: people who want to see peace and reconciliation with the
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Speaker 6: Palestinians as well, because of one of the reasons why
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Speaker 6: the world came together in the wake of World War II,
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Speaker 6: in the wake of the Holocaust was to.
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Speaker 2: Know around and around he went padding for time, he
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Speaker 2: didn't answer the question that was obvious, so much so
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Speaker 2: that the Liberal mpage Julian Lisa, was forced to ask
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Speaker 2: the same question again. He asked it again and again.
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Speaker 2: There was no answer given to his question straightforward, if
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Speaker 2: you support AMAS, how does that meet the character test? Now,
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Speaker 2: the PM's are master at attacking his opponent's character. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't just disagree with their point of view, he brands
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Speaker 2: them as bad or immoral by having a different view
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Speaker 2: in the first place. He watches his tials called Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton a racist. You won't call it out, but he's
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Speaker 2: happy enough for the slur to be thrown around well,
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Speaker 2: at the same time claiming that it's Dutton who's negative
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Speaker 2: and divisive, when it's Albanez's stock in trade, to be
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Speaker 2: exactly this as has always been his trade.
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Speaker 7: I I like fighting Tories. That's what I do.
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Speaker 3: That's what I do.
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Speaker 2: That's his epitapheits that's always really amounted to in political
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Speaker 2: life by arguing that allowing people from a terror war
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Speaker 2: zone to travel to Australia without proper security vetting is
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Speaker 2: a national security issue and the Coalition has passed precedent
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Speaker 2: on its side and likely to now the Immigration Department
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Speaker 2: after a former senior official told The Australian Today the
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Speaker 2: Labour's decision to grant three thousand visitor visas to Palestinians
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Speaker 2: since October seven was quite politically motivated and almost certainly
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Speaker 2: done against departmental advice. You've heard me say all week
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Speaker 2: that I suspect Asio was not even asked to give
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Speaker 2: advice about these visas either, and the reason why they
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Speaker 2: would not have been asked for advice is the expectation that,
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Speaker 2: like the Immigration Department, they would have opposed it. Remember
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Speaker 2: when all of this was going down, before any of
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Speaker 2: it was public, for any of us knew about these
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Speaker 2: visas from Gaza, the Prime Minister had thrown Asio out
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Speaker 2: of the National Security Committee of Cabinet. And this is
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Speaker 2: why today the Opposition demanded the government come clean and
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Speaker 2: release all the information it's kept secret to date.
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Speaker 8: There is only one course of action that the Minister
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Speaker 8: for Home Affairs Tony Burke can take today to clear
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Speaker 8: this up, and that is to release all departmental advice
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Speaker 8: provided to his predecessor, Claara O'Neill and the former Immigration
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Speaker 8: Minister Andrew Giles, so that the public can judge whether
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Speaker 8: or not the Department did in fact advise this course
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Speaker 8: of action or advised against it, and whether the government
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Speaker 8: made a political decision to ignore it.
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Speaker 2: Eventually we will know it always comes out. And when
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Speaker 2: that happened, and let's hope it happens before an election,
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Speaker 2: there will be a wreckoning by voters. I think this
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Speaker 2: wins him votes in Western Sydney, but in the rest
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Speaker 2: of the country Australians are angry just how reckless and
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Speaker 2: deceptive this Prime Minister has.
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Speaker 3: Proven himself to be.
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Speaker 9: Right.
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Speaker 2: It's a final day today of a sitting fortnight. Labour's
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Speaker 2: heading for the plan I tell you what they need
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Speaker 2: that break. Here's cam Ridden with the headlines good evening.
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Speaker 10: Labour's plan to curb the rising cost of the NDIS
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Speaker 10: and crack down on waste well past the Parliament today.
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Speaker 10: I think the thousands of people who've contributed to the
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Speaker 10: development of this legislation. Taxpayers will spend around forty eight
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Speaker 10: billion dollars to run the NDIS this year, with costs
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Speaker 10: continuing to rise. Labour wants to cap the growth at
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Speaker 10: eight percent a year by shifting some expenses onto the
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Speaker 10: states and by cracking down on waste and roughts. The
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Speaker 10: bill will and shaw clarity as to what you can
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Speaker 10: I can't spend your funding.
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Speaker 11: On this bell and then the greatest betrayal of disabled
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Speaker 11: people and our families The.
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Speaker 10: Coalition is demanding Labour release departmental advice it received on
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Speaker 10: the issuing of tourist visas two Palestinians leaving Gaza.
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Speaker 4: Over the last two weeks, the Prime Minister has dodged
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Speaker 4: almost thirty questions on the government's handling of people coming
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Speaker 4: from terrorist controlled Gaza.
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Speaker 6: No issues raised by those opposite. While people were excellent
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Speaker 6: coming from they waited until people weren't coming in.
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Speaker 10: The Greens are eyeing off the federal seat of Morton
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Speaker 10: in Queensland following the retirements of a veteran Labour MP.
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Speaker 9: It was just time to go.
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Speaker 11: It's been twenty years of running around and having no
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Speaker 11: winkends and the like.
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Speaker 10: Graham Perrot entered Parliament in two thousand and seven and
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Speaker 10: will depart at the next election. The Greens polled at
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Speaker 10: more than twenty percent in Morton last time out, and
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Speaker 10: we'll look to add to the three Queensland seats they
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Speaker 10: already hold come the next election. Our campaign has already started.
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Speaker 4: We offer a real alternative.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by skyn His host, National Affairs editor
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Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph, James Morrow, and Deputy Executive director of
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Speaker 2: the Institute of Public Affairs Daniel Wilde will work through
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Speaker 2: all of those headlines and more will start, of course,
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Speaker 2: with the visa system out of Gaza that's working against
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Speaker 2: Australia's interests. Retired senior immigration official Abil Risvey and I
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Speaker 2: worked with him many years ago. I think he's a
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Speaker 2: straight shooter, but he's no great supporter of the coalition.
