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• Catie: Welcome back to From Nine to Mom. Danielle: Where we discuss balancing the nine to five hustle with the beautiful chaos that we call motherhood. Catie: And today's a really special episode. Danielle: It is because we already dropped the announcement, but drum roll. Katie, what do we do? Catie: Digital Wave Media Solutions is now I know. I Danielle: Come into life. Catie: Danielle, if you guys missed our our Instagram post, Danielle and I officially are full time in business together. and we're really excited. Danielle: Yeah, I and I think people are like, Wow, you guys didn't spend enough time together before, you just wanted to start a business together and the answer is yes, absolutely. We know exactly what we're doing. Catie: One hundred percent. I think this was a very natural fit for us. We both we joke all the time how similar but different we are. And I know a lot of people that Danielle: Ice cream. Catie: truly know us are like, you guys couldn't be more different. But we always me and you always are like, no, a lot of our core stuff is very similar. we both grew up in you know, small business households. Our dads are business owners and Danielle: Okay. Catie: you know, we've always been business minded and Danielle: People, Catie: I think it was just in our Danielle: overachievers. Catie: overachievers. Yeah, like I it was in our blood to work for ourselves. Danielle: Yeah. At some point, I don't even think I we knew that that was in our blood per se. we were both chasing careers for so long and getting wrapped up in that piece in a good way. But I don't even know that I realized that I wanted to own my own business until we were landing in it. Catie: Right. I think it's hard to look at because we both started in corporate corporate jobs. Danielle: Yes, real corporate. Catie: And realistically, we've been in that. we've been agency side for eight years, but pretty much both of all of our experience before that was more corporate side. I had more a little more agency experience. But for the most part, we've always had that. And I think now just we've gone from so rigid corporate, flexible agency life and then now working for ourselves. It's kind of a a way. I do think though, like deep down I knew that I'd always like do something on my own. Like I'd own something or I would like I kind of figured that was a path for me. I never really liked working for people. And I don't Danielle: Yeah, I always got lucky to be in roles where I worked for somebody, but they weren't in my space. Does that make sense? I've always had the ability to be I hate to say it this way, but to be in control of at least my team where there wasn't somebody in the building with me really that man managed me. Catie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. And you're not a microman yeah, you're not a micromanager either though. So like Danielle: No. Catie: it it is like more you attract that to like when you're with that style of leadership, you give that off to. Danielle: I try aka like you, I try and build teams or build build people around me that obviously coincide Catie: Yeah. Danielle: with my style, but also that have can think critically and make decisions and I trust to make those decisions. And I think that's where you and I landed together. And I do think I knew I'd own a business, but I genuinely thought it would probably be like in my family's always owned family businesses, everybody owned them together and now we're just a family supporting businesses, if that makes sense. Like we support each other. Catie: Yeah. Well, we're different because we are pretty much we're pretty much married now, l legally. Danielle: Yeah, we are work wives. Legally we are married. you guys don't understand. this is something where you might understand because a lot of you that we've talked to have gone into business with your new wife as well. And the reality is your life insurance, your business insurance, your assets. we are more married, I think, than I am married to Jordan at this point. Catie: To in a in a legal and financial way, we know more than our husbands would know about each other's situations. We know social security numbers, we know banks, we know Danielle: Every everything I feel like at this point. Yes. Seriously. That's so crazy, right? Catie: how much money we need. It is weird. yeah, but I feel like we do a pretty good job of when we talk about business stuff and we talk about different and I honestly think the podcast helps us with separation a little bit Danielle: Yes, I agree. Catie: where we talk about things. let's not joke that we didn't talk for forty five minutes this morning complaining about our morning routines and getting Danielle: Yes, we did. Catie: kids out of the house and then naturally going into, we need to do this deal and close this like it's just Danielle: this business and we are X we need X percentage of this to hit our goal. It's a really Catie: Here's our budget review. Yeah. Yeah. Danielle: interesting conversation, from wiping butts to crunching numbers. It's fine. I feel very good about Catie: That's good. Danielle: it. Catie: Yeah. But I think one of our biggest things is this podcast is built for working moms and we've had so many entrepreneurial women on this show. And honestly, like we've been like thinking about this for such a long time and having it in the background and all the people that we've had on here and just hearing their stories of like when they got started and you know How hard it is when you have kids to build something like this. And, you know, I feel very lucky that