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More Powerful Ethereum Coming This Summer🚨Ethereum Economic Zone INTERVIEW · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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  Speaker 1: Today we want to do a little bit more of
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  Speaker 1: a deep dive. You guys probably caught this last week
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  Speaker 1: when we did a full video on it. It was
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  Speaker 1: really a full understanding of what was going on with ETHCC.
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  Speaker 1: It was massive updates happening over there. Today we're going
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  Speaker 1: to bring in a couple of people that will dive
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  Speaker 1: in on that, and of course that is Jordy Baileina
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  Speaker 1: of ZIK and also Frederic Ernst, who is the co
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  Speaker 1: founder over at Nosis. How are you guys, good?
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  Speaker 2: Good, Thank you for having us on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so great to see you. We did the recap
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  Speaker 1: video a lot of big announcements. One of the ones
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  Speaker 1: that we saw that was probably the most interesting was
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  Speaker 1: EEZ and that, of course is what you guys have
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  Speaker 1: been working on. Before we get too far into it,
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  Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys, well, first let's explain
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  Speaker 1: that what that is to our audience, and then I
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  Speaker 1: have very specific questions. So Frederic, you want to kind
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  Speaker 1: of give us a rundown.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So. Ethereum became the thing that it is
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  Speaker 2: because different applications on top of it could compose with
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  Speaker 2: one another, so kind of you could build a stable
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  Speaker 2: coin or a lending protocol or on oracle, or money
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  Speaker 2: market or a pdiction market, and kind of you could
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  Speaker 2: these could all kind of tie into each other, so
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  Speaker 2: kind of it would kind of give you an infinitely
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  Speaker 2: extensible financial system. And that was where kind of the
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  Speaker 2: magic of ethereum kind of emerged. That broke when we
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  Speaker 2: tried to scale via L hues. I'm sure you guys remember,
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  Speaker 2: transaction fees spiked at some point. You had to pay
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  Speaker 2: fifty dollars for an average transaction, and in response to that,
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  Speaker 2: we kind of got L hues and we offloaded most
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  Speaker 2: of the transactions onto L toop and in terms of
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  Speaker 2: transaction pricing, that helped tremendously, So transaction prices have come
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  Speaker 2: down a lot again, but that came at the cost
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  Speaker 2: of composibility. So kind of now, instead of being able
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  Speaker 2: to kind of plug all of these parts together, if
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  Speaker 2: you live on different parts of the network, you can
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  Speaker 2: no longer natively compose. And the Easy fixes that. It
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  Speaker 2: kind of ties the different L twos back together again,
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  Speaker 2: so that regardless of where you live on which the
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  Speaker 2: network you live within, the Easy you can compose with
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  Speaker 2: everything else that happens in the theor economic.
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  Speaker 1: Zone within that Because to me, it seemed like it
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  Speaker 1: was just this just kills bridges in essence, which is
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  Speaker 1: one of the biggest risk areas that we have within
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  Speaker 1: crypto in general. Why not and why didn't he do
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  Speaker 1: this earlier? I mean, this has been a problem for
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  Speaker 1: a long time.
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  Speaker 3: But I hear the main technology that enables this is
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  Speaker 3: the real time zero knowledge proof technology that allows us
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  Speaker 3: to prove any computation and verify it in or chain
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  Speaker 3: in a very few milliseconds, no matter how big is
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  Speaker 3: the computation that you are doing or only is possible
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  Speaker 3: to proof and the thium block in.
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  Speaker 4: Real time things are increasing.
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  Speaker 3: The important part is that this technology skills ittalyzes very well.
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  Speaker 3: So it just skills very well. This is the main
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  Speaker 3: technology that makes this possible today.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm looking here just to show the ZKVM
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  Speaker 1: proving time just to see how just to show an
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  Speaker 1: example of where we were and where this takes it
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  Speaker 1: with this technology. And remember too that with institutions coming
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  Speaker 1: on board, bridging has been one of the I think
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  Speaker 1: one of the challenges that institutions would maybe question, So
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  Speaker 1: this obviously addresses that. Within that and you look at
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  Speaker 1: the ethereum economic zone partners. These are the launch members
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  Speaker 1: right now, So you've got AVE in here and a
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  Speaker 1: handful of others that I think are interesting when you
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  Speaker 1: look at the most exciting day one partners, Who's going
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  Speaker 1: to benefit the most here the users.