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Speaker 3: He has told The.
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Speaker 2: Australian that the Albanezy government's use of tourist visa for
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Speaker 2: Gazans was politically driven and almost certainly done against departmental advice.
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Speaker 2: He's a former dep sick. He also said the government
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Speaker 2: was now in a very deep pole, with more than
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Speaker 2: thirteen hundred Palestinians stuck on short term tourist visas, costing
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Speaker 2: taxpayers million, while of course displacing everyone else in the
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Speaker 2: queue to come here throughout refugee program. James first to you,
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Speaker 2: as I said, straight shooter. I've known him for nearly
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Speaker 2: thirty years, very senior retired official telling us the labor
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Speaker 2: defined decades of precedent doing what they've done this way.
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Speaker 2: I made the point at the top of the show.
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Speaker 2: AZO two during this period was off the NSC and
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Speaker 2: had the happits. Andrew Jiles in charge. It's getting worse
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Speaker 2: by the day, isn't it.
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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, it's getting really bad. And you know, as
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Speaker 12: I think he alluded to, they really need this parliamentary
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Speaker 12: break here because they have been losing so much skin
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Speaker 12: during this in question time after question time. And you know,
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Speaker 12: the big question again has to be why why do this?
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Speaker 12: Other nations aren't doing anything like this. Arab nations certainly
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Speaker 12: aren't doing anything like that, which you know people have
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Speaker 12: to think about as well. And then you look at
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Speaker 12: Awl Rizzie's comments. You know he's no friend of the coalitions,
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Speaker 12: as you say, but he has called it out. This
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Speaker 12: was political. This was about sure up seats in Western
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Speaker 12: Sydney and also I think about trying to fend off
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Speaker 12: attacks from that green left wig of politics here that
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Speaker 12: is very upset that Labor hasn't completely abandoned Israel. So
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Speaker 12: you know, the politics are there, the security threat is huge,
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Speaker 12: and I thought what Julian Lisa said there was very interesting,
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Speaker 12: and what Albanezi said in response about World War two
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Speaker 12: and you know, be generous to people after a war,
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Speaker 12: but Hamas must be defeated before we can do anything
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Speaker 12: around being generous in this regard.
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Speaker 2: Abel speaks with authority Daniel because I worked closely with
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Speaker 2: him in the Howard era in an immigration portfolio during
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Speaker 2: the very time we took about four thousand costs of
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Speaker 2: ours out of former Yugoslavia. We kept them here on
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Speaker 2: safe haven visus, and of course they returned. There was
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Speaker 2: president here that Labor chose not to use, notwithstanding what
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Speaker 2: we did in Afghanistan and Syria. I think the point
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Speaker 2: now is we've got fifteen hundred of them still not
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Speaker 2: here but granted visas by Labor. Now, surely we either
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Speaker 2: cancel those visas and say start again, let's go through
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Speaker 2: the process, or say if you want to come, you
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Speaker 2: must have proper security checks, you must have a face
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Speaker 2: to face interview.
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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely right, Peter. I think it's clear that this
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Speaker 1: is all about politics, has got nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: national security. This is not the Labor Party that your
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Speaker 1: parents or my parents or grandparents' generation grew up with.
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Speaker 1: The old Labor Party believed in the social fabric. It
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Speaker 1: believed in the community and integration. But this mass migration program,
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Speaker 1: with the Palestinian issue being the tip of the spear,
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Speaker 1: is simply not working in the national interest. The other
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Speaker 1: issue you've got here, Peter, is that this government will
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Speaker 1: talk about trust and democracy till the cows come home.
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Speaker 1: But there is a lack of transparency about this. Why
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Speaker 1: were three thousand tourist visas given to Palestinians coming out
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Speaker 1: of Gaza? And I think the other point to make
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Speaker 1: is does the Prime Minister actually agree with what I
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Speaker 1: think was an unbelievable statement by the head of ASIO
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Speaker 1: that rhetorical support for a terrorist organization would not count
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Speaker 1: against you in terms of your capacity to come into
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Speaker 1: this country. He hasn't answered those questions, and I think
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Speaker 1: most Australians look at that and say, how could it
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Speaker 1: be the case that sympathies or support for retric for
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Speaker 1: an organization like Hamas apparently is not an issue for
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Speaker 1: getting a visa into this country?
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Speaker 3: Daniel?
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Speaker 2: In the Avid era, in the Howard era, if someone
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Speaker 2: had expressed support for Al Qaeder or Islamic state, that
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Speaker 2: would have been grounds to deport them. How has this
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Speaker 2: changed and where's the Attorney General Mark Drayfus. I mean
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Speaker 2: ASIO now reports through his portfolio he's not been put
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Speaker 2: under any pressure to deal with this, I think very
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Speaker 2: concerning statement.
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Speaker 1: Well, exactly right, I think a part of it is
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Speaker 1: the press gallery either agrees with the position or the
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Speaker 1: government or they're not interested in asking any serious questions
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Speaker 1: about it. I think that the other issue you've got is,
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the issues in Western Sydney or as
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Speaker 1: James mentioned, the issues in Western Sydney and the seats
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Speaker 1: that Labor want to hold on to. I mean that's
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Speaker 1: the reason why Tony Burk was put into that portfolio.
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Speaker 1: He is there simply to manage what they consider to
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Speaker 1: be a significant electoral challenge facing them at the next election.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think Australians can have any confidence that
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Speaker 1: this cabinet is actually being set up to benefit the
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Speaker 1: national interest. It's being sent up in order to give
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Speaker 1: Labor the best chance of holding those seats.