we get we are in the situation we're in and can do this. Danielle: Yes. Catie: and yeah, I think we were just really inspired by a lot of the people that were on here and hearing how they did it was motivation for us of like, we're gonna do this now. Danielle: We can do it it really made us believe that we've always believed in ourselves and our capabilities and our skills in the right environment. But I think talking, like you said, to so many empowering people, especially working moms that have done it and taken the leap of faith. And that's one thing Katie and I always talk about is like that leap of faith. When was it like time for us? And neither of us were innate risk takers, I I would say. Catie: That's what was going through my brain right now is that neither of us Danielle: Right. Like we're we're we weren't most people. We wanted to be the we laugh all the time. We want to be the captain of our sporting teams, whether you consider it cheerleading a sport or not. I do. But the captain, the the student body president, whatever it was we like wanted to achieve, but we were achieving under a system of somebody else's Catie: Guarantees. Danielle: guarantees. And Katie and I talked, you have no idea how much we talked about what this looks like for us, but I think just in the last truly two years, I would say, of watching each other grow up through the podcast. And the we've become more capable, a, and be willing to take risks like this one. So Catie: Yeah. Danielle: it really required though growth, I think, on both of our ends to to be able to say, like, yeah, let's let's go all in. And even in the last two weeks, there's been moments where we've had to coach each other more so like me, like, just do it. Like, just go. It's time. Catie: Put up or shut up. Danielle: Yeah, right. put up or shut up. I like it. let's go. So we're here. And I think with the podcast, those of you who have talked to us privately probably or listened to some of our earlier episodes, we started the podcast honestly as a work experiment, as a a work project Catie: Right. That was always a Danielle: together. and when we started the podcast, and sorry if you do know the story, but we started it. Because we were trying to figure out what was going to be more beneficial to our clients and to our agency. Was it going to be podcasting or webinar series? Spoiler, we ended up doing both things. but the podcast, we didn't know what to talk about at first because we didn't want to jump in with marketing and mess it up. Catie: We marketing marketing was gonna be so boring. There are so many marketing podcasts and we're like, what would even differentiate us? And do we just push that con what what would we be talking Danielle: What do we do? Catie: about? regurgitate stuff we're hearing on other, know, podcasts Danielle: Yeah. Catie: right now. And podcasting's a tough world. It's great for content development and that, but let's be honest, unless you're rich and famous, you're not making more riches on the podcast front. Danielle: No, you're not. And the thing we had in common that we were both just brand new moms. I was traveling a lot with the baby. And I remember Katie and I were like, we talk all a lot about being working moms, the struggles, the difficulties, the wins, all of it. Catie: Sitting on Zoom. Yeah. Danielle: And that's what we decided to go with. And this journey has led us so many places. But we started coaching people on podcasting and then talking to Entrepreneurs about their marketing strategies and their lead funnel strategies and operations, because Katie and I are both slightly operations based from from our previous lives as well. So it's like tying all these pieces together for other people. We're like, why are we not doing this together for us? Right. Like, let's do this for us. Catie: We just both had we both had never thought of it that way. But then like people did want to work with us. And there is something like the last two years, like there's been a really big movement of like women-owned businesses, mom-owned businesses. And I feel so cliche, like saying, We're both like, you know, there there's Danielle: Yeah. Catie: benefits to it, but like Women do like to work with other women and Danielle: Yes. Catie: not that it's a bad thing and we listen, we've work with men and you know, it's not something like that, but it's just you know, people there's a lot of different aspects now. There's so many ways to get marketing, there's so many different things and finding someone that is the right fit and thinks more your wavelength is more important at this point because everyone has the tools, everyone has AI, like how do you use that to know. Danielle: And what lens are you looking through? And I think when you look at women-owned businesses, especially that you don't even need to have kids. I've talked to just w women-owned businesses. That's one lens itself. And then you put the filter on when you have Catie: Yeah. Yes. Right. Danielle: kids and the relatability and the understanding and the message that you're trying to get across. And I think there there are a lot of guys out there who want that lens because their clients are women and working moms. So it all goes full circle. when you think about it that way. And I I'm very excited. Katie and I are both very excited. But it's really truly been a reframing of what does success look like to us right now. And we both sat at a conference. We've talked about this before. But do you remember where they had us write down what success looked like to us? Catie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Danielle: And it really