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  Speaker 2: So kind of the users are going to benefit the
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  Speaker 2: most because will no longer fear like a collection of
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  Speaker 2: mini theorems. It will feel like one big etherorem again.
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  Speaker 2: But kind of there's kind of the invisible part that
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  Speaker 2: makes it happen behind the scenes, and those are the
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  Speaker 2: block builders, So kind of in this alliance we have Titan,
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  Speaker 2: Beaver and Flashboards who together build in excess of ninety
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  Speaker 2: percent of all blocks. Where users will feel it most
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  Speaker 2: is with front end applications such as Save, cowswap, AVE
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  Speaker 2: and so one, because they will be able to leverage
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  Speaker 2: everything that is in the easy from day one. So
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  Speaker 2: kind of if you want to take out an AVE
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  Speaker 2: alone against your AVE collateral, for instance, you will no
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  Speaker 2: longer have to do this network by network, but AVE
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  Speaker 2: has an intrinsic view of all your assets across different networks,
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  Speaker 2: and you can borrow against this global collateral balance always save.
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  Speaker 2: If you change a configuration on one network, you can
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  Speaker 2: make the others follow. So kind of if you rotate
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  Speaker 2: key is, you can rotate them on our networks together
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  Speaker 2: always cow kind of you will have the liquidity of
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  Speaker 2: all networks natively together. So kind of if you, for instance,
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  Speaker 2: have a trade that you want to execute on noses
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  Speaker 2: chain but there's not enough liquidity or the kind of
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  Speaker 2: you want to be able to tie into liquidity from maynet,
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  Speaker 2: you can now do this atomically behind the scenes, and
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  Speaker 2: the user. The only thing that the user is going
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  Speaker 2: to notice is that they get a better price, right,
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  Speaker 2: and that they that it happens instantly. That kind of
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  Speaker 2: you you can no longer really be kind of out
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  Speaker 2: of liquidity on one network.
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  Speaker 1: This is a big deal because it does create i think,
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  Speaker 1: a more approachable process on ethereum, especially when you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at swaps, which has been a big challenge I think
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  Speaker 1: for the industry in terms of bridges. What is the
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  Speaker 1: user interface, Jorty, Is there anything I'm going to notice
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  Speaker 1: when I'm utilizing this new technology.
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  Speaker 4: The at least is more controlt Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What makes everything at the day and the usability of
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  Speaker 3: that should be especially for developers, for applications, for builders,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they should be able to compose to connect
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  Speaker 3: between different roll ups exactly the same way and using
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  Speaker 3: exactly the same tools that are currently using what they
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  Speaker 3: are connecting to Ethereum contracts in the same chain. Its
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  Speaker 3: ability should be very strikeforward for the users or in
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  Speaker 3: this case, for the for the developers that are building ups.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I think kind of there's no interface
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  Speaker 2: per se, right, kind of like all of this is
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  Speaker 2: fully abstracted away. So kind of when you said, how
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  Speaker 2: is the user going to go to the interface, They're
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  Speaker 2: not going to go to the Internet. They won't see it.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of magically happens in the background.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: I think the entire ecosystem is going to benefit massively
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of silos were created when age who
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  Speaker 2: is happened, right, So I don't I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: any one app or the users of any one app
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  Speaker 2: that will benefit most. I think it is the usefulness
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  Speaker 2: of the composite system, and it goes way beyond financial
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  Speaker 2: use cases. So for instance, you don't it's not restricted
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  Speaker 2: to EVM chain, so it's not it's just it's call based.