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Speaker 3: James, what's going on at the ABC.
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Speaker 2: We've got the ABC chief Managing director David Anderson in
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Speaker 2: a shock move today announcing he will resign or stepping aside.
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Speaker 3: Same thing.
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Speaker 2: He's only one year in to a five year second term.
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Speaker 3: What's going on?
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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, this is a real shocker of a piece
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Speaker 12: of news here, Peter. Nobody saw this coming. Really. David Anderson,
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Speaker 12: you know, has been the public pace of the ABC,
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Speaker 12: certainly a lot of estimates, hearings that you and I
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Speaker 12: have watched with great interest over the years. The question
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Speaker 12: is now he's been under fire internally for an awful
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Speaker 12: lot of things, you know, the way they've had a
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Speaker 12: lot of internal matters. He's been under fire from the
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Speaker 12: left amazingly enough when you look at social media, they
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Speaker 12: think that he's some sort of conservative shill, which is hilarious.
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Speaker 12: They also there's also the questions can he not get
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Speaker 12: along with Kim Williams, the new chair. So there's a
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Speaker 12: lot of opacity about this at the moment. Peter and
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Speaker 12: I think we need to figure out a little bit
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Speaker 12: more about just what happened here. He is going to
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Speaker 12: serve out until they appoint a new director, but in
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Speaker 12: the meantime there's a big restructure on at the ABC
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Speaker 12: that he started, but then he's apparently not gonna be
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Speaker 12: around to finish. So again, what's going on with our
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Speaker 12: money that the spending restructuring and ratings for them keep
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Speaker 12: falling off a cliff. I just think it's more of
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Speaker 12: the mess at the ABC.
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Speaker 4: Peter.
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Speaker 3: I hope they're not going to pay out his contract.
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Speaker 2: I hope that's pursued by senators and estimates age care
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Speaker 2: Daniel massive.
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Speaker 3: Reforms on the way.
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Speaker 2: We still don't know exactly what's going to be put
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Speaker 2: on the table, a lot rumoring, but what is clear
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Speaker 2: if you are not.
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Speaker 3: On the pension.
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Speaker 2: So if you're a self on the retiree, you've worked
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Speaker 2: hard your whole life to not be on the public
21:31
Speaker 2: teat when you're retired to provide for yourself, you're going
21:34
Speaker 2: to cop one hundred and fifty percent sort of increases
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Speaker 2: in both your home care package and any bed you
21:42
Speaker 2: might need in a nursing home. My concern here this
21:48
Speaker 2: is a disincentive for people who want to look after
21:51
Speaker 2: themselves and be independent in retirement. But it'll send a
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Speaker 2: lot of people who are close to the pension limit
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Speaker 2: down the path of pension.
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Speaker 3: They restructure their.
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Speaker 2: Affairs because the only way they know they can afford
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Speaker 2: to retire and live comfortably and no one on the
22:08
Speaker 2: pension does or at least provide for their age care,
22:11
Speaker 2: is to fall on the side of the pension not
22:14
Speaker 2: be self funded.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, I mean, clearly we have a big
22:19
Speaker 1: issue in this country with an aging population, a greater
22:23
Speaker 1: share that you're going to need age care support and
22:26
Speaker 1: a government budget that's basically out of control. But we
22:29
Speaker 1: cannot deal with this simply by hosing the middle class
22:32
Speaker 1: who have worked hard the whole life and done the
22:33
Speaker 1: right thing and played by the rules. I think what
22:36
Speaker 1: the Shadow Health Minister and Rustin has said today that
22:39
Speaker 1: the government needs to release its plan and release any
22:42
Speaker 1: draft legislation to the public to have full consultation is
22:45
Speaker 1: exactly right. But we know that this government has had
22:47
Speaker 1: a pattern of repeated behavior with its secretive behavior. We've
22:51
Speaker 1: seen that with the Voice to Parliament where they said no,
22:53
Speaker 1: just go vote and we'll tell you what's going to
22:56
Speaker 1: happen the day after you vote. We've seen it with
22:58
Speaker 1: the Nature positive legislation or the religious discrimination laws where
23:03
Speaker 1: they've closed people in meetings and said, well, you can
23:06
Speaker 1: only look at a part of the bill and you're
23:07
Speaker 1: not allowed to talk about it in public. So there's
23:09
Speaker 1: a pattern of behavior where the government doesn't want to
23:11
Speaker 1: have a proper consultation or a proper debate.
23:14
Speaker 3: You just played those.
23:14
Speaker 1: Clips before of Parliament where Anthony Albernezi and others aren't
23:18
Speaker 1: interested in answering questions properly, So you know this is
23:21
Speaker 1: the real issue. Let's have a proper debate about how
23:23
Speaker 1: to fund age care and how to fund the NDIS,
23:26
Speaker 1: rather than it being done behind closed.
23:27
Speaker 2: Doors, and not change the rules for people who are
23:33
Speaker 2: currently now in the retirement phase. Change it for someone
23:36
Speaker 2: like me. I'm young enough to be able to restructure
23:38
Speaker 2: my life. But if you've already retired now or you're
23:42
Speaker 2: in an age care facility, we cannot change the rules
23:45
Speaker 2: on those people. Let's go to Chicago now, a big
23:47
Speaker 2: day three the Democratic National Convention. I'll raft of left
23:52
Speaker 2: wing worthies, party heavyweights, a bit of Hollywood hit the stage.
23:56
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
23:57
Speaker 13: Yeah, I want to do it, sir.
23:59
Speaker 2: I'm still younger than Donald Trump.