caused us to look inward and say, what does it actually look like today versus what it looked like five, 10, 15 years ago. And I think having kids, COVID moving Catie: Yep. Danielle: into this era, we still want to achieve big things. We still want to help as many people in a very meaningful way as we can, but we want to do that with not I'm not going to use the word work-life balance because I don't think that exists post-COVID. And with AI and technology, like work-life Catie: Mm-hmm. Danielle: balance, there's a phone everywhere, your email, everything's connected. But flexibility to be the mom that you want to be and also be the entrepreneur and the businesswoman that we know we can be. And I think that's more of what success looks like to us Catie: Yeah. Danielle: today. Catie: Yeah. I think at that point, it's funny because yeah, even five years ago, six years ago, I would have wrote making X amount of money or whatever it is. Take. No, I know, Danielle: Take over this company. Make the biggest seriously, that was my goals. Catie: like for real, it would be like be the next VP or whatever, like Danielle: Yes. Catie: buy part of whatever. And I think If I remember correctly, it was that we both were like, we don't want to miss anything along the way. And I think it's funny because that's part of what we were both talking about this morning, was like, I'm glad so this is my third official week being full-time digital wave media. And Danielle: Yes. Catie: honestly, it's been kind of a bit of a struggle because I'm present. But I'm almost like, am I too present now? do I am I like Danielle: Ha ha ha. Catie: is it that I have too much time? Like sometimes time is crippling when you have a lot of it or not a lot. And like, don't get me wrong, we have media we we have commitments and we have things on the work front, but then I'm like, I wanna be able to drop off every day. I love getting Jack on the bus every day. And but it's also like driving me a little insane. Because I'm like, I do this, then I don't start my day till whatever time. And know, I'm so Danielle: Yes. Catie: you anyone listening, you probably I'm a routine person. So being able to have the ability to change the routine and do what I want is almost crippling at times. Danielle: Freaking you out. Where for me, I feel this is my first official week Catie: Mm-hmm. Danielle: is full-time digital wave. I traveled this weekend for work and I came back on Monday. And for me, I feel like a weight is lifted a little bit off my shoulders in regards to routine because I feel like I'm not as scattered answering to everybody. As I was before, I was always in this mode of like, who's gonna contact me? What's gonna happen? and I let that really paralyze me a little bit. so I do feel and I feel bad that for you because I know your routine, I feel like I can actually create maybe a routine Catie: Yeah. Danielle: for myself now. But also I think the part when you go into business and it's just us two guys. Like we have a s a small team, but it's it's us, right? So Catie: Nobody full yeah, no full time team. Danielle: It's one of those things where we have to make the money. Like the stress and the pressure is on us. Like it's not something where if you have a bad week, it's okay, because it's not Catie: Yeah. Danielle: okay. And I think that's the part that's hard because the whole reason we did this was so that you could drop the kids off and get Jack on the bus. Like that's the reason we're doing it, but not Catie: And that's the main goal, right? Danielle: feeling guilty that you did that because that impact. Impacted the rest of your day. We both know, and working moms can attest to this. Moms in general can attest to this. If we're given a task that takes somebody else like three hours, we're doing it in 30 minutes because we don't have time for that. We don't, we don't have time. So Catie: yeah. Mm-hmm. Danielle: you can do it. I think that it's a different kind of guilt. And we've talked about this as the weeks have progressed too. Like Let's use traveling. Okay. So when you travel, there's stuff you've got to get ready. And Katie and I both are traveling in the next month. So when you're traveling, there's stuff you got to get ready. Like you can't go with janky nails to the conference because you're shaking hands, right? And Catie: No, that's a sin. Danielle: you have to get them done. But you feel guilty if you go at night because now you've worked all day and you're taking away time from your kids. You Catie: Yeah. Danielle: should be able to go on your lunch break, but then you're feeling guilty that you're going on your lunch break. And before it was more like, It they better be done in an hour because if I'm not done in an hour, somebody's gonna try and reach me and I'm gonna be freaked out and blah, blah, blah. You couldn't put nail appointment on the calendar. Let's just put it that way. Now Catie: Right. Yeah. Right, right. Danielle: Katie and I are like, nail appointment 1.5 hours, hopefully. But we don't schedule, like we Catie: Ha ha ha. Danielle: do it that way, but then there's a guilt when you're there that's different because it's like I should be prospecting or I should be calling a client right now, right? Like it's a different, Catie: Every minute should go to right. Danielle: it's weird, and I don't know how you get over it. Catie: I don't know. Maybe somebody that's out, that's on the other end of it, can tell us that. But I think right now just being in the starting phase of anything is always stressful, scary. But we both have said, this is like we haven't felt this level Danielle: It's good. Catie: of