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  Speaker 2: You can connect it to any other network as well,
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  Speaker 2: So for instance, you can have privacy preserving chains where
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  Speaker 2: you can have your identity and instead of instead of
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  Speaker 2: exporting your identity your kind of recredentialing on another network,
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  Speaker 2: you just export the proof that you can access something
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  Speaker 2: or you can you can even use it for consortium
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  Speaker 2: chains or previdiums, so kind of doesn't need to be
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  Speaker 2: a public network. So kind of as a banking consortium,
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  Speaker 2: you can spin up a private chain with validators that
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  Speaker 2: are the consortium members, and as long as you kind
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  Speaker 2: of you're willing to prove your state, you can compose
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  Speaker 2: with everything else on ethereum. And I think that is
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  Speaker 2: a real game changer way beyond kind of the simple
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  Speaker 2: bridging use case that I think kind of like bridges
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  Speaker 2: are a nuisance, kind of like no one needs bridges,
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  Speaker 2: no one wants bridges. But I think the level of
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  Speaker 2: autonomy that consoria chains kind of want is one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent commensurate with what the easy extends to in terms
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  Speaker 2: of chains that can connect to it. I could even
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  Speaker 2: see nation states kind of deploying their own nation state
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  Speaker 2: chains where kind of, for instance, they could issue your
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  Speaker 2: identity on chain. So kind of I'm German, as you
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  Speaker 2: can clearly clearly hear so kind of Germany could issue
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  Speaker 2: me a blockchain identity that I could use to kind
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  Speaker 2: of as a way of KYC for certain products that
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  Speaker 2: I might not otherwise be allowed to access, and kind
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  Speaker 2: of that would make kind of the likes of sumsup
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  Speaker 2: and onto and so superflus. Or you could issue T
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  Speaker 2: bills or cbdc's that can kind of natively compose with
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  Speaker 2: everything that is on etherorem without actually having to folk
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  Speaker 2: forego the level of autonomy that kind of you want
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  Speaker 2: to retain as a nation state.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be a very significant advancement I
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  Speaker 1: think within the eth ecosystem. With that being the and
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important to know this essentially is transacting
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  Speaker 1: in eth gas fees, right, so you're not doing this
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  Speaker 1: in any other chain. What about uniswap versus cal swap.
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  Speaker 1: How does this work now? Would unitchain no longer need
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  Speaker 1: to be around.
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  Speaker 2: So unichain could stay stay around and uniswap could be
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  Speaker 2: on it. But with the easy you can now have
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  Speaker 2: transactions that come from MAInet touch you need chain and
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  Speaker 2: go back to maintet or another chain within the single transaction.
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  Speaker 2: So it does actually it actually makes the usability for
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  Speaker 2: adapt chains a lot better than it currently is.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, very cool, Jordi. What about non EVM chains.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the nice thing of the system is that the
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  Speaker 3: roll ups, they don't necessarily needs to be EVM. You
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  Speaker 3: define let's call a state transition function, which is you
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  Speaker 3: define the rules of your chain the way you want me.
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  Speaker 3: You define the rules and then you just follow the rules.
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  Speaker 3: But this can be defined in any way. You can
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  Speaker 3: be a VM, but it can be a wazzerm, or
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  Speaker 3: it can be a private chain, or it can be
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  Speaker 3: a specific chain in adapt chain that do something very specific,
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  Speaker 3: that only accepts certain types of calls, for example, or
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  Speaker 3: that do other calls to other chain certain ways.
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  Speaker 4: So this is very flexible. This is not This.
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  Speaker 3: Allows to scale ethereum, but not in the number of transactions,
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  Speaker 3: but in the foodstionality. This allows you to extend the
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  Speaker 3: terium in different ways and still be in the same
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  Speaker 3: change so we still receive a same calls. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's still connect to one each other. This is one
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  Speaker 3: of the cool things of this proposal.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting in pretty deep on how this works on
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  Speaker 1: the back end. I think one of the questions that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people that follow our show would probably
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  Speaker 1: ask can this work with Solana in that particular case,
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  Speaker 1: the way that it's set up right now?