24:03
Speaker 14: And no matter who you are, Kamala Harris is going
24:06
Speaker 14: to stand up and fight for your freedom to live
24:08
Speaker 14: the life that you want to lead, because that's what
24:13
Speaker 14: we want for ourselves and it's what we want for
24:16
Speaker 14: our neighbors.
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Speaker 5: Common sense tells you that Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas
24:22
Speaker 5: can give us decency. Let's all choose Kamala Harrah.
24:37
Speaker 9: James.
24:38
Speaker 2: We'll come back to the VP pick in a moment.
24:39
Speaker 2: But in this post me too world, I cringe when
24:43
Speaker 2: I see Bill Clinton, and I look at Oprah and
24:46
Speaker 2: I wonder, how on earth does a multi billionaire sort
24:49
Speaker 2: of you know, California and Hollywood type play out in
24:53
Speaker 2: the seats that they really need to win. Yeah, they've
24:55
Speaker 2: got New York and they've got California, but the fights
24:57
Speaker 2: in the middle, How does this go down in Middle America?
25:00
Speaker 3: Well?
25:00
Speaker 12: Look, you know, Peter, I just thought the whole thing
25:03
Speaker 12: was bizarre. I spent the whole day watching it. For
25:05
Speaker 12: my sins. The idea of Bill Clinton there, who looks
25:09
Speaker 12: like the portrait of Dorian greygot brought down out of
25:11
Speaker 12: the attic spragging that he looks younger, or that he's
25:13
Speaker 12: younger than Donald Trump, I thought was pretty spectacular. Besides
25:17
Speaker 12: all the me too business. Again, you know, we've had
25:20
Speaker 12: all of these very very rich people. We had Michelle
25:23
Speaker 12: Obama saying that, you know, her parents taught her, you
25:26
Speaker 12: know that people who take more than their fair share
25:28
Speaker 12: aren't you know, good people. She has four houses. I mean,
25:31
Speaker 12: what are these people on about the whole thing? I
25:34
Speaker 12: think is very confected and every attack is an admission.
25:38
Speaker 12: You know, all of this stuff about joy conceals a
25:42
Speaker 12: real sort of anger at Trump, at Republicans. You see
25:45
Speaker 12: this the way Bill Clinton spoke and tore into Trump
25:48
Speaker 12: and then went all sweetness and light. We saw this
25:50
Speaker 12: with the Obamas, this same pattern again, and yet there's
25:54
Speaker 12: no policies coming out, and the one policies that have
25:57
Speaker 12: come out have sunk like a stone. And I think
25:59
Speaker 12: Americans really want a lot more than just all of
26:03
Speaker 12: this sort of feeling and memes.
26:08
Speaker 2: She might be the vice president, but I think most
26:10
Speaker 2: Americans don't know hell of a lot about Kamala Harris
26:12
Speaker 2: and and nothing at all I reckon about Tim Waltz.
26:15
Speaker 2: His big job today was to introduce himself to voters.
26:19
Speaker 3: How did he go?
26:21
Speaker 12: Look, he gave a speech that was technically a very
26:24
Speaker 12: very good political speech, but you know, within that, his
26:30
Speaker 12: whole story, his whole life is confected.
26:32
Speaker 9: You know.
26:33
Speaker 12: I mean even one of the people who introduced him
26:34
Speaker 12: called him command Sergeant Major Tim Walls. It was not
26:38
Speaker 12: his rank, and he claimed that rank falsely, that that
26:41
Speaker 12: was his rank when he retired from National Guard. It wasn't.
26:44
Speaker 12: He talked about, you know, fighting crime in his home state,
26:47
Speaker 12: when in fact, crime in his home state has gone
26:49
Speaker 12: up since he has been governor. All sorts of indicators
26:53
Speaker 12: have gone down in his state as governor. So you
26:58
Speaker 12: dig in and you scratched him. Waltz's They put them
27:00
Speaker 12: on the ticket like this sort of suburban goofy dad
27:04
Speaker 12: character from a sitcom. But this isn't a sitcom. It's
27:06
Speaker 12: much more serious than that, And you scratch the service
27:09
Speaker 12: is a hard left Upper Midwest progressive, and you know
27:13
Speaker 12: you don't want them anywhere near the economy, education, crime borders,
27:17
Speaker 12: any of that stuff.
27:20
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you, James, Thank you, Daniel. See you
27:23
Speaker 2: next week after the break. We're here for one of
27:25
Speaker 2: the local mayors whose community is now in turmoil after
27:28
Speaker 2: the eleventh our decision by Tanya Pleavasek to veto a
27:32
Speaker 2: billion dollar gold.
27:33
Speaker 3: Mine and hundreds of jobs with it.
27:36
Speaker 2: Buss John Anderson coming up on the rights of all
27:39
Speaker 2: newborns to medical treatment and human dignity. Welcome back still,
27:47
Speaker 2: John Anderson, former Deputy Prime Minister, joins me to discuss
27:51
Speaker 2: the refusal of the Senate to even debate a resolution
27:54
Speaker 2: to protect newborns. But first I want to return to
27:58
Speaker 2: the truly baffling decision. By time, you're plebasic Divido are
28:01
Speaker 2: one billion dollar gold mine in Central West New South Wales.
28:05
Speaker 2: Now this is despite the company behind the project, Regious Resources,
28:09
Speaker 2: going through a near four year environmental assessment. Now it
28:13
Speaker 2: cleared the assessments at both state and federal level. In
28:17
Speaker 2: addition to the environmental tests. We know that the Orange
28:21
Speaker 2: Local Aboriginal Land Council last year said it was not
28:25
Speaker 2: against approving the mine, and yet with the stroke of
28:28
Speaker 2: a pen, the Minister has killed it off and with
28:32
Speaker 2: it five hundred and twenty construction jobs nearly three hundred
28:36
Speaker 2: permanent positions. Naturally, the local community that stood to benefit
28:40
Speaker 2: from the mine is confused and angry. Joining me now
28:44
Speaker 2: to discuss just how deeply this decision is being felt locally.
