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Credlin | 7 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredlin live on Sky News Australia. Well, good evening
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Speaker 1: and welcome to the program. I'm James Borrow, filling in
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Speaker 1: this week for Peter Kredlin. Coming up tonight, We've got
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Speaker 1: a big show for you. Labor is once again playing
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Speaker 1: us for fools with the pre election given to try
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Speaker 1: and ease tensions with our supposed ally Israel after months
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Speaker 1: of pandering to the Greens and Muslim voters. Plus let
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Speaker 1: the Australia Day virtue signaling begin. While some companies and
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Speaker 1: councils are now embracing our national Day, others continue the
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Speaker 1: push to divide us. Why I don't know, but Kamala
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Speaker 1: Harris too. She's been forced to certify her rivals win
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Speaker 1: in Washington as Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau falls on
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Speaker 1: his sword. The latest from North America a bit later
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Speaker 1: on in the program. But first, well, it's two of
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Speaker 1: the unofficial election campaign and it is already clear to
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Speaker 1: me that Anthony Albanizi believes that the Australian people have
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Speaker 1: the memory of a goldfish. After more than a year
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Speaker 1: of increasingly hostile relations between Israel, Australia and the putative
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Speaker 1: friend Israel, the only true liberal democracy in the entire
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Speaker 1: Middle East. Weeks and months, and now more than a
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Speaker 1: year of hostile anti Israel demonstrations in our capital cities,
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Speaker 1: many featuring the flags of Hesbala and other terrorist organizations,
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Speaker 1: and a shocking run of anti Semitic attacks in Jewish neighborhoods,
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Speaker 1: the Albenesi government has realized, Hey, we have a problem here,
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Speaker 1: and the Jewish community and plenty of other Australians are
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Speaker 1: mightily upset about it, particularly at the way Labour's Middle
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Speaker 1: East policy has been driven by a cynical mix of
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Speaker 1: leftist student politics i e. The Greens and the left
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Speaker 1: wing of the Labor Party, plus a desire to pander
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Speaker 1: to Muslim voters in western Sydney and Melbourne seats held
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Speaker 1: by key Labor frontbenchers. So what's Labour's big solution to this, Well,
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi is sending one of his ministers to Israel. Now,
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Speaker 1: not far Minister Penny Wong, mind you, the woman behind
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Speaker 1: Australia's frankly hostile stance towards the Jewish state, but rather,
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Speaker 1: in a move that spacks of tokensm and condescension, the
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Speaker 1: government's only Jewish Minister, Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss. I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: but how dumb do they think we are? How short
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Speaker 1: do they think our memories are. Here's what Alex Rivkin
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Speaker 1: from the Executive Council of Australian Jewry had to say
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Speaker 1: on Sky earlier today.
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Speaker 2: Mark Dreyfus is obviously a high ranking member of the
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Speaker 2: federal government and I'm sure that his trip will be
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Speaker 2: well received by these rather but ultimately actions speak louder
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Speaker 2: than words. And when the Foreign Minister previously traveled to
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Speaker 2: Israel and refused to travel to the sites of the
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Speaker 2: October seven atrocities in the south of Israel to see
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Speaker 2: for herself why Israel is a warm what was done
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Speaker 2: to the people of Israel. That was really a very
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Speaker 2: bruising thing that was done, and that really shattered the
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Speaker 2: relationship to a large degree. Since that time, we've seen
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Speaker 2: visa issues with ISRAELI has been unable to come to Australia,
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Speaker 2: We've seen an increasingly hostile stance taken by Australian international
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Speaker 2: forums against Israel. So this is a positive step from
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Speaker 2: the Attorney Genermalan from the government, but the actions that
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Speaker 2: follower are far more important than this trip alone.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Galx was even soft pedaling it there.
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Speaker 1: And he's not the only one who thinks that all
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Speaker 1: of this from the government is just too little, too late.
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Speaker 1: Earlier today I spoke with the Jewish Liberal MP Julian Liser,
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Speaker 1: who said, quote, having focused for so long on the
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Speaker 1: politics with the inner city left, the Prime Minister now
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Speaker 1: realizes he has lost the trust of mainstream Australians when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the proliferation of anti Semitism in our
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Speaker 1: country and the betrayal of a long standing Australian ally unquote.
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Speaker 1: Now remember this is the same Albanese government that has
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Speaker 1: voted time and again against Israel in the UN, that
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Speaker 1: has undermined the nation's previous Biparlisan stance on Israel, that
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Speaker 1: refused to give a visa to a former Israeli government
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Speaker 1: minister to attend a conference in Canberra, whose Foreign Minister
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong previously and grudgingly visited Israel, but refused to
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Speaker 1: visit massacre sites in the south of that country that
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Speaker 1: were torched by Hamas on October seventh. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you I have visited those sites. I
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Speaker 1: did some months ago and it was an utterly chilling,
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Speaker 1: searing experience that will be forever in my memory. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, this is also a government who's Attorney General,
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Speaker 1: the same Mark Dreifus, they are sending to Israel, mixed
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Speaker 1: an inquiry into antisemitism on university campuses. So do they
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Speaker 1: really expect Australians of goodwill to forget all of them,
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Speaker 1: to say, oh, no, it's okay, Mark Cravis is going
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Speaker 1: to Israel. Everything's fine now again do they think we
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Speaker 1: have the memories of goldfish? This is utterly performative, this trip.
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Speaker 1: It changes nothing and in fact, in some ways it
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Speaker 1: makes it worse.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: The great John Howard, echoing the thoughts of Sir John Carrick,
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Speaker 1: has long been fond of saying that with regards to elections,
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Speaker 1: you can't fatten a pig on market day. Yet here
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Speaker 1: the government is trying to tuck this in the support
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Speaker 1: of Israel's friends and supporters again not just in the
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Speaker 1: Jewish community but across the country and say, hey, don't
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Speaker 1: worry about it, everything's good now. Well, I'm sorry, I'm
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Speaker 1: not buying it. And let me say one more thing.
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Speaker 1: We are days away from Donald Trump coming back into
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Speaker 1: office and rewriting US policy towards the Middle East in
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Speaker 1: a much more firmly pro Israel direction than all of
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Speaker 1: that Obama era pro Iran nonsense that Joe Biden was
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Speaker 1: on about. Yet here we are the Albanesi government seems
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Speaker 1: to have no idea what is happening or what is
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Speaker 1: about to happen in Washington, as their campus level anti
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Speaker 1: Israel radicalism threatens to drive a wedge between Canberra and
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Speaker 1: Washington at precisely the moment that we should all be
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Speaker 1: together onside. Indeed, I don't want to be alarmist here,
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Speaker 1: but there is a chance that an Albanesi government with
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Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd as ambassador to Washington, God help us, will
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Speaker 1: badly bungle this crucial relationship with the Trump administration. Now
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Speaker 1: in recent weeks, elsewhere in the world, everywhere, from everyone
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Speaker 1: from Italy's Georgia Malone to the UK's Keir Starward of
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Speaker 1: Francis Vaniel maccral have all either made their way tomorrow
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Speaker 1: Lago or invited Trump in to meet him for a
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Speaker 1: meal and a check to build relations. All these nations
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Speaker 1: recognize that there is a new regime coming. They're making
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Speaker 1: their moves and they're making their plans to cope with it.
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Speaker 1: So what's us try you doing, what's Foreign Minister Penny
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Speaker 1: Wong doing, what's Albanese doing?