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I mean Solana is running for now and
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  Speaker 3: probably would require some some changes somehow, but definitively, definitively,
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  Speaker 3: it could be maybe Solana should be a kind of
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  Speaker 3: a roll up of Ethereum and then it would perfectly
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  Speaker 3: perfectly work, or maybe there is some proxy or something
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  Speaker 3: that can connect. But this is very much for the
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  Speaker 3: Theeum ego system, and then this is more contact running
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  Speaker 3: in ethereum, and Ethereum is the chain that actually gives
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  Speaker 3: the security of the system.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, any chain can connect to it as long as
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  Speaker 2: it can prove its state in the in the given timeframe.
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  Speaker 2: But it's important to make explicit that this requires kind
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  Speaker 2: of treating Ethereum as your master chain. So kind of
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  Speaker 2: if Ethereum for some reason reorcs and you have a
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  Speaker 2: transaction with Ethereum that kind of that touches that Ethereum
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  Speaker 2: state as the chain that wants to compose with Ethereum,
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  Speaker 2: you need to reorc to So kind of you need
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  Speaker 2: to give up a certain level of autonomy. You need
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  Speaker 2: to say, okay, ify Ethereum reorcs. We will follow that
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  Speaker 2: reorc and if Solana is willing to do that, yes,
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  Speaker 2: Solana can one hundred percent compose with the etherorem ecronomic zone.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, guys, all right, So why would a
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  Speaker 1: chain not choose easy right now? I mean, what are
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  Speaker 1: the drawbacks? What would be anything they would look at
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  Speaker 1: as saying a disadvantage?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so kind of the fact that you have to
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  Speaker 2: be willing to reork. If etherorem yorks, that is definitely
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  Speaker 2: a drawback, not even in terms. I mean, there's not
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  Speaker 2: a lot of reorks that currently happen on Ethereum. There's
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  Speaker 2: around ten per day that are one block deep. There
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  Speaker 2: haven't been multi block reorks for a long time. But
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  Speaker 2: it adds a significant amount of complexity. So if Etherum
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  Speaker 2: were to go to single block to single slot finality,
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  Speaker 2: that would help a lot with getting l chools to integrate.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's also the question of effective finality. So
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  Speaker 2: kind of currently l toos on Ethereum have block times
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  Speaker 2: that are much faster than Etherum for the most part.
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  Speaker 2: So for instance, Base has one hundred or two hundred
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  Speaker 2: millisecond block times and Etherum has twelve second block times,
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  Speaker 2: so you can actually have fast effective finality than Ethereum
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  Speaker 2: by giving up some economic guarantees. But by and large
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  Speaker 2: you are bounded by Etheroum finality, so kind of you
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  Speaker 2: can sidestep it, you can build blocks in between, but
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  Speaker 2: it adds complexity on the engineering front.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Has Polygon reached out to you guys about this?
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  Speaker 4: No, No, not yet. I mean we come from Polygon.
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  Speaker 3: I know, we are using a lot of the technology
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  Speaker 3: that we start building in Polygon. We actually we just
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  Speaker 3: spin out and we left Polygon like a year ago.
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  Speaker 3: We are just taking the technology that we're starting there
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  Speaker 3: and putting out the service to Ethereum to build this
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  Speaker 3: this this protocol.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so Polygon I think it would be a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Why not look at maybe something like just onboarding poly market.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Probably, I mean this is a very new thing and
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  Speaker 3: probably I'm sure that they will be they will look
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  Speaker 3: very much on that, and I'm sure were that at
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  Speaker 3: some point they will they will come.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's just very early.
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  Speaker 1: Let's move on to another question we had, and this
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  Speaker 1: was in reference to private bank Canton specifically, what about
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  Speaker 1: that could could that participate in this?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Easy?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitively. I mean this is the interesting thing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean this, this or these private chains, they can
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  Speaker 3: interact directly with.
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  Speaker 4: Ethereum, following their own.
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  Speaker 3: Rules, of course, following the rules of the different chains,
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  Speaker 3: but they can they can connect, and they can connect
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  Speaker 3: in a native way, in an Ethereum native.
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  Speaker 4: Way, so they can restive course, they can make all
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  Speaker 4: swater Chaine.