good stress in a while. obviously, you always are gonna worry about money. they're just different worries. even when you work, differently and you have a guaranteed paycheck, you still worry about money. Danielle: And I feel like, and maybe you don't feel I feel this way. I don't know if I've said this out loud. I'm more concerned about disappointing you than I ever was about disappointing other. It's a different kind of disappointment because it's like you we've made the bet on each other and Catie: Right. Danielle: we're doing this together. So I don't want to disappoint you because you're my business partner and our success together. Matters where I did care if I disappointed other people, don't get me wrong, but it's just a different kind. Catie: Well, now it's just each other. I g I think I feel the same way is like now, and when you think about it, a lot of people do start businesses on their own, right? And they go and you know, I I Danielle: Which would be lonely to me, so thank you. Catie: think that was it. Like people do ask, they're like, how you know, why a partnership or that? Like you both can do freelance marketing and, you know, take on less and it could be really still profitable. But I think that was a big thing is neither of us wanted to do it alone and like. being a working bomb too, you need to have somebody to hold you accountable. And we're both gonna attempt to do that with each other of like Danielle: We do that now. We're I think we're pretty good at it and like leveling out and talking about being honest with each other. But that's the benefit of having eight years under our belt of working together, then doing the podcasts together. We are that was something that was really important to both Katie and I. So if you ever get with a partner, a friend, especially like a good friend, you have to be honest from day one. Like if you try and tiptoe, I don't know if you guys have watched the Secret Life of Earl or whatever, Alex Earl's show. I don't want to give a spoiler alert, but there's a friendship that turns like the friendship's great. They because they were honest with each other. But it's one of those Catie: Yep. Danielle: things where the honesty from day one was so important and being transparent Catie: Yeah. Danielle: about our feelings, which is awesome because where else have you worked where you can just genuinely be like, hey, This is a real conversation from this week from I'm not gonna say which one of us, but I'm getting my period this week. So I just think that it's like getting me here. And then the other person says, Does that mean I'm getting my period too? So this is a com Catie: mean, we don't even have to hide it. It's totally like that's that is gonna be another factor Danielle: That's a conversation we had. Catie: about us owning businesses is like I think we've been synced for like five years. Danielle: I do too. And we don't guys, we don't live close to each other. It's this is like this is transmis transmittance of hormones like across many state lines at this point. And Catie: it's so funny. Yeah. But then somehow when we're always together, we're both synced up. It's weird. Danielle: It's like magic. It's it's magic. Because you want to know why. I pulled our to our Oracle card. I forgot to tell you. This is the picture if you're watching and she's beautiful. But it says my energy is my greatest currency. So our energy is just so strong, we give each other our periods. Period. Done. Catie: Wow. I was talking to my nail tech yesterday because the the nail story is also true from yesterday. I went and got my nails done in the middle of the day. Or no, Tuesday. What day is it? Thursday. So Danielle: Well, you were going to see your husband, so that was really important. Catie: And by husband she means Joe Jonas. But I Danielle: They're married guys. Catie: was talking to her and she was asking how things were going 'cause I've been giving her, you know, life updates as we go 'cause you confide in hair people like your hairstylists, your yes. Danielle: Your therapist, nails, hair therapists. Thank you to all of you. Catie: yeah, so we don't tip you enough. And I said we were ta somehow it came up and we were talking about how like we literally she plays Grey's Anatomy, like while we're she's on all she's on me and her on the same level of all the shows, but like Right now it's reruns Danielle: I love this. Catie: of Grays while you're in the in the seat. And she was we were talking somehow it came up and we were talking about being spiritual or not. And I go, it's funny because a lot of people around me are fairly spiritual and that and she's like, Do you mean like woo-woo spiritual or like religion? And I go, woo-woo. And she goes, Okay, good, my type of people. So she starts pulling up all these videos on her phone and is you need to watch this. And like we're going like for a while, and I go. Danielle would love that you're making me watch all of this. And she was like, We ha Danielle: Would. I'm thank you. Catie: you just have to believe that there's something. And I was like, I don't think I don't believe. It's just I'm so logical with a lot of stuff. So I can get past stress. I can get past things because I just try to think loud. If if there's an explanation for something, my brain can be at peace with that. Danielle: So it's funny you say that because I'm also historically a very logical person, facts over feelings, like facts over feelings, facts over feelings, because that's why I like in school I majored in business, but I minored in I didn't want to take the very last one, which I should have done. But I have a minor