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Speaker 4: I'd love to know.
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Speaker 1: Now onto the campaign trail and the Prime Minister was
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Speaker 1: again in Queensland today sporting his a kubra hat that
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Speaker 1: makes him look like Willy Loman in an outback committee
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Speaker 1: the interproduction of Death of a Salesman and gosh again,
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Speaker 1: it seems like Anthony Albanezi is even snippier with reporters
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Speaker 1: than even say US President Joe Biden. Have a look
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Speaker 1: at what happened in Rockhampton earlier.
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Speaker 5: Today's time for you to concede that your pledge to
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Speaker 5: introduce electricity prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 5: by this year, for whatever reasons, that's not going to happen.
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Speaker 6: Is that fair?
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 6: One of the things that we did, of course, was
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Speaker 6: I have three hundred dollars energy bill relife. The Coensland
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Speaker 6: government understood Miles had one thousand dollars additional to that
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Speaker 6: that was opposed by the coalition.
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Speaker 7: That's not my question. In fair that was a coalition,
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Speaker 7: but the two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 6: I know that, but you get You get to do
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Speaker 6: the questions. I get to do the answers. That's why
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Speaker 6: it works.
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Speaker 4: And we have we have delivered that.
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Speaker 1: Oh testy testing there, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: Look, I get it on.
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Speaker 1: The two hundred and seventy five dollars promise is an
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Speaker 1: absolute albatross around Labour's neck as they crash or crash
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Speaker 1: through towards net zero and renewables that are supposedly they
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Speaker 1: keep saying the cheapest form of energy, yet which keep
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Speaker 1: driving everyone's power bills up. And the fact is our
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Speaker 1: power bills are up more than one thousand dollars per
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Speaker 1: household in some cases since this government took office. And
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Speaker 1: let's not even get started on the effect, the crippling
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Speaker 1: effect on businesses. They're trying to keep the lights on
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Speaker 1: and the machines going and everything else. So this two
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars question, well, guess what it's
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Speaker 1: going to keep coming up over and over again this campaign.
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Speaker 1: And yet despite this fact, Anthony Albinisi doesn't have a
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Speaker 1: good answer to the question.
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Speaker 7: Let's talk about power prices.
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Speaker 8: You just bought it up there three years ago during
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Speaker 8: the last election you did promised to lower those power
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Speaker 8: prices by two hundred and seventy five bucks by twenty
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Speaker 8: twenty five.
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Speaker 3: Is that going to happen?
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Speaker 1: Done?
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Speaker 6: Has put in place three hundred dollars reduction in everyone's
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Speaker 6: power bills. That's had a real impact for people in
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Speaker 6: reducing power bills here in Queensland. That was added to
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Speaker 6: by a one thousand dollars by the former Queensland government
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Speaker 6: as well. What we saw globally was a spike in
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Speaker 6: energy prices, in part due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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Speaker 6: That was something that has had an impact globally. We've
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Speaker 6: done what we can to insulate Australia from that global spike.
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Speaker 1: Is still blaming Ukraine despite energy prices settling right back
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Speaker 1: down to where they were before the Russian invasion. No,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry this and the cost of living in general
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Speaker 1: has to be sheeted home to the people who've been
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Speaker 1: in power for two and a half years, weted a
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Speaker 1: whole year of that time on the voice and blame
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Speaker 1: those who came before them for this mess. Well, Attorney
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Speaker 1: General Mark Drayfuss, as I said before, is planning a
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Speaker 1: trip to Israel as a relationship between Alban Easy and
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Speaker 1: Bibi Netanya, who and their governments continues to fracture Following
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Speaker 1: a spate of anti Israel at Taxi City in Melbourne,
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Speaker 1: Sydney's most senior Jewish MP will spend a week in
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Speaker 1: Israel after canceling a planned visit in October of last year.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss this and so much more
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Speaker 1: is my very good friend Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis
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Speaker 1: and my other very good friend, Sky News host Liz Storer.
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Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello.
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Speaker 1: Great to see you now, James. Before I get to
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Speaker 1: this trip, though, I want to just ask you, because
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Speaker 1: you know we work together the Day Telegraph. You've got
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Speaker 1: a great story that you're working on the Telegraph. Tell
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Speaker 1: us a little bit about it because I want people
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Speaker 1: to go out and check this out tomorrow and the
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Speaker 1: paper hits the Newsteps.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was interesting.
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Speaker 8: We've had a response in the last two hours, a
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Speaker 8: rare de spawn from the Australian the ADF, the Defense Force,
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Speaker 8: because we made some inquiries today off the back of
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Speaker 8: a number of people coming to us to say their
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Speaker 8: kids had waited between twelve and eighteen months from the
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Speaker 8: moment they applied to the moment they actually got in
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Speaker 8: to get it to the vents.
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Speaker 4: Now, these are fit young kids.
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Speaker 8: They might have had, you know, a minor issue as
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Speaker 8: a kid, like an asthma or something like that, but
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Speaker 8: they were waiting eighteen months in some cases to get
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Speaker 8: into the army.
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Speaker 4: We are meant to have this massive shortage of troops.
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Speaker 8: We learned today that the recruitment with the ADF has
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Speaker 8: been outsourced to a Swiss firm to the tune of
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Speaker 8: one point wow billion dollars. Defense has said they're underperforming.
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Speaker 8: But the development tomorrow, which is quite amazing, James, is
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Speaker 8: that last year sixty four thousand people, which is actually
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Speaker 8: bigger than the size of our ADF, applied to get
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Speaker 8: into the Defense Force, and yet we can't get them
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Speaker 8: out the other end. And because they've outsourced this service,
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Speaker 8: people are just getting stick and the traps, in a
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Speaker 8: lot of cases giving up and just say I'm going
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Speaker 8: to do something else instead.
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Speaker 1: This is absolutely sharking, Jemes, and you're wrong going to
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Speaker 1: check this out to borrow on the deal in Telegraph.
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Speaker 1: So thanks for bringing us up to spin on that.
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Speaker 1: But I want to get back now to the other
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Speaker 1: big news, this big trip here and Cheval'll stick with
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Speaker 1: you here. With Liberal MP Julian Lisa calling this a
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Speaker 1: pre election trick, it's hard to disagree with that. What
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Speaker 1: do you reckon?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think, in isolation, I think it's difficult to
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Speaker 8: be critical of the idea of Mark Dreyfus wanting to
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Speaker 8: go to Israel. I think he's an appropriate person to go.
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Speaker 8: But the problem for Labor is whatever decisions they make
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Speaker 8: at this point in time are going to be seen
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Speaker 8: as too little, too late when based on what you've
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Speaker 8: said on the international stage, some of their reactions to
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Speaker 8: some of the local events that we've seen in Sydney
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Speaker 8: and Melbourne, and some of the senior in this is
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Speaker 8: particularly in Sydney where there are large Muslim electorates that
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Speaker 8: have been largely quiet on this issue. So in isolation,
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Speaker 8: I don't think this makes it any worse.
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Speaker 4: But look, Labor has been far too slow to the
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Speaker 4: party on this issue.
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Speaker 1: Well that's right, Jemes Liz Storer, though, I mean this
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Speaker 1: seems very much like, you know, after months and months,
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Speaker 1: really more than a year of just you know, mismanagement
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Speaker 1: of this issue and going in for the most left
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Speaker 1: wing and pandering approach to Israel. Suddenly they're trying to
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Speaker 1: shift gears right before an election. Do they just expect
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Speaker 1: people to forget everything they've done, including you know, denying
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Speaker 1: visas to enter the country to former Israeli cabinet ministers.