28:48
Speaker 2: The mayor of Blaney Shah Council, Scott Ferguson. Scott, welcome
28:53
Speaker 2: to the show. Thank you for your time. This decision
28:56
Speaker 2: was made public on Friday, so so I imagine you know
28:59
Speaker 2: you and your caunsel are still digesting it. But what's
29:03
Speaker 2: the reaction you've got from locals.
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Speaker 11: Well, good evening, Peter, and thank you for having me on.
29:08
Speaker 11: And I think you summed it up pretty well in
29:11
Speaker 11: your introduction around the confusion and shock I guess of
29:15
Speaker 11: this announcement by the minister. While there's certainly a group
29:19
Speaker 11: of people in our community that are very happy with
29:21
Speaker 11: the announcement, generally speaking, not only within our community but
29:25
Speaker 11: around the wider region, there's certainly plenty of questions to
29:29
Speaker 11: ask about how we get to this point at the
29:32
Speaker 11: eleventh hour, after you've said a rigorous approval process and
29:36
Speaker 11: now at the eleventh hour it appears to be all
29:40
Speaker 11: up in the air, and certainly just lots of questions
29:42
Speaker 11: that at this stage have been unanswered.
29:47
Speaker 2: What's the job opportunities in your local area, Like I
29:50
Speaker 2: mean with this has been a real shot in the arm.
29:54
Speaker 2: Give us a sense of that for local employers and
29:56
Speaker 2: all the knock on benefits you get from a big
29:58
Speaker 2: project in your town.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Look, we are very familiar with mining community. We have
30:05
Speaker 11: lucky enough to have one of the largest underground goal
30:08
Speaker 11: mines certainly in Australia at Kadia, so our community are
30:12
Speaker 11: familiar with mining. We appreciate the economic benefits that mining bring.
30:17
Speaker 11: And even though this potential mind out of film has
30:21
Speaker 11: been in the pipeline for a long time, the sense
30:25
Speaker 11: is that at this point in time in our economy,
30:28
Speaker 11: not only around Australia, but certainly within our region things
30:31
Speaker 11: are definitely slowing down and we all know the reasons
30:34
Speaker 11: for that, and there's a lot of uncertainty, and I
30:37
Speaker 11: think that potentially this type of significant development, if it
30:42
Speaker 11: were to go ahead, would be just just what we
30:48
Speaker 11: need to continue to be confident about the future. So
30:52
Speaker 11: not sure what that looks like at the moment, and
30:54
Speaker 11: it just adds to the uncertainty of this decision by
30:58
Speaker 11: the minister.
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Speaker 2: From what we know, and she's not making the actual
31:05
Speaker 2: grounds used by the Aboriginal group she favored with public
31:09
Speaker 2: or at least not public yet. The Minister appears to
31:13
Speaker 2: have favored the views of one group, the wery A
31:16
Speaker 2: Traditional Owner's Central West Aboriginal Corporation, over the Orange Local.
31:22
Speaker 3: Aboriginal Land Council.
31:24
Speaker 2: Now these are sort of two competing groups that would
31:27
Speaker 2: seem the Orange group had long supported the mind This
31:30
Speaker 2: Waraduri group from documentations, only been in existence for about
31:34
Speaker 2: eighteen months.
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Speaker 3: We don't know who's on it.
31:37
Speaker 2: We only know the first names of people listed against
31:39
Speaker 2: the corporation's paperwork. What do you know about the Warjury
31:43
Speaker 2: Corporation and how widely shared you think their views are?
31:48
Speaker 11: Well personally, we have had no experience or interaction with
31:53
Speaker 11: the corporation. My owning knowledge of them is I believe
31:57
Speaker 11: they were the group that support did the Section ten
32:02
Speaker 11: successfully over Wahloo Mount Panorama. In regards to the go
32:09
Speaker 11: Kar track and the Orange Aboriginal Lands Council came out
32:14
Speaker 11: during the IPC in a fairly neutral position, and I
32:17
Speaker 11: know that proponents had been had a very early engagement
32:21
Speaker 11: with that group. So I think that the confusion around
32:27
Speaker 11: the interaction between these two groups and the influence or
32:31
Speaker 11: not they have on the process, it just added to
32:34
Speaker 11: the confusion to our community, which is very unfortunate because
32:41
Speaker 11: it just just appears instead of bringing us together, this
32:45
Speaker 11: decision is in some ways sort of forcing us apart.
32:51
Speaker 2: I'm told you just come back from Camber. Did you
32:53
Speaker 2: get a meeting with Tanya Plevsek? Were you able to
32:56
Speaker 2: speak with other politicians?
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Speaker 11: Yes, Look, it's been pretty crazy couple of days and
33:01
Speaker 11: I thank our federal member and Andrew g for organize
33:05
Speaker 11: the meeting, and the Minister was quite gracious in her time. Unfortunately,
33:11
Speaker 11: the questions that we asked, she indicated that her decision
33:16
Speaker 11: does not stop the mind. It certainly prohibits the Tailings
33:20
Speaker 11: dam from being where it is. But everything about the
33:25
Speaker 11: decision making process has been confidential continues to be confidential,
33:30
Speaker 11: and for us as a community and certainly as local
33:33
Speaker 11: government that we have been trying to engage in the
33:37
Speaker 11: process and finding out what the status is for a
33:40
Speaker 11: long long time, and everything is just confidential. Everything about
33:44
Speaker 11: this process is hidden and the transparency is just not there,
33:49
Speaker 11: and it's been so frustrating as a community and as
33:53
Speaker 11: local government because we now have a road, for example,
33:58
Speaker 11: that's on the mind insight that now is under this
34:02
Speaker 11: Section Section ten determination and we have no idea what
34:05
Speaker 11: that means for that grade. So it has been very frustrating.