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  Speaker 3: So that's I think these are ones of the ones
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  Speaker 3: that will benefit a lot from this compossibility.
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  Speaker 1: Frederick, what about the timeline here? How long do you
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  Speaker 1: think we'll start seeing real use cases launching on this.
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  Speaker 2: There's going to be a public definite very soon, within
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  Speaker 2: a matter of weeks, and Maynard is going to be
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  Speaker 2: out there, so it's it's happening soon. And because it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't require any protocol changes to a one, we are
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  Speaker 2: also pretty free in building this.
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  Speaker 5: They are no constraints as a developer Jordy Howell, Glomsterdam
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  Speaker 5: or go to in terms of next upgrades for the
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  Speaker 5: theoryum affect you this particular platform in the future.
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually not very much, except that, of course, if
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  Speaker 3: you have more of that availability then you will get
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  Speaker 3: more you will get more block space, so the layers,
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  Speaker 3: but the idea is that all these it does not
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  Speaker 3: require any does not require any hardwork.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, all these can be built today.
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  Speaker 3: You can't recall, so there is no dependency on ethereum
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  Speaker 3: to build easy. I expect that in the future maybe
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  Speaker 3: Ethereum will add some some forks, some modifications that may
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  Speaker 3: help here, but definitely this is not required to starting
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  Speaker 3: to start connecting the chains today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some breaking news out there on cow
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  Speaker 1: swap and they were experiencing an issue with the front end.
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  Speaker 1: They're investigating it, but right now they're saying not to
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  Speaker 1: use it. But when you look at what's happening there,
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  Speaker 1: how can we end these kinds of exploits? What would
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  Speaker 1: be the solution here either one.
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  Speaker 2: To be that's yeah, So kind of it's all very fresh.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like there was the front end was compromised,
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  Speaker 2: so we're still investigating the situation. I think the attack
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  Speaker 2: surface has gotten a lot larger with AI, so kind
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  Speaker 2: of it just becomes much easier to kind of surf
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  Speaker 2: as potential vulnerabilities. And yeah, as an ecosystem, this is
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  Speaker 2: something to be reckoned with. Obviously, having this permissionless settlement
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  Speaker 2: is it's a double edged suit. And I think it's
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  Speaker 2: something we have to acknowledge, and I think it's something
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  Speaker 2: we have to mitigate as an ecosystem well, and.
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  Speaker 1: For many of these platforms, they have to be ready for,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this kind of advancement, because this obviously is
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  Speaker 1: going to create a new vector that I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people need to be aware of.
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  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 3: The problem in a lot of these times is the
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  Speaker 3: centralization part user interface. I mean this the UI a
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  Speaker 3: lot of times is running in a centralized server and
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  Speaker 3: it can be attacked relatively easy. So here the importance
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  Speaker 3: of making the things this centralize.
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  Speaker 4: This is the idea of the smart contracts.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, we have seen some attacks to a smart contract,
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  Speaker 3: but they were just that there were some bags in
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  Speaker 3: the smart constructs. Once you get a smart contract that's correct,
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  Speaker 3: and you can maybe formally verify that's correct, or have
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  Speaker 3: some warranties that's correct, then the system is very vulnderable.
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  Speaker 4: It's very difficult to attack.
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  Speaker 3: I mean all the attacks we see some good smart
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  Speaker 3: contracts that we know that are working well. Most of
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  Speaker 3: the attacks they don't come from the decentralized party. They
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  Speaker 3: used to come from the center particles. So it's easier
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  Speaker 3: to attack a server running in a lust exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, and I think the fact that we
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  Speaker 1: start to minimize, you know, where attacks could happen, which
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  Speaker 1: has been mostly at the bridge level that we've seen
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  Speaker 1: over the years in crypto, this of course starts to
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  Speaker 1: solve that. Jordi and Fredrik, it has been great having
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  Speaker 1: you on the show. We're going to continue to monitor
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  Speaker 1: this situation obviously as you guys get more advanced and
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  Speaker 1: we see more stuff coming out of ethereum as in
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  Speaker 1: terms of advancement. So thanks for coming in today. I
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