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Speaker 3: They don't just expect it.
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Speaker 9: They are counting on it. And I got to disagree
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Speaker 9: with James because I don't think it's hard to take
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Speaker 9: a problem with Mark Dreyfus wanting to go at all.
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Speaker 3: I have often thought that if I were Mark.
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Speaker 9: Dreyfus, I would have stepped down from cabinet by now,
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Speaker 9: because since October seven, all my government, the government that
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Speaker 9: I am serving in the cabinet of has done is
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Speaker 9: mouth off from the sidelines at what my country's up to,
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Speaker 9: just trying to defend their right to exist. Obviously, he
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Speaker 9: hasn't been among that number, but he shares a front
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Speaker 9: bench with me many who share very anti Israel sentiments.
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Speaker 9: They've done nothing to hide it, and he has just
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Speaker 9: been silent on them, as you've got to be if
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Speaker 9: you're part of Labor caucus.
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Speaker 3: But if this was a man of.
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Speaker 9: Conviction, I dare say at the very least he would
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Speaker 9: have stepped.
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Speaker 3: Down from cabinet by now.
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Speaker 9: But this is the point where it gets so bad
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Speaker 9: it's almost comical. All of a sudden, they're like, let's
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Speaker 9: just roll out the Jewish guy on cabinet, see if
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Speaker 9: we can do damage control.
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Speaker 1: I think looking principle in the Labor Party is you
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Speaker 1: know you need to might need to find a microscope
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Speaker 1: for that. Liz A.
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Speaker 4: Wiltho note that.
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Speaker 9: If Mark Dreyfus has any as a Jewish man serving
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Speaker 9: in this anti Israel government, surely you could expect better
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Speaker 9: from him.
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Speaker 4: I think you're standing down though. I think I think
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Speaker 4: like he can.
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Speaker 8: Show leadership and represent the Jewish community in his role.
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Speaker 4: Has fair enough, I think for sure. But it's exposed.
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Speaker 1: It's rather we're not going to.
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Speaker 4: And as he tried, the guy lost, yees. So I
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Speaker 4: don't think we should be too hash to Moa.
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Speaker 1: We should be harsh on Alben Easy for this very
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Speaker 1: cynical attempt to tuck the Jewish community back in at
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Speaker 1: this very late date.
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Speaker 4: We're not gonna solve. We're not gonna.
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Speaker 1: Solve the Middle East though, on this on this set,
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Speaker 1: which we like to call Camp David. But I do
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Speaker 1: want to talk more about this election that's coming up,
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Speaker 1: because you know, of course cost of living is the
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Speaker 1: other huge thing, and the Prime Minister has been spending
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Speaker 1: cash all over the place, seven million dollars for queens
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Speaker 1: Land Bruce Highway. But here's the thing, he's not saying
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Speaker 1: anything about whether there's gonna be any tax changes in
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Speaker 1: the platform coming up.
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Speaker 4: To the election.
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Speaker 1: As we now see the tax take in this country
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Speaker 1: continue to increase. Now this, James Willis, seems like there
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Speaker 1: is so much need for reform here. The tax take
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Speaker 1: in this country is now income taxes make up fifty
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Speaker 1: three point five percent of the federal income tax. That's
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Speaker 1: before booze tax, petrol tax, the other tax that they charge.
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Speaker 1: This is you know, this was supposed to end at COVID.
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Speaker 1: It's not ended. It's stuck. How bad is this? Well,
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Speaker 1: the figures.
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Speaker 8: That you're highlighted the significant and is obviously an issue
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Speaker 8: for business and the taxes that they've had as well.
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Speaker 4: I think for both sides.
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Speaker 8: One of the most uninspiring things we've seen since COVID
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Speaker 8: is the lack of genuine debate around reform about that
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Speaker 8: system and actually get.
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Speaker 4: The economy moving in the right direction.
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Speaker 8: Instead in the last two years, all we've had is
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Speaker 8: record government spending, a giant bureaucracy, energy rebates. The reality
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Speaker 8: is most people want to be left alone. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 8: we're able to work, earn money, and.
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Speaker 4: Governments get out of their lives. Really we've had none
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Speaker 4: of that debate.
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Speaker 1: But Liz, we've got a bigger tax, take a bigger
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Speaker 1: share of GDP going to government, you know that we've
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Speaker 1: had in decades. Have we got to the point now
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Speaker 1: where politically it's impossible to talk about it? In that's
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Speaker 1: real reform because reform creates winners and losers, and some
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Speaker 1: people who are doing inefficient things are going to wind
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Speaker 1: up losing out because we make the ecout more efficient.
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Speaker 1: Are we now in a where we can't even politically
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Speaker 1: talk about reform?
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Speaker 9: I hope not, because this is something that Trump has
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Speaker 9: certainly taken in America by the gonads and is currently
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Speaker 9: swinging around his head most gleefully.
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Speaker 4: That's lovely.
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Speaker 9: The entire government departments, namely the Federal Department of Education.
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Speaker 9: He's got his mates Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami heading
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Speaker 9: up dog the Department of Government Officialcy. He's talking dooge,
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Speaker 9: my bad you know, he's talking about absolutely gutting entire departments.
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Speaker 3: I often say, of.
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Speaker 9: The ridiculous taxes that we're coping now, we wouldn't mind
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Speaker 9: so much if this was being well spent. There are
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Speaker 9: countries like Germany where an over fifty percent tax bracket
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Speaker 9: is pretty much the norm and everyone's used of it.
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Speaker 9: But things run well and a lot of things are free,
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Speaker 9: which is not the case here. What we have is
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Speaker 9: government and overspending on the most ridiculous things that the
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Speaker 9: average person he doesn't pass the pub test. But for me,
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Speaker 9: it doesn't matter what promises, tax related or other the
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Speaker 9: Labor government takes to the election, because we all know,
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Speaker 9: given the promises they took to the last election, they
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Speaker 9: don't last long list.
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Speaker 1: Liz, I'm glad you have mentioned Germany because of words.
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Speaker 1: Germany is a country that shut down all their nuclear
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Speaker 1: reactors and now they're relying on wind and solar and
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Speaker 1: their intercession, and they're poor. They can't make anything anymore.
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Speaker 1: But are we learning the lesson here in Australia Because
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Speaker 1: after a two billion dollar proposed project was shelved Kingston
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Speaker 1: and South Australia last week, finally some good news. It
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Speaker 1: seems all of South Australia's offshore wind industry is dead
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Speaker 1: in the water. Following the action of the Port McDowell
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Speaker 1: project in March last year, James Willis, it seems like
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Speaker 1: there's suddenly a big shift saying maybe we don't have
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Speaker 1: to destroy the environment to save the environment. Is it
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Speaker 1: time for labor to give up on this whole wind
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Speaker 1: a dry well?
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Speaker 8: I think the thing that people have badly underestimated with
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Speaker 8: this net zero transition is the social license you need
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Speaker 8: with farmers. And there's now compensation deals going on all
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Speaker 8: over the country because people go, well, hang on, this
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Speaker 8: is a massive, you know, harbor bridge sized tower in
20:16
Speaker 8: my backyard. And the environmental impacts which are the reason
20:21
Speaker 8: that we block a lot of gas projects and traditional
20:23
Speaker 8: fossil fuel projects and mines and stuff like that. But
20:26
Speaker 8: we've heard people like Bob Brown in Tasmania so that
20:29
Speaker 8: wind farms shouldn't go ahead because there's ten parrots of
20:31
Speaker 8: this particular species left and these things are going on.