34:11
Speaker 11: The Minister indicated that potentially that there'll be some legal actions.
34:18
Speaker 11: She couldn't say much, but the whole process has not
34:21
Speaker 11: been transparent and we are really calling for a review
34:25
Speaker 11: of the process to make it more transparent and bringing
34:27
Speaker 11: our community along in these determinations of any future Section tense.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll stand here ready to support you on sky
34:37
Speaker 2: and you Scott, so please keep us posted and you're
34:39
Speaker 2: welcome back on the program anytime. I know my viewers
34:42
Speaker 2: are watching this very closely.
34:43
Speaker 3: Thank you. For coming on the show tonight right after break.
34:47
Speaker 2: More in that shameful vote to shut down emotion to
34:49
Speaker 2: protect newborn babies. Plus it's clear the regions have had
34:53
Speaker 2: enough of labor escathing survey of farming community spelling a
34:57
Speaker 2: lot of trouble for labor at the upcoming federal election.
35:06
Speaker 3: Welcome bag.
35:06
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's getting set to take on the Gucci Greens
35:09
Speaker 2: the Teals at the next election. He has a plan
35:11
Speaker 2: on taking through that in the moment. But first I
35:14
Speaker 2: want to return to something I spoke about last night,
35:16
Speaker 2: and if your correspondence is anything to go by, it
35:19
Speaker 2: really struck a nerve.
35:20
Speaker 3: Now.
35:21
Speaker 2: I was disgusted that the Senate, including four Liberals, to
35:25
Speaker 2: their great shame, refused to even allow debate on a
35:28
Speaker 2: resolution that all newborn babies born alive after late term
35:33
Speaker 2: abortions be allowed to receive medical treatment or pain relieving
35:38
Speaker 2: palliative care as a basic human right, rather than being
35:42
Speaker 2: left inhumanely to die. This motion, moved by up Senator
35:47
Speaker 2: Ralph Babbitt, came to light because of a confronting but
35:51
Speaker 2: important testimony from a midwife in Queensland about the practice
35:56
Speaker 2: of late term abortions. What happens when the baby is
36:00
Speaker 2: born alive. I'm going to play a little bit of
36:03
Speaker 2: what she said.
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Speaker 15: We've had babies born alive after terminations from fifteen to
36:08
Speaker 15: twenty two weeks, born alive, gasping for air, moving and
36:13
Speaker 15: having a palpable heart rate, fighting for their lives as
36:17
Speaker 15: we are humans designed to do. Parents of these babies
36:20
Speaker 15: who are born alive after abortion do not want to
36:22
Speaker 15: see or hold them. This means the only person left
36:26
Speaker 15: who could possibly hold them is a midwife or a nurse.
36:30
Speaker 15: If there were a pregnancy life so I've wanted baby,
36:33
Speaker 15: the mother and father would usually comfort that baby while
36:35
Speaker 15: the baby was alive until they pass.
36:40
Speaker 2: Joining me in our former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson, John,
36:43
Speaker 2: this is a confronting and difficult topic, but you and
36:46
Speaker 2: I don't deserve the platforms where've got if we shy
36:49
Speaker 2: away from the difficult and the confronting. I was shocked
36:52
Speaker 2: to learn about two weeks ago that around seven hundred
36:55
Speaker 2: babies in Queensland and Victoria alone in the last day
37:00
Speaker 2: have been born alive, sorry, in the last year, have
37:03
Speaker 2: been born alive. This motion in the Setate was never
37:07
Speaker 2: about restricting abortion. It wasn't about a woman's right to choose.
37:12
Speaker 2: It was about giving the basic human rights to these babies.
37:18
Speaker 2: And how every single senator in that place couldn't support
37:23
Speaker 2: that principle is beyond.
37:26
Speaker 7: Me immensely distressing from a human point of view and
37:32
Speaker 7: deeply chilling from a civilizational point of view. I think
37:35
Speaker 7: the first thing that I would make evident it to
37:40
Speaker 7: my way thinking, is that a baby removed from its mother,
37:43
Speaker 7: it's breathing and has an independent heartbeat. It's just as
37:48
Speaker 7: much as a human being as you and I, Peter,
37:51
Speaker 7: and indeed as the senators who apparently refuse to even
37:55
Speaker 7: discuss this. So you can't sweep it under the carpet,
37:59
Speaker 7: can't say it's part of its mother's body. You can't
38:02
Speaker 7: say it goes to the issue of a mother's right
38:04
Speaker 7: to abortion. You're talking here about a potentially viable human being,
38:09
Speaker 7: up to seven hundred of them in just two of
38:11
Speaker 7: our states in the last twelve months. If our legislators
38:15
Speaker 7: can't see that this goes to the very heart of
38:19
Speaker 7: our democratic civilization, which is based on the idea of
38:23
Speaker 7: the sanctity of life for all, the value and dignity
38:27
Speaker 7: of each and that we cannot take it upon ourselves
38:31
Speaker 7: to exercise the power and life of life and death
38:34
Speaker 7: over others, because every life has intrinsic value. Pety, helpless, pity, helpless.