in math because I love math. There's always a clear, I love science. There's a clear answer. But then when I started realizing what I loved about those things, right? I wanted to be a lawyer because you, if there's an answer, you can debate. here's the facts, here's the, there's all so many things, right? But then I realized I didn't really care about the end, the logic. I cared about the journey of figuring it out. this is why it's logical. And I think spoo boo spirituality is more of like a this is why things feel this like are doing these Things. It gives you a an ability to look outside black and white and say the journey Catie: Yeah. Danielle: to the end is the part that's unique. The end is still the whatever is supposed to happen is gonna happen. There's logic, or I don't know how to explain what I'm trying to say. But essentially it's like I I think I thought I was super logical because it made me feel more comfortable. Like it makes me more Catie: Yeah. Danielle: comfortable to know that there's an answer. And when you start like, I started asking questions early as a kid, but. You start asking questions about spirituality or woo-woo or whatever it is that you're thinking about and you're like, Wait, what is but what does that mean? How do we know? And there's lots of things we don't know about in the world, but that's scary because there's not a there's not a clear cut Catie: Yeah. Danielle: path or solution. So I think that that's I can understand why it would make you feel less comfortable, but also it's really fun. Catie: I was explaining to her as well about how I don't even remember how it came up, but our our blood types making us like what alien lizard Danielle: We are aliens. Catie: people and that and I was like Danielle: Heather McMahon just confirmed that there's lizard people everywhere. So I don't know. that's what I heard. So I feel Catie: True, right? Danielle: like we are, we don't know about it, but it doesn't matter what religion you talk to or spirituality, our blood type, Katie. if it's we're aliens to some, the what it was, the Nephilim to others like it's like, you have the negative blood type. There's a Gray's Anatomy episode about our blood type, isn't it? It's a Gray's Anatomy episode. Catie: We should I don't know, but we should get what is it called if you're like a blood specialist? Like is that a thing? Right. Like we want someone Danielle: Well, phlebotomy is where they take the blood. I don't know what the blood specialists name it. Catie: that knows a lot about blood typing to come on. Danielle: Okay, so we're putting it officially out there. A blood typing specialist, please come on the pod. Catie: Tell us what you are like what what that means. there's gotta be some sort of scientist out there that that's their job. Danielle: Yeah, because when you Google it in the middle of the night 'cause you've never had anybody be R H negative in your life and you wake your mom up crying at thirty two years old because you're like, I'm an alien. Catie: Don't even know what the f it is. Danielle: That's really what all the signs pointed to yes. Catie: We had there was something there that's just confirmed it. So I don't even know how we got on this topic at this point, but realist Danielle: No. I just Catie: back in. Danielle: we're reeling it. Yeah, we're reeling it back in. But all of these things that we're talking about, I think make us like who we are. And I think going into business together is truly, if we're being serious about it, Katie and I have worked with some really amazing teams, some really amazing brands, some really amazing companies. And we've helped build not just marketing plans, but strategies, product development, team. structures for a lot of other people. And I think we're just really excited to take everything that we've learned and that we've done previously together and be able to do that in the outside world for other businesses that are kind of in that boat or want to grow or even want to grow to sell. It doesn't matter. We just want to be there to help create the path and the framework for people to get where Catie: Yeah. Danielle: they want to go. And we really enjoy that part of the process. So I think we're excited to build it for ourselves, but we're excited to build it for other people too. Catie: Yeah. Yeah. I think it's gonna be really exciting because both of us come from different backgrounds with marketing too. Danielle: Yes. Catie: as far as like where we've been in different levels. We both have worked in a lot of different areas of marketing. and I think it makes us really valuable to our future clients, let's say. But we're really excited because, you know, we've been Trying to hone in, what what is a digital marketing agency gonna do? Because there's so many different types, and AI is just such a hard time to like realistically be in marketing. Like people think they can do it themselves. And actually, I don't remember if I sent you this quote or not, but I just pulled it up. But it was very good because people are building websites, they are doing stuff on on AI, but it was Claude makes you a website designer the same way a microwave makes you a chef. Danielle: That is you did not send that to me, but that is such a good point because it's true. You and that's our goal too with what we're doing and building. We have access, we're a full-scale digital advertising agency, but boutique, right? We just have access to all the things that we've been put into contact with before. Catie: Mm-hmm. Danielle: And our goal isn't to tell you don't use AI, it's to teach you how to use AI in the places that it makes sense