20:34
Speaker 8: And the problem with wind is most of the time
20:36
Speaker 8: it's not very effective, and it's being put in parts
20:39
Speaker 8: of the country where there's not all that much wind
20:41
Speaker 8: without issues on the Yellawarra and for most people it's
20:44
Speaker 8: the social license where farmers simply don't want it in
20:47
Speaker 8: their backyard because of their land values.
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Speaker 1: And Liz, you know, I have interviewed people who live
20:52
Speaker 1: around these solar forums and wind forums and what they're
20:55
Speaker 1: trying to do with the tear communities absolutely apart. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's it seems to me that this is a situation
21:02
Speaker 1: where the inner city greenies are forcing you know, the
21:06
Speaker 1: rooms as they think of them, who live out in
21:08
Speaker 1: the bush to pay the price for their green dreams.
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Speaker 9: This is yet another class for it really is these elites,
21:15
Speaker 9: inner city elites or MPs even it's the powerful people
21:19
Speaker 9: punching down on the little guys.
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Speaker 3: You have to pay for it. Nobody wants it in
21:22
Speaker 3: their backyard.
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Speaker 9: But I must say this project falling over is such
21:27
Speaker 9: a gift to the Libs coming up on this election
21:30
Speaker 9: because yet again it's like Labour's never going to deliver
21:33
Speaker 9: on their eighty two percent renewables by twenty thirty, that
21:36
Speaker 9: is now just five years away.
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Speaker 3: It was always pie.
21:39
Speaker 9: In the sky, unicorn nonsense. And once again every time
21:44
Speaker 9: one of these projects falls over, all the Libs have
21:46
Speaker 9: to do is sit back, laugh and say we told you.
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Speaker 1: So well, big o, and I think we're going to
21:50
Speaker 1: see a lot more of that. James willis Liz Door.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Now let's head over to news
21:56
Speaker 1: from the United States, where Vice President Kamala Harris has
22:00
Speaker 1: officially certified her own election loss to Donald Trump. To
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Speaker 1: discuss this and more, I'm joined by Sky News contributor
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Speaker 1: Kosha Gatta. Kosha, great to see you and thanks so
22:11
Speaker 1: much for joining me tonight on credit and what did
22:14
Speaker 1: you make of this phenomenally unusual circumstance is seeing the
22:19
Speaker 1: vice president certify their own election loss.
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Speaker 10: Great to be with you, James, as always, you know
22:26
Speaker 10: it is not very common. Nixon, Gore and Mike Pence
22:30
Speaker 10: infamously last time come to mind in recent memory.
22:33
Speaker 3: Is people had to do that.
22:34
Speaker 10: And when you zoom out and look back to the
22:36
Speaker 10: lens of history, I think people can ascertain where those
22:40
Speaker 10: people ended up falling out, especially Gore, Pence, etc. So
22:44
Speaker 10: you know, it's something that ultimately will go in the
22:46
Speaker 10: dustment of history, as they say, but at that time
22:49
Speaker 10: when it does happen.
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Speaker 3: It's interesting.
22:51
Speaker 10: On the one hand, you could look at it positively
22:53
Speaker 10: and it shows the system working and democracy and action
22:55
Speaker 10: where people fulfill their oath of office. And on the
22:58
Speaker 10: other hand, in this campaign, it's just kind of funny
23:01
Speaker 10: when you look at the way Kamala Harris was thrust
23:04
Speaker 10: into the race at the eleventh hour and then everything
23:07
Speaker 10: that transpired in those three months after that, and now
23:09
Speaker 10: this is sort of the cherry on the topping for
23:11
Speaker 10: Trump supporters for sure.
23:12
Speaker 1: And Kosher, what do you make of this sort of
23:15
Speaker 1: the blame game that's suddenly starting to play out on
23:17
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party and certainly among a lot of media
23:21
Speaker 1: supporters of the Democrats in the press who are now
23:24
Speaker 1: suddenly saying, oh, well, you know, we had no idea
23:26
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden was so bad, We had no idea
23:28
Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris was such a bad candidate, and that
23:31
Speaker 1: you know, she wasn't going to win. Do you think
23:33
Speaker 1: that there's any sort of self reflection now on the
23:36
Speaker 1: institutional left kind of put off a lot of the
23:40
Speaker 1: kind of the media in the United States into that
23:42
Speaker 1: category about the role they had in protecting Joe Biden
23:46
Speaker 1: and then also supporting a candidate who turned out to
23:50
Speaker 1: be as anybody would have seen the last election cycle
23:53
Speaker 1: of dud.
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Speaker 10: You know, I would have to imagine when they're looking
23:58
Speaker 10: in the mirror at home, there is self reflection, for sure,
24:02
Speaker 10: but in the public arena you're seeing very very little
24:04
Speaker 10: of it. I think somebody on CNN just raised this
24:07
Speaker 10: and asked Chuck tchumor actually the other day, who was
24:11
Speaker 10: vehemently backing, how with it Biden was, and then two
24:15
Speaker 10: weeks later, after that infamous debate, completely change his tune
24:18
Speaker 10: and he was doubling down. There was no self reflection
24:21
Speaker 10: at all, and the media was kind of going along
24:23
Speaker 10: with it. But I'll give you credit for at least
24:24
Speaker 10: asking the question. I think it's the only example I
24:26
Speaker 10: can think of where they did that. And in terms
24:28
Speaker 10: of how it's playing out, you know, the media is
24:30
Speaker 10: in the mainstream media buy and large, with some notable exceptions,
24:34
Speaker 10: is really in a free fall as a business model
24:36
Speaker 10: and as in terms of a crisis of credibility, credibility
24:39
Speaker 10: and legitimacy that they face right now. And this issue
24:42
Speaker 10: I think is one of the biggest scandals ever. The
24:44
Speaker 10: cover up of how they hid and protected Biden's very
24:47
Speaker 10: obvious to all cognitive decline that I don't think history
24:50
Speaker 10: is going to judge them kindly, and you might see
24:52
Speaker 10: a lot of restructuring and consolidation of the media industry
24:55
Speaker 10: writ large over the next five to seven years.
24:58
Speaker 1: I would imagine, I think you're absolutely right about that, Coach,
25:01
Speaker 1: and I'll just mind everybody to here. On Sky News,
25:03
Speaker 1: we were right on the pace about Joe Biden's decline.
25:06
Speaker 1: But let's go north of the border to Canada, because
25:09
Speaker 1: I think this is absolutely fascinating. With Prime Minister Justin
25:13
Speaker 1: Trudeau falling on his sword after nine years in power,
25:17
Speaker 1: following a whole bunch of internal pressure within his party,
25:19
Speaker 1: have a look.
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Speaker 11: This country deserves a real choice in the next election,
25:25
Speaker 11: and it has become clear to me that if I'm
25:28
Speaker 11: having to fight internal battles, I cannot be the best
25:33
Speaker 11: option in that election.
25:36
Speaker 1: Now, Conservative leader Pierre Poiliev, who looks to be the
25:39
Speaker 1: odds on favor to become the next prime minister, has
25:41
Speaker 1: slam Trudeau's Liberal party following the resignation announcement.