38:43
Speaker 2: I always thought, at law, if a baby all the
38:49
Speaker 2: way through to an elderly person in palliative care, if
38:52
Speaker 2: you were breathing of your own accord, you were a
38:56
Speaker 2: human being, and you were as much a human being
38:58
Speaker 2: as you or irony of our viewers, our john, and
39:00
Speaker 2: that you then own all of those rights we have
39:04
Speaker 2: and the protections we have in a civilized country like Australia,
39:08
Speaker 2: that is owed to you not because of your race,
39:11
Speaker 2: or your age, or your background, but because we believe
39:14
Speaker 2: in the dignity of human life. I don't understand how
39:17
Speaker 2: anyone little owe medical professionals can be made to walk
39:20
Speaker 2: away from an infant in this circumstance.
39:25
Speaker 7: Well, that strikes the humanness of the issue. I mean,
39:29
Speaker 7: do we value lives? I mean there are other people
39:31
Speaker 7: who are desperate to have children and can't. There will
39:34
Speaker 7: be other people in the same wings of those hospitals
39:36
Speaker 7: who are desperately trying to say premature babies because they
39:40
Speaker 7: want them.
39:41
Speaker 9: Here.
39:41
Speaker 7: We have a situation if you're not wanted, you have
39:43
Speaker 7: no intrinsic value. You can't continue on. And as you say,
39:48
Speaker 7: once you reach the point of saying, we will take
39:50
Speaker 7: upon ourselves the power of life and death. Are the
39:53
Speaker 7: others based on whether we want them and whether we
39:55
Speaker 7: value their lives, rather than recognizing every life has an
39:58
Speaker 7: intrinsic value, none of us are safe. It's the old saying.
40:02
Speaker 7: Once you devalue one life, and we're plainly talking lives here.
40:05
Speaker 7: We're talking let me repeat about babies as I understand it,
40:09
Speaker 7: who have a heartbeat and are breathing independently of their mother.
40:13
Speaker 7: How can you not then say that you are devaluing
40:16
Speaker 7: lives by saying that some can simply be allowed to
40:19
Speaker 7: die cruelly. That's the human side of it, but very dangerously.
40:24
Speaker 7: I can't emphasize this enough in terms of our civilization
40:28
Speaker 7: and that we have. You mentioned the doctors and the
40:30
Speaker 7: healthcare workers. How they can cope with that is beyond me.
40:33
Speaker 7: It really is. I mean, what does a hippocritic oath mean?
40:36
Speaker 7: But over and beyond that that our legislators do not
40:40
Speaker 7: understand the centrality of the idea of the value of
40:43
Speaker 7: every human being. It's like, you can't hide behind the
40:45
Speaker 7: idea that this is a cluster of cells or part
40:47
Speaker 7: of its mother's body anymore than you or I are.
40:50
Speaker 7: Once you start breathing independently, with the heartbeat of your
40:53
Speaker 7: own you can't do it. It's not it's intellectually impossible, let
40:57
Speaker 7: alone morally reprehensible.
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Speaker 2: In some states there is a protection for a baby
41:04
Speaker 2: once it's born, once it's breathing, it gets all the
41:07
Speaker 2: rights that we get as human beings. But not in
41:09
Speaker 2: Queensland and not in Victoria. And I think that was
41:13
Speaker 2: the premise behind this Senate motion, was to say it
41:18
Speaker 2: shouldn't be a lottery as to whether you lib or
41:20
Speaker 2: die as an infant depending on what state you're born in.
41:25
Speaker 2: That's what we need to protect, and we need to
41:27
Speaker 2: I think put this back on the table. I think
41:29
Speaker 2: good on the bulk of National Party and Liberal Party
41:32
Speaker 2: MPs who supported this. I think a great shame on
41:35
Speaker 2: the four Liberals who did not. But this is something
41:38
Speaker 2: that we should all be.
41:39
Speaker 3: Able to agree on.
41:42
Speaker 7: Well, I couldn't agree with you more. The need for
41:44
Speaker 7: national consistency. I mean, this is just ridiculous. So we're
41:47
Speaker 7: saying you have a greater right to life. If you
41:50
Speaker 7: live in New South Wales and if you live in
41:52
Speaker 7: Victoria or in Queensland. I hope that Victorians and Queensland
41:56
Speaker 7: is listening to this will really start to question their
41:58
Speaker 7: local members. They ought to be going to see their
42:00
Speaker 7: local members and saying, look, I'm disgusted by this and
42:04
Speaker 7: I'm chilled by what it means. It's a return to paganism.
42:07
Speaker 7: It denies everything that has gone into Western civilization, which
42:12
Speaker 7: is I cannot emphasize us enough. Again, it depends upon
42:15
Speaker 7: us being blind to color, treating all equally, not taking
42:21
Speaker 7: note of where you live, or what your gender is,
42:23
Speaker 7: or what your wealth is, and for that matter, not
42:26
Speaker 7: drawing lines between one human being is another. Keep coming
42:29
Speaker 7: back this if this is really happening as reported, and
42:32
Speaker 7: with every reason to believe it is, because we know
42:34
Speaker 7: it's happening globally as well. The simple fact of the
42:38
Speaker 7: matter is you've got a very big problem. It's a
42:40
Speaker 7: human being living independently of its mother. It is no
42:43
Speaker 7: longer a cluster of cells or part of the mother's body.
42:46
Speaker 7: As you say, it's a separate issue to abortion.
42:50
Speaker 2: It absolutely is. John, Thank you for your time. I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to give this an issue up. I think
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Speaker 2: it's incredibly important. It's difficult.
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Speaker 3: I know it's difficult. It's difficult for me to raism
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Speaker 3: as well. I couldn't have kids, but I know you
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Speaker 3: want me to talk about it all right.