and when to rely on. your expertise and your experience and our expertise in other people's experiences to Catie: Mm-hmm. Danielle: do the right thing because a microwave meal is better than no meal at all, right? But it's not a sous vide like steak where you've seasoned it and built but you're still using technology. Catie: You need to decide at what level you want to eat at. Danielle: Yeah, what star restaurant are we going to today? And the reality is we all start somewhere. So people who we don't want to make people feel bad who are like, well, I am a microwave marketer right now. that's okay. That's better than not doing anything at all. But if we could help you make it better and stronger and teach your teams how to do that, that's where the real Catie: It's like bringing in a private chef or taking cooking lessons so that you Danielle: Yes. Yes, exactly. Catie: can then level up to be an, home cook. Danielle: So we are, I am not. That's a great well, I'm gonna use it constantly now. Thank you for that. And Catie: This is an amazing analogy. Like we need to use this. Yeah. Yeah. Danielle: I think that though, as we say this, I'm a I'm a terrible chef. So don't ask me to cook for you. But I a I can help you with your marketing and your business organization. We're all good at something. So if you're a chef and Catie: Right. We're specifically trained in certain areas. Danielle: you wanna come in, we'll help you market, you can cook for us. Sounds great. Catie: There we go. That's more what we need. but these are really exciting times, but there's been so many like ups and downs with things. And yeah, I think it's Danielle: Yeah, it's we keep joking. Katie sent me the song, I'm calling it out, the is it roll roller coaster from the Catie: Yes. Yep. Danielle: Jonas Brothers. And I'm an idiot because I don't know. I've been really emotional about this whole process lately. So she sends me this not a stupid song, but the stupid song. And I'm crying listening to this song driving Daisy to work like an idiot. And I look s but next to me and the guy's like looking at me like, Are you okay? Like, I'm fine, I'm fine, you know, just starting the business. Catie: It's just the Jonas brothers. Danielle: We're starting a business with a Joe Bros fan. it's fine, no big deal. and it really is like a been a roller coaster ride. And I know it will I there's gonna be more highs than lows for sure, but it's definitely Catie: Yeah. Danielle: a roller coaster ride, something I'm so glad that we're doing together. But I think and we're our goal with the podcast is not to talk about our business all the time. We just want we know the listener like you guys listen and they we feel like it's a huge part of what's going on in our lives right now. Catie: And a it was a huge reason that we haven't recorded podcasts in the last month. And we've had so many Danielle: Yeah. Catie: guests on, it was the perfect alignment and we just we had a really busy September getting, you know. Danielle: She used the word alignment because she's woo woo. Catie: alignment. All right, fine. It did Danielle: Virtual alignment. Anyway, continue. Catie: but it aligned. And I d listen, I do believe everything happens for a reason. Like I think there is like a reason that everything goes down and it's like you ha there is a path that we're supposed to be on. But Danielle: Yes. Catie: I don't know. I don't know where that puts me. Danielle: I think that it puts you you you don't have to decide. You could be all the things at once. I feel that. I it regardless of you know how you believe or what you do, the reality is is that life is a journey. business is a journey. It's not linear ever. And I'm just happy to be on this roller coaster ride with you, Katie. Catie: What a good ending. It was a lit time. It was great. Not in a Jonas Brothers kind of way. I get it. No, Danielle: We love you. Katie and her sisters are sending me videos of them at the Jonas Brothers, and I'm so jealous because it I wanted to be there so bad, but I live way too far away and I just got home from Houston, which was awesome, but like in its own way, not the Jonas Brothers way. But so Catie: it was it was excellent. If you're in limbo of if you should go to the Jonas Brothers. You should go. Danielle: I went I've been and I will attest to that. as a new Jonas Brothers fan at the time in my late thirties, it was still my number like that was the only person who's ever beat out Hanson or Stray Kids for top spot. So you know, you should Catie: Crazy. Crazy time. Danielle: be really proud. But anyways, I think that like as we go through this, we will definitely share like highs and lows with you guys. We'll give you some stuff, but our goal is still to be. Talking about just being working moms in general and what that that comes with. Catie: Absolutely. And if you've listened this long, you're probably one of the OGs. And if you could send us some referrals, it would be great. Danielle: Yeah, referrals are awesome, guys. Catie: We're at that point. We wanna we wanna bring on a few more before the end of the year. So all right. I think with our Danielle: Yeah, so let us know. But time to clock back into our nine to five, our version of nine to five. Catie: it's like nine to nine. I mean it's twenty-four hours now, right? Danielle: Yeah, let's talk for real. Working mom. Love twenty four hour. Let's just switch gears. We're gonna switch gears. That's what we're gonna call it Catie: Switch. Yeah. Turn this off. We're going to turn something else on. Pretty much where we're at. So we'll Danielle: Yep. Perfect. We'll see you next week. Catie: see you next time.