25:47
Speaker 12: Every Liberal MP in power today and every potential Liberal
25:51
Speaker 12: leadership contender fighting for the top job helped Justin Trudeau
25:55
Speaker 12: break the country over the last nine years. Their only
25:58
Speaker 12: objection is that he is no longer popular enough to
26:01
Speaker 12: win an election and keep them in power.
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Speaker 1: Now, Kosha, I've written about Pierre pauliev for Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph.
26:07
Speaker 1: But what do you know about him? And what sort
26:10
Speaker 1: of leader do you think he'll be if he becomes
26:12
Speaker 1: Prime minister later this year at the election? Will there
26:16
Speaker 1: be warmer relations between him and Donald Trump than between
26:19
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau? Which we're always fairly comically frosty.
26:26
Speaker 10: Indeed, you know, there are always things you know about
26:29
Speaker 10: somebody and then when they actually step into the arena
26:31
Speaker 10: you see other things about them.
26:32
Speaker 3: So I think everyone will have to wait and see.
26:34
Speaker 10: But in general, mister Pierre, he does seem to have
26:37
Speaker 10: populist tendencies a little bit, I would say, make Canada
26:40
Speaker 10: great again light in terms of his positions on certain issues, immigration,
26:44
Speaker 10: cost of living, government spending and all the rest of it.
26:46
Speaker 3: For an intervention and all that.
26:48
Speaker 10: He does also seem to have the art of rhetoric,
26:51
Speaker 10: which is useful. There were some viral clips of him
26:53
Speaker 10: being harassed by a reporter and an.
26:55
Speaker 7: Orchard and how he flipped it.
26:56
Speaker 10: It's actually Kosha eating an apple.
26:59
Speaker 1: Let's actually have a look at that, because we've got
27:00
Speaker 1: that crab here. Let's play a little bit of this
27:02
Speaker 1: for people who might not have seen this to get
27:04
Speaker 1: a flavor of Pierre pauliev. A lot of people would
27:07
Speaker 1: would say that you're simply taking a page out of the.
27:10
Speaker 4: Donald Trump like which people would say that, well, I'm sure.
27:15
Speaker 3: A great many Canadians, but like who, I don't know who,
27:20
Speaker 3: but you're the one who asks the question, so yeah,
27:22
Speaker 3: you must know somebody.
27:24
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sure there's some out there.
27:26
Speaker 1: But anyways, in a sense, Kosha, doesn't that get back
27:29
Speaker 1: to what we were speaking about a moment before about
27:32
Speaker 1: the nature of the media and how people don't trust
27:35
Speaker 1: the media to play it straight in the United States
27:37
Speaker 1: or North America for that matter.
27:40
Speaker 10: Yes, or in liberal democracies everywhere. Indeed, Yeah, I think
27:43
Speaker 10: that's the thing. The wide open playbook available to mister
27:47
Speaker 10: Pierre and to anybody really in the Western world is
27:50
Speaker 10: those two issues, immigration and inflation, because they're the biggest
27:54
Speaker 10: that the constituency is demanding and neither party has done
27:57
Speaker 10: a sufficient job addressing their grievances. And secondly, the art
28:00
Speaker 10: of the rhetoric and being able to go into a
28:03
Speaker 10: very by and large left leaning or left friendly media
28:05
Speaker 10: and adversarial reporters and take them down in a cool, calm,
28:09
Speaker 10: funny way, whatever the individual style may be. So he
28:12
Speaker 10: definitely demonstrated that there that clip I think is what
28:14
Speaker 10: made him shoot up to international fame from that regard.
28:18
Speaker 10: As long as he does those two things, pursues that
28:20
Speaker 10: policy agenda, and is able to do battle with the media,
28:23
Speaker 10: he's got a real shot right now because the Labor
28:26
Speaker 10: Party over there is very unpopular. Whoever replaces Trudeau is
28:29
Speaker 10: only going to cement that even further, and so there's
28:32
Speaker 10: a wide opening and we'll see if he takes it.
28:34
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right there, Kosha Gatta, thank you
28:36
Speaker 1: so much for your time, Really appreciate it. Now stick
28:39
Speaker 1: around because after the break, with housing and migration shaping
28:42
Speaker 1: up to be a top election issue for voters, how
28:45
Speaker 1: are the parties going to address these vexed problems? Expert
28:49
Speaker 1: analysis with Emily Dye after the break, welcome back to
28:56
Speaker 1: the program. Well, Housing affordability and the impacts of Record
28:59
Speaker 1: Mike are set to be two major concerns for voters
29:03
Speaker 1: heading into this year's federal election, which is going to
29:06
Speaker 1: be called in just a few weeks time. I reckon now.
29:09
Speaker 1: In fact, it turns out that the housing crisis has
29:11
Speaker 1: topped the list of concerns for business leaders in a
29:15
Speaker 1: new survey by KPMG. KPMG part of me, with almost
29:19
Speaker 1: half of these individuals pulled believing it poses a real
29:22
Speaker 1: risk to businesses as well. For more to chat about this,
29:27
Speaker 1: I am joined by Emily Die from the Center for
29:30
Speaker 1: Independent Studies. Emily, thank you so much for coming on
29:33
Speaker 1: the program tonight. We've had some really bad news out
29:37
Speaker 1: of Camber and the statistics around housing starts and housing approvals.
29:43
Speaker 1: And explain to me how in this housing market where
29:46
Speaker 1: we have so many people who are dying to get
29:48
Speaker 1: into a house, we're simply not even approving the houses
29:52
Speaker 1: that we need, much less build them.
29:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're not improving them where people want to live.
29:56
Speaker 13: I think this survey really shows KPMG is done that
30:01
Speaker 13: people are starting to notice that this is leaking into
30:03
Speaker 13: other sectors because people have these long commutes. We've not
30:07
Speaker 13: built the houses in the inner cities near the jobs,
30:10
Speaker 13: and so they're losing all of that productivity, all that
30:13
Speaker 13: time being forced to commute two hours in traffic, and
30:16
Speaker 13: that has all of these flow on effects, so the
30:19
Speaker 13: rest of the economy that we should be absolutely concerned about.
30:22
Speaker 3: It's the number one issue I would say in Australia.
30:24
Speaker 1: Well, and I mean it's hard to untangle where the
30:27
Speaker 1: state responsibility begins and the federal government responsibility ends.
30:30
Speaker 4: And all of this.
30:31
Speaker 1: Peopolie, the new or the opposition leader in Canada who's
30:35
Speaker 1: very likely to be the next prime minister, he has
30:38
Speaker 1: said that he would in Canada just hold federal funding
30:41
Speaker 1: to cities that don't approve the right number of houses.
30:44
Speaker 1: Would you support something like that, and what is labor
30:47
Speaker 1: doing about?
30:47
Speaker 13: I think he's one of the most interesting leaders that
30:50
Speaker 13: we've seen in the Western world on this issue. And
30:52
Speaker 13: I'm fully on board with that kind of idea. Yeah,
30:54
Speaker 13: you don't build houses, No, you don't get the money.
30:57
Speaker 13: Why would we put money into building say infrastructure, train
31:00
Speaker 13: lines and that kind of thing if it's only going
31:02
Speaker 13: to be single family housing around those train lines, Like,
31:04
Speaker 13: if we're going to put that kind of taxpayer investment in,
31:07
Speaker 13: then yet we should be making it so that more
31:10
Speaker 13: people can use those kinds of resources.