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Speaker 2: After the break, the Coalition is gearing up to launch
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Speaker 2: a campaign blitz on those Teal held seats, plus regional
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Speaker 2: communities living in a state of fear as sky as
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Speaker 2: crime is skyrocketing at a rate four times higher than
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Speaker 2: city areas.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel, Pauling Hands, the Chief of
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Speaker 2: Staff James Ashby, and Spectator Australian Columns Terry Barnes. We'll
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Speaker 2: start with the Teal seats. The Coalition's gonna run out
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Speaker 2: of blitz on those seats ahead of the next election.
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Speaker 2: Couyong in Melbourne, Kurtin in wa It's a seat in Perth,
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Speaker 2: the two top targets. The Deputy Opposition leader Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: says the Teals have betrayed their electorates and they've now
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Speaker 2: become the official opposition to the opposition.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think she's right there.
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Speaker 2: Terry Treny McIntosh revealed this week the Tals are more
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Speaker 2: likely to vote with the Greens than the Coalition, despite
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Speaker 2: what they told they're electorates. We also know with the
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Speaker 2: Australian Electoral Study that at every five people who voted
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Speaker 2: for the Teals, four of those five had never voted
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Speaker 2: Liberal in the past. So I want to know from you,
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Speaker 2: are these seats even winnable for the Liberals anymore?
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Speaker 16: Well, it's a good question, Peter, and certainly I think
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Speaker 16: in a cost of living election, which I think we're
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Speaker 16: going to have.
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Speaker 9: I mean, we're talking.
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Speaker 16: About very affluent, very leafy seats in Sydney, Melbourne and
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Speaker 16: Perth that really have people who don't have to worry
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Speaker 16: about constability in the way that most Australians do, and
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Speaker 16: they're up at the pairies with climate change, with renewables
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Speaker 16: and all that sort of thing. It's going to be
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Speaker 16: a challenge, I think for the coalition of the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 16: particularly to take it up to them. However, peted Upton's
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Speaker 16: got the winded his sales at the moment, but he
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Speaker 16: doesn't have the backing of the Liberal Party organizations in
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Speaker 16: New South Wales or Victoria, which they're both clown circuses
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Speaker 16: as we've been seeing.
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Speaker 9: And you need strong people on the ground. In terms
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Speaker 9: of candidates. You need strong resources in.
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Speaker 16: Terms of funding and back up, but you also need
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Speaker 16: to support on the ground with volunteers. I don't look
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Speaker 16: I'm hopeful, but I'm pessimistic that Peter Dubtan is going
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Speaker 16: to get the back up he needs.
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Speaker 2: James, I'm going to get some local Queensland intel from you.
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Speaker 2: We heard Graham Perrot today announced he was resigning from parliament.
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Speaker 2: He's going to leave the seat of Morton at the
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Speaker 2: next election. The Greens had a good showing in this
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Speaker 2: seat at the last federal election. They've got a candidate
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Speaker 2: I understand she's sort of a pro Palestinian type activist.
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Speaker 3: How do you think this is going to play out.
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Speaker 9: I don't think the Greens will pick the seat up.
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Speaker 17: They'll try their hardest, and they do a very good
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Speaker 17: campaign job when they're on the ground. As we've heard today,
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Speaker 17: they blitz it with volunteers. Is door knocking and you
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Speaker 17: know they can reach tens of thousands of people just
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Speaker 17: with their volunteers base. So exactly what was said before,
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Speaker 17: They've got a great base there. But I just don't
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Speaker 17: see that area as necessarily being green overall. The labor
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Speaker 17: party can keep it out of the hands of the Greens,
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Speaker 17: by the way, because if it does come down to
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Speaker 17: a Labor Green two party preferred, obviously the Coalition aren't
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Speaker 17: going to preference the Greens or Worr. I'd hope not,
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Speaker 17: and Labour should think the same way. If you want
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Speaker 17: to keep these seats out of the hands of the Greens,
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Speaker 17: stop preferencing them. So I say that to Anthony Albernezi
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Speaker 17: and the other Labor colleagues, stop preferencing the Greens ahead
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Speaker 17: of this next selection.
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Speaker 3: I want to stay with the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: I mean Ray Hadley, TGB and Sydney really gave it
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Speaker 2: to them this week. He's gone on the issue for
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Speaker 2: a couple of days after that debarkling New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 13: Look, I've got leaks left, right and center from the
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Speaker 13: right wing. Why do you people get the balls to
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Speaker 13: actually come on this program and say what you're saying
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Speaker 13: to me privately? Get on the air now and tell
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Speaker 13: the left of your party you've had a gutfull of them.
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Speaker 13: You know who you are. From the right, Anthony Roberts,
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Speaker 13: Alistair Henskins, come on, get on here and challenge them.
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Speaker 3: Boy it doesn't mince his words, Terry Barnes.
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Speaker 16: No, he doesn't, and he's able to do quite right.
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Speaker 16: I mean it goes back to saying before about clown circuses, Peter.
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Speaker 16: I mean the New South Wales the rules are a
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Speaker 16: total basket case at the moment. I can't get candidates
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Speaker 16: in the field. If you want to actually knock out
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Speaker 16: the Teals, for instance, you actually have to have good
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Speaker 16: people pre selected in the first place. I mean, clearly,
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Speaker 16: the factual infighting in New South Wales's vision is absolutely appalling.
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Speaker 16: And if Don Harwin the President did not fall on
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Speaker 16: his sword last week, I can't believe it.
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Speaker 9: I mean with Don Harwin, you har loose, don't you.
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Speaker 3: I got to go, mate, I got to leave it there.
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Speaker 3: I better get away.
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Speaker 2: Thank you both. Have a great weekend. Have a great weekend.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you all on Monday night. Here's Andrew Bolt