31:12
Speaker 1: What do you make of the coalition's take on all
31:16
Speaker 1: of this, which is to say, well, you know, Actually
31:18
Speaker 1: you need to build the infrastructure out in all of
31:20
Speaker 1: these places because actually people do people aren't going to
31:23
Speaker 1: want to live in houses. You can't just have everybody
31:25
Speaker 1: in apartments, you know. Is that also a worthwhile approach explored?
31:30
Speaker 13: Well, I think we should do all of the above,
31:32
Speaker 13: Like people need choice, but there's a significant number of
31:34
Speaker 13: people that do want to live in them in the
31:36
Speaker 13: inner city, particularly younger people, and that's where we end
31:39
Speaker 13: up with issues of people not.
31:40
Speaker 3: Being close to those jobs.
31:41
Speaker 13: So yes, I think that trying to push people into
31:44
Speaker 13: outer areas is a great idea building up more cities.
31:47
Speaker 13: The fact that Australia has so few cities is incredibly problematic.
31:51
Speaker 13: But the issues that are plaguing our major cities Sydney,
31:54
Speaker 13: Melbourne are the same issues that we're seeing in small
31:56
Speaker 13: town Australia and places like Ballarat like there are also
32:00
Speaker 13: lots of restrictions and the same sort of thinking and
32:03
Speaker 13: mindsets that are also restricting buildings. So unless we can
32:06
Speaker 13: fix that approval process, the infrastructure is not going to
32:09
Speaker 13: fix it.
32:10
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about the supply here, but the other
32:13
Speaker 1: side to this equation is of course demand, and we
32:16
Speaker 1: have to We've spoken about this, yes here, but this
32:19
Speaker 1: issue of migration here, we have been seeing a record
32:22
Speaker 1: surge in migrants over the past several years. We are
32:25
Speaker 1: in a per capita recession here. It's essentially I think
32:30
Speaker 1: migration is the only thing the government has. It's sort
32:31
Speaker 1: of propping up the official numbers. It looks been like
32:35
Speaker 1: a Ponzi scheme. Frankly to an awful lot of people.
32:38
Speaker 1: Why don't we just simply turn down that tap a bit,
32:42
Speaker 1: Because the more people you bring in, the more people
32:45
Speaker 1: are in places people going to need to live. It
32:48
Speaker 1: is supply and demand, isn't it.
32:50
Speaker 3: Well, demand is definitely part of the equation.
32:52
Speaker 13: I'm not going to say that no, immigration doesn't have
32:54
Speaker 13: any impact on the price of housing.
32:57
Speaker 3: However, it's not the cause.
32:59
Speaker 13: The cause is because we've restricted the amount of housing
33:01
Speaker 13: we can have. If we allow that to open up
33:04
Speaker 13: and we get those immigrants state building the houses, then
33:08
Speaker 13: we will have we won't have the same problem that
33:10
Speaker 13: we have right now.
33:11
Speaker 1: But there's only a tidy number of people who come
33:14
Speaker 1: in on our skilled visa programs who are actually trades.
33:18
Speaker 1: It seems like the idea that bringing in trades to
33:20
Speaker 1: build more homes, to bring in more trades. It seems again,
33:23
Speaker 1: it seems like you're sort of in a vicious cycle.
33:25
Speaker 1: What do we do about this economy that is, you know,
33:28
Speaker 1: we're not doing anything in terms of being more efficient,
33:30
Speaker 1: We're not doing reform. We're just simply, you know, relying
33:33
Speaker 1: on a few industries, and one of them is frankly,
33:35
Speaker 1: you know, churning out visas. And what does that do
33:37
Speaker 1: for social cohesion?
33:38
Speaker 13: I think the efficiency thing is really interesting, particularly around visas.
33:42
Speaker 13: I think the right in particular, we're against the idea
33:45
Speaker 13: that the state would micromanage capital like that's a very
33:48
Speaker 13: pro capitalist idea, and yet when it comes to human capital,
33:51
Speaker 13: probably one of the most important sources of capital and
33:54
Speaker 13: growth for an economy, we want to dictate exactly what
33:57
Speaker 13: jobs where people should be. How any put these quota
34:01
Speaker 13: systems in place instead of letting the market act, And
34:04
Speaker 13: I think that that would be the best policy is
34:06
Speaker 13: allowing a more free market approach to immigration.
34:09
Speaker 1: Sure, but let me just put this one out here,
34:11
Speaker 1: because this is a fascinating discussion, and I think, you know,
34:13
Speaker 1: there's an awful lot to unpick about this. If you
34:16
Speaker 1: treat something like migration, if you treat people as capital
34:19
Speaker 1: I you just sort of you know, units within an economy.
34:22
Speaker 1: What do you do about the problem with people who
34:23
Speaker 1: want to come here. You know, maybe they want to
34:26
Speaker 1: make money, that is great, but they don't want to integrate,
34:28
Speaker 1: they want to you know, we've seen all sorts of
34:30
Speaker 1: problems with social cohesion in this country where people have
34:33
Speaker 1: brought their animosities and their conflicts from overseas and are
34:38
Speaker 1: determined to act them out on the streets of our cities.
34:41
Speaker 1: Surely that's not a benefit of immigration.
34:43
Speaker 3: I think there's two different questions when it comes to immigration.
34:46
Speaker 13: The economic question, which I think is pretty well solved
34:48
Speaker 13: by constant immigrants are great boon. They provide lots of value,
34:51
Speaker 13: They contribute in a bit more businesses. They are interestingly entreprenurial,
34:57
Speaker 13: like two of us or two examples. When it comes
34:59
Speaker 13: to culturally, I think we should be very set on
35:02
Speaker 13: enforcing our rule of law in Australia. I don't think
35:06
Speaker 13: you can commit acts of violence, acts of terrorism. If
35:09
Speaker 13: an immigrant group is acting badly, they should have the
35:12
Speaker 13: full fair to force the law come down on them.
35:15
Speaker 13: As a result, as long as we're enforcing our Australian ideas,
35:20
Speaker 13: people come and they they're signing a social contract when
35:23
Speaker 13: they come to Australia that yes, we're going to abide
35:25
Speaker 13: by what Australian society is.
35:27
Speaker 3: Our girls have to go to school. If they're a
35:29
Speaker 3: culture that teaches that girls don't go to school.
35:31
Speaker 1: Hey, before we go, I want to talk also about
35:33
Speaker 1: misinformation because this is I think, you know, one of
35:36
Speaker 1: the most sinister things that Labor has tried to pull
35:38
Speaker 1: was that Misinformation Bill. Now they pulled the bill last
35:42
Speaker 1: year following a lot of opposition from the coalitions. And yes,
35:46
Speaker 1: let's give them some snaps the Greens, thank you very
35:49
Speaker 1: much for this one thing, the broken clock right twice
35:52
Speaker 1: a day. But I'm concerned because I look around the
35:55
Speaker 1: world and everywhere it seems like democracies are in the
35:59
Speaker 1: name of protecting what they call our democracy, are trying
36:03
Speaker 1: this again. Do you think Labor, if they come back
36:05
Speaker 1: in with another term, are going to have another bite
36:08
Speaker 1: of this app Oh?
36:08
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I don't think this issue is going to bed
36:10
Speaker 3: anytime soon.
36:11
Speaker 13: One of the things that I was concerned about last
36:13
Speaker 13: year's wal the misinformation Bill failed. The under sixteen Bill
36:17
Speaker 13: did pass, and what that does is it removes the
36:19
Speaker 13: option for anonymity on the internet. So if you're a whistleblower,
36:22
Speaker 13: if you want to call out politicians and you want
36:25
Speaker 13: to do that without your name being put to it,
36:27
Speaker 13: that's no longer the case and you could be prosecuted,
36:30
Speaker 13: possibly like has happened in the UK. That is where
36:33
Speaker 13: I'm afraid.
36:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, fair enough. Listen, Emily died. Thank you so
36:37
Speaker 1: much for your time, but really appreciate it. Now, don't
36:39
Speaker 1: go anywhere because after the break, Yes, it's Australia just
36:42
Speaker 1: around the corner. I'm looking forward to it, but not
36:45
Speaker 1: everybody else is. We are in peaked virtue, singing seasoned folks.
36:50
Speaker 1: But have we finally had enough of the divide? Have
36:54
Speaker 1: be some hope after the break? Welcome back to the program. Well,
37:01
Speaker 1: guess what Australia Day is almost here. It's fast approaching,
37:05
Speaker 1: so of course that can mean only one thing. No,
37:09
Speaker 1: not sausages and beer. It's the big debate about changing
37:12
Speaker 1: the date. It's heating up once again now. Multiple local
37:16
Speaker 1: councils are once again planning to hold their citizenship ceremonies
37:19
Speaker 1: on a different day. Thank you Anthony Albinezi for that,
37:23
Speaker 1: and you can bet there will be Invasion Day protests
37:26
Speaker 1: around the country on January sixth, twenty six. In response,
37:31
Speaker 1: a new historian, Professor Angela Wolcott, has claimed that the
37:35
Speaker 1: debate around January is twenty six will go on forever. Well,
37:39
Speaker 1: she might be right about that, but then she has
37:41
Speaker 1: also said that a change of date is the only
37:44
Speaker 1: way to quote clear the deck.
37:47
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure.
37:49
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. My next guest is either Sky News
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Speaker 1: contributor Roco Lecano. Roco, thank you so much for coming
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Speaker 1: along this evening. I'm happy Early Australia Day. Do you think, though,
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Speaker 1: as in professor suggest that a new deed would actually
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Speaker 1: resolve tensions or would the activist just find something new
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Speaker 1: to protest.
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Speaker 5: Early Australia though? To you, James, happening in your year
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Speaker 5: as well. Look, change the data isn't going to solve anything,
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Speaker 5: and if anything, it will create more division. And we
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Speaker 5: have a poll so seriously, polls have come out of
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Speaker 5: the last few years suggesting that a majority of Australians
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Speaker 5: don't want to change, they're happy with it.
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Speaker 7: On January twenty six.
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Speaker 5: And look these activists, so you just can't kiss the
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Speaker 5: ring enough with them. We saw last year they were
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Speaker 5: starting on ANZAC data or was it the South Australian
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Speaker 5: government didn't even mention ANZACT Day in the official government gazette.
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Speaker 5: And I've seen arguments that we should change the national
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Speaker 5: data the first of January with the Data Federation. Well
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Speaker 5: again the activists will argue, well, the Commonwealth is a
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Speaker 5: product of colonization.
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Speaker 7: Rah rah rah rah.
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Speaker 5: Look, you can change the data as much as your life.
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Speaker 5: How many problems in remote Aboriginal communities are going to solve?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely none. Lead the day it is. It's unifying and
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Speaker 5: as we saw Bob balk on Australia Day in nineteen
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Speaker 5: ninety eight seven, the only thing needful to be in
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Speaker 5: Australian is to have a commitment to the country and
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Speaker 5: that's what most Australians have, and that's what most Australians
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Speaker 5: want from their fellow Australians.
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Speaker 1: Bingo absolutely correct, Roco. And the thing that gets me
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Speaker 1: every single year about this is, I don't know any
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Speaker 1: other nation that you know has this whole sort of
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Speaker 1: process of agony around one single day. Americans don't do
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Speaker 1: this over July fourth, The French don't do this over
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Speaker 1: Bastille Day, although arguably there are some things there they
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Speaker 1: should look at. Nevertheless, Australia, for some reason, seems to
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Speaker 1: be caught in this tremendous sort of orgy of self
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Speaker 1: loathing from the left every single year.
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Speaker 4: What's that all about.
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Speaker 5: It's about an ignorance of history more than anything else.
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Speaker 5: James look Left obviously tried to promote this idea that
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Speaker 5: as of twenty sixth January seven and ninety eight, we've
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Speaker 5: had two hundred so of massacres and the rest well,
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Speaker 5: there are lots and lots of positives that colonization brought along.
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Speaker 5: I mean Captain Arthur Phillip when he arrived on the
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Speaker 5: shores of Sydney Cove, was actually charged by the British
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Speaker 5: government to live in amity with the Aboriginal people when
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Speaker 5: he said, in a free land there can be no slaves.
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Speaker 5: Our responsibility is to guard Convica's, not attack the locals.
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Speaker 5: I could name another couple of episodes. We had the
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Speaker 5: mild Creek massacre in eighteen thirty eight, where twenty eight
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Speaker 5: armed Aboriginals were massacred in cold blood by settlers. Fellow
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Speaker 5: settlers chased down the perpetrators of this crime. These perpetrators
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Speaker 5: were brought to justice and hand. And one other thing
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Speaker 5: I'll suggest, which I think is the probably the greatest
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Speaker 5: measure of reconciliation in this country, is that to sixty
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Speaker 5: percent of relationships between Aboriginal men with Aboriginal people are
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Speaker 5: with a non Aboriginal person. As I said, what greater
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Speaker 5: measure of reconciliation can you have than chooting to share
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Speaker 5: your life with someone from a for bryce?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean also there's you know, behind all this,
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Speaker 1: there also seems to be this kind of naive academic
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Speaker 1: and apologies. I know you're in academia, a view that
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Speaker 1: somehow the indigenous Australia should have just gone on forever
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Speaker 1: without any contact with the West. And yet you know,
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Speaker 1: contact with the British. Let's be frank to have that
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Speaker 1: be your first contact, and in a colonial sort of setting,
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Speaker 1: that's probably in many ways a much better historical outcome
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Speaker 1: for the local people than almost any other group coming
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Speaker 1: here first.
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Speaker 7: Goal.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the bastic thing is Jimes, it is Britain,
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Speaker 5: and the risk of Colmina of Europe started tragging with
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Speaker 5: India and the East Indies. It's Trida sooner or later
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Speaker 5: was going to be colonized. And as you say, I
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Speaker 5: think if I had my choice between the British, the French,
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Speaker 5: the Spanish dut and the Belgians, I take the British
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Speaker 5: any day of the wage.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, fair enough. Look, I think you're absolutely right
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Speaker 1: about that, Rockelicondo. We're gonna leave it there. After the
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Speaker 1: break here, thank you so much for retirming again, happy
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Speaker 1: earlier Strada. After the break, Sophie Elsworth from London to
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Speaker 1: tell us all about the crazy stuff that's going on
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Speaker 1: there with Elon Musk and Keir Starmer. Stick around, welcome
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Speaker 1: back to the program. Let's now head to the UK
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Speaker 1: where Elon Musk is using a social media platform X
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Speaker 1: to get into a giant fight not only with current
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Speaker 1: British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, but also Reform UK leader
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Speaker 1: Najl Farage. To tell us all about this, I'm joined
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Speaker 1: by News Corp Europe correspondent Sophie Ellsworth. Sophie, so good
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Speaker 1: to speak to you. Now tell us about this incredible
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Speaker 1: fight that's broken out between billionaire Elon Musk, owner of X,
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Speaker 1: and Labor Prime Minister Kiir Starmer. And it all goes
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Speaker 1: back to some very disturbing crimes from more than ten
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Speaker 1: years ago tell us about it.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, great to be with you, James. That's exactly right.
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Speaker 14: So there's a big scan erupting over here over whether
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Speaker 14: or not there should be a public.
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Speaker 7: Inquiry into grooming gangs.
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Speaker 14: This was a serious problem in the UK, as you said,
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Speaker 14: about a decade ago, and there's been calls that there
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Speaker 14: should be a national inquiry into this grooming gang scandal.
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Speaker 14: Now Sakiirs Starmer's government has said no, they are not
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Speaker 14: going to hold a national inquiry. And this has drawn
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Speaker 14: a huge criticism from Elon Musk, who is accused Keir
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Speaker 14: Starmer of being complicit in the grooming gang scandal when
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Speaker 14: he was the DPP Here in the UK, it's got
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Speaker 14: in a pretty ugly war of words and they've been
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Speaker 14: staushing online. Keir Starmer said yesterday that people including Elon Musk,
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Speaker 14: had been spreading misinformation.
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Speaker 7: And lies about this.
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Speaker 14: It's got really ugly over here, James, and even overnight
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Speaker 14: Elon Musk was still tweeting at Sakir star So peces
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Speaker 14: far from over.
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Speaker 1: And it's far from over because it involves so many
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Speaker 1: different elements here, including I mean what we're talking about
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Speaker 1: here really was years where it seemed like in a
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Speaker 1: lot of towns there were these organized groups of mostly
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Speaker 1: Pakistani men who were sexually assaulting and getting away with
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Speaker 1: offen young white working class girls. So there's a huge
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Speaker 1: job racial element to it, there's a class element to it.
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Speaker 1: Are British people really annoyed about why, you know, their
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Speaker 1: own country folk were allowed to be treated the way
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Speaker 1: they were, but there weren't the sort of prosecutions that
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Speaker 1: there should have been, and that in many cases social
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Speaker 1: workers and police kind of turned a blind eye.
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Speaker 7: Well there's fury over here, James, There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 7: There's a lot of people very angry.
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Speaker 14: The Safeguarding Minister has said there will not be a
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Speaker 14: national inquiry into THECE and they want to move on
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Speaker 14: from it. But there's coverage on every radio station, every
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Speaker 14: team TV station, wall to wall newspaper coverage about this.
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Speaker 14: It's engulfed the Starma government. It's not a good way
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Speaker 14: for him to start the year. He's had a shocking
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Speaker 14: six month since he's been in office. And yesterday really
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Speaker 14: came out on the attack and accuse the far right
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Speaker 14: of peddling misinformation and lies, and that just got people
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Speaker 14: more i rate, when really they should be focusing on
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Speaker 14: the serious problem here at hand, and that is, as
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Speaker 14: you said, the scandal around these booming gangs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, look that's right. And I wonder if Sophie,
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Speaker 1: you know, we had the Brexit voting I think twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 1: and this was just when everybody knew that this was
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Speaker 1: going on, and a lot of these towns that voted
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Speaker 1: for Brexit, you know, were the ground zeros for these
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Speaker 1: sorts of gangs. How much do we now think that,
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Speaker 1: maybe in retrospect, so much of what people were voting
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Speaker 1: for there was really a protest about the way institutional
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Speaker 1: Britain was letting these towns be treated by this new
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Speaker 1: multicultural element that seemed to be untouchable by this government.
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Speaker 14: Well it may have seen that case, James, but the
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Speaker 14: migration issue here now is live, It's alive and well
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Speaker 14: and it's dominating every day. Similar to Australia, where we
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Speaker 14: complain about migration issues, housing affordability is a result in
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Speaker 14: various other social issues, it's very similar here in the
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Speaker 14: UK where people are angry. They are angry that the
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Speaker 14: migration rates in the UK are so high and it's
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Speaker 14: causing problems for British people here themselves annoyed that so
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Speaker 14: many people are coming into the country, many people coming
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Speaker 14: in illegally as well, and this again has dominated one
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Speaker 14: of the key issues at the moment that remains a
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Speaker 14: focus of the British public.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now, Sophie, there's another front to this whole
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Speaker 1: fate too, and that's the one, the fight between Elon
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Speaker 1: Musk and Nigel Fara's the UK Reform leader. Elon has
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Speaker 1: come out and said that he's not fit to be
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Speaker 1: the leader of the Reform Party. This surprised me and
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Speaker 1: I didn't really see this coming. Tell us about this.
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Speaker 1: Why are these two having a blue.
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Speaker 14: Well, this is a surprise. This is a relationship that's
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Speaker 14: blown up pretty fast. I mean, just a few weeks
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Speaker 14: ago Elon Musk was standing side by side with Nigel
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Speaker 14: Frage and billionaire business and Nick Candy and Mari Lago
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Speaker 14: and they were joined at the hip saying that they
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Speaker 14: are going to join forces and boost Reform UK, which
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Speaker 14: is proving a headache for the Conservatives over here. But
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Speaker 14: in between now and then, Elon Musk has said that
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Speaker 14: Tommy Robinson, who is jailed for contempt of court, who
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Speaker 14: he says, and many people argue he exposed the grooming
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Speaker 14: gang scandal. That's debatable both there's a lot of commentary
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Speaker 14: on that. He said he should be freed. Nigel frag
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Speaker 14: just sees he's not in jail for the grooming gang scandal,
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Speaker 14: you know information he's in jail for attempt of court.
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Speaker 7: So now they have pea to have a falling out.
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Speaker 14: A Musk has said Farrage is not up to the
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Speaker 14: top job, which is very interesting because this looks like
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Speaker 14: Elon Musk will pull any funding and it was up
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Speaker 14: to one hundred million for Reform UK.
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Speaker 7: It looks like that is very much in doubt now.
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Speaker 1: And so it sounds to me, then Sophie, like what
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Speaker 1: we've got here and we've only got about thirty seconds left,
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Speaker 1: But is this basically a purity test on the right
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Speaker 1: being opposed by Elon Muskus to who has the right
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Speaker 1: set of views on the right? That doesn't sound very
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Speaker 1: promising to get anything done? Does it.
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Speaker 14: Look basically if you don't agree with Elon Musk, you're
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Speaker 14: in trouble. And that's what's happened here with Nigel Farage.
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Speaker 14: They haven't agreed on this point. With Tommy Robinson, they've
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Speaker 14: butted heads over it, and Elon Musk is the one
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Speaker 14: with the checkbook.
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Speaker 1: James fair enough, Well, yeah, and he's got a pretty
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Speaker 1: big checkbook. Sophie Ellsworth coming to us from London. Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for your time this evening explaining this
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Speaker 1: very complicated situation, which I think has an awful lot
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Speaker 1: of implications I think for countries around the world that
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Speaker 1: are grappling with issues of multiculturalism. Stick around here because
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Speaker 1: Danika de Giorgio is up at the Boar Report now